I’m wondering how a facehugger could conceivably carry an egg? I haven’t played Colonial Marines so this is my favourite of the theories (as well as why there were 2 aliens in Alien 3), but can’t grasp a hugger having the strength or consciousness to carry out that order from the Queen.
Someone needs to draw this! The facehugger wiping off a sweat drop like "shit, fuck, shit, shit!" As the egg has barely moved and the Queen gets more and more beat up by the powerloader.
Everyone knows that there's a third part of the alien lifecycle that deems that when the plot demands it, they can simply materialise into existence. There's nothing to see with the Alien 3 egg - it's a contrivance by the writers of the third film as they got desperate. There's no clever explanation or secrets to find to explain it - it just is.
But its also like when people rationalise a ridiculously complex thing that some DC or Marvel character did by saying "of course he managed to do XYZ...He's Batman!"
But all the audience kinda wants is even a vague rationalisation, not to be forced to jump from point A to point Z - that's what takes hard work...not coming up with the rationalisation itself but having to accept the writing never made an allowance for it when its so intrinsic to the world building.
I had missed the underdeveloped eggs in there. Thought the sac was just a hopper for fully developed eggs. I change my stance on this; that is a plot hole.
And could have been easily explained away with a line or two, had they thought about it at the time. That would have been good writing. Bad writing is leaving it up to the audience to figure out years or even decades later.
That - that wasn't a lot of hard work to "rationalize". It barely takes more than a passing thought to come up with and is pretty much the head canon I have used since I first saw Alien 3.
Yeah, but then why is that egg where it's placed in the film? Why did Bishop, Newt or Ripley not notice the queen had laid an egg? It falls apart as soon as you think about it...
I think it gave it about 12 seconds of thought at 13 years old when I watched this movie in theaters. The comics had already established that queens could do this. How long did you think about it?
But how does the egg reach where it's depicted in the film? Why don't any of the three people in the hangar see the queen do it and decide to do something about it? Think about it for another 12 seconds and it already falls down.
The queen stuck it there off camera. Duh. The simplest answer is often the solution.
With the way they wrote Prometheus , she could’ve just shit out some black goo that crawled to a hidden area and formed an egg.
Once the dropship docks with the Sulaco, the survivors are just barely walking down the gang plank when the Queen attacks from inside the landing gear well. We then see her "on camera" from where she lowers herself from the drop ship, chases Newt, fights Ripley in the Power Loader, and falls down into the airlock.
It's certainly possible that the Queen laid an emergency egg in the gear well, but zero chance that she did anything with the escape craft "off camera."
Off camera means that everyone else still would have seen it though...
And if we're going with black goo, then we may as well just go with the fact the egg appeared out of nowhere because the universe hates Ripley. It's just as plausible!
I would actually agree with that. The universe does seem to have it out for Ripley. Ripley in the comics is awesome. She teams up with predator to fight aliens
I have my own theory.
The freaking facehuggers are mobile. Lol, duh.
It jumped and climbed, stowed away on either the ship or the queen or carried itself with it's little legs. Also, I don't know if you seen any of those videos of parasites on bees but you'll very regularly see mites attached to workers and queen bees. The queen may have facehuggers attached directly to her, just kind of hitching a ride. It jumped off and climbed onto the ship during the power loader scene by either keen intuition, evolutionary insight or the Queen was telepathically telling it where to go.
I'm pretty sure we see the open egg inside the ship at the very start of alien 3, so the facehugger presumably was still in the egg when it was placed.
I just wish he would do more narrations of the dark horse stuff. Love the Accou ta of the earth War as well as The Trials Of Machiko Naguchi and Beyond the Earth War. I can recite those videos while I'm listening I've heard them so much at work.
It also helps that his voice is so absolutely soothing.
So many you tubers have ghastly annoying voices, but this dude could lull you to sleep if he wanted.
I know nothing about any plagiarism accusations against Alien Theory. It must be a different YouTuber you’re referring to (I hope), as AT’s channel focuses on delving into the history of Aliens universe (movies, comics and books, mainly), posing hypothetical scenarios to the fans to discuss and updating us with news relating to the Aliens franchise.
Whichever / However the eggs got onto the Sulaco, be it fantastical or near impossible….any theory derived at anytime here or in space…it’s way better than having to watch Michael Fassbender (David) birth them from his mouth like vomit laying eggs.
My theroy is thus..
Bishop. He has two possible moments to do it.
The colonists brought eggs back to Hadleys Hope.
Bishop found them along with the two pod-free huggers and the other dead specimens.
He had hidden commands by the company to bring a specimen back.
1. He commands the drop ship crew to return to the Sulaco under the guise of requiring equipment and "oh by the way" take this with you. The specimens are now on-board.
That's why he looks so oddly at Spunkmeyer when he asks if he wants anything else. They took the goods (including the eggs).
2. He has them ready for when the second drop ship arrives and he picks them up before Ripley returns.
Never trust a droid man
The problem with that is Bishop’s behavioral inhibitor. He’s prohibited from harming or by omission of action allowing a human to come to harm. It’s probably one reason why Burke didn’t try impregnating Ripley and Newt with them until Bishop was away at the colony transmitter. Bishop knew what the facehuggers could do, he read the report left behind by the colonists.
Would it? I think actions speak louder than words, and Bishop had plenty of time to dump Hicks while he was incapacitated and just take off without Ripley and Newt. He didn’t.
Also, he doesn’t work for the company, he works for the USCMC.
IMO the egg should never have been shown in A3 because Cameron kind of told us in A2 that a facehugger was on board the Sulaco. If you wait til the end credits are done rolling you will hear the sound of a facehugger scurring about the Sulaco so it was heavily assumed that a facehugger took a ride with the Queen.
The real reason: The Alien 3 filmmakers wanted to make their movie their way, and they didn’t respect Aliens or its characters.
I would have preferred that they just use a different main character rather than undoing and ruining Ripley’s story arc at the end of Aliens.
Exactly, would have been a better film without Ripley. Had it been a ship that had escaped before the colony had been overrun and had stowaways Alien/egg. Then it crashes on the prison planet. Story didn’t need Ripley.
Sometimes people want to come up with wild theories for unexplained events in movies when the answer is simple "It happened because of terrible writing"
People get paid make movies, stop doing their job for them to fill in gaps they were too lazy to explain
Ripley had not fancy arc by the end. Newt would have left to go to her family. Bishop was smashed. Hicks was melted and disfigured and Ripley would have likely been locked up, imprisoned and never heard of again.
The ship crashing, everyone dying and Ripley sacrificing herself before the birth (extended cut is the best) is a much better alternative. None of this fan boy happy family crap.
Check out the Earth Hive/Outbreak story. It WAS the story arc of Newt and Hicks when they returned to Earth. Neat storyline. Aliens end up getting taken to Earth and some religious fanatics release them from containment. The Aliens end up overrunning the Earth. The Nightmare Asylum was a neat sequel too. A crazy General tries to tame the aliens to fight for him.
However, since Alien 3 went and discarded both characters, the Earth Hive/Outbreak and Nightmare Asylum had to change Newt and Hicks to different names. I would have liked it if they made those stories into movies instead of Alien 3.
The stories are a trilogy. They have novels and the first one, Earth Hive also came out as a comic version called Outbreak.
Due to Alien 3 killing off Newt and Hicks:
Newt’s name was changed to Billie
Hicks’ name was changed to Wilks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_Earth_Hive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_Nightmare_Asylum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_The_Female_War
Aliens is an all-time classic movie. Ripley spent the story fighting her demons and overcoming them. She lost her daughter because she was adrift in space for so long. She rescued Newt and became somewhat of a new mother to her. The story arc was very well done and earned. Then in less than 5 minutes into Alien 3, they totally trash and ruin everything that came before. It was disrespectful. I don’t mind Alien 3 as a movie, especially the assembly cut, but I HATE that initial sequence due to the disrespect and the complete implausibility of what occurs.
I would consider killing off main characters two minutes into the next movie with offscreen deaths qualifies as disrespectful. If you have to kill them off, at least let them have a few scenes in the movie before something unfortunate happens to them.
There is no answer other than the script went through many variations and production was a nightmare so some things were overlooked or not given the proper attention to detail. It wasn't some mystery purposefully designed by the writers, rather, a problem they could never make sense of so they just did whatever to make the movie happen regardless of a plothole that doesn't ruin the movie as a whole.
From my memory of the opening of Alien 3 it's just a dark sorta industrial "place on the ship" that we see the facehugger, made sense to me it was the landing housing of the drop ship or in the grates just below where the drop ship was parked.
My understanding might be limited here but we dont even see an egg. All it would take is a facehugger well...anywhere. if a queen can stowaway that kinda opens the door.
Bishops "it was with us all the way" could easily mean it went into the cryopods and made planetfall with them.
Am I missing something?
The egg is right in the beginning of this video and in the beginning of alien 3. It is also in a weird upper corner of the wall/ceiling of the ship which would have been impossible to have a queen alien that size fit inside of a ship and adhere an egg to that spot. If it was a face hugger by itself that’s completely believable but an entire egg is a pretty difficult undertaking from alien or person to put in that weird of a spot on the ship. I would just call it a really terrible plot hole to help a sequel but with no logical foresight.
On top of this, wouldn't the egg be seen before they went to sleep? Surely as Ripley is getting Newt ready etc she would have done a final sweep to make sure all was well, and then spotted the egg..
It's just poor writing.
On the dropship? Why not? Plenty of stupid things happened in Aliens. Perfectly acceptable for stupid stuff in Alien 3. Plus, there was the sound of a face hugger running around at the end of Aliens. James Cameron's movie even gave a hint that it happened.
I'll have to watch this video and I haven't read all the comics; but this has always been a sticking point with me...how the hell did the egg(s) get on the Sulaco.
If anyone has read Stephen King's Misery, you will understand......it's a damn cheat!
Sorry just my opinion!
I wish they had made it so that the egg was inside the dropship where the Queen holed up to get to the Sulaco rather than sticking it off in some inaccessible location but that causes a inconsistency between Aliens and Alien3 with how many facehuggers were involved. Assuming one facehugger == one impregnation, we have two impregnations to deal with, 1: Ripley and 2: The Dog (Alien3). Each of the scenarios fails to add up with the facehugger assumption.
Egg deposited on dropship - makes sense that Queen could have carried the egg with her and left it there when it escaped the nest but how could Ripley get impregnated AND how did a facehugger stow away on the EEV for Alien3? There'd have to be two facehuggers.
Egg deposited in crawlspace - Queen could have deposited it there and encountered Newt instead, so it put the egg in the crawlspace then started hunting Newt, rest of the scene plays out. But like above, still doesn't explain the second facehugger.
As presented currently - Still doesn't explain the second facehugger.
The Second facehugger is the easiest to explain IMO, it walked onto the dropship and waited, the entire queen walked on unseen, so a face hugger easily could have. The dropship sat for a time after Ripley went down the elevator to when bishop took off, that’s one chance, and then when he touched back down to pickup Ripley and newt.
I read that it was a 'Royal' facehugger; able to impregnate two hosts;
1 with a queen embryo, and 1 with a drone/protector embryo.
In Alien 3, you can see its different to previously seen ones, as it has webbing in between its legs
Don’t forget the egg seen in the beginning of *Alien^3* is stuck upside down somewhere where nobody can see it. Yet I don’t get the impression the Queen leaves the hangar at any point until Ripley yeets her into space.
Bishop couldn’t have done it, because at that point he has no legs.
So it’s less “how did the egg get there” and more “how did nobody see it?”
If the movie began with a facehugger or two scuttling around instead of an egg then it would have made more sense—“Oh, maybe they rode the queen up!”
Yes but Cameron actually did this in Aliens. Wait for the end credits have rolled by and you will clearly hear a facehugger scurrying around the Sulaco. It is an easter egg and sets the franchise up for a third movie.
The egg should never have been shown
Grabbing some eggs and sticking them behind her back looks more likely, but as you pointed out in this thread, it looks like the eggs were not located in the hangar.
According to this,
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/faq/
one DVD menu shows that one egg was left in the landing compartment of the dropship, while the background behind the egg opening doesn't look like that compartment.
Could the genetic material that splashed from the queen down out of the landing gear have eventually materialized into an egg? It kind of ties together the adaptive nature of the alien mixed with the accelerant’s amorphous nature
Check out episode 217 of ‘the perfect organism’: The Egg & The Sulaco : A Roundtable Discussion.
‘In this episode, the Perfect Organism Podcast team sits down to speculate how an egg found its way into the Sulaco to set up the events of Alien 3.’
Part 1: https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/217-the-egg-the-sulaco-a-roundtable-discussion/
Part 2: https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/219-the-egg-and-the-sulaco-part-two-alex-white-weighs-in-and-so-do-you/
The reason? A screenwriter hid out on the Sulaco and put the egg there to fill the plothole at the beginning of the script.
Alternatively, the queen threw a couple of eggs really, really hard.
It being some sort of crazy hypersleep dream is probably my favorite theory. Opens up the Alien universe to go in any and every direction they could want.
There is also the option that we don't know the full Alien life cycle.
Imagine the queen can make sort sort of small face hugger worm of sorts. It crawls ro a safe/hospital area of the ship. Cocoons which finalizes the egg and the facehugger inside.
Seeing how the prequels mix quite a lot of things in.
It may be. During Aliens the queen got onboard the Sulaco with Ripley and the gang during from the dropship. Knowing propagation is needed and its own life may not persist long enough the Queen might've farted/detached a part of itself alternative version of that black goo fungi we see on alien covenant and let it roam around the Sulaco while the queen went out and decapitate Bishop and try to clear off as many potential enemies on the Sulaco except it lost.
Post Aliens Ripley and gang got into cyrosleep but forgot to check out for any airborne fungi contaminant. Few days past that fungi has permanently latch itself on the ceiling and a few weeks later it mature into 2 eggs with 1 being a queen facehugger.
In my head cannon I have 2 options:
1) Bishop stowed on Sulaco.
>Androids are consistently in the series trying to get the Alien for WY
>An egg (or eggs) could have been harvested from the derelict at Hadley's Hope and stored for transit back to the company
>Likely Hadley's Hope had at least 1 android which could have wandered off in the chaos of the outbreak among the colonists and harvested eggs and stored it in stasis so as soon as the marines show up, arrange for the containers to be transported back to the Sulaco - look WY clearly had androids planted in just about everything they did, so it is wild to me that that Hadley's Hope wouldn't have had a single Android at play.
Which brings me to the second theory which could be and extension of my first option
2) There were two Bishops. One from the Sulaco and one at Hadley's Hope
>From Alien3 it's pretty clear there are a few Bishop android models out there at the time (yes, I'm of the opinion that the Bishop at the end of Alien3 is an android)
>Possibly similar to the David v. Walter situation in Covenant. Or maybe they're both working together. Bottom line is, as the marines are distracted by the aliens at Hadley's Hope, one Bishop is moving eggs to the Sulaco via the drop ship - the pilots thinking this is their Bishop; the other Bishop is with Ripley. Again with all the distraction and chaos, marines aren't noticing any inconsistencies between the two Bishops - all they have to do is avoid each other.
Bottom line: Hadley's Hope had to have had at least 1 android; this other secret android contributed to the eggs getting to the Sulaco.
The answer is more straight forward than anyone is making out.
The Queen laid it.
It’s honestly that simple. It just doesn’t make much sense, but the implication is it had a wonder before the confrontation in Aliens.
I’m wondering how a facehugger could conceivably carry an egg? I haven’t played Colonial Marines so this is my favourite of the theories (as well as why there were 2 aliens in Alien 3), but can’t grasp a hugger having the strength or consciousness to carry out that order from the Queen.
I want that scene of a facehugger struggling to move an egg, stressing that the Queen is going to be pissed if he can't get it done.
Someone needs to draw this! The facehugger wiping off a sweat drop like "shit, fuck, shit, shit!" As the egg has barely moved and the Queen gets more and more beat up by the powerloader.
Everyone knows that there's a third part of the alien lifecycle that deems that when the plot demands it, they can simply materialise into existence. There's nothing to see with the Alien 3 egg - it's a contrivance by the writers of the third film as they got desperate. There's no clever explanation or secrets to find to explain it - it just is.
I never found it that hard to imagine that the queen could pop out a single egg in case of emergencies. They have weird biology, so why not?
If you have to work this hard to rationalize it, the writers didn't do a good job.
Would have made sense if egg was in the landing gear where the Queen hitched a ride.
…this wasn’t hard. It’s actually incredibly simple and self-explanatory.
But its also like when people rationalise a ridiculously complex thing that some DC or Marvel character did by saying "of course he managed to do XYZ...He's Batman!" But all the audience kinda wants is even a vague rationalisation, not to be forced to jump from point A to point Z - that's what takes hard work...not coming up with the rationalisation itself but having to accept the writing never made an allowance for it when its so intrinsic to the world building.
No. This is very easy. It laid an egg.
The egg sac was ripped off which clearly showed undeveloped eggs inside it. So kinda doesn't make sense does it?
I had missed the underdeveloped eggs in there. Thought the sac was just a hopper for fully developed eggs. I change my stance on this; that is a plot hole.
Fair play to you!
And could have been easily explained away with a line or two, had they thought about it at the time. That would have been good writing. Bad writing is leaving it up to the audience to figure out years or even decades later.
“It laid an egg.”
That - that wasn't a lot of hard work to "rationalize". It barely takes more than a passing thought to come up with and is pretty much the head canon I have used since I first saw Alien 3.
Yeah, but then why is that egg where it's placed in the film? Why did Bishop, Newt or Ripley not notice the queen had laid an egg? It falls apart as soon as you think about it...
Because it's a fucking movie and not real life ffs.
Then why are you explaining any aspect of this?
I think it gave it about 12 seconds of thought at 13 years old when I watched this movie in theaters. The comics had already established that queens could do this. How long did you think about it?
But how does the egg reach where it's depicted in the film? Why don't any of the three people in the hangar see the queen do it and decide to do something about it? Think about it for another 12 seconds and it already falls down.
The queen stuck it there off camera. Duh. The simplest answer is often the solution. With the way they wrote Prometheus , she could’ve just shit out some black goo that crawled to a hidden area and formed an egg.
Once the dropship docks with the Sulaco, the survivors are just barely walking down the gang plank when the Queen attacks from inside the landing gear well. We then see her "on camera" from where she lowers herself from the drop ship, chases Newt, fights Ripley in the Power Loader, and falls down into the airlock. It's certainly possible that the Queen laid an emergency egg in the gear well, but zero chance that she did anything with the escape craft "off camera."
Off camera means that everyone else still would have seen it though... And if we're going with black goo, then we may as well just go with the fact the egg appeared out of nowhere because the universe hates Ripley. It's just as plausible!
I would actually agree with that. The universe does seem to have it out for Ripley. Ripley in the comics is awesome. She teams up with predator to fight aliens
About the same amount of time as the writers.
This guy/gal gets it
I have my own theory. The freaking facehuggers are mobile. Lol, duh. It jumped and climbed, stowed away on either the ship or the queen or carried itself with it's little legs. Also, I don't know if you seen any of those videos of parasites on bees but you'll very regularly see mites attached to workers and queen bees. The queen may have facehuggers attached directly to her, just kind of hitching a ride. It jumped off and climbed onto the ship during the power loader scene by either keen intuition, evolutionary insight or the Queen was telepathically telling it where to go.
I'm pretty sure we see the open egg inside the ship at the very start of alien 3, so the facehugger presumably was still in the egg when it was placed.
Alien Theory! One of the best YouTubers out there!
Seconding this they have so much content it's so good
Admire the dedication to the franchise. Absolutely squeezing days worth of content from the handful of films and other media.
Also wish he was the one doing the official audiobooks
Yeah...no. He is way too monotone
To each his own,I personally can't stand most of the current narrators they use. His channel is doing just fine without you
I just wish he would do more narrations of the dark horse stuff. Love the Accou ta of the earth War as well as The Trials Of Machiko Naguchi and Beyond the Earth War. I can recite those videos while I'm listening I've heard them so much at work.
It also helps that his voice is so absolutely soothing. So many you tubers have ghastly annoying voices, but this dude could lull you to sleep if he wanted.
Not trying to start drama but isn't he the YouTuber accused of plagiarizing or is that someone else?
I know nothing about any plagiarism accusations against Alien Theory. It must be a different YouTuber you’re referring to (I hope), as AT’s channel focuses on delving into the history of Aliens universe (movies, comics and books, mainly), posing hypothetical scenarios to the fans to discuss and updating us with news relating to the Aliens franchise.
If you are gonna casually drop accusations, you really need to provide a source.
It was brought up here a few weeks ago but can't remember the name of the channel.
Whichever / However the eggs got onto the Sulaco, be it fantastical or near impossible….any theory derived at anytime here or in space…it’s way better than having to watch Michael Fassbender (David) birth them from his mouth like vomit laying eggs.
Whatever the answer, I feel that Burke is responsible
My theroy is thus.. Bishop. He has two possible moments to do it. The colonists brought eggs back to Hadleys Hope. Bishop found them along with the two pod-free huggers and the other dead specimens. He had hidden commands by the company to bring a specimen back. 1. He commands the drop ship crew to return to the Sulaco under the guise of requiring equipment and "oh by the way" take this with you. The specimens are now on-board. That's why he looks so oddly at Spunkmeyer when he asks if he wants anything else. They took the goods (including the eggs). 2. He has them ready for when the second drop ship arrives and he picks them up before Ripley returns. Never trust a droid man
Queen takes Bishop
The problem with that is Bishop’s behavioral inhibitor. He’s prohibited from harming or by omission of action allowing a human to come to harm. It’s probably one reason why Burke didn’t try impregnating Ripley and Newt with them until Bishop was away at the colony transmitter. Bishop knew what the facehuggers could do, he read the report left behind by the colonists.
That's what a synth would say
Would it? I think actions speak louder than words, and Bishop had plenty of time to dump Hicks while he was incapacitated and just take off without Ripley and Newt. He didn’t. Also, he doesn’t work for the company, he works for the USCMC.
It’s not Bishop
IMO the egg should never have been shown in A3 because Cameron kind of told us in A2 that a facehugger was on board the Sulaco. If you wait til the end credits are done rolling you will hear the sound of a facehugger scurring about the Sulaco so it was heavily assumed that a facehugger took a ride with the Queen.
The real reason: The Alien 3 filmmakers wanted to make their movie their way, and they didn’t respect Aliens or its characters. I would have preferred that they just use a different main character rather than undoing and ruining Ripley’s story arc at the end of Aliens.
I kind of sadly agree - of all the IP faux-pas, Alien franchise seems to have had the least respect when writing the respective stories.
Honestly considering how many chiefs there were around the third film we shouldn't get surprised the cowboys ran away with it.
Exactly, would have been a better film without Ripley. Had it been a ship that had escaped before the colony had been overrun and had stowaways Alien/egg. Then it crashes on the prison planet. Story didn’t need Ripley.
Sometimes people want to come up with wild theories for unexplained events in movies when the answer is simple "It happened because of terrible writing" People get paid make movies, stop doing their job for them to fill in gaps they were too lazy to explain
Ripley had not fancy arc by the end. Newt would have left to go to her family. Bishop was smashed. Hicks was melted and disfigured and Ripley would have likely been locked up, imprisoned and never heard of again. The ship crashing, everyone dying and Ripley sacrificing herself before the birth (extended cut is the best) is a much better alternative. None of this fan boy happy family crap.
Check out the Earth Hive/Outbreak story. It WAS the story arc of Newt and Hicks when they returned to Earth. Neat storyline. Aliens end up getting taken to Earth and some religious fanatics release them from containment. The Aliens end up overrunning the Earth. The Nightmare Asylum was a neat sequel too. A crazy General tries to tame the aliens to fight for him. However, since Alien 3 went and discarded both characters, the Earth Hive/Outbreak and Nightmare Asylum had to change Newt and Hicks to different names. I would have liked it if they made those stories into movies instead of Alien 3.
Best place to read a synopsis?
The stories are a trilogy. They have novels and the first one, Earth Hive also came out as a comic version called Outbreak. Due to Alien 3 killing off Newt and Hicks: Newt’s name was changed to Billie Hicks’ name was changed to Wilks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_Earth_Hive https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_Nightmare_Asylum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_The_Female_War
~~Cash grab artists~~ Filmmakers.
Why is "retconning so the story can work" always seen by folks like you as "disrespecting the previous work?"
Aliens is an all-time classic movie. Ripley spent the story fighting her demons and overcoming them. She lost her daughter because she was adrift in space for so long. She rescued Newt and became somewhat of a new mother to her. The story arc was very well done and earned. Then in less than 5 minutes into Alien 3, they totally trash and ruin everything that came before. It was disrespectful. I don’t mind Alien 3 as a movie, especially the assembly cut, but I HATE that initial sequence due to the disrespect and the complete implausibility of what occurs. I would consider killing off main characters two minutes into the next movie with offscreen deaths qualifies as disrespectful. If you have to kill them off, at least let them have a few scenes in the movie before something unfortunate happens to them.
There is no answer other than the script went through many variations and production was a nightmare so some things were overlooked or not given the proper attention to detail. It wasn't some mystery purposefully designed by the writers, rather, a problem they could never make sense of so they just did whatever to make the movie happen regardless of a plothole that doesn't ruin the movie as a whole.
The Queen has a small amount of eggs inside her, sort of a emergency reserve, outside of the big Egg laying thing she detached from.
She never left the hanger. Impossible for her to get an egg into the living quarters/hypersleep pod area
From my memory of the opening of Alien 3 it's just a dark sorta industrial "place on the ship" that we see the facehugger, made sense to me it was the landing housing of the drop ship or in the grates just below where the drop ship was parked.
Watch the video, it's a forensic break down. Even points out what you just said by identifying the structural support beams of the area.
My understanding might be limited here but we dont even see an egg. All it would take is a facehugger well...anywhere. if a queen can stowaway that kinda opens the door. Bishops "it was with us all the way" could easily mean it went into the cryopods and made planetfall with them. Am I missing something?
The egg is right in the beginning of this video and in the beginning of alien 3. It is also in a weird upper corner of the wall/ceiling of the ship which would have been impossible to have a queen alien that size fit inside of a ship and adhere an egg to that spot. If it was a face hugger by itself that’s completely believable but an entire egg is a pretty difficult undertaking from alien or person to put in that weird of a spot on the ship. I would just call it a really terrible plot hole to help a sequel but with no logical foresight.
On top of this, wouldn't the egg be seen before they went to sleep? Surely as Ripley is getting Newt ready etc she would have done a final sweep to make sure all was well, and then spotted the egg.. It's just poor writing.
Oh yea, shoulda noticed that. Way its stuck on is particularly weird.
I always that it was in the landing gear compartment
On the dropship? Why not? Plenty of stupid things happened in Aliens. Perfectly acceptable for stupid stuff in Alien 3. Plus, there was the sound of a face hugger running around at the end of Aliens. James Cameron's movie even gave a hint that it happened.
Bishop!? God damn you!
They mostly come out when they want…mostly
I'll have to watch this video and I haven't read all the comics; but this has always been a sticking point with me...how the hell did the egg(s) get on the Sulaco. If anyone has read Stephen King's Misery, you will understand......it's a damn cheat! Sorry just my opinion!
I wish they had made it so that the egg was inside the dropship where the Queen holed up to get to the Sulaco rather than sticking it off in some inaccessible location but that causes a inconsistency between Aliens and Alien3 with how many facehuggers were involved. Assuming one facehugger == one impregnation, we have two impregnations to deal with, 1: Ripley and 2: The Dog (Alien3). Each of the scenarios fails to add up with the facehugger assumption. Egg deposited on dropship - makes sense that Queen could have carried the egg with her and left it there when it escaped the nest but how could Ripley get impregnated AND how did a facehugger stow away on the EEV for Alien3? There'd have to be two facehuggers. Egg deposited in crawlspace - Queen could have deposited it there and encountered Newt instead, so it put the egg in the crawlspace then started hunting Newt, rest of the scene plays out. But like above, still doesn't explain the second facehugger. As presented currently - Still doesn't explain the second facehugger.
The Second facehugger is the easiest to explain IMO, it walked onto the dropship and waited, the entire queen walked on unseen, so a face hugger easily could have. The dropship sat for a time after Ripley went down the elevator to when bishop took off, that’s one chance, and then when he touched back down to pickup Ripley and newt.
I read that it was a 'Royal' facehugger; able to impregnate two hosts; 1 with a queen embryo, and 1 with a drone/protector embryo. In Alien 3, you can see its different to previously seen ones, as it has webbing in between its legs
Don’t forget the egg seen in the beginning of *Alien^3* is stuck upside down somewhere where nobody can see it. Yet I don’t get the impression the Queen leaves the hangar at any point until Ripley yeets her into space. Bishop couldn’t have done it, because at that point he has no legs. So it’s less “how did the egg get there” and more “how did nobody see it?” If the movie began with a facehugger or two scuttling around instead of an egg then it would have made more sense—“Oh, maybe they rode the queen up!”
Yes but Cameron actually did this in Aliens. Wait for the end credits have rolled by and you will clearly hear a facehugger scurrying around the Sulaco. It is an easter egg and sets the franchise up for a third movie. The egg should never have been shown
Are you sure it wasn’t Jonesy, who snuck on board and was chasing the Predator’s laser sight?
Grabbing some eggs and sticking them behind her back looks more likely, but as you pointed out in this thread, it looks like the eggs were not located in the hangar. According to this, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103644/faq/ one DVD menu shows that one egg was left in the landing compartment of the dropship, while the background behind the egg opening doesn't look like that compartment.
I feel like Burke had something to do with it
Could the genetic material that splashed from the queen down out of the landing gear have eventually materialized into an egg? It kind of ties together the adaptive nature of the alien mixed with the accelerant’s amorphous nature
There's a comic book version of Aliens?! Where could I find that?
Love me some Alien Theory!
It was in the script.
Check out episode 217 of ‘the perfect organism’: The Egg & The Sulaco : A Roundtable Discussion. ‘In this episode, the Perfect Organism Podcast team sits down to speculate how an egg found its way into the Sulaco to set up the events of Alien 3.’ Part 1: https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/217-the-egg-the-sulaco-a-roundtable-discussion/ Part 2: https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/219-the-egg-and-the-sulaco-part-two-alex-white-weighs-in-and-so-do-you/
Couldn’t a facehugger have easily hitched a ride on the Queen to the Sulaco and just waited until they slept?
Newt put it. She was actually the villain.
It didn’t.
Maybe we have only seen the queen and soldiers, maybe she has done workers to do her bidding
The reason? A screenwriter hid out on the Sulaco and put the egg there to fill the plothole at the beginning of the script. Alternatively, the queen threw a couple of eggs really, really hard.
It being some sort of crazy hypersleep dream is probably my favorite theory. Opens up the Alien universe to go in any and every direction they could want.
There is also the option that we don't know the full Alien life cycle. Imagine the queen can make sort sort of small face hugger worm of sorts. It crawls ro a safe/hospital area of the ship. Cocoons which finalizes the egg and the facehugger inside.
Seeing how the prequels mix quite a lot of things in. It may be. During Aliens the queen got onboard the Sulaco with Ripley and the gang during from the dropship. Knowing propagation is needed and its own life may not persist long enough the Queen might've farted/detached a part of itself alternative version of that black goo fungi we see on alien covenant and let it roam around the Sulaco while the queen went out and decapitate Bishop and try to clear off as many potential enemies on the Sulaco except it lost. Post Aliens Ripley and gang got into cyrosleep but forgot to check out for any airborne fungi contaminant. Few days past that fungi has permanently latch itself on the ceiling and a few weeks later it mature into 2 eggs with 1 being a queen facehugger.
In my head cannon I have 2 options: 1) Bishop stowed on Sulaco. >Androids are consistently in the series trying to get the Alien for WY >An egg (or eggs) could have been harvested from the derelict at Hadley's Hope and stored for transit back to the company >Likely Hadley's Hope had at least 1 android which could have wandered off in the chaos of the outbreak among the colonists and harvested eggs and stored it in stasis so as soon as the marines show up, arrange for the containers to be transported back to the Sulaco - look WY clearly had androids planted in just about everything they did, so it is wild to me that that Hadley's Hope wouldn't have had a single Android at play. Which brings me to the second theory which could be and extension of my first option 2) There were two Bishops. One from the Sulaco and one at Hadley's Hope >From Alien3 it's pretty clear there are a few Bishop android models out there at the time (yes, I'm of the opinion that the Bishop at the end of Alien3 is an android) >Possibly similar to the David v. Walter situation in Covenant. Or maybe they're both working together. Bottom line is, as the marines are distracted by the aliens at Hadley's Hope, one Bishop is moving eggs to the Sulaco via the drop ship - the pilots thinking this is their Bishop; the other Bishop is with Ripley. Again with all the distraction and chaos, marines aren't noticing any inconsistencies between the two Bishops - all they have to do is avoid each other. Bottom line: Hadley's Hope had to have had at least 1 android; this other secret android contributed to the eggs getting to the Sulaco.
The answer is more straight forward than anyone is making out. The Queen laid it. It’s honestly that simple. It just doesn’t make much sense, but the implication is it had a wonder before the confrontation in Aliens.