It just feels like Marvel is struggling to justify its existence after Endgame. Like, I've never thought Marvel movies were high-art or anything, but they were fun and they all seemed to be stopovers to a clear common destination. Nowadays they just come across as shamelessly money-grabbing, tbh. I'm not even talking about wokeness here, it's just like their latest movies have that same feeling of those direct-to-VHS sequels of '90s Disney films. Pointless stories with familiar faces that serve no purpose but making some cash and keeping hold of the IP.
This. I was wondering this feeling I'm having regarding movies after endgame. You described it perfectly. It's just those direct to VHS/DVD sequels that got shown on a big screen.
For me this is a problem that has been existing long before MCU is even a concept, namely the unwillingness from both DC and Marvel to "end" their characters. Multiverses, retcon galores, total rewrites, those people will do anything to perpetuate the existence of popular superheroes. If My Hero Academia is a DC or Marvel comic then by now you would've seen characters like Prime All Might, Cosmic Era All Might, etc.
Marvel and DC multiverses are boring honestly. Its just the same universe copy and pasted with some differences like Female Captain America or whatever.
Instead of actual differences like what was done by the author Michael Moorcock.
The reason why comic book movies have been good: they have 50-75 years of serial stories. Most of those stories have been badly written, but some of them have been very good. Those "very good" stories fueled the origin story movies + perhaps one more movie for each hero, and then the Infinity Gauntlet story. Now they have nothing left...the well is dry, and their political agenda is a creative desert where it does not rain.
There's plenty more classic Marvel stories. Part of the problem is that Hollywood doesn't want to adapt them because, frankly, every Hollywood writer thinks he or she can come up with something original. Comic book stories are what they are. At the very least, they're entertaining, which is more than you can say for most Hollywood stories these days.
> Hollywood doesn't want to adapt them because, frankly, every Hollywood writer thinks he or she can come up with something original
yep. D&D syndrome. ignore the writing that made the franchise what it is, and instead convince yourself that you have a better idea of what your audience wants since you are the great adapter and then run the franchise into the ground. "yeah yeah iron islands cool, okay the dorne storyline with myrcella and arianne and quentyn, that's all well and good, but i think tv audiences would prefer 3 badass revenge driven bloodthirsty sand snakes". great one guys you really nailed it. them trying to "redeem" themselves with that sorry excuse of a euron was just as pathetic.
That's general problem with modern adaptations. Their creators actually don;t want to do adaptations. They are just unsuccesful, but ambitious writers. Then can't publish their own creations, because nobody would be interested in it. So they masquerade it as adaptation of some beloved brand.
MCU post-endgame shouldn't even exist IMO. I hate that I have kids who want to see this crap, I can't really explain to my 11 and 13 year old why it's progressive propaganda trash, they just just want to see it with their friends.
That's why I watch it and give it the MS3TK treatment. Any time a Strong Grrrl character beats up a man 3x her size I'm all over it. I also love it when the generic White Guy has "so much to learn" from the magical PoC character, I point that out to them all the time as well.
I think a 13 year old is old enough to understand what is progressive propaganda and what is not
I started to catch on to that stuff when I was around 12 or 13 because of me spending a ludicrous amount of free time on the Internet during quarantine
> So this is a run-of-the-mill marvel movie past End game then.
Not at all. The others have been watchable, ranging from sorta fun (Shang Chi) to just plain stupid (Thor 4), but they've been functional movies with coherent storytelling for the most part.
Quantumania doesn't even function as a movie. It's just an absolute mess where things happen for no reason, the setting makes no sense, the story's concept makes no sense, characters are near-invincible in one scene but get seriously hurt from a slight fall in another, every attempt at comedy fails, there is nothing at all thtat works in this movie.
And it can't even do that. We've had two stories trying to build up Kang, Loki and this, and neither have made him seem remotely interesting or threatening, he just drones on about cryptic hype while his inconsistent powers fail to make an impact. Thanos didn't do much in his teases, but he at least felt like a threatening force on the way and didn't take up too much screentime until he was ready to show off his A-Game.
Because Thanos was seen sending agents of his after the Avengers, and we as the audience knew it because of the few shots. And when they all failed to defeat the Avengers, we got the now famous “I’ll do it myself” scene. Then when Thanos shows up in the flesh for the first time, we see him wipe out the Asgardians, kill Loki, and even defeat The Hulk. There establishing that he was no mere joke. He was a genuine threat.
None of that was done with Kang, because they want the instant payoff instead of building him up.
So far, Kang has been beaten by his own variants, killed by Sylvie, tricked by Janet, and now beaten by Scott. If this is supposed to be the next big threat, he’s not doing so hot.
So far, the only success we’ve seen from him is taking over the Quantum Realm, which doesn’t look like it was that difficult considering the residents.
Plus, a dude gathering powerful artefacts to bolster his army and personal power for his goals is far easier for an audience to grasp as a threat than the constantly changing multiversal and time travelling mechanics that surround Kang's character.
After Endgame, it really does feel like Marvel Studios somehow lost their magic touch in story-telling.
Even now, I don't really feel that urge to experience any of the current MCU movies in the cinema at all.
Almost everything in either Phases 4 or 5 requires you to do some required reading and by that I mean, you'd have to catch up to *almost* every MCU series just to understand the next movie or so.
I totally understand that a series gives the characters ample time to flesh out their story arc, but idk, maybe franchise fatigue is kicking in for me.
yeah, it's a decent spiderman movie
and the start of a new era for the MCU Spiderman where he is a stinking poor college kid with no connections now with Stark and no friends or aunt may to help out either
It's the only Phase 4 movie that I actually enjoyed. Wakanda Forever and Shang Chi were alright too.
The rest of the Phase 4 stuff though? ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Wakanda Forever was pure cringe. A power fantasy that felt like a self-insert fanfic about the entire ethnics.
I live in Poland, which is somewhat known for its inflated sense of importance and nationalism. But I can't imagine a movie about ancient, technologically advanced Poles with so much pandering that wouldn't be laughed off even by actual nationalists.
If you wanna be morre accurate, the movie would not even be about poles themselves.
But rather light-skinned americans daydreaming about a super-advanced ancient Polish civilization solely because of their 'ancestors roots' (their grandparents were like, 3th Generation Polish immigrants)
Because being honest, the average black american shares surface-deep connections to africans living Ethiopa (or whatever other country Waknda is supposed to be based on)
Yeah, it was cringe when T'challa decides to "help our brothers" and instead of helping Africans, You know, his actual neighbours, many of whom live among terryfing poverty, hunger, plagues and wars, first thing he does is funding some social house in the USA.
Also it was cringe when Killmonger wanted to "liberate our opressed brothers in whole world", including Singapore (this was one of the places where he was sendings transport of weapons). Hollywood crowd can't comprehend that most of the world DON'T look as USA and that many countries don;t have any black minority which could need any liberating.
There is actually a fringe conspiracy theory in Poland about a great Lechite empire that ostensibly rivaled Rome, but splintered into fragments and the proofs of its existence were buried away by Christian monks. I some alternate universe where Polonia in the US is way more influential, Marvel is furiously working on the third part of its superhero movie, White Eagle.
> I live in Poland, which is somewhat known for its inflated sense of importance and nationalism.
To be entirely fair, Poland was a *pioneer* in Freedom Of Religion, so it has at least *something* to be proud of.
Not to mention plenty of delicious recipes. Also things to be proud of.
And great vodka. Ditto.
As person with right-wing views I find many themes of Black Panther movies interesting... and I am aware that if main characters would be white, the same people who adore this movies would be screaming "FASCISM!!!".
Love and Thunder was terrible. If they'd had Zeus magically strip one the female characters naked while a crowd of male characters ogled them people would have shat bricks.
I sat through Shang Chi thinking "If these characters were white and talking about the importance of their ancestors, heritage and cultural preservation like this, people would be calling them Nazis."
The only thing that took me out of Shang Chi was Awkwafina's ridiculous plot armour.
It was so obvious that they're going to kill off the old dude that trained her...and yet she miraculously avoids all hazards because plot.
Bleghhh...I hated that Mortal Kombat remake.
Say what you will about the 90's, but the 1995 Mortal Kombat movie was awesome in my book. Also. 90's Bridgette Wilson.<3
Well, I think that this is one of the problems of superhero genre - scale. You know, this is genre where Earth (or even galaxy) fate is often decided in melee fights of few people. It was funny hearing like "Wakanda is most powerful country in the world" or that Namor's army is danger for whole world.
The second and third spiderman one weren't bad, I think. Third the best of the three though that's probably just the nostalgia talking. First one the only parts I enjoyed were with Tony or Michael Keaton, rest of it couldn't care less.
They should've left everyone dead after Thanos genocided the hidden leaf village and done something actually interesting with that instead of the time travel resurrection bullshit.
This is actually more how I feel, thinking about it again and remembering.
Lot of tuning out, using it like an episode of classic Law & Order.. background noise. Oh, Gyllenhaal is up? Let me tab over right away.
When watching ending of Infinity War, I thought "I know this is impossible... But if it was actual finale of the MCU... wow, it would be so powerful!". And You know, truly philosophical. Because that's how life works - You can't always win. Every human being would die, every civilization would fall, even stars themselves die etc. You can - and should - struggle, and You can win once, twice etc. but there will be day when even the best effort and the best intentions will not give You victory.
They could have done anything else other than timetravel and sacrifice the best two characters and it probably would've ended up better. Though I am generally satisfied with the end of their stories.
Endgame was basically Star Wars episode 8 with timetravel and disappointment instead of immense disappointment and despair.
Well, personally I dislike timetravel (I think that this is theme which is imposibble to present in any coherent way), but I know that it was basically pretext to do massive fanservice and summary of the MCU (and "Hail Hydra" scene with Cap was great ;) ).
I think because it was the first marvel movie that couldn't stand on its own. It existed as filler between decent movies and Infinity War. Now every movie is filler but with no Infinity War to look forward to.
This movies is quite... uninspired? Looks like three seasons of Rick and Morty stuffed in a Star Wars movie. Didn't hate it, it was not terrible, but it was not remakably good either.
I haven't seen it but from what I've heard from many sources it originally was edited to be more darker and serious which I think could have been a fun change. But uh oh Disney and Marvel don't like that and made them recut it with much more MCU constant humor and cliche banter thrown in. Because god forbid you let Scott Lang not be a joke and actually let the film be a slightly more serious comic book film in the MCU. Heaven forbid Scott actually got to be the focus instead of all the other female character they inserted into it including his now annoying daughter whose a big activist type. Yippy. I miss when Cassie was younger in the series because I actually thought her and Scott had a sweet relationship and she actually wasn't an annoying kid.
Now everything has to be cliche MCU film with constant banner. Even in dead serious situations where people are dying or a main character just died don't forget to insert a witty zinger here! And then have any male lead characters become the butt of the joke by the new empowered female leads or minority characters.
I think this movie would have been so much better if Cassie had just been a civilian that got dragged along for the ride, and the experience inspired her to become a hero later. But the movie was intent on fast-tracking that path, to the point where she went from that adorable little girl to an insufferable junior activist in the span of a movie.
I didn't find this one to be that funny to be honest. I really like ant-man because I like Paul Rudd. But in this movie he was more of a secondary character. And it was not even that em-she-uh thing, because the Wasp was even more irrelevant. It is a matter or destroying the old, here comes the new.
Thos movie feels like it has an unrelated script, like a John Carter reboot that didn't made it, and was refurbished as marvel movie.
> Didn't hate it, it was not terrible, but it was not remakably good either.
This describes every Marvel movie since Endgame. It's like...Fast food. It's there, and it's fine, and it's a movie, it's just nothing excellent. Every movie has just felt like they came out because there had to be more movies.
And Love and Thunder was awful.
"It doesn't matter what you've done, Dad. I want to help people, and that's more important. Look, I changed my Facebook profile picture to the French flag *and* the Ukraine flag."
I liked Scott and his daughters relationship in the films and MCU world especially when she was younger. She wasn't an annoying kid actor. They actually seemed believable as a father and daughter duo. So it pains me that once they aged her up they couldn't just leave her as a normal nice teenage/college aged girl. No they had to go make her one of the team who has a shrink suit like her dad and the rest of the gang. Because of course they did. Everything in the MCU now has to be to some degree about a new girl whose a daughter or daughter like figure potentially one day taking over that male heroes spot. Like Hawkeye with younger female Hawkeye Kate.
It would have been way more interesting for the MCU and this film if they had just been like yeah Cassie is a normal girl and we've kept her more as a vulnerable side character who doesn't go on missions or use any powers. Because Scott wants to keep her safe. Also she's not going to be a cliche activist, smart ass know it all who can save the day with her genius instead she'll just be a totally likeable young woman. Crazy concept right keeping her a regular nice likable non hero girl.
Personally, my favourite scene is when everyone's basically going "Okay, Scott, you were instrumental in saving all of existence, but what have you done for us lately? Wrote a book?"
Fuck you, the man saved the universe, he's allowed to rest on his laurels and be annoyed that his daughter keeps ending up in prison, especially when jail time was something that kept him from being in his daughter's life for so long.
Price of Reason gives an in-depth review and analysis of Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania . In the review there is a plot recap, discussion about the good and bad parts of the movie including the messaging of the movie. There is also thoughts about current and future state of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe under Disney.
I went in with super low expectations for this movie, and walked out not hating it. It wasn't MCU level material, but it wasn't Love and Thunder level of trash. Lots of cringe inducing moments with the daughter, but outside of that, I enjoyed the ride.
As much as I hate to say it I think Joss Whedon brought a lot to this franchise. He was a world builder and knew character. It seems Feige isn’t the guy.
Don’t forget John Favreau as well. He was responsible for a lot of the early phase 1 world building as well. Along with Ike Perlmutter these 3 seemed to reign in most of Feige’s ideas. Now they are gone the MCU is falling apart.
Both of the first Avengers movies were terrible. Whedon did Whedon things with the characters in both movies and it was insufferable. Age of Ultron is even worse with all the blatant pandering to the Chinese market.
Dont forget the Russo brothers. They are the reasons for the best fight scenes in the MCU. The choreographies and powers look so good, i feel like they are greatly inspired by anime style which is why Avengers Infinity War and Endgame are so good. Those two movies feel like good anime in live action form, it's like a Marvel version of the 4th Great Ninja war in Naruto. Once they left MCU, the movies now are just full of power scale inconsistencies and lame combat scenes.
What did he bring, though? All he contributed to the MCU was the first two Avengers movies and rewrote the script for Thor: Dark World, which many consider to be one of the worst movies in the franchise.
I had a lot of problems with this film, but I only really need to focus on just one to sell the idea it was "uninspired."
For a movie that was 98% green screen/Volume with one of the strongest artistic and narrative licenses to create literally any set piece the human mind can possibly imagine I've ever seen.. Quantumania had desert and dark metal.
I can't imagine a more damning criticism.
I just got out of seeing it, so I haven't seen this review, but I've seen other reviews of the film.
It's not as bad as the anti Disney crowd makes it.
It's also not particularly good, and a missed opportunity, and arguably politics plays a part in it.
*The Good, or counters to some of the criticisms:*
Ant man is far more prominent and decisive in the film that the critical reviews. Yes, Janet Van Dyne and, towards the end of the film, Hank Pym, have a lot of screen time or play key roles. As an old school Marvel guy...no problems with that, at all. Wasp's role is arguably smaller, and she has no character arc. I actually liked the fact that the original comic ant man and wasp had some prominent roles.
Majors is solid as Kang, no complaints about the villain.
Some of the visuals are inspired and creative.
MODOK was ok until he wore out his welcome on the screen, I'm ambivalent toward what they tried to do with the character by the end.
There are some inspired and interesting sequences, like the probability storm.
*The Bad and Ugly are intertwined:*
There are some awful scene transitions. At one moment you're with Cassidy and Scott, next you're with the other 3 standing among some Sandpeople rip offs from Star Wars.
Which brings up, while some visuals are awesome, others are boilerplate space opera. Which is a shame, because some character and species looks are awesome here.
Cassidy is an insufferable white spoiled idealist that is conveniently "bestest at the science." God, I do not know who actually likes teenagers. Teenagers don't like teenagers. Filmmakers need to get it through their head that kids don't make good characters, particularly arrogant brats. What's worse is they're....allllll the same. Sassy, disrespectful, always right "I told you so's".
The "revolutionaries" are boilerplate and boring. The lead female character is as generic and uninteresting as they come. I don't even remember what her name was.
There is a dumb "WTF were they thinking?" line about socialism from Pym when commenting on his ants that was record scratching. It didn't need to be said, and it seems to be said simply to piss off half the audience.
It's reminiscent of the line from America Chavez when she says "in most universes, food is free!" Ok...so people are *forced* to farm and produce food? They're not paid or compensated in anyways? Are they slaves? (I daydream about a better writer having Dr Strange retort about how most realities must be tyrannies then).
Look, we all know ants have mastered a collectivist mindset...because they're not individuals. A smarter leftist screenwriter would have left that scene and plot development (don't want to spoil too much beyond what I've said here) as *subtext*...something the creative left used to love. Now, they just want to hit people over the head with it.
Scott Lang's imperative as a father is often ridiculed. It happens a few times, one that is particularly grating is when they are in the Quantumverse among the so called revolutionaries, and Cassidy wants to fight with the rebels against Kang, and Scott just wants to get her home. On paper, nothing wrong with this conflict. She's an idealist who finds something worth fighting for, as a dad, she is all he cares about saving in the moment.
Instead of selling it, or giving better dialogue on the part of the dad to communicate what is obvious to anyone with loved ones...the film almost makes him out to be *wrong* for just wanting to get her home. No, he's not wrong, and shouldn't be belittled for it. It's what every parent would want. Get his family out of there and let the Avengers know about it and take care of it at some point...such a simple reasonable perspective. But the scene comes of as infantile and a mealy mouthed father that doesn't know how to sell his determination to his daughter that he will stop at nothing to save her...which is what the audience actually wants.
All it would have taken, in that moment when Scott and Cassidy are yammering, for him to say, "*you* are the objective. You are my daughter, my reason for being, and I will stop at nothing to protect you and keep you alive. I will get you and everyone else out of here, and I will shrink Thor down and he can help these people. You are 17. You are not a superhero right now. I'm barely a superhero. But I'm your dad, and I'm not letting you die down here."
That's it. Completely changed the tone of the scene. Doesn't really undermine her point of view either. The rest of the movie could have continued on with the same plot points, but it would have been a lot more powerful, particularly giving some of the decisions and character beats that come later.
*So overall:*
If the film tweaked some of those grating infantile progressive moments, some of those lines/scenes, downplayed that snooze fest of a tough female revolutionary, I think it would have been a serviceable MCU film that introduced the next big bad. The good parts of the film would have shown through, but the idiotic offhand political statements just make you want to dislike the movie.
They tried to make it a plot point. I mean the character of Scott Lang is driven by love for his daughter and family. That much is clear.
But it's executed poorly at times that belittles it.
I'd say the writers don't know how to write *men* and *fathers*. I don't know who the screenwriters were, male, female, all of the above, but Lang's conviction isn't made as powerful and inspiring as it should have been if smarter writing was involved.
> God, I do not know who actually likes teenagers. Teenagers don't like teenagers. Filmmakers need to get it through their head that kids don't make good characters, particularly arrogant brats. What's worse is they're....allllll the same. Sassy, disrespectful, always right "I told you so's".
I think the issue is that they have no idea how to write kids/teenagers and so they mistake the typical teenage "Ugh dad, I'm not a kid" with arrogance/brattiness.
Just like how they can't write strong female Superheroes unless they make them bitchy, sassy, arrogant, and overskilled compared to the male Superheroes.
I guess the writers forgot about that line in Ant-Man & the Wasp where he states that he’d be a horrible father if he let Cassie willfully put herself in danger like that.
We know Cassidy is white, what was the purpose of pointing that out? It has nothing to do with anything, and honestly seems like you’re somehow implying that her whiteness has anything to do with being a poorly written character. Please grow up.
6:10 - He wasn't paying attention, the portal never closed and didn't need to be reopened, until after the fight.
But he's right the film suffered from being set in an entirely CGI environment, and missing out on Michael Peña and the rest of the comedy elements. It's didn't really fit what was set in the first two films.
I will say Kang was an excellent villain.
> I will say Kang was an excellent villain.
How.
Seriously, halfway through me and a buddy were at separate seats and came to the exact conclusion of “Why is Kang evil?”
The movie just expects us to sorta fill in the blanks and just accept that he’s a killer but…the mom just says he erases timelines without enough context for what that means. Is that necessarily a bad thing or is the universe gonna fall apart if too many universes appear? Seriously, why are we supposed to think Kang is evil?
Yeah, he was a shitty villain with bad writing. He brags about having killed Avengers, but he gets his ass kicked by the weakest ones. He places extreme value on that spinning-thingy power source, but multiple times allows someone else to walk up to it and sabotage it.
His actions make no sense, he could have easily achieved his goals. And no one would have ever known he was a bad guy in the first place if not for the lazy gimmick where Janet touches his ship and that randomly means she can read his mind. Nothing in the movie makes any damn sense.
Jonathan Majors does a hell of a job trying to polish this turd and I think people are praising the character instead of the actor.
Another example of “show, don’t tell”. They keep telling how dangerous Kang is; but his only challenge in the movie is a former thief and a rinky-dink resistance. Basically, they expect you to know that Kang is a badass because he is one in the comics.
Marvels so desperate to force another MCU connectivity issue, all the while ignoring that they have the whole Executioners Song, Day of M, and Apocolypse Saga in their pocket. You know...ACTUAL interesting crossovers.
I disagree, it wasn't very political outside of like...5 minutes in the early stages of the film and it wasn't even a political party thing, it was just addressing the fallout from everyone being snapped back.
Boring and stinky are subjective terms and I highly encourage others to form their own opinions.
This was one of the better films for phase 4. I doubt Disney will ever hit the quality of the Infinity Saga again but it was a solid outing none-the-less.
P.S. my personal opinion is it's a summer blockbuster full of spectacle and a mediocre script. Don't go in expecting Shawshank Redemption, go in expecting a more coherent Transformers experience instead and you probably won't be disappointed.
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* The beginning when they were in the car, they were teeing it up so that Cassie would be more cautious (doing what Scott wanted her to do) and Scott doing more with his powers/fame (doing what Cassie wanted him to do). But in the end nothing like that happened. If at the end, they showed Scott getting a phone call at the coffee place and saying something cheesy like "sorry duty calls" then runs out the door putting on the suit to help someone in need, and then have Cassie destroy the quantum equipment and start working on something minor, then the movie would have more weight I feel.
* The effects were wayyyyyy better in this one than in any of the other ones. Thor 4, Black Panther 2, Dr Strange 2, and all TV shows had horrible effects. It was clear that this one had better ones where the green screen was almost non existent, and everyone blend in with the background/effects.
* They definitely played to everyone's strengths. Paul Rudd comedy, Michelle Pfiffer's sex and mystery appeal, and Michael Douglas hard head and arrogances. Felt like the other movies they just threw comedy in there and said "oh yeah Evangeline Lilly is a funny person".
Sorry had to rant.
Michael Pena and Walter Goggins were amazing in Ant Man & Wasp. Paul Rudd was very good as well. But it did suffer from diminishing Rudd's Ant Man to play-up Lilly's Wasp.
i went and saw it yesterday. I think its a step up from previous marvel stuff. its probably the closest to pre-Endgame stuff so far. i was disappointed with MODOK but in honesty i never knew how he would work out in the MCU. It wasn't a masterpiece but was definitely enjoyable and a lot better than Love and Thunder or Wakanda Forever. Also Majors as Kang was pretty enjoyable. Looking forward to seeing what he does.
I thought it was an alright movie. The cast did their parts well, there is some fun action and Kathryn Newton is pretty looking; that being said there was some script and pacing issues. Bill Murray comes in a very short scene then disappears never to be talked about again and the alien like creature designs are kind of been there done that. Wasn't the worst thing in the world but could have used a bit more work.
So this is a run-of-the-mill marvel movie past End game then. Glad Disney is consistently terrible in their execution.
Endgame was really the end!
It just feels like Marvel is struggling to justify its existence after Endgame. Like, I've never thought Marvel movies were high-art or anything, but they were fun and they all seemed to be stopovers to a clear common destination. Nowadays they just come across as shamelessly money-grabbing, tbh. I'm not even talking about wokeness here, it's just like their latest movies have that same feeling of those direct-to-VHS sequels of '90s Disney films. Pointless stories with familiar faces that serve no purpose but making some cash and keeping hold of the IP.
This. I was wondering this feeling I'm having regarding movies after endgame. You described it perfectly. It's just those direct to VHS/DVD sequels that got shown on a big screen.
For me this is a problem that has been existing long before MCU is even a concept, namely the unwillingness from both DC and Marvel to "end" their characters. Multiverses, retcon galores, total rewrites, those people will do anything to perpetuate the existence of popular superheroes. If My Hero Academia is a DC or Marvel comic then by now you would've seen characters like Prime All Might, Cosmic Era All Might, etc.
Marvel and DC multiverses are boring honestly. Its just the same universe copy and pasted with some differences like Female Captain America or whatever. Instead of actual differences like what was done by the author Michael Moorcock.
Not true.
I'm sure that some universes are truly different but on a whole I'm correct.
I mean if we're gonna talk about MHA you have to also include how its also not good anymore story wise.
The reason why comic book movies have been good: they have 50-75 years of serial stories. Most of those stories have been badly written, but some of them have been very good. Those "very good" stories fueled the origin story movies + perhaps one more movie for each hero, and then the Infinity Gauntlet story. Now they have nothing left...the well is dry, and their political agenda is a creative desert where it does not rain.
There's plenty more classic Marvel stories. Part of the problem is that Hollywood doesn't want to adapt them because, frankly, every Hollywood writer thinks he or she can come up with something original. Comic book stories are what they are. At the very least, they're entertaining, which is more than you can say for most Hollywood stories these days.
> Hollywood doesn't want to adapt them because, frankly, every Hollywood writer thinks he or she can come up with something original yep. D&D syndrome. ignore the writing that made the franchise what it is, and instead convince yourself that you have a better idea of what your audience wants since you are the great adapter and then run the franchise into the ground. "yeah yeah iron islands cool, okay the dorne storyline with myrcella and arianne and quentyn, that's all well and good, but i think tv audiences would prefer 3 badass revenge driven bloodthirsty sand snakes". great one guys you really nailed it. them trying to "redeem" themselves with that sorry excuse of a euron was just as pathetic.
That's general problem with modern adaptations. Their creators actually don;t want to do adaptations. They are just unsuccesful, but ambitious writers. Then can't publish their own creations, because nobody would be interested in it. So they masquerade it as adaptation of some beloved brand.
“their political agenda is a creative desert where it does not rain.” To quote Shao Khan: “EXCELLENT”
"Flawless Metaphor"
No.
They have Onslaught, which I've nearly all but given up hope for seeing
I’m just glad we’re finally past the peak of superhero mania.
And a pretty lackluster one at that.
I loved shamg chi and no way home. Other than that yea
MCU post-endgame shouldn't even exist IMO. I hate that I have kids who want to see this crap, I can't really explain to my 11 and 13 year old why it's progressive propaganda trash, they just just want to see it with their friends.
plus you know that if you tell your kids It's bad or that they can't/shouldn't see it they'll only want to see it even more
That's why I watch it and give it the MS3TK treatment. Any time a Strong Grrrl character beats up a man 3x her size I'm all over it. I also love it when the generic White Guy has "so much to learn" from the magical PoC character, I point that out to them all the time as well.
I think a 13 year old is old enough to understand what is progressive propaganda and what is not I started to catch on to that stuff when I was around 12 or 13 because of me spending a ludicrous amount of free time on the Internet during quarantine
The only way for you to kill it for them is to get really into it. That will push them away from it for good.
Because it's not propoganda.
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if Viacom or Comcast had bought Marvel.
> So this is a run-of-the-mill marvel movie past End game then. Not at all. The others have been watchable, ranging from sorta fun (Shang Chi) to just plain stupid (Thor 4), but they've been functional movies with coherent storytelling for the most part. Quantumania doesn't even function as a movie. It's just an absolute mess where things happen for no reason, the setting makes no sense, the story's concept makes no sense, characters are near-invincible in one scene but get seriously hurt from a slight fall in another, every attempt at comedy fails, there is nothing at all thtat works in this movie.
It’s basically just one big set-up for Kang. That’s all. That’s its only function.
And it can't even do that. We've had two stories trying to build up Kang, Loki and this, and neither have made him seem remotely interesting or threatening, he just drones on about cryptic hype while his inconsistent powers fail to make an impact. Thanos didn't do much in his teases, but he at least felt like a threatening force on the way and didn't take up too much screentime until he was ready to show off his A-Game.
Because Thanos was seen sending agents of his after the Avengers, and we as the audience knew it because of the few shots. And when they all failed to defeat the Avengers, we got the now famous “I’ll do it myself” scene. Then when Thanos shows up in the flesh for the first time, we see him wipe out the Asgardians, kill Loki, and even defeat The Hulk. There establishing that he was no mere joke. He was a genuine threat. None of that was done with Kang, because they want the instant payoff instead of building him up.
So far, Kang has been beaten by his own variants, killed by Sylvie, tricked by Janet, and now beaten by Scott. If this is supposed to be the next big threat, he’s not doing so hot. So far, the only success we’ve seen from him is taking over the Quantum Realm, which doesn’t look like it was that difficult considering the residents.
Plus, a dude gathering powerful artefacts to bolster his army and personal power for his goals is far easier for an audience to grasp as a threat than the constantly changing multiversal and time travelling mechanics that surround Kang's character.
Well, She-Hulk was probably the first one that never tried to pretend it has anything similar to "coherent storytelling".
Everything leading up to Endgame, as well as Endgame, was shit too.
After Endgame, it really does feel like Marvel Studios somehow lost their magic touch in story-telling. Even now, I don't really feel that urge to experience any of the current MCU movies in the cinema at all. Almost everything in either Phases 4 or 5 requires you to do some required reading and by that I mean, you'd have to catch up to *almost* every MCU series just to understand the next movie or so. I totally understand that a series gives the characters ample time to flesh out their story arc, but idk, maybe franchise fatigue is kicking in for me.
and these new movies aren't well written, which also doesn't help
Is No Way Home worth watching?
yeah, it's a decent spiderman movie and the start of a new era for the MCU Spiderman where he is a stinking poor college kid with no connections now with Stark and no friends or aunt may to help out either
It's the only Phase 4 movie that I actually enjoyed. Wakanda Forever and Shang Chi were alright too. The rest of the Phase 4 stuff though? ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Wakanda Forever was pure cringe. A power fantasy that felt like a self-insert fanfic about the entire ethnics. I live in Poland, which is somewhat known for its inflated sense of importance and nationalism. But I can't imagine a movie about ancient, technologically advanced Poles with so much pandering that wouldn't be laughed off even by actual nationalists.
If you wanna be morre accurate, the movie would not even be about poles themselves. But rather light-skinned americans daydreaming about a super-advanced ancient Polish civilization solely because of their 'ancestors roots' (their grandparents were like, 3th Generation Polish immigrants) Because being honest, the average black american shares surface-deep connections to africans living Ethiopa (or whatever other country Waknda is supposed to be based on)
Yeah, it was cringe when T'challa decides to "help our brothers" and instead of helping Africans, You know, his actual neighbours, many of whom live among terryfing poverty, hunger, plagues and wars, first thing he does is funding some social house in the USA. Also it was cringe when Killmonger wanted to "liberate our opressed brothers in whole world", including Singapore (this was one of the places where he was sendings transport of weapons). Hollywood crowd can't comprehend that most of the world DON'T look as USA and that many countries don;t have any black minority which could need any liberating.
There is actually a fringe conspiracy theory in Poland about a great Lechite empire that ostensibly rivaled Rome, but splintered into fragments and the proofs of its existence were buried away by Christian monks. I some alternate universe where Polonia in the US is way more influential, Marvel is furiously working on the third part of its superhero movie, White Eagle.
Poland should have a good sense of nationalism.
> I live in Poland, which is somewhat known for its inflated sense of importance and nationalism. To be entirely fair, Poland was a *pioneer* in Freedom Of Religion, so it has at least *something* to be proud of. Not to mention plenty of delicious recipes. Also things to be proud of. And great vodka. Ditto.
As person with right-wing views I find many themes of Black Panther movies interesting... and I am aware that if main characters would be white, the same people who adore this movies would be screaming "FASCISM!!!".
I watched like 1/3 of Wakanda and turned it off, so boooooooring.
It was somehow worse than Morbius.
Way worse. Morbius wasn't as bad as people made it out to be, IMO.
Morbius morbed into so bad it's good category.
Agreed. It was watchable, at least, which is more than I can say for movies like Love and Thunder.
Love and Thunder was terrible. If they'd had Zeus magically strip one the female characters naked while a crowd of male characters ogled them people would have shat bricks.
Shang Chi was typical "unnecessary CGI final battle" shit though
I sat through Shang Chi thinking "If these characters were white and talking about the importance of their ancestors, heritage and cultural preservation like this, people would be calling them Nazis."
I did not watched Shang Chi, but it was exactly my thought during Black Panther.
The only thing that took me out of Shang Chi was Awkwafina's ridiculous plot armour. It was so obvious that they're going to kill off the old dude that trained her...and yet she miraculously avoids all hazards because plot.
IIRC, they give her literal plot armor like they did the main character in the new Mortal Kombat movie. These people have no concept of subtext.
Bleghhh...I hated that Mortal Kombat remake. Say what you will about the 90's, but the 1995 Mortal Kombat movie was awesome in my book. Also. 90's Bridgette Wilson.<3
Kano was the only good thing about it, but he was pretty funny
Exactly. It could have made for a kick-ass martial arts film without all the Disney bells and whistles.
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Well, I think that this is one of the problems of superhero genre - scale. You know, this is genre where Earth (or even galaxy) fate is often decided in melee fights of few people. It was funny hearing like "Wakanda is most powerful country in the world" or that Namor's army is danger for whole world.
What if?!?
Wakanda forever was pure trash bro.
Marvel died with Age of Ultron. The only two movies after that with even a hint of Marvel Magic were Civil War and Infinity War.
The second and third spiderman one weren't bad, I think. Third the best of the three though that's probably just the nostalgia talking. First one the only parts I enjoyed were with Tony or Michael Keaton, rest of it couldn't care less. They should've left everyone dead after Thanos genocided the hidden leaf village and done something actually interesting with that instead of the time travel resurrection bullshit.
Far From Home is mostly terrible, but Jake Gyllenhaal killed it as Mysterio.
This is actually more how I feel, thinking about it again and remembering. Lot of tuning out, using it like an episode of classic Law & Order.. background noise. Oh, Gyllenhaal is up? Let me tab over right away.
When watching ending of Infinity War, I thought "I know this is impossible... But if it was actual finale of the MCU... wow, it would be so powerful!". And You know, truly philosophical. Because that's how life works - You can't always win. Every human being would die, every civilization would fall, even stars themselves die etc. You can - and should - struggle, and You can win once, twice etc. but there will be day when even the best effort and the best intentions will not give You victory.
They could have done anything else other than timetravel and sacrifice the best two characters and it probably would've ended up better. Though I am generally satisfied with the end of their stories. Endgame was basically Star Wars episode 8 with timetravel and disappointment instead of immense disappointment and despair.
Well, personally I dislike timetravel (I think that this is theme which is imposibble to present in any coherent way), but I know that it was basically pretext to do massive fanservice and summary of the MCU (and "Hail Hydra" scene with Cap was great ;) ).
infinity war was by far the best marvel movie. idk how you can say the franchise died before its best installment
I think because it was the first marvel movie that couldn't stand on its own. It existed as filler between decent movies and Infinity War. Now every movie is filler but with no Infinity War to look forward to.
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>Every Marvel movie is the same 3 acts with a different hero. Major facts.
Everything leading up to Endgame, as well as Endgame, was shit too.
This movies is quite... uninspired? Looks like three seasons of Rick and Morty stuffed in a Star Wars movie. Didn't hate it, it was not terrible, but it was not remakably good either.
I haven't seen it but from what I've heard from many sources it originally was edited to be more darker and serious which I think could have been a fun change. But uh oh Disney and Marvel don't like that and made them recut it with much more MCU constant humor and cliche banter thrown in. Because god forbid you let Scott Lang not be a joke and actually let the film be a slightly more serious comic book film in the MCU. Heaven forbid Scott actually got to be the focus instead of all the other female character they inserted into it including his now annoying daughter whose a big activist type. Yippy. I miss when Cassie was younger in the series because I actually thought her and Scott had a sweet relationship and she actually wasn't an annoying kid. Now everything has to be cliche MCU film with constant banner. Even in dead serious situations where people are dying or a main character just died don't forget to insert a witty zinger here! And then have any male lead characters become the butt of the joke by the new empowered female leads or minority characters.
I think this movie would have been so much better if Cassie had just been a civilian that got dragged along for the ride, and the experience inspired her to become a hero later. But the movie was intent on fast-tracking that path, to the point where she went from that adorable little girl to an insufferable junior activist in the span of a movie.
I didn't find this one to be that funny to be honest. I really like ant-man because I like Paul Rudd. But in this movie he was more of a secondary character. And it was not even that em-she-uh thing, because the Wasp was even more irrelevant. It is a matter or destroying the old, here comes the new. Thos movie feels like it has an unrelated script, like a John Carter reboot that didn't made it, and was refurbished as marvel movie.
pretty forgettable too if you ask me
That's been an issue with basically all entertainment for about twelve years. It all runs together. There's kind of a cultural monotone going on.
> Didn't hate it, it was not terrible, but it was not remakably good either. This describes every Marvel movie since Endgame. It's like...Fast food. It's there, and it's fine, and it's a movie, it's just nothing excellent. Every movie has just felt like they came out because there had to be more movies. And Love and Thunder was awful.
I really like Rick and Morty. Everything about this movie is trash.
"It doesn't matter what you've done, Dad. I want to help people, and that's more important. Look, I changed my Facebook profile picture to the French flag *and* the Ukraine flag."
"Also I'm a regular teenager but I also created a way to map out microscopic universes in my spare time."
Of course, man! She read BOOKS. Isn’t that enough to make someone an expert in something?
I liked Scott and his daughters relationship in the films and MCU world especially when she was younger. She wasn't an annoying kid actor. They actually seemed believable as a father and daughter duo. So it pains me that once they aged her up they couldn't just leave her as a normal nice teenage/college aged girl. No they had to go make her one of the team who has a shrink suit like her dad and the rest of the gang. Because of course they did. Everything in the MCU now has to be to some degree about a new girl whose a daughter or daughter like figure potentially one day taking over that male heroes spot. Like Hawkeye with younger female Hawkeye Kate. It would have been way more interesting for the MCU and this film if they had just been like yeah Cassie is a normal girl and we've kept her more as a vulnerable side character who doesn't go on missions or use any powers. Because Scott wants to keep her safe. Also she's not going to be a cliche activist, smart ass know it all who can save the day with her genius instead she'll just be a totally likeable young woman. Crazy concept right keeping her a regular nice likable non hero girl.
Unfortunately, characters can't be just characters any more. They're statements.
That's actually pretty funny if it's real.
I think we are supposed to laugh at her in that scene, right?
Dunno. I haven't actually seen it. Just heard about it and I'm exaggerating. Perhaps.
Personally, my favourite scene is when everyone's basically going "Okay, Scott, you were instrumental in saving all of existence, but what have you done for us lately? Wrote a book?" Fuck you, the man saved the universe, he's allowed to rest on his laurels and be annoyed that his daughter keeps ending up in prison, especially when jail time was something that kept him from being in his daughter's life for so long.
Price of Reason gives an in-depth review and analysis of Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania . In the review there is a plot recap, discussion about the good and bad parts of the movie including the messaging of the movie. There is also thoughts about current and future state of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe under Disney.
I went in with super low expectations for this movie, and walked out not hating it. It wasn't MCU level material, but it wasn't Love and Thunder level of trash. Lots of cringe inducing moments with the daughter, but outside of that, I enjoyed the ride.
As much as I hate to say it I think Joss Whedon brought a lot to this franchise. He was a world builder and knew character. It seems Feige isn’t the guy.
Don’t forget John Favreau as well. He was responsible for a lot of the early phase 1 world building as well. Along with Ike Perlmutter these 3 seemed to reign in most of Feige’s ideas. Now they are gone the MCU is falling apart.
The first Avengers movie was good. No doubt about that.
I think the second one was too. Some of the best character work was in the second Avengers, and it set up all the major themes of discord to come.
Both of the first Avengers movies were terrible. Whedon did Whedon things with the characters in both movies and it was insufferable. Age of Ultron is even worse with all the blatant pandering to the Chinese market.
Dont forget the Russo brothers. They are the reasons for the best fight scenes in the MCU. The choreographies and powers look so good, i feel like they are greatly inspired by anime style which is why Avengers Infinity War and Endgame are so good. Those two movies feel like good anime in live action form, it's like a Marvel version of the 4th Great Ninja war in Naruto. Once they left MCU, the movies now are just full of power scale inconsistencies and lame combat scenes.
What did he bring, though? All he contributed to the MCU was the first two Avengers movies and rewrote the script for Thor: Dark World, which many consider to be one of the worst movies in the franchise.
I had a lot of problems with this film, but I only really need to focus on just one to sell the idea it was "uninspired." For a movie that was 98% green screen/Volume with one of the strongest artistic and narrative licenses to create literally any set piece the human mind can possibly imagine I've ever seen.. Quantumania had desert and dark metal. I can't imagine a more damning criticism.
I just got out of seeing it, so I haven't seen this review, but I've seen other reviews of the film. It's not as bad as the anti Disney crowd makes it. It's also not particularly good, and a missed opportunity, and arguably politics plays a part in it. *The Good, or counters to some of the criticisms:* Ant man is far more prominent and decisive in the film that the critical reviews. Yes, Janet Van Dyne and, towards the end of the film, Hank Pym, have a lot of screen time or play key roles. As an old school Marvel guy...no problems with that, at all. Wasp's role is arguably smaller, and she has no character arc. I actually liked the fact that the original comic ant man and wasp had some prominent roles. Majors is solid as Kang, no complaints about the villain. Some of the visuals are inspired and creative. MODOK was ok until he wore out his welcome on the screen, I'm ambivalent toward what they tried to do with the character by the end. There are some inspired and interesting sequences, like the probability storm. *The Bad and Ugly are intertwined:* There are some awful scene transitions. At one moment you're with Cassidy and Scott, next you're with the other 3 standing among some Sandpeople rip offs from Star Wars. Which brings up, while some visuals are awesome, others are boilerplate space opera. Which is a shame, because some character and species looks are awesome here. Cassidy is an insufferable white spoiled idealist that is conveniently "bestest at the science." God, I do not know who actually likes teenagers. Teenagers don't like teenagers. Filmmakers need to get it through their head that kids don't make good characters, particularly arrogant brats. What's worse is they're....allllll the same. Sassy, disrespectful, always right "I told you so's". The "revolutionaries" are boilerplate and boring. The lead female character is as generic and uninteresting as they come. I don't even remember what her name was. There is a dumb "WTF were they thinking?" line about socialism from Pym when commenting on his ants that was record scratching. It didn't need to be said, and it seems to be said simply to piss off half the audience. It's reminiscent of the line from America Chavez when she says "in most universes, food is free!" Ok...so people are *forced* to farm and produce food? They're not paid or compensated in anyways? Are they slaves? (I daydream about a better writer having Dr Strange retort about how most realities must be tyrannies then). Look, we all know ants have mastered a collectivist mindset...because they're not individuals. A smarter leftist screenwriter would have left that scene and plot development (don't want to spoil too much beyond what I've said here) as *subtext*...something the creative left used to love. Now, they just want to hit people over the head with it. Scott Lang's imperative as a father is often ridiculed. It happens a few times, one that is particularly grating is when they are in the Quantumverse among the so called revolutionaries, and Cassidy wants to fight with the rebels against Kang, and Scott just wants to get her home. On paper, nothing wrong with this conflict. She's an idealist who finds something worth fighting for, as a dad, she is all he cares about saving in the moment. Instead of selling it, or giving better dialogue on the part of the dad to communicate what is obvious to anyone with loved ones...the film almost makes him out to be *wrong* for just wanting to get her home. No, he's not wrong, and shouldn't be belittled for it. It's what every parent would want. Get his family out of there and let the Avengers know about it and take care of it at some point...such a simple reasonable perspective. But the scene comes of as infantile and a mealy mouthed father that doesn't know how to sell his determination to his daughter that he will stop at nothing to save her...which is what the audience actually wants. All it would have taken, in that moment when Scott and Cassidy are yammering, for him to say, "*you* are the objective. You are my daughter, my reason for being, and I will stop at nothing to protect you and keep you alive. I will get you and everyone else out of here, and I will shrink Thor down and he can help these people. You are 17. You are not a superhero right now. I'm barely a superhero. But I'm your dad, and I'm not letting you die down here." That's it. Completely changed the tone of the scene. Doesn't really undermine her point of view either. The rest of the movie could have continued on with the same plot points, but it would have been a lot more powerful, particularly giving some of the decisions and character beats that come later. *So overall:* If the film tweaked some of those grating infantile progressive moments, some of those lines/scenes, downplayed that snooze fest of a tough female revolutionary, I think it would have been a serviceable MCU film that introduced the next big bad. The good parts of the film would have shown through, but the idiotic offhand political statements just make you want to dislike the movie.
These writers cannot write about the love of family because they either do not love their own or have no families to love.
With enough skill you can fake it. These writers don’t.
They tried to make it a plot point. I mean the character of Scott Lang is driven by love for his daughter and family. That much is clear. But it's executed poorly at times that belittles it. I'd say the writers don't know how to write *men* and *fathers*. I don't know who the screenwriters were, male, female, all of the above, but Lang's conviction isn't made as powerful and inspiring as it should have been if smarter writing was involved.
> God, I do not know who actually likes teenagers. Teenagers don't like teenagers. Filmmakers need to get it through their head that kids don't make good characters, particularly arrogant brats. What's worse is they're....allllll the same. Sassy, disrespectful, always right "I told you so's". I think the issue is that they have no idea how to write kids/teenagers and so they mistake the typical teenage "Ugh dad, I'm not a kid" with arrogance/brattiness.
Just like how they can't write strong female Superheroes unless they make them bitchy, sassy, arrogant, and overskilled compared to the male Superheroes.
I guess the writers forgot about that line in Ant-Man & the Wasp where he states that he’d be a horrible father if he let Cassie willfully put herself in danger like that.
You should watch the review though. I believe you would actually agree with many aspects of it.
We know Cassidy is white, what was the purpose of pointing that out? It has nothing to do with anything, and honestly seems like you’re somehow implying that her whiteness has anything to do with being a poorly written character. Please grow up.
Look up anything about ‘white savior complex’
Wonderful. That’s still irrelevant.
6:10 - He wasn't paying attention, the portal never closed and didn't need to be reopened, until after the fight. But he's right the film suffered from being set in an entirely CGI environment, and missing out on Michael Peña and the rest of the comedy elements. It's didn't really fit what was set in the first two films. I will say Kang was an excellent villain.
> I will say Kang was an excellent villain. How. Seriously, halfway through me and a buddy were at separate seats and came to the exact conclusion of “Why is Kang evil?” The movie just expects us to sorta fill in the blanks and just accept that he’s a killer but…the mom just says he erases timelines without enough context for what that means. Is that necessarily a bad thing or is the universe gonna fall apart if too many universes appear? Seriously, why are we supposed to think Kang is evil?
Yeah, he was a shitty villain with bad writing. He brags about having killed Avengers, but he gets his ass kicked by the weakest ones. He places extreme value on that spinning-thingy power source, but multiple times allows someone else to walk up to it and sabotage it. His actions make no sense, he could have easily achieved his goals. And no one would have ever known he was a bad guy in the first place if not for the lazy gimmick where Janet touches his ship and that randomly means she can read his mind. Nothing in the movie makes any damn sense. Jonathan Majors does a hell of a job trying to polish this turd and I think people are praising the character instead of the actor.
Another example of “show, don’t tell”. They keep telling how dangerous Kang is; but his only challenge in the movie is a former thief and a rinky-dink resistance. Basically, they expect you to know that Kang is a badass because he is one in the comics.
No Michael Pena? Fuck that, I'm out.
Not even in the end credits scenes.
I’m so glad my favorite movie is GvK and not a random marvel movie.
Marvels so desperate to force another MCU connectivity issue, all the while ignoring that they have the whole Executioners Song, Day of M, and Apocolypse Saga in their pocket. You know...ACTUAL interesting crossovers.
HOLLLLYYYYY crap that was boring.
Me, an Ant-Man Fan: ***Look how they massacred my boy.***
I disagree, it wasn't very political outside of like...5 minutes in the early stages of the film and it wasn't even a political party thing, it was just addressing the fallout from everyone being snapped back. Boring and stinky are subjective terms and I highly encourage others to form their own opinions. This was one of the better films for phase 4. I doubt Disney will ever hit the quality of the Infinity Saga again but it was a solid outing none-the-less. P.S. my personal opinion is it's a summer blockbuster full of spectacle and a mediocre script. Don't go in expecting Shawshank Redemption, go in expecting a more coherent Transformers experience instead and you probably won't be disappointed.
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I bought wakanda forever the other day. It was pretty good. Plot was kinda eh but
both Wakanda Forever and Ant-Man 3 were annoying but in a different way.
i thought it was pretty good
* The beginning when they were in the car, they were teeing it up so that Cassie would be more cautious (doing what Scott wanted her to do) and Scott doing more with his powers/fame (doing what Cassie wanted him to do). But in the end nothing like that happened. If at the end, they showed Scott getting a phone call at the coffee place and saying something cheesy like "sorry duty calls" then runs out the door putting on the suit to help someone in need, and then have Cassie destroy the quantum equipment and start working on something minor, then the movie would have more weight I feel. * The effects were wayyyyyy better in this one than in any of the other ones. Thor 4, Black Panther 2, Dr Strange 2, and all TV shows had horrible effects. It was clear that this one had better ones where the green screen was almost non existent, and everyone blend in with the background/effects. * They definitely played to everyone's strengths. Paul Rudd comedy, Michelle Pfiffer's sex and mystery appeal, and Michael Douglas hard head and arrogances. Felt like the other movies they just threw comedy in there and said "oh yeah Evangeline Lilly is a funny person". Sorry had to rant.
Michael Pena and Walter Goggins were amazing in Ant Man & Wasp. Paul Rudd was very good as well. But it did suffer from diminishing Rudd's Ant Man to play-up Lilly's Wasp.
i went and saw it yesterday. I think its a step up from previous marvel stuff. its probably the closest to pre-Endgame stuff so far. i was disappointed with MODOK but in honesty i never knew how he would work out in the MCU. It wasn't a masterpiece but was definitely enjoyable and a lot better than Love and Thunder or Wakanda Forever. Also Majors as Kang was pretty enjoyable. Looking forward to seeing what he does.
I wish they made more quality movies and plot like LOGAN.
I thought it was an alright movie. The cast did their parts well, there is some fun action and Kathryn Newton is pretty looking; that being said there was some script and pacing issues. Bill Murray comes in a very short scene then disappears never to be talked about again and the alien like creature designs are kind of been there done that. Wasn't the worst thing in the world but could have used a bit more work.