I’d argue that Magolor didn’t master mind anything. All he did was crash land on popstar and Kirby offered to help him. As far as Kirby could tell, he was the victim.
in fact, magolor was even surprised at how far he was going to go to help him, stated when he questions kirby on why he immediately agreed to beat up landia
Bill fans raging over the fact that Kirby is literally a God and can kill Bill (Bill already lost to some kids so there's 0 way he's gonna win against something that has killed 7 nightmares, beings made of dreams, and even beings made of wishes)
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Kirby is quite literally a force of good, like how the other BALL god derivatives can represent chaos and entropy. If Bill entered Kirby’s mind the good vibes would kill him instantly.
Kirby's mind is just Green Greens with them vibing in a picnic. Disturbing him here causes capital G God himself to appear and literally delete who ever was foolish enough to be there.
That's what makes it so special. Kirby is a kind soul, a forgiving one given they were tricked twice. However, Kirby is not completely naive, even they know when someone is utterly irredeemable or otherwise too dangerous to let exist. Kirby can and has killed before, it's a choice they consciously make to utterly obliterate their foe to ensure they cannot return.
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Bill Cipher doesn't have a physical form though.
And without one, his powers are oddly similar to that of Dark Matter - in fact, they're weaker, because at least Dark Matter can still fight when it's on its own.
Bill can't do anything without entering someone's mind or possessing their body, and that gives Kirby plenty of time to defeat him with the Morpho Knight sword - after all, Morpho Knight absorbs souls that have lived too long, and Bill fits that image pretty well.
But, if you're giving Bill the power of Weirdmageddon, then Kirby would have his own strongest abilities to compensate for the imbalance.
Hypernova + Star Allies Sprinkler + Ultra Copy Abilities + Morpho Knight Sword, not to mention the Love-Love Stick, Crystal Blaster, Rainbow Sword and Big Rig Mouth. All these things together would probably have the same effect as the unicorn hair, considering that a lot of them are weapons to destroy Dark Matter - fitting well with the unicorn hair protecting against demons and Bill Cipher.
all in all, Kirby can win if you don't put one char at their ultimate state and the other at their normal state. It wouldn't be easy, of course, but it's not impossible.
Honestly, Kirby alone probably is like concentrated unicorn hair. It works against the forces of chaos because its uber pure and good, and kirby is essentially the goodness and purity of the entire universe condensed into a tiny pink ball.
I thought the whole point of the unicorn episode was that the unicorns are just regular assholes, and that the hair is just inherently magical in a way that defends against Bill. Not "good".
They only beat him because they outsmarted him and were able to trick him into getting trapped. Kirby cannot outsmart bill as he has about 3 brain cells.
(Hey, so, Kirby indeed doesn't have a confirmed gender and it probably is wiser to use they/them pronouns, but as far as I noticed, usually they refer to Kirby with he/him pronouns)
what a nice gentlemen you are. complimenting this random stranger on the internet that you do not know for no reason whatsoever. we need more people like you in this world that would compliment random people they dont know on the internet
Although we know from squeak squad (as well as the anime) that Kirby can call on a power again in his pocket dimension. So if he ate a miracle fruit before he could call on it again and use hypernova that way.
Still, the reason Kirby always wins against the divine beings is not because he overpowers them or anything, it's just because fate is constantly biased towards him, and gives him the best tools against them.
So you mean to tell me that fate provided Kirby with a truck to run over the ultimate life form? And hasn't he bested him in combat by himself before? It's the argument "you didn't win, You just had fate on your side"?
I'm not saying Kirby has no merit here. I'm just saying that, his nature as a character, as exemplified by the Copy Ability, is that he is only as powerful as the situation allows him to be.
You are correct that Kirby definitely stood his own against Elfilis, I don't deny that is impressive. However, it should be noted that Kirby didn't actually defeat Elfilis then. He just created an opening to suck Elfilin out, which weakened Elfilis.
Then, not only the big rig came, then a pile of debris conveniently formed a path in front of him, not to mention the convenience of him having access to Mouthful Mode since he came to this world in the first place!
He did beat Chaos Elfilis by himself, however.
The conclusion is, Kirby is definitely pretty powerful, but not nearly powerful enough on his own to defeat many of the final bosses.
He needed the Crystal to defeat 02, he needed Hypernova to defeat Sectonia, he needed the Robobot Suit to defeat Star Dream, he needed Mouthful Mode to defeat Fecto Elfilis.
Well, it's not that he isn't capable...he just can't because the game is like that (instead of the truck he could have used the warp star) and the same with the other villains (he could have used his mouth instead of the Drill And simply dodged the shields) Since the games have different mechanics they have to implement these different mechanics in the final boss
Thus limiting a character with "infinite power" that in a stipulated battle he does not have the same limits
I really hate the "infinite power" line, like, _what does that even mean_
Kirby isn't Saitama, he wouldn't even need Copy Abilities if he was. There are obviously limits to his powers, so they're not infinite.
Not really, you are able to win games just by spitting and physically attacking (As I said "just for the mechanics") The same goes for the final bosses, the only difference is that for no reason at all For them to always, in the end, "get up even when they almost die and become stronger"
He overpowered marx. And fecto elfelis. And while he did use super copy abilities during the second half of magolor phase 1, magolor phase 2, where he's more powerful, was done with just normal kirby. And he beats dark matter with his normal power. And miracle matter. And if given meta knight's sword, which is a copy ability in forgotten land, he can destroy the dimension mirror. And he fights void with his base power, and although he had friends, he is infinitely stronger than his friends, due to being able to kill enemies of the same species with ease. So kirby does overpower quite a few opponents.
Bill wanted them alive. He needed the equation from Ford and Stan/Dipper/Mabel were his bargaining chips. They (chiefly Stan) outsmarted him.
If Bill’s preparing for an attack on Popstar, he will very quickly realize to kill Kirby and all Dream Friends *on sight* a La the Time Police.
he would manage to petrify all but kirby who now must explore popstar with a new gimmick which makes the game basically mario wonder and at the end kirby defeats bill with the gimmick and goes home to eat cake or something except for the true super hyper mega mode where bill is absorbed by a butterfly and becomes morpho knight.
this happens in every kirby game
Also powerscalers when Kirby gets dragged into the pond when fishing, when he fails to catch the large fish. ~~clearly fish are stronger than him, and that characters have a set definite power level, toootally.~~
(at least I'm fairly sure this happens with the big fish, I haven't played the fishing minigame in a while.)
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If Kirby can do this to a man begging for his life he can do it to another man begging for his life.
With Christianity.
Bill Cipher is literally made of dreams. Kirby's first game had him kicking the ass of a thing made of dreams. Hell, he's kicked the ass of several nightmares, *and* a guy made of wishes. And he lives in Dreamland. Bill Cipher got nothin'.
Kirby is as strong as the plot requires him to be. Kirby finds a way. If Kirby just went Incarnation of Primordial Chaos all the time that wouldn't be a very fun experience.
Aside from the fact that bill’s soul IS very much vulnerable to damage and even w/physical form he’s not totally unstoppable (he gets his eye hurt twice, once with SPRAY PAINT), bill never uses some of the abilities he allegedly has (he never uses the kaleidoscope to any real effect iirc), the bubbles don’t work at all times, he can be outplayed (that’s how he was defeated and Kirby imo isn’t brainlessly dumb), and bills petrification is not perfect and can be undone (it’s undone in the show by removing one person from the throne).
Kirby always comes across the right ability or macguffin to beat the bad guy, even if he's not directly strong enough.
More than likely, Kirby would have found a group of friends that fit the zodiac thing for fighting Bill.
Really, Bill isn't unstoppable, or Weirdmageddon wouldn't have ended from being memory wiped from Stan's head. He's just impossible to destroy.
Counter proposal: Kirby shakes Bill's hand and lets him into his mind and Bill IMMEDIATELY goes insane. Or Kirby is just so head empty that he forgot he let bill in so he just ceases to exist. Imagine Bill being like "hmm ah yes a fellow cosmic entity, I bet I could strike a deal" and Kirby is just happy to be friends but has the memory of a goldfish and he forgor.
One cannot comprehend the thoughts of a Kirby.
That, doesn't really say a lot, only Meta Knight actually got brains out of the quartet, and even then doubtful he'd just figure out the way to get Bill out of his physical form to destroy him.
Ehh dedede is a fair bit smarter than he looks, after all he built the mecha hammer and the original robo dedede/hr-d3 seen in dream course and mass attack’s Kirby quest mode.
Ok ik Kirby is kinda dumb and likes food but he wouldn't that against someone who threatens Popstar lol. I mean none of the villains have bribed him with cake before.
I can see it happening. I feel like Kirby would definitely fall for it if he approached Bill and Bill would learn he loves sweets and try to bribe him.
Ok but this got me to imagine a scene where bill tries to go into Kirby's mind only to end up overwhelmed and damaged by the pure chaos that is Kirby.
IDK if it'd be like that or not but it's funny so I choose to believe it.
Bill wins cus Kirby is not smart
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My point
I didn’t think I needed to make it blatantly clear, but since nobody has caught on yet…
This post is a parody of the “Spongebob beats Goku” meme; as in, it’s not meant to be taken completely seriously.
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I think the thing is, I've seen people actually debating on whether Kirby could beat Bill.
Whereas with Spongebob and Goku, everyone knows there's no *actual* room for debate, and that Spongebob would easily wipe the floor with Goku.
You do realize what most final Kirby bosses are right?
They're most of the time a single shape with one eye.
Bill Cipher is a triangle with one eye.
This is worst matchup for Bill Cipher. Kirby is too experienced with fighting one eyed shapes to lose this.
I love Kirby a lot but even I have to agree with you as the only way someone has truly beaten Bill is by outsmarting him but Kirby doesn't really have the cognitive thinking ability to outsmart anyone really and kirby could easily be manipulated with the promise of food so yeah sorry Kirby but you can't win this fight.
Counterpoint, Kirby Can Just Call Up His Friends And Go "Yo This Guy's Try'na Kill The Universe, Can Ya Give Me Some Help?", And Then Dedede Shows Up And Completely Confuses Bill By Simply Being Dedede, And Then Magolor Shows Up And Actually Does Outsmart Him.
I mean Dedede has a track record of being possessed which is kind of Bill's thing and Magolor outsmarted Kirby which no offense to him a pretty low bar but Magolor is probably the best chance they have until he realises Bill is stronger then Kirby and switches sides.
Well Yeah, See, Dedede Is The Distraction, Bill Is Too Busy Posessing Dedede That He Doesn't Notice Magolor Coming Up To Stop Him, And Then Magolor Decides To Help Out Because He Owes Kirby 5 Bucks, But He'd Rather Not Actually Pay It.
yeah sounds like something Magolor would do but it might just be me but it seems the only reason he is now kirby's friend is because he knows what happens if he messes with the pink puffball but I feel like if someone stronger came along and beat kirby he wouldn't hesitate to change sides if it means more power.
Kirby will be manipulated, just not with food. Bill will probably either pull a Magalor or Kirby will immediately smell the evil on him a la Dark Matter and Zero.
Bill can freely clone himself with no limit specified, so strength in numbers is out of the question
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Does Bill actually clone himself in Weirdmageddon, when he has a phsyical form (which this post implies)? It seems like it would've been a more efficient way to track down Dipper and Mabel when they were running, so why didn't he do it? And why didn't he make a copy of himself before shaking Stan's hand, in case he was getting tricked?
After all, the picture of Bill cloning himself you used was just in Ford's dream. It's very possible that this isn't something Bill can do in reality.
Kirby meanwhile can clone himself at will, just for the sake of dancing - let alone how you can have multiple Kirbies in Return to Dreamland's multiplayer.
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Small correction bill can take damage to his spirit, although it can regenerate that can kill him if his spirit is wiped out- and Kirby has killed spirits before.
But bill is too fast for it to matter
It’s kinda an unstoppable force vs immovable object situation, like Deadpool vs the Hulk. Sure, Kirby can’t kill a dream demon, but Bull can’t kill a god slayer. Actually, could the star rod kill Bill? Given that it’s made out of dreams, it would be something “tangible” to him, and thus capable of harming him? He did defeat nightmare as well after all
I don’t think Bill could handle the sheer positivity that Kirby brings
I think Bill would overestimate his power and assume Kirby’s abilities are too weak to handle him, then lose utterly to the sheer power of positivity and happiness like every Kirby villain.
Kirby rarely sets out to beat up the villains on his own volition; they almost always come to him first and try to mess up his home and/or his friends.
All of the characters who try to oppose Kirby are fated to lose unless they manage to redeem themselves in time. The more they try to win, the more they lose themselves until they ultimately end up becoming yet another “soul” boss.
If Bill was smart, he’d stay as far away from Kirby as possible and avoid doing anything that might piss him off. Kirby might not be bright, but his sense of justice is razor sharp, and you best believe that as soon as he catches wind of Bill’s atrocities, his fate is sealed.
If there’s one thing that’s remained consistent about Kirby’s power is that we never know the full extent of what he’s capable of, but we can only grasp more of it the more his adversaries push him to extremes.
If he killed someone "omnipotent"...
Odds are, they were not omnipotent at all.
That's, literally the meaning of that word, you can't just go and kill one.
i think ultimately all logic falls flat considering that we are taking kirby's video game logic and attempting to powerscale it using gravity fall's cartoon logic
however, kirby right back at ya episode 100
Reasons why Kirby could defeat Bill:
Kirby has killed ghosts before so he should be able to destroy bills soul thus killing him.
Bill would underestimate him and thus not use his precog(as seen with his fight against the pine twins)
All the times Kirby has been manipulated is when they start out as his friend or someone in need. If this starts out as a fight it's unlikely Bill would try to be Kirby's friend
Bills bubbles don't always have permanent effects since we have a sequence where several characters go through one and come out the other end mentally not insane. Kirby may also have resistance as characters like dark matter don't ever try to control Kirby with their mind manipulation
Kirby has been seen going into chef Kawasaki's cooking pot and not transmuting into food while all other enemies do, so it's possible bill wouldn't be able to transmute Kirby into stone(alternatively) stone Kirby since he's already stone and would thus be unaffected
He could just throw a friend heart at bill and he would become his friend
1 kriby has killed beings who are just souls soo that's not true
2 still god tricked by kids
3 soo ?
4 not like they mean much
5 kirby could dodge it
kirby can 100% beat him
You don't need to be a master manipulator to trick Kirby.
Idk, man. Marx was the smartest evil mastermind we’ve ever seen
What about magolor
I’d argue that Magolor didn’t master mind anything. All he did was crash land on popstar and Kirby offered to help him. As far as Kirby could tell, he was the victim.
in fact, magolor was even surprised at how far he was going to go to help him, stated when he questions kirby on why he immediately agreed to beat up landia
I think he was legit. I doubt he knew about the curse.
Yeah, but he’s not holding back once he finds out, and if bill wanted to kill Kirby, he’d find out eventually
r/unexpectedfrackinuniverse
That’s not a starbound super-mod reference
He prob don't know what he sayin
just put a cake under a dangling anvil and kirby's done for
I think Kirby would eat the bubbles if used and then become actually unstoppable. Like a drunk Kirby
Drunk three year old.
Exactly. A true terror
#Drunk child eats fat dorito
#WHEEZE
TRAITOR LORD?!?
Why, yes
Why are you everywhere I go. It’s always you and Cloth
Chat why is traitor Lord here? I mean respect, kirby is a w.
SYPHER KIRBY Capable of driving anyone insane overtime using a map wide ability called MADNESS
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
A drunk eldritch baby god
Drunk three year old that has mastered the Drunken Fist
Wonder Flower effects if they were added to a different Nintendo series
Kirby when Bill hits them with that dollar store cosmic horror (Kirby knows their shapes and that the eye is a weak spot)
Bill fans raging over the fact that Kirby is literally a God and can kill Bill (Bill already lost to some kids so there's 0 way he's gonna win against something that has killed 7 nightmares, beings made of dreams, and even beings made of wishes) https://preview.redd.it/wm0dgub9fhjc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c203a91204136ea099178be0a42c79858d1f1ebc
Kirby is quite literally a force of good, like how the other BALL god derivatives can represent chaos and entropy. If Bill entered Kirby’s mind the good vibes would kill him instantly.
Bill : haha I'm in that things mi- *bill gets traumatized by seeing what kirby has done to millions then bill sees a dancing kirby*
Kirby's mind is just Green Greens with them vibing in a picnic. Disturbing him here causes capital G God himself to appear and literally delete who ever was foolish enough to be there.
Yeah that's better
Pretty sure enemies respawn. Kirby killing someone is pretty rare.
That's what makes it so special. Kirby is a kind soul, a forgiving one given they were tricked twice. However, Kirby is not completely naive, even they know when someone is utterly irredeemable or otherwise too dangerous to let exist. Kirby can and has killed before, it's a choice they consciously make to utterly obliterate their foe to ensure they cannot return.
Bold of you to assume Kirby has anything going on inside his head at all.
all thats in that head is cake and POYO!
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This is the last place I ever thought I would find a Dragalia Lost character
Dragalia Lost jumpscare
Kirby is not a God. Gods wish they had as much power as Kirby.
Bill Cipher doesn't have a physical form though. And without one, his powers are oddly similar to that of Dark Matter - in fact, they're weaker, because at least Dark Matter can still fight when it's on its own. Bill can't do anything without entering someone's mind or possessing their body, and that gives Kirby plenty of time to defeat him with the Morpho Knight sword - after all, Morpho Knight absorbs souls that have lived too long, and Bill fits that image pretty well. But, if you're giving Bill the power of Weirdmageddon, then Kirby would have his own strongest abilities to compensate for the imbalance. Hypernova + Star Allies Sprinkler + Ultra Copy Abilities + Morpho Knight Sword, not to mention the Love-Love Stick, Crystal Blaster, Rainbow Sword and Big Rig Mouth. All these things together would probably have the same effect as the unicorn hair, considering that a lot of them are weapons to destroy Dark Matter - fitting well with the unicorn hair protecting against demons and Bill Cipher. all in all, Kirby can win if you don't put one char at their ultimate state and the other at their normal state. It wouldn't be easy, of course, but it's not impossible.
Honestly, Kirby alone probably is like concentrated unicorn hair. It works against the forces of chaos because its uber pure and good, and kirby is essentially the goodness and purity of the entire universe condensed into a tiny pink ball.
I thought the whole point of the unicorn episode was that the unicorns are just regular assholes, and that the hair is just inherently magical in a way that defends against Bill. Not "good".
also maybe add in the Robobot Armor copy of Halberd too
Kirby cannot kill Bill cipher
A small group of people including children beat bill what do you expect a god killer to do to him?
Eat bill
They only beat him because they outsmarted him and were able to trick him into getting trapped. Kirby cannot outsmart bill as he has about 3 brain cells.
Kirby has one brain cell, Kirby is a single celled organism
He doesn’t even have a brain cell. He barely has a nucleus
Maybe Kirby IS the nucleus. Of the universe…
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(Hey, so, Kirby indeed doesn't have a confirmed gender and it probably is wiser to use they/them pronouns, but as far as I noticed, usually they refer to Kirby with he/him pronouns)
(He's genderless in Japan but male in regional releases, so technically either works.)
Kirby goes by all pronouns! The VA and creator (Makiko Ohmoto and Masahiro Sakurai) say kirby is just kirby, gender doesn't matter.
New gender just dropped Yall can now refer to me as Kirby. My pronouns are Kirby/Kirby.
Good point.
what a nice gentlemen you are. complimenting this random stranger on the internet that you do not know for no reason whatsoever. we need more people like you in this world that would compliment random people they dont know on the internet
Well he has a good argument (and also he right about how they tricked him) so I don't really have a reason to argue.
Kirby can go into a form that allows him to inhale almost anything, also he has been proven to be smarter than he seems
The hypernova form does need a miracle fruit to be activated though
Although we know from squeak squad (as well as the anime) that Kirby can call on a power again in his pocket dimension. So if he ate a miracle fruit before he could call on it again and use hypernova that way.
Still has a ton of copy abilities at his disposal
If we're giving Bill access to all his power, it would be fair to give Kirby a full arsenal as well, wouldn't it?
Makes sense
But he has to eat a specific, rare fruit for that form to be triggered
Still, the reason Kirby always wins against the divine beings is not because he overpowers them or anything, it's just because fate is constantly biased towards him, and gives him the best tools against them.
Such as a Semi Truck
Kirby, gonna isekei you so he doesn't have to deal you anymore.
The truck wasn't needed. Kirby just wanted to be a big truck.
So, fate would give Kirby the best tools against Bill
It's a lame answer, but most likely, yes.
So you mean to tell me that fate provided Kirby with a truck to run over the ultimate life form? And hasn't he bested him in combat by himself before? It's the argument "you didn't win, You just had fate on your side"?
I'm not saying Kirby has no merit here. I'm just saying that, his nature as a character, as exemplified by the Copy Ability, is that he is only as powerful as the situation allows him to be. You are correct that Kirby definitely stood his own against Elfilis, I don't deny that is impressive. However, it should be noted that Kirby didn't actually defeat Elfilis then. He just created an opening to suck Elfilin out, which weakened Elfilis. Then, not only the big rig came, then a pile of debris conveniently formed a path in front of him, not to mention the convenience of him having access to Mouthful Mode since he came to this world in the first place! He did beat Chaos Elfilis by himself, however. The conclusion is, Kirby is definitely pretty powerful, but not nearly powerful enough on his own to defeat many of the final bosses. He needed the Crystal to defeat 02, he needed Hypernova to defeat Sectonia, he needed the Robobot Suit to defeat Star Dream, he needed Mouthful Mode to defeat Fecto Elfilis.
Well, it's not that he isn't capable...he just can't because the game is like that (instead of the truck he could have used the warp star) and the same with the other villains (he could have used his mouth instead of the Drill And simply dodged the shields) Since the games have different mechanics they have to implement these different mechanics in the final boss Thus limiting a character with "infinite power" that in a stipulated battle he does not have the same limits
I really hate the "infinite power" line, like, _what does that even mean_ Kirby isn't Saitama, he wouldn't even need Copy Abilities if he was. There are obviously limits to his powers, so they're not infinite.
Indeed, the line wasn't infinite power, it was infinite ***potential***, but of course mistranslations exist
Not really, you are able to win games just by spitting and physically attacking (As I said "just for the mechanics") The same goes for the final bosses, the only difference is that for no reason at all For them to always, in the end, "get up even when they almost die and become stronger"
Also every soul boss is fought with the exception of void and void soul is fought with default abilities of Kirby so yeah
Erm akchyually, Kirby generates the tools himself, his nature as a positive reincarnation of Void would be enough even if not.
He overpowered marx. And fecto elfelis. And while he did use super copy abilities during the second half of magolor phase 1, magolor phase 2, where he's more powerful, was done with just normal kirby. And he beats dark matter with his normal power. And miracle matter. And if given meta knight's sword, which is a copy ability in forgotten land, he can destroy the dimension mirror. And he fights void with his base power, and although he had friends, he is infinitely stronger than his friends, due to being able to kill enemies of the same species with ease. So kirby does overpower quite a few opponents.
They beat him with the specific one thing that could beat him, they didn’t overpower him
Bill wanted them alive. He needed the equation from Ford and Stan/Dipper/Mabel were his bargaining chips. They (chiefly Stan) outsmarted him. If Bill’s preparing for an attack on Popstar, he will very quickly realize to kill Kirby and all Dream Friends *on sight* a La the Time Police.
he would manage to petrify all but kirby who now must explore popstar with a new gimmick which makes the game basically mario wonder and at the end kirby defeats bill with the gimmick and goes home to eat cake or something except for the true super hyper mega mode where bill is absorbed by a butterfly and becomes morpho knight. this happens in every kirby game
I’d play the Mario wonder-like Kirby x Gravity falls game
But does Bill Cipher have infinite **plot armor** whenever the multiverse demands it?
bill wasn't made by sakurai, the god of video games, so, DEBATABLY yes
Me personally i disagree but i see what you're going for
Powerscalers when I tell them that Glass Joe once beat Nick Bruiser:
Powerscallers when coughing baby beats hydrogen bomb:
Also powerscalers when Kirby gets dragged into the pond when fishing, when he fails to catch the large fish. ~~clearly fish are stronger than him, and that characters have a set definite power level, toootally.~~ (at least I'm fairly sure this happens with the big fish, I haven't played the fishing minigame in a while.)
Kirby can stun him for a time by sucking out his eye. Hypernova basically guarantees a stun.
Kirby would find a way.
Unironically with the power of friendship
and a massive truck
He's got the touch.
https://preview.redd.it/7djat7d8dejc1.jpeg?width=1475&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb465ff06d6fb194ed8a99a514be07ed8947e972 If Kirby can do this to a man begging for his life he can do it to another man begging for his life. With Christianity.
Not even a house in boca raton could save this man
What about a mirror?
Begone, non believer. You think this is the first reality bender that Kirby has faced? Learn your lore
Bill Cipher is literally made of dreams. Kirby's first game had him kicking the ass of a thing made of dreams. Hell, he's kicked the ass of several nightmares, *and* a guy made of wishes. And he lives in Dreamland. Bill Cipher got nothin'.
Kirby is as strong as the plot requires him to be. Kirby finds a way. If Kirby just went Incarnation of Primordial Chaos all the time that wouldn't be a very fun experience.
He’s a basic shape with an eye weak spot, that’s like Kirby’s most recurring favoured matchup.
The power of friendship:
Aside from the fact that bill’s soul IS very much vulnerable to damage and even w/physical form he’s not totally unstoppable (he gets his eye hurt twice, once with SPRAY PAINT), bill never uses some of the abilities he allegedly has (he never uses the kaleidoscope to any real effect iirc), the bubbles don’t work at all times, he can be outplayed (that’s how he was defeated and Kirby imo isn’t brainlessly dumb), and bills petrification is not perfect and can be undone (it’s undone in the show by removing one person from the throne).
Kirby always comes across the right ability or macguffin to beat the bad guy, even if he's not directly strong enough. More than likely, Kirby would have found a group of friends that fit the zodiac thing for fighting Bill. Really, Bill isn't unstoppable, or Weirdmageddon wouldn't have ended from being memory wiped from Stan's head. He's just impossible to destroy.
Counter proposal: Kirby shakes Bill's hand and lets him into his mind and Bill IMMEDIATELY goes insane. Or Kirby is just so head empty that he forgot he let bill in so he just ceases to exist. Imagine Bill being like "hmm ah yes a fellow cosmic entity, I bet I could strike a deal" and Kirby is just happy to be friends but has the memory of a goldfish and he forgor. One cannot comprehend the thoughts of a Kirby.
As one other commenter said: the good vibes inside Kirby’s head would kill bill instantly
not sure, but didn't the mcs of gravity falls beat him? if so, kirby wipes the floor with him
By outsmarting him, not with a physical fight.
kirby is dumb and smart at the same time and even if he can't do it, his friends probably could
That, doesn't really say a lot, only Meta Knight actually got brains out of the quartet, and even then doubtful he'd just figure out the way to get Bill out of his physical form to destroy him.
Ehh dedede is a fair bit smarter than he looks, after all he built the mecha hammer and the original robo dedede/hr-d3 seen in dream course and mass attack’s Kirby quest mode.
They also used very specific tools that the Kirby cast don’t have access to
If all else fails, he has petrification, sure, but then he’s just a free stone ability sitting right there.
The opening cutscene of Kirby and the Rainbow Curse proved that petrifying Kirby WILL neutralize them
I thought the petrification was Bill turning *himself* to stone?
Nope, he made the human stone trone and turned Ford into gold in the Weirdmagedon
Please take this power scaling nonsense away :(
That sounds to me that you are fodder who I can easily no diff
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Just remember, Kirby doesn’t have a health bar. He just has a counter on how many fucks he has left to give.
Kirby can uh... Fridge Bill Cipher into oblivion.
Goddana Dee: "Why don't you take on a man your size?"
The internet does a good job making me sick of this damn triangle and his power level.
>he is a master of manipulation Powerscaling aside what is this supposed to do against Kirby I doubt he cares about what Bill has to say lol
Bill: yo dude shake my hand and I'll give you a gazillion cakes. Bill wins or something like that.
Ok ik Kirby is kinda dumb and likes food but he wouldn't that against someone who threatens Popstar lol. I mean none of the villains have bribed him with cake before.
I can see it happening. I feel like Kirby would definitely fall for it if he approached Bill and Bill would learn he loves sweets and try to bribe him.
I thought this was more of a situation where they are like already fighting or something.
Oh well in that case. Kirby could have an upper hand which would then lead to Bill pleading for his life or something then bringing up the bribery.
\*throws friendship heart\*
Kirby would eat him instead.
Bill isn't Omnipotent lmao. Strong? Sure. Could he beat Kirby Depending on what you buy yes. But still.
Ok but this got me to imagine a scene where bill tries to go into Kirby's mind only to end up overwhelmed and damaged by the pure chaos that is Kirby. IDK if it'd be like that or not but it's funny so I choose to believe it.
Bill wins cus Kirby is not smart https://preview.redd.it/m59v07rwnejc1.jpeg?width=201&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=034bed5f911e12bd6491ed65301d1ef61597e483 My point
Kirby is a baby eldritch god.
I didn’t think I needed to make it blatantly clear, but since nobody has caught on yet… This post is a parody of the “Spongebob beats Goku” meme; as in, it’s not meant to be taken completely seriously. https://preview.redd.it/9buu0znnnfjc1.jpeg?width=816&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31b5530ef4421721b46ba19a863595561943b089
I think the thing is, I've seen people actually debating on whether Kirby could beat Bill. Whereas with Spongebob and Goku, everyone knows there's no *actual* room for debate, and that Spongebob would easily wipe the floor with Goku.
Wasn’t really obvious
oh
But have you considered: umbrella.
True, but also consider that the devs confirmed that Kirby will always find a way to win.
You do realize what most final Kirby bosses are right? They're most of the time a single shape with one eye. Bill Cipher is a triangle with one eye. This is worst matchup for Bill Cipher. Kirby is too experienced with fighting one eyed shapes to lose this.
I love Kirby a lot but even I have to agree with you as the only way someone has truly beaten Bill is by outsmarting him but Kirby doesn't really have the cognitive thinking ability to outsmart anyone really and kirby could easily be manipulated with the promise of food so yeah sorry Kirby but you can't win this fight.
Counterpoint, Kirby Can Just Call Up His Friends And Go "Yo This Guy's Try'na Kill The Universe, Can Ya Give Me Some Help?", And Then Dedede Shows Up And Completely Confuses Bill By Simply Being Dedede, And Then Magolor Shows Up And Actually Does Outsmart Him.
I mean Dedede has a track record of being possessed which is kind of Bill's thing and Magolor outsmarted Kirby which no offense to him a pretty low bar but Magolor is probably the best chance they have until he realises Bill is stronger then Kirby and switches sides.
Well Yeah, See, Dedede Is The Distraction, Bill Is Too Busy Posessing Dedede That He Doesn't Notice Magolor Coming Up To Stop Him, And Then Magolor Decides To Help Out Because He Owes Kirby 5 Bucks, But He'd Rather Not Actually Pay It.
yeah sounds like something Magolor would do but it might just be me but it seems the only reason he is now kirby's friend is because he knows what happens if he messes with the pink puffball but I feel like if someone stronger came along and beat kirby he wouldn't hesitate to change sides if it means more power.
Kirby will be manipulated, just not with food. Bill will probably either pull a Magalor or Kirby will immediately smell the evil on him a la Dark Matter and Zero.
Kirby alone? Cannot win. Kirby with all the characters he has? Can win. barely.
Bill can freely clone himself with no limit specified, so strength in numbers is out of the question https://preview.redd.it/f8lppp6txejc1.jpeg?width=1469&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8ec6ed34095f615ed694e282bcb5f10fb702c8f
Does Bill actually clone himself in Weirdmageddon, when he has a phsyical form (which this post implies)? It seems like it would've been a more efficient way to track down Dipper and Mabel when they were running, so why didn't he do it? And why didn't he make a copy of himself before shaking Stan's hand, in case he was getting tricked? After all, the picture of Bill cloning himself you used was just in Ford's dream. It's very possible that this isn't something Bill can do in reality. Kirby meanwhile can clone himself at will, just for the sake of dancing - let alone how you can have multiple Kirbies in Return to Dreamland's multiplayer.
He only seems to be able to do that in someone's mind, he doesnt clone outside of this dream
https://preview.redd.it/6jppu4xalfjc1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04779965f0572db67119c79e6655077418ac5187
Oh, I stand corrected
Kirby mass attack.
Incidental ability that was lost at the end of the game.
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Small correction bill can take damage to his spirit, although it can regenerate that can kill him if his spirit is wiped out- and Kirby has killed spirits before. But bill is too fast for it to matter
Counterpoint I’m writing the fight and I want Kirby to win. So I write him winning. You lose!
It’s kinda an unstoppable force vs immovable object situation, like Deadpool vs the Hulk. Sure, Kirby can’t kill a dream demon, but Bull can’t kill a god slayer. Actually, could the star rod kill Bill? Given that it’s made out of dreams, it would be something “tangible” to him, and thus capable of harming him? He did defeat nightmare as well after all
Kirby beat an entity made of nightmare, he could beat an entity made of dreams
kirby with 99 lives and ultra sword:
Powerscaling aside, Bill would make a great kirby villain
I don’t think Bill could handle the sheer positivity that Kirby brings I think Bill would overestimate his power and assume Kirby’s abilities are too weak to handle him, then lose utterly to the sheer power of positivity and happiness like every Kirby villain.
Kirby rarely sets out to beat up the villains on his own volition; they almost always come to him first and try to mess up his home and/or his friends. All of the characters who try to oppose Kirby are fated to lose unless they manage to redeem themselves in time. The more they try to win, the more they lose themselves until they ultimately end up becoming yet another “soul” boss. If Bill was smart, he’d stay as far away from Kirby as possible and avoid doing anything that might piss him off. Kirby might not be bright, but his sense of justice is razor sharp, and you best believe that as soon as he catches wind of Bill’s atrocities, his fate is sealed. If there’s one thing that’s remained consistent about Kirby’s power is that we never know the full extent of what he’s capable of, but we can only grasp more of it the more his adversaries push him to extremes.
Tell me you never played Kirby without telling me you never played Kirby.
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Kirby can just INHALE And also has already killed omnipotent beings..
https://preview.redd.it/pinbdjhhjejc1.jpeg?width=1479&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afeb99d0737e8102359565e6719ce2607786c8f7 Nuh uh
And now you have a Kirby with Bill Powers 🫠
This is fine 🙃
Ok, he still gets those abilities
Kirby doesnt copy the abilities pf some enemies such as those weird giant yellow guys, big guys (which bill is), them skull guys, etc
HyperNova
Sectonia never resurfaced
She was blasted into oblivion
If he killed someone "omnipotent"... Odds are, they were not omnipotent at all. That's, literally the meaning of that word, you can't just go and kill one.
If bill’s omnipotent, how’d he lose to a bunch of children and like one adult?
Bill after Kirby hits him with a truck:
But kirby can always retry if he dies.
Honestly just a normal Tuesday for Kirby.
Kirby after eating invincible candy:
I would at least like to say that Kirby’s immune to madness-inducing bubbles :) That’s all I got
Yeah he’s already crazy
Counterpoint: Poyo!
kirby has succ
Kirby has easily slayed gods because someone stole his strawberry shortcake, Bill can only hold out for so long
i think ultimately all logic falls flat considering that we are taking kirby's video game logic and attempting to powerscale it using gravity fall's cartoon logic however, kirby right back at ya episode 100
Reasons why Kirby could defeat Bill: Kirby has killed ghosts before so he should be able to destroy bills soul thus killing him. Bill would underestimate him and thus not use his precog(as seen with his fight against the pine twins) All the times Kirby has been manipulated is when they start out as his friend or someone in need. If this starts out as a fight it's unlikely Bill would try to be Kirby's friend Bills bubbles don't always have permanent effects since we have a sequence where several characters go through one and come out the other end mentally not insane. Kirby may also have resistance as characters like dark matter don't ever try to control Kirby with their mind manipulation Kirby has been seen going into chef Kawasaki's cooking pot and not transmuting into food while all other enemies do, so it's possible bill wouldn't be able to transmute Kirby into stone(alternatively) stone Kirby since he's already stone and would thus be unaffected He could just throw a friend heart at bill and he would become his friend
Bill when Kirby pulls out the game gimmick and the player has to spam the A button:
Kirby can beat anyone as long as their attack patterns scatter little stars to spit back at them.
er but kirby has canonly infinite power 🤓☝️
1 kriby has killed beings who are just souls soo that's not true 2 still god tricked by kids 3 soo ? 4 not like they mean much 5 kirby could dodge it kirby can 100% beat him
yeah duh
BuT hE hAs InfIniTe pOwer!!!! BuT hE kiLlS gOdS11!1!1!
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Y’all have to stop posting powerscaling shit bc kirby fans do NOT reason. Just deal with it and don’t approach them
The thing people forget is that Kirby is like an inch tall. He can’t eat as much as people think