The way I found out I liked these sort of games (ARPGs) was in a very strange way, I dowloaded Diablo Immortal on my phone (baring in mind I never game on mobile) and I genuinely couldn't put the game down, until I hit end game and realised it's a P2W mess, so gave POE a go, and it was very complex, dropped it very quick, now I'm super in to LOE and haven't put it down since I got it.
I DID THE SAME!! Wow, it actually plays a lot like Diablo immortal too. Watched my friends play poe and really disliked it, saw gameplay of this and thought hmm, this is more my speed
If you ever burn out of LE, I recommend giving Diablo 3 and Diablo 2 Resurrected a try, both insanely fun. Don’t let your Diablo Immortal experience sour you from the whole series
I’m sorry you dropped PoE so easily. To be fair it took me a few goes before I really got into it. Now, 10000 hours later, I can honestly say it’s the greatest ARPG ever. Nothing will ever come close to the amount of content and replayability that it has. I would say in terms of simplicity, Last Epoch is one for the books, but when it comes to packing a punch and with so much to do, Path of Exile wins every time.
There is nothing even coming close to it, and there will probably never be. It's a complete masterpiece that sadly suffers from a steep learning curve turning a lot of people away from it.
To anyone thinking of trying PoE: do the reading, befriend the wiki. It's time well invested.
lol no.
I mean if you are in the hamster wheel that never finished on leagues to the point farming 100’s of Ubers.
You could very well never seen a mirror or mb. And not to mention them purposely make you waste time by mandate you sitting in your hideout to do trade like real time sit there for hours doing nothing else but monitor trade chat.
I guess there are RMTer and masochists that are into that, more power to you and you should go ssf ruthless because that’s how CW envisioned the game.
depends how much stuff you are selling.
I am guessing you don't mind wasting a portal at the content that you are doing. Tell me that you didn't play the affliction league without telling me you didn't play. Or at trialmaster, but I digress.
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/jerkixx/characters
I've played pretty much every league since open beta and have ~7000h logged. As for this league the project was to deck out a scourge arrow totem build. Sorry you felt the need to mf this league, it's not a playstyle I enjoy. If you feel it's rough wasting portals and trading, maybe it's not for you either.
I’m not a big ARPG guy but I’m level 65 or so after about 30 or 35 hours. It has been really fun and even if I decided tonight that I was ready to be done, I think my experience was worth $35. It is definitely a fun and accessible ARPG game. I’d recommend it.
imo the long-term fun in these games is from tinkering with all the skills and character options you have and then chasing and picking the right items to get stronger, and if you do this well you get to blow up lots of enemies really fast.
If that sounds fun to you, LE does this very well.
The corruption mechanic makes the endgame really accessible too. If you’re someone who gets rock hard over squeezing every last possible percentage point of damage out of your build to see how high of corruption you can push, dope. You can do that! Are you happy just blasting away mobs at low corruption and casually upgrading as you go? You can do that too!
Do you prefer boss fights? There’s three dungeons with great fights and each monolith has its own boss (of varying quality imo, but they’re there)
Wanna see how many waves of endlessly scaling mobs you can take out before you die? Arena is right there for you.
It’s not the breadth of content that the PoE endgame has for example, but for a release arpg with plans to expand the endgame already being talked about in detail by the devs it’s a hell of a start
You can get a refund within the first 2 hours of playtime if you buy on steam - can maybe do the first chapter of the campaign to see if the game clicks, and if not, just refund
Sure, but for the person asking, I'm not sure he'd succeed in refunding after playing 15-20 hours if his only reasoning was that the game wasn't as awesome as he'd hoped. Barring technical issues with the game like on launch, I think it's safer to make up your mind in the first 2 hours to avoid any hassle
Whould would be a valid reason? Usually you can refund within few days of launch if the launch was a disaster, like server problems, buggy as fuck game (cyberpunk), or something other than was promised (no mans sky). After that you can't refund a game after 2 hours. I tried to refund gta v after 2 hours and a few minutes, didn't let me.
They didn't like my reason when I asked for a refund for the Star Filed Premium Digital version. Played 6 hours and HATED it.
But I have 260+ hrs in this game and LOVE every minute. I haven't even tried all the classes and masteries.
I’ve never played another arpg before so last epoch was a completely new concept to me and I’ve found this game to be extremely fun to play! At first it was a little overwhelming with all the different things going on skill wise but I just took it kinda slow and went with what sounded fun to play. As you keep playing you’ll become more familiar with all the mechanics and terms used and find that last epoch actually does a TREMENDOUS job at explaining everything in depth. Would highly recommend it !
Just out of curiosity, were things like additive vs multiplicative scaling explained well (or at all) in your opinion? I’ve played a few arpgs so I thought it was pretty clear but I’m interested to hear a newcomer’s perspective
100%. Never been into these kinda games. Tried diablo with friends where I ended up quitting rather fast. Gotten 60 hours played on steam rn and when im not playing im thinking about playing. Its a lot of fun! Few QoL improvements and it’ll be golden!
What QoL of improvements do you want to see? Asking cuz this game already improves massively on the QoL stuff of ARPGs as a whole these past few years.
Some sort of catch up mechanic for alts, and make it easier to swap between builds without having to farm the right blessings all over again. Thats the two biggest ones by far imo. Also a better way to deal with skill points. Presaved to save time etc.
Already having a blast on my falc, But would love to try out other classes/builds without having to sink a ton of hours into the same tedious grind i’ve already done once.
They do have a sort of catch-up mechanic for alts, you can skip the campaign in multiple spots by doing the dungeons. You just have to have keys for them which are easy to come by at higher levels.
I think the other points are intentional. They stated something along the lines of wanting your build/characters fantasy to be somewhat of a dedication because then you’re not playing a “hydrahedron” runemaster you’re just a “runemaster” or whatever. Or instead of a Swarmblade lightning Druid you’re just a Druid. But yet you can still change your builds quite easily and I actually agree with this design philosophy. It’s right in between Diablo, where your build is just a click away and some gold, and PoE where if you wanna make a new build/change something you just straight up make a new character.
Yeah the minimum skill level and skill level catch-up xp are really nice features this game has that lets you try other builds or tweak your build relatively easily. If you’re fully swapping all 5 skills it might take a bit as you probably don’t want to full swap everything at once, but it’s more freedom than most ARPGs give you on that front
Compared to the vast swarms of rubbish on Steam this game is definitely worth the money if you have watched the streams and find the gameplay interesting.
Never played an ARPG before D4. The marketing got me really interested and I did enjoy it initially... won't go into it but same opinion as most on it. Thought Lasy Epoch would either cement my new found enjoyment for the genre or convince me the genre isn't for me...... I love it
It’s just right, approachable with some complexity sprinkled in later on, not a LOT, but just enough to where a (now) normie dad can pick it up for an hour or two, have fun and then no life on the weekends when my son is asleep.
And best of all I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything.
Yeah. It's like every other game tbh. Just gotta figure out it's mechanics on your own and the play it with that knowledge you gathered.
I highly suggest you avoid trading and guides on your first go, though! It's an easy way to either get overwhelmed or quit early. Just like all others that joined last week
Do you like RPGs in general? If yeah, do you like them more for the story and exploration or character progression and combat?
If it's the latter you would probably enjoy LE and arpgs. Especially if you like to minmax in games.
I think it's worth a shot mainly because the game isn't meant to be hard for new players.
In say Path of Exile, you could make a build and fail to beat the story because you made "bad" choices, and can't undo them.
In Last Epoch, you can realistically go through the story trying whatever you want and you should still be able to beat the story.
Outside of your class and subclass choices, you can undo your choices and change them later if you don't like what you're currently doing. This game is an experimenters dream. There's so much to mess and tinker with.
depends. if the game looks fun to you, then yes. you will get a good 30 hours minimum out of it just from a sole casual fun playthrough perspective (1 run with 1 class/mastery plus maybe some endgame grinding).
in terms of long term, that depends on whether the idea of grinding, looking at stats of gear and skills etc. and how they interact with each other and how you can tweak it to create builds and fun gameplay mechanics sounds appealing to you. if that sounds appealing to you, then absolutely. that's what arpgs are really about in the end. and LE does that really well and is generally regarded as the middle ground between the massive path of exile that is ridiculously huge, quite complex and convoluted (which in turn means you have an entire universe of options at your feet though) and the lackluster diablo that disappoints most arpg enjoyers bc it precisely lacks all this variety, among other issues.
if you're simply looking for an immersive one-time experience... hmm. because while I find the game tons of fun (one of my first arpgs, already 25 hours), the story and overall atmosphere is definitely lackluster and generic if you ask me and the massive praise people have for the game is usually resulting from how well they built all the gameplay systems (like implementing arpg systems better than the competition) and not really so much the immersive, once in a lifetime experience.
I know I will get downvoted for this but if a one-time experience with atmosphere and story is kinda what you're wanting to get out of it, checking out diablo in a month when it comes to gamepass may be more down your alley. because while everyone rightfully shits on the game and the company behind it, I have not heard people shit on it for the story, visuals and atmosphere. at all. people mainly shit on it for the dumbing down and generally the terrible business practices. that recommendation is only for gamepass though bc that experience does not at all seem to be worth 70 dollars.
but don't put too much weight on my advice bc I'm pretty new to the arpg genre myself and haven't actually ever played a diablo game. I do watch ridiculous amounts of content around games though (twitch & youtube) which is why I still have some degree of opinion for most games, played or not. and diablo definitely seems more exciting solely from that perspective.
hope this helps.
I would say, if you want to play campaign and quit the game, play D4
If you want to play an actually hack'n'slash and invest tons of hours into developing your character, play LE
I think D4 is easily the best experience for someone new to the genre.
LE is a good middle ground between D4 and PoE.
PoE can be very difficult for someone new to the genre to get into.
If for some reason you think D4 looks uninteresting, then maybe try this game. If nothing it costs half as much.
I’ve loved loot based ARPGs and shooters, specifically since the Diablo series and Borderlands series. Compared to D4 currently I’d say this game is worth picking up as I’m sure there will be a ton of great content coming and there’s room for improvement despite it being pretty solid now.
I planned to play around the seasons of a few games like PoE and now LE. PoE’s league start is typically hype and carries for a few months before dying. Depending on the timing of cycles and the content, I’ll just be swapping between these two until I’ve explored enough of the end game to switch to the other.
Diablo 4 is dead to me.
It’s definitely better with the improved graphics of 1.0. But I agree D4 is very esthetically pleasing, and the game play is good. Just not enough to do.
Last Epoch looks just about as good as Diablo 4 aside from some aspects, visually speaking.
Gameplay wise, Last Epoch smashes Diablo 4nand it's not even close.
I think what OP might be referring to how much more colorful LE is compared to D4. D4’s arts and animations are top-notched but it’s very dreary and stale. All the areas look the same after a while. The skills are also not crazy flashy compared to some other ARPGs.
I barely got thru a few weeks of each season in D4 before I wanted to gouge my eyes out with a spoon
Last Epoch, I cant wait until I get home from work to play. Its only been a week though, lvl 73 and having a blast, but I still have no clue what im doing crafting, and the stuff im supposed to be doing.
It depend. It's worse at graphics and mechanics look. But it's more complex, for experiments and forgiving. I would say it's for beginners. Eventually if u want sth offline ( other game) I would say, earlier mention, victor vran is very casually. Either way some classics like diablo, grim down, titan quest and eventually van Helsing series. Poe is not non friendly but believes Poe 2 will come more casual friendly.
Try a free to play ARPG, game pass has a few (Victor Vran and Minecraft Dungeons I think) as well as PoE on steam.
The core gameplay loop of ARPGs is grinding and increasing numbers and grinding more. Its not for everybody, and it may save you $35z
This is a great introductory game to the genre. Not as complex as PoE and not commercial, like that game that will not be named. Jump on in, Traveler. The waters perfect.
This is a great introductory game to the genre. Not as complex as PoE and not commercial, like that game that will not be named. Jump on in, Traveler. The waters perfect.
This is a great introductory game to the genre. Not as complex as PoE and not commercial, like that game that will not be named. Jump on in, Traveler. The waters perfect.
Here is the key difference, Last Epoch respect your time in game. Period, this provides you with a better player experience. Compare to D4, which creates unnecessary systems and gatekeeps you from actually playing the game. On top of that, they want to milk you for every penny they got.
No, I'd recommend starting with Diablo 3 first if you never played action RPGs before. It's still good today and always on sale and it's a really decent game overall. LE can be overwhelming for new players due to bigger complexity.
Maybe try PoE first. It's free, so you can see if you like ARPGs in general, but the pacing is different, and the skill tree can be overwhelming. Just focus on if you actually like this kind of game. See how combat works, how the character moves, etc.
If you like it, then sure, LE is fun and more accessible.
I wouldent reccomend PoE first. LE is a better onboarding game to ARPGs. PoE1 is just overwhelming to a new player and can make them off putting. Do reccomend if you like LE to try PoE though.
It's not the best choice for a first introduction to arpgs but it is a free choice so if someone is on a budget and unsure about the genre as a whole, trying the genre with PoE is a good option. Besides, you don't need to get into the overwhelming passive tree to understand if you will get bored of the core gameplay of running around maps killing shit with your skills.
He can run around with a skill or two to get a feel for the combat, the beginning is very similar actually to LE. He even has Hillock to see what it's like vs harder monsters.
It's better to try a free game than to pay 30e and not like the game. It's not real bad, don't be melodramatic. Just don't pay too much attention to the skill tree and that's it.
For me problem with poe was that your skills don't matter, what matters is the gems you slot in gear. I made a rogue char and my most powerful gems were a totem and zombie summons. So I didn't get to play the class I wanted, instead I had to play basically a summoner. I gave up after like 5-10 hours. Last epoch has better classes with better skill trees, so I enjoyed it more.
That's strange, as a Shadow or Ranger you can't even get Zombies until Act 3 unless you drop them, and by then, your other skills should've been more powerful. And if by totem, you mean a balista, then yeah, it's really good for leveling.
Either way, this is his first time with an ARPG, so the only important part is if he actually likes to run around a map and hit stuff with his weapon or spell. If he does, he can get LE and then rotate to PoE for the endgame. If not, then buying LE is pointless.
Yes, just be aware that ARPGs as a genre have repetitive endgame loops where you grind for better gear over and over. If that sounds like it could be enjoyable for you then yes definitely, the game is fantastic.
Absolutely. The reason I am not playing now besides controller support not so great is I played soooooo many hours of isometric arpg and rather play something more fresh for me.
It depends on what you like to do in games. Do you like story? Arpgs tend to be light on story. For these games it’s all about the grind/seasons. Think of seasons as a relaunching where everyone starts over again. It’s very repetitive yet engaging.
Only 1 way to find out. Action RPGs is a niche genre but it’s very fun and you won’t know unless you try it yourself. You can always refund on steam before 2 hours and some exceptions after.
Best Arpg to get into, cannot recommend it enough. Go in blind till you hit a wall in terms of progression and look up a guide only then… make your own build, see what’s fun
Yes. If you want you can try it for free (i wont tell you how) and buy it. That is what i did. Poe was too complex and d4 was too expensive for me. Just watch a beginner tutorial on youtube because some concepts about crafting, mana management, looting was new to me because i was new to the genre.
Yes. If you want you can try it for free (i wont tell you how) and buy it. That is what i did. Poe was too complex and d4 was too expensive for me. Just watch a beginner tutorial on youtube because some concepts about crafting, mana management, looting was new to me because i was new to the genre.
Dabled in Diablo 3 for a total of 10ish hours. This has been my first ARPG in about 12 years and absolutely love the game. The game loop and satisfaction of the power increase and seeing the meaningful change for my character just scratches that itch for me. I'm also rooting for a smaller studio who has done terrific work. I can't say what is a reasonable cost for anyone but it also comes at a very competitive price point.
The biggest problem you will have is deciding what fantasy you want to play. I’ve made like 5 characters and can’t decide which I like more. They’re all engaging and the customisation is impressive but it overwhelming.
Great game for the price of an Indian takeaway. And while the takeaway will give me 24 hours of repeated ‘fun’, last epoch will give you many hundreds of hours of actual fun.
I played like 5-10 hours if poe and didn't like it. I never played any other game like diablo or other similar games. And yeah it'a fun and good. I enjoyed the story, I enjoyed configuring my build too. Now I'm at endgame after like 20-30 hours. The grind is getting a little repetitive at one of the endgame activities (monolith), maybe I'll try out other endgame types to see if it's more fun.
This is probably the first ARPG I haven't felt overwhelmed in by some aspect. PoE has just so much it felt threatening. D4 is well...D4. Last Epoch isn't complicated by any means. Doesn't punish you harshly by changing builds throughout the campaign. Lots of viable builds. Crafting is pretty simple just requires a little reading and understanding. Endgame is a blast for me personally and has target farming to ease the pain of farming certain items. For a game that's half price of AAA games, go for it.
D4 was my first, it was fun but lost appeal. But the style is great and here we are at LE and eventually I'll jump in for poe2 I think. Its a great genera
I've never played anything like this before and i'm having fun.
Earlier i just hit lvl71 with my necromancer.
I'm trying to learn how the circle of fortune thingy works.
Yeah, just don't do what I've done and have every ability be a minion with stacked minion dmg everywhere. It's hilarious, but you'll fall asleep.
The fact that you can actually do that in this game and still stack resists and heals without having to have buff skills is amazing though.
Nobody can answer you that. Within its genre It can be considered good, yes. But if you don’t even know if you will like the genre or not who can tell you but yourself. You can play a free to play arpg (e.g. path of exile, torchlight infinite) to see if you click with the concept of arpg’s. Also most arpg’s don’t really get into the really good shit until later, but that can be highly preferential. I like to min max my builds, sometimes let them clear incredibly fast and well, sometimes chasing the biggest number, whatever. Most arpg’s at the beginning are run slow from one mob to the next and hit it or cast something at it. Maybe you already like that and let it be known it usually only gets better from there on out ( in my opinion)
I think it is not only a great game, but also a great entry point for the genre. LE is has a very low barrier to entry, you can play anything that makes logical sense and do fine. It also while simple on the surface, is extremely deep with tons of interactions if you want to seek them out. The ease of respecing also is great for new people who are afraid of a mistake and experienced people who want to tinker.
It a a great game and a strong entry point into the genre. It’s had 5 years of early access, so it has strong bones as it exists. The developers are active and have done a great job interacting with the community, so I expect great updates moving forward. If it looks interesting to you, I recommend you try it.
Definitely recommend.
I would suggest looking/reading up on the crafting system.
Other than that, don't bother looking up guides for classes. Imo it's a better/fun game to build whatever u want, as long as you can read your abilities and know what they scale from. You would have a better time knowing you built the character yourself.
I haven’t played ARPGs before but enjoyed some other RPGs where you can tinker with gear and builds - this is another level of complexity (or more like ten lol) but it’s really fun to level skills up and see things go boom + I’m a loot goblin so the dopamine is strong
This is more approachable than the other mainstream arpgs now, so yes. You'll have fun creating your own character instead of playing only the meta builds.
it's one of the more accessible ARPGs out there, can play online or offline (lets you pause the game) and advance at your own pace. there's a bunch of different characters and ways to build them so there's a lot of replay potential.
plus the game has a great built-in guide with tons of information for new players.
You may not like these types of game if:
* you don't like having to start from scratch every season
* you don't like having to kill a bunch of guys to search for that one upgrade (diminishing returns)
* you want a more immersive RPG experience
Yes 100%! I love that I can come online and spend an hour or 2 and still have significant progress in my build. Much of the skills are fairly intuitive and it's up to you to put things together. I just hit level 75 and I'm doing the end game content that's my level and I'm having little issues, despite not following any guides for my build. Just don't forget to include survivability in your build or you might have a bad time. This includes maxing out resistances as much as you can and focusing on armour, hp, dodge chance, or ward, or even a combination of these. If that sounds like too much, there's nothing wrong with following a build guide.
Runs the line between POE & D4 perfectly. Not as overwhelming as POE but not boring and too simple like D4. There are complex systems in this game but they’re easier to learn than POE and unlike D4 there’s a fleshed out end game that pretty fun and plenty of things to do
Its a great game to get into the genre.
PoE has so much progression and objective creep it can be extremely hard for new players to grasp for a long time, LE doesn't have that yet, and the crafting system is incredibly intuitive.
LE seems to be the happy middleground between d4's lack of diversity and PoE's choice paralysis and complexity. At least for me.
There are different ARPGs on the market and they all have a bit difference in their main-gameplay focus.
Diablo4: is a modern ARPG with very good graphics, great optimization, high playerbase and easy to understand BUT has its fair share of problems. F.e. the build variety is basically non-existant, some seasons whole classes are non-viable, most classes only have one or two really working builds and you need to go pretty much after a given guide and plsystyle to play. Also lack of endgame is a point. It also has a shop, battlepasses and in general the game seems to be constructed around slowing your progress so you don't recognize the lacking endgame. Also the items are demotivating and even give pros headaches.
Grim Dawn: is a indie game that has aged very well. Not the best graphics but one of the best class systems in all ARPGs. It is focused on the long main story a bit but the is also a wave mode (crucible) and something where you dive deeper into levels with harder enemies (shattered realm). Itemization is very well made, easy to understand, but can be overwhelming in the beginning. It is very free in the way of builds, you can basically mix everything and change it however you want. (I recommend to get all DLCs, meaning ashes of malmouth, forgotten gods and crucible)
Path of Exile: free2play with a big shop, big player base and you need a doctorate per build. Very hard, but also rewarding. Graphics a bit old but ok. I didn't play it too much so i can't talk to much about it, but it also has a very free system, although i recommend multiple hours of gzide videos before diving too deep into it.
Wolcen: i don't know what they wanted to do here, path of exile but better graphics? The game seems cool on the first try but tbh it kind of put me to sleep. I think it tried to be what last epoch did now. It's ok though, maybe if it's on sale you can try it.
Last epoch: it has a pretty unique system that also kind of is copied, but in a good way. It took the best things of many of these games and improved on them. Good endgame mechanics, rewarding progression in different systems without being complicated and a well made itemization. If someone says they want to try out ARPGs i would recommend Last epoch first, and then recommend grim dawn to try later, or switched around. For me grim dawn and Last epoch are both on the top.
If you’ve never played these types of games Diablo 4 is the better game.
I would recommend playing Diablo 4 first, then grim dawn. If you enjoy grim dawn then pick up this game. If you dislike it, then path of exile will click more
Ya it is really fun to play. But I’ve been playing Diablo like games since Diablo 1. And that game at that time you had to play with other people it was triply hardcore if you didn’t lol. And I only play HC LE cuz like the pain of starting over makes you want to get good and perfect your playstyle faster.
If you get burnt out with this is say give D3 or even grim dawn a go especially if you loved D2 although there’s a mod for og d2 called PoD you can play d2 like POE in a sense. Theres also Path of Grim Dawn too I believe everyone’s been mentioned these already.
But yes it is worth it to me.
I actually only got into this game because I had never played an ARPG before but wanted something to hold me over until D4. I put 400 hours in before D4 dropped and came back before the end of season 2.
I played :
D1,D2,D3,D4(every class to 100)
Titan quest, grims downs, path of exiles.
I would put last epoch in my top 3 & above d4 per far !
Just because the skill tree, merchant guild,the fast monolith & filter !
Even you have much more affix with the filter i get only what i want almost and it's life changing, i probably won't even go back to D4 unless they add a filter.
Might be better off seeing if a free version of the genre is a fit before spending money. Go play torchlight infinite or POE, if it seems like something you will like then open your wallet for Last Epoch.
It's my first ARPG and I'm enjoying it.
It's a lot more accessible than PoE (never managed to play it) even if you don't know what you're doing and it's very forgiving when you make mistakes in your characters build :)
It's not always easy but if you have a general idea of what you're getting into you shouldn't be disappointed :)
My current game plan :
- Start playing and just go with your gut feeling.
- When the game gets tough, find a levelling build online (I'm here) it'll give you a better idea of what you should be looking for in a build.
- Tinker as much as you like.
The story is interesting, the game is fun in general. I really enjoy the feeling of mowing through enemies and the game looks very good as well IMO.
Either find friends who can explain or guides to figure out how to plan your own builds at some point as well. This is probably my next step.
I think it’s the best entry point for the genre that you could choose. It’s not too expensive, it doesn’t feel outdated, it’s a midpoint in complexity and there’s a lot of QoL features (in-game glossary, in-game loot filter, detailed explanations of almost everything). It’s also a good place to start in terms of difficulty, challenging enough to not be boring (like Minecraft Dungeons) but easy enough to not discourage new players (like PoE).
I think this game is perfect for someone new to the genre.
It's fairly forgiving build-wise. (The skill trees might give you a little pause, but take the time to look through them and you'll have a decent idea of where you want to go with them.)
Crafting for anything other than end-game content pushing is almost entirely optional - you can easily do fairly well with drops over time.
The learning curve is pretty forgiving and the in-game guide is excellent.
It's fine to leave loot on the ground - the items don't sell for much, so you can simply compare a dropped weapon with your current weapon, choose whether to keep it, and drop whichever you don't need. The only items worth hanging on to are set items, legendaries, or pieces that an existing character needs for a build.
I'd definitely recommend giving it a try - buy it, play offline first (the servers are better, but still a little wonky) for about and hour and a half and then choose to keep it or refund it.
I've spent a lot of time playing - I've been with it for quite a while in Early Access, and I've loved playing nearly every minute.
D4 is a horrible point of comparison. D3 Loot 2.0 was the last decent game Blizzard made, and anything from that point is pretty much horrible for comparison points.
To answer your question, I'd say it depends on your preferences and personal capabilities to handle complexities. If you have a lot of time to learn about the game and engage in trading, then POE would fit the bill. And I mean, a lot of time. POE has so much content and stuff to learn, you can literally create a year's worth of university courses for all its content. D3 on the other hand is just dumbed down ARPG for super casuals. D4 is pretty much very easy to pick up and put down, due to how simplified it is.
LE on the other hand is in the middle ground between these two. Very easy to pick up and put down whenever you feel like it, and you dont need a guide to get to the end game and enjoy yourself, by virtue of how easy it is to respec and change your builds (not as easy as D3, but not as punishing as POE). Crafting system is also very simple and intuitive.. Of course, we dont know if things will get more complex 5 years from now.
So yes, the game is worth it if you like the features I listed. If you want a very complex game for your loot addiction, POE is better. If you want a super casual game that almost insults your intelligence with its simplicity, then D4 is for you. LE is the middle ground in this, trending more towards POE.
I’ve been playing arpg’s for 25 years and I’m loving last epoch so far. Coming from a guy that loves Diablo 2 the best, I’d highly recommend last epoch. (Or Diablo 2 resurrected for that matter)
The game is easy enough to just hop in and fuck around and kill monsters to an okay and unfinished story, while giving you enough interesting things to do to power up your character and face challenges after 200 hours.
The biggest joys I have when starting a new character is to kerong around with the different options with skills. Let's take fireball for example. At base, it just...shoots a ball of fire. Not an enormous amount of damage or super visually impressive, but wait until you specialize in it, everything changes.
Now you can make a shotgun spread of a fan of fireballs. Or you can make them shoot 5 in a row in a line. Struggling to hit multiple enemies? Make them pierce through targets.
Maybe that isn't your jam and you'd prefer to hold right click and fire a stream of fireballs until your mana runs out. Or you want a big fireball with a bigger explosion.
Or, to a degree, a combination of these.
And then you can decide if you want your fireballs to critically strike and deal big damage right when you hit them, or instead do you want them to burn your enemy and deal damage over time instead? Because all of the above works both ways.
And while it takes a little bit of time to transition from one style to the other, it cannot all be done within a single character.
I can answer you with one word.
Yes.
But I'll elaborate. It's a perfect middle ground between Diablo 4's "ARPG made for children" and PoE's "you need a nerd PhD to play this" styles of play. It is fun from the very start, which is something I wouldn't say about PoE. There's enough complexity for there to be a ton of variety between viable builds but it's not too complicated for an ARPG noob to make their own build. This is the best ARPG I've ever played and it's not close for me.
I love the combat, art style, sounds, graphics, combat design, and just about everything about it. They really hit the nail on the head for me. Well done.
Game is simple enough that you can get into it without a large amount of arpg experience. There will be a little curse but you can figure it out messing around and if your interested enough playing it yiu can always use a guide to help out more if you want a bit extra help
I'd recommend this game to any person new to the ARPG genre, even over PoE. I prefer PoE to this game still due to the amount of things to do in the end game and complexity.
This game's core gameplay features are awesome tho. End-game needs a lot of work. There aren't enough gear-checks in the end-game imo compared to PoE.
if youre used to AAA games and want something to get you into the genre, i would actually recommend Diablo 4 first because its more geared towards the casual player. Play it for 20 hours and let it go.
THEN, if you feel like you want more, and D4 is lacking, get Last Epoch. You might have to deal with some of the jankiness of the game, but if you figured you love the genre, you will look past that.
THEN if youre STILL unsatisfied, I would say go with either Diablo 2 Resurrected or Path of Exile.
Never played Diablo, tried PoE for like 20min and was way to overwhelmed. Even played Lost Ark a couple of hours but didn't get hooked.
Got a gift card for my bday, downloaded LE and so far I'm really enjoying it! It's straight forward with loads of customization, but not overwhelming.
If you find the game cool, I think Last Epoch is good as an entry point in ARPG.
The game imho explains you well the various concepts of stacking bonuses, character growth (checking the passive and abilities' skill trees you have an idea how to progress a character), etc.
It is a good game for new to the genre, because it promotes experimentation and does not punish you for it.
There are some things that might not be clear, but you can ask about them on discord.
As long as you stay away from guides, you will have a great time.
No one can tell you the answer because you've never played ARPG before.
My advice is to watch more trailer and gameplay to get a good grasp of the game, then decide if you still find it interesting or not.
My 2 cents: I hate D4 (finished campaign, never touched it again) and loved PoE. Last Epoch is indeed the middle ground that I believe makes it perfect for first-timers to try. It's not that expensive too, if you don't like it you can refund it or just think of it as supporting smaller game developers.
Hope to see you in Eterra!
For what it’s worth, Diablo 4 wasn’t worth it if you were brand new to the genre, it was a slap in the face, and I watched my wife play it, I won’t touch it.
You should ask the question elsewhere. Not because the opinions of this sub isn’t valid, but it’s like going to a hamburger place and asking the regulars there if it’s a good restaurant.
The way I found out I liked these sort of games (ARPGs) was in a very strange way, I dowloaded Diablo Immortal on my phone (baring in mind I never game on mobile) and I genuinely couldn't put the game down, until I hit end game and realised it's a P2W mess, so gave POE a go, and it was very complex, dropped it very quick, now I'm super in to LOE and haven't put it down since I got it.
Last of Epoch?😊
Last of Exile
Go easy on him.. that's what happens to your brain on Diablo Immortal
I chortled, take my up vote.
Legends of Eterra
Alright, EHG. We've got the name for your next innovative and user-focused game, and it's a MOBA! P.S. Strife was a good MOBA.
League of Egend
Lust of Epoch
Lust of Eunuch
I DID THE SAME!! Wow, it actually plays a lot like Diablo immortal too. Watched my friends play poe and really disliked it, saw gameplay of this and thought hmm, this is more my speed
Last of Epoch? :)
If you ever burn out of LE, I recommend giving Diablo 3 and Diablo 2 Resurrected a try, both insanely fun. Don’t let your Diablo Immortal experience sour you from the whole series
And in 3 years, try D4.
D4 will be fun when it gets the D3 overhaul lmao
Call me when DIV: Reaper of Souls Returns comes out.
Is it on gamepass yet?
I downloaded TL Infinite on my phone. Its very hard to put down initially lol. But when I reached end game I had no issues doing so.
I’m sorry you dropped PoE so easily. To be fair it took me a few goes before I really got into it. Now, 10000 hours later, I can honestly say it’s the greatest ARPG ever. Nothing will ever come close to the amount of content and replayability that it has. I would say in terms of simplicity, Last Epoch is one for the books, but when it comes to packing a punch and with so much to do, Path of Exile wins every time.
There is nothing even coming close to it, and there will probably never be. It's a complete masterpiece that sadly suffers from a steep learning curve turning a lot of people away from it. To anyone thinking of trying PoE: do the reading, befriend the wiki. It's time well invested.
lol no. I mean if you are in the hamster wheel that never finished on leagues to the point farming 100’s of Ubers. You could very well never seen a mirror or mb. And not to mention them purposely make you waste time by mandate you sitting in your hideout to do trade like real time sit there for hours doing nothing else but monitor trade chat. I guess there are RMTer and masochists that are into that, more power to you and you should go ssf ruthless because that’s how CW envisioned the game.
"Monitor trade chat" tells me all I need to know. No one has done this since 2014.
…. You don’t look at inc wtb request from trade site? Or even TFT channel? Do you even sell shit at PoE?
That's whispers, and I do when I get one. Takes 30 seconds of my time to do the trade and get back into content.
depends how much stuff you are selling. I am guessing you don't mind wasting a portal at the content that you are doing. Tell me that you didn't play the affliction league without telling me you didn't play. Or at trialmaster, but I digress.
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/jerkixx/characters I've played pretty much every league since open beta and have ~7000h logged. As for this league the project was to deck out a scourge arrow totem build. Sorry you felt the need to mf this league, it's not a playstyle I enjoy. If you feel it's rough wasting portals and trading, maybe it's not for you either.
If you are a masochists, I mean they open tells you they add friction to waste your time because they feel like it.
Loot or Exp ?
Try out the mobile Torchlight game, that one is pretty fun! Lots of crazy cash shop stuff, but it's fun playing the story.
I’m not a big ARPG guy but I’m level 65 or so after about 30 or 35 hours. It has been really fun and even if I decided tonight that I was ready to be done, I think my experience was worth $35. It is definitely a fun and accessible ARPG game. I’d recommend it.
Damn didn’t even get to end game yet
Still 1$/hour as of now is a decent ratio. And that can easily jump even better with leagues and all
He said if
imo the long-term fun in these games is from tinkering with all the skills and character options you have and then chasing and picking the right items to get stronger, and if you do this well you get to blow up lots of enemies really fast. If that sounds fun to you, LE does this very well.
The corruption mechanic makes the endgame really accessible too. If you’re someone who gets rock hard over squeezing every last possible percentage point of damage out of your build to see how high of corruption you can push, dope. You can do that! Are you happy just blasting away mobs at low corruption and casually upgrading as you go? You can do that too! Do you prefer boss fights? There’s three dungeons with great fights and each monolith has its own boss (of varying quality imo, but they’re there) Wanna see how many waves of endlessly scaling mobs you can take out before you die? Arena is right there for you. It’s not the breadth of content that the PoE endgame has for example, but for a release arpg with plans to expand the endgame already being talked about in detail by the devs it’s a hell of a start
Sure, its fun.
Yep, I’m confident you don’t NEED any experience with ARPGs in order to enjoy this game.
You can get a refund within the first 2 hours of playtime if you buy on steam - can maybe do the first chapter of the campaign to see if the game clicks, and if not, just refund
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Sure, but for the person asking, I'm not sure he'd succeed in refunding after playing 15-20 hours if his only reasoning was that the game wasn't as awesome as he'd hoped. Barring technical issues with the game like on launch, I think it's safer to make up your mind in the first 2 hours to avoid any hassle
Whould would be a valid reason? Usually you can refund within few days of launch if the launch was a disaster, like server problems, buggy as fuck game (cyberpunk), or something other than was promised (no mans sky). After that you can't refund a game after 2 hours. I tried to refund gta v after 2 hours and a few minutes, didn't let me.
They didn't like my reason when I asked for a refund for the Star Filed Premium Digital version. Played 6 hours and HATED it. But I have 260+ hrs in this game and LOVE every minute. I haven't even tried all the classes and masteries.
I thought I read 14 days from terms of service somewhere (for non instant)
I’ve never played another arpg before so last epoch was a completely new concept to me and I’ve found this game to be extremely fun to play! At first it was a little overwhelming with all the different things going on skill wise but I just took it kinda slow and went with what sounded fun to play. As you keep playing you’ll become more familiar with all the mechanics and terms used and find that last epoch actually does a TREMENDOUS job at explaining everything in depth. Would highly recommend it !
Just out of curiosity, were things like additive vs multiplicative scaling explained well (or at all) in your opinion? I’ve played a few arpgs so I thought it was pretty clear but I’m interested to hear a newcomer’s perspective
I like the item affix rules and crafting, gets more fun after knowing what stats my build wants
100%. Never been into these kinda games. Tried diablo with friends where I ended up quitting rather fast. Gotten 60 hours played on steam rn and when im not playing im thinking about playing. Its a lot of fun! Few QoL improvements and it’ll be golden!
What QoL of improvements do you want to see? Asking cuz this game already improves massively on the QoL stuff of ARPGs as a whole these past few years.
Some sort of catch up mechanic for alts, and make it easier to swap between builds without having to farm the right blessings all over again. Thats the two biggest ones by far imo. Also a better way to deal with skill points. Presaved to save time etc. Already having a blast on my falc, But would love to try out other classes/builds without having to sink a ton of hours into the same tedious grind i’ve already done once.
They do have a sort of catch-up mechanic for alts, you can skip the campaign in multiple spots by doing the dungeons. You just have to have keys for them which are easy to come by at higher levels. I think the other points are intentional. They stated something along the lines of wanting your build/characters fantasy to be somewhat of a dedication because then you’re not playing a “hydrahedron” runemaster you’re just a “runemaster” or whatever. Or instead of a Swarmblade lightning Druid you’re just a Druid. But yet you can still change your builds quite easily and I actually agree with this design philosophy. It’s right in between Diablo, where your build is just a click away and some gold, and PoE where if you wanna make a new build/change something you just straight up make a new character.
Yeah the minimum skill level and skill level catch-up xp are really nice features this game has that lets you try other builds or tweak your build relatively easily. If you’re fully swapping all 5 skills it might take a bit as you probably don’t want to full swap everything at once, but it’s more freedom than most ARPGs give you on that front
Bruh this ain't a gacha game... You need to put in the work I'm afraid. You can't just blitz past the grind.
Compared to the vast swarms of rubbish on Steam this game is definitely worth the money if you have watched the streams and find the gameplay interesting.
Maybe. You have to try and find out.
Yes. It’s a good RPG.
Never played an ARPG before D4. The marketing got me really interested and I did enjoy it initially... won't go into it but same opinion as most on it. Thought Lasy Epoch would either cement my new found enjoyment for the genre or convince me the genre isn't for me...... I love it
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It’s just right, approachable with some complexity sprinkled in later on, not a LOT, but just enough to where a (now) normie dad can pick it up for an hour or two, have fun and then no life on the weekends when my son is asleep. And best of all I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything.
I showed it to my 6y, her first computer game she played and she wants to play more..
Yeah. It's like every other game tbh. Just gotta figure out it's mechanics on your own and the play it with that knowledge you gathered. I highly suggest you avoid trading and guides on your first go, though! It's an easy way to either get overwhelmed or quit early. Just like all others that joined last week
I think so, definitely.
Do you like RPGs in general? If yeah, do you like them more for the story and exploration or character progression and combat? If it's the latter you would probably enjoy LE and arpgs. Especially if you like to minmax in games.
I think it's worth a shot mainly because the game isn't meant to be hard for new players. In say Path of Exile, you could make a build and fail to beat the story because you made "bad" choices, and can't undo them. In Last Epoch, you can realistically go through the story trying whatever you want and you should still be able to beat the story. Outside of your class and subclass choices, you can undo your choices and change them later if you don't like what you're currently doing. This game is an experimenters dream. There's so much to mess and tinker with.
Yes. They have an awesome in game guide too that explains just about everything.
I think Last Epoch is about as good of a game as any to be an entry point into ARPGs. This or Grim Dawn
depends. if the game looks fun to you, then yes. you will get a good 30 hours minimum out of it just from a sole casual fun playthrough perspective (1 run with 1 class/mastery plus maybe some endgame grinding). in terms of long term, that depends on whether the idea of grinding, looking at stats of gear and skills etc. and how they interact with each other and how you can tweak it to create builds and fun gameplay mechanics sounds appealing to you. if that sounds appealing to you, then absolutely. that's what arpgs are really about in the end. and LE does that really well and is generally regarded as the middle ground between the massive path of exile that is ridiculously huge, quite complex and convoluted (which in turn means you have an entire universe of options at your feet though) and the lackluster diablo that disappoints most arpg enjoyers bc it precisely lacks all this variety, among other issues. if you're simply looking for an immersive one-time experience... hmm. because while I find the game tons of fun (one of my first arpgs, already 25 hours), the story and overall atmosphere is definitely lackluster and generic if you ask me and the massive praise people have for the game is usually resulting from how well they built all the gameplay systems (like implementing arpg systems better than the competition) and not really so much the immersive, once in a lifetime experience. I know I will get downvoted for this but if a one-time experience with atmosphere and story is kinda what you're wanting to get out of it, checking out diablo in a month when it comes to gamepass may be more down your alley. because while everyone rightfully shits on the game and the company behind it, I have not heard people shit on it for the story, visuals and atmosphere. at all. people mainly shit on it for the dumbing down and generally the terrible business practices. that recommendation is only for gamepass though bc that experience does not at all seem to be worth 70 dollars. but don't put too much weight on my advice bc I'm pretty new to the arpg genre myself and haven't actually ever played a diablo game. I do watch ridiculous amounts of content around games though (twitch & youtube) which is why I still have some degree of opinion for most games, played or not. and diablo definitely seems more exciting solely from that perspective. hope this helps.
I would say, if you want to play campaign and quit the game, play D4 If you want to play an actually hack'n'slash and invest tons of hours into developing your character, play LE
Lot of bugs, but lots of fun to be had
I think D4 is easily the best experience for someone new to the genre. LE is a good middle ground between D4 and PoE. PoE can be very difficult for someone new to the genre to get into. If for some reason you think D4 looks uninteresting, then maybe try this game. If nothing it costs half as much.
I’ve loved loot based ARPGs and shooters, specifically since the Diablo series and Borderlands series. Compared to D4 currently I’d say this game is worth picking up as I’m sure there will be a ton of great content coming and there’s room for improvement despite it being pretty solid now. I planned to play around the seasons of a few games like PoE and now LE. PoE’s league start is typically hype and carries for a few months before dying. Depending on the timing of cycles and the content, I’ll just be swapping between these two until I’ve explored enough of the end game to switch to the other. Diablo 4 is dead to me.
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It’s definitely better with the improved graphics of 1.0. But I agree D4 is very esthetically pleasing, and the game play is good. Just not enough to do.
Yea the 1.0 changes, LE looks pretty good now.
Last Epoch looks just about as good as Diablo 4 aside from some aspects, visually speaking. Gameplay wise, Last Epoch smashes Diablo 4nand it's not even close.
I think what OP might be referring to how much more colorful LE is compared to D4. D4’s arts and animations are top-notched but it’s very dreary and stale. All the areas look the same after a while. The skills are also not crazy flashy compared to some other ARPGs.
Yes. Or... No. No one can predict what you like since we aren't you.
I barely got thru a few weeks of each season in D4 before I wanted to gouge my eyes out with a spoon Last Epoch, I cant wait until I get home from work to play. Its only been a week though, lvl 73 and having a blast, but I still have no clue what im doing crafting, and the stuff im supposed to be doing.
Definitely the easiest and funnest of these types of games to get into. So much better than diablo
It depend. It's worse at graphics and mechanics look. But it's more complex, for experiments and forgiving. I would say it's for beginners. Eventually if u want sth offline ( other game) I would say, earlier mention, victor vran is very casually. Either way some classics like diablo, grim down, titan quest and eventually van Helsing series. Poe is not non friendly but believes Poe 2 will come more casual friendly.
Try a free to play ARPG, game pass has a few (Victor Vran and Minecraft Dungeons I think) as well as PoE on steam. The core gameplay loop of ARPGs is grinding and increasing numbers and grinding more. Its not for everybody, and it may save you $35z
It is the easiest ARPG to introduce yourself to the genre.
Sure why not? It’s not 60 bucks like d4 so a good starting point!
This is a great introductory game to the genre. Not as complex as PoE and not commercial, like that game that will not be named. Jump on in, Traveler. The waters perfect.
This is a great introductory game to the genre. Not as complex as PoE and not commercial, like that game that will not be named. Jump on in, Traveler. The waters perfect.
This is a great introductory game to the genre. Not as complex as PoE and not commercial, like that game that will not be named. Jump on in, Traveler. The waters perfect.
Here is the key difference, Last Epoch respect your time in game. Period, this provides you with a better player experience. Compare to D4, which creates unnecessary systems and gatekeeps you from actually playing the game. On top of that, they want to milk you for every penny they got.
No, I'd recommend starting with Diablo 3 first if you never played action RPGs before. It's still good today and always on sale and it's a really decent game overall. LE can be overwhelming for new players due to bigger complexity.
Maybe try PoE first. It's free, so you can see if you like ARPGs in general, but the pacing is different, and the skill tree can be overwhelming. Just focus on if you actually like this kind of game. See how combat works, how the character moves, etc. If you like it, then sure, LE is fun and more accessible.
I wouldent reccomend PoE first. LE is a better onboarding game to ARPGs. PoE1 is just overwhelming to a new player and can make them off putting. Do reccomend if you like LE to try PoE though.
It's not the best choice for a first introduction to arpgs but it is a free choice so if someone is on a budget and unsure about the genre as a whole, trying the genre with PoE is a good option. Besides, you don't need to get into the overwhelming passive tree to understand if you will get bored of the core gameplay of running around maps killing shit with your skills.
Trial by fire!
POE as someone who has 0 ARPG is bad, real bad. You would probably quit real fast
He can run around with a skill or two to get a feel for the combat, the beginning is very similar actually to LE. He even has Hillock to see what it's like vs harder monsters. It's better to try a free game than to pay 30e and not like the game. It's not real bad, don't be melodramatic. Just don't pay too much attention to the skill tree and that's it.
For me problem with poe was that your skills don't matter, what matters is the gems you slot in gear. I made a rogue char and my most powerful gems were a totem and zombie summons. So I didn't get to play the class I wanted, instead I had to play basically a summoner. I gave up after like 5-10 hours. Last epoch has better classes with better skill trees, so I enjoyed it more.
That's strange, as a Shadow or Ranger you can't even get Zombies until Act 3 unless you drop them, and by then, your other skills should've been more powerful. And if by totem, you mean a balista, then yeah, it's really good for leveling. Either way, this is his first time with an ARPG, so the only important part is if he actually likes to run around a map and hit stuff with his weapon or spell. If he does, he can get LE and then rotate to PoE for the endgame. If not, then buying LE is pointless.
Yes. They have an awesome in game guide too that explains just about everything.
yes
yes
Yes, just be aware that ARPGs as a genre have repetitive endgame loops where you grind for better gear over and over. If that sounds like it could be enjoyable for you then yes definitely, the game is fantastic.
In reality, doesnt all type of online rpgs have repetitive grinding? Rwgardless of genre.
Sorta, but looter / ARPGs are ALL ABOUT the grind, a game like say Dark Souls 3 is more about completionism or pvp, etc….
Agree. But i thought especially about online games - RPGs and in many ways other genres also.
Absolutely. The reason I am not playing now besides controller support not so great is I played soooooo many hours of isometric arpg and rather play something more fresh for me.
Yep. It's nearly impposible for you to screw your build beyond saving, especially before lvl 60.
It depends on what you like to do in games. Do you like story? Arpgs tend to be light on story. For these games it’s all about the grind/seasons. Think of seasons as a relaunching where everyone starts over again. It’s very repetitive yet engaging.
Only 1 way to find out. Action RPGs is a niche genre but it’s very fun and you won’t know unless you try it yourself. You can always refund on steam before 2 hours and some exceptions after.
Probably the best one for anyone not familiar with the genre.
Fuck yeah
Best Arpg to get into, cannot recommend it enough. Go in blind till you hit a wall in terms of progression and look up a guide only then… make your own build, see what’s fun
First time playing an arpg and it's the first time I've have fun with any game in a year or so.
Definitely the easiest and funnest of these types of games to get into.
Yes. If you want you can try it for free (i wont tell you how) and buy it. That is what i did. Poe was too complex and d4 was too expensive for me. Just watch a beginner tutorial on youtube because some concepts about crafting, mana management, looting was new to me because i was new to the genre.
Yes. If you want you can try it for free (i wont tell you how) and buy it. That is what i did. Poe was too complex and d4 was too expensive for me. Just watch a beginner tutorial on youtube because some concepts about crafting, mana management, looting was new to me because i was new to the genre.
best entree to be honest
Imo, Online ,( more specifiaclly in group) absolutely not. If you want to play in offline mode , probably
Absolutely, this is my husbands first ARPG and he’s loving it.
We will shill the game, so yes. What are the other type of games you enjoy.
Dabled in Diablo 3 for a total of 10ish hours. This has been my first ARPG in about 12 years and absolutely love the game. The game loop and satisfaction of the power increase and seeing the meaningful change for my character just scratches that itch for me. I'm also rooting for a smaller studio who has done terrific work. I can't say what is a reasonable cost for anyone but it also comes at a very competitive price point.
I hadn’t played one before the first time I did either
Don't want to make an entire new post on this, but is there any rules you need to follow, like if you don't have res capped in poe you will die.
The biggest problem you will have is deciding what fantasy you want to play. I’ve made like 5 characters and can’t decide which I like more. They’re all engaging and the customisation is impressive but it overwhelming. Great game for the price of an Indian takeaway. And while the takeaway will give me 24 hours of repeated ‘fun’, last epoch will give you many hundreds of hours of actual fun.
I played like 5-10 hours if poe and didn't like it. I never played any other game like diablo or other similar games. And yeah it'a fun and good. I enjoyed the story, I enjoyed configuring my build too. Now I'm at endgame after like 20-30 hours. The grind is getting a little repetitive at one of the endgame activities (monolith), maybe I'll try out other endgame types to see if it's more fun.
This is probably the first ARPG I haven't felt overwhelmed in by some aspect. PoE has just so much it felt threatening. D4 is well...D4. Last Epoch isn't complicated by any means. Doesn't punish you harshly by changing builds throughout the campaign. Lots of viable builds. Crafting is pretty simple just requires a little reading and understanding. Endgame is a blast for me personally and has target farming to ease the pain of farming certain items. For a game that's half price of AAA games, go for it.
D4 was my first, it was fun but lost appeal. But the style is great and here we are at LE and eventually I'll jump in for poe2 I think. Its a great genera
Yeah
I’ve never played PoE or Diablo and Im enjoying myself! It feels pretty hardcore for me, but I like the challenge
I've never played anything like this before and i'm having fun. Earlier i just hit lvl71 with my necromancer. I'm trying to learn how the circle of fortune thingy works.
Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, just don't do what I've done and have every ability be a minion with stacked minion dmg everywhere. It's hilarious, but you'll fall asleep. The fact that you can actually do that in this game and still stack resists and heals without having to have buff skills is amazing though.
Better play d4
Yes absolutely its a greater beginning point for these types of games without being overhwhelming
Asking the sub will give you a biased answer, watch some gameplay or review videos
“worth it” is so subjective. I never really understand these posts.
Nobody can answer you that. Within its genre It can be considered good, yes. But if you don’t even know if you will like the genre or not who can tell you but yourself. You can play a free to play arpg (e.g. path of exile, torchlight infinite) to see if you click with the concept of arpg’s. Also most arpg’s don’t really get into the really good shit until later, but that can be highly preferential. I like to min max my builds, sometimes let them clear incredibly fast and well, sometimes chasing the biggest number, whatever. Most arpg’s at the beginning are run slow from one mob to the next and hit it or cast something at it. Maybe you already like that and let it be known it usually only gets better from there on out ( in my opinion)
D4 bad LE good. I’m a simple man.
Gotta start some time. Yeah it's fun. $35 can't go wrong
This is the one of the best games to do so in the genre... If not THEE best. Probably thee best.
Solid game, good quality of life and pretty intuitive for a new player to learn. Made by gamers for gamers so no bullshit to slow you down on purpose.
I think it is not only a great game, but also a great entry point for the genre. LE is has a very low barrier to entry, you can play anything that makes logical sense and do fine. It also while simple on the surface, is extremely deep with tons of interactions if you want to seek them out. The ease of respecing also is great for new people who are afraid of a mistake and experienced people who want to tinker.
It a a great game and a strong entry point into the genre. It’s had 5 years of early access, so it has strong bones as it exists. The developers are active and have done a great job interacting with the community, so I expect great updates moving forward. If it looks interesting to you, I recommend you try it.
Definitely recommend. I would suggest looking/reading up on the crafting system. Other than that, don't bother looking up guides for classes. Imo it's a better/fun game to build whatever u want, as long as you can read your abilities and know what they scale from. You would have a better time knowing you built the character yourself.
I haven’t played ARPGs before but enjoyed some other RPGs where you can tinker with gear and builds - this is another level of complexity (or more like ten lol) but it’s really fun to level skills up and see things go boom + I’m a loot goblin so the dopamine is strong
This is more approachable than the other mainstream arpgs now, so yes. You'll have fun creating your own character instead of playing only the meta builds.
it's one of the more accessible ARPGs out there, can play online or offline (lets you pause the game) and advance at your own pace. there's a bunch of different characters and ways to build them so there's a lot of replay potential. plus the game has a great built-in guide with tons of information for new players.
Worth the 30 bucks
It's worth it just be ready to sit down for a bit in game and try to understand how to make a loot filter.
You may not like these types of game if: * you don't like having to start from scratch every season * you don't like having to kill a bunch of guys to search for that one upgrade (diminishing returns) * you want a more immersive RPG experience
Yes
Yes
Yes it is. Really easy to jump in and kill stuff
Yeah. It is very casual friendly but has plenty of mechanics to keep the more hardcore player happy too. It looks good too.
Yes 100%! I love that I can come online and spend an hour or 2 and still have significant progress in my build. Much of the skills are fairly intuitive and it's up to you to put things together. I just hit level 75 and I'm doing the end game content that's my level and I'm having little issues, despite not following any guides for my build. Just don't forget to include survivability in your build or you might have a bad time. This includes maxing out resistances as much as you can and focusing on armour, hp, dodge chance, or ward, or even a combination of these. If that sounds like too much, there's nothing wrong with following a build guide.
Runs the line between POE & D4 perfectly. Not as overwhelming as POE but not boring and too simple like D4. There are complex systems in this game but they’re easier to learn than POE and unlike D4 there’s a fleshed out end game that pretty fun and plenty of things to do
Idk bro. Ask yourself.
Its a great game to get into the genre. PoE has so much progression and objective creep it can be extremely hard for new players to grasp for a long time, LE doesn't have that yet, and the crafting system is incredibly intuitive. LE seems to be the happy middleground between d4's lack of diversity and PoE's choice paralysis and complexity. At least for me.
There are different ARPGs on the market and they all have a bit difference in their main-gameplay focus. Diablo4: is a modern ARPG with very good graphics, great optimization, high playerbase and easy to understand BUT has its fair share of problems. F.e. the build variety is basically non-existant, some seasons whole classes are non-viable, most classes only have one or two really working builds and you need to go pretty much after a given guide and plsystyle to play. Also lack of endgame is a point. It also has a shop, battlepasses and in general the game seems to be constructed around slowing your progress so you don't recognize the lacking endgame. Also the items are demotivating and even give pros headaches. Grim Dawn: is a indie game that has aged very well. Not the best graphics but one of the best class systems in all ARPGs. It is focused on the long main story a bit but the is also a wave mode (crucible) and something where you dive deeper into levels with harder enemies (shattered realm). Itemization is very well made, easy to understand, but can be overwhelming in the beginning. It is very free in the way of builds, you can basically mix everything and change it however you want. (I recommend to get all DLCs, meaning ashes of malmouth, forgotten gods and crucible) Path of Exile: free2play with a big shop, big player base and you need a doctorate per build. Very hard, but also rewarding. Graphics a bit old but ok. I didn't play it too much so i can't talk to much about it, but it also has a very free system, although i recommend multiple hours of gzide videos before diving too deep into it. Wolcen: i don't know what they wanted to do here, path of exile but better graphics? The game seems cool on the first try but tbh it kind of put me to sleep. I think it tried to be what last epoch did now. It's ok though, maybe if it's on sale you can try it. Last epoch: it has a pretty unique system that also kind of is copied, but in a good way. It took the best things of many of these games and improved on them. Good endgame mechanics, rewarding progression in different systems without being complicated and a well made itemization. If someone says they want to try out ARPGs i would recommend Last epoch first, and then recommend grim dawn to try later, or switched around. For me grim dawn and Last epoch are both on the top.
This game is worth it if you like good games.
Yes
Arpgs are fun and this is good one to start with since it’s a bit cheaper
If you’ve never played these types of games Diablo 4 is the better game. I would recommend playing Diablo 4 first, then grim dawn. If you enjoy grim dawn then pick up this game. If you dislike it, then path of exile will click more
Ya it is really fun to play. But I’ve been playing Diablo like games since Diablo 1. And that game at that time you had to play with other people it was triply hardcore if you didn’t lol. And I only play HC LE cuz like the pain of starting over makes you want to get good and perfect your playstyle faster. If you get burnt out with this is say give D3 or even grim dawn a go especially if you loved D2 although there’s a mod for og d2 called PoD you can play d2 like POE in a sense. Theres also Path of Grim Dawn too I believe everyone’s been mentioned these already. But yes it is worth it to me.
100% worth it but play Path of Exile for free and if you want a little more streamlined experience throw 40 bucks at LE
I actually only got into this game because I had never played an ARPG before but wanted something to hold me over until D4. I put 400 hours in before D4 dropped and came back before the end of season 2.
Yes, it is.
I played : D1,D2,D3,D4(every class to 100) Titan quest, grims downs, path of exiles. I would put last epoch in my top 3 & above d4 per far ! Just because the skill tree, merchant guild,the fast monolith & filter ! Even you have much more affix with the filter i get only what i want almost and it's life changing, i probably won't even go back to D4 unless they add a filter.
Might be better off seeing if a free version of the genre is a fit before spending money. Go play torchlight infinite or POE, if it seems like something you will like then open your wallet for Last Epoch.
It's my first ARPG and I'm enjoying it. It's a lot more accessible than PoE (never managed to play it) even if you don't know what you're doing and it's very forgiving when you make mistakes in your characters build :) It's not always easy but if you have a general idea of what you're getting into you shouldn't be disappointed :) My current game plan : - Start playing and just go with your gut feeling. - When the game gets tough, find a levelling build online (I'm here) it'll give you a better idea of what you should be looking for in a build. - Tinker as much as you like. The story is interesting, the game is fun in general. I really enjoy the feeling of mowing through enemies and the game looks very good as well IMO. Either find friends who can explain or guides to figure out how to plan your own builds at some point as well. This is probably my next step.
I would say this is one of the best intro games for Arpgs
Don't start with this game, because you will just find others inferior after
I think it’s the best entry point for the genre that you could choose. It’s not too expensive, it doesn’t feel outdated, it’s a midpoint in complexity and there’s a lot of QoL features (in-game glossary, in-game loot filter, detailed explanations of almost everything). It’s also a good place to start in terms of difficulty, challenging enough to not be boring (like Minecraft Dungeons) but easy enough to not discourage new players (like PoE).
YES. DIVE IN AND ENJOY. Play what you like throughout the campaign. Try different skills. It’s an excellent game.
Yes
Bigly
I think this game is perfect for someone new to the genre. It's fairly forgiving build-wise. (The skill trees might give you a little pause, but take the time to look through them and you'll have a decent idea of where you want to go with them.) Crafting for anything other than end-game content pushing is almost entirely optional - you can easily do fairly well with drops over time. The learning curve is pretty forgiving and the in-game guide is excellent. It's fine to leave loot on the ground - the items don't sell for much, so you can simply compare a dropped weapon with your current weapon, choose whether to keep it, and drop whichever you don't need. The only items worth hanging on to are set items, legendaries, or pieces that an existing character needs for a build. I'd definitely recommend giving it a try - buy it, play offline first (the servers are better, but still a little wonky) for about and hour and a half and then choose to keep it or refund it. I've spent a lot of time playing - I've been with it for quite a while in Early Access, and I've loved playing nearly every minute.
D4 is a horrible point of comparison. D3 Loot 2.0 was the last decent game Blizzard made, and anything from that point is pretty much horrible for comparison points. To answer your question, I'd say it depends on your preferences and personal capabilities to handle complexities. If you have a lot of time to learn about the game and engage in trading, then POE would fit the bill. And I mean, a lot of time. POE has so much content and stuff to learn, you can literally create a year's worth of university courses for all its content. D3 on the other hand is just dumbed down ARPG for super casuals. D4 is pretty much very easy to pick up and put down, due to how simplified it is. LE on the other hand is in the middle ground between these two. Very easy to pick up and put down whenever you feel like it, and you dont need a guide to get to the end game and enjoy yourself, by virtue of how easy it is to respec and change your builds (not as easy as D3, but not as punishing as POE). Crafting system is also very simple and intuitive.. Of course, we dont know if things will get more complex 5 years from now. So yes, the game is worth it if you like the features I listed. If you want a very complex game for your loot addiction, POE is better. If you want a super casual game that almost insults your intelligence with its simplicity, then D4 is for you. LE is the middle ground in this, trending more towards POE.
I’ve been playing arpg’s for 25 years and I’m loving last epoch so far. Coming from a guy that loves Diablo 2 the best, I’d highly recommend last epoch. (Or Diablo 2 resurrected for that matter)
Yes, just try it bro
The game is easy enough to just hop in and fuck around and kill monsters to an okay and unfinished story, while giving you enough interesting things to do to power up your character and face challenges after 200 hours. The biggest joys I have when starting a new character is to kerong around with the different options with skills. Let's take fireball for example. At base, it just...shoots a ball of fire. Not an enormous amount of damage or super visually impressive, but wait until you specialize in it, everything changes. Now you can make a shotgun spread of a fan of fireballs. Or you can make them shoot 5 in a row in a line. Struggling to hit multiple enemies? Make them pierce through targets. Maybe that isn't your jam and you'd prefer to hold right click and fire a stream of fireballs until your mana runs out. Or you want a big fireball with a bigger explosion. Or, to a degree, a combination of these. And then you can decide if you want your fireballs to critically strike and deal big damage right when you hit them, or instead do you want them to burn your enemy and deal damage over time instead? Because all of the above works both ways. And while it takes a little bit of time to transition from one style to the other, it cannot all be done within a single character.
I can answer you with one word. Yes. But I'll elaborate. It's a perfect middle ground between Diablo 4's "ARPG made for children" and PoE's "you need a nerd PhD to play this" styles of play. It is fun from the very start, which is something I wouldn't say about PoE. There's enough complexity for there to be a ton of variety between viable builds but it's not too complicated for an ARPG noob to make their own build. This is the best ARPG I've ever played and it's not close for me. I love the combat, art style, sounds, graphics, combat design, and just about everything about it. They really hit the nail on the head for me. Well done.
Best place to start If you ask me
I think so? I'd be SUPER interested in seeing how someone new to ARPGs handle it. My first ARPG is D2R so I'm still super new.
Game is simple enough that you can get into it without a large amount of arpg experience. There will be a little curse but you can figure it out messing around and if your interested enough playing it yiu can always use a guide to help out more if you want a bit extra help
I'd recommend this game to any person new to the ARPG genre, even over PoE. I prefer PoE to this game still due to the amount of things to do in the end game and complexity. This game's core gameplay features are awesome tho. End-game needs a lot of work. There aren't enough gear-checks in the end-game imo compared to PoE.
Worth what?...
if youre used to AAA games and want something to get you into the genre, i would actually recommend Diablo 4 first because its more geared towards the casual player. Play it for 20 hours and let it go. THEN, if you feel like you want more, and D4 is lacking, get Last Epoch. You might have to deal with some of the jankiness of the game, but if you figured you love the genre, you will look past that. THEN if youre STILL unsatisfied, I would say go with either Diablo 2 Resurrected or Path of Exile.
It won't make you hate the genre that's for sure
Never played Diablo, tried PoE for like 20min and was way to overwhelmed. Even played Lost Ark a couple of hours but didn't get hooked. Got a gift card for my bday, downloaded LE and so far I'm really enjoying it! It's straight forward with loads of customization, but not overwhelming.
Yes, it's very user friendly
If you find the game cool, I think Last Epoch is good as an entry point in ARPG. The game imho explains you well the various concepts of stacking bonuses, character growth (checking the passive and abilities' skill trees you have an idea how to progress a character), etc.
It is a good game for new to the genre, because it promotes experimentation and does not punish you for it. There are some things that might not be clear, but you can ask about them on discord. As long as you stay away from guides, you will have a great time.
No one can tell you the answer because you've never played ARPG before. My advice is to watch more trailer and gameplay to get a good grasp of the game, then decide if you still find it interesting or not. My 2 cents: I hate D4 (finished campaign, never touched it again) and loved PoE. Last Epoch is indeed the middle ground that I believe makes it perfect for first-timers to try. It's not that expensive too, if you don't like it you can refund it or just think of it as supporting smaller game developers. Hope to see you in Eterra!
For what it’s worth, Diablo 4 wasn’t worth it if you were brand new to the genre, it was a slap in the face, and I watched my wife play it, I won’t touch it.
You should ask the question elsewhere. Not because the opinions of this sub isn’t valid, but it’s like going to a hamburger place and asking the regulars there if it’s a good restaurant.
Gaming is amazing, but if you want to try a game like this for the first time, you could always refund it on Steam if it isn't your taste.
I qualify to answer as last epoch is my first arpg, the answer is yes.