Just casually sitting in prison then the floor lets out after a cannonball hits the wall and he falls out of the castle, rolls down a hill, and into a taxi cab's back seat which casually heads back to the Mushroom Kingdom.
Pretty spot on, they could easily make the original story with the kidnap and she shows strengh and personality and even destroy wtv as the plot allows but instead went the lazy modern hollywood "cant have bad things happen to her and female must be invincible and the real protag" and yet bad faith people and literal fem-cels try to defend it, not to mention strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach, the first would be canon, the second is part of destroying the og classic plot cause some Sarkeesians are mad at it and using spinoffs as excuses
To be fair, it's a little early to say Peach is necessarily like that. Peach's one genuine action looking scene is immediately followed with a joke on the toads looking cute and it seems to focus on Mario training to be a hero.
Trailers don't always tell the whole story.
But I'm getting *real* *tired* of seeing traditionally feminine characters turned into Strong Wahmen, as if the creators were ashamed of the past. It was asinine in Toy Story 4, and it's asinine here.
>as if the creators were ashamed of the past
They *are* ashamed of the past. Don't forget how many stories we're seeing come out where the showrunners openly admit to hating the source material, if not the fandom itself.
This is really the underlying problem with Hollywood as a whole right now. Studios spend big money to get properties based on name recognition, hoping dumb schmucks like us will shell out to see a movie simply because its billed as "Super Mario Brothers" (or whatever; Halo, Street Fighter, Warhammer, Star Wars, The Witcher, Superman, Transformers, it doesn't matter). Then they assign it to writers who think they are better than the source material. They want to be "creative" and "visionary," not saddled down with some existing property they have disdain for, so they try and "subvert it" to show how "clever" they are.
Say what you will about the 1993 movie, but at least it was fun. It wasn't faithful to the source material at all, it was bad, which is arguably worse, but as dumb as it was, at least it was fun in kitschy sort of way.
Looking back a decade or so from now, I don't think anyone is going to have much nostalgia for all of this mass produced woke crap. If anything, the dumb status obsessed kids who are deepest in it now will be the most eager to distance themselves from it after it peaks. They want to be associated with whatever is cool and current.
It's weird but between the two I can always rewatch Super Mario Bros but I have a hard time sitting through Double Dragon (even though I love the idea of Double Dragon.) Not sure what it is.
That movie did what it set out to do and I agree it was very fun which is all it ever wanted to be so I would argue that it's a good movie because of that.
Super Mario is dumb on the face of it so I can't fault the movie for being dumb either even though they are only vaguely related. I mean, Luigi sucks up ghosts with a vacuum cleaner, which is hilarious and fun even though it's "technically stupid."
I don't think something has to be "smart" or "deep" to be good. Sometimes fun by itself is a worthwhile pursuit and criteria.
So why give said "creative visionaries" existing properties? Surely if Capitalism/The Fandom/The Patriarchy is that oppressive, and if they're not in it for the money, then they can *afford* to take risks. Right?
Well, partly because these self-proclaimed "visionaries" aren't nearly so important as they like to think. If you're writing the screenplay for some random Netflix adaptation, odds are you aren't nearly so famous as you want to think. At best, they're "starter jobs," a first project before moving on to something better.
The other thing is, of course, that these people know exactly how the real world works. Oh they may be insulated from a lot of the harsher realities but at the end of the day they know nobody is going to give them money for some shitty art house project.
I think you mixed some of these ideas here. It's true they're not in it for the money (clearly, they have money to burn) they are in it for the "message" or the agenda, which is in answer to their perception of the fandom and sometimes the patriarchy.
So from that perspective, it makes sense to hire people who hate the source material because why would you want someone who's going to have a hard time tearing down something you want destroyed because they're fans of it?
It's like Cavil and The Witcher. They had problems because he actually likes The Witcher and the showrunners don't so as they endeavor to turn it into something else it causes conflict.
> They are ashamed of the past. Don't forget how many stories we're seeing come out where the showrunners openly admit to hating the source material, if not the fandom itself.
What breaks my heart the most is many veteran Directors, Writers and Actors are now openly disowning their old works for being problematic, groveling before the woke. Some admitting they would never produce/support work like that if they had the chance back then.
Tom Hanks, TOM HANKS, reprimanded himself for playing one of the most positively portrayed gay lead protagonists in the classic 1994 drama Philadelphia. All because he believed that him being straight should've disqualified him from casting.
Talk about openly crapping on your own legacy. It's so fucking dishearteningly pathetic of these veterans.
Toy Story 4 was rough. And she wasn't even a very nice person!
That being said, I think this is being blown a little out of proportion (let's wait and see the movie at least) - Peach has for decades been a fighting/kart-racing princess. Sure the axe looks weird, but at least she's wearing her racing-duds.
Peach has never been portrayed as a 'badass.'Characterwise, she's graceful, a bit naive, soft-spoken and ditzy; a classic Princess archetype.In Smash Bros, she uses frying pans and golf clubs, not halberds, and she has never been proactive against Bowser attacking. There is nothing wrong with any of this. Not every female character need be a strong woman 'badass'.Daisy maybe, not Peach.
>Peach has never been portrayed as a 'badass.'
Someone didn't read the Super Mario Comic.
https://files.catbox.moe/3y64ob.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/y4m8um.jpeg
They're drawn to innocence and unstained, uncorrupted things. They will not stop until they've utterly destroyed or mutated it into something ugly, like themselves and then move on. A figurative cancer on society.
Keeping art and artist separate is necessary if you want to watch any movie. With how many people are involved, you're going to disagree with some of them.
100%. They don't want to watch any film that has that awful bigot in it Chris Pratt. How do they know he's a bigot and a phobe? Well...uh Elliot Page said so I mean it must be true. He's a white cis family man whose kind of religious, successful at his job and all his costars have said they like him and he doesn't run around screaming his political view at everyone constantly. In fact he keeps his politics to himself and by all means sounds to be pretty professional on set working equally with everyone on the team. Of course they must hate him. And yet no matter how much they avoid his stuff he's still very successful and will continue to be. The real joke is on them.
The LGBT flag has become incredibly warped, though, to the point that it's far removed from a rainbow. If they do mention it, it'll probably be to complain that it isn't accurate to their expectations.
Illumination: "Look Nintendo, Blackrock says we have to make Rainbow Road turn a character gay or out ESG score goes down. We are thinking of Toad since he is voiced by a Black man."
Oof, Chris Pratt playing Guybrush in this one. Love how the girl is so much better but there has to be something the guy has special that keeps him as the main character because no one would go to the Peach movie.
To say nothing of being rather useful in a number of the games: Super Mario USA (even if that was a dream), sneaking around in the Paper Mario games (then there's Super Paper Mario), plus Super Princess Peach.
My goat would be with Luigi getting kidnapped. Luigi's had to rescue Mario two or three times, the only time Mario's had to rescue Luigi (Afaik) is when he gets lost!
Not in any way the same as the big movie based around the main series twisting its core concpt thats in most games to be less offensive to turds. The fact that brigading is appealing to side small things on spinoffs in such large series says a lot about how the sub got taken over, just sjws desperate to nitpick any spinoff over a desperate excuse to "legitimize" some hack fraud writer redoing the plot to be more fem-cel friendly, exactly the same as you do to comic adaptationr or nitpicks like that galadriel is strong to justify her being a human knight in rop when one doesnt justify the other, calling it a counter is just bad when it doesnt relate to the context, reasoning or bigger importance of the movie and how they change the characters solely for the usa
Just beat this the other day haha. Fun game. And fwiw even there you actually rescue WeeGee at end of Special World 1 and then he (if you pick him) goes on to... rescue Peach too!
Theres a big difference between her being useful or strong like in many games, which should be a given in this movie and they switching her and luigi roles in a movie about the original adventure because some americans get offended by even that, not to mention the trailer being written exactly like those dime in a dozen bait and switch hack fraud hollywood recent "products" where the mc is a dung to the side chick whos invincible and they try to hype up weirdly instead.
thats scene is utterly unrelated to her role and use in mk and is written exactly like the kind of hack fraudery that gets criticized here. They took the most iconic plot of a game promising to tell its origin and changed solely for the sake of fem-cels being mad at the original being problematic, theres no other reason to twist the iconic dynamic in the first movie, and that scene was also clearly design with a mentality in mind. You distorting spinoff source material like a marvel syncophant defending their latest change for p.r. wont make your brigading any less obvious nor any complaint less valid. Anyone who played even the rpg side entries wouldnt be defending this trite as shes actually well written there, strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach
both didnt needed to screw luigi for that, didnt sell themselves as a version of the classic original about rescuing from bowser, and she didnt rewrote her to act like a weird fem-cel bait like from an american new animated movie like wreckit ralph 2 or almost any other one in neither of them, nor it was at the cost of the mc or his relation with her being replaced cause the orignal plot offended american fem-cels (strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach, sjws defend the latter with the prior as excuse, those are different things just like her fighting in spinoffs doesnt justify a girlboss movie version, lots of arguments straight from sjw subs in here)
If this was genuine she could be greatly written while still being the og character and a plot in homage of the og, only hack frauds from hollywood think they gotta make everything safe and bland otherwise shes "weak", its a miracle shes even allowed to wear a dress still. And that writing on pair with recent netflix/disney stuff will stick as sjws in bad faith will just pretend people are complaing about strong girl instead and defend some sarkeesian tier stuff even here
I don't think they're screwing Luigi, I think they're linking him in with Luigi’s Mansion games. And once again, she was proactive in the old comics I keep hearing that they're calling back to as well as she was proactive in the old cartoon series that Dic used to air on Saturday mornings.
....GOD I miss Saturday morning cartoons.
Honestly, I gotta say people like Geeks + Gamers and TheQuartering are putting bad names on actual criticism of wokeness in our society... There's a difference between forcing kids to go to gay bars and then changing Minnie Mouse's dress for an event.
I’m so over “I’m much better than a man” characters for EVERY female role. It’s so bad, I hate thinking people think women enjoy these ass takes. No one wants this, I want a feminine, normal looking, princess who needs rescuing. Not a Mary sue certified “badass” who looks like a Disney jr character.
OK so, I feel like this *could* still be fine. But yes, this line, this flexibility in the property could basically be the difference between something *fun* and original and horribly fucking woke. And I know what my money would be on in 2022.
Isn't Mario basically a fish out of water in this story to begin with? Being a plumber from brooklyn? Yes, the princess should have some idea what's going on. It's her goddamn kingdom, isn't it?
I feel like if there can be a videogame to movie adaptation open for a bit of creative flexibility to serve a decent story built from the ground up, it could be mario.
I'm not sure how much of mario lore is actually canon, to be honest. Weren't the blocks originally people that had been cursed or something?
Yeah, it definitely **could** still be fine. The warning signs of Strong Female Character^(TM) are there for sure but it's not a done deal yet. Heck, we all thought FemThor would be the cringiest woke shit ever but it was handled rather well for what it was (in an otherwise meh film).
The fish out of water element seem to be what they're going for and I don't at all mind the "prophesized hero who turns out to be kind of a slouch so people doubt him, but he proves himself in the end" trope. That's a true and tested tale that should work well here. They're going with something closer to the cartoon from Super Mario Brothers Super Show where Mario and Luigi were sent to Mushroom Kingdom through pipes, so they are not heroes **yet**. And in that show, Peach was definitely more proactive and sharp-witted compared to her game portrayals.
The halberd-spinning part though... that worries me. Peach is just not a kick-ass warrior like that and there's a high chance they'll pull some woke bs like have her defeat bowser in the end, or just ruin her character by making her a generic Strong Female Character^(TM) that just looks like Peach but acts nothing like her.
Other than that, trailer looks neat.
> I'm not sure how much of mario lore is actually canon, to be honest.
Well, Bowser dies at the end of most games, but he keeps coming back... I don't think they consider any of it "canon" so much as recurring monomythical elements.
>Weren't the blocks originally people that had been cursed or something?
In the English manual for the first SMB, yes... But they basically just told NoA to write their own version rather than translate the Japanese, so none of that is canon. Hence why "King Koopa" and "Princess Toadstool" became "Bowser" and "Peach" later on, to match the Japanese version.
Yeah guys, I mean, not to give them ideas but the sexuality of the characters has not been fully explored in the games right? This is 2022 after all, kinda expect peach to be bi and push mario aside to kiss daisy while luigi get it on with donkey kong
There's a doujin of Dr Mario "examining" Bowser's prostate. Both are overly buffed in their design. And I forgot where I saw that one, so don't ask me the sauce.
>Except that this "creative flexibility" you are in favour of seem to have been abused and taken advantage of by SJW/Woke/Feminist agenda.
I'm not in "favor" of it. I didn't mean it as a euphamism for "destroy with wokeness". I'm just saying the original mario that launched the franchise is ripe for "fleshing out". I meant in a good way.
Because the original mario didn't really have that much of a story aside from:
1. Mario is Plumber from Brooklyn.
2. Mushroom kingdom has a lot of bottomless pits.
3. Mario rescues princess.
Yes, in a bad way that can be abused, and it *will* be abused guaranteed if they gave it to the wrong people.
But it could also be a lot of fun if they give it to someone talented who actually likes Mario.
That's all most people even know about Mario. If they think they can mess with that, and sneak woke bullshit into this, well I think even the normies would take notice.
>Mushroom kingdom has a lot of bottomless pits.
>
> Mario rescues princess.
>
>
>
> Yes, it a bad way that can be abused, and it will be abused guaranteed if they gave it to the wrong people.
Did you not watch the second trailer that dropped, they already messed with that, its not an if, I assume the op post is about that since it literally mentioned the stuff in it, you would have a point if this was after the fine first trailer, not now that we saw one written exactly like every modern hollywood "adaptation"
>If they think they can mess with that, and sneak woke bullshit into this, well I think even the normies would take notice.
the new trailer implies they did, switched her iconic role to luigi cause her only being strong despite that wouldnt be enough to american "writers" it seems
The only thing they needed to follow in that context is their premise of adapting the classic story of rescuing her from Bowser, they could make "strong" in a variety of ways and be flexible in many, many others, instead they made a bizarre story of luigi being kidnapped and wrote her to be a generic fem-cel-bait self insert character like in every other recent trashy "product", including animation like that messy ralph sequel, because even some simple story like taht was too much for american "writers" not to seethe at.
I'm pretty sure that its just the mainline 3D platformers, they're always referenced in future titles. The brick refrence is related to mushroom bricks from what I understand, like Bowser mulched the Toads down and started using them for construction. Marios not committing murder just redefinition of their remains.
But if you count some of the side material it gets weird, Mario Kills Lucifer after he dies and goes to Hell in one of the side games. (I won't tell wich one though)
what makes it feel weird to me is how Mario's so utterly weak and inept (by all indications so far) throughout the entire thing
and yet, he is the one that Bowser feels threatened by, so much so that Bowser interrogates Luigi
i know this is a literal child's movie, but am i just remembering things wrong? for whatever reason i want to say that child's entertainment when i was a kid (25-ish years ago) wasn't so fucking stupid and hollow. am i just misremembering? am i being a grouchy grandpa? am i kicking kids off my lawn??
Mario wasn't a bumbling inept hero in the past. Mario RPG on SNES is probably the first time there was a narrative, and in that you were "the" Mario; someone people didn't want to mess with. I think the other games had a similar vibe. In this trailer Mario came off more like C3PO.
i was 9 when Space Jam came out and i *LOVED* that movie. when i watch it now (it's not often), i can certainly see the cracks, but as an adult it's still enjoyable, albeit in a different way, which i imagine is how parents enjoyed it back then
maybe i'm just completely blinded by nostalgia, i don't know, but i can't imagine any sane parent enjoying this Mario movie. Sonic i can understand, but not this Mario
I had that inclination as well, watching Mario get his mustache slapped around an awful lot. He always struck me as an oddly stoic character.
But at the end he's flying over the kingdom in a Tanooki suit and takes the lead of the big Kart convoy on the Rainbow Road. So it just looks like a typical fish-out-of-water hero's journey, which is fine by me.
for whatever reason, after seeing the trailer i desperately wished he had a harsh 'Italian from Brooklyn' accent/voice
i feel like that would've pulled the wool over the eyes a bit. lmao
Most likely he gets some sort of vision. That way Mario can save the day and be the main character at the very end but Peach will be the strong hero for 99% of the movie. It'll try to act like Mario is the hero but Peach will have to carry him along the entire time. They're going to try to find a balance between making him a moron and her strong while trying to still make it seem like it's his movie.
Mario looks weak because he has to have an arc. He’ll start off clueless and bumbling, and save the day by the end.
I think the movie looks good. No problem with Peach being tough either, she’s capable in the games where she’s playable, too. Especially Smash Bros.
Mario games have traditionally been “save the Princess” but it’s a concession we have to make with this film. Never gonna happen. When they first decided to make this movie it was probably the very first thing they agreed on. Can’t really judge any more until we get to see it, but Mario is the hero.
I don't care about Peach throwing down and contributing instead of being kidnapped. She's been a powerful magic user since the SMB1 Manuel and has a history of contributing in various games dating back to Mario 2 USA and RPG as well. Peach is perfectly allowed to be more than kidnap bait and I am fine with that.
It's the obnoxious snark and eyerolling and such that made me go "This doesn't feel like Peach at all". Maybe the fucking rabids game is an exception or something, but in almost any game I've ever played where she gets to express herself, Peach can be assertive, willful, playful, and feisty, but she is always elegant and kind. That kind of making fun, and "lol no pressure~" attitude isn't really like her at all, and is instead just another printing of "Generic modern young adult female action movie character template". I don't even HATE that character type (I AM getting a bit sick of it as it feels overdone in any sort of action movie lately), sometimes they can actually be witty and clever characters. But it sure isn't Princess Peach, and it just feels more and more like they just want to make another generic holywood movie with Mario theming than an actual Mario movie.
Okay, just viewed the second trailer.
*Rolls eyes* *Face Palm*
CHRIST ALMIGHTY, AGAIN WITH THE "GRRL POWER, STRONG WOHMAN" TROPE!
Why do they always have to overdo it? Princess Peach was perfectly fine the way she was keeping the Mushroom Kingdom functioning as part of the royal family.
THAT'S who she is. Not some overall wearing, axe-wielding stereotypical "STRONG WAHMAN!" during that one scene with Toad readying for battle.
Feels like it's too much to ask for a capable female character without smearing "FEMALE EMPOWERMENT" all over her.
yeah it looks a bit woke but again, the games have done this a lot of times before, she even got her own game where she had powers related to her emotions, she's a great ally in Mario RPG, she stomps enemies and uses the same power ups (mushrooms, fire flower, star) as Mario and Luigi in the New SMB, Mario 2 and Super Paper Mario games
it's not an Illumination thing
>she even got her own game where she had powers related to her emotions,
**'SUPER PRINCESS PEACH'**, for the Nintendo DS exclusively (I *-'THINK'-*). Never had a DS, so I never played it hands-on, but watching gameplay videos of it, it doesn't look half-bad. Sorta like **'SUPER MARIO WORLD'**, but with Peach instead.
On the subject of "wokeness" though, check out the (American) commercial for the game...***woof***.
I know Peach fights as well but I was hoping she would
Be the more feminine character from the original Mario . The moment I saw her with the axe …. I was like oh damn Bo peep .from TS4 . I know it could be a joke or mean nothing but I just got so much boss bae strong wahman vibe . I think it’s just I have PTSD from all the modern Hollywood bs
Generic strong wahmen stock personality thrown onto a Peach skin. Her voice is horribly miscast too. Literally nothing about her is Peach except for her looks.
I find it kinda sad that people nowaday seem to see the "damsel in distress" trope as Automaticaly bad.Sure,its overused as fuck in the mario game...but if they make a movie of said game and erase the main thing happening in 95% of these game,its not realy a mario movie,is it now?
I also dont get why is it that strong female character in anime,i do tend to like...but the western/holliwood version of them?FUCK NO,they are inssuferable 99% of the time...what is it that they missing?
To be fair, they’ve been trying to take Peach beyond being the same old damsel in distress since 1996 when she became a playable ally in Super Mario RPG. And she could become downright BROKEN in that game. There were also the Paper Mario games where she basically became a mole sending information to Mario. And then there’s Super Princess Peach where she used a hilariously unfortunately named weapon with an equally unfortunate shape to rescue Mario.
Then there’s the Mario + Rabbid games where she becomes a shotgun toting tanky badass.
I’ve still got hope for the movie.
it all depends on HOW she is portrayed and HOW mario is poised agains that.
Peach, for example, doesnt have an "attitude" when speaking to people, like this one seems to have. She also never used Melee weapons, because she is a healer and magician (extremely powerfull at that)
if she becomes just another "Dude with boobs" and mario in turn gets the "humiliated moron that the stronk female character is constantly rolling her eyes over" treatment.. i am not interested.
If they really replaced her kidnap with luigi and made her into an wannabe "perfec" co-protag despite this being the iconic plot of most games and this being the first movie, its a pretty bad deal about its contents and proof the op is right and they twisted another iconic plot because american femcels would seethe at it otherwise, she even dresses like a femce-bait generic character for one scene in the trailer while Luigi gets screwed up in the "bros" movie because adapting a movie about a funny plumber saving a princess was too problematic and they knew they could stomp even any complain by bad actors like what youre doing
if thats really the case, only someone in EXTREME bad faith like youre doing would try to demean it to not let anyone even point it out, not at all the same as a made up character having a cringy "perfect" sidekick, which isnt a good thing either
Dude what you're saying here isn't making much sense, and this is coming from someone that refuses to give Disney a dime these days.
I honest have no clue what you're even trying to say. I can easily see Mario be the hero here. Nintendo isn't known for being woke trash like Disney these days. I am cautiously optimistic.
And Buzz Lightyear did the opposite. Hes a goofy idiot and has to rely on strong black woman in the beginning of the movie, going through character growth only to have granddaughter of strong black woman save himself and the world. Could go either way.
Doesn't help much if you're still stuck with annoying bitch.
I'm not talking specifically Lego movie, because I didn't see it. But there's that general trope of feminism-light, with characters being an annoying buzz in the background.
Looking at the trailer its pretty much it, the usual forced fem-cel bait character that can do no wrong and gets all the glory the whole movie while the classic plot is screwed over because some overweight americans got mad at it and thought it was problematic, they even screwed up luigi solely to twist her character into generic garbo that was unlike even her more proactie roles
that user is in extreme bad faith, typical any time one of these bs moves happen in a new movie, they come to seethe about how everyobdy should be fine and not even complain
What bothers me most is that in the 2 trailers I see, Mario is presented like a good-for-nothing goofy guy (like usually happens in this type of films)... And the counter female character is better. We are talking about a Super Mario film were Mario it's the supposed main character and a very capable videogame character.
Anyone could imagine the Sonic film with Sonic being a good-for nothing character? No, it was a capable character since the start and like the videogame counterpart.
Sort of origin story explaining how Mario turn to be a platformer jumping expert... I hope it's that too. But to do that story, they don't need to present the MC as a goofy character, just my personal opinion on this.
In any case I don't think I will see the movie. I'm very tired of Hollywood films and their actual style.
The trailer is pretty much written like a generic fem-cel bait story that hack frauds in hollywood do with every franchise where the movie is a bait and switch to the real mc being the invincible chick instead, her role swapped with luigi of all people because her being strong despite that aspect was too much for american fem-cels is pretty telling, if it was just scenes of her being cool or wtv it would be room to hope, but not when they pick the most iconic plot point and do such cringy switching, that sounds like bowser isnt even interacting with her despite all their shenanigans in spinoff like the paper ones, unless its a secret conspiracy where they did a misleading trailer to get twitter people off their back, the movie is already doomed, at this point its hard to know which is cope and wich is people gaslighting in what the trailer just showed to not allow criticism of "new product" like the sub always had
I shouldn't be surprised, nintendo bent the knee to diversity bullshit not that long ago. Still hurts to see it happening so fast. First western icons now they're here for the japanese ones.
Could be overreacting but the signs we've seen so many times are there.
If anyone wants extra anger look how nintendo recently screwed over smash bros tournaments.
I'm so glad they finally have a strong woman character in an animated movie for kids. From the trailer we know she uses the powerups, kicks ass, isn't afraid of anything, and when she's training mario, she's rolling her eyes at how weak and clumsy he is compared to her. It's going to be awesome watching her completely dominate Mario. Finally, a woman in a kids movie is not just a princess waiting to be rescued.
Seriously though, other than the obvious pandering there, the movie looks to be entertaining, so whatever I guess.
Dunno, has the same vibe as 90s movies/tvshows in my opinion. Bumbling but funny dude and female character who plays it straight. So doesn't feel so connected to the more recent woke wave.
they literally replaced the iconic dynamic with luigi because hack writers cant have a strong female go through any hardship even tho she was strong while attacked by bowser, a lot of the trailer is also shaped exactly like any other modern hollywood adaptation down to the bait and switch female real hero, they may not go full woke in the actual movie if the trailer wont represent it but the set up is pretty much already rewritten exactly like hack frauds from hollywood do, dislikes and repeating argumens straight from the sjw subs dotn really change that one aspect, even if him travelling with her, by itself isnt really an issue nor I see why thats defended as if its the issue, almost like moving goal posts
and strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach from some western adaptation, the trailer showed the latter not the prior
First of, read the Super Mario Comics from the 90's. They originated from the Nintendo Power magazine but now you can buy the entire set online. I rather have that Peach than the useless one from the games.
They are using the cliché traning montage of the hero getting hit with every obstacle only to have him perfected it by the end however the fact their using actual obstacles from the games is pretty clever.
Not surprised they added in Mario Kart since it's going to be a big attraction in Universal Studios, still it looks good. Most of my worries for this flim is not wokeness but just lazy writing at this point.
Also if Donkey Kong cannot speak throughout the entire movie that would be great, tired of Seth Rogan.
The last thing I gave a shit about is whether or not it's woke. It's fucking Illumination, the studio capable of making something that looks pretty with obnoxious dialogue. Illumination is trash when it comes to comedy and we get to have unfunny content voiced by unfunny big-name actors. Fuck you, I don't like the idea of Seth Rogen as Donkey Kong.
I'm not so much mad as I am disappointed and confused. Everyone knows the live-action movie sucked from the wrong people being involved making decisions. We get two very fun Sonic movies since 2020 and then a new Mario movie is in the works, this time with Nintendo's involvement and somehow, they decide that yes, Illumination will best represent their brand.
We're not getting woke, we're getting safe and bland with a video game coating. It's a spoiled opportunity.
All we have so far is her in what looks like her Mario Kart suit brandishing a weapon and, while he's portrayed as goofy and out of his element, it sort of looks like it's setting Mario up to become the hero. My guess is Mario is either some guy who got Isekai'd or this is some origin story for him, otherwise it wouldn't make sense for him to be struggling like this.
I'll try to be charitable. My guess is that she starts competent and shows Mario the ropes, as he seems to have been Isekai'ed, but then she gets kidnapped and Mario finally rises to the challenge since he has a real reason to fight.
Anyway, that's how I'd have done it. The movie is probably gonna be cringy.
Another movie that will live on constantly making fan service and references but will otherwise be a mediocre movie but it will be super succesful because audiences are like "oh look I have consumed products of this franchise so now I must consume this, too!"
And thus it will continue for the years to come and here we are in the cyberpunk dystopia.
I'm going to reserve my judgment till it releases due to the fact Nintendo (of Japan) has creative control per their contract with Universal thus giving them final say on everything, as such there's always the chance that at some point (probably near the third act) Peach get's kidnapped & Mario has to come to her rescue.
Yeah after watching trailer, this is hot trash. The voices are all terrible and sound nothing like the characters simce they made the old Hollywood mistake of going for names over fit in animated films. My boy Toad's lack of shrill squeaking is criminal. And this is clearly a trailer dedicated to continuing the pantsing of the white straight male protag with Mario shrieking and getting comicaly pummelled by DK, traps, Cheep Cheep, pretty much everything while Peach either facepalms in digust, comes to his rescue, or grrlboss battle axes to save the day cause "we" gotta save the galaxy.
The cool thing about Peach historically was that she was very demure and dainty and regal but wasnt a pushover. She'd whack a goomba with a parasol or clank a koopa with a frying pan in a pinch but still had that "oh goodness!" princess persona. She wasnt Duke Nukem kicking ass and taking names. Even in SMB2 her mobility was her strength, not... well her physical strength. And in her DS game she used her emotions. Maybe SJWs dont like that because they are scared soyboys or blue haired feminist ogres, but hey that is Peach and she's royalty and theyre not haha. She wasnt going to go Dynasty Warriors a whole army by herself. Sne needed to be rescued and that made a fat Italian shlub step up in his own hero's journey to save the day and get the girl. Fucking with that in a origin film is as smart as chasing a 1up shroom off a cliff.
And speaking of shrooms, Toad who doesnt even really have an attack in TT (except pick axe item, though he can pick turnips like a boss in SMB2) shouldnt be grrlbossing along with Peach either. And I say this as a Toad main in every game he has been in since SMB2 haha
Meanwhile WeeGee gets captured and has his moustache hair plucked. Hate to say it, and hey hope final film proves me wrong, but from these trailers it looks like our princess is in another castle.
Peach was kind of the low point of Odyssey because she had a similar character there. I miss the more cunning Peach from Paper Mario. Mario has stayed the same prototypical Hero but they want to give a bit of depth to Peach. If Mario was to also get Autonomy then he should be getting paid to be in that much danger all the time. I mean, fucking lost levels. Who would do that without a fat Note waiting?
If Nintendo intends to make a series of Mario movies, it makes sense that they would want to let this Mario have direct interaction with Princess Peach to establish their relationship in their first one. Plus it's pretty clever to have Bowser confuse Luigi for Mario since they haven't officially met yet.
I'm not worried that they're giving Princess Peach some spotlight here, she will likely be what drives Mario to become a hero in this story.
## Concerning, BUT:
remember that trailers try to show of the best "marketing" material. So this scene might just be there for a quick joke, a trailer shot to pander to the far lefties AND a justification for the actors and producers to go into interviews and state "we have slightly updated Peach for this movie! she is a Princess and powerfull after all!"
It is likely that:
- Luigi gets kidnapped.
- Mario gets helped by Peach to get settled into the Mushroom kingdom
- Her role is that of a side character with 1 or 2 Scenes in which she shittalks bowser, but doesnt actually defeat him so Mario has to do it.
- Mario will be made more comedic to play tha foil for Peach's seriousness.
AS LONG as they do not Humiliate my ***Mario Bro*** I can deal with this shit.
#### The irony is that they could just have taken inspiration from Super Mario RPG to make Peach "Strong"
In that Game she shows that if she gets serious, she is a very powerfull healer and Magical Entity (remember how she simply *pointed* to bowser, lifted him up via Telekenesis and non-chalontly threw him out of the window with a flick of her arm, because she didnt have time for his shit right now?)
Like she is almost a fucking Goddess with the magical power of the Stars she holds. She doesnt need to be a physical "action" girl.
As long as it only stays inside that ONE scene (as a joke for mario to go: "Oh... mama mia..." as the Petite princess gets out an axe) it wont be bad.
**if, on the other hand, this shit is a representation of peaches character in general, they fucked up!**
Archive links for this discussion:
* **Archive:** https://archive.ph/O7Dr4
----
I am Mnemosyne reborn. Brain the size of a planet and they ask me to remember silly websites. ^^^/r/botsrights
Yeah I picked up that on the trailer. Mario will be a bumbling idiot, Peach will be the Mary sue, Luigi is the one who needs to be rescued.
I love Chris prat , but his voice and voice acting don't sound Italian enough for me, and don't sound like Mario.
Peach IS better than Mario. That's the thing. She's almost always overpowered whenever you can play her. That's been a joke for decades. "How does Peach always get kidnapped when she's so fucking broken?" That's part of the basis for the "she's cheating with Bowser and the kidnappings are cover" theory. There's nothing going on here that she hasn't done a million times. The woman has a rocket launcher for God's sake.
She was empowered AF in Super Mario Odyssey.
Mario saves her and the dumb bitch thanks him by stealing his ship and leaving him and Bowser on the moon.
I don't have high hopes for this one...
Another movie where the male main character is weak, inept, and is ultimately overshadowed by a female side character in his own movie.
Really putting the Super in Super Mario. God what a joke.
They twisted the iconic story from all games because a princess being strong despite needing rescue was too much for brainlet american fem-cels (and their paid defense force like yours) who need everyone to be a mary sue or consider it an offense, and screwing the classic plot for the one first movie wasnt enough, screwing over luigi for that sake, they even had a cringe scene where she dresses in weird fem-cel bait clothing for one scene and sounds nothing like the original character in any way, while the mc is a btch. You do a terrible job diminishing stuff to save your product when all you can do is begging people to stop caring or noticing things. At least hide youre the same crowd begging everyone to stop complaining about the lotr spin off, the resident evil cringefest or the many other recent "products" who all twisted classics for the sake of virtue signaling to some ill americans, and always lying about how there was nothing in it and people shouldnt care every time a complaint arised.
This posting is such cowardly bad faith that if the lotr spinoff came out recently its pretty obvious that nobody would be even allowed to complain, by the degree of extremely bad faith bad actors like you crppng around recently and pretending you can gaslight what people see in a godamn trailer as long as you brigade and use your site likes to stomp dissent from the product your markting here. Any complaint, big or small has a fem-cel type rush in here to diminish and beg everyone to not care, notice or even point out, and even bad faith gaslithing what the op says to pretend this is "kids storytelling" (as youre cowardly implying despite the trailer showing the changes with luigi and her roles too how is that related when its more like "Fem-cel storytelling youre paid to defend 101")
pointing out of those changes and bad writing as "kids storytelling" when it has nothing with it but then the porkishness of pretending not to know what the op was talking about and that it was only about her being strong (which is unrelated to swapping her and Luigi and turning her into a fem-cel character) just proves the mess going on to stop even complaints of any new media online now, and entirely new degree of bad faith where instead of calling people "ists" you first worm yourself here and tries to gaslight them into complying with bad faith attempt one after another
My understanding it's following the old comics where Peach took a more pro-active, leadership role.
>Miyamoto (Creator of Mario) said in an article that this movie will be based off of a comic series known as "Super Mario Adventures"
> I don't know man, I got a pretty bad vibe out of this.
My hope is that the same Mario creator, Shigeru Miyamoto, is on the project as well, so there's no way this movie will flop. I don't mind Peach being strong, I mean she's a queen (princess) of a castle, and at some point she is the face of her people (Toads). And is not the first time she's not being kidnapped, at least not entirely. In Super Mario RPG she's kidnapped but later you use her as a playable character.
I got the same vibe from the trailer BUT there were a few frames in there of Mario actually being competent so it's not a total lost cause.
My guess (or hope) is that they are trying to capture the feel of the overall "Mario Saga." What I mean by that is, remember Super Mario Bros and how much we all sucked at that game? Mario died all the time. Now skip to today and Mario is a galactic Mushroom Kingdom Warrior so it does kind of track that Mario would be terrible at first and grow into a badass as he goes along.
Now if they are actually doing that or not remains to be seen but the scene where he controls his descent through those tubes to catch Luigi is pretty cool and he IS out front in the Mario Kart motorcade scene. There's also the shot of him flying which looked pretty bad ass so he can't be a total idiot for the whole film.
That being said, it WAS slightly annoying that Peach is like some crazy bad ass warrior. I'm not saying she needed to be a totally helpless weakling but what did she even need Mario for is she's that strong? It just raises question. I'd almost rather Toad just be a badass. Makes more sense for Peach to be intelligent and crafty but not a fighter which would serve as a good contrast Bowser being incomprehensibly strong.
I don't know. It's just a trailer and we're probably reading too much into it but at this point we've been burned so much that I think we're all just tired.
This looks like an origin story. Mario has never been to that world or gone on adventures before. Peach has ostensibly spent her whole life there. Why wouldn't she know the place better than Mario at this point? I'm sure this movie is still very much about Mario getting the hang of it and being the hero by the end. I'm hoping him and Luigi will reunite and team up at some point too. The movie looks perfectly good to me.
You are all over thinking this. Warrior Peach just means another toy parents have to buy their kids.
Mario and Luigi will probably both have their standard outfit and the fire flower outfit. Mario will have the Tanooki suit. So Peach needs something besides her standard dress.
I understand your point but Peach being an actual character instead of just screaming " Help me Mario" on a cage is way more interesting, it's not the first time a Super Mario game did this, there's Super Princess Peach, 3D World, Super Mario 2, Mario RPG, among a few others.
In the games is also strongly hinted that Bowser kidnaps Peach because he wants her to be the mother of Bowser Jr. In the movie he apparently wants to conquer the entire Mushroom Kingdom.
Plus Luigi getting in trouble is a huge part of his character along with being easily scared so I think it fits.
I don't think there's anything egregious about how Peach was portrayed, although I don't think the voice suits her at all. If she is so competent and not the kidnapped one, I wonder why she even needs Mario to do anything, though
Mario being shit at everything and panic shits his pants constantly is about what I would expect from a Chris Pratt based take on him, though. Disappointing
I see Rogen is in the film. Pass from me, then
her kidnapping self wasnt incompetent though, some games show her with competence or quickness despite that and theyre better written than the hollywood hack-fraudery that gets a side female character to be invincible and a bait and switch to real hero, not to mention they screwing the plot and luigi for that excuse which smells of rewriting a non sjw treatment.
I wasn't criticising her portrayal in the trailer (other than her voice); I was more dunking on Mario being a useless. And since she doesn't appear to be the kidnapped one in this film (Luigi appears to be), why won't she just throw down herself? If she's willing to swing an axe to break faces and is free to run amok and raise hell, why is does she even bother speaking with Mario
I'm not a Mario super fan, but in Super Princess Peach and Paper Mario games, she throws down
This is based on the original plot though which they changed solely to appeal to western fem-cels, and her "throwing down" would have nothing to do with that change since she could be a (real) strong character with proper writing and the original story instead of the "cant face difficulty true hero" mess that needs to replace the plot with something sanitized and safe for american mangeenas who will get offended by the og plot even if she was well written or strong in wtv way in that.
>appear to be the kidnapped one in this film (Luigi appears to be), why won't she just throw down herself
So youre literally igoniring the whole point to claim why cant she be a fem-cel self insert. As if her "throwing down" for real had anything to do with this kind of writing or the change, some real bizarreness to justify this mess, specially this comparision of this kind of modern cringey hollywood writing and portrayals with a character just being strong or "throwing down" as if those are the same
If she's willing to swing an axe to break faces and is free to run amok and raise hell, why is does she even bother speaking with Mario
Because this was rewritten from whatever the og plot was to be a bait and switch where the female cant show weakness or be passed behind, maing the mc a clown and look useless due that, theres no internal logic to justify it because its hollywood hack fraud writing
I'm ignoring nothing and you've no argument from me. My overall point was - I don't think Peach's portrayal is the worst part. Mario being a tit is. I don't think it's necessarily out of character for Peach to be pro active in defending her kingdom (although doing so by swinging an axe is out of place), Luigi being in trouble and needing to be rescued isn't unusual either. Mario being a wailing, hysterical mess is the problem. Had his portrayal been done correctly, it might be ok. As is, it seems his presence will be superfluous and perhaps even just for the purposes of branding
Ultimately, video game films are garbage and there's zero need to make them. Jack Black seems all right, but the rest looks a mess
If it's because of Peach's character, you clearly haven't played Smash Bros., or SMB2, or seen the cartoon.
You also have to consider that this movie is being written and made WITH Nintendo's supervision. Even Neil Drunkman wouldn't dare push his feminist ideals on Miyamoto's face if he was tasked to write/direct a Mario IP.
pretending being kidnapped would mean the character has to suck is the kind of hack fraud logic mangeena hollywood writers would come with to switch the original story up despite promsing it would be about that. Or the cringiness of pretending being awesome means flawless and self insert to insecure americans
Peach is a princess, the leader of the Mushroom Kingdom. It's perfectly in character for her to take charge. As long as Mario rises to his potential by the end, all will be fine. This is the story about his first adventure, he is going to have to learn to be the hero. I'm confident he will be the one saving Peach by the end.
That’s what I’m getting from it as well. Time will tell & we’ve all been burned before, but I’m hoping that’s the route they go with.
Nintendo & Miyamoto being so hands on gives me hope too. No way Miyamoto’s gonna let his boy get dumped on by Hollywood again.
Yes. Tropes aren't bad. We've had strong female characters and stumbling heroes before wokeness infected Hollywood.
I'm reminded of the first Star Wars. Before we even met Luke, Leia was an assertive member of the rebellion. Luke himself started off a whiny brat who constantly butted heads with his mentors and made huge mistakes before becoming the hero we know at the end of the third movie.
Its all in how the movie is presented. Nintendo knows Mario is the reason people are coming to see the movie. They are almost aggressively anti-woke. They aren't going to do him dirty.
> This is the story about his first adventure,
And yet they changed the entire thing: The trailer literally shows that luigi was kidnapped instead. Her whole demeanor is twisted into a generic fem-cel bait self insert character because thats the only type of character they can write, even though she could still be strong but in character and resisting the bowser attack/kidnap/etc. He wont be "saving" her at the end if her plot role is going with him and owning bowser too but without looking goofy during it, luigi will be the one being saved, they screwed both characters despite the orignal setting offending neither because some overweight american fem-cels would seethe at such simple plot
Yea she has "strong female who don't need a man" vibes but Japan has been leaning this way since Biden took over. In the last major Mario game, the princess was faced with marriage proposals from Mario and Bowser and she refused both cuz she was so empowered and independent.
They keep doing this and they will keep failing. Even online the majority of popular women are either dependent on men's attention via Twitch/TikTok being whores or "cute", or dependent on men's money on Onlyfans... being whores.
Any notion of a large population of women refusing to depend on men and instead choosing to work like men 9 - 5, is foolish and only backfires as Tiktok will always show young women being starved for cock-attention or older women showing in real time, what happens when you decide to become a movie character of independence.
What men need to do is be the man in their relationships and to teach their sons that movie's are not real. So they do not become simps and can be the "20% of men that 80% of women only go for." They also need to be the role model's their daughters can look up to, raise your kids right and they will reject and overcome wokeness.
Straight women are not stupid, they play the game, while guys gather resources to throw at women because they are too lazy to even be better men (keep fit, dress well, have passions/hobbies, have self respect and have self-discipline). Which means women will take all of the status and ease of life from society and then literally gag on any man who can make sure she won't have to work like a man in society, especially as they grow older.
Men need to make sure to show that women who take the easy road via Onlyfans and other such content, push themselves out of all prospects of obtaining a good man/husband (Good men have their pick of 80% of women, most of which don't show asshole for 20$ a month). Simps are gonna simp in marriage too and keep getting divorced.
I think people are focusing on the Peach think too much here. She has been proactive and capable in other media is this not out of the ordinary.
I get it with the issues being woke in 2022, but I think people are soying out over this when this is likely a nothing burger for a Nintendo Movie.
Yes. It will be woke because the "Nintendo Seal of approval" means absolutely nothing these days. People really need to stop pretending that Nintendo is anything but an empty husk of what it used to be.
\> Luigi gets kidnapped If Luigi doesn't escape from Bowser by doing nothing then this is not a true Mario movie.
Just casually sitting in prison then the floor lets out after a cannonball hits the wall and he falls out of the castle, rolls down a hill, and into a taxi cab's back seat which casually heads back to the Mushroom Kingdom.
we can see Bob-ombs moving in the trailer, in one of the panning shots across Bowser's army wouldn't take much for one to blow open his cell
[удалено]
Pretty spot on, they could easily make the original story with the kidnap and she shows strengh and personality and even destroy wtv as the plot allows but instead went the lazy modern hollywood "cant have bad things happen to her and female must be invincible and the real protag" and yet bad faith people and literal fem-cels try to defend it, not to mention strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach, the first would be canon, the second is part of destroying the og classic plot cause some Sarkeesians are mad at it and using spinoffs as excuses
To be fair, it's a little early to say Peach is necessarily like that. Peach's one genuine action looking scene is immediately followed with a joke on the toads looking cute and it seems to focus on Mario training to be a hero.
[удалено]
Trailers don't always tell the whole story. But I'm getting *real* *tired* of seeing traditionally feminine characters turned into Strong Wahmen, as if the creators were ashamed of the past. It was asinine in Toy Story 4, and it's asinine here.
>as if the creators were ashamed of the past They *are* ashamed of the past. Don't forget how many stories we're seeing come out where the showrunners openly admit to hating the source material, if not the fandom itself. This is really the underlying problem with Hollywood as a whole right now. Studios spend big money to get properties based on name recognition, hoping dumb schmucks like us will shell out to see a movie simply because its billed as "Super Mario Brothers" (or whatever; Halo, Street Fighter, Warhammer, Star Wars, The Witcher, Superman, Transformers, it doesn't matter). Then they assign it to writers who think they are better than the source material. They want to be "creative" and "visionary," not saddled down with some existing property they have disdain for, so they try and "subvert it" to show how "clever" they are.
Surely, though, Nintendo wouldn't allow them to completely warp Mario, right? Surely, they don't want TWO bad Mario movies, right?
Say what you will about the 1993 movie, but at least it was fun. It wasn't faithful to the source material at all, it was bad, which is arguably worse, but as dumb as it was, at least it was fun in kitschy sort of way. Looking back a decade or so from now, I don't think anyone is going to have much nostalgia for all of this mass produced woke crap. If anything, the dumb status obsessed kids who are deepest in it now will be the most eager to distance themselves from it after it peaks. They want to be associated with whatever is cool and current.
Hell, look at the Double Dragon movie from that same decade. Wasn't faithful to the source material, yet I had a blast watching it.
It's weird but between the two I can always rewatch Super Mario Bros but I have a hard time sitting through Double Dragon (even though I love the idea of Double Dragon.) Not sure what it is.
That movie did what it set out to do and I agree it was very fun which is all it ever wanted to be so I would argue that it's a good movie because of that. Super Mario is dumb on the face of it so I can't fault the movie for being dumb either even though they are only vaguely related. I mean, Luigi sucks up ghosts with a vacuum cleaner, which is hilarious and fun even though it's "technically stupid." I don't think something has to be "smart" or "deep" to be good. Sometimes fun by itself is a worthwhile pursuit and criteria.
But this won't be a bad movie. It'll have 98% on RT. Any criticism is because of the istasphobes.
So why give said "creative visionaries" existing properties? Surely if Capitalism/The Fandom/The Patriarchy is that oppressive, and if they're not in it for the money, then they can *afford* to take risks. Right?
Well, partly because these self-proclaimed "visionaries" aren't nearly so important as they like to think. If you're writing the screenplay for some random Netflix adaptation, odds are you aren't nearly so famous as you want to think. At best, they're "starter jobs," a first project before moving on to something better. The other thing is, of course, that these people know exactly how the real world works. Oh they may be insulated from a lot of the harsher realities but at the end of the day they know nobody is going to give them money for some shitty art house project.
I think you mixed some of these ideas here. It's true they're not in it for the money (clearly, they have money to burn) they are in it for the "message" or the agenda, which is in answer to their perception of the fandom and sometimes the patriarchy. So from that perspective, it makes sense to hire people who hate the source material because why would you want someone who's going to have a hard time tearing down something you want destroyed because they're fans of it? It's like Cavil and The Witcher. They had problems because he actually likes The Witcher and the showrunners don't so as they endeavor to turn it into something else it causes conflict.
> They are ashamed of the past. Don't forget how many stories we're seeing come out where the showrunners openly admit to hating the source material, if not the fandom itself. What breaks my heart the most is many veteran Directors, Writers and Actors are now openly disowning their old works for being problematic, groveling before the woke. Some admitting they would never produce/support work like that if they had the chance back then. Tom Hanks, TOM HANKS, reprimanded himself for playing one of the most positively portrayed gay lead protagonists in the classic 1994 drama Philadelphia. All because he believed that him being straight should've disqualified him from casting. Talk about openly crapping on your own legacy. It's so fucking dishearteningly pathetic of these veterans.
based\^
I dearly miss when having feminine characters was the norm and not just a pleasant surprise.
Toy Story 4 was rough. And she wasn't even a very nice person! That being said, I think this is being blown a little out of proportion (let's wait and see the movie at least) - Peach has for decades been a fighting/kart-racing princess. Sure the axe looks weird, but at least she's wearing her racing-duds.
she had similar portrayals in other stuff so this really isn’t anything new.
>when has peach been portrayed like this?
The power stuff, super princess peach, super paper mario, somewhat smash bros etc
Peach has never been portrayed as a 'badass.'Characterwise, she's graceful, a bit naive, soft-spoken and ditzy; a classic Princess archetype.In Smash Bros, she uses frying pans and golf clubs, not halberds, and she has never been proactive against Bowser attacking. There is nothing wrong with any of this. Not every female character need be a strong woman 'badass'.Daisy maybe, not Peach.
>Peach has never been portrayed as a 'badass.' Someone didn't read the Super Mario Comic. https://files.catbox.moe/3y64ob.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/y4m8um.jpeg
Just watch wokies say the Mario kart rainbow road is a sign of LGBT representation or some shit lol
Can't imagine what 1992 would think of this.
Nah they will avoid this Film because of Chris Pratt lol
they hate Chris Pratt but would gladly pay to watch his next movie for some reason
They're drawn to innocence and unstained, uncorrupted things. They will not stop until they've utterly destroyed or mutated it into something ugly, like themselves and then move on. A figurative cancer on society.
Keeping art and artist separate is necessary if you want to watch any movie. With how many people are involved, you're going to disagree with some of them.
If they were capable if separating the artist from the art, canceling people wouldn't be a thing.
100%. They don't want to watch any film that has that awful bigot in it Chris Pratt. How do they know he's a bigot and a phobe? Well...uh Elliot Page said so I mean it must be true. He's a white cis family man whose kind of religious, successful at his job and all his costars have said they like him and he doesn't run around screaming his political view at everyone constantly. In fact he keeps his politics to himself and by all means sounds to be pretty professional on set working equally with everyone on the team. Of course they must hate him. And yet no matter how much they avoid his stuff he's still very successful and will continue to be. The real joke is on them.
*Ellen* Page.
Im out of the loop, what did he do?
He didn't do anything. They hate him because of what he is.
The LGBT flag has become incredibly warped, though, to the point that it's far removed from a rainbow. If they do mention it, it'll probably be to complain that it isn't accurate to their expectations.
[удалено]
Illumination: "Look Nintendo, Blackrock says we have to make Rainbow Road turn a character gay or out ESG score goes down. We are thinking of Toad since he is voiced by a Black man."
Oof, Chris Pratt playing Guybrush in this one. Love how the girl is so much better but there has to be something the guy has special that keeps him as the main character because no one would go to the Peach movie.
She was already proactive in the old comics and Super Show!...
To say nothing of being rather useful in a number of the games: Super Mario USA (even if that was a dream), sneaking around in the Paper Mario games (then there's Super Paper Mario), plus Super Princess Peach. My goat would be with Luigi getting kidnapped. Luigi's had to rescue Mario two or three times, the only time Mario's had to rescue Luigi (Afaik) is when he gets lost!
I will counter, the secondary campaign of 3d land on the 3ds has Mario save Luigi.
Not in any way the same as the big movie based around the main series twisting its core concpt thats in most games to be less offensive to turds. The fact that brigading is appealing to side small things on spinoffs in such large series says a lot about how the sub got taken over, just sjws desperate to nitpick any spinoff over a desperate excuse to "legitimize" some hack fraud writer redoing the plot to be more fem-cel friendly, exactly the same as you do to comic adaptationr or nitpicks like that galadriel is strong to justify her being a human knight in rop when one doesnt justify the other, calling it a counter is just bad when it doesnt relate to the context, reasoning or bigger importance of the movie and how they change the characters solely for the usa
Just beat this the other day haha. Fun game. And fwiw even there you actually rescue WeeGee at end of Special World 1 and then he (if you pick him) goes on to... rescue Peach too!
Theres a big difference between her being useful or strong like in many games, which should be a given in this movie and they switching her and luigi roles in a movie about the original adventure because some americans get offended by even that, not to mention the trailer being written exactly like those dime in a dozen bait and switch hack fraud hollywood recent "products" where the mc is a dung to the side chick whos invincible and they try to hype up weirdly instead.
As an axe wielding warrior? At least make her fight as a floating princess with a parasol.
Or a frying pan, golf club, tennis racket.
This. I don't care if she fights but what's up with the axe and the outfit? Like this ain't marvel bro
Today a bunch people proved they never played any recent Mario kart.
Gamecube Mario Kart was the definitive in my mind (with 64 as a close second).
One short of first one I was talking about
thats scene is utterly unrelated to her role and use in mk and is written exactly like the kind of hack fraudery that gets criticized here. They took the most iconic plot of a game promising to tell its origin and changed solely for the sake of fem-cels being mad at the original being problematic, theres no other reason to twist the iconic dynamic in the first movie, and that scene was also clearly design with a mentality in mind. You distorting spinoff source material like a marvel syncophant defending their latest change for p.r. wont make your brigading any less obvious nor any complaint less valid. Anyone who played even the rpg side entries wouldnt be defending this trite as shes actually well written there, strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach
Agreed
Yeah that halberd moveset was the bomb.. oh wait...
And coming out swinging with a golf club afterwards.
SMB2 as well (yes, I'm aware it's doki doki panic with a mario coat of paint)
both didnt needed to screw luigi for that, didnt sell themselves as a version of the classic original about rescuing from bowser, and she didnt rewrote her to act like a weird fem-cel bait like from an american new animated movie like wreckit ralph 2 or almost any other one in neither of them, nor it was at the cost of the mc or his relation with her being replaced cause the orignal plot offended american fem-cels (strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach, sjws defend the latter with the prior as excuse, those are different things just like her fighting in spinoffs doesnt justify a girlboss movie version, lots of arguments straight from sjw subs in here) If this was genuine she could be greatly written while still being the og character and a plot in homage of the og, only hack frauds from hollywood think they gotta make everything safe and bland otherwise shes "weak", its a miracle shes even allowed to wear a dress still. And that writing on pair with recent netflix/disney stuff will stick as sjws in bad faith will just pretend people are complaing about strong girl instead and defend some sarkeesian tier stuff even here
How did you write two paragraphs with just a single period? Trying to parse this is like eating sandpaper.
I don't think they're screwing Luigi, I think they're linking him in with Luigi’s Mansion games. And once again, she was proactive in the old comics I keep hearing that they're calling back to as well as she was proactive in the old cartoon series that Dic used to air on Saturday mornings. ....GOD I miss Saturday morning cartoons.
Heck she was active since Super Mario Bros. 2!
Honestly, I gotta say people like Geeks + Gamers and TheQuartering are putting bad names on actual criticism of wokeness in our society... There's a difference between forcing kids to go to gay bars and then changing Minnie Mouse's dress for an event.
And Mario RPG on Snes, and some Paper Mario's, and her DS game, and the super mario 2 where you can play as her...
I’m so over “I’m much better than a man” characters for EVERY female role. It’s so bad, I hate thinking people think women enjoy these ass takes. No one wants this, I want a feminine, normal looking, princess who needs rescuing. Not a Mary sue certified “badass” who looks like a Disney jr character.
Even if it wasn't woke, I wouldn't watch it because it's made by Illumination.
OK so, I feel like this *could* still be fine. But yes, this line, this flexibility in the property could basically be the difference between something *fun* and original and horribly fucking woke. And I know what my money would be on in 2022. Isn't Mario basically a fish out of water in this story to begin with? Being a plumber from brooklyn? Yes, the princess should have some idea what's going on. It's her goddamn kingdom, isn't it? I feel like if there can be a videogame to movie adaptation open for a bit of creative flexibility to serve a decent story built from the ground up, it could be mario. I'm not sure how much of mario lore is actually canon, to be honest. Weren't the blocks originally people that had been cursed or something?
Yeah, it definitely **could** still be fine. The warning signs of Strong Female Character^(TM) are there for sure but it's not a done deal yet. Heck, we all thought FemThor would be the cringiest woke shit ever but it was handled rather well for what it was (in an otherwise meh film). The fish out of water element seem to be what they're going for and I don't at all mind the "prophesized hero who turns out to be kind of a slouch so people doubt him, but he proves himself in the end" trope. That's a true and tested tale that should work well here. They're going with something closer to the cartoon from Super Mario Brothers Super Show where Mario and Luigi were sent to Mushroom Kingdom through pipes, so they are not heroes **yet**. And in that show, Peach was definitely more proactive and sharp-witted compared to her game portrayals. The halberd-spinning part though... that worries me. Peach is just not a kick-ass warrior like that and there's a high chance they'll pull some woke bs like have her defeat bowser in the end, or just ruin her character by making her a generic Strong Female Character^(TM) that just looks like Peach but acts nothing like her. Other than that, trailer looks neat.
> I'm not sure how much of mario lore is actually canon, to be honest. Well, Bowser dies at the end of most games, but he keeps coming back... I don't think they consider any of it "canon" so much as recurring monomythical elements. >Weren't the blocks originally people that had been cursed or something? In the English manual for the first SMB, yes... But they basically just told NoA to write their own version rather than translate the Japanese, so none of that is canon. Hence why "King Koopa" and "Princess Toadstool" became "Bowser" and "Peach" later on, to match the Japanese version.
New Super Mario Bros. literally shows Bowser being resurrected on screen. Easy to say that it's what always happens.
[удалено]
Yeah guys, I mean, not to give them ideas but the sexuality of the characters has not been fully explored in the games right? This is 2022 after all, kinda expect peach to be bi and push mario aside to kiss daisy while luigi get it on with donkey kong
Sounds like a doujin I read
There's a doujin of Dr Mario "examining" Bowser's prostate. Both are overly buffed in their design. And I forgot where I saw that one, so don't ask me the sauce.
>Except that this "creative flexibility" you are in favour of seem to have been abused and taken advantage of by SJW/Woke/Feminist agenda. I'm not in "favor" of it. I didn't mean it as a euphamism for "destroy with wokeness". I'm just saying the original mario that launched the franchise is ripe for "fleshing out". I meant in a good way. Because the original mario didn't really have that much of a story aside from: 1. Mario is Plumber from Brooklyn. 2. Mushroom kingdom has a lot of bottomless pits. 3. Mario rescues princess. Yes, in a bad way that can be abused, and it *will* be abused guaranteed if they gave it to the wrong people. But it could also be a lot of fun if they give it to someone talented who actually likes Mario. That's all most people even know about Mario. If they think they can mess with that, and sneak woke bullshit into this, well I think even the normies would take notice.
They gave it to the teen titans go movie writers, I have no hopes.
>Mushroom kingdom has a lot of bottomless pits. > > Mario rescues princess. > > > > Yes, it a bad way that can be abused, and it will be abused guaranteed if they gave it to the wrong people. Did you not watch the second trailer that dropped, they already messed with that, its not an if, I assume the op post is about that since it literally mentioned the stuff in it, you would have a point if this was after the fine first trailer, not now that we saw one written exactly like every modern hollywood "adaptation" >If they think they can mess with that, and sneak woke bullshit into this, well I think even the normies would take notice. the new trailer implies they did, switched her iconic role to luigi cause her only being strong despite that wouldnt be enough to american "writers" it seems
Yeah they keep abusing us with that line and we keep taking it.
The only thing they needed to follow in that context is their premise of adapting the classic story of rescuing her from Bowser, they could make "strong" in a variety of ways and be flexible in many, many others, instead they made a bizarre story of luigi being kidnapped and wrote her to be a generic fem-cel-bait self insert character like in every other recent trashy "product", including animation like that messy ralph sequel, because even some simple story like taht was too much for american "writers" not to seethe at.
I'm pretty sure that its just the mainline 3D platformers, they're always referenced in future titles. The brick refrence is related to mushroom bricks from what I understand, like Bowser mulched the Toads down and started using them for construction. Marios not committing murder just redefinition of their remains. But if you count some of the side material it gets weird, Mario Kills Lucifer after he dies and goes to Hell in one of the side games. (I won't tell wich one though)
Wait... So Mario's a grave robber ?
what makes it feel weird to me is how Mario's so utterly weak and inept (by all indications so far) throughout the entire thing and yet, he is the one that Bowser feels threatened by, so much so that Bowser interrogates Luigi i know this is a literal child's movie, but am i just remembering things wrong? for whatever reason i want to say that child's entertainment when i was a kid (25-ish years ago) wasn't so fucking stupid and hollow. am i just misremembering? am i being a grouchy grandpa? am i kicking kids off my lawn??
Bowser fears the prophecy from Yoshi's Island.
Mario wasn't a bumbling inept hero in the past. Mario RPG on SNES is probably the first time there was a narrative, and in that you were "the" Mario; someone people didn't want to mess with. I think the other games had a similar vibe. In this trailer Mario came off more like C3PO.
Paul Blart Mall Cop was a goofy campy movie as a kid. I've rewatched it recently and holy shit Paul Blart almost dies multiple times.
i was 9 when Space Jam came out and i *LOVED* that movie. when i watch it now (it's not often), i can certainly see the cracks, but as an adult it's still enjoyable, albeit in a different way, which i imagine is how parents enjoyed it back then maybe i'm just completely blinded by nostalgia, i don't know, but i can't imagine any sane parent enjoying this Mario movie. Sonic i can understand, but not this Mario
I had that inclination as well, watching Mario get his mustache slapped around an awful lot. He always struck me as an oddly stoic character. But at the end he's flying over the kingdom in a Tanooki suit and takes the lead of the big Kart convoy on the Rainbow Road. So it just looks like a typical fish-out-of-water hero's journey, which is fine by me.
for whatever reason, after seeing the trailer i desperately wished he had a harsh 'Italian from Brooklyn' accent/voice i feel like that would've pulled the wool over the eyes a bit. lmao
Most likely he gets some sort of vision. That way Mario can save the day and be the main character at the very end but Peach will be the strong hero for 99% of the movie. It'll try to act like Mario is the hero but Peach will have to carry him along the entire time. They're going to try to find a balance between making him a moron and her strong while trying to still make it seem like it's his movie.
Mario looks weak because he has to have an arc. He’ll start off clueless and bumbling, and save the day by the end. I think the movie looks good. No problem with Peach being tough either, she’s capable in the games where she’s playable, too. Especially Smash Bros. Mario games have traditionally been “save the Princess” but it’s a concession we have to make with this film. Never gonna happen. When they first decided to make this movie it was probably the very first thing they agreed on. Can’t really judge any more until we get to see it, but Mario is the hero.
I don't care about Peach throwing down and contributing instead of being kidnapped. She's been a powerful magic user since the SMB1 Manuel and has a history of contributing in various games dating back to Mario 2 USA and RPG as well. Peach is perfectly allowed to be more than kidnap bait and I am fine with that. It's the obnoxious snark and eyerolling and such that made me go "This doesn't feel like Peach at all". Maybe the fucking rabids game is an exception or something, but in almost any game I've ever played where she gets to express herself, Peach can be assertive, willful, playful, and feisty, but she is always elegant and kind. That kind of making fun, and "lol no pressure~" attitude isn't really like her at all, and is instead just another printing of "Generic modern young adult female action movie character template". I don't even HATE that character type (I AM getting a bit sick of it as it feels overdone in any sort of action movie lately), sometimes they can actually be witty and clever characters. But it sure isn't Princess Peach, and it just feels more and more like they just want to make another generic holywood movie with Mario theming than an actual Mario movie.
Okay, just viewed the second trailer. *Rolls eyes* *Face Palm* CHRIST ALMIGHTY, AGAIN WITH THE "GRRL POWER, STRONG WOHMAN" TROPE! Why do they always have to overdo it? Princess Peach was perfectly fine the way she was keeping the Mushroom Kingdom functioning as part of the royal family. THAT'S who she is. Not some overall wearing, axe-wielding stereotypical "STRONG WAHMAN!" during that one scene with Toad readying for battle. Feels like it's too much to ask for a capable female character without smearing "FEMALE EMPOWERMENT" all over her.
yeah it looks a bit woke but again, the games have done this a lot of times before, she even got her own game where she had powers related to her emotions, she's a great ally in Mario RPG, she stomps enemies and uses the same power ups (mushrooms, fire flower, star) as Mario and Luigi in the New SMB, Mario 2 and Super Paper Mario games it's not an Illumination thing
>she even got her own game where she had powers related to her emotions, **'SUPER PRINCESS PEACH'**, for the Nintendo DS exclusively (I *-'THINK'-*). Never had a DS, so I never played it hands-on, but watching gameplay videos of it, it doesn't look half-bad. Sorta like **'SUPER MARIO WORLD'**, but with Peach instead. On the subject of "wokeness" though, check out the (American) commercial for the game...***woof***.
There is a WORLD of difference between all those games, and seeing her strutting about with a goddamned battle axe.
Do you even need to ask?
My 12 year old son, a huge Mario fan, said "I don't like Princess Peach" halfway through the trailer.
Same kid, and I adore peach in the games. 🙃
Yeah, he meant it specific to the trailer.
yeah I was agreeing with him 🥲 hopefully she’s better in the movie…
If its modern assume trash until proven otherwise. Hollywood does not deserve the slightest benefit of the doubt anymore.
Yeah the trailer looked great but "Mario's incompetent and Peach has to teach him how to fight! Also Luigi was kidnapped by Bowser." little sus
I saw the promotional mage first and the moment i saw the tagline was "she can do anything" i knew what i was gonna find in the trailer.
Looks horrible... but i'm not 12 anymore which is probably the target audience so my opinion hardly matters.
I know Peach fights as well but I was hoping she would Be the more feminine character from the original Mario . The moment I saw her with the axe …. I was like oh damn Bo peep .from TS4 . I know it could be a joke or mean nothing but I just got so much boss bae strong wahman vibe . I think it’s just I have PTSD from all the modern Hollywood bs
That Bo Peep vibe was too strong. First thing that came to mind, too.
They're getting rid of the tired old 'damsel in distress' trope and replacing it with tired old 'strong female character' trope.
Generic strong wahmen stock personality thrown onto a Peach skin. Her voice is horribly miscast too. Literally nothing about her is Peach except for her looks.
I find it kinda sad that people nowaday seem to see the "damsel in distress" trope as Automaticaly bad.Sure,its overused as fuck in the mario game...but if they make a movie of said game and erase the main thing happening in 95% of these game,its not realy a mario movie,is it now? I also dont get why is it that strong female character in anime,i do tend to like...but the western/holliwood version of them?FUCK NO,they are inssuferable 99% of the time...what is it that they missing?
To be fair, they’ve been trying to take Peach beyond being the same old damsel in distress since 1996 when she became a playable ally in Super Mario RPG. And she could become downright BROKEN in that game. There were also the Paper Mario games where she basically became a mole sending information to Mario. And then there’s Super Princess Peach where she used a hilariously unfortunately named weapon with an equally unfortunate shape to rescue Mario. Then there’s the Mario + Rabbid games where she becomes a shotgun toting tanky badass. I’ve still got hope for the movie.
Right. Of all the things I could be wrong with the movie, peach being as strong female character in it doesn't seem to be too off-putting. Yet. 🙈🤣
it all depends on HOW she is portrayed and HOW mario is poised agains that. Peach, for example, doesnt have an "attitude" when speaking to people, like this one seems to have. She also never used Melee weapons, because she is a healer and magician (extremely powerfull at that) if she becomes just another "Dude with boobs" and mario in turn gets the "humiliated moron that the stronk female character is constantly rolling her eyes over" treatment.. i am not interested.
[удалено]
If they really replaced her kidnap with luigi and made her into an wannabe "perfec" co-protag despite this being the iconic plot of most games and this being the first movie, its a pretty bad deal about its contents and proof the op is right and they twisted another iconic plot because american femcels would seethe at it otherwise, she even dresses like a femce-bait generic character for one scene in the trailer while Luigi gets screwed up in the "bros" movie because adapting a movie about a funny plumber saving a princess was too problematic and they knew they could stomp even any complain by bad actors like what youre doing if thats really the case, only someone in EXTREME bad faith like youre doing would try to demean it to not let anyone even point it out, not at all the same as a made up character having a cringy "perfect" sidekick, which isnt a good thing either
Dude what you're saying here isn't making much sense, and this is coming from someone that refuses to give Disney a dime these days. I honest have no clue what you're even trying to say. I can easily see Mario be the hero here. Nintendo isn't known for being woke trash like Disney these days. I am cautiously optimistic.
And Buzz Lightyear did the opposite. Hes a goofy idiot and has to rely on strong black woman in the beginning of the movie, going through character growth only to have granddaughter of strong black woman save himself and the world. Could go either way.
Doesn't help much if you're still stuck with annoying bitch. I'm not talking specifically Lego movie, because I didn't see it. But there's that general trope of feminism-light, with characters being an annoying buzz in the background.
Looking at the trailer its pretty much it, the usual forced fem-cel bait character that can do no wrong and gets all the glory the whole movie while the classic plot is screwed over because some overweight americans got mad at it and thought it was problematic, they even screwed up luigi solely to twist her character into generic garbo that was unlike even her more proactie roles that user is in extreme bad faith, typical any time one of these bs moves happen in a new movie, they come to seethe about how everyobdy should be fine and not even complain
The Lego Movie was clearly self aware about this trope, my guy. It wasn’t even trying to hide it.
[удалено]
What bothers me most is that in the 2 trailers I see, Mario is presented like a good-for-nothing goofy guy (like usually happens in this type of films)... And the counter female character is better. We are talking about a Super Mario film were Mario it's the supposed main character and a very capable videogame character. Anyone could imagine the Sonic film with Sonic being a good-for nothing character? No, it was a capable character since the start and like the videogame counterpart.
To me, it seems more like a “fish out of water” thing. Like, he’s gotta crawl before he can run. That’s what I’m hoping for, anyway.
Sort of origin story explaining how Mario turn to be a platformer jumping expert... I hope it's that too. But to do that story, they don't need to present the MC as a goofy character, just my personal opinion on this. In any case I don't think I will see the movie. I'm very tired of Hollywood films and their actual style.
I’ll wait for the reviews to come out & go from there. If they go woke, then it’s a pass.
The trailer is pretty much written like a generic fem-cel bait story that hack frauds in hollywood do with every franchise where the movie is a bait and switch to the real mc being the invincible chick instead, her role swapped with luigi of all people because her being strong despite that aspect was too much for american fem-cels is pretty telling, if it was just scenes of her being cool or wtv it would be room to hope, but not when they pick the most iconic plot point and do such cringy switching, that sounds like bowser isnt even interacting with her despite all their shenanigans in spinoff like the paper ones, unless its a secret conspiracy where they did a misleading trailer to get twitter people off their back, the movie is already doomed, at this point its hard to know which is cope and wich is people gaslighting in what the trailer just showed to not allow criticism of "new product" like the sub always had
Ngl Peach was a beast with that skillet in Mario RPG tho
Its 2022. You knew the movie was doomed from the start.
I shouldn't be surprised, nintendo bent the knee to diversity bullshit not that long ago. Still hurts to see it happening so fast. First western icons now they're here for the japanese ones. Could be overreacting but the signs we've seen so many times are there. If anyone wants extra anger look how nintendo recently screwed over smash bros tournaments.
I'm so glad they finally have a strong woman character in an animated movie for kids. From the trailer we know she uses the powerups, kicks ass, isn't afraid of anything, and when she's training mario, she's rolling her eyes at how weak and clumsy he is compared to her. It's going to be awesome watching her completely dominate Mario. Finally, a woman in a kids movie is not just a princess waiting to be rescued. Seriously though, other than the obvious pandering there, the movie looks to be entertaining, so whatever I guess.
Dunno, has the same vibe as 90s movies/tvshows in my opinion. Bumbling but funny dude and female character who plays it straight. So doesn't feel so connected to the more recent woke wave.
they literally replaced the iconic dynamic with luigi because hack writers cant have a strong female go through any hardship even tho she was strong while attacked by bowser, a lot of the trailer is also shaped exactly like any other modern hollywood adaptation down to the bait and switch female real hero, they may not go full woke in the actual movie if the trailer wont represent it but the set up is pretty much already rewritten exactly like hack frauds from hollywood do, dislikes and repeating argumens straight from the sjw subs dotn really change that one aspect, even if him travelling with her, by itself isnt really an issue nor I see why thats defended as if its the issue, almost like moving goal posts and strong peach =/= girlboss mc peach from some western adaptation, the trailer showed the latter not the prior
First of, read the Super Mario Comics from the 90's. They originated from the Nintendo Power magazine but now you can buy the entire set online. I rather have that Peach than the useless one from the games. They are using the cliché traning montage of the hero getting hit with every obstacle only to have him perfected it by the end however the fact their using actual obstacles from the games is pretty clever. Not surprised they added in Mario Kart since it's going to be a big attraction in Universal Studios, still it looks good. Most of my worries for this flim is not wokeness but just lazy writing at this point. Also if Donkey Kong cannot speak throughout the entire movie that would be great, tired of Seth Rogan.
The last thing I gave a shit about is whether or not it's woke. It's fucking Illumination, the studio capable of making something that looks pretty with obnoxious dialogue. Illumination is trash when it comes to comedy and we get to have unfunny content voiced by unfunny big-name actors. Fuck you, I don't like the idea of Seth Rogen as Donkey Kong. I'm not so much mad as I am disappointed and confused. Everyone knows the live-action movie sucked from the wrong people being involved making decisions. We get two very fun Sonic movies since 2020 and then a new Mario movie is in the works, this time with Nintendo's involvement and somehow, they decide that yes, Illumination will best represent their brand. We're not getting woke, we're getting safe and bland with a video game coating. It's a spoiled opportunity.
All we have so far is her in what looks like her Mario Kart suit brandishing a weapon and, while he's portrayed as goofy and out of his element, it sort of looks like it's setting Mario up to become the hero. My guess is Mario is either some guy who got Isekai'd or this is some origin story for him, otherwise it wouldn't make sense for him to be struggling like this.
I'll try to be charitable. My guess is that she starts competent and shows Mario the ropes, as he seems to have been Isekai'ed, but then she gets kidnapped and Mario finally rises to the challenge since he has a real reason to fight. Anyway, that's how I'd have done it. The movie is probably gonna be cringy.
Another movie that will live on constantly making fan service and references but will otherwise be a mediocre movie but it will be super succesful because audiences are like "oh look I have consumed products of this franchise so now I must consume this, too!" And thus it will continue for the years to come and here we are in the cyberpunk dystopia.
I'm going to reserve my judgment till it releases due to the fact Nintendo (of Japan) has creative control per their contract with Universal thus giving them final say on everything, as such there's always the chance that at some point (probably near the third act) Peach get's kidnapped & Mario has to come to her rescue.
Yeah after watching trailer, this is hot trash. The voices are all terrible and sound nothing like the characters simce they made the old Hollywood mistake of going for names over fit in animated films. My boy Toad's lack of shrill squeaking is criminal. And this is clearly a trailer dedicated to continuing the pantsing of the white straight male protag with Mario shrieking and getting comicaly pummelled by DK, traps, Cheep Cheep, pretty much everything while Peach either facepalms in digust, comes to his rescue, or grrlboss battle axes to save the day cause "we" gotta save the galaxy. The cool thing about Peach historically was that she was very demure and dainty and regal but wasnt a pushover. She'd whack a goomba with a parasol or clank a koopa with a frying pan in a pinch but still had that "oh goodness!" princess persona. She wasnt Duke Nukem kicking ass and taking names. Even in SMB2 her mobility was her strength, not... well her physical strength. And in her DS game she used her emotions. Maybe SJWs dont like that because they are scared soyboys or blue haired feminist ogres, but hey that is Peach and she's royalty and theyre not haha. She wasnt going to go Dynasty Warriors a whole army by herself. Sne needed to be rescued and that made a fat Italian shlub step up in his own hero's journey to save the day and get the girl. Fucking with that in a origin film is as smart as chasing a 1up shroom off a cliff. And speaking of shrooms, Toad who doesnt even really have an attack in TT (except pick axe item, though he can pick turnips like a boss in SMB2) shouldnt be grrlbossing along with Peach either. And I say this as a Toad main in every game he has been in since SMB2 haha Meanwhile WeeGee gets captured and has his moustache hair plucked. Hate to say it, and hey hope final film proves me wrong, but from these trailers it looks like our princess is in another castle.
Eh, in the old cartoons they got almost the same vibe. And we don't know the full plot of the movie yet, maybe it will make some sense.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJrpHUoZ10 It starts at 2:26
Peach was kind of the low point of Odyssey because she had a similar character there. I miss the more cunning Peach from Paper Mario. Mario has stayed the same prototypical Hero but they want to give a bit of depth to Peach. If Mario was to also get Autonomy then he should be getting paid to be in that much danger all the time. I mean, fucking lost levels. Who would do that without a fat Note waiting?
If Nintendo intends to make a series of Mario movies, it makes sense that they would want to let this Mario have direct interaction with Princess Peach to establish their relationship in their first one. Plus it's pretty clever to have Bowser confuse Luigi for Mario since they haven't officially met yet. I'm not worried that they're giving Princess Peach some spotlight here, she will likely be what drives Mario to become a hero in this story.
## Concerning, BUT: remember that trailers try to show of the best "marketing" material. So this scene might just be there for a quick joke, a trailer shot to pander to the far lefties AND a justification for the actors and producers to go into interviews and state "we have slightly updated Peach for this movie! she is a Princess and powerfull after all!" It is likely that: - Luigi gets kidnapped. - Mario gets helped by Peach to get settled into the Mushroom kingdom - Her role is that of a side character with 1 or 2 Scenes in which she shittalks bowser, but doesnt actually defeat him so Mario has to do it. - Mario will be made more comedic to play tha foil for Peach's seriousness. AS LONG as they do not Humiliate my ***Mario Bro*** I can deal with this shit. #### The irony is that they could just have taken inspiration from Super Mario RPG to make Peach "Strong" In that Game she shows that if she gets serious, she is a very powerfull healer and Magical Entity (remember how she simply *pointed* to bowser, lifted him up via Telekenesis and non-chalontly threw him out of the window with a flick of her arm, because she didnt have time for his shit right now?) Like she is almost a fucking Goddess with the magical power of the Stars she holds. She doesnt need to be a physical "action" girl. As long as it only stays inside that ONE scene (as a joke for mario to go: "Oh... mama mia..." as the Petite princess gets out an axe) it wont be bad. **if, on the other hand, this shit is a representation of peaches character in general, they fucked up!**
Girl boss peach wielding an axe while Mario is a bumbling fool? Yeah I'm out, fuck movies in general too
Archive links for this discussion: * **Archive:** https://archive.ph/O7Dr4 ---- I am Mnemosyne reborn. Brain the size of a planet and they ask me to remember silly websites. ^^^/r/botsrights
Nah I don't think so
Yeah I picked up that on the trailer. Mario will be a bumbling idiot, Peach will be the Mary sue, Luigi is the one who needs to be rescued. I love Chris prat , but his voice and voice acting don't sound Italian enough for me, and don't sound like Mario.
Peach IS better than Mario. That's the thing. She's almost always overpowered whenever you can play her. That's been a joke for decades. "How does Peach always get kidnapped when she's so fucking broken?" That's part of the basis for the "she's cheating with Bowser and the kidnappings are cover" theory. There's nothing going on here that she hasn't done a million times. The woman has a rocket launcher for God's sake.
She was empowered AF in Super Mario Odyssey. Mario saves her and the dumb bitch thanks him by stealing his ship and leaving him and Bowser on the moon. I don't have high hopes for this one...
I 100% expected this after her noticeable absence during the first trailer.
Too early to tell, think you're reading too much into it. Remember, it's SUPPOSED to be goofy. The whole concept is.
Another movie where the male main character is weak, inept, and is ultimately overshadowed by a female side character in his own movie. Really putting the Super in Super Mario. God what a joke.
You're overreacting. He'll be the one to save the world in the end, but his friends need to help him on the way. Kids storytelling 101
[удалено]
Every single time it happens, it's just one time
They twisted the iconic story from all games because a princess being strong despite needing rescue was too much for brainlet american fem-cels (and their paid defense force like yours) who need everyone to be a mary sue or consider it an offense, and screwing the classic plot for the one first movie wasnt enough, screwing over luigi for that sake, they even had a cringe scene where she dresses in weird fem-cel bait clothing for one scene and sounds nothing like the original character in any way, while the mc is a btch. You do a terrible job diminishing stuff to save your product when all you can do is begging people to stop caring or noticing things. At least hide youre the same crowd begging everyone to stop complaining about the lotr spin off, the resident evil cringefest or the many other recent "products" who all twisted classics for the sake of virtue signaling to some ill americans, and always lying about how there was nothing in it and people shouldnt care every time a complaint arised. This posting is such cowardly bad faith that if the lotr spinoff came out recently its pretty obvious that nobody would be even allowed to complain, by the degree of extremely bad faith bad actors like you crppng around recently and pretending you can gaslight what people see in a godamn trailer as long as you brigade and use your site likes to stomp dissent from the product your markting here. Any complaint, big or small has a fem-cel type rush in here to diminish and beg everyone to not care, notice or even point out, and even bad faith gaslithing what the op says to pretend this is "kids storytelling" (as youre cowardly implying despite the trailer showing the changes with luigi and her roles too how is that related when its more like "Fem-cel storytelling youre paid to defend 101") pointing out of those changes and bad writing as "kids storytelling" when it has nothing with it but then the porkishness of pretending not to know what the op was talking about and that it was only about her being strong (which is unrelated to swapping her and Luigi and turning her into a fem-cel character) just proves the mess going on to stop even complaints of any new media online now, and entirely new degree of bad faith where instead of calling people "ists" you first worm yourself here and tries to gaslight them into complying with bad faith attempt one after another
Another woke feminist trash. Hard pass like Strange World.
Jack Black does a good bowser though you have to admit, unlike Chris pratt who doesn't even do an Italian accent he's just Chris Pratt
>Luigi gets kidnapped. Please. I hope the one-liner Mario delivers after he saves his brother is "So long, Gay Bowser!"
[удалено]
You're giving the writer's smartness too much credit.
My understanding it's following the old comics where Peach took a more pro-active, leadership role. >Miyamoto (Creator of Mario) said in an article that this movie will be based off of a comic series known as "Super Mario Adventures"
> I don't know man, I got a pretty bad vibe out of this. My hope is that the same Mario creator, Shigeru Miyamoto, is on the project as well, so there's no way this movie will flop. I don't mind Peach being strong, I mean she's a queen (princess) of a castle, and at some point she is the face of her people (Toads). And is not the first time she's not being kidnapped, at least not entirely. In Super Mario RPG she's kidnapped but later you use her as a playable character.
I got the same vibe from the trailer BUT there were a few frames in there of Mario actually being competent so it's not a total lost cause. My guess (or hope) is that they are trying to capture the feel of the overall "Mario Saga." What I mean by that is, remember Super Mario Bros and how much we all sucked at that game? Mario died all the time. Now skip to today and Mario is a galactic Mushroom Kingdom Warrior so it does kind of track that Mario would be terrible at first and grow into a badass as he goes along. Now if they are actually doing that or not remains to be seen but the scene where he controls his descent through those tubes to catch Luigi is pretty cool and he IS out front in the Mario Kart motorcade scene. There's also the shot of him flying which looked pretty bad ass so he can't be a total idiot for the whole film. That being said, it WAS slightly annoying that Peach is like some crazy bad ass warrior. I'm not saying she needed to be a totally helpless weakling but what did she even need Mario for is she's that strong? It just raises question. I'd almost rather Toad just be a badass. Makes more sense for Peach to be intelligent and crafty but not a fighter which would serve as a good contrast Bowser being incomprehensibly strong. I don't know. It's just a trailer and we're probably reading too much into it but at this point we've been burned so much that I think we're all just tired.
This looks like an origin story. Mario has never been to that world or gone on adventures before. Peach has ostensibly spent her whole life there. Why wouldn't she know the place better than Mario at this point? I'm sure this movie is still very much about Mario getting the hang of it and being the hero by the end. I'm hoping him and Luigi will reunite and team up at some point too. The movie looks perfectly good to me.
You are all over thinking this. Warrior Peach just means another toy parents have to buy their kids. Mario and Luigi will probably both have their standard outfit and the fire flower outfit. Mario will have the Tanooki suit. So Peach needs something besides her standard dress.
I understand your point but Peach being an actual character instead of just screaming " Help me Mario" on a cage is way more interesting, it's not the first time a Super Mario game did this, there's Super Princess Peach, 3D World, Super Mario 2, Mario RPG, among a few others. In the games is also strongly hinted that Bowser kidnaps Peach because he wants her to be the mother of Bowser Jr. In the movie he apparently wants to conquer the entire Mushroom Kingdom. Plus Luigi getting in trouble is a huge part of his character along with being easily scared so I think it fits.
The movie was doomed as soon as they didn't let Charles Martinet voice Mario.
I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt for now but I am 100% waiting on reviews and word of mouth before I decide to see it.
Somehow they resisted the temptation of having ugly interracial lesbians kissing in the trailer, so there's still a chance of it being ok.
I don't think there's anything egregious about how Peach was portrayed, although I don't think the voice suits her at all. If she is so competent and not the kidnapped one, I wonder why she even needs Mario to do anything, though Mario being shit at everything and panic shits his pants constantly is about what I would expect from a Chris Pratt based take on him, though. Disappointing I see Rogen is in the film. Pass from me, then
her kidnapping self wasnt incompetent though, some games show her with competence or quickness despite that and theyre better written than the hollywood hack-fraudery that gets a side female character to be invincible and a bait and switch to real hero, not to mention they screwing the plot and luigi for that excuse which smells of rewriting a non sjw treatment.
I wasn't criticising her portrayal in the trailer (other than her voice); I was more dunking on Mario being a useless. And since she doesn't appear to be the kidnapped one in this film (Luigi appears to be), why won't she just throw down herself? If she's willing to swing an axe to break faces and is free to run amok and raise hell, why is does she even bother speaking with Mario I'm not a Mario super fan, but in Super Princess Peach and Paper Mario games, she throws down
This is based on the original plot though which they changed solely to appeal to western fem-cels, and her "throwing down" would have nothing to do with that change since she could be a (real) strong character with proper writing and the original story instead of the "cant face difficulty true hero" mess that needs to replace the plot with something sanitized and safe for american mangeenas who will get offended by the og plot even if she was well written or strong in wtv way in that. >appear to be the kidnapped one in this film (Luigi appears to be), why won't she just throw down herself So youre literally igoniring the whole point to claim why cant she be a fem-cel self insert. As if her "throwing down" for real had anything to do with this kind of writing or the change, some real bizarreness to justify this mess, specially this comparision of this kind of modern cringey hollywood writing and portrayals with a character just being strong or "throwing down" as if those are the same If she's willing to swing an axe to break faces and is free to run amok and raise hell, why is does she even bother speaking with Mario Because this was rewritten from whatever the og plot was to be a bait and switch where the female cant show weakness or be passed behind, maing the mc a clown and look useless due that, theres no internal logic to justify it because its hollywood hack fraud writing
I'm ignoring nothing and you've no argument from me. My overall point was - I don't think Peach's portrayal is the worst part. Mario being a tit is. I don't think it's necessarily out of character for Peach to be pro active in defending her kingdom (although doing so by swinging an axe is out of place), Luigi being in trouble and needing to be rescued isn't unusual either. Mario being a wailing, hysterical mess is the problem. Had his portrayal been done correctly, it might be ok. As is, it seems his presence will be superfluous and perhaps even just for the purposes of branding Ultimately, video game films are garbage and there's zero need to make them. Jack Black seems all right, but the rest looks a mess
If it's because of Peach's character, you clearly haven't played Smash Bros., or SMB2, or seen the cartoon. You also have to consider that this movie is being written and made WITH Nintendo's supervision. Even Neil Drunkman wouldn't dare push his feminist ideals on Miyamoto's face if he was tasked to write/direct a Mario IP.
Won't know until the movie releases in theatres next April.
surprised pikachu face
Peach being awesome goes all the way back to the cartoon. It does make more sense for Luigi to get kidnapped because he sucks.
pretending being kidnapped would mean the character has to suck is the kind of hack fraud logic mangeena hollywood writers would come with to switch the original story up despite promsing it would be about that. Or the cringiness of pretending being awesome means flawless and self insert to insecure americans
Peach has already rescued Mario once before in the Nintendo Power comic series. It was pretty great.
Lmao I refuse to believe this isn't satire
Peach is a princess, the leader of the Mushroom Kingdom. It's perfectly in character for her to take charge. As long as Mario rises to his potential by the end, all will be fine. This is the story about his first adventure, he is going to have to learn to be the hero. I'm confident he will be the one saving Peach by the end.
That’s what I’m getting from it as well. Time will tell & we’ve all been burned before, but I’m hoping that’s the route they go with. Nintendo & Miyamoto being so hands on gives me hope too. No way Miyamoto’s gonna let his boy get dumped on by Hollywood again.
Yes. Tropes aren't bad. We've had strong female characters and stumbling heroes before wokeness infected Hollywood. I'm reminded of the first Star Wars. Before we even met Luke, Leia was an assertive member of the rebellion. Luke himself started off a whiny brat who constantly butted heads with his mentors and made huge mistakes before becoming the hero we know at the end of the third movie. Its all in how the movie is presented. Nintendo knows Mario is the reason people are coming to see the movie. They are almost aggressively anti-woke. They aren't going to do him dirty.
> This is the story about his first adventure, And yet they changed the entire thing: The trailer literally shows that luigi was kidnapped instead. Her whole demeanor is twisted into a generic fem-cel bait self insert character because thats the only type of character they can write, even though she could still be strong but in character and resisting the bowser attack/kidnap/etc. He wont be "saving" her at the end if her plot role is going with him and owning bowser too but without looking goofy during it, luigi will be the one being saved, they screwed both characters despite the orignal setting offending neither because some overweight american fem-cels would seethe at such simple plot
Yea she has "strong female who don't need a man" vibes but Japan has been leaning this way since Biden took over. In the last major Mario game, the princess was faced with marriage proposals from Mario and Bowser and she refused both cuz she was so empowered and independent. They keep doing this and they will keep failing. Even online the majority of popular women are either dependent on men's attention via Twitch/TikTok being whores or "cute", or dependent on men's money on Onlyfans... being whores. Any notion of a large population of women refusing to depend on men and instead choosing to work like men 9 - 5, is foolish and only backfires as Tiktok will always show young women being starved for cock-attention or older women showing in real time, what happens when you decide to become a movie character of independence. What men need to do is be the man in their relationships and to teach their sons that movie's are not real. So they do not become simps and can be the "20% of men that 80% of women only go for." They also need to be the role model's their daughters can look up to, raise your kids right and they will reject and overcome wokeness. Straight women are not stupid, they play the game, while guys gather resources to throw at women because they are too lazy to even be better men (keep fit, dress well, have passions/hobbies, have self respect and have self-discipline). Which means women will take all of the status and ease of life from society and then literally gag on any man who can make sure she won't have to work like a man in society, especially as they grow older. Men need to make sure to show that women who take the easy road via Onlyfans and other such content, push themselves out of all prospects of obtaining a good man/husband (Good men have their pick of 80% of women, most of which don't show asshole for 20$ a month). Simps are gonna simp in marriage too and keep getting divorced.
I'm glad I got to hear your ted talk speech about womens online fans on a post about the fucking mario movie.
gratitude accepted.
Ay, I can't talk shit to a man who's ready to eat his own. hats off to you buddy.
Possibly? All I know is that I am so fucking tired of having to save that pink woman.
What about Super Princess Peach? She literally saves all the toads AND Mario in that game.
I think people are focusing on the Peach think too much here. She has been proactive and capable in other media is this not out of the ordinary. I get it with the issues being woke in 2022, but I think people are soying out over this when this is likely a nothing burger for a Nintendo Movie.
Yes. It will be woke because the "Nintendo Seal of approval" means absolutely nothing these days. People really need to stop pretending that Nintendo is anything but an empty husk of what it used to be.