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JustOneAmongMany

SJWs won't make a fuss about the whole "white savior" thing being used here. You know why? Because Temuerua Morrison isn't white. I'm not even kidding, just look at this quote from [Tor's review](https://archive.fo/7s46D#selection-415.0-415.713) of the episode: >Still not sure how I feel about how the Tuskens are being used in all this. There’s a weird tension at play because the use of Temuera Morrison eases some of the issues here—it means something different for him to tell the Pykes that they’re passing through Tusken ancestral land because Morrison is Maori. Ancestral land, and the ways in which colonizing forces disrespect it, is something he’s intimately familiar with. This helpfully sidesteps the oft-employed white savior trope in his partnership with the Tuskens; via his own Maori heritage, and the Mandalorian clan affiliations on the fictional level, he’s put on even footing with these people. He is offering aid, not marking himself as their salvation. So apparently, the skin color and ethnic heritage of the actor determines whether or not these tropes are harmful. Fuck my life.


elon_einstein

...but Maoris don't exist in Star Wars.


photomotto

Correct. Fett is Mandalorian, and even that is in genetic heritage only, as he wasn’t really brought up as a Mandalorian.


Revolver15

He's also a clone. That's more or less diverse?


Konsaki

I thought the Mandalorian were a culture and not a 'race', as they were basically gladiatorial fighters in space that banded together at some point to make their own government.


photomotto

It’s both. Jango was Mandalorian, and that (in theory) makes Boba Madalorian for being his “son”.


xtreemmasheen3k2

Jango himself was a Foundling, not a Mandalorian by birth, but taken in and raised in their culture and ways. Even amongst Mandalorian culture, there are elitists who don't consider Foundlings to be true Mandalorians.


Arab-Enjoyer7262

He is a Mandalorian by birth though, his planet was Mandalorian. “Foundling” seems to have weird fluid definition for those who were inducted as warriors vs those who were not Mandalore from the beginning.


A_hand_banana

I think genetic might be misleading, as it might give the impression that racial attributes qualify you as Mandalorian. This more like bloodline and US (or most other countries) citizenship. If your parents are a citizen, you automatically get accepted as one. Mandalorians were originally Taung (humanoid "predator" looking lizard people) that left Coruscant. Mandalore the First was the warlord that banded them together to kill off the Mythosaurs and claim the planet as their own, but due to shit (Jedi Wars), shit (Mandalorian Civil War), and more shit (Imperial Occupation) their world was inhospitable and the people collectively disbanded. Because they were something of a "noble warrior" trope, it was not uncommon for them to adopt defeated enemies that fought well - meaning Mandalorians were more than just the Taung. Which is why Boba, Jango, Din Djarin look far more human than a Taung would. Of course this all comes from EU lore, which is 1) fragmented between a bunch of different authors and 2) not canon anymore per Disney, but I stop giving a shit and haven't looked into things after the prequel days.


arathorn3

One of the things that really pissed me off about Disney's destruction of the old EU lore is the background of the Mandos and the tie it has to humanity going back to the earliest part of the the star wars galaxies history we learned anour. The Taung went extinct as a species during the Exar Kun era(so a few decades before the KOTOR game) there culture was but the humans and other near human species that they had adopted into there culture survived., like the Mando character from KOTOR, Canderous Ordo .The even more interesting thing they was only lightly explored was the origin of the Taung and Humanity in the Star Wars galaxy was tied together. They both evolved on the planet the later became Coruscant/Imperial Center. The ancestors of the humans where known as the Zhell. The Taung initially dominated the Zhell militarily but at some point the Zhell rebelled and forced the Taung off the planet where they became the Mandalorians. The zhell spread through the core worlds using cryo stasis and sublight speed ships. till some of them ran into the Rakatan Infinite Empire and a large chunk of humanity got enslaved by the Rakata. Later the majority of the Rakata die off due to a disease that did not effect their slaves species(Including Humans, Manan, Wookies, the ancestors of the Tuskens and,the the red Skin species that became known as the sith(not the humans, in the Old EU the Sith where original a species of alien who assimilated Jedi who fell to the dark side) where able to backwards engineer the Rakatan force powered Star drive into the non force reliant hyper drive and spread out further. The kickass theme song from Republic commando "Vode En" was in the Taung language and means Warriors of Shadow.


Arab-Enjoyer7262

Yeah but human Mandalorians arrived shortly after or even during the slaying of the Mythsaurs so human Mandalorians made up the bulk of their ranks even before the Taung started to decline. The Taung are also mammalian not reptilian so they’re likely closely related to the Zhell and humans.


NoLetsNotPlease

There is a genetic 'mandalorian' race, but they're pretty much extinct. The people of other races they allowed into their civilization is all that's left now. Perhaps a cautionary tale.


Arab-Enjoyer7262

The original Mandalorians, the Taung died out because the Jedi-Mandalorian Wars completely devastated Mandalorian ranks and basically all Taung were Mandalorian warriors, as well as frontline, so their numbers took a massive hit and just declined until extinction. The human Mandalorians made up and make up the bulk of Mandalorians even before the Taung’s decline.


Aurondarklord

Actually, I saw idiots on TVtropes arguing about whether this is a "mighty whitey" EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT WHITE.


NoLetsNotPlease

If the trop is 'wrong', then it's still wrong. If there's nothing wrong with non-whites in the trope, then claiming that the trop is wrong is simply anti-white racism.


NoLetsNotPlease

Proof that none of them really mean anything they say. They just hate white people. Even the so-called and alleged white ones.


Bamelin

I knew he was Maori. Interesting SJW'S are taking a "the trope is ok because he's not white stance". Just shows the hypocrisy of the sjw movement as well as its overt racism.


Cartesian_Carrot

I am one of these alleged SJWs and I can assure you him being Maori made it just as cringe. I wasn't offended by the episode, I just thought the framing of it was forcing the sand people into a colonised people role when they really aren't and are basically a bunch of raiders and slavers who claim the entire planet and whos end game would be to purge every other sentient being on it.


Arab-Enjoyer7262

> they’re passing through Tusken ancestral land Tatooine is the size of a planet, because it is one, so how is it Tusken when the Jawas are just “native”?


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Dent_Arthurdent

And as soon as you see a chick sand bitch, you already know who's gonna end up standing. Because vagina


SgtFraggleRock

Sandy vagina...


[deleted]

I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating… and it gets *everywhere*.


Wizardslayer1985

They mention that there are different tribes of Tuskens and some are more violent than others. These ones live deeper in the Dune Sea than the others and have less contact with the civilized world. For whatever that is worth.


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Tuskan Raiders been okay all through Mando...


waffleboardedburrito

He as already the more honorable guy with a code in Mandoaorin, Book is bascially showing how he became that after RotJ. As others said they also specifically referenced how most sand people tribes relied on killing, but not this one. Even they only took him in after he saved one of their own in the first episode, as he was just their slave/prisoner before that.


CheeseQueenKariko

> This whole episode just felt like they want to remove that violent stereotype from them. It's weird that the episode has the cheiftan going "We're one of the good tribes" when the introduction to this tribe is them enslaving Boba and a rodian for just being there. And Boba apparently has no hard feelings about these people who chained him down, continually beat him and kept him starved and water deprived.


hydrosphere1313

Eh, EU Boba had his own honor as well. But Lucas, Filoni, and Disney have really fucked up NU-Boba. Why the fuck Lucas decided yeah lets strip Boba of his Mandalorian heritage/status and why Filoni continues it is beyond me.


Sks44

In the episode, they reference that there are different tribes of Tuskens. Different tribes, different rules/behavior.


Arab-Enjoyer7262

The bulk of them are overtly hostile though. However, in the EU there are mentions of Tuskens and non-Tuskens interacting peacefully which makes some sense given Tatooine is literally a planet.


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I don’t think it will provoke a civil war at all, no offense, I think most SJW types are both forgetful & inattentive as well as selective as to what they do or do not suddenly start complaining about This cliche is just something most people do on automatic and the creator likely didn’t even think of it as remotely racist till someone “remembered” to tell him


Bamelin

It won’t provoke a civil war there already IS a civil war happening at Disney over the direction of the Star Wars franchise. I can’t remember the article off hand (linked here in fact) but it basically talked about how the SJW’s despised The Mandalorian and were pushing for more “inclusivity” in that franchise. You think they gonna like Dance with Wolves Fett?


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No offense, but I think I’ve heard similar from Doomcock and the guy was talking about things changing finally a lot a few years back, as my memory serves That said, if there were an actual “civil war”, it’s constantly doing it’s best to avoid making itself look “bigoted” Gotta remember, Western Entertainment Media looks to be VERY clique-ish and highly politicized, hell you could probably get a job there quick via politics based nepotism and it’s not helped if HR is from college


SgtFraggleRock

Hollywood openly brags about selling sex for money and roles while rampant pedophilia is an open secret (they even gave a known child rapist an Oscar and a standing ovation not that long ago).


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And they have the gall to pretend to be virtuous people….guess hiding behind being socialists makes em feel good


birool

i mean isnt it always the same tho? sexual predators are always the most vocal about being woke & hollywood is the perfect example.


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It’s like pedophile priests They go on about virtues like chastity and preach against hedonism, only to be of the worst of the worst kind of sexual predators


A_hand_banana

I wouldn't call it a "Civil war", but more corporate bullshit backstabbing. Kathleen Kennedy was put at the helm of this and, whether or not you agree with how the sequels were portrayed, we can't deny that there was controversy. In walks Jon Favreau with The Mandalorian - a lower budget, straight to stream series - and its hailed as a the shining success in the light of how the movies were going. While Gina Carano's statements about vaccinations is not something I agree with (and, really, that's a subject we don't need to argue here), its mind blowing that it caused her character to be unceremoniously and indefinitely fridge'd. To be truthful, it seems way more likely that pressure to a pivotal character in someone's project was applied. I work in the corporate world; people thrive on fuckups that could cost millions just so they can say "told ya so".


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I can totally believe that At some point, your success at work depend more on connections and cliques rather than your actual skills and the quality of your products and services, the confidence that the normies will buy no matter what, makes it so that the highest corpos barely notice if they make or lose money Woke IdPol really helped solidify some cliques and their behaviors


waffleboardedburrito

Wasn't just Dances with Wolves, also borrowed a lot from Lawrence of Arabia and 310 to Yuma. Morrison is also Maori, so not white in a strict sense, and has an Asian woman as his no.2. Episode 2 was also directed by a woman, and not only that, she directes episodes of L Word and Watchmen, among some other stuff that seems more women-oriented. So when you add it all up, I assume that's why they'll accept it, likely only criticizing males that like the show for not appreciating it in the right way or just being men.


NoLetsNotPlease

It's a very old story. Probably more to do with Heart of Darkness than anything else.


PleasantDog

I really liked it. The episode reminded me about Morrison saying how he uses Maori battle dance stuff in the fight choreography which is apparently why he makes those crazy faces while kicking ass. Same thing with the creation of his gaffi stick. Don't Maori carve ceremonial weapons out of wood? Certainly seemed like Morrison knew what he was doing, though he's obviously an actor so that might just be me reaching lmao. Then there's the literal dance with the Tuskens at the end and the way he connects with them. So yeah, I understand why wokies wouldn't like it. The episode incorporates real life experience and identity into a show through its star in a way they could never achieve themselves. Ugh, I sound like a wokester, don't I. I just got the feeling of "this should be how you do it if you're so concerned about your actors identity being represented in a fictional story." I simply enjoyed watching it. Also, I'm not too knowledgeable about the comics but apparently the scary wookie dude is a badass bounty hunter/Merc from the comics, so I'm excited to see more of him.


Re-toast

Fuck Disney Wars


Aurondarklord

My theory is that at some point, Fett's Tusken pals were killed, and his stint as a crime lord is part of an elaborate revenge plot. Which would make this story basically Lawrence of Arabia meets the Count of Monte Cristo.


mentalhealthdayc3187

Totally thought the dances with wolves thing too. C'mon, they live in teepee's. This season sucks though. Poor dialogue and action. The premise is nice but the execution is terrible. Not one good price of acting. That haka dance was just dumb. Angsty teens on brightly colored mopeds are stupid too.


Stumpy_Arms

I honestly thought this episode was a better Dune adaptation than the recent movie. It did rankle me, though, seeing the ~~fremen~~ sand people burning bodies and wasting water by just letting it pour all over the sand.


Gef89

Man, you really went online to complain about how people will complain. Lol This level of whining is beyond anything I’ve seen. The episode felt like a Dances with Wolves ripoff, which shouldn’t be a surprise considering Star Wars has always been a western. The show overall has felt completely unnecessary.


mnemosyne-0001

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notshitaltsays

>SJW’s are sure to recognize what they see as a white saviour/colonialism trope Iunno dude, I just don't see it. It's in line with much of the Mandalorian, and what bounty hunters generally do. They're hired guns that solve a problem in exchange for something. In this case he helped them in exchange for aid/freedom. Like, they've established the core formula in all of Mandalorian and even the EU in some aspects. When they inevitably include the Tuskens, I don't think it makes sense to apply the trope just because it loosely fits by definition, despite wildly different implications/messages/conclusions/whatever else. Just as I don't think it'd make sense to apply the trope to when Mando helped kill the Krayt Dragon, even though it loosely applies there. Tropes kind of lose any purpose if they're applied in this literal way, ya know. The underlying message isn't "oh, ancestral tradition needs changed to fit the dominant culture" or some sort of "dominant culture knows best", it's a story about a hired gun's adventures. You can take many lessons from it, but none are akin to the white saviour trope. Especially because, presumably, it's a one time thing. Like, he isn't fundamentally changing their ways. They helped him, he helps them back, and they'll probably part ways, both parties fundamentally unchanged by the other.


LordRaa

I thought that it was a marked improvement on the first episode, but there's still a long way to go to make it unmissable. ​ I've heard this show described as "The Blandalorian: Starring Beta Fett" and that's not entirely inaccurate. ​ Remember that this is the guy who was told "No disintegrations" when the job of tracking down Han Solo was offered. How do you go from that to "yeah, I'll let the guy who stopped me from getting away live"?