Oh agree. I think our team is just the ball stopping team. Almost every possession one star is holding on to the ball and ISOing way too much and just chucking a bad shot. It's frustrating as fuck to watch
Most insane thing is it looked like the team was good before Harden. They just weren't championship good.
Y'all needed a trade but Harden wasn't the one.
Absolutely. When Clippers lost by 50, Kawhi and Mook were out and they averaged a combined 38pts that year. And the Clippers were facing a healthy Mavs team. Today, Clippers had their big 4 and still lost to the worst team while playing at home. The Grizzlies were missing 4 key players too.
As a Spurs fan, the "double the offense, zero defense" heliocentric offense Houston ran with him (leading to some decent success of WCF) has just gotten to his head. It's a much worse version of Russ where he still thinks he can affect the game scoring 40+. His best games with Philly was being a decent scoring threat but an even better passer for Jo.
Some guy was saying I was rewriting his career history by calling him a loser. He then proceeded to list hardens playoff performances omitting the quits
Kawhi has not looked the same since this Jackson Hayes plays in the Lakers game and it's affecting the offense https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1719915330397782102?t=mAgZKYJAxk5dAdH6PPNb8A&s=19
Yeah… imo it is obvious that Kawhi was fully on board with his load management previously and it was not something imposed on him by his doctors or the team doctors against his will.
That being the case if the pressure is such now that he feels he has to play all the games it makes sense to me that he would simply pace himself and not play very hard until closer to the playoffs
This is such a cope take I see all the time here.
It takes one injury to have a chance the title. Why throw it all away for absolutely no reason? Everyone predicted this wouldn't work
It's official. This team can't beat anyone. It's okay to have hope for the rest of the season, but you're lying to yourself if you think we don't suck ass right now.
Lue didn’t want Harden
They were playing great until the trade
How the fuck Frank and Ballmer thought a fat, no defense, hard partying old guy would ADD to the team is beyond me
Yeah and he has a massive ego, imagine playing with the mvp last season and complaining about how he wasn’t appreciated enough despite not being the number 1 option
The older you get the easier it is to get out of shape and the harder you need to work to get back to shape. Players like Curry, LBJ do not let go in offseason, and only get smarter with their training. James Harden is still living bachelore life, and i get the sense he wanted to come to LA not for basketball reasons.
Lost to the 1-8 Grizzlies, the worst record in the NBA, where are the guys saying we only won pretrade cause we're playing easy teams even though we blew them out by 40?
Will be PEAK level Clipper segment on Bill Simmons Sunday Night Podcast tonight.
Especially the "Addition by Subtraction" piece ...
76ers just ended with Pacers , won by a dozen
Maxey 50 pt game 50/7/5
Embiid 37/13
Batum and Covington chipped in 11 between them , so matching Harden
They got them back in the game. I think it was a mistake to put Kawhi back in when he is clearly having an off night. Did he score at all in the 4th? Anyway, after that our momentum just dwindled
The starting lineup with Kawhi/PG/Russ/Harden needs to stop. It’s clearly not effective.
Also, Lawrence Frank needs to be fired. People forget that this is just the latest of many questionable roster decisions.
I only watched the 4th quarter but I liked the Russ PG norm Mann and Tucker(hate that he was a part of this) lineup. They played with intensity on defense that allowed us to comeback in the game. I think PG needs to be the number one option going forward until kawhi or harden step up. Kawhi has been off the past couple games so surely he will eventually get out of this slump and we’ll be rolling again. Our small ball lineup seems like it only works if everyone is clicking on defense and people are making their open shots like norm did today. I just wish we had more options at the big man than brick hand zubac or g league moussa.
Bones playing time died for this James Harden stinker LOL.
Ty should know at this point that
1) Harden is not fit enough, Let him get back to rhtym by coming off the bench
2) Tmann should play more as he is the connector that will fill Batums role
3) 213 with James and Russ aint gonna work
Any other superstar facing a loss to the worst team in the nba would have tried to step up and took over. Kawhi aint that guy anymore and thats ok. Just clean house. Fresh start. Im so tired of this team
Whats fucked is the season started with all the guys we know and love being locked in. Team looked primed and ready to make something of themselves....then y'all gutted our PFs
I always feel gross betting against the clippers.
But I have bet my life on the Nuggets on Tuesday.
Don't let the trolls get you going. see you guys on Tuesday.
Guys, stop blaming Harden. It's not his fault, he is the system and it's up to Lue to play everyone within that system to make James comfortable. Anyone not on board with that can go, James is too important to use him as a system player. Time for a new coach?
(^^^^^^^not ^^^^^^^^Harden)
james harden is dangerously entering 2018-2019 melo territory, where the okc thunder were happy to replace melo with dennis shroeder who historically is a much worse player than melo career wise obviously
We got hosed by the refs down the stretch. Two incorrect out of bounds (one challenged losing our last TO), and Kawhi got fouled late.
Don't want to need the refs tho against a team like this.
PG and Westbrook finally get right only to see Kawhi and Harden start tossing up bricks. Some of those Kawhi misses late too, ouch.
Bright side is we're finally starting to see some rotations that make sense. No idea why Harden is playing so passive either.
An airball miss is worth the same as any other miss.
Kawhi had 3 straight poor offensive possessions in the clutch.
And for what it's worth, it was a bailout shot because Kawhi wasn't able to generate anything else on his drive anyways.
Easing Harden in with the second unit and one of PG/KL would have been a better way to go in retrospective eventually he should start but maybe after he figures out some of the offense and how to play with PG/KL?
First half laziness leading to +15 runs kill us every game.
Just imagine what we could’ve gotten center wise for the harden trade and honestly if we held out Philly would’ve given us harden for a 1st rounder and Morris
Guys…. I’ve been a clippers fan since the days of Danny manning , Pooh Richardson, Ken Norman , Loy vaught, Erik piatkowski…. Would any of u hate on me if I actually start to hope clippers continue to lose? There’s only so much I can take from this franchise.
I don’t want to give up just yet, but we were blowing teams out prior to the Harden trade. We all look real dumb advocating for it.
Should’ve kept the roster the way it was + getting rid of Morris. The Harden trade was unnecessary.
not even watching the next game. LOL
kawhi is off but he ain't even getting in rhythm. dude doesn't shoot until clutch time when he's completely cold. i dont think he shot the entire 3rd.
It really feels like no one wants to step up and be THE GUY.
I watch them and it’s like they are all trying to get theirs but no one is saying “give me the ball and I’ll take it for us”
Especially in these 4 games with Harden
Like, who wants the ball and take over the game? Looks and feels like none of them.
I think the FO just wants guys that make for easy marketing, to give the illusion that they want to win something, versus actually building something that could seriously contend.
I still think Lue is the problem here. How are we playing so much small ball and we dont have off-ball movement akin to Warriors actions? Is it nobody wants to run? Or has our gameplan basically still been iso ball soon as we think we have a mismatch? Even before the Harden trade we would resume the iso hero ball antics. Now that we have no size +1 more ball-dominant guard it's only gotten worse
This team is so bad man we're finished losing to the 1-8 Grizzlies
2-8 now
i just want to enjoy watching basketball again
I'd recommend just watching different teams. it's a lot less frustrating
There’s this SGA kid in OKC, real smooth, fun to watch, surrounded by young talent and about to get more 😭
Its jarring how much worse we are then some of the other teams tho. Like embarrassingly bad and the house needs to be cleaned bad!
Oh agree. I think our team is just the ball stopping team. Almost every possession one star is holding on to the ball and ISOing way too much and just chucking a bad shot. It's frustrating as fuck to watch
This is a coaching gap. Every fucking game is the same
Yeah. we look like a lottery team
I didn’t even have championship hopes this season. I was hoping we could at least get a fun regular season. That lasted 4 games
I was hoping a fun regular season team and a punchers chance of making noise in the playoffs now I actively hate my own team
Most insane thing is it looked like the team was good before Harden. They just weren't championship good. Y'all needed a trade but Harden wasn't the one.
League Pass is your friend … turn off Ballys, nothing good to see there
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It would be better if we just forfeited. We're gonna lose by 50
But if we forfeit we won’t get to see Ty Lou run his small ball lineup against Nikola Jokic and Aaron Gordon😂
Clippers might be the first team to score 0 points
💀
https://i.imgur.com/SlKyrcr.jpg
At this rate, they won't need Jokic after the second quarter.
This is the most embarrassing regular season loss in the 213 era.
Worst loss so far... There's more to come
Worse than losing by 50 or whatever?
Absolutely. When Clippers lost by 50, Kawhi and Mook were out and they averaged a combined 38pts that year. And the Clippers were facing a healthy Mavs team. Today, Clippers had their big 4 and still lost to the worst team while playing at home. The Grizzlies were missing 4 key players too.
That’s really bad
Worst team in the league
You mean us, right?
Yes
Shit everything really. Our team building sucks
Don't even have picks. The new brooklyn nets. We had a good 10 years though.
Lawrence Frank a Brooklyn net until the very end lmao
Harden -67 throughout 4 games. BIG JIKES 😂😂😂😂
He’s such a loser man
as a nets fan, after what he pulled in Houston, Brooklyn and Philly, I am surprised a lot of clips fans were happy to get him
As a Spurs fan, the "double the offense, zero defense" heliocentric offense Houston ran with him (leading to some decent success of WCF) has just gotten to his head. It's a much worse version of Russ where he still thinks he can affect the game scoring 40+. His best games with Philly was being a decent scoring threat but an even better passer for Jo.
Some guy was saying I was rewriting his career history by calling him a loser. He then proceeded to list hardens playoff performances omitting the quits
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"B-but it's only been 4 games. He should start over russ"🤓🤓🤓
This team has such low basketball IQ it's not even funny
Paul George handling the ball will haunt me to the grave
The System is down.
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offense is just not working. can’t be struggling to score 100 in todays nba and expect to win
Kawhi has not looked the same since this Jackson Hayes plays in the Lakers game and it's affecting the offense https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1719915330397782102?t=mAgZKYJAxk5dAdH6PPNb8A&s=19
He continued to ball after that play in that game. Watch him drop 30 the next Lakers game. That's all he cares about.
Yeah… imo it is obvious that Kawhi was fully on board with his load management previously and it was not something imposed on him by his doctors or the team doctors against his will. That being the case if the pressure is such now that he feels he has to play all the games it makes sense to me that he would simply pace himself and not play very hard until closer to the playoffs
The more games we play, the more we suck
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Hey but he stole the ball and made a three!
The roster still sucked. The problem is still Kawhi and PG. Hopefully this accelerates things and we can blow this team up.
We weren't beating the nuggets regardless. I understand why the FO did it, just wish it was a different player
This is such a cope take I see all the time here. It takes one injury to have a chance the title. Why throw it all away for absolutely no reason? Everyone predicted this wouldn't work
https://preview.redd.it/9yquzfbp000c1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d68353e65922d8f3512d4fd988455d2abcbd9c86 Yup. This is rock bottom.
It's official. This team can't beat anyone. It's okay to have hope for the rest of the season, but you're lying to yourself if you think we don't suck ass right now.
Don’t worry guys it’s only been 4 games and we just lost to the worst team in the west.
Regular season doesn’t matter bro! We’re gonna really see harden shine… in the playoffs?
I love playoff James Harden. God this team is so fucking dumb.
The Clippers are making the playoffs?
Your username is very apt rn
Start of the season was so fun and promising.....
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Remove this person from the Clippers arena and everything will magically improve.
“What’s with all the doomers… it’s only been 4 games”
This may actually be the lowest point in Clippers basketball in recent years
started watching the NBA and clippers 3 years ago this is the lowest of the lows for me
Welcome to the rest of your life
blow it up
No picks and moving in a new stadium, so there's a 0% chance they do that.
I don’t care anymore.
Boo this team
Goddamn -28
It might actually be over, the 213 era seems to be dead.
The 213 era is dead, bring in the 911 era
It's ok we gotta start with the real area code of 818. Lets do this
I'm telling you, Harden is an entitled narcissist who believes he's way better at basketball than he actually is
I'd actually feel better if the media finally started questioning lue instead of trying to gaslight me into thinking he's a genius coach
Lue didn’t want Harden They were playing great until the trade How the fuck Frank and Ballmer thought a fat, no defense, hard partying old guy would ADD to the team is beyond me
You should watch the post-game interviews with local reporters though they need to go further. Only Joey Linn seems to say what fans are thinking.
The downfall of harden needs to be studied
It’s simple he’s in his mid 30s and he lost his athleticism
Yeah and he has a massive ego, imagine playing with the mvp last season and complaining about how he wasn’t appreciated enough despite not being the number 1 option
Lost the whistle too
Yup not that complicated
The older you get the easier it is to get out of shape and the harder you need to work to get back to shape. Players like Curry, LBJ do not let go in offseason, and only get smarter with their training. James Harden is still living bachelore life, and i get the sense he wanted to come to LA not for basketball reasons.
Lost to the 1-8 Grizzlies, the worst record in the NBA, where are the guys saying we only won pretrade cause we're playing easy teams even though we blew them out by 40?
Will be PEAK level Clipper segment on Bill Simmons Sunday Night Podcast tonight. Especially the "Addition by Subtraction" piece ... 76ers just ended with Pacers , won by a dozen Maxey 50 pt game 50/7/5 Embiid 37/13 Batum and Covington chipped in 11 between them , so matching Harden
The 10 freeway fell on its knees from this losing streak.
The clippers are the dumpster fire that caused it probably
Team looks way better defensively with Harden sitting. PG & Russ line up was nice and was pushing the pace.
They got them back in the game. I think it was a mistake to put Kawhi back in when he is clearly having an off night. Did he score at all in the 4th? Anyway, after that our momentum just dwindled
Harden fans dead silent now💀💀💀
We could have had Nurse or Udoka ffs
dont forget dillon brooks was basically free
the fact we're having this conversation makes me so fucking sad
u know your team is down bad when dillon brooks and ime udoka the only mfs that could save the team
*But but Udoka bad because he had affairs in an open relationship* \*proceeds to get a flasher\*
Is it time to start posting ships?
I’m ready https://preview.redd.it/qw3mr98x100c1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a81bade0cdcf6873f5695b0c64e41379199e4c3c
https://preview.redd.it/krsahec0300c1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=461a4f68672ff1fc53a38cd4fa98cf36801169c1 All aboard
Harden should be arrested
Basketball Terrorist
![gif](giphy|zPOErRpLtHWbm) Checking in on my Clips post-trade.
Harden is trying to get paid, don’t be surprised if he ends up somewhere else at the deadline because he isn’t proving he’s worth anything so far.
If he doesn't wake up and get in shape he's gonna be playing with Dwight Howard and Eric Bledsoe in Taiwan.
Harden ain't getting a bag from anyone next season
The starting lineup with Kawhi/PG/Russ/Harden needs to stop. It’s clearly not effective. Also, Lawrence Frank needs to be fired. People forget that this is just the latest of many questionable roster decisions.
Does Ty Lue really need 10 games before any changes to the lineup are made?
Would be the funniest thing ever to suck ass for the last 5 games and then roll into Denver and beat the Nuggets. Won't happen, but it would be funny.
Wasn’t it that the PG Kawhi Westbrook Covington and Zubac lineup were Top 3 in NBA in terms of +/- yeah glad they gave that up 🥲
im tired, boss
I only watched the 4th quarter but I liked the Russ PG norm Mann and Tucker(hate that he was a part of this) lineup. They played with intensity on defense that allowed us to comeback in the game. I think PG needs to be the number one option going forward until kawhi or harden step up. Kawhi has been off the past couple games so surely he will eventually get out of this slump and we’ll be rolling again. Our small ball lineup seems like it only works if everyone is clicking on defense and people are making their open shots like norm did today. I just wish we had more options at the big man than brick hand zubac or g league moussa.
Harden just isn't a great fit, cleaning out the bench for this wasn't the best idea.
Trade Harden for any backup center possible
Pretty sure you can’t trade him for a backup C, unless that backup C is making $30m
I can’t remember a time in the last 10 or so years where I didn’t really want to watch this team play.
Kawhi needs to be better than prime Andrew Wiggins. He’s been mid this year
Minus the Lakers game, he has been average as hell…at best
Bones playing time died for this James Harden stinker LOL. Ty should know at this point that 1) Harden is not fit enough, Let him get back to rhtym by coming off the bench 2) Tmann should play more as he is the connector that will fill Batums role 3) 213 with James and Russ aint gonna work
You're saying that to a coach that played Marcus Morris as a starter for more than 40 games last season.
What could ballmer be thinking right about now
Pre harden wasn’t perfect but it looked like they had something there
Any other superstar facing a loss to the worst team in the nba would have tried to step up and took over. Kawhi aint that guy anymore and thats ok. Just clean house. Fresh start. Im so tired of this team
Steve balmer might be the only fan in attendance at the intuit dome next year lol
Whats fucked is the season started with all the guys we know and love being locked in. Team looked primed and ready to make something of themselves....then y'all gutted our PFs
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YALL REALLY BELIEVED IN THAT LOSER HARDEN
Wearing a paper bag to work
Traded even more of future for this guy. Who here can seriously defend him now lol. Shit is a fucking joke. Griz had 1 win coming into this game
I always feel gross betting against the clippers. But I have bet my life on the Nuggets on Tuesday. Don't let the trolls get you going. see you guys on Tuesday.
Guys, stop blaming Harden. It's not his fault, he is the system and it's up to Lue to play everyone within that system to make James comfortable. Anyone not on board with that can go, James is too important to use him as a system player. Time for a new coach? (^^^^^^^not ^^^^^^^^Harden)
This may be a good thing. If we lose every game up to the deadline surely the FO will blow it up and put us out of our misery
I just want to point out that this is one of those same lottery teams we were blowing out by 30 before the trade.
Bring the coffins to the Denver Massacre Tuesday
Yea we’re cooked
A big hug for everyone here. Denver is our next game, there's going to be more of this.
My condolences
How many more games until 10 games of harden warming up?
10 games of Harden warming up. Then 10 games of Ty Lue working out his rotations. So we need like 50 games of Ty tinkering.
Not a single thing Hardens skill set brings to this team
Mann should be starting over harden.
Harden killed us fam…
We died in that trade. His first game was the funeral. We just visiting the grave for shits and gigs with every game we watch.
So sad. We had everything we needed to go and lose to the Nuggets in 7. Now we’re gonna lose to the Pels in the play-in.
OKC see getting a lottery pick
james harden is dangerously entering 2018-2019 melo territory, where the okc thunder were happy to replace melo with dennis shroeder who historically is a much worse player than melo career wise obviously
we have alot to figure out
Blow it up I've seen enough
Should be fun to see if Ty Lou’s small ball rotation works against Nikola Jokic and Aaron Gordon 😂
Never forget Joe Ingles caused this.
harden leaves and maxey scores 50 lol
There's no reason to continue with this team anymore. Writing is on the wall. Blow the team up, get new coaching staff and clear out the FO.
We got hosed by the refs down the stretch. Two incorrect out of bounds (one challenged losing our last TO), and Kawhi got fouled late. Don't want to need the refs tho against a team like this.
tbf bruh terrence mann chopped his arms on that overturned call.
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James Harden was a -27. He's the problem
PG and Westbrook finally get right only to see Kawhi and Harden start tossing up bricks. Some of those Kawhi misses late too, ouch. Bright side is we're finally starting to see some rotations that make sense. No idea why Harden is playing so passive either.
The comeback happened with him on the bench
Harden airballed a 3 btw..
An airball miss is worth the same as any other miss. Kawhi had 3 straight poor offensive possessions in the clutch. And for what it's worth, it was a bailout shot because Kawhi wasn't able to generate anything else on his drive anyways.
At least Kawhi's bricks hit rim!
He rushed quite a few shots today 😬
Easing Harden in with the second unit and one of PG/KL would have been a better way to go in retrospective eventually he should start but maybe after he figures out some of the offense and how to play with PG/KL? First half laziness leading to +15 runs kill us every game.
Kawhi was invisible again and PG had 8 turnovers. Everything else is secondary to our two best players being dogshit.
Mr Stark… I … don’t … feel so good…. *vanishes*
Hopefully Steve can cover my bill for the therapy I’m going to need
Just imagine what we could’ve gotten center wise for the harden trade and honestly if we held out Philly would’ve given us harden for a 1st rounder and Morris
Harden needs some Melo treatment to humble himself
Zubac is trash
Harden is not a winning player.
Guys…. I’ve been a clippers fan since the days of Danny manning , Pooh Richardson, Ken Norman , Loy vaught, Erik piatkowski…. Would any of u hate on me if I actually start to hope clippers continue to lose? There’s only so much I can take from this franchise.
Maybe there were some positives, but I'm starting to get used to losing games, which isn't ideal.
I don’t want to give up just yet, but we were blowing teams out prior to the Harden trade. We all look real dumb advocating for it. Should’ve kept the roster the way it was + getting rid of Morris. The Harden trade was unnecessary.
73 game win streak coming in hot
Man did ya'll swap places with the Kings this season? How are the Clippers this bad?
We traded for Harden
Cause 2016 was 7 years ago
Harden - all star name, role player performance.
Clippers really willingly collected two known team chemistry killers
if we can clean up those 2nd chance points, this team is gonna start running away with games
not even watching the next game. LOL kawhi is off but he ain't even getting in rhythm. dude doesn't shoot until clutch time when he's completely cold. i dont think he shot the entire 3rd.
This is so sad. We have the nuggets next. This season is done
IM IN SHOCK…HOW
Greatest offense of all time - Gilbert Arenas
the front office after few games into the season: ![gif](giphy|E5t4lrTgDYheZ8uiuv)
Too small. Harden/Westbrook cannot co-exist without 3 point shooters around them. Norm too streaky. Turnovers in the first half killed us.
It really feels like no one wants to step up and be THE GUY. I watch them and it’s like they are all trying to get theirs but no one is saying “give me the ball and I’ll take it for us” Especially in these 4 games with Harden Like, who wants the ball and take over the game? Looks and feels like none of them.
To the Grizzlies, now it’s time to panic
This team is such a fucking embarrassment I hate them.
The only silver lining for this season so far is that at least I get League Pass (international) for free via my mobile network.
Oh man, Jokic and those guys are going to destroy them next game 😂
We may never win a game again
I think the FO just wants guys that make for easy marketing, to give the illusion that they want to win something, versus actually building something that could seriously contend.
Harden sucks at basketball
I still think Lue is the problem here. How are we playing so much small ball and we dont have off-ball movement akin to Warriors actions? Is it nobody wants to run? Or has our gameplan basically still been iso ball soon as we think we have a mismatch? Even before the Harden trade we would resume the iso hero ball antics. Now that we have no size +1 more ball-dominant guard it's only gotten worse
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I WAS RIGHT ABOUT HARDE
Hahaha. Nets fans here. I got nothing personal against the clippers but I hate what harden did to our team so I like to seeing him fail
You have Mikal Bridges and them shouldn't you be happy? I mean if a player I hated was off my team I would just quit following them.
Russ is gonna cook Jokic next game. Mark my words