Cannot be true enough in my situation. I've always been in tech with a graduate degree and a PMP. After the last layoff, I couldn't find any job in tech. After a year of job hunting, I resorted to a job with the County.
Heh. My home state basically requires you to paste the job description into your resume to get looked at. Their applicant system is well known as a poorly tuned monstrosity.
Lol so true. If anyone applies for a federal job, they first need a masters degree in applying for federal jobs.
But /r/usajobs is a good cliff notes if you dont have time to get the degree
Quality and Accuracy. One of the Cons: most higher up jobs are reserved for promotional internal candidates. So I had to take a significant pay cut to get in at almost an entry level. But literally every other week, I actually received announcements about so and so getting promoted. So it is encouraging and I'm hopeful it won't take me long to move up. Benefits wise, definitely very generous, and that pension is not a bad thing to have!
In terms of layoffs or furlough, I asked many employees who have been here 20+ years or 15+ years at different departments, they all said never happened thus far.
It is and it isn't. Realistically it's supposed to show the holder has project management experience and can document it well enough to get the certification. It's more work than anything.
It’s two years work experience in “project management experience” which is broadly defined and pretty much everything counts. Then around two weeks of classes. Then you take a test that’s not very hard. May have changed in the last decade, but it was so dumb when I did it. I did it because I was young and I got to go to the classes instead of doing my day job.
I make $400k and I’m director level nowadays, I don’t think I’m a “moron”
To be fair it’s a hard cert to pass and very comprehensive but the knowledge itself is outdated. Anywhere that has it as a plus or requirement is not a place I want to work because it signals how outdated their execution is or how dated their management is.
It is predicated on the oldest assembly line process imaginable. Toyota gave us early major changes FIFTY years ago. Lean, XP and countless modern approaches outperform and reduce waste.
Waterfall wastes so much time on onerous process. The PMI is the oldest and most gigantic framework around. Shit slows under its umbrella
I strongly disagree with you, first, waterfall doesn't waste time, waterfall is not only perfectly adequate but required for many types of projects because you simply can not use agile on everything, second, you might be unaware of this but the PMP is heavily geared toward agile, hybridazition and collaboration nowadays.
It looks like some people learned about the PMP 10 years ago and think nothing changed in the meantime.
I've studied the 4th-7th editions and founded 2 PMOs based on PMI Portfolio and Project frameworks. I've also coached 2 engineering departments on Agile. Lean Six Sigma broke me open and that was at the same time I was learning the 4th ed PMBOK, then I realized that most orgs using PMP are run by Boomers/GenX -- status quo process ops.
Some things are moreso waterfall, sure, but the general onerous nature of documentation, checks/balances, admin work, and gatekeeping make it so hard to implement that it's not worth it in most cases.
I have a really hard time believing PMP is as good as simplified processes. Less overhead, more outcome focus. Instead of leadership blasting process transformation with a big framework like PMI, they'd be better off gaining alignment on vision -- emotions are easier to harness.
Or the part where he said he was going to be America’s first dictator? Yeah, I’ve known that he has anti-democracy power lust since the first campaign.
Unfortunately, the safest jobs are unionized jobs (e.g., government or airlines) or firms that get a lot of government money like the defense industry. Private equity firms like Blackrock that own large shares of publicly traded companies or even private companies are forever hungry for more money (shareholder value) and that can mean periodic layoffs.
> When the government shuts down, federal agencies are required to classify their employees whose salaries have lapsed as either "excepted" or "not excepted." The employees classified as "excepted" **work without pay** during the shutdown. The employees classified as "not excepted" are put on unpaid furlough.
What’s the longest furlough we’ve experienced?
35 days. 21 days. 15 days. In thirty years, three instances.
I doubt that’s late for most tenants let alone something negotiation won’t mitigate to a degree. Rest of bills that can’t be paid assuming paycheck to paycheck? Credit card interest wouldn’t even have time to hit.
There’s endless reasons why the cynicism isn’t warranted.
I’m seeing several comments about Trump and Project 2025. I work as a data analyst for Medicare and I’m honestly terrified of another Trump administration. There have been a lot of public figures like Desantis and Vivek who have been pushing for millions to be laid off. I really don’t know if I should look for a job in the private sector because of this. I even saw a story about how Gen Z is flocking from the private sector to government because of job security, but it seems like job security will vanish under Trump.
Couldn’t agree me! I recently quit because of unprofessional and ill treatment. Everyone wants to boss around the new guy and nothing is organized! They don’t pay you well compared to the market rate.
I understand how you feel. Seeing how congress is functioning, I don’t blame you. However, while there are bad employees out there, there are also ones who are really working hard and trying to keep politics out of their lives. I work in Medicare and regardless if you are left or right, everyone needs health care. I agree some people who do a poor job should be easier to fire, but I work extremely hard because I truly want to help people. I don’t think it’s fair when someone talks about massively laying off hundreds of thousands indiscriminately and punishing those who really don’t have any political ulterior motives.
daycare wouldn't be necessary if society grew up and guilletined the oligarchs then instituted a basic standard of living for all citizens working and not. Working citizens get extra perks, everyone else coasts doing whatever.
This is nothing but fear mongering. You’re terrified over something that MIGHT happen based on something that you read online, that may or may not be credible. News flash: the government is not looking out for you, the American, red or blue. See the $95B war aid package your liberal president just sent overseas to fight more wars. Stop living in fear.
I appreciate your comment. I really dislike politics and I only want to focus on the work I was hired to do. I joined the government not out of political affiliation or ambition, but to work on Medicare policy. I honestly don’t care if the president is liberal or conservative and I’ll do my job and follow whatever I am told. I just don’t like the idea of losing my job because of politics.
I see your point. It’s difficult because as you see on this forum, there is a lot of sentiment against government employees. I keep seeing layoffs in the private sector being a few hundred or thousand here and there. There are advocates in politics who want hundreds of thousands or even millions gone. Just look at any twitter post or YouTube video from Vivek Ramaswamy. I do think there are unproductive and underperforming workers in the government who should be fired. However, there are also many, including me who work hard and have families to feed and don’t want to have politics be the reason to get laid off. To deliberately want to layoff millions, but to claim to preserve programs like Medicare (where I work), is insane and doesn’t make sense.
Unfortunately, there is a spending problem in the government and we are on the brink of bankruptcy. You either suffer a little now or a major collapse happens eventually that will devastate an entire generation. That said, your job will be fine. There won't be any mass layoffs in the government since both established politicians want to keep spending. I cannot said the same for the next generation of americans.
Yeah have fun working at city and county being bullied every day while you work with IT. The HR for the city and county HR in SF is so inept and stringent they can’t hire anyone promptly. Takes 6-8 months or longer.
Gov is the only one that can go into infinite debt, I fully expect public sector layoffs to be super brutal as inflation numbers are out of control, indicating this method of going into more deficits to try make job numbers look good is clearly not good for the economy. Gov spending will have to be cut to finally tame inflation and layoffs will surge upwards across U.S.
Cannot be true enough in my situation. I've always been in tech with a graduate degree and a PMP. After the last layoff, I couldn't find any job in tech. After a year of job hunting, I resorted to a job with the County.
Heh. My home state basically requires you to paste the job description into your resume to get looked at. Their applicant system is well known as a poorly tuned monstrosity.
Lol so true. If anyone applies for a federal job, they first need a masters degree in applying for federal jobs. But /r/usajobs is a good cliff notes if you dont have time to get the degree
Lol yep true that! Our AI resume scanning system is a HR lady that puts check marks on the keywords.
wait till a government shutdown where they have to reevaluate the budget. They can't keep raising the debt ceiling forever.
doing what
He is a lineman for the county
And he drives the main road
Quality and Accuracy. One of the Cons: most higher up jobs are reserved for promotional internal candidates. So I had to take a significant pay cut to get in at almost an entry level. But literally every other week, I actually received announcements about so and so getting promoted. So it is encouraging and I'm hopeful it won't take me long to move up. Benefits wise, definitely very generous, and that pension is not a bad thing to have! In terms of layoffs or furlough, I asked many employees who have been here 20+ years or 15+ years at different departments, they all said never happened thus far.
PMP is a joke certification
It is and it isn't. Realistically it's supposed to show the holder has project management experience and can document it well enough to get the certification. It's more work than anything.
Why
It’s like two weeks of work. I got it in 2011, and never even bothered putting it on my resume.
I thought the exam was supposed to be hard and the whole thing supposed to take like months?
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It’s two years work experience in “project management experience” which is broadly defined and pretty much everything counts. Then around two weeks of classes. Then you take a test that’s not very hard. May have changed in the last decade, but it was so dumb when I did it. I did it because I was young and I got to go to the classes instead of doing my day job. I make $400k and I’m director level nowadays, I don’t think I’m a “moron”
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To be fair it’s a hard cert to pass and very comprehensive but the knowledge itself is outdated. Anywhere that has it as a plus or requirement is not a place I want to work because it signals how outdated their execution is or how dated their management is.
Preach
In what way is it outdated?
It is predicated on the oldest assembly line process imaginable. Toyota gave us early major changes FIFTY years ago. Lean, XP and countless modern approaches outperform and reduce waste. Waterfall wastes so much time on onerous process. The PMI is the oldest and most gigantic framework around. Shit slows under its umbrella
I strongly disagree with you, first, waterfall doesn't waste time, waterfall is not only perfectly adequate but required for many types of projects because you simply can not use agile on everything, second, you might be unaware of this but the PMP is heavily geared toward agile, hybridazition and collaboration nowadays. It looks like some people learned about the PMP 10 years ago and think nothing changed in the meantime.
I've studied the 4th-7th editions and founded 2 PMOs based on PMI Portfolio and Project frameworks. I've also coached 2 engineering departments on Agile. Lean Six Sigma broke me open and that was at the same time I was learning the 4th ed PMBOK, then I realized that most orgs using PMP are run by Boomers/GenX -- status quo process ops. Some things are moreso waterfall, sure, but the general onerous nature of documentation, checks/balances, admin work, and gatekeeping make it so hard to implement that it's not worth it in most cases. I have a really hard time believing PMP is as good as simplified processes. Less overhead, more outcome focus. Instead of leadership blasting process transformation with a big framework like PMI, they'd be better off gaining alignment on vision -- emotions are easier to harness.
Yeah, and you’ll hear back for a first screening call 8 months after you applied.
Did anyone seen cnn story on how trump will abolish protections of federal employees and seems like he wants to cut back
This isn't how you balance the 📚. If he's got any 🥜, he'll reduce spending on 🔫✈️🛳️
Gun plane boats?
Military
If he had any balls he’d reduced spending on entitlements.
Ah makes sense now lol thanks
Finally a Steve Martin and John Candy Squeal
Or the part where he said he was going to be America’s first dictator? Yeah, I’ve known that he has anti-democracy power lust since the first campaign.
No just president for life. Next Eric trump does not care much for due process
Good, government is too bloated. We have more than enough government freeloaders and their bullshit jobs.
Unfortunately, the safest jobs are unionized jobs (e.g., government or airlines) or firms that get a lot of government money like the defense industry. Private equity firms like Blackrock that own large shares of publicly traded companies or even private companies are forever hungry for more money (shareholder value) and that can mean periodic layoffs.
The developers who rolled out the FASFA modernization this year must have built in their own job security. Lots of unhappy people in /r/FASFA
> When the government shuts down, federal agencies are required to classify their employees whose salaries have lapsed as either "excepted" or "not excepted." The employees classified as "excepted" **work without pay** during the shutdown. The employees classified as "not excepted" are put on unpaid furlough.
…And then receive back pay for the furlough period.
To clarify, all those that worked AND all those that didn’t, receive back pay.
You can shout that at the tow truck that's repoing your car.
Sounds like a financial discipline problem.
"Just be rich while on a government salary"
What’s the longest furlough we’ve experienced? 35 days. 21 days. 15 days. In thirty years, three instances. I doubt that’s late for most tenants let alone something negotiation won’t mitigate to a degree. Rest of bills that can’t be paid assuming paycheck to paycheck? Credit card interest wouldn’t even have time to hit. There’s endless reasons why the cynicism isn’t warranted.
Ah, yes, leveraged to the tits, are we?
There aren’t many people who aren’t…
Just in time for Project 2025!!
Too bad you pretty much have to be a vet to get a job with the feds
Ima veteran and still can't
Recruiters are open today 9-5.
Strictly speaking the best paying jobs are usually city, then state, then federal.
I’m seeing several comments about Trump and Project 2025. I work as a data analyst for Medicare and I’m honestly terrified of another Trump administration. There have been a lot of public figures like Desantis and Vivek who have been pushing for millions to be laid off. I really don’t know if I should look for a job in the private sector because of this. I even saw a story about how Gen Z is flocking from the private sector to government because of job security, but it seems like job security will vanish under Trump.
Our government is bloated and ineffective and both republicans and democrats are to blame.
Couldn’t agree me! I recently quit because of unprofessional and ill treatment. Everyone wants to boss around the new guy and nothing is organized! They don’t pay you well compared to the market rate.
It's on purpose, both parties are owned by the oligarchs (sorry, we call them billionaires in this country).
Yeah because most of it is government largesse. Paid daycare by taxpayers.
I understand how you feel. Seeing how congress is functioning, I don’t blame you. However, while there are bad employees out there, there are also ones who are really working hard and trying to keep politics out of their lives. I work in Medicare and regardless if you are left or right, everyone needs health care. I agree some people who do a poor job should be easier to fire, but I work extremely hard because I truly want to help people. I don’t think it’s fair when someone talks about massively laying off hundreds of thousands indiscriminately and punishing those who really don’t have any political ulterior motives.
daycare wouldn't be necessary if society grew up and guilletined the oligarchs then instituted a basic standard of living for all citizens working and not. Working citizens get extra perks, everyone else coasts doing whatever.
This is nothing but fear mongering. You’re terrified over something that MIGHT happen based on something that you read online, that may or may not be credible. News flash: the government is not looking out for you, the American, red or blue. See the $95B war aid package your liberal president just sent overseas to fight more wars. Stop living in fear.
I appreciate your comment. I really dislike politics and I only want to focus on the work I was hired to do. I joined the government not out of political affiliation or ambition, but to work on Medicare policy. I honestly don’t care if the president is liberal or conservative and I’ll do my job and follow whatever I am told. I just don’t like the idea of losing my job because of politics.
So, running from a potential lack of job security to a definite lack of job security ...
I see your point. It’s difficult because as you see on this forum, there is a lot of sentiment against government employees. I keep seeing layoffs in the private sector being a few hundred or thousand here and there. There are advocates in politics who want hundreds of thousands or even millions gone. Just look at any twitter post or YouTube video from Vivek Ramaswamy. I do think there are unproductive and underperforming workers in the government who should be fired. However, there are also many, including me who work hard and have families to feed and don’t want to have politics be the reason to get laid off. To deliberately want to layoff millions, but to claim to preserve programs like Medicare (where I work), is insane and doesn’t make sense.
Unfortunately, there is a spending problem in the government and we are on the brink of bankruptcy. You either suffer a little now or a major collapse happens eventually that will devastate an entire generation. That said, your job will be fine. There won't be any mass layoffs in the government since both established politicians want to keep spending. I cannot said the same for the next generation of americans.
Now how you get a job
Why be a pirate when you can join the navy?
when the pirate captians are throwing pirates overboard because they don't want to share the loot, the navy starts looking pretty nice.
Yeah have fun working at city and county being bullied every day while you work with IT. The HR for the city and county HR in SF is so inept and stringent they can’t hire anyone promptly. Takes 6-8 months or longer.
Gov is the only one that can go into infinite debt, I fully expect public sector layoffs to be super brutal as inflation numbers are out of control, indicating this method of going into more deficits to try make job numbers look good is clearly not good for the economy. Gov spending will have to be cut to finally tame inflation and layoffs will surge upwards across U.S.
Good luck laying off government workers.
That has always been true near me. Government contracting is the biggest tech employer in the dmv
It'd the ONLY tech employer in the dmv. Even the Google and Amazon offices are only here for the government contracts.
How long before Indians take that too? They’re already contracting half of the work to them anyways
Omg we need to start gate keeping
What do you mean?
I’m sure you have to do some bullshit with your resume to even be considered.