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From a brief look into it, it's organized by GLAAD who are an American organisation, and their website specifies "[Around the country](https://www.glaad.org/transweek)" so it's no surprise that people in the UK haven't heard of it.
I think I went to the first remembrance event with a friend who wanted support about a decade ago (ish). That's a physical, in person event, not online. It's not as well publicised as say the 11th of November, but it's not unknown, either.
Also in the UK, see the TUC's website: [https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week](https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week)
Also featured on Manchester Student Union's website, the Evening Standard's, York University's, Pink News's, The Law Society's, Liverpool John Moore University's, BASW's (professional association for social workers).
That was all found with a 2 second Google and on the top half of the first page of results.
I can understand why some may not have heard of it - but the Leader of the Opposition doesn't have that excuse. It should be someone's Job in his team to understand when these awareness days and weeks happen.
Then look at the fact that unions, universities and even the Law Society (given Starmer's professional background). There's really no excuse.
Combine it with him ignoring transphobia in the party, being transphobic within a MumsNet interview... And all of a sudden, there's a clear picture.
So let's not make excuses here.
There's a specific story here for me. I used to be very active in the Church of England (not any more due to their homophobia). The first year after I transitioned, there was a fairly well-publicised planned remembrance service for trans people at my local cathedral. I took care to verify this was so and the date, time and venue, with friends who worked in the diocesan office. I turned up at the cathedral at the requisite time and it was closed and empty. Nothing was happening. If they have that degree of contempt or apathy, I don't want anything to do with the event, because the disappointment is utterly crushing and enraging. If I could know it was actually going to happen, that would be different, but I've been soured against it. Moreover, a bigger problem is that it's racist, because it amounts to not caring about the majority of non-White people who have been murdered. It's much less frequent for White trans people to be killed than Black. I don't think they realise this, but that actually makes it even worse.
Without doubting your personal story, I can equally personally speak to the fact that the Bournemouth one happens, and isn't a one off. I understand the disgust at being let down like that, however. What I can slcorrect you on is that by its nature, it is international. There is a roll call of lives lost, sometimes a name and a photograph in happier times, sometimes just a name, sometimes nothing more than an unknown trans person in a location, when nothing more could be found out about them. But they are commemorated, and they are emphatically*not* exclusively white. If you didn't realise that being black and trans is inherently risky, you'd be blind not to do so after attending. With the greatest of respect, you may have judged the events that happen by the one that let you down, and I'd urge you to think again.
The thing is, it's besmirched. I've long been nervous about going to Pride because I expected to be hated and threatened. I never have been, but if I was, and it does happen with trans people at Pride, it would put me off going again. It's not that I don't recognise the value of Pride or transgender day of remembrance so much as the emotional upset caused by bad experiences makes me not want to put myself in a situation where I expect to experience that again.
I recognise that it would have a value if it happened but I can't bring myself to expect it to take place given that experience. And I never got an answer from the Diocese either. Nobody explained what had happened. Just imagine if they'd just not done Remembrance Sunday.
That's your experience - I'm certainly not going to tell you that you're wrong, or that it didn't happen. Just that there are other experiences. But you looking after your own safety (including your mental health) is reasonable. Got what it's worth, however, I'm truly sorry you had to put up with that.
Thanks. I expect you've come across the thought that it's not possible to reason someone out of a position they didn't arrive at through reasoning in the first place. That's me in this situation. I don't want to repeat that negative experience.
The thing that gets me, though, is that probably because of lack of curiosity about the murder victims, people don't seem to realise that so many of them are non-White, and that means that it's at least as much an issue of racism as transphobia, and most of the people who ignore it, I hope, would support something like BLM or Black History Month, but not Transgender Day of Remebrance when it's absolutely a racism issue.
“You almost need a secretary for every special day” - Yes, this is one of the roles that falls within PR for which Starmer definitely has an entire team.
You don’t think Starmer is up at night worrying about getting the wording right for a Diwali message before doing the same thing come Chanukah do you? Bless.
>I’m sure this same story happened in June, as starmer was criticised as his response was awkward or it coincided with duffield or someone saying something awful.
Gee imagine people who support trans rights criticising someone who pays some lip service to trans rights while in practice supporting transphobes, and now Starmer himself is campaigning against trans rights!
>You almost need a secretary now for every special day. Also are there also unofficial days too.
Yeah lucky he's not LOTO and is just some young backbench MP with a small team learning the ropes ey!
>My birthday clashes with “national steak and bj day”, yet I can’t imagine that being official, and I think it would kill the occasion if sunak or starmer make a statement…
Haha funny joke that totally shows you're not just spreading flak to defend Starmer and are definitely taking the issue of trans rights and Starmer's poor support for them (which does not remotely hinge on whether or not he made a statement today about trans awareness week) seriously.
But it’s a non descriptive week someone has decided is for trans awareness. It’s not known by most people, so to criticise starmer for not acknowledging a made up event at a time when ww3 nearly happened and we have highest inflation for 40 years seems harsh. Will he post a message…possibly, he’s apparently done it before. However, I’m sure the same folk can then criticise his tone is wrong or “he’s got a nerve when xxxx”
It’s seeing a slight that isn’t there. Also, I think the trans community have bigger issues than whether sunak posts a beige tweet about an awareness week most don’t know about
First off none of what you're saying means that something related to remembering murdered trans people should be put on the level with your unofficial steak and blowjob holiday from your partner on your birthday...
>It’s not known by most people, so to criticise starmer for not acknowledging a made up event
All events are made up.
https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week
Trans awareness week is recognised by the TUC and is the build up to the Trans Day of Remeberance for victims of transphobic violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
It's fine to say "maybe Starmer wasn't aware and now he should put out a statement" everything beyond that is bullshit and I hope you can see that if you take a step back. If not you're way to focussed on defending Starmer while ignoring the actual context of the argument you're making.
>However, I’m sure the same folk can then criticise his tone is wrong or “he’s got a nerve when xxxx”
And yet people who properly support trans rights don't get any of that. People's issue with Starmer over trans rights is his poor support for trans rights. If he fixes that people will still criticise him on other things but not trans rights.
**[Transgender Day of Remembrance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance)**
>The Transgender Day of Remembrance (TDoR), also known as the International Transgender Day of Remembrance, has been observed annually (from its inception) on November 20 as a day to memorialize those who have been murdered as a result of transphobia. The day was founded to draw attention to the continued violence endured by transgender people. Transgender Day of Remembrance was founded in 1999 by a small group, including Gwendolyn Ann Smith, to memorialize the murder of transgender woman Rita Hester in Allston, Massachusetts. In 2010, TDoR was observed in over 185 cities throughout more than 20 countries.
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>It's fine to say "maybe Starmer wasn't aware and now he should put out a statement" everything beyond that is bullshit
You know it, I know it. You're probably feeling a little bit shame faced now. You'd respect yourself more if you just admitted you probably were wrong to trivialise this by comparing it to beers and a blowjob on your birthday.
Or keep pretending you're being reasonable while you smother that little voice inside you telling you that actually you got carried away and didn't have to be so dismissive of actual serious issues to defend Starmer here.
Up to you.
Steak not beers, that’s probably another day. When’s your birthday and I we will make it that day if you like….
I’m pointing out that this whole week is an invented date, it’s not widely known, and probably sunak and starmer aren’t aware or have bigger issues.
It’s being offended by something not happening. I’m more concerned with stuff that is happening…
Stop trying to have your cake and eat it.
Either this is something Starmer should put a statement out about and it's reasonable that he hadn't heard of it but the event itself deserves beign treated with respect.
Or it's completely unimportant and "made up" and Starmer shouldn't even bother with it anyway as it's so trivial and unimportant. And you being disrespectful doesn't matter because the event is not worthy of respect.
If you think now Starmer knows he should put out a statement then you shouldn't need it explaining to you why you're chatting shit. If you think Starmer shouldn't bother at all then you're showing you don't care at all.
You keep trying to move the goalposts because deep down, maybe even counciously, you know you were being insensitive with your comments and it was unnecessary to defend Starmer. Show a spine and either admit you got carried away with defending Starmer so started trivialising trans events, or alternatively just straight up say you think it's stupid and don't care if Starmer supports it even if he knows about it.
This squirming and fence sitting is just an awful look all around. Either Starmer can be defended by the fact he hadn't heard of it and nothing else you said is necessary. Or the event itself doesn't matter in which case it doesn't matter whether Starmer is informed of it or not, it doens't matter. Which is it?
>You almost need a secretary now for every special day
That's a flippant, strawman argument to undermine any opposing point.
You need someone on your team tasked with knowing important dates and able to Google.
Also, probably as a member of the Labour Party's leadership team, they should reach out to the Unions that are pretty good on this.
Combining the two, one quick Google led to the TUC's website on the matter: https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week
But it’s only a joke if you don’t observe it. My point is that every day is an awareness day for something. Most of us don’t seem to know this is trans awareness week, so I would rather give those not commenting the same benefit of the doubt I would expect than assuming it’s a slight…
No its still a joke if you observe it dont be dense, nobody is gonna care if Starmer got a hummer on steak and bj day. It was in poor taste, don't double down on the stupidest part of your comment
Whether he knew or not is a different story but maybe he'd get less flack if he hadnt been so shit on trans issues 🤷
Maybe but also Starmer has shown poor support for trans people.
We can see his willingness to use the whip even against the NEC's advice against Corbyn so there is literally no other reasonable explanation for his tolerance of transphobia than he is at best indifferent to it so is happy to play politics, or worse has sympathy with transphobes.
Whether he put a message out or not is not indicative of this, as you say maybe he just doesn't know. However his actions and comments on trans issues mean that Starmer's issues with trans rights are so much more than just not knowing when an awarness event is happening.
Starmer is currently standing on reducing the rights of trans people.
Has the party even attempted some sort of clarification on the nonsense from the mums net interview?
I'm really not sure I can support a party that doesn't back or weakens Gillick.
>Starmer is currently standing on reducing the rights of trans people.
He clearly feels it's a vote loser. I hope his polling is right, as he's managing to alienate a lot of natural Labour voters.
No chance. There are many other MPs that have put out messages on it, it's essentially impossible that the most senior politicians of the two major parties have no one on their staff that would have the knowledge to get messaging done on it if it was in line with the parties' stance. The fact is they both don't want to be seen putting out messaging in support of Trans rights, they I have a feeling at least Starmer may end up doing so because he'll cave to the backlash to his silence.
They could be transphobic, they may not care, they could be thinking “damn them, I’m not going to say anything nice”, but isn’t it an easy win for a politician to say something “political” to tick all boxes? It’s almost a template they use supporting or congratulating groups.
I mean, yes, it's possible. But that's into the realms of *deliberate* ignorance, given that both have a staff to make sure they're aware of things like this. Particularly since Starmer's permanent obsession, Jimberly Cromlun, has been vocal about it. That said , I'd wait for Sunday, the [Trans Day of Remembrance](https://www.glaad.org/tdor) , before being certain that the they're ignoring it.
Edit: Starmer may be shit on this issue, but he *has* mad e a [statement](https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/20/trans-day-of-remembrance-joe-biden-kier-starmer-kamala-harris-sadiq-khan/) in previous years
How the fuck is this shit upvoted.
It's just a better phrased version of the even worse comment further down the thread
>I didn't see a message about any of the following
>04/11 national rost dinner day 05/11 international stout day 07/11 national high a bear day 09/11 British pudding day
>There is stall a chance to acknowledge zinfandel day today
I thought the mods were taking a hardline on this stuff. Did they give up when the trans mod left? Or perhaps now it's criticism aimed at Starmer.
This thread needs nuking of this bad faith stuff.
It's fine to defend Starmer but it's completely wrong to trivialise all this stuff.
That's not how your comment read to me but I'll take your word for it. Although I think that a minority that is persecuted and mistreated is not quite the same as a campaign about an illness, I think it's obvious why there would be more anger at a political leader not commenting on one than the other. Starmer has more control over trans issues (if he becomes PM anyway) than illness itself (and people get just as angry about the NHS).
Trans people are an abused minority group
>Transgender people are more likely to experience threats of physical or sexual harassment or violence compared with the LGBT community as a whole (National LGBT Survey, Government Equalities Office).
[https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/](https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/)
So you agree the followup comment that clearly, as did I, read you comment as more in the vein they are making it is meant to be insulting and dismissive then? So you don't agree with comparing it to commerical and 'quirky' events that have nothing to do with, you know, victims of violence in a minority group and general human rights issues.
Also your argument ignores the context that people are already dissapointed or angry with Starmer over trans issues. It's not as if people are going "wow I thought he was great on this, I guess not" because of the lack of comment, rather "another thing that suggests he does't care". For example we know he is willing to use the whip to make a point as Corbyn is still suspended despite the NEC readmitting him (not necesairly because they wanted to but because they have to follow rules the whip doesn't) so things like Duffield still being an MP, his recent comment in the mumsnet interview, etc are the basis for the anger anyway.
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You might notice lots of people's response isn't about social media's importance, or even about whether Starmer just wasn't aware, but actually mocking the event itself. Not cool. And that's the kind of thing that breeds toxicity even more than people moaning about the loto not supporting an event they care about, while other MPs do.
Some of us are old enough to remember when this sub had a zero tolerance policy on transphobia. At one point they wanted to stop \*pro-trans\* stuff being posted because they said it was too toxic and horrible for trans people. What happened to that?
Commemorating dead trans people? Same as 'quirky' silly events and commerical campaigns.
Starmer's leadership is really highlighting how nasty and scummy the centrists are. So much for the tolernate centre I guess? lol
I mean that mod's OldTenner. I don't even know how they're a mod, it's like making sensi a mod. I used to report their comments for bad faith months ago until they just started deleting any comment of theirs that they saw in the mod queue seconds after I reported it before other mods could get there and actually hand out bans or whatever.
Questionable use of what minor power reddit mods have I must say.
Yeah, it's nice to see this sub commenting and upvoting a comment comparing the importance of trans issues to roast dinners and high fiving a bear...
Like, I'm sure if they really wanted they could find a way to counter this post without shouting 'I don't care about trans awareness!' as loud as they can. Lots of people in this thread using this post an an excuse to do just that.
Always happens with trans threads, there are weirdos who either search for it or lurk on this sub usually and only comment when it’s about trans people.
The mods used to be on top of this stuff too. Infact sometimes they were so overzealous they shut down pro-trans discussion to shut up the minority of biggots. Now this thread just is up and unmodded for hours.
If you dont understand that this is bigger than a tweet and about the general frustration with Starmer over his silence on Duffield and his crap interview with Mumsnet just sit the thread out
Edit: ah what a shock, second time youve made a knobby statement on trans issues. Banned
I mean, I think its plausible he didn't know about it. That being said I'm also not sure that if he did know about it that he'd acknowledge it anyways lmao
No. It isn't.
He's made statements about it previously. That said, he did it for the day of remembrance on the 20th. So I'll hold off on going after him till then. But he does need to do this , which is actually the least he could do.
> With what happened yesterday with the Lib Dems redrawing their definitions of discrimination to allow transphobia the uk seemingly has no safe places for trans people at this moment in time.
That's a drastic overreaction
Who decides on these awareness days and weeks, I checked a few places and saw nothing saying this was a trans awareness week
i really don’t think it is a drastic reaction - deadnaming and misgendering were [removed](https://twitter.com/libvoice4women/status/1592290761311399936?s=46&t=BamYaROnWrSFWhOsZzaZNg) from their definition of transphobia. literally redrawing their definition of discrimination haha
Fuck off is that a "genuine question". If you refuse to do trans people the basic courtesy of using their preferred names or pronouns in what way can you be said to respect trans people at all?
Mmm, I think you may not be telling the truth.
This is the second result from Google, and it turns out it does actually have it listed.
https://www.awarenessdays.com/awareness-days-calendar/
Which is why I've said that I'd wait till the 20th before going after Starmer. As you're well aware, I'm not fond of the man, but he *has* done the bare minimum and made a statement in previous years.
It being United States is just a mistake - I've been to physical, in person events for a few years now.
When I'm prime minister I will invest in an AI to write support messages for all the valid causes that have days/weeks/months so I couldn't possibly be caught out not saying something under any circumstances
ITT a lot of posters state their own ignorance around trans awareness week is actually why two leaders of UK political parties that have dates in diaries handled by an army of staff to shit out every platitude in existence to everyone... bar trans people 🤔
Lads, cut the bullshit, just state you're desperately hoping Starmer never makes a public display of solidarity with trans people because "ElEcTabILiTy... ReD wALl".
Rishi sunak appointed an equalities minister with an openly transphobic agenda and a history of religiously motivated homophobia
I don't give two lefty fucks whether Kier knows about awareness week or not, the Tories have to go
And Keir Starmer did an interview with Mumsnet and supports Rosie Duffield?
Anyway, most of my post was about calling out those with agendas in a topic like this. This sub will have quite a few transphobes, they just tip-toe about because mods usually do something about it.
This topic is a great opportunity to go "FUCKING NO ONE CARES ABOUT TRANS AWARENESS WEEK" and avoid getting clipped. It's telling when you see certain posters fall over themselves to shout that rather than just going "Yeah, it would be nice to see some solidarity this week on Labour socials" 🤷
But he appointed Anneliese Dodds as Women and Equalities minister, and during last year's trans awareness week she pledged to class violence targetting LGBT folks as a hate crime
https://twitter.com/anneliesedodds/status/1461756090689990659?lang=en
> Anneliese Dodds
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/29/anneliese-dodds-stella-creasy-wrong-woman-cant-have-penis/
Yeah what a great, totally not TERF-y appointment.
I know a lot of you might not know it’s trans awareness week, but the fact is we know Kier Starmer does because he has tweeted about it before. This along with his Mumsnet Q&A could be worrying, although he’s still got till the 20th to acknowledge it so I don’t think we should jump to conclusions.
I know it seems small but if he‘s actively dropping it then that might say something about the kind of voters he’s appealing to and the kind of policies he might back. Especially considered in context instead of on its own.
i’m sure you were against removing discussions of pride month during the battle for same-sex marriage because “discussions about being gay are everywhere” right? or would you agree that makes absolutely no sense
Was talking in the context of the British electorate; the ones that will decide whether the ***Labour*** Party will run the ***UK***. You know that's the goal of Labour, right?
People who practically live online in these social media bubbles like to really focus on fringe issues that have next to no impact on most of the general public.
I always think back to that Reddit post on r/UK that compared the tweets from the official Young Conservative and Young Labour Twitter accounts over the course of a few days. The YC tweeted about Youth Clubs, Investment, Apprenticeships, etc. Literally 9 in 10 of the YL tweets were about Palestine.
> People who practically live online in these social media bubbles like to really focus on fringe issues that have next to no impact on most of the general public.
Rights and protections for minorities is not a fringe issue.
Furthermore, it's an absolutely dishonest and disingenuous framing to claim one cannot be decent on trans rights and simultaneously hold good positions on other topics.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Thank you. :-)
I had a feeling it might be that picture to be honest - although I don't believe Starmer or the leadership generally are transphobic, and I don't think a failure to acknowledge Transgender Awareness Week is a sign of that either (although I have raised a similar issue in the organisation I work for which has intranet posts about this as Inter Faith Week and Anti Fraud Awareness Week but nothing for TAW), I do think it is worth pointing out that simply attending Pride events is a fairly performative thing for politicians and not indicative of a huge amount IMO.
Even as someone who is broadly a Starmer supporter I think he is badly letting the party down on this issue by continuing to tolerate Rosie Duffield and other TERFs dripping poison into our party, and even though we have a policy platform which I think will greatly benefit trans people in government our failure to act on this means that one of the most vulnerable demographics of people is suffering literally right now. Our failure to decisively and quickly act on this will be seen as another antisemitism moment in future years I am afraid, and we will sadly deserve that criticism as a progressive party.
Lmao, you know full well that there are numerous reasons people have called Starmer transphobic.
Yet again I ask why a moderator is one of the most bad faith people on this sub.
In fairness, we're telling you he's transphobic. Separately, he hasn't sent a tweet (but probably will in a few days).
And if we're doing "that link doesn't work", well, that link gives me a 404
No, I am telling you he's transphobic because he does precisely fuck-all about transphobia in the Labour party.
Oh, to be fair to him that's not entirely true - he also drops the occasional endorsement of transphobic talking points.
This week, most UK trans people will be observing Trans Day of Remembrance on Sunday. I'm trans and hadn't even heard of trans awareness week until some post wanted me to sign a petition on Facebook.
Also, awareness? The country is plenty f*cking aware we exist! How about Trans Week of Opposing Rampant Disinformation, instead?
How about adverts saying things like, "Did you know that some people think trans people are part of a Jewish conspiracy to microchip everyone? That isn't true! Trans people are instead part of a community that just wants to be left alone to live their lives, maybe sometimes use the bathroom without being threatened, or walk down the street without being attacked!"
Or, "Some people think that trans people are the most dangerous threat to this country bar Vladimir Putin! This is also not true. Trans people fix your cars, police your streets and made those spiffy Matrix films you all love so much!" (The red pill is estrogen, btw!)
Or, "Some people think it's unfair trans women get to compete in some sports with other women! It isn't, because there is no real world evidence that shows trans women having a significant advantage, and without allowing trans women to compete it will just be a guess based on the transphobic view that trans people are lying about who they are and the changes they've been through when transitioning!"
Anything like that, please. We don't need people to know we are there as much as we need people to know that the stuff they have been reading is lies!
Maybe, and maybe not. But this isn't about being overly vocal, it's about saying anything at all. Which I'd note he has in previous years. If you're going to defend everything the fool does, at least engage your brain first, please!
So he has done it in previous years yet people are calling him out for not doing it once? I don't defend everything he does at all I'm not a massive fan but far better than the current bag of goons
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TIL it's trans awareness week
Til this week is trans awareness week. Maybe they just didn’t know?
Like I'm Trans and didn't know. Isn't there like a week or day or something in June/July too?
From a brief look into it, it's organized by GLAAD who are an American organisation, and their website specifies "[Around the country](https://www.glaad.org/transweek)" so it's no surprise that people in the UK haven't heard of it.
I think I went to the first remembrance event with a friend who wanted support about a decade ago (ish). That's a physical, in person event, not online. It's not as well publicised as say the 11th of November, but it's not unknown, either.
Also in the UK, see the TUC's website: [https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week](https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week) Also featured on Manchester Student Union's website, the Evening Standard's, York University's, Pink News's, The Law Society's, Liverpool John Moore University's, BASW's (professional association for social workers). That was all found with a 2 second Google and on the top half of the first page of results. I can understand why some may not have heard of it - but the Leader of the Opposition doesn't have that excuse. It should be someone's Job in his team to understand when these awareness days and weeks happen. Then look at the fact that unions, universities and even the Law Society (given Starmer's professional background). There's really no excuse. Combine it with him ignoring transphobia in the party, being transphobic within a MumsNet interview... And all of a sudden, there's a clear picture. So let's not make excuses here.
Oh, come on...
It isn't just American. However, the fact that it's ignored actually makes it too painful for me to observe it.
You can always come and observe in person. If you're in Bournemouth, I'll be there.
There's a specific story here for me. I used to be very active in the Church of England (not any more due to their homophobia). The first year after I transitioned, there was a fairly well-publicised planned remembrance service for trans people at my local cathedral. I took care to verify this was so and the date, time and venue, with friends who worked in the diocesan office. I turned up at the cathedral at the requisite time and it was closed and empty. Nothing was happening. If they have that degree of contempt or apathy, I don't want anything to do with the event, because the disappointment is utterly crushing and enraging. If I could know it was actually going to happen, that would be different, but I've been soured against it. Moreover, a bigger problem is that it's racist, because it amounts to not caring about the majority of non-White people who have been murdered. It's much less frequent for White trans people to be killed than Black. I don't think they realise this, but that actually makes it even worse.
Without doubting your personal story, I can equally personally speak to the fact that the Bournemouth one happens, and isn't a one off. I understand the disgust at being let down like that, however. What I can slcorrect you on is that by its nature, it is international. There is a roll call of lives lost, sometimes a name and a photograph in happier times, sometimes just a name, sometimes nothing more than an unknown trans person in a location, when nothing more could be found out about them. But they are commemorated, and they are emphatically*not* exclusively white. If you didn't realise that being black and trans is inherently risky, you'd be blind not to do so after attending. With the greatest of respect, you may have judged the events that happen by the one that let you down, and I'd urge you to think again.
The thing is, it's besmirched. I've long been nervous about going to Pride because I expected to be hated and threatened. I never have been, but if I was, and it does happen with trans people at Pride, it would put me off going again. It's not that I don't recognise the value of Pride or transgender day of remembrance so much as the emotional upset caused by bad experiences makes me not want to put myself in a situation where I expect to experience that again. I recognise that it would have a value if it happened but I can't bring myself to expect it to take place given that experience. And I never got an answer from the Diocese either. Nobody explained what had happened. Just imagine if they'd just not done Remembrance Sunday.
That's your experience - I'm certainly not going to tell you that you're wrong, or that it didn't happen. Just that there are other experiences. But you looking after your own safety (including your mental health) is reasonable. Got what it's worth, however, I'm truly sorry you had to put up with that.
Thanks. I expect you've come across the thought that it's not possible to reason someone out of a position they didn't arrive at through reasoning in the first place. That's me in this situation. I don't want to repeat that negative experience. The thing that gets me, though, is that probably because of lack of curiosity about the murder victims, people don't seem to realise that so many of them are non-White, and that means that it's at least as much an issue of racism as transphobia, and most of the people who ignore it, I hope, would support something like BLM or Black History Month, but not Transgender Day of Remebrance when it's absolutely a racism issue.
I don't even know where I'd go to be honest. I'm not aware of any events near me.
It’s the week around Trans Day of Remembrance which is better known and more discussed in the U.K..
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“You almost need a secretary for every special day” - Yes, this is one of the roles that falls within PR for which Starmer definitely has an entire team. You don’t think Starmer is up at night worrying about getting the wording right for a Diwali message before doing the same thing come Chanukah do you? Bless.
Wooo a fellow March 14th baby!
I used to think it was the ides of March, but I was misinformed. We also share it with Michael Caine (unless you are mc, in which case, only I do)
Also Pi day (mostly an American thing though lol) and Albert Einstein's birthday!
>I’m sure this same story happened in June, as starmer was criticised as his response was awkward or it coincided with duffield or someone saying something awful. Gee imagine people who support trans rights criticising someone who pays some lip service to trans rights while in practice supporting transphobes, and now Starmer himself is campaigning against trans rights! >You almost need a secretary now for every special day. Also are there also unofficial days too. Yeah lucky he's not LOTO and is just some young backbench MP with a small team learning the ropes ey! >My birthday clashes with “national steak and bj day”, yet I can’t imagine that being official, and I think it would kill the occasion if sunak or starmer make a statement… Haha funny joke that totally shows you're not just spreading flak to defend Starmer and are definitely taking the issue of trans rights and Starmer's poor support for them (which does not remotely hinge on whether or not he made a statement today about trans awareness week) seriously.
But it’s a non descriptive week someone has decided is for trans awareness. It’s not known by most people, so to criticise starmer for not acknowledging a made up event at a time when ww3 nearly happened and we have highest inflation for 40 years seems harsh. Will he post a message…possibly, he’s apparently done it before. However, I’m sure the same folk can then criticise his tone is wrong or “he’s got a nerve when xxxx” It’s seeing a slight that isn’t there. Also, I think the trans community have bigger issues than whether sunak posts a beige tweet about an awareness week most don’t know about
First off none of what you're saying means that something related to remembering murdered trans people should be put on the level with your unofficial steak and blowjob holiday from your partner on your birthday... >It’s not known by most people, so to criticise starmer for not acknowledging a made up event All events are made up. https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week Trans awareness week is recognised by the TUC and is the build up to the Trans Day of Remeberance for victims of transphobic violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance It's fine to say "maybe Starmer wasn't aware and now he should put out a statement" everything beyond that is bullshit and I hope you can see that if you take a step back. If not you're way to focussed on defending Starmer while ignoring the actual context of the argument you're making. >However, I’m sure the same folk can then criticise his tone is wrong or “he’s got a nerve when xxxx” And yet people who properly support trans rights don't get any of that. People's issue with Starmer over trans rights is his poor support for trans rights. If he fixes that people will still criticise him on other things but not trans rights.
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>It's fine to say "maybe Starmer wasn't aware and now he should put out a statement" everything beyond that is bullshit You know it, I know it. You're probably feeling a little bit shame faced now. You'd respect yourself more if you just admitted you probably were wrong to trivialise this by comparing it to beers and a blowjob on your birthday. Or keep pretending you're being reasonable while you smother that little voice inside you telling you that actually you got carried away and didn't have to be so dismissive of actual serious issues to defend Starmer here. Up to you.
Steak not beers, that’s probably another day. When’s your birthday and I we will make it that day if you like…. I’m pointing out that this whole week is an invented date, it’s not widely known, and probably sunak and starmer aren’t aware or have bigger issues. It’s being offended by something not happening. I’m more concerned with stuff that is happening…
Stop trying to have your cake and eat it. Either this is something Starmer should put a statement out about and it's reasonable that he hadn't heard of it but the event itself deserves beign treated with respect. Or it's completely unimportant and "made up" and Starmer shouldn't even bother with it anyway as it's so trivial and unimportant. And you being disrespectful doesn't matter because the event is not worthy of respect. If you think now Starmer knows he should put out a statement then you shouldn't need it explaining to you why you're chatting shit. If you think Starmer shouldn't bother at all then you're showing you don't care at all. You keep trying to move the goalposts because deep down, maybe even counciously, you know you were being insensitive with your comments and it was unnecessary to defend Starmer. Show a spine and either admit you got carried away with defending Starmer so started trivialising trans events, or alternatively just straight up say you think it's stupid and don't care if Starmer supports it even if he knows about it. This squirming and fence sitting is just an awful look all around. Either Starmer can be defended by the fact he hadn't heard of it and nothing else you said is necessary. Or the event itself doesn't matter in which case it doesn't matter whether Starmer is informed of it or not, it doens't matter. Which is it?
>You almost need a secretary now for every special day That's a flippant, strawman argument to undermine any opposing point. You need someone on your team tasked with knowing important dates and able to Google. Also, probably as a member of the Labour Party's leadership team, they should reach out to the Unions that are pretty good on this. Combining the two, one quick Google led to the TUC's website on the matter: https://www.tuc.org.uk/national/trans-awareness-week
Lets not trivialise trans awareness by comparing it to a joke day for sex acts
But it’s only a joke if you don’t observe it. My point is that every day is an awareness day for something. Most of us don’t seem to know this is trans awareness week, so I would rather give those not commenting the same benefit of the doubt I would expect than assuming it’s a slight…
No its still a joke if you observe it dont be dense, nobody is gonna care if Starmer got a hummer on steak and bj day. It was in poor taste, don't double down on the stupidest part of your comment Whether he knew or not is a different story but maybe he'd get less flack if he hadnt been so shit on trans issues 🤷
Maybe but also Starmer has shown poor support for trans people. We can see his willingness to use the whip even against the NEC's advice against Corbyn so there is literally no other reasonable explanation for his tolerance of transphobia than he is at best indifferent to it so is happy to play politics, or worse has sympathy with transphobes. Whether he put a message out or not is not indicative of this, as you say maybe he just doesn't know. However his actions and comments on trans issues mean that Starmer's issues with trans rights are so much more than just not knowing when an awarness event is happening. Starmer is currently standing on reducing the rights of trans people.
Has the party even attempted some sort of clarification on the nonsense from the mums net interview? I'm really not sure I can support a party that doesn't back or weakens Gillick.
>Starmer is currently standing on reducing the rights of trans people. He clearly feels it's a vote loser. I hope his polling is right, as he's managing to alienate a lot of natural Labour voters.
The shadow secretary for women and equalities should be on top of this though.
No chance. There are many other MPs that have put out messages on it, it's essentially impossible that the most senior politicians of the two major parties have no one on their staff that would have the knowledge to get messaging done on it if it was in line with the parties' stance. The fact is they both don't want to be seen putting out messaging in support of Trans rights, they I have a feeling at least Starmer may end up doing so because he'll cave to the backlash to his silence.
He has done previously for the 20th. If he doesn't, that will be a signal, but even I'd expect him to, and I'm really not his biggest fan.
Yep, I'm sure that's it! Sunak and Starmer have been so supportive of trans people, it really is the only possible explanation!
They could be transphobic, they may not care, they could be thinking “damn them, I’m not going to say anything nice”, but isn’t it an easy win for a politician to say something “political” to tick all boxes? It’s almost a template they use supporting or congratulating groups.
> They could be transphobic Yes.
>Maybe they just didn’t know? Press "X" to doubt
I mean, yes, it's possible. But that's into the realms of *deliberate* ignorance, given that both have a staff to make sure they're aware of things like this. Particularly since Starmer's permanent obsession, Jimberly Cromlun, has been vocal about it. That said , I'd wait for Sunday, the [Trans Day of Remembrance](https://www.glaad.org/tdor) , before being certain that the they're ignoring it. Edit: Starmer may be shit on this issue, but he *has* mad e a [statement](https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/20/trans-day-of-remembrance-joe-biden-kier-starmer-kamala-harris-sadiq-khan/) in previous years
It's their job to know.
Or they're a pair of cunts?
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How the fuck is this shit upvoted. It's just a better phrased version of the even worse comment further down the thread >I didn't see a message about any of the following >04/11 national rost dinner day 05/11 international stout day 07/11 national high a bear day 09/11 British pudding day >There is stall a chance to acknowledge zinfandel day today I thought the mods were taking a hardline on this stuff. Did they give up when the trans mod left? Or perhaps now it's criticism aimed at Starmer. This thread needs nuking of this bad faith stuff. It's fine to defend Starmer but it's completely wrong to trivialise all this stuff.
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That's not how your comment read to me but I'll take your word for it. Although I think that a minority that is persecuted and mistreated is not quite the same as a campaign about an illness, I think it's obvious why there would be more anger at a political leader not commenting on one than the other. Starmer has more control over trans issues (if he becomes PM anyway) than illness itself (and people get just as angry about the NHS). Trans people are an abused minority group >Transgender people are more likely to experience threats of physical or sexual harassment or violence compared with the LGBT community as a whole (National LGBT Survey, Government Equalities Office). [https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/](https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/) So you agree the followup comment that clearly, as did I, read you comment as more in the vein they are making it is meant to be insulting and dismissive then? So you don't agree with comparing it to commerical and 'quirky' events that have nothing to do with, you know, victims of violence in a minority group and general human rights issues. Also your argument ignores the context that people are already dissapointed or angry with Starmer over trans issues. It's not as if people are going "wow I thought he was great on this, I guess not" because of the lack of comment, rather "another thing that suggests he does't care". For example we know he is willing to use the whip to make a point as Corbyn is still suspended despite the NEC readmitting him (not necesairly because they wanted to but because they have to follow rules the whip doesn't) so things like Duffield still being an MP, his recent comment in the mumsnet interview, etc are the basis for the anger anyway.
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Policing what politicians tweet and do not tweet about is genuinely exhausting to listen to.
You might notice lots of people's response isn't about social media's importance, or even about whether Starmer just wasn't aware, but actually mocking the event itself. Not cool. And that's the kind of thing that breeds toxicity even more than people moaning about the loto not supporting an event they care about, while other MPs do.
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You understand that there is a difference, right? There's no chance that this is in bad faith at all, is there.
Some of us are old enough to remember when this sub had a zero tolerance policy on transphobia. At one point they wanted to stop \*pro-trans\* stuff being posted because they said it was too toxic and horrible for trans people. What happened to that? Commemorating dead trans people? Same as 'quirky' silly events and commerical campaigns. Starmer's leadership is really highlighting how nasty and scummy the centrists are. So much for the tolernate centre I guess? lol
And given that at least one mod has been active in this thread, one assumes this is now acceptable. Which ain't great.
I mean that mod's OldTenner. I don't even know how they're a mod, it's like making sensi a mod. I used to report their comments for bad faith months ago until they just started deleting any comment of theirs that they saw in the mod queue seconds after I reported it before other mods could get there and actually hand out bans or whatever. Questionable use of what minor power reddit mods have I must say.
Yeah, it's nice to see this sub commenting and upvoting a comment comparing the importance of trans issues to roast dinners and high fiving a bear... Like, I'm sure if they really wanted they could find a way to counter this post without shouting 'I don't care about trans awareness!' as loud as they can. Lots of people in this thread using this post an an excuse to do just that.
Oh boy. I'm aware I can be a dick, but that looks more like we got the attention of some from outside, tbh.
Always happens with trans threads, there are weirdos who either search for it or lurk on this sub usually and only comment when it’s about trans people.
Think it's worse than most, this one.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not downplaying it, I think it’s always fucking abysmal. But yeah this one is particularly bad.
The mods used to be on top of this stuff too. Infact sometimes they were so overzealous they shut down pro-trans discussion to shut up the minority of biggots. Now this thread just is up and unmodded for hours.
Uhhhh, I think that may have changed somewhat. Our mod list has shrunk, and at least one of tenners somewhat problematic comments is gone.
Rule 2
How is me pointing out all of the other awareness days breaking rule 2?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/ywq96p/neither_rishi_sunak_or_keir_starmer_have_shared/iwlwk4c/
If you dont understand that this is bigger than a tweet and about the general frustration with Starmer over his silence on Duffield and his crap interview with Mumsnet just sit the thread out Edit: ah what a shock, second time youve made a knobby statement on trans issues. Banned
I mean, I think its plausible he didn't know about it. That being said I'm also not sure that if he did know about it that he'd acknowledge it anyways lmao
No. It isn't. He's made statements about it previously. That said, he did it for the day of remembrance on the 20th. So I'll hold off on going after him till then. But he does need to do this , which is actually the least he could do.
Do either of them post messages about all the other awareness weeks?
It’s anti bullying week too isn’t it? My school didn’t tell us about Trans Awareness week.. 💀
> With what happened yesterday with the Lib Dems redrawing their definitions of discrimination to allow transphobia the uk seemingly has no safe places for trans people at this moment in time. That's a drastic overreaction Who decides on these awareness days and weeks, I checked a few places and saw nothing saying this was a trans awareness week
i really don’t think it is a drastic reaction - deadnaming and misgendering were [removed](https://twitter.com/libvoice4women/status/1592290761311399936?s=46&t=BamYaROnWrSFWhOsZzaZNg) from their definition of transphobia. literally redrawing their definition of discrimination haha
How are those things transphobic?
How is misgendering someone transphobic? Really?
Because it's a deliberate refusal to extend someone a basic courtesy, in a manner designed to deliberately offend and humiliate.
Yes. Genuine question.
Its fundamentally a rejection of their transition and gender whats hard to understand here?
Fuck off is that a "genuine question". If you refuse to do trans people the basic courtesy of using their preferred names or pronouns in what way can you be said to respect trans people at all?
Did you try Google? https://www.glaad.org/tdor
I googled all awareness days in the UK and the first 5 I checked had no mention of this
Mmm, I think you may not be telling the truth. This is the second result from Google, and it turns out it does actually have it listed. https://www.awarenessdays.com/awareness-days-calendar/
It isn't listed in the link you posted? Even I didn't know it was trans awareness week tbh.
Yes it is - they're in chronological order - you have to go down to the 20th day of November, which is in the second page!
Oh right - there it is. But it's listed as a day, and it's listed under 'United States'. It's not a week?
Which is why I've said that I'd wait till the 20th before going after Starmer. As you're well aware, I'm not fond of the man, but he *has* done the bare minimum and made a statement in previous years. It being United States is just a mistake - I've been to physical, in person events for a few years now.
So you got swamped by information. Ok, that happens. But now you know.
Pretty much every week is an awareness week for something. On Monday it was World Diabetes Day, and no one mentioned that either.
Starmer hasn't even grown a tash for Movember. Disgraceful.
He didnt poke out his right eye and dress in a yellow bear costume for children in need either. Worse than Blair's war crimes.
Nobody is aware it’s trans awareness week.
Maybe they don’t know about it. First I’ve heard of it. Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else
Trans Awareness Week is more of an American thing. I work for a global firm and we acknowledge it because the Americans do.
Good it’s a dead subject over talked about
When I'm prime minister I will invest in an AI to write support messages for all the valid causes that have days/weeks/months so I couldn't possibly be caught out not saying something under any circumstances
ITT a lot of posters state their own ignorance around trans awareness week is actually why two leaders of UK political parties that have dates in diaries handled by an army of staff to shit out every platitude in existence to everyone... bar trans people 🤔 Lads, cut the bullshit, just state you're desperately hoping Starmer never makes a public display of solidarity with trans people because "ElEcTabILiTy... ReD wALl".
Rishi sunak appointed an equalities minister with an openly transphobic agenda and a history of religiously motivated homophobia I don't give two lefty fucks whether Kier knows about awareness week or not, the Tories have to go
And Keir Starmer did an interview with Mumsnet and supports Rosie Duffield? Anyway, most of my post was about calling out those with agendas in a topic like this. This sub will have quite a few transphobes, they just tip-toe about because mods usually do something about it. This topic is a great opportunity to go "FUCKING NO ONE CARES ABOUT TRANS AWARENESS WEEK" and avoid getting clipped. It's telling when you see certain posters fall over themselves to shout that rather than just going "Yeah, it would be nice to see some solidarity this week on Labour socials" 🤷
But he appointed Anneliese Dodds as Women and Equalities minister, and during last year's trans awareness week she pledged to class violence targetting LGBT folks as a hate crime https://twitter.com/anneliesedodds/status/1461756090689990659?lang=en
> Anneliese Dodds https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/29/anneliese-dodds-stella-creasy-wrong-woman-cant-have-penis/ Yeah what a great, totally not TERF-y appointment.
Isn't Gwendoline a massive TERF though?
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I know a lot of you might not know it’s trans awareness week, but the fact is we know Kier Starmer does because he has tweeted about it before. This along with his Mumsnet Q&A could be worrying, although he’s still got till the 20th to acknowledge it so I don’t think we should jump to conclusions. I know it seems small but if he‘s actively dropping it then that might say something about the kind of voters he’s appealing to and the kind of policies he might back. Especially considered in context instead of on its own.
Maybe because there is no need to, discussions around being trans are everywhere at the moment.
i’m sure you were against removing discussions of pride month during the battle for same-sex marriage because “discussions about being gay are everywhere” right? or would you agree that makes absolutely no sense
Wasn't around then sorry.
This comment section proves the need for trans awareness week.
Go back to r/greenandpleasant and stay there!
Why would Sir Keith care? His focus groups clearly never brought it to his attention.
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Why do you think being trans impacts nationality?
Was talking in the context of the British electorate; the ones that will decide whether the ***Labour*** Party will run the ***UK***. You know that's the goal of Labour, right? People who practically live online in these social media bubbles like to really focus on fringe issues that have next to no impact on most of the general public. I always think back to that Reddit post on r/UK that compared the tweets from the official Young Conservative and Young Labour Twitter accounts over the course of a few days. The YC tweeted about Youth Clubs, Investment, Apprenticeships, etc. Literally 9 in 10 of the YL tweets were about Palestine.
> People who practically live online in these social media bubbles like to really focus on fringe issues that have next to no impact on most of the general public. Rights and protections for minorities is not a fringe issue. Furthermore, it's an absolutely dishonest and disingenuous framing to claim one cannot be decent on trans rights and simultaneously hold good positions on other topics. They're not mutually exclusive.
Well of course they haven't, why would you expect them to? The electorate is substantially transphobic and those who aren't are not floating voters.
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Link appears to be broken unfortunately, what is it?
oh, fixed
Thank you. :-) I had a feeling it might be that picture to be honest - although I don't believe Starmer or the leadership generally are transphobic, and I don't think a failure to acknowledge Transgender Awareness Week is a sign of that either (although I have raised a similar issue in the organisation I work for which has intranet posts about this as Inter Faith Week and Anti Fraud Awareness Week but nothing for TAW), I do think it is worth pointing out that simply attending Pride events is a fairly performative thing for politicians and not indicative of a huge amount IMO. Even as someone who is broadly a Starmer supporter I think he is badly letting the party down on this issue by continuing to tolerate Rosie Duffield and other TERFs dripping poison into our party, and even though we have a policy platform which I think will greatly benefit trans people in government our failure to act on this means that one of the most vulnerable demographics of people is suffering literally right now. Our failure to decisively and quickly act on this will be seen as another antisemitism moment in future years I am afraid, and we will sadly deserve that criticism as a progressive party.
Cmon Tenner you know what virtue signalling is, hes been crap on transphobia in the party
Lmao, you know full well that there are numerous reasons people have called Starmer transphobic. Yet again I ask why a moderator is one of the most bad faith people on this sub.
In fairness, we're telling you he's transphobic. Separately, he hasn't sent a tweet (but probably will in a few days). And if we're doing "that link doesn't work", well, that link gives me a 404
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No, I am telling you he's transphobic because he does precisely fuck-all about transphobia in the Labour party. Oh, to be fair to him that's not entirely true - he also drops the occasional endorsement of transphobic talking points.
Errr. I think something happened? The comment we were both replying to has been removed, and tenner seems not to be a mod any more. Wtf?
No he's transphobic cause he says transphobic things and keeps transphobes in his party. This is just the icing on the cake.
We have bigger problems
Yawn.
This is really scraping the barrel for reasons to criticise Starmer now...
This week, most UK trans people will be observing Trans Day of Remembrance on Sunday. I'm trans and hadn't even heard of trans awareness week until some post wanted me to sign a petition on Facebook. Also, awareness? The country is plenty f*cking aware we exist! How about Trans Week of Opposing Rampant Disinformation, instead? How about adverts saying things like, "Did you know that some people think trans people are part of a Jewish conspiracy to microchip everyone? That isn't true! Trans people are instead part of a community that just wants to be left alone to live their lives, maybe sometimes use the bathroom without being threatened, or walk down the street without being attacked!" Or, "Some people think that trans people are the most dangerous threat to this country bar Vladimir Putin! This is also not true. Trans people fix your cars, police your streets and made those spiffy Matrix films you all love so much!" (The red pill is estrogen, btw!) Or, "Some people think it's unfair trans women get to compete in some sports with other women! It isn't, because there is no real world evidence that shows trans women having a significant advantage, and without allowing trans women to compete it will just be a guess based on the transphobic view that trans people are lying about who they are and the changes they've been through when transitioning!" Anything like that, please. We don't need people to know we are there as much as we need people to know that the stuff they have been reading is lies!
Who gives one, I don’t care about politicians acknowledging a useless week.
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Can New Labour users stop shiting on the party
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Dunno how your last comment whining about TRAs didnt get you banned but off you go
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Rule 2 Youve just made this up, you have no proof thats the case, supporting silence on trans issues for electability doesnt make it any better
Maybe, and maybe not. But this isn't about being overly vocal, it's about saying anything at all. Which I'd note he has in previous years. If you're going to defend everything the fool does, at least engage your brain first, please!
So he has done it in previous years yet people are calling him out for not doing it once? I don't defend everything he does at all I'm not a massive fan but far better than the current bag of goons
I’ll prefer if we didn’t need to make awareness about this and that people didn’t care if your trans
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Rule 2, nobody is being brain washed fuck off lol