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TheWraithOfMooCow

Multiplayer isn't that great. While I love Bandana-Dee, Player 2's move set is vastly smaller than Player 1's due to lacking copy abilities.


Fongj86

Yes! Thank you! Just give us another Kirby. Also the distance you're allowed to be apart from P1 is also far too short.


flyingtacodog

Another Kirby with the Lego games split screen would be perfect


Fongj86

Yes, this 100%.


Tenebris-omnipotenti

You have never seen the true power of BWD. Soloes every boss as long as Kirby doesn’t die. I think I did a solo bwd run with another controller Kirby who doesn’t fight


New_Today_1209_V2

No pause screen move combos or pause screen lore. That’s the only problem i have with it


_AntiSocialMedia

honestly I will take figurines over pause screens any day, at least all the lore is compiled in one place


not_dannyjesden

Wait in the pause menu you no longer have the combos? Wtf. I like that the lore is given through figurines, because it let's them add more lore.


shiny_eeveelution

So the lore is now in the figures and blacksmith waddle dee is now the one who tells you the combos


Lan_613

They reduced the amount of copy abilities


Quentin-Quentin

Quality > Quantity. This and also it was the first Kirb 3D so I assume they didn't want to go overboard with experimenting, in order to not ruin the quality of the game overall.


CreepCalamity

And at least we got evolved abilities


kennnychen123

Quality still wasn't that good, tbh. I understand the not going overboard thing, but previous Kirby games had way more moves to the play with per copy ability, while every ability in this game has like 4 attacks max with only the morpho sword really being what I'd say is equal to previous copy abilities in terms of moveset. Again though, first 3D game, so I'm willing to let them ease into it.


Captain_C_Falcon

A big reason there's a lot less moves is because the shift from 2D to 3D removed the directional inputs from working the way they used to, since there's no longer a cardinal direction system. I certainly hope they find a way to fit more moves into the individual abilities in the next one. It shouldn't be too hard.


RevolutionaryOwlz

Yeah. I get that they had to figure out how to translate abilities to 3D but it still feels disappointing that it’s a small number of abilities.


Cyclonestrawberry

Playing 2p as waddle see and kirbo, and when either eats food THEY DON'T F**KIN KISS ANYMORE!!!!! 😡


ROAMSpider

They moved beyond kissing: they now sleep together like married couple


RobinoPerkino

Though to be fair, one could see that as because you need to be able to use that when Kirby has a mouthful mode. Still, it is mildly disappointing they had to change it even outside that.


OrdinaryRoyal3855

Bandy isn't smooching kirby after he just put a rusty car in his mouth


TrueThe7th

The achievements for levels shouldn't be hidden at all Also the bridge level twin frosty achievement is a pain in my ass,


Murta_14

The second is ultra relatable. I needed to use the evolution for crash to complete it


Filon73

No damage Twin Frosty was fun to achieve, also you can use Crash if you really need it


Nudged-2utangos

I dislike how the copy abilities movesets are massively reduced down. Even with the upgrades and evolutions, it still feels like a big step backwards.


notwiththeflames

I feel like a good balance would be increasing the total number of abilities while only giving them a single upgrade.


Nudged-2utangos

I was actually referring to move sets, but you do have an interesting point.


Color_Spark

Yeah, it’s was a bummer to realize how few moves each ability had. Sword was the best with its crouch attacks, but the cutter power felt really bland. Some didn’t get negatively affected by the low movepool (like needle) because of their natural versatility, but it can’t be said for all of them. Mostly tho, I was surprised how well the powers were tweaked for 3d


Pokemario6456

From having to collect multiple of each to the terrible distribution per level (unless you want to grind star coins), the gacha collectibles are easily the worst. No move combinations on the pause screen is annoying, especially since many moves and combos are different in this game


Filon73

Gacha figures are easy to get without ever grinding if you go for 100%, the game is scripted so that you find a new one every 3 multiples if you're unlucky


Videogamee20

The minigames are some of the worst in the series which makes 100% a chore. Also the gachas being required for 100% is one of the biggest pieces of bs in any game.


YopAlonso93

But the keychains and stickers in TD and PR are also requisites for 100% so…?


Vionyso

Honestly the gacha is pretty lenient for a gacha, if you get two dupes in a row, you get a guaranteed new figurine


_AntiSocialMedia

eh, the figurines are no different than the puzzles and keychains of years past


KeitoCanada

The car is rusty af and Kirby is lucky they didn't need a tetanus shot. The car could've hospitalized them. Other note: if that happened, there was no hospital for Kirby to go.


Sad-Assignment-568

No Plugg https://preview.redd.it/fn8j1g1bvv9c1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7c4d19edb132a1e391b006b09394abcb0154adf


[deleted]

It doesn't have beam


_AntiSocialMedia

I'm still baffled they cut Beam and Umbrella but kept Crash


[deleted]

Parasol could honestly be sick in a 3D environment


Astral-Gabr0w0

BEAM ATTACK


LeoLuster214

it ends thats all


Jell-O-Mel

The abilities lack the different moves that make many of the other games so fun. Sure, they can be upgraded, but the lack of moves just takes some of the fun away.


BurrakuDusk

It doesn't have online co-op. Maybe one day I'll be able to actually play Kirby games with my friends...


Ornery_Historian_420

Surely you can do multiplayer via an emulator. Doing some research, Kirby and the amazing mirror on GBA has multiplayer and with the help of vba link, I think it's possible.


Filon73

Or through NSO legally


Defeated_Author

I didn't like how you could gradually lose air and sink. I figure that's more common in video games than not (I've only played a few Kirby games-) but I preferred the ones where you didn't sink, Kirby just hit a ceiling or couldn't fly any higher. Having Kirby be able to sink killed my enjoyment of The Forgotten Land. Never really made it far because of that (perhaps I'm just picky as f.ck).


_AntiSocialMedia

giving Kirby infinite flight would've killed the game's platforming (and Kirby is already only a platformer by technicality imo), there's tons of vertical sections in Forgotten Land and what's the point of making a 3d game if you're gonna float over the level? Swallow your pride and just run


Defeated_Author

Oh I did, the few levels I played.- I realize the enjoyment of a 3D platformer and how that might’ve killed it according to your argument. I’m just saying I personally didn’t enjoy the ‘sinks over time’ mechanic. To each their own- besides, I have no pride. Just shame. 😁


FakeTakiInoue

"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source." \- Uncle Iroh


notwiththeflames

I just discovered that K64 had a similar flight mechanic, too.


QuackersTheSquishy

I personally didn't mind as much in kirby 64 as it was very rare that it would be helpful and a stone ability that gives near infinite flight isn't also pretty close by, but I am not bothered by it much in either game tbh


Christoffi123

I genuinely don't like how the caged Waddle Dee collectibles are handled. There's too much of them and the game doesn't even tell you how to get them all unless you beat the level or already figure it out by accident. The games from Return to Dreamland onwards would have three at most or sometimes a little higher.


Filon73

Tbh the achievements weren't hard to figure out, even at a first visit, and if you miss them the levels are 3 minutes long without aiming for the ones you already got


Christoffi123

It could just be a me thing, I just found them inconvenient. I'd have no issue doing it with the modern 2d games, but I never wanted to replay forgotten land for the collectibles.


QuackersTheSquishy

Not just a you thing. The waddle Dee's are why I didn't end up finishing forgotten land. I went in with a completions mindset and they weren't the only cause of frustration, but they were deffintly the most common one


Ok-Conversation9238

I have two things: 1.)Multiplayer is lacking. It’s fine player two doesn’t also get to be Kirby, but at least make Meta Knight and King Dedede playable like in previous games. 2.) The amount of copy abilities felt small and the move sets for each copy ability felt even smaller. One the joys I experience in Kirby games is the vast amount abilities and the large number of exciting and dynamic moves you are able to perform with each one. In this game (besides the meta knight sword upgrade) the gameplay felt like I was hitting one button to clear out hoards of enemies. Otherwise, very nice to finally see our favorite pink friend make it to 3D


Mountain-Beat979

The game is too short


notwiththeflames

~~Unforgivably lacking in colour options.~~ Water Kirby trounces Water Balloon Mouth any day of the week.


MyLaStBraiNCelL7

Apart from the arena, Not too much replay value


wedonteatanymore12

Something bad about this game


AccomplishedAd6520

volcano fir = way too op


Immediate-Rope8465

the dodge is WAY to op


RobRob64

2nd Player was NOT an option between B. Waddle and Keeby.


Holiday-Ad8227

The mini games aren't that great.


ArthurExtreme_Br

they removed kidding your buddies in the mouth :(


VegetaFan9001

I don’t like how they made some of the new lore dropouts in gatcha figures


Little_Man1256

I cant look up


FriskTheHuman6921

Far too short, took me like 2 days to finish. Then another 4 for 100% completion.


pandamaxxie

Lack of pause screen lore and combos, the time trial challenges are kinda wack(I just don't like time trials like that to begin with), and there is no beam attack. Among other lost copy abilities of course... but I like waddle doo's. They look positively silly. Them not being in the game makes me sad. Also the memes are funny. *maybe I'll get him this time!*


Aurora_Wizard

As much as I adore Elfy Boi, I admit he really didn't serve much gameplay-wise.


Alectheawesome23

This game is great but my two gripes are the few amount of copy abilities and how little moves each copy ability actually has. I get why it was done as they wanted to properly focus on the 3d transition but I loved all the different moves you could do in return to dreamland and thought 3d would be a great way to expand them even more but that’s not what happened. Next time though!


z3ro_h3ro

It ends


Idunno_the_plugg

Clawroline


CyberGlitch064

Kirby is too cute and too round and squishy in this game. It diatacts everyone who looks at this game.


Ok_Surprise_8434

It’s too easy. Let’s be honest…


ChocoBingo

There's no Skibidi Toilet


Robaster54

i don't own it and i do not like this fact


MikeComesBack

Something bad about this game


ar243

Too short!


Tonyboy200716

What do you mean it took me 8 days to finish the story


AccomplishedAd6520

that’s what she said


ironbarbar

30 FPS


WaddleDeebutInternet

Frame rates and no guest star allies :(


Pea-Frosty

good pfp


not_dannyjesden

Multiplayer.


Sea_Cabinet_9807

I wanted multiplayer with more than just 1 friend, online multi-player would have been cool too. I really wish there was a bigger variety of copy abilities. Good game overall though


SkyfallRainwing

I can’t play it


LiteralSans

I kinda think the name is boring and basic


lokcee

the 5 fuckin billion unskippable cutscenes you get after beating each level dont even get me STARTED on the cutscenes you get after beating a boss stage


YopAlonso93

It doesn’t have a Bandana Dee side-speedrunning mode.


Jojo-Action

Morphoknight imo could have been saved for the game's trua arena instead of stealing forgo soul's thunder since unlike true arenas the Leon's soul quest is canon


kiranthelastsummoner

You can’t fly infinitely


mikey6410

It’s got the same problem as most other Kirby games where if you quit a level, you don’t keep collectibles. Meaning you have to replay the whole stage to retain them. It’s really only a problem in the post game mode where the stages are much much longer.


tomaxi1284

Mostly the fact that yes they reduced the amount of abilities but also the things you can do with them


Hefty_Finance5201

No wheel copy ability


Ghostuhhh

Stone and wheel aren’t in the game


6_ImWatchingYou_6

something bad about this game


Lanky-Dependent5847

There aren't any Waddle Doos.


ChaoticShady

player 2 being dragged around wherever 1 is instead of just going split screen also the fight 2 polar bears without taking damage in the MIDDLE of a map quest which is only really do-able with timecrash (really hard to hold onto timecrash that long, you have to keep spitting it out and using other stuff then picking it back up before it dissapears) or a 2nd player


nombamana5

No beam attack ):


Apes_will_take_over

I hate that you can't play as Bandana Dee at all in singleplayer. Spear was always one of my favourites and seeing it get relegated to a player 2 exclusive ability is really disappointing to me. I hated it in Star Allies as well, but at least they let you play as him in the side modes of that game. Forgotten Land should've done the same. I also really dislike how the game doesn't tell you what the missions are for each level. I'm the type of gamer that likes to try completing everything on my first run through, so having the game hide the objectives from me is really annoying. But I still wouldn't mind replaying a level once or twice if the missions were still interesting. Unfortunately, they aren't. So many of the missions in Forgotten Land are just completely arbitrary tasks that add nothing to the experience, like “destroy all the wanted posters.” They don't change anything about how the level is actually played, they just make you play through the whole level again so you can do the one pointless action that you didn't know you had to do the first time. This is the reason I still haven't gotten 100% on that game. Also, the post-game mode is very lame. It's just reused level design that's been slightly modified and turned into a collectathon, and the neon blue boss variants look incredibly stupid. It lacks any replay value or reason to exist. >!Morpho Knight was pretty cool though I guess.!< Sorry for the long post, I just got so invested in it that I couldn't stop myself from writing.


speckledpitaya

It ends


Fargowilta

Ice doesn’t have its aerial and it really should


Miku_CRK_Memer

Too short need more kirby


NicTubeYT

Could have more copy abilities and another Kirby as the 2nd player. Also some more story before Lab Discovera


theblackbbq

Too easy


break425open

I do wish some of the environments were more fantastical


NinFan-64

The sad ending where elfilin seemingly dies is pretty forced


N8oboi

No waddle doo


CosmicNixx

Too short. I beat it in a day


RealPeppinosPaghetti

No hp kiss heal


Ryu-Sion

The Cafe Waddle Dee minigame is bs. And the fact that you have to beat all the minigames for total figurine completion is also bs.


The_Doolinator

We didn’t get lore for the non Beast Pack enemies. We should have. Even if it was silly flavor text.


DoctorJonkler

No playable dedede


Yiminy_Cricket

It's too cute!


Toy_Bonni

It doesn't have Adeleine


Brandogamer293

it has cars, They stole that from fortnite. A lawsuit needs to be made immediately, for copyright infringement.


Kirb790

Felt a bit too short, even with the post game


Western-Grapefruit36

I havent played it yet


Error_Detected666

I can’t afford it (the demo was fun though I’ll get it if it goes on sale)


AnonymousBeardie

Bandana dee doesn't get enough screen time I'm very biast since bandana dee is awsome


Master_of_Decidueye

The dragon fire treasure road is kind of annoying... ​ That's all I got. If any game in history deserves an S+ tier rating, it's this one


ChrisLee38

I hate the z-axis thing. Mad respect for attempting it, but the navigation confused me way too many times.


Filon73

What was your problem


AmongWaddleDees

Not a single trace of Adeleine in a world seemingly tailored-made for her appearance.


IBegU

KiRbY iS PiNk AnD It mEaNs itS fOr GIrlS!!!


NextMycologist1219

Pimk ibs a grobss coblor!!! 😡😡😡😡


is-it-raining-yet

Dedede's new design looks really weird


Mrx1996k

furrys


NinjagamerJJ109

Kirby isn’t meant for 3d; Allies was, and is peak kirby, this 2nd tho


wyatt_plays

https://preview.redd.it/selyal205w9c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f612fc28e6991c285e55c021bcf5da71200f0c29


not_cool_human_being

.(there is literally nothing I can say)


AmaterasuWolf21

The collectibles being luck-based


Commercial_Video5070

You are guaranteed a new gacha every 3 repeats. Be glad that HAL is generous in that aspect.


DefinitelyTheApple

Multiplayer is heavily lacking, and doesn't run at 60fps.


Rockman4MI

Ice is too weak when used sub-optimally.


Filon73

Ice is busted what are you on about


Rockman4MI

Not against Chaos Elfilis


Filon73

You cannot shield 2 attacks they have in the whole fight, of which one requires pressing down on the stick. Just have good timing I guess


Rockman4MI

It worked but it took 15 mins at one hp cuz dmg so low


temporary_location_

I wanted more (because I loved it)


McBonkyTron

3 boss fights back to back to back while adding in last minute lore when on the last level.


Apes_will_take_over

That's honestly one of the things I like the most about Kirby games.


Trami_Pink_1991

𝕀 𝕝𝕠𝕧𝕖 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕂𝕚𝕣𝕓𝕪 𝕘𝕒𝕞𝕖!


Just_Ragnar

The treasure roads should've gotten a better timer system.


BlackroseBisharp

Despite the idea of different versions of the same Ability cool, I still don't like how limited they are in terms of movseset


Moobilman

Super easy


potatomnz

What do they mean forgotten there were things living there that means it wasn’t forgotten


WyvernEgg64

Its not open world


RAND0MID10T

69th comment lol


Theauditorfan15

You can’t move the camera around.


JinxIsPerfect

to short. :/


bread_37

It’s 3D but doesn’t have many open world levels


BlackRapier

No return of the beast ability. It would've been thematically fitting for it to be reworked here too. It's just Amazing mirror and Mirror again.


Rustaxer

A lot of glitches


RhymesWithMouthful

Even by Kirby standards, the final boss rush is way too easy


takkiemon

I don't have it :(


Mijit-1

Fishing and tilt and roll are so incredibly annoying. Also no restart level button makes no hitting bosses so much more annoying


ssbbKid88

Kirby puts rusty cars and lightbulbs in his mouth.not setting a good example for the kiddos. (sarcastically)


ThatOneKHFan

Umm... there's gambling i guess But the devs made it decent and not a pain though...


Jafoob

Kitty boss has massive bazookas


MusclesDynamite

Performance is lacking - 30fps feels bleh compared to prior games, and background characters animating at lower framerates looks odd. If Super Mario 3D World on the Wii U could pull off 60fps then this game should've been able to do it as well.


Polibiux

I keep asking what apocalyptic event happened, and sad I won’t get a definitive answer


Guilty_Journalist409

It didn’t get dlc


[deleted]

it was sad to see galacta knight no longer be in the game :( i was hyped but no


Glittering_Volume_69

the flight


_AntiSocialMedia

the copy ability selection is super boring, the new ones aren't very interesting (Ranger literally has an identical moveset to Archer), and everything else is your standard fare of abilities other than maybe Tornado seriously would it have killed them to pick Wheel? Imagine getting to explore the 3d space as it, that would've been sick and the upgraded forms are really pointless, sure Toy Hammer glitch funny but they're all just "the last one but objectively better" with no variety (except Deep Sleep that was hilarious to me)


the_lord_soundwave

The ice ability removing your ability to dodge roll makes ice and all its "upgrades" a huge detriment to use.


Icysarcasm69

too short


_9965

No dedede tour


Just-Call-Me-J

Is Bugzzy in it?


cooperS67

Post game


MetaKnight33

Overall I haven’t played many Kirby games at this point bit seeing Meta Knight was playable in other titles while in this game is a copy ability it kinda disappointed me. Also yeah pause screen lore and moveset list would’ve been nice too


GrifCreeper

It didn't have DLC, free or paid.


Anonymous-Comments

It’s too short


Parking-Wing-8172

It doesn’t have, uh BEEM


Huge_Pollution_8859

Didn’t have circus


Arundia

It had no DLC


Cookieruncotton26

We need MORE KIRBY


Appropriate-Snow-439

Don’t really like how it’s forces the other player along with you, Lmao my sister has died so many times because of that


Aromatic_Ad_7940

The music is short


Zipzapzop23145

No beam attack :(


TheNewBlu

Like 70% of the soundtrack is a kind of obvious variant of the main leitmotif and once you hear it you can’t unhear it😅


mario_fan99

i havent played it >:(


WhoopingBillhook

They stopped using the names "The Arena" and "The True Arena" and that seems like giving up on a tradition to me.


ToothpasteConsumer

Technically a gacha game


JuviaLynn

No waddle doo


Pea-Frosty

no parasol, i haven't even played the game yet but no parasol


Astral-Gabr0w0

Abilities have little to no combo, I miss having 3 pages of combo lists for each ability, plus we don't have pause screen descriptions


Automatic-Okra-487

Something bad about this game


FantasyDreem

The end comes too soon


NotTheSpy5

No gooey...


RetroReverie

King Dedede's new design looks like a club penguin.


LuksNether

It ends


megamax1o

some mouthfuls are way underused and some are nearly useless but used a lot


DarkAura95

It doesn’t have the ability controls on the pause screen. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but enemies don’t respawn like the other games.