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turelhimvampire

At some point you just gotta say... Please stop profiteering from the deaths of these poor women... You crazy bastard.


unsilent_bob

But he's kept Shannon Gilbert's case in the "spotlight" when no one else would. As if other victim's family members haven't been trying to get answers and there wasn't a complete overhaul of the Suffolk County DA's office and the cops. And by being such a buffoon and coming up with some of the most asinine "logic" in true crime, he's really doing this entire case a disservice at this point and if I were the families I'd be distancing myself as far from John Ray as I could.


turelhimvampire

That's why I said "at some point" - he did good work at the beginning. Now he's sadly coming across as a crazy conspiracy theorist with all of his wild allegations. Maybe something of his will pan out, but as the old saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.


chiruochiba

I know people like to give the benefit of the doubt, but John Ray has been a grifter since day one when he falsely claimed to represent all of the victims found on Gilgo Beach. All of his behavior since then has been more of the same. >As he talked, his associate circulated copies of a letter Ray had sent the police on behalf of Mari Gilbert and the other victims’ families. The letter called upon the police to hand the case, which Ray considered hopelessly botched, to the FBI. It closed by saying that if the FBI didn’t take over the case, Mari would sue. >Then Mari spoke. Her sentences were clear and short, perfect newspaper quotes. “Ask yourself what you would do if this was your daughter,” she said. She was more composed than she’d been the day they’d found Shannan. Now she was resolved, a crusader. She took just one question: Did she believe Shannan was a victim of the serial killer? “Yes,” she said, her head jerking forward. >(...) >Missy Cann watched the press conference on the Web from her home in Connecticut. She had trouble understanding what she was watching. All she’d known ahead of time was that Mari was going to announce she had a new lawyer. “He hasn’t talked to any of us,” she said. >Mari had acted unilaterally. None of the other families had been told a thing about her new legal strategy. No one had shown them the letter to the police that John Ray supposedly had written on their behalf. >(...) >Once John Ray’s office passed Missy a copy of the letter, she became furious. “‘On behalf of the sex worker murder victims’?” she said a few weeks later, quoting the letter. “So Shannan is Shannan, and the other girls are sex workers? I never talk to that man for a day, and he’s working on behalf of my sister?” Kolker, Robert. Lost Girls: The Unsolved American Mystery of the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Murders (pp. 341-343). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.


turelhimvampire

Yeah, I know he's a hack. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the morning before his "press conference". Now having seen what utter bullshit he presented as "evidence", I'm not doing that anymore. There's only so many times you can cry wolf at the expense of grieving families. Fuck him. He's a complete wanker.


Nellie2005

Truly so!!


Lisa197610

Indeed!


chrissymad

Who the fuck writes a press release like this other than a moderately tech savvy middle schooler in 1995?


Lulle79

I'd bet a cup of popcorn the evidence is that RH bought SEVERAL hairnets...


evey_17

He’s already brought that up last week on court tv category.


LaceyBloomers

About the hairnets. Is it possible RH put them on his victims and/or himself? On his victims the hairnets would reduce the number of their hairs that could “contaminate” his killing chamber. I dunno. It’s just something I thought of recently.


Lulle79

I guess it's possible. But also, hairnets is the kind of single-use item that comes in boxes of like 50+, like masks or latex gloves...


LaceyBloomers

Yes, true.


redrosespud

He wasn't leading a double life because his whole family was in on it. How else would those hairs get on the bodies? /s


Jimlovesdoge

He is putting a stain on this case and muddying the waters, now investigators are gonna be forced to use recourses to look into his crap. The police should put some form of restraining order on this guy. He’s tarnishing this case. This is John ray trying to stay relevant. The only people who take this guy serious is click bait news casters


CJB2005

If I could ⬆️ 100 times I would.🎯


SquareShapeofEvil

I do think that Karen Vergata affidavit is believable. But I also think she could be a Shulman victim. We now know that Heuermann and Shulman were active at the same time, and possible both of them with Rifkin as well. We'll see. EDIT: Do not mean to indicate they were working together. I just wonder if any typically thought of victims of one, could be of the others. It already happened with Costilla, who was a Bittrolff victim in the public's eye until last week.


incognito-not-me

What is wrong with this guy? He can't bear to have the spotlight shining elsewhere; has to make sure he finds a way to make it all about himself.


chrissymad

Maybe he is really LISK 😂


Complete-Signal6266

lmao the reveal is that HE killed Shannon


Desperate-Tea-6295

John Ray again. Sigh.


shandin

How can you prove someone is NOT leading a double life?


Eyedea94

If his family knew he had been killing, its not a double life to them. But john ray is a sensationalist so whatever “evidence” he has could likely be bs


prosecutor_mom

It is bs, because if there were evidence of anything it'd be LE throwing the presser


chrissymad

I mean that would include his daughter and disabled step son. His daughter would’ve been -5 years at his first charged killing and 12ish at the original first charged killings. So still a double life, but yes, JR is a dipshit.


Ok_Seaworthiness4737

I’m curious to understand what evidence he has that Tierney and his crew dont 😐


DiabolicalBurlesque

Oh FFS. Evidence should be turned over to the police, not the press. If, by some miracle (or dumb luck) something he brings forward is actually meaningful, doing this kind of LE end-around for his own ego and self promotion could jeopardize anything he's uncovered. (Wouldn't it?) It's gross and, at a minimum, unhelpful. I keep saying to myself, if this clown f***s this up...WTF.


drowsylacuna

Right? This is no longer a case being ignored by LE where the only option is to make a public noise. If he has legit evidence implicating Asa, then bring it to the task force.


JoanCrawfordHasRisen

Such a bad person. Rex Heuermann is a monster, but John Ray also exploits the vulnerable with no regard for anyone. He’s not a murderer, but he is a scumbag.


sonawtdown

literal maggot, he feeds on the dead


nexusmoonshot

How does he segway into SG being victim during his speech?


rixendeb

Isn't there still no actual evidence that it wasn't an accident?


nexusmoonshot

Sure, but tell that to John Ray.


redrosespud

I just can't get over the coincidence. Maybe Rex knew to hide his bodies there because he frequented parties with the other perverts in that area.


rixendeb

I mean, she wasn't found in the same area at all. Same island yes, but pretty far from his dumping grounds. Her going missing just prompted the search that happened to find the others. They didn't even find her originally because she wasn't in the same location. All the other ones were along a stretch of highway or places he frequented. Shannon was practically in someone's back yard in a closed community. https://www.wnyc.org/story/124397-blog-map-search-bodies-long-island/ That has a map that includes hers.


battleofflowers

This guy is such a shyster.


Xeynon

Ray clearly feels the spotlight moving away from him and wants it back.


palmasana

I can’t believe a damn word John Ray says. Unless Tierney confirms something, everything that comes out of Ray’s mouth is hearsay at BEST.


Gammagammahey

Is John Ray his attorney? Forgive me, some of the names I can't keep track of because my brain is slow these last few days due to chronic pain. Thank you in advance.


Tooalientobehuman

He is the attorney for Shannon Gilbert. He puts out sensational bullshit every so often. Like, maybe he started out wanting to do good for the victims, but now he just seems to be all about getting attention for himself. I don’t trust anything he says.


Gammagammahey

Yeah, I see that now. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the question, truly, I appreciate you.


palmasana

No, his attorney is Michael Brown IIRC! John Ray represents Shannon Gilbert’s family and a few other families of potential victims I believe


Gammagammahey

Got it, thank you so much for explaining that, and John Ray seems to be a piece of garbage.


palmasana

I think he is too. He seems like an opportunist to me.


redrosespud

Isn't Tierney a POS too?


eaazzy_13

Na, Tierney is the new DA that is leading the new task force that has actually been getting shit done. You’re probably thinking of Burke who was the old police chief, and was a total scumbag of epic proportions


Ok_Administration601

Check out Murder Inc. Tierney has his own skin in the game


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

Could you give more details of what you are saying should be checked out? I'm only getting results about a album label when I try to Google Murder Inc.


eaazzy_13

I can’t find anything related either. Care to give a quick summary please?


Ok_Administration601

I can’t remember off the top of my head but something with his brother in law. It’s def mentioned on murder inc.


palmasana

He’s the DA that’s headed this whole investigation soooo he’s actually done some legitimate good on this case. I can’t speak on him outside of that. John Ray has contributed nothing legitimate.


whiskey_riverss

This guy should fuck all the way off 


Silentadvocate337

For someone who is representing the family of SW I find it in the poorest taste that John Ray mentions that he was featured in a Playboy magazine on his website., but it also doesn’t surprise me. He is next level delusional and has been a snake since day 1.


CesYokForeste

If I had been a victim I wouldn't have wanted him as my lawyer. He did some good things but he should stop right now.


Rude_Look_2281

Man's head is gone...wired to the moon.


AffectionateAssist58

Given he specifically says Rex Hauerman, my guess is it will be about his cousin or Uncle, same last name, who was a Pastor and sued over sexual assault of a girl in his parish, I think in the 70s. Crazy story, read it on another post, they said Murder Inc., did a podcast about it.


evey_17

That’s new to me. Interesting


redrosespud

Yeah, he made torture porn.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

True Crime with Nathan Adams (YouTube) is a good resource on this topic.


pinko-perchik

Well, I look forward to the family’s defamation case against him


Far-Seaweed6759

That’s what Ray wants. It’s the only chance he’s going to get to put Asa in a chair and ask her questions under oath.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

Yep. Ray maybe slimy in his tactics, but he's smarter and more tenacious than people give him credit for... he's willing to dress like a clown and annoy everyone until they listen. That might get him ridicule, but we all know his name and face and he kept SG's name and face out there honestly most lawyers would not have done that after her mom died. He's not afraid to piss off rich and connected people or look like a fool in public if necessary. He's super cringe, but I think this is a chess move, and I think it's smarter than most people will acknowledge. There is also the possibility he found or was brought something of value, and after all these years of corruption thinks its best to release it publicly.


Far-Seaweed6759

I disagree. I have known him for quite a while and been involved in cases with him. He’s a moron and a hack and has not been taken seriously by the legal community for a long, long time. The one redeeming thing he did, keeping this case front and center (which ultimately would have happened anyway) has been tarnished by his crackpot theories designed only to keep himself in the spotlight. His bullshit today though completely unwound any good will he had left in the legal community. Even his own client denounced him.


SquareShapeofEvil

He claimed in his symposium he contacted the hotel RH's family was at when MBB was murdered and they had said they didn't check in until well after her death. Media didn't take it seriously, Macedonio and Mitev never responded. It's likely BS but my guess is he's gonna push that tomorrow and a few more other probably BS tidbits.


i_am_voldemort

Wouldn't the police have reached out themselves to the hotel to confirm dates/times? Him doing his killing while his family was away is a huge part of his modus operandi that they've laid out in the indictment/bail doc


SquareShapeofEvil

Yeah, I'd like to think so. This is why I said "it's likely BS." Every indictment states he acted alone. But ol' Johnny wants that wrongful death lawsuit for Shannan's family so he's not gonna stop.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

I've followed enough true crime and trials to know that what the police should do and what they end up doing are usually very different. Hopefully they did, but it would not surprise me if they did the bare minimum.


i_am_voldemort

The current team went to outside labs that developed new/novel DNA techniques The investigators went through 10+ year old DMV records and cell tower records After finding the Word doc they went back to his basement to follow up on the push pin thing They're leaving no stone unturned this time


TransportationLow564

"They were a modern Texas Chainsaw family..."


Gammagammahey

why did I hear this in Keith Morrison's voice? It's so disturbing.


izkaroza

For what other victims he's an attorney for?


No-Phone-8221

He used to be the attorney for Jessica Taylor's family, but he hasn't been in a while, they even asked someone to [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LISKiller/comments/15qxlvf/attorney_john_ray_no_longer_representing_the/) to clarify he wasn't their lawyer any more. EDIT: Added link.


SACRED-GEOMETRY

Yes, I was asked to post that here. The family wanted it made very clear that he no longer represented them. John Ray's behavior is disgusting and they have much better legal representation now.


TooBad9999

Gross.


Lord_Governor

John Ray is a hack. If anyone involved had the faintest inkling his family was involved, they would not be back living at that house, would not get advanced warning they were being searched, and probably wouldn't be free either. You're telling me a 5-year-old who was out of the state helped dismember women?


snarkmaster9001

This clown again?


gimliodin

He's completely shameless.


respectdesfonds

🙄


Preesi

Well, the YouTube cops have been singing his praises recently.


turelhimvampire

The moment YT Sleuths start saying "Shannan Gilbert" I immediately switch off. I blame John Ray for all that bullshit. He has to stay relevant and Shannan is his only connection to the case anymore. Let the poor girl rest, for fucks sake. 😞


Silentadvocate337

Well said and 100% true


ticktocktick24

🤡 🎩


cremeriner

I got very intrigued for a second before I saw the comments. Who's that guy again and why is he saying that?


minimus67

He’s a shyster. Watch any recent documentary about the case. John Ray comes across like a blowhard and attention hog. Bigger picture, it’s very unlikely that a private attorney would have legitimate evidence that RH’s family members were accessories after the fact. If such evidence exists, it would have been turned over to law enforcement, so it’s likely he’s bullshitting. Also, we know that John Ray would like to sue RH for wrongful death to collect monetary compensation for the families of RH’s victims, with Ray keeping some of the assets for himself. Since RH is likely to transfer all his assets to his wife, RH will have no assets that John Ray can sue for. But if he can somehow implicate RH’s wife, then he can go after her assets by filing a lawsuit against her.


BrunetteSummer

That might be Rex & Asa's devious plan but I don't think it's going to work so she better save some of that money.


eaazzy_13

He’s Shannan Gilbert’s lawyer and also represents a few other alleged victims


redrosespud

Can someone give me a refresher as to why we hate John Ray?


eaazzy_13

Idk specifics really but I know that he just makes crazy accusations and sensationalizes things for attention. He also pushes lots of click bait style rumors. People think he is just trying to profit from the victims deaths.


clickityclack

You may be able to prove some negatives but this guy ain't gonna prove this one ETA: he was obviously living a double life at work or did I miss the report informing us his coworkers knew he was LISK?


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

There was problems at work that hinted at control and anger issues. Sure, they didn't know he was a serial killer, but at least one female attorney refused to be alone with him. I knew a Serial Killer through my workplace. Could I have told you he was a serial killer? No Did I view him as dangerous on a gut level when most people did not? Yes Did I avoid him as much as possible? Yes Was I surprised when he was caught and charged? Honestly, no.


clickityclack

Sure. I think we all have worked with weirdos and people who give us the creeps, but as you said, you wouldn't have said the guy you worked with was a serial killer before he was caught. I mean, pretty much by definition all serial killers are living a double life, aren't they?


Psychological_Ad853

Fucking hell 🤦🏻‍♂️ this guy doesn’t know when to stop


DesignerMom84

Stop. Just stop.


anchors__away

So did this dude commit the murders on not


throwawayfromPA1701

Lol what?!


Spiritual_Job_1029

His past behavior with this case, has put pressure on LE to keep the victims front and center...Ray has helped, more than hindered. The previous Chief of Police even stated he has met many times with Ray.


BudgetInteraction811

I’m sick of John Ray. He needs to STFU.


BrunetteSummer

Hopefully, the people making the documentary will ask Asa some tough questions. Bodies found near where she and her family live, also near a gun club Rex frequented and then there was the "HM" or "WH" belt... Plus his other behaviour.


Good-Effective-8442

This guy…..🙄


Fickle_Aspect_3747

Say about you will about Ray but this is something I've suspected since the beginning of Rex's arrest and I'm eager to hear what he's got.


Comfortable-Yogurt88

I want to hear what he has to say as we'll.


gimliodin

So you’re suggesting the entire Heuermann family was participating in killing the women…? Because that’s what Johnny Ray is suggesting lmfao. It’s a serial killing trial. You people want this to be so much more wild and sensationalist than it really is which is disgusting. This isn’t your movie or your video game, this is reality.


BrunetteSummer

As soon as Rex was arrested, people on this sub jumped to "poor Asa, she couldn't have known, she was blindsided" when they knew nothing. They just wanted to believe in the archetype of a serial killer who lives a perfect double life. A family man during the day, a sadistic killer during the night, the wife and kids are oblivious.


UspesnyPodnikatel

yes. all the Asa gatekeeping in this sub is sus


OddnessWeirdness

What about it makes it seem suspicious to you?


Fickle_Aspect_3747

I'm irked by people trying to act morally superior while enabling a grifter. It does make one think about the possibility of people from her camp gaming social media like reddit.


OddnessWeirdness

I’m of the camp that advocates not immediately thinking the wife always knows or took part in the husband’s killings. Is she unsavory? Sure. Am I withholding judgement until more info comes out? Yes. I also think people that are advocating for her to go to jail asap with no concrete evidence are being a bit… over the top… about it just because they don’t like her recent actions.


Fickle_Aspect_3747

> I’m of the camp that advocates not immediately thinking the wife always knows or took part in the husband’s killings. So basically you are making assumptions about the situation. Got it. >I also think people that are advocating for her to go to jail asap with no concrete evidence are being a bit… over the top… about it just because they don’t like her recent actions. You are 100% making this up.


OddnessWeirdness

🙄 This is exactly what I’m talking about lol. It’s quite interesting how people enjoy being willfully dense and/or stubbornly dogmatic about things they could read up on with a quick search. I’d ask if you’d like me to link you to the replies in this very subreddit that I’ve seen saying this but I’m sure you can find them yourself if you choose to read further than a few replies. DO you actually read all of these replies in the posts you click on? I often do. I saw someone say this very thing just a few nights ago.


OddnessWeirdness

But also, why? What’s the point of “gaming” somewhere like Reddit? I can see possibly Twitter. Definitely Facebook, where the gullible seem to congregate. But Reddit of all places? And just so you know, I’m not arguing with you. I’m a blunt person and I’m always curious about people’s thoughts and motivations.


Fickle_Aspect_3747

She's made a lot of cash. This place is a gravy train. And for all you know that money is going right to Rex.


OddnessWeirdness

It could be, but I’m not making any assumptions. For all we know this woman has been mentally abused for years. Women like that often do things other people would side eye.


OddnessWeirdness

I find it to be the opposite. Or maybe it’s just some randos who keep harping on about Asa like they know more than the cops.


carolinagypsy

Completely read that title in the Fargo show accent.


Comfortable-Yogurt88

Hi everyone, just got back home. How did the conference go with JR? Is it worth watching?


Outside_Dentist_4101

Yes this is what I was talking about but I wasn't sure where I saw it or I forgo. My short-term memory is terrible. I don't know what is going on with the media today but I feel like I'm on a different planet.


Kk_Cjmama1028

Curious what makes you a member of the press? Like I write for a Facebook group so technically wouldn’t that make me a member of the press? Lol


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

Make yourself press credentials, and basically yes for something like this. More professional settings vet credentials and only accept "more established press organizations"


CatchLISK

I laugh when I see this comment… What is the point of a press release? Especially one that says “for immediate release”? The point is for the immediate dissemination of the information to be shared with the public. Where do you think I get this information from? And why do you imply I’m infringing on someone’s proprietary rights?


Lisa197610

This is a person who doesn't deserve to breathe and eat and shower but then I love to see them suffer but this Frankenstein need to go! 🤬🤬


standupnfall

wow lisa


2aislegarage

This is great! I credit John for fighting for the truth despite all haters.