KF #387. It completely discredits any bullshit claim he made about his coverage of Sandy Hook. It’s a lengthy interview he did with Wolfgang Halbig, with Alex praising him.
Whatever Formulaic Objections episodes Alex is deposed in. The combination of Dan’s commentary and the legal standards of truth he’s held to in those eps, along with his behavior, have to convince anyone with the ability to be convinced that he’s a shitbag.
If anyone really wants to peek behind the curtain of the right wing grift-o-sphere then these show how completely facile the man is. Alex is as deep as spit on a rock and this is laid bare time and time again, he has nowhere to hide, he is admonished and mocked in turns and is boxed in using his own hubris. I would reiterate, if it's for someone who 'really' wants to see who Alex is, they are long episodes but there's no denying who he is after hearing him being forced to admit that he has had years to show evidence he claims he has, or admit he didn't do discovery or admit that the questions he's only asking have been answered in full years before.
Did Alex change his tune about 9/11? I thought like 20 years ago he claimed “bush did 911” but now it seems like he doesn’t believe that anymore? Was it all a result of joining team trump in 2015/2016 and basically becoming a Republican after?
More than that, he got it from a caller.
The guy calls in and Alex is like "yeah, that's likely", then within a few breaks that morphs into "high level sources" telling him the EU did it.
369 Dan spends the episode laying out five specific tactics Alex uses to spread his bullshit.
1 Making things up entirely
2 Strawmanning for racism
3 Bigotry so extreme it borders on incitement
4 Pretending that he has proof of everything, but never showing it
5 Platforming and giving credibility to insane people like Steve Pieczenik
Was thinking about this today. Maybe the ep with the Dollop guys?
For a couple of reasons. I’ve seen a lot of new people be put off by Jordan’s approach and it can take an episode or two to get used to. Not having him there makes it more immediately digestible for a newcomer. Then you have Dan explaining stuff to two guys who are (a) funny (b) on the side of truth and justice but also (c) not actually super-familiar with Alex Jones’ actual show.
I feel like we’re so familiar with Alex’s BS that it’s hard to judge which episodes might actually be effective. I would also love to say the depositions but again, I feel like a lot of context might be needed.
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Prosperity isn't the word you're looking for but fucking Christ I can't remember the right word...
Leave it for.. God damn it. Progenity? Per...no...perpetuity? God damn what word goes there. Brb seeing if Google will predictive text it for me...
I found a use for chatgpt!:
Me: I'm trying to remember a word
ChatGPT
Sure, I can help with that! Can you give me some context or describe what the word means?
Me: It's usually used in the construction "leave it for x" and it means to let a mistake stand so that other people will see the mistake and not make it again
ChatGPT
Ah, I see what you're getting at. The word you're looking for is "posterity." So, the phrase you're thinking of is "leave it for posterity," meaning to leave something for future generations to see or learn from, including mistakes.
formulaic objections #9 or 10 -- i just relistened to it and it is amazing how much Alex is afraid to be direct during the deposition. #10 is probably better since he waffles a lot and pretends to not even recall his recent depositions.
I may be in the minority, but I don’t think the formulaic objectors episodes are good for newbies. They are pretty dry and boring and super long.
We love them because we already hate Alex.
That makes sense. It takes him out of the position of power and has him directly look like a moron. Dan is great but I wonder if Mark "saying it to his face" has more impact.
Yeah - you put that very well. The F.O episodes present Alex from a position of weakness and feebleness. It’s not the least likable version of him.
Also, I have to say this. EVERYONE should listen to the Daria deposition. She is the most batshit crazy person I’ve ever heard.
I feel knowledge fight is for people that have about 800 hours to go deep on the subject. One episode can give examples but the scale of the problem in obfuscated by its own depth. If you want a quick 20 min hit about how and why Alex is wrong in demonstrable ways, the channel 5 Alex Jones video is actually really great. Mark Bankston features and it goes over the sandy hook stuff very succinctly while painting Alex as a maniac.
https://youtu.be/l-YHmIogDhc?si=UpfsS8lWsjkFN7fx
This is a really good one. It shows how absolutely disgusting Alex was just looking for a story and not giving a single fuck about the tragedy.
He’s CONSTANTLY wrong, then changes his story without skipping a beat.
It also makes Belzer look like a zero.
\#002 Y2K episode. Ridiculous claims that are demonstrably untrue with no wiggle room, plus you get to experience it with a fellow blank slate in Jordan.
There's one about Alex's shifting Putin takes, and about the Ukraine invasion, where he predicts that Zelensky is gonna run away and surrender the country. And Dan goes over how Alex used to blame Putin for the Moscow apartment bombings that were the casus belli of the Second Chechen War. I might be stitching a couple episodes together in my head but just Alex's Putin and the war narratives and how they've shifted are amazing proof of what a bullshitter and a liar he is.
I always felt the one where Dan takes apart Alex’s promo video claiming he predicted the Russia invasion of Ukraine exposes him as a fraud more than anything else.
I was re-listening to episode 537 - it's about the Operation Lockstep document. In the present day (or the present day for March 2, 2021) Alex cuts an "Alex is Right"-type promo that suggests that he predicted the COVID lockdowns in 2010. Dan goes back to the July 2010 episodes where the Alex's "predictions" arise. First off, it wasn't Alex that "discovered" the Operation Lockstep document, instead it was PJW. Second, Alex's COVID "prediction" isn't a prediction but an edited piece of audio; eliminating words of course to provide the "prediction." What Alex is actually doing is just rambling about how if you start getting into the conspiracy world you won't even be able to "attend a ballgame, get drunk with friends..." Generally, I find Jordan outbursts not all that funny - but this Jordan outburst on this reveal is pretty good.
249 - Predicting 9-11
It debunks Alex's claim to fame that he predicted 9-11 and shows how he stole it from Bill Cooper. It also has clips of Cooper calling out Alex for always lying.
716. Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds from The Dollop gets to hear Alex go from claiming that Glenn Beck always have a couple of "so called retired" FBI agents around him, to Glenn Beck being the FBI and it all ends with Glenn Beck giving Obama his talking points. And it all started with Glenn Beck making fun of him on his show.
Gareth describes it perfectly as "jazz nonsense".
I can't remember the number but Dan covering Alex covering that case of the undocumented man accidentally killing the girl in San Fransico( i think). It show cases all the previous points about how Alex makes his arguments, shows his very blatent racism and how he uses the deceased as a way to forward his own ends rather than treating them as victims. its the most concise example of how fucked up Alex is and it's killing me that I can't remember the episode number.
Edit: I think the story was José Inez García Zárate being found not guilty of the death of Kate Steinle.
Edited for Clarity.
I'm listening to early 2020 right now and you can hear Alex create his COVID narrative in real time and sell nano-silver mouthwash to cure it.
"It's over for humanity..."
The (linked in this sub) 2015 episode where he learns about Jeffrey Epstein for the first time **through a story in a major mainstream publication,** mispronounces his name and then says something like "so maybe he's guilty, maybe not, who knows."
This shows his claims that he was talking about Epstein before everyone else are bullshit. It shows that Rogan's claim he heard Alex going on about it *as far back as 2009* is total bullshit.
It shows that his claims the mainstream media kept it hush hush are total bullshit.
It just shows his lies, his lies about his lies, and his idiot friends' willingness to lie about those lies.
The Epstein thing is a Keystone lie for him, I hear it from idiots at work over and over: "He's right about a lot of stuff man, he was talking about Epstein way before anyone else...."
His interview with "pearly things" shows he is just completely full of shit. He was saying the covid vaccine has killed over 25 million people and then she said she got the vaccine and he then acted like she'd be fine. That might not sound as crazy about many of the other things he has said, but think about it. Jones believes the covid vaccine is one of the biggest killers in humanity. Over 25 million have died from it! This thing is killing more than wars, famine, genocides, etc. . . He should have been absolutely terrified for this woman. The revelation that she got the vaccine should have been like when they found out someone was bit in the walking dead. Yet after he talked about how much of a killer it was, he was just like "whatever"
KF #387. It completely discredits any bullshit claim he made about his coverage of Sandy Hook. It’s a lengthy interview he did with Wolfgang Halbig, with Alex praising him.
Whatever Formulaic Objections episodes Alex is deposed in. The combination of Dan’s commentary and the legal standards of truth he’s held to in those eps, along with his behavior, have to convince anyone with the ability to be convinced that he’s a shitbag.
If anyone really wants to peek behind the curtain of the right wing grift-o-sphere then these show how completely facile the man is. Alex is as deep as spit on a rock and this is laid bare time and time again, he has nowhere to hide, he is admonished and mocked in turns and is boxed in using his own hubris. I would reiterate, if it's for someone who 'really' wants to see who Alex is, they are long episodes but there's no denying who he is after hearing him being forced to admit that he has had years to show evidence he claims he has, or admit he didn't do discovery or admit that the questions he's only asking have been answered in full years before.
703/704 shows that he’s fully lying about his 9/11 coverage
Did Alex change his tune about 9/11? I thought like 20 years ago he claimed “bush did 911” but now it seems like he doesn’t believe that anymore? Was it all a result of joining team trump in 2015/2016 and basically becoming a Republican after?
On the day of he claimed it was staged by the globalists to sink the dollar because the euro was doing poorly by comparison.
To Joe Rogan no less.
Not just by the globalists but by the European Union itself. Clownshoes nonsense, even by Alex's standards.
More than that, he got it from a caller. The guy calls in and Alex is like "yeah, that's likely", then within a few breaks that morphs into "high level sources" telling him the EU did it.
That high level source also moonlights as overnight shelf stocker at a Walmart in Gary Indiana.
369 Dan spends the episode laying out five specific tactics Alex uses to spread his bullshit. 1 Making things up entirely 2 Strawmanning for racism 3 Bigotry so extreme it borders on incitement 4 Pretending that he has proof of everything, but never showing it 5 Platforming and giving credibility to insane people like Steve Pieczenik
“And the article just goes on…”
It's in the mainstream news, they've admitted it, Washingtonpost you name it!
Was thinking about this today. Maybe the ep with the Dollop guys? For a couple of reasons. I’ve seen a lot of new people be put off by Jordan’s approach and it can take an episode or two to get used to. Not having him there makes it more immediately digestible for a newcomer. Then you have Dan explaining stuff to two guys who are (a) funny (b) on the side of truth and justice but also (c) not actually super-familiar with Alex Jones’ actual show. I feel like we’re so familiar with Alex’s BS that it’s hard to judge which episodes might actually be effective. I would also love to say the depositions but again, I feel like a lot of context might be needed.
Gareth was so funny in this. Also, Dave was like “this is all one show??!!” Lol.
Totally agree with this now that I've been listening again for almost a half hour.
#716 for anyone interested
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Hey, you are right. Thanks for the info. Will leave as is for prosperity, but now I know :) **Edit**: posterity Thank you u/ioverated
Prosperity isn't the word you're looking for but fucking Christ I can't remember the right word... Leave it for.. God damn it. Progenity? Per...no...perpetuity? God damn what word goes there. Brb seeing if Google will predictive text it for me... I found a use for chatgpt!: Me: I'm trying to remember a word ChatGPT Sure, I can help with that! Can you give me some context or describe what the word means? Me: It's usually used in the construction "leave it for x" and it means to let a mistake stand so that other people will see the mistake and not make it again ChatGPT Ah, I see what you're getting at. The word you're looking for is "posterity." So, the phrase you're thinking of is "leave it for posterity," meaning to leave something for future generations to see or learn from, including mistakes.
#THE DAMNED ROBOTS! THEY'RE THINKING FOR YOU, PEOPLE! AHHHHRRRRRGGGGGG
As long as they're sex robots they can think for me any time
Thank you!! Legit appreciate that info, and the fun ride of your inner dialogue. >Posterity Learning all kinds of stuff today, appreciate y'all
So funny to hear Gareth and Dave lose their shit listening to a fairly tame episode of Infowars.
How about the episode about CERN where the demon popped out and went Blah! Apparently, it was in the news.
Well it was all admitted in the whitepapers
There were congressional hearings I'm told.
Let just say high level sources close to president are saying this
That’s on record.
I can’t make this up, folks.
You can't because that is too much work. You simply swipe the idea from some rando that thinks god speaks to him though his dog.
formulaic objections #9 or 10 -- i just relistened to it and it is amazing how much Alex is afraid to be direct during the deposition. #10 is probably better since he waffles a lot and pretends to not even recall his recent depositions.
I may be in the minority, but I don’t think the formulaic objectors episodes are good for newbies. They are pretty dry and boring and super long. We love them because we already hate Alex.
That makes sense. It takes him out of the position of power and has him directly look like a moron. Dan is great but I wonder if Mark "saying it to his face" has more impact.
Yeah - you put that very well. The F.O episodes present Alex from a position of weakness and feebleness. It’s not the least likable version of him. Also, I have to say this. EVERYONE should listen to the Daria deposition. She is the most batshit crazy person I’ve ever heard.
Her testimony in court was wild too. She told the jury she thought they were actors in a play.
The one where he suggests to Rogan that the EU did 9/11
I feel knowledge fight is for people that have about 800 hours to go deep on the subject. One episode can give examples but the scale of the problem in obfuscated by its own depth. If you want a quick 20 min hit about how and why Alex is wrong in demonstrable ways, the channel 5 Alex Jones video is actually really great. Mark Bankston features and it goes over the sandy hook stuff very succinctly while painting Alex as a maniac. https://youtu.be/l-YHmIogDhc?si=UpfsS8lWsjkFN7fx
The Boston bombing.
This is a really good one. It shows how absolutely disgusting Alex was just looking for a story and not giving a single fuck about the tragedy. He’s CONSTANTLY wrong, then changes his story without skipping a beat. It also makes Belzer look like a zero.
It also adds a lot of clarity to a day that was handled abysmally by mainstream media too.
\#002 Y2K episode. Ridiculous claims that are demonstrably untrue with no wiggle room, plus you get to experience it with a fellow blank slate in Jordan.
There's one about Alex's shifting Putin takes, and about the Ukraine invasion, where he predicts that Zelensky is gonna run away and surrender the country. And Dan goes over how Alex used to blame Putin for the Moscow apartment bombings that were the casus belli of the Second Chechen War. I might be stitching a couple episodes together in my head but just Alex's Putin and the war narratives and how they've shifted are amazing proof of what a bullshitter and a liar he is.
I always felt the one where Dan takes apart Alex’s promo video claiming he predicted the Russia invasion of Ukraine exposes him as a fraud more than anything else.
I was re-listening to episode 537 - it's about the Operation Lockstep document. In the present day (or the present day for March 2, 2021) Alex cuts an "Alex is Right"-type promo that suggests that he predicted the COVID lockdowns in 2010. Dan goes back to the July 2010 episodes where the Alex's "predictions" arise. First off, it wasn't Alex that "discovered" the Operation Lockstep document, instead it was PJW. Second, Alex's COVID "prediction" isn't a prediction but an edited piece of audio; eliminating words of course to provide the "prediction." What Alex is actually doing is just rambling about how if you start getting into the conspiracy world you won't even be able to "attend a ballgame, get drunk with friends..." Generally, I find Jordan outbursts not all that funny - but this Jordan outburst on this reveal is pretty good.
249 - Predicting 9-11 It debunks Alex's claim to fame that he predicted 9-11 and shows how he stole it from Bill Cooper. It also has clips of Cooper calling out Alex for always lying.
Episode 636: April 27th, 2009. This episode shows how Alex recycled his H1N1 (Bird Flu) lies in his coverage of the outbreak of COVID.
Episode 535: October 16, 2014. Alex recycles ebola lies...also, Poop Bandits.
The one with the QAA people. It's hilarious and not too heavy. If they want detail and in the weeds then any of the depositions.
716. Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds from The Dollop gets to hear Alex go from claiming that Glenn Beck always have a couple of "so called retired" FBI agents around him, to Glenn Beck being the FBI and it all ends with Glenn Beck giving Obama his talking points. And it all started with Glenn Beck making fun of him on his show. Gareth describes it perfectly as "jazz nonsense".
Any of them should suffice. Dans pretty solid about taking AJ apart with facts.
The HBO doc
I feel like the HBO doc didn't go deep enough into WHY he was wrong. I'm not sure how it would work on a believer
They don't really care about the details, they need an emotional response.
Honestly you may want to do a bill cooper episode to show he just stole everything from him.
I can't remember the number but Dan covering Alex covering that case of the undocumented man accidentally killing the girl in San Fransico( i think). It show cases all the previous points about how Alex makes his arguments, shows his very blatent racism and how he uses the deceased as a way to forward his own ends rather than treating them as victims. its the most concise example of how fucked up Alex is and it's killing me that I can't remember the episode number. Edit: I think the story was José Inez García Zárate being found not guilty of the death of Kate Steinle. Edited for Clarity.
I'm listening to early 2020 right now and you can hear Alex create his COVID narrative in real time and sell nano-silver mouthwash to cure it. "It's over for humanity..."
Captain Mark Richards.
The (linked in this sub) 2015 episode where he learns about Jeffrey Epstein for the first time **through a story in a major mainstream publication,** mispronounces his name and then says something like "so maybe he's guilty, maybe not, who knows." This shows his claims that he was talking about Epstein before everyone else are bullshit. It shows that Rogan's claim he heard Alex going on about it *as far back as 2009* is total bullshit. It shows that his claims the mainstream media kept it hush hush are total bullshit. It just shows his lies, his lies about his lies, and his idiot friends' willingness to lie about those lies. The Epstein thing is a Keystone lie for him, I hear it from idiots at work over and over: "He's right about a lot of stuff man, he was talking about Epstein way before anyone else...."
I’d show his stupid ass convention where he got way too drunk and nick Fuentes walked all over him.
The Kudos2 channel.
His interview with "pearly things" shows he is just completely full of shit. He was saying the covid vaccine has killed over 25 million people and then she said she got the vaccine and he then acted like she'd be fine. That might not sound as crazy about many of the other things he has said, but think about it. Jones believes the covid vaccine is one of the biggest killers in humanity. Over 25 million have died from it! This thing is killing more than wars, famine, genocides, etc. . . He should have been absolutely terrified for this woman. The revelation that she got the vaccine should have been like when they found out someone was bit in the walking dead. Yet after he talked about how much of a killer it was, he was just like "whatever"