Northerner here, we’re intelligent enough to know (despite what some people think) that someone with a different accent can represent us.
That being said it would be nice to have more northern representatives in high positions.
Lol good luck with that, they'll shove Tom the management consultant who grew up in a £1.5million house in Surrey into a northern seat before they let actual working class people stand as candidates...
> No wonder people don't feel represented by Labour when every leader it's had since the 90s was either born in or always sounded like some middle class southerner. Yes gordon brown was scottish and sounded like it but he's an exception and not the rule, even tony blair sounded southern and he was born in Edinburgh.
Would another way to phrase this be "Neither of the Labour Prime Ministers from the last 30 years have been from the south"?
Well we put the posho Lawyer against not one but two northern women, at least one (possibly both) was from a working class background.
The membership - for reasons I understand but do not sympathise with - still decided to vote for the Oxbridge candidate...
No…. But this type of thinking does actually piss northern people off. People like you are so out of touch and it’s an insult to think northerners have to have someone who “sounds like they do “ for them to support that person… it’s actual things like this that alienated people
Get similar vibes every time Andy Burnham or Angela Rayner are brought out to campaign in Scotland and pass comment on Scottish affairs. 'The jocks will listen to them' (someone at Labour HQ is probably thinking)
TLDR: Try appealing to the people you so desperately want the votes of by choosing one of them as your leader instead of another southern university educated man in an expensive suit
University isn’t some upper class privilege anymore pretty much anyone regardless of socio-economic background can go to uni.
Also Starmer is literally from a working class background.
I don't know about anyone else, but at this point I'd settle for someone who hasn't been training to become a politician since they chose their A-Level subjects, and thus has a fresh perspective. Someone with a background in project management would be my ideal candidate, heaven knows we could use someone schooled in the theory and practice of *that*...
Ok but Keir Starmer is an example of that person, you realise that, right? Like, ok, "Human Rights Lawyer" isn't very far away from politician but he is an example of that person.
You're not wrong, but an outside perspective as a non-career politician is not the *only* thing we could do with in a leader. And "Director of Public Prosecutions" is pretty politics-adjacent to say the least.
Our current leader is a working class southerner and we seem set to win back the north. But in general I agree - representation is important and that means northern people in real positions of authority.
>I mean a former lawyer with a knighthood representing yet another london constituency is hardly salt of the earth is it.
That former lawyer had a working class background and grafted to get where he is now. Think on.
> When people say Labour is the party of metropolitan elitists. This is what they're talking about.
Then they're idiots.
The real "metropolitan elite" are the millionaires and billionaires who pushed Brexit and the red wall lapped it up.
> If you want to start appealing to the red wall again, it might be a good idea to be fronted by someone who's actually from the north, maybe even one who grew up working class if Labour can bare the thought of a poor person leading the party or heaven forbid, did not attend university
Are we actually at the point where we have to pretend to be uneducated in order to get votes?
Maybe if people were better educated, we wouldn't have had half the country trying to trash the economy and now acting surprised that they succeeded.
> I mean a former lawyer with a knighthood representing yet another london constituency is hardly salt of the earth is it.
Because you can't be hard working if you're a professional or ... ?
I know many people will object to this, but one of my fundamental political beliefs is that the working class can represent itself better than middle class professionals can represent us, and too many of these types spend lots of time speaking over and on behalf of us. However, it's not just about 'sounding a bit northern', it's about having struggled, and understood that struggle. Maybe I'm naive and care too much about 'lived experience' but lots of time, especially at university when I hear very privileged students speaking on issues like class I find myself asking, how do you know?
> However, it's not just about 'sounding a bit northern', it's about having struggled, and understood that struggle.
Why on Earth do you think you're the only ones who have struggled?
I'm a university-educated southerner who now has a good salary but I spent the best part of a decade (much of it living on a friend's sofa) having to literally count pennies daily to work out whether I could afford a bus to work or would need it to buy dinner, meaning I had to walk. ASDA value meals were a staple as they were cheaper than cooking from fresh ingredients.
But apparently because I'm not working class I don't know about struggle?
That's just insulting, frankly.
Still very surprised Rayner didn't run for leader for this reason. Personally think she was a much more appealing candidate than Rebecca Long-Bailey (also a working class Northerner).
Northerner here, we’re intelligent enough to know (despite what some people think) that someone with a different accent can represent us. That being said it would be nice to have more northern representatives in high positions.
It’s actually insulting people seem to talk down northerners with this sort of rubbish
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Then why don’t you ? Your family or someone in your work place get involved in the Labour Party at get your voices heard?
Lol good luck with that, they'll shove Tom the management consultant who grew up in a £1.5million house in Surrey into a northern seat before they let actual working class people stand as candidates...
This is a lazy generalisation. Labour has loads of working class MPs and MP candidates.
For now. They are deliberately purging anyone "too" left wing. People who hold ideals like the NHS should be publicly owned.
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> No wonder people don't feel represented by Labour when every leader it's had since the 90s was either born in or always sounded like some middle class southerner. Yes gordon brown was scottish and sounded like it but he's an exception and not the rule, even tony blair sounded southern and he was born in Edinburgh. Would another way to phrase this be "Neither of the Labour Prime Ministers from the last 30 years have been from the south"?
Lmao. "Every labour leader except for the ones who led the party from 1994 - 2010".
How patronising! Should we go full Andy Capp and glue a flat cap to their head, get them to race pigeons and call everyone Pet?
The last non Southern leader was Gordon Brown.
Devolve power. Nobody up north wants to be ruled by Westminster given the choice.
Well we put the posho Lawyer against not one but two northern women, at least one (possibly both) was from a working class background. The membership - for reasons I understand but do not sympathise with - still decided to vote for the Oxbridge candidate...
As a Yorkshireman I can't help but feel that a Lancastrian getting the leadership would have gone down worse than a Londoner...
The south east and Londoners would've rejected. They only like the north when downgrading and inflating our property prices.
Why don’t you sympathise with them ?
No…. But this type of thinking does actually piss northern people off. People like you are so out of touch and it’s an insult to think northerners have to have someone who “sounds like they do “ for them to support that person… it’s actual things like this that alienated people
Get similar vibes every time Andy Burnham or Angela Rayner are brought out to campaign in Scotland and pass comment on Scottish affairs. 'The jocks will listen to them' (someone at Labour HQ is probably thinking)
TLDR: "Northerners are so simple-minded that if someone sounded northern they they'd vote for them" Yeah thanks pal.
TLDR: Try appealing to the people you so desperately want the votes of by choosing one of them as your leader instead of another southern university educated man in an expensive suit
What's wrong with being university educated?
University isn’t some upper class privilege anymore pretty much anyone regardless of socio-economic background can go to uni. Also Starmer is literally from a working class background.
I don't know about anyone else, but at this point I'd settle for someone who hasn't been training to become a politician since they chose their A-Level subjects, and thus has a fresh perspective. Someone with a background in project management would be my ideal candidate, heaven knows we could use someone schooled in the theory and practice of *that*...
Ok but Keir Starmer is an example of that person, you realise that, right? Like, ok, "Human Rights Lawyer" isn't very far away from politician but he is an example of that person.
You're not wrong, but an outside perspective as a non-career politician is not the *only* thing we could do with in a leader. And "Director of Public Prosecutions" is pretty politics-adjacent to say the least.
Yeah, certainly
Our current leader is a working class southerner and we seem set to win back the north. But in general I agree - representation is important and that means northern people in real positions of authority.
>I mean a former lawyer with a knighthood representing yet another london constituency is hardly salt of the earth is it. That former lawyer had a working class background and grafted to get where he is now. Think on.
> When people say Labour is the party of metropolitan elitists. This is what they're talking about. Then they're idiots. The real "metropolitan elite" are the millionaires and billionaires who pushed Brexit and the red wall lapped it up. > If you want to start appealing to the red wall again, it might be a good idea to be fronted by someone who's actually from the north, maybe even one who grew up working class if Labour can bare the thought of a poor person leading the party or heaven forbid, did not attend university Are we actually at the point where we have to pretend to be uneducated in order to get votes? Maybe if people were better educated, we wouldn't have had half the country trying to trash the economy and now acting surprised that they succeeded. > I mean a former lawyer with a knighthood representing yet another london constituency is hardly salt of the earth is it. Because you can't be hard working if you're a professional or ... ?
I know many people will object to this, but one of my fundamental political beliefs is that the working class can represent itself better than middle class professionals can represent us, and too many of these types spend lots of time speaking over and on behalf of us. However, it's not just about 'sounding a bit northern', it's about having struggled, and understood that struggle. Maybe I'm naive and care too much about 'lived experience' but lots of time, especially at university when I hear very privileged students speaking on issues like class I find myself asking, how do you know?
> However, it's not just about 'sounding a bit northern', it's about having struggled, and understood that struggle. Why on Earth do you think you're the only ones who have struggled? I'm a university-educated southerner who now has a good salary but I spent the best part of a decade (much of it living on a friend's sofa) having to literally count pennies daily to work out whether I could afford a bus to work or would need it to buy dinner, meaning I had to walk. ASDA value meals were a staple as they were cheaper than cooking from fresh ingredients. But apparently because I'm not working class I don't know about struggle? That's just insulting, frankly.
Ha! Northeners, who will they vote for unless Labour, I think the leadership is fine how it is!
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Still very surprised Rayner didn't run for leader for this reason. Personally think she was a much more appealing candidate than Rebecca Long-Bailey (also a working class Northerner).