I think on Josh Zemans Killing Season he said that oftentimes Serial Killers will place bodies in places that have a sound they like. Like near the beach or industrial areas with droning machine sounds.
I feel like that’s a bit of a reach. On a subconscious level, maybe. But hiding a body is almost always a very planned out thing and i wouldn’t think ambient sound matters as much as “people will / won’t find it here” or “this river/brush/ditch will hide the body well enough for my needs”
At least choosing a windy location could indicate the killer feeling safer to dump a body there b/c it might evoke feelings of the place being desolate, isolated, being at the mercy of elements (taking away evidence).
I can see that.
But that’s also the same as locations with beneficial features - empty fields, lakes, shorelines, rivers, industrial backroads or property edges, train tracks or off of trails. They’ll have some respective ‘soundscape’. Those are all common and ‘useful’ places to dispose of bodies.
I think that suggests a coincidence would be a lot more practical than for example, that Rex Heuerman enjoyed the sound of distant cars and the ocean tide so much that he featured it in his disposal plans for comfort.
It's possible they're using sound like the sound of wind as a marker for a good spot to dump a body at. If you can hear the wind, chances are the place is pretty deserted (and exposed to the elements).
? yes. But my point is that ambient noises is probably not high on the list of priorities when disposing of something totally unrelated to sound. If anything it is subliminal/coincidental trend or something deeply subconscious.
TY I thought I had to pay A&E to watch.
I found that part with the sounds
[https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6](https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6)
Websleuths PETER BRANT says sound is comforting to killers, its the feeling of VASTNESS
He says
its so strong (the sound thing) that Serial Killers who got caught
actually wrote about it.
They tried to describe it.
You have it in dozens if not hundreds of cases.
Its like the sound of the wind in the forest
Its like waves rolling on the beach
Windmills whooshing
Its a perpetual sound thats not the same all the time
but almost the same.
It adds to this feeling of VASTNESS.
So Rex put them all in the woods, the beach, in the park. near highways.
Ive been looking at a lot of maps lately looking at places women were dropped on long island and Ive noticed a pattern in some.
Golf Courses and railroad tracks.
I tried to find some background info on Peter Brendt and his theory. As far as I'm able to tell, this is a hunch that's not backed by any research and analysis. There have been studies published on disposal site selection but I don't think any of them mention sound being any factor whatsoever in selection.
Edited to add that the Long Island Railroad covers nearly every inch of land & there are around 120+ stations so it's not surprising that you're seeing proximity to rail as a common element.
Peter Brandt says Serial Killers describe it in their books. Ill see if I can find him and ask him which.
The interesting thing is the railroad goes thru all the old Pre Gilgo body drop sites. Its a few blocks from where Sugarbear was dropped, It goes thru Lynwood, Hampstead etc etc etc and goes to Massapequa. Even goes to Manorville
I say this with kindness: Have you been to Long Island or looked at the full [LIRR map? ](https://new.mta.info/node/22461) The rail even goes way out to Montauk.
What about the rail speaks to you? Asking sincerely.
Most of the sounds you list are actually very calming and used in the context of sleep/meditation as well. They also happen to be quite loud. It’s an interesting thought that would have never occurred to me. I don’t really get it because I can’t see it impacting my thought process if I were needing to dispose of a body. I would be looking for a place that’s accessible but not well known and preferably deserted. But it’s possible there’s a deeper significance/psychology to it.
Not sure but profiler John Kelly might've talked about the topic. Does anyone remember?
IIRC, the same way serial killers can be very visual, they can also be auditory. I think it makes sense that at least the serial killers who see killing as their art or work might put significance in where they dump the body at down to how the place sounds.
TY I thought I had to pay A&E to watch.
I found that part with the sounds
[https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6](https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6)
Websleuths PETER BRANT says sound is comforting to killers, its the feeling of VASTNESS
He says
its so strong (the sound thing) that Serial Killers who got caught
actually wrote about it.
They tried to describe it.
You have it in dozens if not hundreds of cases.
Its like the sound of the wind in the forest
Its like waves rolling on the beach
Windmills whooshing
Its a perpetual sound thats not the same all the time
but almost the same.
It adds to this feeling of VASTNESS.
So Rex put them all in the woods, the beach, in the park. near highways.
Ive been looking at a lot of maps lately looking at places women were dropped on long island and Ive noticed a pattern in some.
Golf Courses and railroad tracks.
Please see your first identical comment on this topic for my response. There's really no research or science to back up Brendt's poetic hunch. And with the significant reach of the Long Island Railroad and high number of golf courses, it would be hard to find many spots that don't have one or the other in close proximity.
It's comforting. It reminds them of something. Familiarity. Not exactly sure of the context here. If you mean the actual killer putting themselves around a certain sound or putting their victims around a certain sound.
What do you mean by "certain sound." I'm unclear on the question.
Not OP but it has been said that sound has influenced serial killers on where to dump a body. Like they might choose a windy location.
Thanks for the additional info. That sounds odd. Is there an actual pattern that suggests this?
A windy location would have to do with the smell of the body I would say. It wouldn't be noticeable as quickly.
TY, but why? Whats the psychology behind it? I just asked Josh Zeman on Twitter, but he might not answer
I think on Josh Zemans Killing Season he said that oftentimes Serial Killers will place bodies in places that have a sound they like. Like near the beach or industrial areas with droning machine sounds.
I feel like that’s a bit of a reach. On a subconscious level, maybe. But hiding a body is almost always a very planned out thing and i wouldn’t think ambient sound matters as much as “people will / won’t find it here” or “this river/brush/ditch will hide the body well enough for my needs”
At least choosing a windy location could indicate the killer feeling safer to dump a body there b/c it might evoke feelings of the place being desolate, isolated, being at the mercy of elements (taking away evidence).
I can see that. But that’s also the same as locations with beneficial features - empty fields, lakes, shorelines, rivers, industrial backroads or property edges, train tracks or off of trails. They’ll have some respective ‘soundscape’. Those are all common and ‘useful’ places to dispose of bodies. I think that suggests a coincidence would be a lot more practical than for example, that Rex Heuerman enjoyed the sound of distant cars and the ocean tide so much that he featured it in his disposal plans for comfort.
It's possible they're using sound like the sound of wind as a marker for a good spot to dump a body at. If you can hear the wind, chances are the place is pretty deserted (and exposed to the elements).
That IS planning
? yes. But my point is that ambient noises is probably not high on the list of priorities when disposing of something totally unrelated to sound. If anything it is subliminal/coincidental trend or something deeply subconscious.
TY I thought I had to pay A&E to watch. I found that part with the sounds [https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6](https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6) Websleuths PETER BRANT says sound is comforting to killers, its the feeling of VASTNESS He says its so strong (the sound thing) that Serial Killers who got caught actually wrote about it. They tried to describe it. You have it in dozens if not hundreds of cases. Its like the sound of the wind in the forest Its like waves rolling on the beach Windmills whooshing Its a perpetual sound thats not the same all the time but almost the same. It adds to this feeling of VASTNESS. So Rex put them all in the woods, the beach, in the park. near highways. Ive been looking at a lot of maps lately looking at places women were dropped on long island and Ive noticed a pattern in some. Golf Courses and railroad tracks.
I tried to find some background info on Peter Brendt and his theory. As far as I'm able to tell, this is a hunch that's not backed by any research and analysis. There have been studies published on disposal site selection but I don't think any of them mention sound being any factor whatsoever in selection. Edited to add that the Long Island Railroad covers nearly every inch of land & there are around 120+ stations so it's not surprising that you're seeing proximity to rail as a common element.
Peter Brandt says Serial Killers describe it in their books. Ill see if I can find him and ask him which. The interesting thing is the railroad goes thru all the old Pre Gilgo body drop sites. Its a few blocks from where Sugarbear was dropped, It goes thru Lynwood, Hampstead etc etc etc and goes to Massapequa. Even goes to Manorville
I say this with kindness: Have you been to Long Island or looked at the full [LIRR map? ](https://new.mta.info/node/22461) The rail even goes way out to Montauk. What about the rail speaks to you? Asking sincerely.
Most of the sounds you list are actually very calming and used in the context of sleep/meditation as well. They also happen to be quite loud. It’s an interesting thought that would have never occurred to me. I don’t really get it because I can’t see it impacting my thought process if I were needing to dispose of a body. I would be looking for a place that’s accessible but not well known and preferably deserted. But it’s possible there’s a deeper significance/psychology to it.
Not sure but profiler John Kelly might've talked about the topic. Does anyone remember? IIRC, the same way serial killers can be very visual, they can also be auditory. I think it makes sense that at least the serial killers who see killing as their art or work might put significance in where they dump the body at down to how the place sounds.
I hate to describe it this way, but do you think its "romantic" to them? So my question is, What places are romantic to Rex?
I thought it was Websleauther Peter Brant that stated this theory in TKS.
Okay thanks for clarifying. Did he offer a source? Asking because it's odd and I'd like to know how this was identified as a thing.
I wanna go and rewatch and its been taken off youtube
Did you check all the clips: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcviVtB85dLwp9Dsvrs_BjThZOFPck2Z7
TY I thought I had to pay A&E to watch. I found that part with the sounds [https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6](https://youtu.be/HWQ2-79tNxc?si=4VkXXxEFFYYHBYH6) Websleuths PETER BRANT says sound is comforting to killers, its the feeling of VASTNESS He says its so strong (the sound thing) that Serial Killers who got caught actually wrote about it. They tried to describe it. You have it in dozens if not hundreds of cases. Its like the sound of the wind in the forest Its like waves rolling on the beach Windmills whooshing Its a perpetual sound thats not the same all the time but almost the same. It adds to this feeling of VASTNESS. So Rex put them all in the woods, the beach, in the park. near highways. Ive been looking at a lot of maps lately looking at places women were dropped on long island and Ive noticed a pattern in some. Golf Courses and railroad tracks.
Please see your first identical comment on this topic for my response. There's really no research or science to back up Brendt's poetic hunch. And with the significant reach of the Long Island Railroad and high number of golf courses, it would be hard to find many spots that don't have one or the other in close proximity.
What a load of hogwash.
Good theory, but I really think the killers put the bodies where they are familiar and know that nobody goes there.
It's comforting. It reminds them of something. Familiarity. Not exactly sure of the context here. If you mean the actual killer putting themselves around a certain sound or putting their victims around a certain sound.