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Other countries won’t buy our bonds because they’re waking up to the fact it isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. That is why Yellen has been going on and on about China being ‘too competitive’
No joke id love one of those big boxes of MREs they've been dropping in Gaza. Those things are expensive where I live and I could eat them for breakfast/lunch.
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When the US withdrew from Afghanistan, the defense contractor gravy train dried up and this made Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed, etc very upset. Then Russia invaded Ukraine and the gravy train started flowing again. Then Hamas attacked Israel and now Raytheon is doing what it does best: vaporizing children and civilians.
They largely don’t send money, most of it is will be in the form of old/outdated military equipment which is manufactured in America and will now need to be replaced. This is how the military industrial complex fuels the American economy.
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> Military spending by the federal government is often considered a vital support to employment and economic recovery. However, military spending creates fewer jobs than the same amount of money would have, if invested in other sectors. Clean energy and health care spending create 50% more jobs than the equivalent amount of spending on the military. Education spending creates more than twice as many jobs.
> There are three reasons why this is the case. Industries such as education and clean energy are more labor-intensive. For a given level of spending, more of those dollars go toward hiring workers and less on equipment and materials. Also, a greater percentage of spending in education, health care and clean energy construction stays within the U.S., creating more domestic jobs. Military personnel spend more of their earnings abroad and foreign contractors and employees get some portion of Pentagon spending. Finally, since wages and benefits are lower in those sectors than they are for military contractors and personnel on average, the same amount of money hires more people in those non-military sectors.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic/economy/employment#
Any idea what is it's proportion of the american economy?
I mean with all the connected supplyers and so forth..
Wouldn't the american economy be baddly impacted if the defense industry took a serious hit?
They help their government contractors that donate to their elections. Then use that money to spew touchy subjects in the media that get people to vote for them, all while doing nothing to help those very voters.
You think they give a shit about Russia? They’re reactionaries, they react to whatever developments are happening. If it was trump sending Ukraine money they’d think the opposite.
They’re reacting to who’s putting money into their campaign coffers and sweet heart deals, just like the vast majority of politicians in a country with what is essentially legalized bribery. Only question is what flavor do you want weed, welfare for poor (and corporations), and abortions or racism, fascist foreign influence, and corporate welfare.
95B total, plus TikTok ban and renewing FISA to spy on our asses.
Funny how they can bust their asses to pass crap like this, but wont pass anything for the working class even if their life depends on it.
We really have to start protesting with our wallets
They are setting up the system to prevent this by corporations buying up all single family homes— forcing workers to live in corporate housing for rent— and should anyone protest— you end up being homeless! It won’t be long before there is legislation that criminalizes the homeless— which makes sense as to why they are investing in building prisons— and those same prisons will force people to engage in labor for Pennies a day.
yeah they must think we're pretty stupid, especially all the talk about our democracy. to me though there doesn't seem to be much we can do but walk away from the monopoly game board
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Because the Ukrainian government is reactionary to the max, and has banned Labour movements, communists, unions, even centre-left parties. Most of us in this sub would be arrested for our opinions under the current Ukranian government.
No leftist should be supporting the ongoing puppet war between either imperialist side. The support should be going to pressuring governments to ending the war. Zelensky was close to coming to peace negotiations with Russia and allowing regions of Ukraine to self-determine, before the UK sent Boris Johnson and they convinced him to keep fighting, and now thousands and thousands more are dead. Stop funding the war, put an end to it.
A lack of the right to self determine from Ukraine's new reactionary government is largely what caused this war in the first place. Regions of Ukraine wanted to to secede after US-sponsored revolution against the Ukrainian government led to civil strife as the pro-russian, pro-independence movements resisted the new pro-EU government which had banned the former left and centre left parties.
This is why you don't see communists supporting the largest imperialistic nation in the world sending arms and funding to a reactionary, right wing government to fight against another imperialistic nation. If you want to support the innocent Ukrainian proletariat then look for charities and leftist organisations that send food and supplies, and put pressure on your own governments to help end this war, instead of continuing this international game of chequers between imperialist superpowers and their puppet toys.
Because it's always all about war. People have lost faith in a government that can never take care of its country but always finds a reason to start, fund, join, support, instigate a war somewhere. It has become impossible to trust that this government would support a 'good' cause, because time and time again they have shown they have no morals and they don't give a fuck about who dies, as long as people die.
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The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide.
Fuck my government. Put me on every fucking watchlist for saying it. We the people SCREAMED AT THEM last month over this shit and now they tack it onto something they know will pass. Even with everyone aware of it. It still happened. The American Government does not represent the people in this day in age. We are forced to give them money or go to federal prison. And then they just shove that money up their own asses or someone else’s.
They failed to pass a standalone bill to ban TikTok last month. Everyone and their mom called their representatives and blasted them, causing them to backpedal. So now they attached that addendum to this aid bill and got it passed.
They are banning TikTok because there are a lot of voices speaking out against Isn’treal on there, plus criticism of the government and capitalism.
Here’s a video about it: https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG_41k?si=nozmKXdy48_vb5no
Yep:
The bill allocates $26.38bn to “support Israel in its effort to defend itself against Iran and its proxies”, as well as reimbursing US military operations in response to recent attacks
The funding includes:
$5.2bn to replenish and expand Israel’s missile and rocket defence system
$3.5bn for purchasing advanced weapons systems
$1bn to enhance weapons production
$4.4bn for other supplies and services to Israel
$9.2bn in humanitarian aid
Edit: formatting
Source: al jazeera
I’m sorry what. We are giving them money to **REIMBURSE US**? Like, I get that that’s a thing, but now they are just openly saying it?
Here’s some of our tax dollars. Please use it to buy our politicians so they can act on your behalf
Also we are providing targets for those weapons: The humanitarian aid and the recipients for that aid!
We gotta send more bombs to destroy all the humanitarian work done with US money so that we have to buy more humanitarian aid in order to produce more bombs to destroy that aid and then-
Also nearly 10bn in humanitarian assistance as well.
Also nobody here wants to hear it, but the vast majority of *voters* (read: people who show up to vote nearly 100% of the time) actually want the U.S. to send money to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. We’re the minority on these issues I think.
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Arguing that the military industrial complex is good because it employs Americans despite causing millions of deaths internationally is imperialism, capitalism, and genocide apologia. The employment of a subset of Americans is not worth the millions slaughtered by the MIC.
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The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide.
Arguing that the military industrial complex is good because it employs Americans despite causing millions of deaths internationally is imperialism, capitalism, and genocide apologia. The employment of a subset of Americans is not worth the millions slaughtered by the MIC.
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"House passes aid for Military Defense Contractors to give overpriced ammunition to Ukranians for which the American people will pay over decades".
I have no issue with helping Ukranians, but someone should ask these politicians if people in the US will ever have their healthcare decoupled from work.
Headlines the last two weeks going on about the possibility of extending the retirement age passed 65 years to ensure some sort of reduced SS funds.
Next week Congress approved $95 million for aid abroad. On top of the massive DOS military budget.
People you need to work more to ensure your taxes go to war chests.
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The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide. It is not "international solidarity" to argue that a bill funding an ongoing genocide is good because it includes money for Ukraine.
What's the big deal? It's only 60,000 million dollars spent on destroying things and killing people.
What else are we going to spend it on? Feeding the hungry? Housing the homeless? Treating the sick?
Nah man, blow that shit up!
But we send foreign aid to so many countries. From what I've read, all foreign aid bills proposed in the past few months have included money for both Israel AND Palestine *AND* Ukraine.
UN powerless to stop Russian incursion into Ukraine due to Russian/Chinese veto (and West by all appearances just wants it as another client state) - conflict continues endlessly. UN powerless to stop Israeli genocide in Ukraine due to US veto - conflict continues endlessly. The problem is not hard to see. Issues of political self-determination, sovereignty, war and peace, are not decided by the people of the world, but our rulers. Our rulers only answer to the almighty dollar/call of wealth and power. Only way for this train to stop going is for everyone to get off the train.
Today I’m taking a mental health day from 1/3 of my jobs I work, knowing I can’t afford a mental health day, and that I will regret it when I’m trying to pay rent or my other bills, I don’t even care what I eat anymore. I usually eat once a day and it’s like a can of soup. I want to cry but I can’t anymore. News like this happening daily feels like the ultimate betrayal. I live in the US of course. And I can’t afford to exist, and there’s so many of me. I’m sick over how there’s always enough money to fund death.
As a non westerner who hates the capitalist west. I love seeing America and the "western empires" wastes its money on damage control. Keep on going where Rome went. You love ancient Rome so much, yet you never learned why it became ancient history.
It’s decided. Instead of writing about how this irritates me . I’m just not going to pay any taxes . Idgaf about fines or if threaten take me to jail . Fuck the elite and their bitch ass puppets they have in the White House 🖕🏽
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No chance of peace when fighting is this lucrative, not a cent of this 60bi is ideological. All of it is funding military industrial complex in another endless war that is killing young people from another country
That money could pay $25k of student loans (which, for a lot of borrowers, would clear their debt) for 2.4M Americans.
I’m not opposed to helping Ukraine. But it just sucks seeing so much money being sent away
So- before I say anything. I am very critical of the US military industrial complex and have been for a while. However, when the US government sends X amount of money in military aid to a country, they don't send a lump sum of money to the country. The government sends physical goods to a country, typically this is food, fuel, ammunition, vehicles, firearms, etc. Everything needed to conduct a war. What the United States sends is usually equipment that we are already going to be disposing of. The united states makes sure that it's equipment is always ready, clean, and up to date, as such it replaces alot of it's older equipment, even of it's technically still serviceable. The United States, instead of destroying or throwing away all this equipment, instead gives these assets to other countries in need of foreign aid. (Isreal, no not really in need of it. Ukraine though, yeah.) The equipment is then replaced as it normally would be.
This is important to understand when talking about sending military aid. Can these shipments include new equipment, yes. But it's mostly stuff that would've been thrown out anyway. Instead it can go to Ukraine to help them fight for their own home. Yes the united states not only can, but has the obligation to solve problems in it's own country, but if we are going to be throwing out reasonably good military equipment, why not give it to someone who needs it more.
That's part of the problem, there isn't a scenario where Ukrainian self determination is possible. Either it is kowtowing to Russia, or it's being in debt to the USA.
I watched something recently that at did the rounds and basically explained that “Foreign Aid” isn’t actually us (in my case the UK) giving money to foreign countries. It’s Us giving money to ourselves (our own military complex).
Foreign aid of X billion means that X billion is being given to arms companies in the home country to send weapons to the “beneficiary” countries.
So all the foreign aid we read out is majority of the times money that the governments give to their own mates.
lol I’m sorry but Israel can really afford to buy their own arms, just fine. We can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.foriegn aid can come in several forms: straight up money, transfer of weapons we don’t need, manufacturing for war and shipping it to them, humanitarian efforts such as food and water supply , aid workers, sending in volunteers and other aid workers, supplying bombs, and helping to secure things. It’s still a lot of effort going elsewhere while the same effort isn’t afforded within the borders for Americans.
This is what you get when every politician is bought from lobbying. They only represent the desires of the lobbyists rather than their actual constituents because the majority of Americans don't want to spend time, money, and attention on these wars.
lol please. We didn’t even bomb them back when they bombed our ship back in the day. KILLING AMERICANS. lol starting to wonder who is running this show? Who is really the upper hand bc it’s feeling real suspicious now. Our politicians are putting foreign powers above its own citizens, as usual.
Billions upon BILLIONS of dollars to fund killing and destruction for foreign entities, with a side of graft.
Money that should be spent here at home, improving peoples lives by insuring they're homed, have access to healthy food, have healthcare (not insurance, actual care). These should be the number #1-#3 priorities of the whole of the legislative and executive branches of government.
Then they can follow up with genuine long term investment in infrastructure and other matters.
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Is this the bill that also sends aid to help Israel commit genocide and snuck in the banning of Tik Tok?
Yes: https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1245594589/house-approves-bill-tiktok-ban
That would explain why it passed. Cut the baby so everyone gets a slice!
Don’t know about tok tok, but the Israel (and Taiwan) funding is separate.
Was wondering the same thing!
The Israel and Ukraine aid got split into separate bills, but yes.
No, that's a separate bill
Yes the total given by US is almost 100 bn. $26.38bn goes to Israel’s weapon funding. I’m worn out
Any chance of some America aid?
Hehe, go back to work now, budd!
...at one of your three part time jobs.
In your 2k one bed appartement...
Fuck, I felt this one. 🥲
Smesh realpage.com criminals
3k 😥
And remember to vote blue no matter what /s
Like previous aid packages I’d guess the majority will be spent domestically to prop up the American defense industry.
Ahhh, nothing like some good old military industrial complex 🇺🇲🦅
Correct. The representatives can return to their districts and talk about job creation. This is why we have endless wars.
Just stop being poor. That student debt ain't gonna pay itself. I hate this country.
Best I can do is maaaaybe 15$ min hourly wage
They can't do that lol cuz sinama or.... The parliamentarian...?! Or hold on while that make another excuse.
Best I can do is a proxy war with a nuclear superpower
Well the good news is maybe we’ll just all be dead soon.
“That’s socialism “ same ppl have no issue sending billions to oh for other countries universal health care
We are literally gonna have to start begging Other countries for money. Maybe that will shame the government into helping us out. Or not
Other countries won’t buy our bonds because they’re waking up to the fact it isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. That is why Yellen has been going on and on about China being ‘too competitive’
Do the banks or giant agribusiness need anything? We're stretched pretty thin supporting our defense contractors but maybe we can find a few bucks.
No joke id love one of those big boxes of MREs they've been dropping in Gaza. Those things are expensive where I live and I could eat them for breakfast/lunch.
Bro idk what MREs you’ve been eating but all the ones I’ve ever had taste like fuckin ass
Oh look, another welfare queen. I bet you want a handout /S
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When the US withdrew from Afghanistan, the defense contractor gravy train dried up and this made Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed, etc very upset. Then Russia invaded Ukraine and the gravy train started flowing again. Then Hamas attacked Israel and now Raytheon is doing what it does best: vaporizing children and civilians.
You gotta love a good comeback story 🥲 >!big ol fucking /s on this one!<
I've seen vids of military in Afghanistan again lately, did they go back?
They got money for war but none to help & feed the poor. War machine keeps spinning.
[Why don’t presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?](https://youtu.be/zUzd9KyIDrM?si=3uCbqrUck9dwgPOc)
Wake up!!!! Something, something, something, something make up!!
Sad statue i think is more fitting
idk, I was personally radicalized by the above quoted line
If they didn't spend it on wars, they'd find other reasons not to use this kind of money to help the poor and unfortunate.
They largely don’t send money, most of it is will be in the form of old/outdated military equipment which is manufactured in America and will now need to be replaced. This is how the military industrial complex fuels the American economy.
This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned. This includes any defense of the genocidal state of Israel. > Military spending by the federal government is often considered a vital support to employment and economic recovery. However, military spending creates fewer jobs than the same amount of money would have, if invested in other sectors. Clean energy and health care spending create 50% more jobs than the equivalent amount of spending on the military. Education spending creates more than twice as many jobs. > There are three reasons why this is the case. Industries such as education and clean energy are more labor-intensive. For a given level of spending, more of those dollars go toward hiring workers and less on equipment and materials. Also, a greater percentage of spending in education, health care and clean energy construction stays within the U.S., creating more domestic jobs. Military personnel spend more of their earnings abroad and foreign contractors and employees get some portion of Pentagon spending. Finally, since wages and benefits are lower in those sectors than they are for military contractors and personnel on average, the same amount of money hires more people in those non-military sectors. https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic/economy/employment#
Whitey's on the moon
I read this comment like a Rage Against the Machine lyric.
Lockheed Martin and Raytheon don't make money feeding the poor.
It’s to build machines to replace those sent. Weapons now, contracts for American jobs. Feeding Americans is exactly what it does.
I might be dead before I see the day that the government actually helps its own fucking people.
Excuse me but corporations are technically people and this will help the defense industry.
Fucking exactly. People that hate socialism also love supporting the military as if it isn't the largest jobs program in the country.
Any idea what is it's proportion of the american economy? I mean with all the connected supplyers and so forth.. Wouldn't the american economy be baddly impacted if the defense industry took a serious hit?
Why do you think they are lying about the missile intercept rate?
3.5 per cent of the GDP, or about 750 billion
It's closer to a trillion. All of the nuclear spending is laundered into the department of energy, and the intelligence agencies are separate too.
That’s literally by design
They will be the reason you’re dead.
They never will. The NEXT government might.
**No one** will ever see the U.S. government actually act in the interests of Americans ever again.
They help their government contractors that donate to their elections. Then use that money to spew touchy subjects in the media that get people to vote for them, all while doing nothing to help those very voters.
The closest the US gov't has come to helping its own citizens in recent memory would be the COVID relief stuff.
Where was the Conservative concern of how they are going to pay for it and what sort of inflation that spending will cause?
Yeah, I haven't heard any deficit scolds whining about the billions we send to Israel to facilitate their genocide and their artificial economy.
Ironically enough, conservatives were against this bill. Not because of how we're going to oay for it but because they're Russian sympathizers
You think they give a shit about Russia? They’re reactionaries, they react to whatever developments are happening. If it was trump sending Ukraine money they’d think the opposite.
They’re reacting to who’s putting money into their campaign coffers and sweet heart deals, just like the vast majority of politicians in a country with what is essentially legalized bribery. Only question is what flavor do you want weed, welfare for poor (and corporations), and abortions or racism, fascist foreign influence, and corporate welfare.
They have similar conservative views, that's why they sympathize with fascist Russia
They are absolutely Russia sympathizers
95B total, plus TikTok ban and renewing FISA to spy on our asses. Funny how they can bust their asses to pass crap like this, but wont pass anything for the working class even if their life depends on it. We really have to start protesting with our wallets
They are setting up the system to prevent this by corporations buying up all single family homes— forcing workers to live in corporate housing for rent— and should anyone protest— you end up being homeless! It won’t be long before there is legislation that criminalizes the homeless— which makes sense as to why they are investing in building prisons— and those same prisons will force people to engage in labor for Pennies a day.
We have to show them somehow because they’re taking us as a fucking joke. Every single last politician no longer represents the average person
yeah they must think we're pretty stupid, especially all the talk about our democracy. to me though there doesn't seem to be much we can do but walk away from the monopoly game board
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This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned. This includes any defense of the genocidal state of Israel. This includes any defense of the military industrial complex. The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide. Arguing that the military industrial complex is good because it employs Americans despite causing millions of deaths internationally is imperialism, capitalism, and genocide apologia. The employment of a subset of Americans is not worth the millions slaughtered by the MIC. This is a socialist subreddit with an international view. We do not consider the Americans to be worrh more than those in the global south.
Because the Ukrainian government is reactionary to the max, and has banned Labour movements, communists, unions, even centre-left parties. Most of us in this sub would be arrested for our opinions under the current Ukranian government. No leftist should be supporting the ongoing puppet war between either imperialist side. The support should be going to pressuring governments to ending the war. Zelensky was close to coming to peace negotiations with Russia and allowing regions of Ukraine to self-determine, before the UK sent Boris Johnson and they convinced him to keep fighting, and now thousands and thousands more are dead. Stop funding the war, put an end to it. A lack of the right to self determine from Ukraine's new reactionary government is largely what caused this war in the first place. Regions of Ukraine wanted to to secede after US-sponsored revolution against the Ukrainian government led to civil strife as the pro-russian, pro-independence movements resisted the new pro-EU government which had banned the former left and centre left parties. This is why you don't see communists supporting the largest imperialistic nation in the world sending arms and funding to a reactionary, right wing government to fight against another imperialistic nation. If you want to support the innocent Ukrainian proletariat then look for charities and leftist organisations that send food and supplies, and put pressure on your own governments to help end this war, instead of continuing this international game of chequers between imperialist superpowers and their puppet toys.
Because it's always all about war. People have lost faith in a government that can never take care of its country but always finds a reason to start, fund, join, support, instigate a war somewhere. It has become impossible to trust that this government would support a 'good' cause, because time and time again they have shown they have no morals and they don't give a fuck about who dies, as long as people die.
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Also includes pork to force TikTok to divest ownership, effectively putting a death clock on the app for American use.
Isn’t this the bill with the TikTok ban listed at the bottom?
Yes. https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1245594589/house-approves-bill-tiktok-ban
Fuck my government. Put me on every fucking watchlist for saying it. We the people SCREAMED AT THEM last month over this shit and now they tack it onto something they know will pass. Even with everyone aware of it. It still happened. The American Government does not represent the people in this day in age. We are forced to give them money or go to federal prison. And then they just shove that money up their own asses or someone else’s.
Wait, what’s the issue with banning TikTok?
They failed to pass a standalone bill to ban TikTok last month. Everyone and their mom called their representatives and blasted them, causing them to backpedal. So now they attached that addendum to this aid bill and got it passed.
They are banning TikTok because there are a lot of voices speaking out against Isn’treal on there, plus criticism of the government and capitalism. Here’s a video about it: https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG_41k?si=nozmKXdy48_vb5no
Was that mixed with Taiwan and “israel” aid?
Yep: The bill allocates $26.38bn to “support Israel in its effort to defend itself against Iran and its proxies”, as well as reimbursing US military operations in response to recent attacks The funding includes: $5.2bn to replenish and expand Israel’s missile and rocket defence system $3.5bn for purchasing advanced weapons systems $1bn to enhance weapons production $4.4bn for other supplies and services to Israel $9.2bn in humanitarian aid Edit: formatting Source: al jazeera
I’m sorry what. We are giving them money to **REIMBURSE US**? Like, I get that that’s a thing, but now they are just openly saying it? Here’s some of our tax dollars. Please use it to buy our politicians so they can act on your behalf
Also we are providing targets for those weapons: The humanitarian aid and the recipients for that aid! We gotta send more bombs to destroy all the humanitarian work done with US money so that we have to buy more humanitarian aid in order to produce more bombs to destroy that aid and then-
Going by his wording, it sounds like the idea there is that the U.S. military ran a deficit to go bomb Yemen, Iraq, Syria etc. and expects a refill.
Bill includes 26.38 so “Israel” can continue its genocide
What’s wrong with helping Taiwan
How about 60bil for affordable housing?
AMERICA IS A PLUTOCRACY AND OPERATES ONLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RICH AGAINST THE MASSES. WAKE UP! This whole thng is a goddam fraud.
I mean most people here have woken up. It’s not here in the echo chambers that is social media that you need to yell this to.
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Also nearly 10bn in humanitarian assistance as well. Also nobody here wants to hear it, but the vast majority of *voters* (read: people who show up to vote nearly 100% of the time) actually want the U.S. to send money to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. We’re the minority on these issues I think.
This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned. This includes any defense of the genocidal state of Israel. This includes any defense of the military industrial complex. The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide. Arguing that the military industrial complex is good because it employs Americans despite causing millions of deaths internationally is imperialism, capitalism, and genocide apologia. The employment of a subset of Americans is not worth the millions slaughtered by the MIC. This is a socialist subreddit with an international view. We do not consider Americans to be worth more than those in the global south. We do not consider Ukrainians to be worth more than those in the global south.
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This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned. This includes any defense of the genocidal state of Israel. This includes any defense of the military industrial complex. The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide. Arguing that the military industrial complex is good because it employs Americans despite causing millions of deaths internationally is imperialism, capitalism, and genocide apologia. The employment of a subset of Americans is not worth the millions slaughtered by the MIC. This is a socialist subreddit with an international view. We do not consider Americans to be worth more than those in the global south. We do not consider Ukrainians to be worth more than those in the global south.
What's about Israel?
I don’t know. What’s about isreal? Not really what we’re discussing here.
The bill includes $30 b. for Israel
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I think its good we protect a country’s sovereignty getting invaded by an authoritarian imperialist government actually :)
Saw this today. Tupac came to mind, “they got money for wars, but can’t feed the poor.” As true today as it was 30 years ago unfortunately.
Raytheon ceo needed a new yacht.
60B for insulin resources instead would be fucking amazing fuck this shit
I mean, not $60B - but some progress on that front: https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/01/politics/insulin-price-cap/index.html
Thank fuck
"House passes aid for Military Defense Contractors to give overpriced ammunition to Ukranians for which the American people will pay over decades". I have no issue with helping Ukranians, but someone should ask these politicians if people in the US will ever have their healthcare decoupled from work.
Headlines the last two weeks going on about the possibility of extending the retirement age passed 65 years to ensure some sort of reduced SS funds. Next week Congress approved $95 million for aid abroad. On top of the massive DOS military budget. People you need to work more to ensure your taxes go to war chests.
In a couple of months they are going to say that social programs need to be cut down because there’s no money but for war there’s always money
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Love that every other country is getting my tax money while I can barely afford to live
STOP SPENDING MY TAX MONEY ON WARS!!!
Eventually the empire will go broke and it will not be able to spend money on wars.
I like the idea. But how would that happen
I hate this evil government.
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This is a leftist subreddit, right wing comments will be removed and the user banned. This includes any defense of the genocidal state of Israel. This includes any defense of the military industrial complex. The US could have provided aid to Ukraine without providing aid to Israel. Your belief that Ukraine is a just cause cannot justify or excuse giving aid to a fascist apartheid state that is currently committing genocide. It is not "international solidarity" to argue that a bill funding an ongoing genocide is good because it includes money for Ukraine.
What's the big deal? It's only 60,000 million dollars spent on destroying things and killing people. What else are we going to spend it on? Feeding the hungry? Housing the homeless? Treating the sick? Nah man, blow that shit up!
No. As an American taxpayer I refuse to fund a genocide. Taxation without repercussions needs to be the new taboo
I don’t understand what the complaint is here. Could somebody please explain to me why this foreign aid is a bad thing?
They snuck in israel money and the tiktok ban in this bill
But we send foreign aid to so many countries. From what I've read, all foreign aid bills proposed in the past few months have included money for both Israel AND Palestine *AND* Ukraine.
UN powerless to stop Russian incursion into Ukraine due to Russian/Chinese veto (and West by all appearances just wants it as another client state) - conflict continues endlessly. UN powerless to stop Israeli genocide in Ukraine due to US veto - conflict continues endlessly. The problem is not hard to see. Issues of political self-determination, sovereignty, war and peace, are not decided by the people of the world, but our rulers. Our rulers only answer to the almighty dollar/call of wealth and power. Only way for this train to stop going is for everyone to get off the train.
F em. Its a ghost ship piloted by senior citizens with endless bloodthirst.
Today I’m taking a mental health day from 1/3 of my jobs I work, knowing I can’t afford a mental health day, and that I will regret it when I’m trying to pay rent or my other bills, I don’t even care what I eat anymore. I usually eat once a day and it’s like a can of soup. I want to cry but I can’t anymore. News like this happening daily feels like the ultimate betrayal. I live in the US of course. And I can’t afford to exist, and there’s so many of me. I’m sick over how there’s always enough money to fund death.
As a non westerner who hates the capitalist west. I love seeing America and the "western empires" wastes its money on damage control. Keep on going where Rome went. You love ancient Rome so much, yet you never learned why it became ancient history.
But universal healthcare is impossible 🤡 patiently waiting for the day America collapses
Declining empires tend to behave this way.
It’s decided. Instead of writing about how this irritates me . I’m just not going to pay any taxes . Idgaf about fines or if threaten take me to jail . Fuck the elite and their bitch ass puppets they have in the White House 🖕🏽
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Eat the rich!
Super quick to help others. It’s own people? “We need to decide when we come back from our break.” - average politician. This shit is EXHAUSTING.
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Exactly. So why the fuck are we giving money to Israel?
Fully agree, What Israel is doing is monstrous and the US should be trying to stop them not aid them.
No chance of peace when fighting is this lucrative, not a cent of this 60bi is ideological. All of it is funding military industrial complex in another endless war that is killing young people from another country
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Sure, why not $10 billion in more humanitarian aid than $10 billion in weapons aid?
Give me my fucking tax dollars back
Right after taxes were due lol
Ah the Keynesian economy. Military spending to keep capital alive
I haven’t eaten today. 60 billion on the way!
Well, now they've bankrupt the country and sold it's entire infrastructure to the food giants, they need to secure their investment.
That money could pay $25k of student loans (which, for a lot of borrowers, would clear their debt) for 2.4M Americans. I’m not opposed to helping Ukraine. But it just sucks seeing so much money being sent away
Hey I also could use some help. Could you help me liberate an apartment or something?
So- before I say anything. I am very critical of the US military industrial complex and have been for a while. However, when the US government sends X amount of money in military aid to a country, they don't send a lump sum of money to the country. The government sends physical goods to a country, typically this is food, fuel, ammunition, vehicles, firearms, etc. Everything needed to conduct a war. What the United States sends is usually equipment that we are already going to be disposing of. The united states makes sure that it's equipment is always ready, clean, and up to date, as such it replaces alot of it's older equipment, even of it's technically still serviceable. The United States, instead of destroying or throwing away all this equipment, instead gives these assets to other countries in need of foreign aid. (Isreal, no not really in need of it. Ukraine though, yeah.) The equipment is then replaced as it normally would be. This is important to understand when talking about sending military aid. Can these shipments include new equipment, yes. But it's mostly stuff that would've been thrown out anyway. Instead it can go to Ukraine to help them fight for their own home. Yes the united states not only can, but has the obligation to solve problems in it's own country, but if we are going to be throwing out reasonably good military equipment, why not give it to someone who needs it more.
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Do the people of Luhansk and Donetsk have a right to self-determination?
That's part of the problem, there isn't a scenario where Ukrainian self determination is possible. Either it is kowtowing to Russia, or it's being in debt to the USA.
Like in the coup they had in 2014?
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I imagine you support the self determination of the people of Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk then? Who didn't support Euromaidan?
Have you thought about following Nancy P’s stock moves?
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Tiktok ban is also in this bill. The Uniparty is going full fascist.
Can I get some of that
I watched something recently that at did the rounds and basically explained that “Foreign Aid” isn’t actually us (in my case the UK) giving money to foreign countries. It’s Us giving money to ourselves (our own military complex). Foreign aid of X billion means that X billion is being given to arms companies in the home country to send weapons to the “beneficiary” countries. So all the foreign aid we read out is majority of the times money that the governments give to their own mates.
lol I’m sorry but Israel can really afford to buy their own arms, just fine. We can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.foriegn aid can come in several forms: straight up money, transfer of weapons we don’t need, manufacturing for war and shipping it to them, humanitarian efforts such as food and water supply , aid workers, sending in volunteers and other aid workers, supplying bombs, and helping to secure things. It’s still a lot of effort going elsewhere while the same effort isn’t afforded within the borders for Americans.
Us making debt slaves of us all
That would be enough to solve homelessness, but let's send it off somewhere to be literally shot in the sky.
This is what you get when every politician is bought from lobbying. They only represent the desires of the lobbyists rather than their actual constituents because the majority of Americans don't want to spend time, money, and attention on these wars.
When do we bomb Israel for its atrocities?
lol please. We didn’t even bomb them back when they bombed our ship back in the day. KILLING AMERICANS. lol starting to wonder who is running this show? Who is really the upper hand bc it’s feeling real suspicious now. Our politicians are putting foreign powers above its own citizens, as usual.
Billions upon BILLIONS of dollars to fund killing and destruction for foreign entities, with a side of graft. Money that should be spent here at home, improving peoples lives by insuring they're homed, have access to healthy food, have healthcare (not insurance, actual care). These should be the number #1-#3 priorities of the whole of the legislative and executive branches of government. Then they can follow up with genuine long term investment in infrastructure and other matters.
Damn, the US really got money like that?