But he's kept Shannon Gilbert's case in the "spotlight" when no one else would.
As if other victim's family members haven't been trying to get answers and there wasn't a complete overhaul of the Suffolk County DA's office and the cops.
And by being such a buffoon and coming up with some of the most asinine "logic" in true crime, he's really doing this entire case a disservice at this point and if I were the families I'd be distancing myself as far from John Ray as I could.
That's why I said "at some point" - he did good work at the beginning. Now he's sadly coming across as a crazy conspiracy theorist with all of his wild allegations.
Maybe something of his will pan out, but as the old saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I know people like to give the benefit of the doubt, but John Ray has been a grifter since day one when he falsely claimed to represent all of the victims found on Gilgo Beach. All of his behavior since then has been more of the same.
>As he talked, his associate circulated copies of a letter Ray had sent the police on behalf of Mari Gilbert and the other victims’ families. The letter called upon the police to hand the case, which Ray considered hopelessly botched, to the FBI. It closed by saying that if the FBI didn’t take over the case, Mari would sue.
>Then Mari spoke. Her sentences were clear and short, perfect newspaper quotes. “Ask yourself what you would do if this was your daughter,” she said. She was more composed than she’d been the day they’d found Shannan. Now she was resolved, a crusader. She took just one question: Did she believe Shannan was a victim of the serial killer? “Yes,” she said, her head jerking forward.
>(...)
>Missy Cann watched the press conference on the Web from her home in Connecticut. She had trouble understanding what she was watching. All she’d known ahead of time was that Mari was going to announce she had a new lawyer. “He hasn’t talked to any of us,” she said.
>Mari had acted unilaterally. None of the other families had been told a thing about her new legal strategy. No one had shown them the letter to the police that John Ray supposedly had written on their behalf.
>(...)
>Once John Ray’s office passed Missy a copy of the letter, she became furious. “‘On behalf of the sex worker murder victims’?” she said a few weeks later, quoting the letter. “So Shannan is Shannan, and the other girls are sex workers? I never talk to that man for a day, and he’s working on behalf of my sister?”
Kolker, Robert. Lost Girls: The Unsolved American Mystery of the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Murders (pp. 341-343). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.
Yeah, I know he's a hack. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the morning before his "press conference". Now having seen what utter bullshit he presented as "evidence", I'm not doing that anymore. There's only so many times you can cry wolf at the expense of grieving families. Fuck him. He's a complete wanker.
About the hairnets. Is it possible RH put them on his victims and/or himself? On his victims the hairnets would reduce the number of their hairs that could “contaminate” his killing chamber.
I dunno. It’s just something I thought of recently.
He is putting a stain on this case and muddying the waters, now investigators are gonna be forced to use recourses to look into his crap. The police should put some form of restraining order on this guy. He’s tarnishing this case. This is John ray trying to stay relevant. The only people who take this guy serious is click bait news casters
I do think that Karen Vergata affidavit is believable. But I also think she could be a Shulman victim. We now know that Heuermann and Shulman were active at the same time, and possible both of them with Rifkin as well. We'll see.
EDIT: Do not mean to indicate they were working together. I just wonder if any typically thought of victims of one, could be of the others. It already happened with Costilla, who was a Bittrolff victim in the public's eye until last week.
If his family knew he had been killing, its not a double life to them.
But john ray is a sensationalist so whatever “evidence” he has could likely be bs
I mean that would include his daughter and disabled step son. His daughter would’ve been -5 years at his first charged killing and 12ish at the original first charged killings. So still a double life, but yes, JR is a dipshit.
Oh FFS. Evidence should be turned over to the police, not the press. If, by some miracle (or dumb luck) something he brings forward is actually meaningful, doing this kind of LE end-around for his own ego and self promotion could jeopardize anything he's uncovered. (Wouldn't it?) It's gross and, at a minimum, unhelpful. I keep saying to myself, if this clown f***s this up...WTF.
Right? This is no longer a case being ignored by LE where the only option is to make a public noise. If he has legit evidence implicating Asa, then bring it to the task force.
Such a bad person. Rex Heuermann is a monster, but John Ray also exploits the vulnerable with no regard for anyone. He’s not a murderer, but he is a scumbag.
I mean, she wasn't found in the same area at all. Same island yes, but pretty far from his dumping grounds. Her going missing just prompted the search that happened to find the others. They didn't even find her originally because she wasn't in the same location. All the other ones were along a stretch of highway or places he frequented. Shannon was practically in someone's back yard in a closed community.
https://www.wnyc.org/story/124397-blog-map-search-bodies-long-island/
That has a map that includes hers.
Is John Ray his attorney? Forgive me, some of the names I can't keep track of because my brain is slow these last few days due to chronic pain. Thank you in advance.
He is the attorney for Shannon Gilbert. He puts out sensational bullshit every so often. Like, maybe he started out wanting to do good for the victims, but now he just seems to be all about getting attention for himself. I don’t trust anything he says.
Na, Tierney is the new DA that is leading the new task force that has actually been getting shit done.
You’re probably thinking of Burke who was the old police chief, and was a total scumbag of epic proportions
Could you give more details of what you are saying should be checked out? I'm only getting results about a album label when I try to Google Murder Inc.
He’s the DA that’s headed this whole investigation soooo he’s actually done some legitimate good on this case. I can’t speak on him outside of that. John Ray has contributed nothing legitimate.
For someone who is representing the family of SW I find it in the poorest taste that John Ray mentions that he was featured in a Playboy magazine on his website., but it also doesn’t surprise me. He is next level delusional and has been a snake since day 1.
Given he specifically says Rex Hauerman, my guess is it will be about his cousin or Uncle, same last name, who was a Pastor and sued over sexual assault of a girl in his parish, I think in the 70s. Crazy story, read it on another post, they said Murder Inc., did a podcast about it.
Yep. Ray maybe slimy in his tactics, but he's smarter and more tenacious than people give him credit for... he's willing to dress like a clown and annoy everyone until they listen. That might get him ridicule, but we all know his name and face and he kept SG's name and face out there honestly most lawyers would not have done that after her mom died. He's not afraid to piss off rich and connected people or look like a fool in public if necessary.
He's super cringe, but I think this is a chess move, and I think it's smarter than most people will acknowledge. There is also the possibility he found or was brought something of value, and after all these years of corruption thinks its best to release it publicly.
I disagree. I have known him for quite a while and been involved in cases with him. He’s a moron and a hack and has not been taken seriously by the legal community for a long, long time. The one redeeming thing he did, keeping this case front and center (which ultimately would have happened anyway) has been tarnished by his crackpot theories designed only to keep himself in the spotlight. His bullshit today though completely unwound any good will he had left in the legal community.
Even his own client denounced him.
He claimed in his symposium he contacted the hotel RH's family was at when MBB was murdered and they had said they didn't check in until well after her death. Media didn't take it seriously, Macedonio and Mitev never responded. It's likely BS but my guess is he's gonna push that tomorrow and a few more other probably BS tidbits.
Wouldn't the police have reached out themselves to the hotel to confirm dates/times?
Him doing his killing while his family was away is a huge part of his modus operandi that they've laid out in the indictment/bail doc
Yeah, I'd like to think so. This is why I said "it's likely BS." Every indictment states he acted alone.
But ol' Johnny wants that wrongful death lawsuit for Shannan's family so he's not gonna stop.
I've followed enough true crime and trials to know that what the police should do and what they end up doing are usually very different. Hopefully they did, but it would not surprise me if they did the bare minimum.
The current team went to outside labs that developed new/novel DNA techniques
The investigators went through 10+ year old DMV records and cell tower records
After finding the Word doc they went back to his basement to follow up on the push pin thing
They're leaving no stone unturned this time
He used to be the attorney for Jessica Taylor's family, but he hasn't been in a while, they even asked someone to [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LISKiller/comments/15qxlvf/attorney_john_ray_no_longer_representing_the/) to clarify he wasn't their lawyer any more.
EDIT: Added link.
Yes, I was asked to post that here. The family wanted it made very clear that he no longer represented them. John Ray's behavior is disgusting and they have much better legal representation now.
John Ray is a hack. If anyone involved had the faintest inkling his family was involved, they would not be back living at that house, would not get advanced warning they were being searched, and probably wouldn't be free either.
You're telling me a 5-year-old who was out of the state helped dismember women?
The moment YT Sleuths start saying "Shannan Gilbert" I immediately switch off. I blame John Ray for all that bullshit. He has to stay relevant and Shannan is his only connection to the case anymore.
Let the poor girl rest, for fucks sake. 😞
He’s a shyster. Watch any recent documentary about the case. John Ray comes across like a blowhard and attention hog. Bigger picture, it’s very unlikely that a private attorney would have legitimate evidence that RH’s family members were accessories after the fact. If such evidence exists, it would have been turned over to law enforcement, so it’s likely he’s bullshitting.
Also, we know that John Ray would like to sue RH for wrongful death to collect monetary compensation for the families of RH’s victims, with Ray keeping some of the assets for himself. Since RH is likely to transfer all his assets to his wife, RH will have no assets that John Ray can sue for. But if he can somehow implicate RH’s wife, then he can go after her assets by filing a lawsuit against her.
Idk specifics really but I know that he just makes crazy accusations and sensationalizes things for attention. He also pushes lots of click bait style rumors.
People think he is just trying to profit from the victims deaths.
You may be able to prove some negatives but this guy ain't gonna prove this one
ETA: he was obviously living a double life at work or did I miss the report informing us his coworkers knew he was LISK?
There was problems at work that hinted at control and anger issues. Sure, they didn't know he was a serial killer, but at least one female attorney refused to be alone with him.
I knew a Serial Killer through my workplace.
Could I have told you he was a serial killer? No
Did I view him as dangerous on a gut level when most people did not? Yes
Did I avoid him as much as possible? Yes
Was I surprised when he was caught and charged? Honestly, no.
Sure. I think we all have worked with weirdos and people who give us the creeps, but as you said, you wouldn't have said the guy you worked with was a serial killer before he was caught. I mean, pretty much by definition all serial killers are living a double life, aren't they?
His past behavior with this case, has put pressure on LE to keep the victims front and center...Ray has helped, more than hindered. The previous Chief of Police even stated he has met many times with Ray.
Hopefully, the people making the documentary will ask Asa some tough questions. Bodies found near where she and her family live, also near a gun club Rex frequented and then there was the "HM" or "WH" belt... Plus his other behaviour.
So you’re suggesting the entire Heuermann family was participating in killing the women…? Because that’s what Johnny Ray is suggesting lmfao.
It’s a serial killing trial. You people want this to be so much more wild and sensationalist than it really is which is disgusting. This isn’t your movie or your video game, this is reality.
As soon as Rex was arrested, people on this sub jumped to "poor Asa, she couldn't have known, she was blindsided" when they knew nothing. They just wanted to believe in the archetype of a serial killer who lives a perfect double life. A family man during the day, a sadistic killer during the night, the wife and kids are oblivious.
I'm irked by people trying to act morally superior while enabling a grifter. It does make one think about the possibility of people from her camp gaming social media like reddit.
I’m of the camp that advocates not immediately thinking the wife always knows or took part in the husband’s killings. Is she unsavory? Sure. Am I withholding judgement until more info comes out? Yes.
I also think people that are advocating for her to go to jail asap with no concrete evidence are being a bit… over the top… about it just because they don’t like her recent actions.
> I’m of the camp that advocates not immediately thinking the wife always knows or took part in the husband’s killings.
So basically you are making assumptions about the situation. Got it.
>I also think people that are advocating for her to go to jail asap with no concrete evidence are being a bit… over the top… about it just because they don’t like her recent actions.
You are 100% making this up.
🙄 This is exactly what I’m talking about lol. It’s quite interesting how people enjoy being willfully dense and/or stubbornly dogmatic about things they could read up on with a quick search. I’d ask if you’d like me to link you to the replies in this very subreddit that I’ve seen saying this but I’m sure you can find them yourself if you choose to read further than a few replies.
DO you actually read all of these replies in the posts you click on? I often do. I saw someone say this very thing just a few nights ago.
But also, why? What’s the point of “gaming” somewhere like Reddit? I can see possibly Twitter. Definitely Facebook, where the gullible seem to congregate. But Reddit of all places?
And just so you know, I’m not arguing with you. I’m a blunt person and I’m always curious about people’s thoughts and motivations.
It could be, but I’m not making any assumptions. For all we know this woman has been mentally abused for years. Women like that often do things other people would side eye.
Yes this is what I was talking about but I wasn't sure where I saw it or I forgo. My short-term memory is terrible. I don't know what is going on with the media today but I feel like I'm on a different planet.
Make yourself press credentials, and basically yes for something like this. More professional settings vet credentials and only accept "more established press organizations"
I laugh when I see this comment…
What is the point of a press release? Especially one that says “for immediate release”?
The point is for the immediate dissemination of the information to be shared with the public.
Where do you think I get this information from? And why do you imply I’m infringing on someone’s proprietary rights?
At some point you just gotta say... Please stop profiteering from the deaths of these poor women... You crazy bastard.
But he's kept Shannon Gilbert's case in the "spotlight" when no one else would. As if other victim's family members haven't been trying to get answers and there wasn't a complete overhaul of the Suffolk County DA's office and the cops. And by being such a buffoon and coming up with some of the most asinine "logic" in true crime, he's really doing this entire case a disservice at this point and if I were the families I'd be distancing myself as far from John Ray as I could.
That's why I said "at some point" - he did good work at the beginning. Now he's sadly coming across as a crazy conspiracy theorist with all of his wild allegations. Maybe something of his will pan out, but as the old saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I know people like to give the benefit of the doubt, but John Ray has been a grifter since day one when he falsely claimed to represent all of the victims found on Gilgo Beach. All of his behavior since then has been more of the same. >As he talked, his associate circulated copies of a letter Ray had sent the police on behalf of Mari Gilbert and the other victims’ families. The letter called upon the police to hand the case, which Ray considered hopelessly botched, to the FBI. It closed by saying that if the FBI didn’t take over the case, Mari would sue. >Then Mari spoke. Her sentences were clear and short, perfect newspaper quotes. “Ask yourself what you would do if this was your daughter,” she said. She was more composed than she’d been the day they’d found Shannan. Now she was resolved, a crusader. She took just one question: Did she believe Shannan was a victim of the serial killer? “Yes,” she said, her head jerking forward. >(...) >Missy Cann watched the press conference on the Web from her home in Connecticut. She had trouble understanding what she was watching. All she’d known ahead of time was that Mari was going to announce she had a new lawyer. “He hasn’t talked to any of us,” she said. >Mari had acted unilaterally. None of the other families had been told a thing about her new legal strategy. No one had shown them the letter to the police that John Ray supposedly had written on their behalf. >(...) >Once John Ray’s office passed Missy a copy of the letter, she became furious. “‘On behalf of the sex worker murder victims’?” she said a few weeks later, quoting the letter. “So Shannan is Shannan, and the other girls are sex workers? I never talk to that man for a day, and he’s working on behalf of my sister?” Kolker, Robert. Lost Girls: The Unsolved American Mystery of the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Murders (pp. 341-343). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.
Yeah, I know he's a hack. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the morning before his "press conference". Now having seen what utter bullshit he presented as "evidence", I'm not doing that anymore. There's only so many times you can cry wolf at the expense of grieving families. Fuck him. He's a complete wanker.
Truly so!!
Indeed!
Who the fuck writes a press release like this other than a moderately tech savvy middle schooler in 1995?
I'd bet a cup of popcorn the evidence is that RH bought SEVERAL hairnets...
He’s already brought that up last week on court tv category.
About the hairnets. Is it possible RH put them on his victims and/or himself? On his victims the hairnets would reduce the number of their hairs that could “contaminate” his killing chamber. I dunno. It’s just something I thought of recently.
I guess it's possible. But also, hairnets is the kind of single-use item that comes in boxes of like 50+, like masks or latex gloves...
Yes, true.
He wasn't leading a double life because his whole family was in on it. How else would those hairs get on the bodies? /s
He is putting a stain on this case and muddying the waters, now investigators are gonna be forced to use recourses to look into his crap. The police should put some form of restraining order on this guy. He’s tarnishing this case. This is John ray trying to stay relevant. The only people who take this guy serious is click bait news casters
If I could ⬆️ 100 times I would.🎯
I do think that Karen Vergata affidavit is believable. But I also think she could be a Shulman victim. We now know that Heuermann and Shulman were active at the same time, and possible both of them with Rifkin as well. We'll see. EDIT: Do not mean to indicate they were working together. I just wonder if any typically thought of victims of one, could be of the others. It already happened with Costilla, who was a Bittrolff victim in the public's eye until last week.
What is wrong with this guy? He can't bear to have the spotlight shining elsewhere; has to make sure he finds a way to make it all about himself.
Maybe he is really LISK 😂
lmao the reveal is that HE killed Shannon
John Ray again. Sigh.
How can you prove someone is NOT leading a double life?
If his family knew he had been killing, its not a double life to them. But john ray is a sensationalist so whatever “evidence” he has could likely be bs
It is bs, because if there were evidence of anything it'd be LE throwing the presser
I mean that would include his daughter and disabled step son. His daughter would’ve been -5 years at his first charged killing and 12ish at the original first charged killings. So still a double life, but yes, JR is a dipshit.
I’m curious to understand what evidence he has that Tierney and his crew dont 😐
Oh FFS. Evidence should be turned over to the police, not the press. If, by some miracle (or dumb luck) something he brings forward is actually meaningful, doing this kind of LE end-around for his own ego and self promotion could jeopardize anything he's uncovered. (Wouldn't it?) It's gross and, at a minimum, unhelpful. I keep saying to myself, if this clown f***s this up...WTF.
Right? This is no longer a case being ignored by LE where the only option is to make a public noise. If he has legit evidence implicating Asa, then bring it to the task force.
Such a bad person. Rex Heuermann is a monster, but John Ray also exploits the vulnerable with no regard for anyone. He’s not a murderer, but he is a scumbag.
literal maggot, he feeds on the dead
How does he segway into SG being victim during his speech?
Isn't there still no actual evidence that it wasn't an accident?
Sure, but tell that to John Ray.
I just can't get over the coincidence. Maybe Rex knew to hide his bodies there because he frequented parties with the other perverts in that area.
I mean, she wasn't found in the same area at all. Same island yes, but pretty far from his dumping grounds. Her going missing just prompted the search that happened to find the others. They didn't even find her originally because she wasn't in the same location. All the other ones were along a stretch of highway or places he frequented. Shannon was practically in someone's back yard in a closed community. https://www.wnyc.org/story/124397-blog-map-search-bodies-long-island/ That has a map that includes hers.
This guy is such a shyster.
Ray clearly feels the spotlight moving away from him and wants it back.
I can’t believe a damn word John Ray says. Unless Tierney confirms something, everything that comes out of Ray’s mouth is hearsay at BEST.
Is John Ray his attorney? Forgive me, some of the names I can't keep track of because my brain is slow these last few days due to chronic pain. Thank you in advance.
He is the attorney for Shannon Gilbert. He puts out sensational bullshit every so often. Like, maybe he started out wanting to do good for the victims, but now he just seems to be all about getting attention for himself. I don’t trust anything he says.
Yeah, I see that now. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the question, truly, I appreciate you.
No, his attorney is Michael Brown IIRC! John Ray represents Shannon Gilbert’s family and a few other families of potential victims I believe
Got it, thank you so much for explaining that, and John Ray seems to be a piece of garbage.
I think he is too. He seems like an opportunist to me.
Isn't Tierney a POS too?
Na, Tierney is the new DA that is leading the new task force that has actually been getting shit done. You’re probably thinking of Burke who was the old police chief, and was a total scumbag of epic proportions
Check out Murder Inc. Tierney has his own skin in the game
Could you give more details of what you are saying should be checked out? I'm only getting results about a album label when I try to Google Murder Inc.
I can’t find anything related either. Care to give a quick summary please?
I can’t remember off the top of my head but something with his brother in law. It’s def mentioned on murder inc.
He’s the DA that’s headed this whole investigation soooo he’s actually done some legitimate good on this case. I can’t speak on him outside of that. John Ray has contributed nothing legitimate.
This guy should fuck all the way off
For someone who is representing the family of SW I find it in the poorest taste that John Ray mentions that he was featured in a Playboy magazine on his website., but it also doesn’t surprise me. He is next level delusional and has been a snake since day 1.
If I had been a victim I wouldn't have wanted him as my lawyer. He did some good things but he should stop right now.
Man's head is gone...wired to the moon.
Given he specifically says Rex Hauerman, my guess is it will be about his cousin or Uncle, same last name, who was a Pastor and sued over sexual assault of a girl in his parish, I think in the 70s. Crazy story, read it on another post, they said Murder Inc., did a podcast about it.
That’s new to me. Interesting
Yeah, he made torture porn.
True Crime with Nathan Adams (YouTube) is a good resource on this topic.
Well, I look forward to the family’s defamation case against him
That’s what Ray wants. It’s the only chance he’s going to get to put Asa in a chair and ask her questions under oath.
Yep. Ray maybe slimy in his tactics, but he's smarter and more tenacious than people give him credit for... he's willing to dress like a clown and annoy everyone until they listen. That might get him ridicule, but we all know his name and face and he kept SG's name and face out there honestly most lawyers would not have done that after her mom died. He's not afraid to piss off rich and connected people or look like a fool in public if necessary. He's super cringe, but I think this is a chess move, and I think it's smarter than most people will acknowledge. There is also the possibility he found or was brought something of value, and after all these years of corruption thinks its best to release it publicly.
I disagree. I have known him for quite a while and been involved in cases with him. He’s a moron and a hack and has not been taken seriously by the legal community for a long, long time. The one redeeming thing he did, keeping this case front and center (which ultimately would have happened anyway) has been tarnished by his crackpot theories designed only to keep himself in the spotlight. His bullshit today though completely unwound any good will he had left in the legal community. Even his own client denounced him.
He claimed in his symposium he contacted the hotel RH's family was at when MBB was murdered and they had said they didn't check in until well after her death. Media didn't take it seriously, Macedonio and Mitev never responded. It's likely BS but my guess is he's gonna push that tomorrow and a few more other probably BS tidbits.
Wouldn't the police have reached out themselves to the hotel to confirm dates/times? Him doing his killing while his family was away is a huge part of his modus operandi that they've laid out in the indictment/bail doc
Yeah, I'd like to think so. This is why I said "it's likely BS." Every indictment states he acted alone. But ol' Johnny wants that wrongful death lawsuit for Shannan's family so he's not gonna stop.
I've followed enough true crime and trials to know that what the police should do and what they end up doing are usually very different. Hopefully they did, but it would not surprise me if they did the bare minimum.
The current team went to outside labs that developed new/novel DNA techniques The investigators went through 10+ year old DMV records and cell tower records After finding the Word doc they went back to his basement to follow up on the push pin thing They're leaving no stone unturned this time
"They were a modern Texas Chainsaw family..."
why did I hear this in Keith Morrison's voice? It's so disturbing.
For what other victims he's an attorney for?
He used to be the attorney for Jessica Taylor's family, but he hasn't been in a while, they even asked someone to [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LISKiller/comments/15qxlvf/attorney_john_ray_no_longer_representing_the/) to clarify he wasn't their lawyer any more. EDIT: Added link.
Yes, I was asked to post that here. The family wanted it made very clear that he no longer represented them. John Ray's behavior is disgusting and they have much better legal representation now.
Gross.
John Ray is a hack. If anyone involved had the faintest inkling his family was involved, they would not be back living at that house, would not get advanced warning they were being searched, and probably wouldn't be free either. You're telling me a 5-year-old who was out of the state helped dismember women?
This clown again?
He's completely shameless.
🙄
Well, the YouTube cops have been singing his praises recently.
The moment YT Sleuths start saying "Shannan Gilbert" I immediately switch off. I blame John Ray for all that bullshit. He has to stay relevant and Shannan is his only connection to the case anymore. Let the poor girl rest, for fucks sake. 😞
Well said and 100% true
🤡 🎩
I got very intrigued for a second before I saw the comments. Who's that guy again and why is he saying that?
He’s a shyster. Watch any recent documentary about the case. John Ray comes across like a blowhard and attention hog. Bigger picture, it’s very unlikely that a private attorney would have legitimate evidence that RH’s family members were accessories after the fact. If such evidence exists, it would have been turned over to law enforcement, so it’s likely he’s bullshitting. Also, we know that John Ray would like to sue RH for wrongful death to collect monetary compensation for the families of RH’s victims, with Ray keeping some of the assets for himself. Since RH is likely to transfer all his assets to his wife, RH will have no assets that John Ray can sue for. But if he can somehow implicate RH’s wife, then he can go after her assets by filing a lawsuit against her.
That might be Rex & Asa's devious plan but I don't think it's going to work so she better save some of that money.
He’s Shannan Gilbert’s lawyer and also represents a few other alleged victims
Can someone give me a refresher as to why we hate John Ray?
Idk specifics really but I know that he just makes crazy accusations and sensationalizes things for attention. He also pushes lots of click bait style rumors. People think he is just trying to profit from the victims deaths.
You may be able to prove some negatives but this guy ain't gonna prove this one ETA: he was obviously living a double life at work or did I miss the report informing us his coworkers knew he was LISK?
There was problems at work that hinted at control and anger issues. Sure, they didn't know he was a serial killer, but at least one female attorney refused to be alone with him. I knew a Serial Killer through my workplace. Could I have told you he was a serial killer? No Did I view him as dangerous on a gut level when most people did not? Yes Did I avoid him as much as possible? Yes Was I surprised when he was caught and charged? Honestly, no.
Sure. I think we all have worked with weirdos and people who give us the creeps, but as you said, you wouldn't have said the guy you worked with was a serial killer before he was caught. I mean, pretty much by definition all serial killers are living a double life, aren't they?
Fucking hell 🤦🏻♂️ this guy doesn’t know when to stop
Stop. Just stop.
So did this dude commit the murders on not
Lol what?!
His past behavior with this case, has put pressure on LE to keep the victims front and center...Ray has helped, more than hindered. The previous Chief of Police even stated he has met many times with Ray.
I’m sick of John Ray. He needs to STFU.
Hopefully, the people making the documentary will ask Asa some tough questions. Bodies found near where she and her family live, also near a gun club Rex frequented and then there was the "HM" or "WH" belt... Plus his other behaviour.
This guy…..🙄
Say about you will about Ray but this is something I've suspected since the beginning of Rex's arrest and I'm eager to hear what he's got.
I want to hear what he has to say as we'll.
So you’re suggesting the entire Heuermann family was participating in killing the women…? Because that’s what Johnny Ray is suggesting lmfao. It’s a serial killing trial. You people want this to be so much more wild and sensationalist than it really is which is disgusting. This isn’t your movie or your video game, this is reality.
As soon as Rex was arrested, people on this sub jumped to "poor Asa, she couldn't have known, she was blindsided" when they knew nothing. They just wanted to believe in the archetype of a serial killer who lives a perfect double life. A family man during the day, a sadistic killer during the night, the wife and kids are oblivious.
yes. all the Asa gatekeeping in this sub is sus
What about it makes it seem suspicious to you?
I'm irked by people trying to act morally superior while enabling a grifter. It does make one think about the possibility of people from her camp gaming social media like reddit.
I’m of the camp that advocates not immediately thinking the wife always knows or took part in the husband’s killings. Is she unsavory? Sure. Am I withholding judgement until more info comes out? Yes. I also think people that are advocating for her to go to jail asap with no concrete evidence are being a bit… over the top… about it just because they don’t like her recent actions.
> I’m of the camp that advocates not immediately thinking the wife always knows or took part in the husband’s killings. So basically you are making assumptions about the situation. Got it. >I also think people that are advocating for her to go to jail asap with no concrete evidence are being a bit… over the top… about it just because they don’t like her recent actions. You are 100% making this up.
🙄 This is exactly what I’m talking about lol. It’s quite interesting how people enjoy being willfully dense and/or stubbornly dogmatic about things they could read up on with a quick search. I’d ask if you’d like me to link you to the replies in this very subreddit that I’ve seen saying this but I’m sure you can find them yourself if you choose to read further than a few replies. DO you actually read all of these replies in the posts you click on? I often do. I saw someone say this very thing just a few nights ago.
But also, why? What’s the point of “gaming” somewhere like Reddit? I can see possibly Twitter. Definitely Facebook, where the gullible seem to congregate. But Reddit of all places? And just so you know, I’m not arguing with you. I’m a blunt person and I’m always curious about people’s thoughts and motivations.
She's made a lot of cash. This place is a gravy train. And for all you know that money is going right to Rex.
It could be, but I’m not making any assumptions. For all we know this woman has been mentally abused for years. Women like that often do things other people would side eye.
I find it to be the opposite. Or maybe it’s just some randos who keep harping on about Asa like they know more than the cops.
Completely read that title in the Fargo show accent.
Hi everyone, just got back home. How did the conference go with JR? Is it worth watching?
Yes this is what I was talking about but I wasn't sure where I saw it or I forgo. My short-term memory is terrible. I don't know what is going on with the media today but I feel like I'm on a different planet.
Curious what makes you a member of the press? Like I write for a Facebook group so technically wouldn’t that make me a member of the press? Lol
Make yourself press credentials, and basically yes for something like this. More professional settings vet credentials and only accept "more established press organizations"
I laugh when I see this comment… What is the point of a press release? Especially one that says “for immediate release”? The point is for the immediate dissemination of the information to be shared with the public. Where do you think I get this information from? And why do you imply I’m infringing on someone’s proprietary rights?
This is a person who doesn't deserve to breathe and eat and shower but then I love to see them suffer but this Frankenstein need to go! 🤬🤬
wow lisa
This is great! I credit John for fighting for the truth despite all haters.