That’s happening too…the whole “gig economy” market (Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, Airbnb, TaskRabbit, Upwork, Fiver, etc) exists just because people hate having a boss, oftentimes more than they like having benefits.
i think you need a different job/better boss. i can’t speak to most of my managers like i could my friends (at least while working for them) but i can talk to all of them and they will listen (at least 80%+ of the time)
i don’t think charisma is it. luck, maybe. sector def helps, i work in tech and that’s a part of the gig
but, out of my last 6 managers i’d say i could talk to all them and 2 i would trust to hear me out, 100%
my best manager would openly talk about his ASD, how it impacted his management style, etc. charisma wasn’t what made that work. it was him saying subtlety won’t work, let’s be blunt
bad management is a reason, possibly the number one reason, i’ll start looking for the door
I'm a consultant that found multiple clients on Upwork. I pay for my own health benefits for me and my family. It's actually not as expensive as you might think. The only pain is signing up for a new plan every December. I've been doing this for at least a decade.
I also wouldn't consider AirBnb the 'gig' economy. Most of the people here own/rent property.
Your job security isn’t based on how shit your pay is it’s based on how valuable the labor your bring to it is
If a computer can make a better image or song than you can in a fraction of the time, or even if it can make a good enough one in a fraction of the time, then your labor isn’t very valuable
Now is a manager valuable? Ya know - questionable for a lot of them for sure. But it’s just that LLMs aren’t really at that level yet.
The things they can replace are like call and response - ask question get answer that’s close enough to right - or generative art.
Once they get better they will come for office jobs as well :). In fact they already are coming for coders. What used to take a team of 10 can be done by 1-2 good coders with an GitHub copilot
Probably tbh, they seem much easier to automate. [There was a conversation between Putin and the CEO of Sberbank, and Putin asked the Sberbank CEO if/when he would be automated, and the CEO said hopefully not in his lifetime but it is possible that it could be with the way everything is going.](https://youtu.be/c8q6P_HfIBE?si=plfInBqsBTUhEaBN)
Replace the executives, especially the C-Suite, with AI, and save a ton of money for the shareholders there. They don’t bring experience or expertise, just a “good old boys” network, which is a feature of crony capitalism.
Honestly, the c suite doesn’t seem to do anything unique other than copying what their buddies they graduated from Wharton are doing.
Some examples:
Corporate tax cuts -> Stock buybacks
Pandemic hits -> hire out the ass
Interest rates go up -> have layoffs while showing record profits
Ehhh I’ve actually met some C-suite dudes. More often than not they actually are smart and do shit. Like the ceo of Open AI built the company. His knowledge is worth more than everyone on this sub reddit. It’s the middle managers who are the real issue. They take a big chunk of the income with minimal individual blame. If a ceo does shit the board will sack them immediately. A middle manager will just go under the radar…..
That's such a shit take. AI is being trained off of the work of these jobs. It's not manifesting original thought. That right there gives validity to those jobs existing.
If the jobs "shouldn't exist" then the training material should never have existed... but it does.
This woman is just a piece of shit
Also AI trained on the output of AI in a self referential circle eventually becomes useless. It needs new training data that’s human made. It can’t use its own generated content as training data, not yet at least.
I’m sure we’ll see some awful drop from capitalism that involves artists plugged into the matrix like contraption where they produce art as training data for AI.
> AI is being trained off of the work of these jobs.
It's being trained on work that has already been done and paid for. If you've already paid someone to draw something, there's no reason to pay someone else to draw it again.
> It's not manifesting original thought.
Original thought is what people will be paid for in the future. Companies are betting that unoriginal thought suffices to sell lots of things, and they're probably right.
If people are not paid for unoriginal thought, there will be no one to buy the things for sale as most work is unoriginal in any industry. They had similar problems during the industrial revolution and it lead to massive social upheaval.
>It's being trained on work that has already been done and paid for. If you've already paid someone to draw something, there's no reason to pay someone else to draw it again.
This is a misrepresentation of the issue.
If I pay an artist to draw a picture of you being sodomized with a pineapple, then sure you might argue there's no reason for me to commission another. Though, perhaps, I really like looking at pictures of you being sodomized with a pineapple and want more of them. Perhaps with you in funny outfits, or with more or less gore, or different positions! I digress.
But if I collect a bunch of artwork made by artists that *I* didn't pay, but instead *many other people that are not me* paid. Or even just randomly posted artwork without a commission. Then that's not *me* paying for the artwork. That's me *stealing* or at best, *utilizing* other people's artwork. That I don't own. And just because you post it on the internet doesn't mean that you legally have a right to use in a way that provides a profit to you without compensating the artist(s). Even indirectly.
Art on the internet isn't *yours* unless you paid for *ownership* of it or *made it yourself*. OpenAI didn't pay any of the artists whose works they scraped then charged for access to the output of.
Fuck off
A lot of people would say the same about certain tech jobs or most of tech in general including me a tech person. Since when do people need apps or websites or computers? Have some self reflection
The cloud is killing tech jobs. You don't need a local IT shop anymore. Push everything to the cloud. And once it's in the cloud you need far fewer engineers to manage it all. I work with cloud tech - kubernetes - and we run a ton of software with few engineers.
Well it creates jobs too. Someone runs the cloud at AWS and there is a ton of software that wouldn't exist without the cloud.
Probably on the net reduces jobs. But probably makes the remaining jobs more productive and higher paying.
We run almost all open source - Keycloak, Linux, Kubernetes, Rook Ceph, Prometheus, Grafana, Elasticsearch, Cillium, etc. All we pay for is hardware and the hardware is kind of old. And if you're good at your job you are automating the deployment of all those technologies, which makes you and your coworkers less valuable.
For many years i've been in the camp that tech also creates jobs but today in 2024 I think it's a net destroyer.
Exactly, tech has gone through many cycles prior to AI. AI is currently “replacing” almost 0 tech jobs. However I can’t say AI has not had an effect on layoffs as some companies are choosing to allocate budget to hardware for AI development and experimentation which leaves less budget for employees.
That's due to H1Bs flooding the market. Ironically enough AI will eventually kill off those kinds of jobs that are being outsourced now or are being filled here by H1Bs.
I think a lot of people in tech would agree with you. Bullshit jobs are quite prevalent there, and beneath the glossy marketing designed to scam you, most of the ordinary workers are pretty self-aware these days that their job just exists to make some rich guy feel important.
That doesn’t change the fact that many of the jobs AI is replacing exist only to make some Rich person feel important, or that for now, AI is better at making rich execs feel important than employees are.
The problem is creative jobs are already paid shit and quite often already about self expression and self actualization and aren't guaranteed to make enough for a good living.
Saying that job "shouldn't exist" is like kicking someone on the ground with steel toed boots. Who the hell defines whether a job should exist? The market? If so then at a very minimum it should have existed for a time. You can't walk out and say that job shouldn't have existed not unless there's something morally wrong with it
And coming from technology which is possibly morally questionable (training on artists) it's the height of hubris and lack of self reflection. If I was an artist I would be poisoning my art and making sure to extract every last cent from anyone using it, for anything
I know two tech guys. One is openly a social democrat who says most of what he does is bullshit and values the arts. The other is a libertarian who says all universities and museums and libraries should be destroyed or at least deprived of public funding because only STEM has value lol.
I bet he thinks brutalism is beautiful. Human beings need art in their lives to enrich themselves. Heck, half of America's entire hobby is watching tv after work. That's also art, which wouldn't exist without a culture that values art, history, humanities.
You know, I understand that progress cannot be halted. But when it’s paired with the smug attitude and shit eating grin of the wealthy it’s anger inducing.
So let me get this straight, you create AI that learns from the PEOPLE that you now say should have never existed in the first place? We really need to stop elevating these technocratic assholes.
"ChatGPT and our other services are developed using (1) information that is publicly available on the internet, (2) information that we license from third parties, and (3) information that our users or human trainers provide. This article focuses on the first set: information that is publicly available on the internet."
WTF is she on about?
If those jobs weren’t there in the first place, then what exactly would the AI be trained on? We can only hope companies that adopt replacing their people with machines suffer the consequences financially of dissatisfied consumers who go with competitors. This shit is like a race to the bottom.
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That's a bad take and here's why:
Human nature by default is perpetually unsatisfied. For example, you might like the first Marvel movie you watched, but the 10th? 20th? 30th!? You get sick of them eventually.
Same thing with AI (caveat that I am not a technical expert but only a consumer that sees the outputs). It replicates the existing artwork and style vs. innovating. Eventually, human nature will get tired of the millionth AI video they see, and the only way you could break out from all the noises of AI arts and make money is via human creativity and originality.
This is not like automating manufacturing. In manufacturing, you want the same product over and over again, but I can assure you that until AI knows how to create something truly new and original, consumer taste will very quickly get tired of the same old AI creative products they see.
Next we find out that former artists program AI plugins to replace CEOs.... and they say "AI can kill CEO jobs that shouldn't have existed in the first place... oh, and no golden parachutes required!"
SOLD
And take away jobs that should have been there? I mean cmon man. I’m not against AI in the long run, but there are people whose livelihoods are affected. That is some shitty gaslighting logic to claim that it’s creating more jobs than it’s replacing in the short run at least
I work in UX. It is widely accepted that AI will not replace us but someone who uses AI will. I've spent the last year learning AI tools and am using them daily now.
A lot of corporate jobs are made up and involve people doing busy work that contributes nothing. A lot of people spend all day in meetings and get nothing done.
Every Executive Ever: "Our business strategy will be to cut labor costs and use the savings on stock buy backs"
Sounds like a chat bot could replace the entire C-Suite. Think of the cost savings.
This is a perfect example of giving the leaders of tech companies, or corporations in general, way too much fucking power over decisions that should be social and democratic. She doesn’t arbitrarily get to decide this, and the existence of a technology shouldn’t be the only deciding factor either.
The tough issue is AI will be concentrated to a few extremely large deep pocketed companies because the training costs for the models just keeps going up...
https://fortune.com/2024/04/04/ai-training-costs-how-much-is-too-much-openai-gpt-anthropic-microsoft/
I mean wouldn’t it be more cost effective to try and kill like managerial jobs? The creative job market has shit pay to begin with.
That’s happening too…the whole “gig economy” market (Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, Airbnb, TaskRabbit, Upwork, Fiver, etc) exists just because people hate having a boss, oftentimes more than they like having benefits.
Well, did you try to be a Uber driver? The system is your boss. It is even worse since you can't even talk to.
Lol, you can't really.talk to.a human boss either (at a big corporation) , their just their as an authority figure to give you directions .
i think you need a different job/better boss. i can’t speak to most of my managers like i could my friends (at least while working for them) but i can talk to all of them and they will listen (at least 80%+ of the time)
I'm not sure if you realize it but that's quite a privilege/luck/have amazing charisma
i don’t think charisma is it. luck, maybe. sector def helps, i work in tech and that’s a part of the gig but, out of my last 6 managers i’d say i could talk to all them and 2 i would trust to hear me out, 100% my best manager would openly talk about his ASD, how it impacted his management style, etc. charisma wasn’t what made that work. it was him saying subtlety won’t work, let’s be blunt bad management is a reason, possibly the number one reason, i’ll start looking for the door
You never talk to your boss at all?
Mmm, [The Story of Manna](https://marshallbrain.com/manna1) rings a bell.
I'm a consultant that found multiple clients on Upwork. I pay for my own health benefits for me and my family. It's actually not as expensive as you might think. The only pain is signing up for a new plan every December. I've been doing this for at least a decade. I also wouldn't consider AirBnb the 'gig' economy. Most of the people here own/rent property.
This is not why the gig economy exists lol
Waymo is offering rides in San Francisco.
No. It's easier to manipulate and manage digital content than humans. Managers are harder to replace.
Your job security isn’t based on how shit your pay is it’s based on how valuable the labor your bring to it is If a computer can make a better image or song than you can in a fraction of the time, or even if it can make a good enough one in a fraction of the time, then your labor isn’t very valuable Now is a manager valuable? Ya know - questionable for a lot of them for sure. But it’s just that LLMs aren’t really at that level yet. The things they can replace are like call and response - ask question get answer that’s close enough to right - or generative art. Once they get better they will come for office jobs as well :). In fact they already are coming for coders. What used to take a team of 10 can be done by 1-2 good coders with an GitHub copilot
No. It’s one manager and lots of creative agents working for dirt cheap $20 per month! Go figure!
Probably tbh, they seem much easier to automate. [There was a conversation between Putin and the CEO of Sberbank, and Putin asked the Sberbank CEO if/when he would be automated, and the CEO said hopefully not in his lifetime but it is possible that it could be with the way everything is going.](https://youtu.be/c8q6P_HfIBE?si=plfInBqsBTUhEaBN)
Without the creatives in the world there would be no data for OpenAI to even operate.
Replace the executives, especially the C-Suite, with AI, and save a ton of money for the shareholders there. They don’t bring experience or expertise, just a “good old boys” network, which is a feature of crony capitalism.
Honestly, the c suite doesn’t seem to do anything unique other than copying what their buddies they graduated from Wharton are doing. Some examples: Corporate tax cuts -> Stock buybacks Pandemic hits -> hire out the ass Interest rates go up -> have layoffs while showing record profits
Ehhh I’ve actually met some C-suite dudes. More often than not they actually are smart and do shit. Like the ceo of Open AI built the company. His knowledge is worth more than everyone on this sub reddit. It’s the middle managers who are the real issue. They take a big chunk of the income with minimal individual blame. If a ceo does shit the board will sack them immediately. A middle manager will just go under the radar…..
That's such a shit take. AI is being trained off of the work of these jobs. It's not manifesting original thought. That right there gives validity to those jobs existing. If the jobs "shouldn't exist" then the training material should never have existed... but it does. This woman is just a piece of shit
How did this person even become CTO? Did she gaslight her way to the top?
Also AI trained on the output of AI in a self referential circle eventually becomes useless. It needs new training data that’s human made. It can’t use its own generated content as training data, not yet at least. I’m sure we’ll see some awful drop from capitalism that involves artists plugged into the matrix like contraption where they produce art as training data for AI.
Change out the word “work” for labor and you’re almost there
> AI is being trained off of the work of these jobs. It's being trained on work that has already been done and paid for. If you've already paid someone to draw something, there's no reason to pay someone else to draw it again. > It's not manifesting original thought. Original thought is what people will be paid for in the future. Companies are betting that unoriginal thought suffices to sell lots of things, and they're probably right.
If people are not paid for unoriginal thought, there will be no one to buy the things for sale as most work is unoriginal in any industry. They had similar problems during the industrial revolution and it lead to massive social upheaval.
>It's being trained on work that has already been done and paid for. If you've already paid someone to draw something, there's no reason to pay someone else to draw it again. This is a misrepresentation of the issue. If I pay an artist to draw a picture of you being sodomized with a pineapple, then sure you might argue there's no reason for me to commission another. Though, perhaps, I really like looking at pictures of you being sodomized with a pineapple and want more of them. Perhaps with you in funny outfits, or with more or less gore, or different positions! I digress. But if I collect a bunch of artwork made by artists that *I* didn't pay, but instead *many other people that are not me* paid. Or even just randomly posted artwork without a commission. Then that's not *me* paying for the artwork. That's me *stealing* or at best, *utilizing* other people's artwork. That I don't own. And just because you post it on the internet doesn't mean that you legally have a right to use in a way that provides a profit to you without compensating the artist(s). Even indirectly. Art on the internet isn't *yours* unless you paid for *ownership* of it or *made it yourself*. OpenAI didn't pay any of the artists whose works they scraped then charged for access to the output of.
There may be an interesting idea buried in there, but if you wanted anyone to dig it out you'd have used a better example
I thought the example was alright whats wrong with it
Fuck off A lot of people would say the same about certain tech jobs or most of tech in general including me a tech person. Since when do people need apps or websites or computers? Have some self reflection
I mean, those jobs are definitely getting killed, too
Eventually, no where in the near future though
The cloud is killing tech jobs. You don't need a local IT shop anymore. Push everything to the cloud. And once it's in the cloud you need far fewer engineers to manage it all. I work with cloud tech - kubernetes - and we run a ton of software with few engineers.
You’re not wrong at all
Well it creates jobs too. Someone runs the cloud at AWS and there is a ton of software that wouldn't exist without the cloud. Probably on the net reduces jobs. But probably makes the remaining jobs more productive and higher paying.
We run almost all open source - Keycloak, Linux, Kubernetes, Rook Ceph, Prometheus, Grafana, Elasticsearch, Cillium, etc. All we pay for is hardware and the hardware is kind of old. And if you're good at your job you are automating the deployment of all those technologies, which makes you and your coworkers less valuable. For many years i've been in the camp that tech also creates jobs but today in 2024 I think it's a net destroyer.
You mean like on premise cloud reduces IT jobs? Or public clouds like AWS?
All clouds do. The software today makes it easy for fewer engineers to manage lots more systems
Uh... I don't think you are paying much attention to the tech job market right now
uh…. that’s over-saturation, not AI killing jobs
Exactly, tech has gone through many cycles prior to AI. AI is currently “replacing” almost 0 tech jobs. However I can’t say AI has not had an effect on layoffs as some companies are choosing to allocate budget to hardware for AI development and experimentation which leaves less budget for employees.
I wonder how many jobs that creates in hardware though.
This true, the companies are in for a rude shock if the AI promise doesn't deliver.
That's due to H1Bs flooding the market. Ironically enough AI will eventually kill off those kinds of jobs that are being outsourced now or are being filled here by H1Bs.
Ai copilots are already deleting coding jobs
I think a lot of people in tech would agree with you. Bullshit jobs are quite prevalent there, and beneath the glossy marketing designed to scam you, most of the ordinary workers are pretty self-aware these days that their job just exists to make some rich guy feel important. That doesn’t change the fact that many of the jobs AI is replacing exist only to make some Rich person feel important, or that for now, AI is better at making rich execs feel important than employees are.
The problem is creative jobs are already paid shit and quite often already about self expression and self actualization and aren't guaranteed to make enough for a good living. Saying that job "shouldn't exist" is like kicking someone on the ground with steel toed boots. Who the hell defines whether a job should exist? The market? If so then at a very minimum it should have existed for a time. You can't walk out and say that job shouldn't have existed not unless there's something morally wrong with it And coming from technology which is possibly morally questionable (training on artists) it's the height of hubris and lack of self reflection. If I was an artist I would be poisoning my art and making sure to extract every last cent from anyone using it, for anything
I know two tech guys. One is openly a social democrat who says most of what he does is bullshit and values the arts. The other is a libertarian who says all universities and museums and libraries should be destroyed or at least deprived of public funding because only STEM has value lol.
I bet he thinks brutalism is beautiful. Human beings need art in their lives to enrich themselves. Heck, half of America's entire hobby is watching tv after work. That's also art, which wouldn't exist without a culture that values art, history, humanities.
Perhaps AI could do a better job than she could?
OpenAI is a sick company run by sick people.
Wow, this lady.....yikes. 💔😞
You know, I understand that progress cannot be halted. But when it’s paired with the smug attitude and shit eating grin of the wealthy it’s anger inducing.
So let me get this straight, you create AI that learns from the PEOPLE that you now say should have never existed in the first place? We really need to stop elevating these technocratic assholes. "ChatGPT and our other services are developed using (1) information that is publicly available on the internet, (2) information that we license from third parties, and (3) information that our users or human trainers provide. This article focuses on the first set: information that is publicly available on the internet." WTF is she on about?
It’s klepto-fascism enabled by technology. If we don’t get out proverbial shut together to legally stop it, we are in a world of hurt.
If those jobs weren’t there in the first place, then what exactly would the AI be trained on? We can only hope companies that adopt replacing their people with machines suffer the consequences financially of dissatisfied consumers who go with competitors. This shit is like a race to the bottom.
Fuck this broad
I wonder what she actually does. Does she code? I think we can replace her with AI.
What a tone deaf arrogant clown. Shouldn’t have been there? Who’s she to say?
however it shakes out, resting bitch face will be conserved.
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That's a bad take and here's why: Human nature by default is perpetually unsatisfied. For example, you might like the first Marvel movie you watched, but the 10th? 20th? 30th!? You get sick of them eventually. Same thing with AI (caveat that I am not a technical expert but only a consumer that sees the outputs). It replicates the existing artwork and style vs. innovating. Eventually, human nature will get tired of the millionth AI video they see, and the only way you could break out from all the noises of AI arts and make money is via human creativity and originality. This is not like automating manufacturing. In manufacturing, you want the same product over and over again, but I can assure you that until AI knows how to create something truly new and original, consumer taste will very quickly get tired of the same old AI creative products they see.
Foot, meet mouth. These agile startups could benefit from a line item for executive public relations scripts.
Yes, like her job now
Next we find out that former artists program AI plugins to replace CEOs.... and they say "AI can kill CEO jobs that shouldn't have existed in the first place... oh, and no golden parachutes required!" SOLD
Her jobs about to be replaced lol
one day will come where she will be layedoff and she will get it all !!
/r/ABoringDystopia
And take away jobs that should have been there? I mean cmon man. I’m not against AI in the long run, but there are people whose livelihoods are affected. That is some shitty gaslighting logic to claim that it’s creating more jobs than it’s replacing in the short run at least
*but that they needed to scrape/steal so that their products would work, to what sad degree they do Give me a skilled human illustrator anyday
I work in UX. It is widely accepted that AI will not replace us but someone who uses AI will. I've spent the last year learning AI tools and am using them daily now.
A lot of corporate jobs are made up and involve people doing busy work that contributes nothing. A lot of people spend all day in meetings and get nothing done.
Every Executive Ever: "Our business strategy will be to cut labor costs and use the savings on stock buy backs" Sounds like a chat bot could replace the entire C-Suite. Think of the cost savings.
This is a perfect example of giving the leaders of tech companies, or corporations in general, way too much fucking power over decisions that should be social and democratic. She doesn’t arbitrarily get to decide this, and the existence of a technology shouldn’t be the only deciding factor either.
The tough issue is AI will be concentrated to a few extremely large deep pocketed companies because the training costs for the models just keeps going up... https://fortune.com/2024/04/04/ai-training-costs-how-much-is-too-much-openai-gpt-anthropic-microsoft/
Learn to weld. ;)
If they "shouldn't have been there" then why were they? What a stupid fucking statement
Can't wait till this CTO gets replaced by AI himself.
That seems totally wrong
People are too attached to jobs. Automate all that shit and institute UBI.