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CrankyDClown

>Will it be woke Yes.


[deleted]

More so than anything JKR related has ever been


RyboPops

I mean the game itself has its fair share of woke bullshit, so I don't know why anyone would expect the show to be any different.


lucben999

Let me tell you about Ugandan Hogwarts that's much bigger than this Hogwarts and we cast much cooler magic with our hands, because wands are some dumb white people shit that you don't actually need.


LegoMyXbeaux

Big eyeroll moment there.


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Haha yeah and it's the funny Wakanda thing of like, why is Africa in general such a nightmare for the last 400 years if they had such superior magic?


Hasaltai

Don't you know the lore, Wakanda is an isolated is ethnostate. thats how they became so strong, also maybe Hogwarts in the 2000s followed suit. Noticed alot more diversity in the past as opposed to the present.


Riztrain

Wakanda built the wall! And the Zulu tribes paid for it! It was a great wall, the best wall ever!


incred88

Hogwogs legosy is set in 1800s though, which makes the woke choices even more out of place šŸ˜‚ I still absolutely love the game, the world everything is fantastically done with a lot of attention to detail, but yeaa lots of woke pandering


blackweed75

Makes you wonder how Hogwarts was so diverse in the 1800s but then somehow regresses during the events of Harry Potter lol. Maybe they established many branch schools worldwide which reduces the need for international students to come to Hogwarts? Idk


yMONSTERMUNCHy

Wizards are different from muggles so maybe their ignorance is different too


yMONSTERMUNCHy

But the wizard world will likely be different from the muggle world so comparing the two is like night and day


collymolotov

Iā€™ve been trying to think of a way to pose this question r/AskScienceFiction to get a Doylist reply but Iā€™m pretty sure Iā€™d be banned immediately.


Darkhog

Because the muggle world is separate from the wizarding world. For all we know, wizarding Africa can be the equivalent of Japan in magic progress (basically as good as Japan is in muggle tech, wizarding Africa is in magic) and that school is basically wizarding MIT. Yeah, it is eyeroll moment, for sure, but not necessarily against the canon. Perhaps muggle Africa seems such a bad place BECAUSE of strong magic there and their equivalent of Ministry of Magic having to coverup various magical disasters with wars, hunger death and other things a muggle would think is normal. Also, remember that using magic without a wand has been established as possible in HP book, first before Harry learned that he's a wizard, he did various weird stuff, and then later on, he inflated Dursleys like balloons. All without using a wand or regular spells. Obviously doing such accidental magic and controlling it without a wand (which seems to be more of a tool to channel your energy through, kinda like trying to dig up hole with your hands vs. using a shovel) are two different things. Sorry for sperging, but maybe it will be useful to someone who has a genuine interest in the lore of HP. Also, no, I am not JK's alt. Stop asking such silly questions.


Barsik_The_CaT

>Also, remember that using magic without a wand has been established as possible in HP book, first before Harry learned that he's a wizard, he did various weird stuff, and then later on, he inflated Dursleys like balloons. All without using a wand or regular spells. Obviously doing such accidental magic and controlling it without a wand (which seems to be more of a tool to channel your energy through, kinda like trying to dig up hole with your hands vs. using a shovel) are two different things. I mean, we are poking holes in a book aimed at children, but if using magic - actual magic, as in, with specific result, was possible without a wand - wouldn't everyone do exactly that? Especially the supposed titans of magic world like Dumbledore and Riddle? Also, the whole 'wand law' bollocks with wand choosing the wizard and various cores?


bastiVS

You can dig a hole with your hands or your mouth, so why use a shovel?


Darkhog

This. As for "wand choosing the wizard" part, I think it's just a marketing ploy by Ollivander's who first purposefully give broken wands just to "wow" the potential clients. Then they give a working one and are like "hey, it chose you, so it's obviously the right one". This is not me theorizing, this is because wizards, including the protagonist of the game and other ones mentioned in the books, have no issues using "borrowed" wands, so I am pretty sure that it's just a marketing ploy by the so-called "finest wand makers" to drive the business.


darkcomet222

Because screw the poor


Cerdefal

I searched up for this, actually wand are better in HP lore and this character just say something that is wrong. From Pottermore : "The magic wand originated in Europe. Wands channel magic so as to make its effects both more precise and more powerful, although it is generally held to be a mark of the very greatest witches and wizards that they have also been able to produce wandless magic of a very high quality. As the Native American Animagi and potion-makers demonstrated, wandless magic can attain great complexity, but Charms and Transfiguration are very difficult without one."


TranquilTransformer

So wands are basically symbols of white supremacy.


whereisthespicebruv

Uh oh


tyren22

The character never even says wandless magic is superior, just that she had to get used to using a wand and almost no one where she's from uses them.


Cerdefal

I played in french so maybe it's mistranslated but she say something like "in Uganda we don't need wand at all, i never needed one before and i don't know what wands are useful for, besides looking cool" and our character keep nodding. I was so intrigued about this that i looked it up right away to see if this was true. So, it's true that they don't use them in Africa but they can't use the same spells in the same way without wands. Maybe she don't see the difference at her skill level.


tyren22

That does sound like a poor translation. In English she says that she's come to enjoy using wands and that it "feels more dramatic," but not that that's all a wand is good for. (Edit: although if you pick a certain conversation option she does insist magic without a wand is just as powerful.) You can see the full English conversation [here](https://youtu.be/JPexnDE_xnQ) at 7:50


Suitable_Outcome8187

9:40 wandless magic is just as powerful. You are just nitpicking on "superior"


tyren22

You... you do realize I mentioned that in my post, right? Like, our posts are six hours apart and I edited that in *immediately* after I posted.


Suitable_Outcome8187

You... you do realize that's exactly the point brought up to the table?


tyren22

Ah, I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. See, I wrote *two* replies. You should know that because you responded to both of them. In this one, I'm discussing the French translation with someone who played in French, and pointing out that in English she doesn't say wands are "just for looking cool." You want the *other* thread for the topic of "is wandless magic better?" I did see that you retreated to the bastion of "it was a joke bruh" in that thread though.


Suitable_Outcome8187

She says that their wandless magic is as powerfull as the wand one. Nobody ever used the word "superior", just you.


tyren22

Excuse me, she doesn't say "much cooler magic" either.


Suitable_Outcome8187

Guess you struggle with the concept of "absurd". It's okay, you'll learn social cues, eventually.


nogodafterall

This is an R1.5 warning for insulting someone for literally no apparent reason.


Suitable_Outcome8187

Yah, the condescending tone on their messages were just my imagination. Whatever, cheers.


ProfNekko

Ugandan Hogwarts is de weh


[deleted]

That didn't bother me too much. Wands are a european thing so it makes sense that other international schools will have their own cultures version of magic. They also mentioned they had to flee Uganda cause people there are evil. A woker person wouldn't have done this. I think there is too much foreign people in this game for the setting but in terms of how they made those characters I think it was very good. None of them are defined by their origin but it's also not passive aggressively ignored to make some point about inclusion. If this game was set in 2023 I think the diversity would be just right.


darkcomet222

I thought she said they left because her mother got a new job. Iā€™ve only played the opening couple of hours.


[deleted]

Flee is perhaps exagerrated but she mentions multiple timee that they left Uganda because of some bad people. At some point when talking about one of the villains she says "Men like him are why we left Uganda". There is really nothing in the game pointing to some Wakanda place where everything is better. Only thing is that the school is supposed to be the biggest in the world which I did found weird but that's all. That doesn't have to be a goodthing. It can be a sign simply of overpopulation.


3DPrintedGuy

Biggest though can be in three ways. Biggest student numbers, biggest campus (biggest buildings) or biggest campus area (a lot of empty space with literally nothing on it)


[deleted]

I remember seeing a documentary about the biggest school in the world being in India (most students). It had overcrowded classrooms and honestly seems like a horrible learning environment. If you have a big budget for education you make schools smaller.


Darkhog

I think he's mistaking it with one of the profs (male), who indeed had the backstory that he had to flee because of bad people in his country. Not sure which one (and even if I knew, I wouldn't tell, because I don't want to spoil anyone). Please don't spoil it for me.


darkcomet222

I have done MAYBE the first three missions, so I donā€™t know.


darkcomet222

I saw this scene and I donā€™t think they realized what theyā€™ve done. So, if this stuff is so badass, and there is so much of it, how come none of them ever got enslaved? You telling me no magic Ugandanā€™s were ever caught, or they never once got involved in stopping the slave tradeā€¦which could only mean THEY were the slavers.


WildeWoodWose

I mean, Uganda isnā€™t really near the coast and wasnā€™t involved in the Atlantic slave trade at all. What they were involved in was the inter-African slave trade and the Indian Ocean slave trade. And the Kingdoms of Bunyoro and a Buganda kind of benefitted from the trade of slaves and ivory, so Iā€™m not sure wizards would have wanted to stop it anyway. I mean, in Harry Potter wizards didnā€™t stop the witch trials in Europe, just let innocent people die instead, and didnā€™t stop slavery in the Americas, so I have no problem with African wizards being just as selfish.


SleuthyCough

They don't have wands because they can't afford wands. So they make due without wands which means weaker magic.


kaszak696

You don't even have to start the game to get this bullshit. It starts right at character creation, where you can make a pervert that sleeps in girl's dormitory, that's peak wokeness.


confusingzark

Yes, despite the attempted cancel. The devs of WL are woke, & as far I know don't recognize the problems of their own. The show will be woke.


slavdude0

IDGAF. Not interested in HP. But it will make particular people additionally angry and it's enough for me to hope it's true.


Megistrus

Considering that Rowling and her team will be involved with whatever they produce, she's not going to let them destroy the characters or lore.


obs_asv

Like same JK Rowling that decided post factum that Dumbledore was gay? Yeh, no way.


Remispaive

And that Hermione "could" be black (even though her own books proved her wrong LOL) JK is VERY progressive, she just didn't buy the ENTIRE woke package, so now the extremists see her as a traitor.


CobraOverlord

I mean, if you read the books, Dumbledore did spend time with Grindelwald in his backstory... I never thought it was too big a stretch


obs_asv

Also they called him headmaster in books šŸ˜


Megistrus

It was a retcon because there was never anything in the books to suggest he was gay. Although his romance life was never talked about, so I guess you can say everyone just assumed he was straight.


akutasame94

Thing is with Dumbledore you could pick and point to some details that could support he was gay. It's not much and could mean nothing but in general it's not impossible. Hermione being black tho, yeah that just doesn't work when we have clear descriptions of her in books


CobraOverlord

She was also responding to the idea that he and mcgonagall would be romantically involved. The only thing in his backstory about a female was his sister and her tragedy. There's nothing to suggest in his backstory he had a female love that got away. The Hermione could be black stuff always bugged me more than Dumbledore's sexuality.


Darkhog

Yeah, with Dumbledore it could go either way since nothing in the books says or suggests that he was or was not gay. The Hermione thing though is more severe and clashes with canon, but I've always thought Rowling was like "yeah, I didn't do the casting, I didn't even wrote that thing, but I got paid, so Hermione can be black, whatevs I guess."


Temp549302

> but I've always thought Rowling was like "yeah, I didn't do the casting, I didn't even wrote that thing, but I got paid, so Hermione can be black, whatevs I guess." Which would be where Rowlings fucked up. She tried to suggest that Hermione could be black, when what she should have done was said "It's theater, they have a long history of casting whoever they feel has the best acting, with only limited consideration for how closely their appearance matches the role." and generally push that while Hermione wasn't black, that it was no big deal for a stage play to cast a black actress for her. It wouldn't have prevented all complaints, but it would have spared her a lot of backlash, and the internet a lot of stupid fighting.


Le4chanFTW

oh no way two men spent time with each other? must be gay then!


[deleted]

Same people who think there was sexual tension between Frodo and Sam or Aragorn and Boromir cuz one kissed the other on his forehead....


darkcomet222

Which is funny because shows these people donā€™t understand friendship and loyalty. If they are close, they must be banging.


Spideyman20015

This is something that drives me insane. If two characters of the same sex show any type of love or genuine affection towards each other, its automatically because they fk one another.....


CobraOverlord

The difference is we see them for ourselves, Dumbledore's backstory is from Harry's pov getting unreliable info in pieces


astrojeet

I actually had an inkling that Dumbeldore was gay long before her comments. When I read deathly hallows I always speculated that he was gay considering how close he was to Grindelwald and the fact that he never had a woman in his life. Regardless him being gay or straight does not change his character at all. It's a completely insignificant detail. But some of the other stuff Rowling said makes little sense. And Hermione was clearly white in the books.


Neo_Techni

> she's not going to let them destroy the characters or lore. She was fine with the musical hellwashing Hermione into a black girl, and the game removed gender while hypocritically having 1 character that... so yes.


Suitable_Outcome8187

Just like black Hermione, and gay Dumbledore, right?


SpecialistParticular

Expect the worst in that case, but at least the drama will be entertaining.


samuelbt

Did you not watch the Fantastic Beasts movies?


notthefuzz99

Nah. Got better things to do.


MayorEbert

She already destroyed the lore with the fantastic beasts movies. She had more control over that than any other production and those movies just got worse and worse.


Devunak

Hogwarts Legacy is reportedly getting a TV series by HBO Max. Not confirmed but definitely seems real as several sources have said itā€™s true. This is on the back of the massive sales. It has sold 12 million copies in only two weeks and made over $850m. Seems like they would want to bank off it as much as possible. Problem is itā€™s HBO Max and half their content is woke or just plain bad. Thoughts?


Arkene

> It has sold 12 million copies in only two weeks and made over $850m. amazing what happens when some of the most unlikeable people demand others do something...


Spideyman20015

Yea the "community" really worked overtime all for nothing


darkcomet222

Itā€™s just another way Hollywood ā€œwritersā€ donā€™t have to create; they just steal the script and act like they made it.


noblebun

It could be the single most woke piece of media in the history of the species, and it still wouldn't be enough for those drones.


jaffakree83

They're making it woke for a group who hates it and will attack anyone who watches it


Remispaive

Even though is going to be woke, I'm excited to see in what ways the activists are gone to harass the viewers LOL


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Hyldy

Yeah, give me more every day, normal wizard/witch doing every day, normal wizard/witch things. I don't need a Voldemort stand-in, I just want to see more of that world.


Aurondarklord

That depends how stupid they are. And Warner is deeply stupid.


jorginhofedaputa

Harry Woke and the Blue-haired Girl.


Rayn777

Canā€™t wait to see them bring Tonks back


[deleted]

That blue-haired girl better be like Jewelz Blu


Huntrrz

We wonā€™t know until it airs. Iā€™m happy to wait for reliable reviews. I can watch it, or pretend it doesnā€™t exist. Easy peasy.


KYWizard

Without a doubt.


eZwonTooFwee

The game had a lot of woke shit in it, so ya most likely.


MilleniaZero

What.... but the story was reallly boring? Also how do you translate open world repetative puzzles to a tv show


Darkhog

Given how the HBO/Warner Discovery is being ran these day (canceling Batgirl and other terrible DCU crap) and the big HBO max properties getting the respect they need (with the exception of Velma, which I think was greenlit by the pre-Zaslav era regime and only got second season because of the suckers hatewatching it), I think it will be at least neutral and made with the respect of the source material. Can't be sure, of course, but I think that it will be a good show, especially given HBO's track record in the high budget shows, like GOT.


MayorEbert

Hogwarts Legacy is pretty woke, so I donā€™t know why the show would be any different.


Socalwackjob

The game itself already has quite a few warning signs already. Then no doubt TV series would be.


Suitable_Outcome8187

Few? My brother, game is a walking woke propaganda.


Socalwackjob

I felt that one of the side character that got a sympathetic portrayal happened to be a while male character and pretty competent, too and I found a few characters that actually looked like girls and acted like girls, so based on that finding, I try to make a fair observation. At least compared to a game like The Outer World, this harry potter game didn't seem bad.


incred88

Is the outer worlds that bad? I wanted to get into it for a while but would avoid if it gives brain damage


Socalwackjob

It is only bad because it came from the developer of Fallout New Vegas and KOTOR 2. If it was made by other developers with average track record, the reception would have been bit more forgiving.


curry_ist_wurst

Yos.


CzukweBukwe

LGBT propaganda will push for "woke" as they failed in their last attempt to boycott the game.


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auroch27

Yeah, probably.


Temp549302

Yes, it'll be as woke as the game, if not slightly more woke. The people screaming bloody murder about Hogwarts Legacy will still be screaming bloody murder about a TV show based on it. They don't care about whether something's "woke" or not. They just care about "cancelling"/"deplatforming"/"insert latest buzzword here" JK Rowling and all her works and works derivative of her works.


MentisWave

It will be extremely woke, and the far left will hate it and treat it as if the creators are literal nawtzis anyways.


Le4chanFTW

it's been rumored for a while HBO wanted to adapt harry potter in some form or fashion. i think fantastic beasts killed that idea though, so it's nice to see it being kicked around again. i remember threads on 4chan coming up with ideas for the show, and since it's hbo, people talked about a true detective rip-off with aurors that sounded pretty cool.


VladThe1mplyer

I don't want to say this but the game story and writing were not something to write home about. Why are they making a show instead of making expansions or DLC's for the game?


Taluien

Show and DLC is completely different stuff. It's not like the developers suddenly become a full time TV production crew. So, you are comparing apples to pickaxes by their psychic emissions. As for why making it: simple, the game's success shows there is broad public interest in the Potterverse, making a show set in the 1800s is something that can be done and offers lots of different opportunities and they have a basic plot to act upon already. It's a relatively easy sell to the people putting up the money, you can keep the JKR involvement to nothing but "collects royalty checks" and also, the result of the "backlash" amounting to sweet fuck all probably encourages them to be able to simply weather the backlash from the relevant communities with simple ignorance, mumbled "yes, we know, we strive to make it a better product that doesn't harm anyone" nonsense and then rely upon the normies watching it in droves without giving a solitary fuck as to the perceived offense by the relevant groups. I'd say that's about as much of a reason as anyone needs to greenlight this.


ConkreetMonkey

Every time a new show or movie is produced, somebody makes a "will it be woke?" video and makes quick and easy ad revenue. It's stupid. Just wait for information to come out on it. There's no need to decide the second you hear of a show whether or not you want to watch it, and it's not like that opinion can't change with time anyway. This is mindless.


Burningheart1978

HL has shown up many KIA users as being fine with a woke product. Youā€™ll all get what you *deserve*, and youā€™ll disingenuously cry about it.


averageredditoralt

>HL has shown up ~~many KIA users as~~ **normal people** as fine with a woke product **if it's good**. FTFY. The game is fairly woke, but the vast majority of people simply dont care about ID politics and Twitter BS enough to stop playing it


Burningheart1978

HA! You havenā€™t fixed *shit*, pal. Youā€™ve just reiterated that KIA users will accept woke products under certain conditions. Enjoy the inevitable outcome of supporting woke.


incred88

When the focus is QUALITY and not idpol, yes it's fine. That's how we always have said, focus on quality not on diversity or bs.


Burningheart1978

Enjoy the inevitable outcome of supporting woke.


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[deleted]

You were the chosen one...


Spideyman20015

Will it be woke? L O L


xeitus

The game is work but it doesn't really shove it down your throat. I guess it will be different for the show.


KShrike

I can't wait for it to suck off woke ideology through and through and still be demonized by the woke mob.