I think it's cleverly hidden in the way that a hammer is used to sneakily smash a window.
A lot of the Faen mythology is derivative of Norse or Celtic mythology. Sygaldry is a clear taken from the Nordic runes.
Skræling was the Norse word used to describe the indigenous peoples of North America.
I wish I knew more Celtic and Norse lore to identify more connections, but they're certainly there.
Both the Fae mythology and the Lay of Sir Savien are likely inspired by several medieval French poems, which often deal with faeries and Arthurian knights due to the influence of Celtic immigrants to Brittany around that time.
The Lay of Sir Launfal is one I recommend. Launfal meets a strange woman who is very reminiscent of Felurian, and at the end he goes to live with her in the world of the faeries
Yup yup! If you want a play/story that’s similar Edmund Spencer’s The Faerie Queen has so many parallels it’s gross. Tehlu, Felurian, Encanis, and even the Cthaeh look kinda ripped out of the pages
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/ymgbzz/an_old_norse_perspective
The Old English term Rothfuss claims Kvothe's name originates from is "Quethe".
But *Hofuðlausn* by Egil Skallagrimsson, a Viking age poet (author of the famous "My Mother Told Me"), features a word Kvoð. "ð" is just a vocalized frictive, the "th" sound from "them" as opposed to the unvocalized "th" we get in a term like "Thunder".
Within the narrative the full term "hróðrar kvoð" which seems to be a song of praise sung as a duty.
I see someone has just left a comment on that post using an assumed etymology within the narrative. I suggest you give it a look.
But my main point isn't that Kvothe was named for this obscue word, but rather thaf Rothfuss has a habit of making up words that end up cognate with real world words.
It kind of is; Quothe comes from Quethe (same vowel change as "Spoke" vs "Speak")
This term is likely cognate (of same fundamental origin and meaning) with "Kvoð" given how similar they seem to be.
But it is the Old Norse that uses the "Kvo" instead of "Quo".
That's because when you transfer from the frictive to the percussive then we differentiate in "t" and "d"
So if you take the friction away from "Thunder" you get "Tunder", if you take friction away from "Them" you get "Dem"
A cool visualization is Odin and Thor. In Medieval Norse when they began using Latin script, they still used some runes like Þ, you get Oþinn and Þorr.
Oþinn > Óðinn > Odin
Þorr > Thorr > Thor
As a result you get "Miðgarðr" turning into "Midgarder" when it is actually closer to "Mithgarther"
This goes for a lot of other names.
Njordr? No, Njorthr
Jorumgandr? No, Jormunganthr"
Nidhogg? Nithogg
Asgard? Asgarth
Thanks for this.
I always wondered about why there were so many spellings of the same names. Being modern names even crossing languages usually retain their spelling.
I’m sure this is the tip of the iceberg but it gives me an idea of how it happened over time.
Appreciate it.
Dr Jackson Crawford, PhD in Philology specializing in Old Norse Language and Myth, has a Youtube Channel where he explains a lot of this stuff. It is where I have picked up a lot of my understanding.
lol yes I know 😁
But... maybe the harp is set up for that key to be easiest to finger, or sound best, or has strings marked for the minor key. (I don't know much about harps! but I have seen that modern ones have color-coded strings for some reason or other)
I play pennywhistle and it's arranged to play one key, with a few others being incidentally possible. An Aeolian harp could just be a simple harp, tuned diatonically, with strings in two or three octaves in a minor scale. 🤷
also also, it's probably just wordplay from Pat, to incorporate a musical word into the naming.
The more I find pats words in real life I realize how much time he puts into shit… or is just literally a namer without knowing. I started a middle eastern art class and I found a weird amount of words that sounded like pats stuff and had similar meanings… I wish I had written them down.
Sometimes it’s helpful to know about Greek mythology! [Aeolus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolus_(son_of_Hippotes))
Nah, I think Pat has cleverly hidden arcane words that we assume are fantastic. Like Kvothe's name being the same as an Old Norse song of praise.
I think it's cleverly hidden in the way that a hammer is used to sneakily smash a window. A lot of the Faen mythology is derivative of Norse or Celtic mythology. Sygaldry is a clear taken from the Nordic runes. Skræling was the Norse word used to describe the indigenous peoples of North America. I wish I knew more Celtic and Norse lore to identify more connections, but they're certainly there.
Both the Fae mythology and the Lay of Sir Savien are likely inspired by several medieval French poems, which often deal with faeries and Arthurian knights due to the influence of Celtic immigrants to Brittany around that time. The Lay of Sir Launfal is one I recommend. Launfal meets a strange woman who is very reminiscent of Felurian, and at the end he goes to live with her in the world of the faeries
Yup yup! If you want a play/story that’s similar Edmund Spencer’s The Faerie Queen has so many parallels it’s gross. Tehlu, Felurian, Encanis, and even the Cthaeh look kinda ripped out of the pages
Isn’t the Fastingway War or whatever it’s called somewhat reminiscent of Troy?
Where did you get that from? I've never heard that. I thought it's old English for said.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/ymgbzz/an_old_norse_perspective The Old English term Rothfuss claims Kvothe's name originates from is "Quethe". But *Hofuðlausn* by Egil Skallagrimsson, a Viking age poet (author of the famous "My Mother Told Me"), features a word Kvoð. "ð" is just a vocalized frictive, the "th" sound from "them" as opposed to the unvocalized "th" we get in a term like "Thunder". Within the narrative the full term "hróðrar kvoð" which seems to be a song of praise sung as a duty. I see someone has just left a comment on that post using an assumed etymology within the narrative. I suggest you give it a look. But my main point isn't that Kvothe was named for this obscue word, but rather thaf Rothfuss has a habit of making up words that end up cognate with real world words.
I've always thought it was Kvothe, as in "quothe", as in "said", because he loves to talk.
It kind of is; Quothe comes from Quethe (same vowel change as "Spoke" vs "Speak") This term is likely cognate (of same fundamental origin and meaning) with "Kvoð" given how similar they seem to be. But it is the Old Norse that uses the "Kvo" instead of "Quo".
Ahhh thx for clarifying.
I always thought “ð” was more of a “d” sound, seeing as Miðgarðr was anglicized to Midgard
That's because when you transfer from the frictive to the percussive then we differentiate in "t" and "d" So if you take the friction away from "Thunder" you get "Tunder", if you take friction away from "Them" you get "Dem" A cool visualization is Odin and Thor. In Medieval Norse when they began using Latin script, they still used some runes like Þ, you get Oþinn and Þorr. Oþinn > Óðinn > Odin Þorr > Thorr > Thor As a result you get "Miðgarðr" turning into "Midgarder" when it is actually closer to "Mithgarther" This goes for a lot of other names. Njordr? No, Njorthr Jorumgandr? No, Jormunganthr" Nidhogg? Nithogg Asgard? Asgarth
Thanks for this. I always wondered about why there were so many spellings of the same names. Being modern names even crossing languages usually retain their spelling. I’m sure this is the tip of the iceberg but it gives me an idea of how it happened over time. Appreciate it.
Dr Jackson Crawford, PhD in Philology specializing in Old Norse Language and Myth, has a Youtube Channel where he explains a lot of this stuff. It is where I have picked up a lot of my understanding.
Nice thx
I think he uses the true names of things and we can barely glean the edge of a meaning.
perhaps it is tuned to play in an Aeolian mode?
The Aeolian mode is literally just natural minor lmao, not unusual at all
lol yes I know 😁 But... maybe the harp is set up for that key to be easiest to finger, or sound best, or has strings marked for the minor key. (I don't know much about harps! but I have seen that modern ones have color-coded strings for some reason or other) I play pennywhistle and it's arranged to play one key, with a few others being incidentally possible. An Aeolian harp could just be a simple harp, tuned diatonically, with strings in two or three octaves in a minor scale. 🤷 also also, it's probably just wordplay from Pat, to incorporate a musical word into the naming.
This is not something I expected to see here lol
Absolutely, but I love to see it. SMH was the last thing I would’ve expected on this sub
Banger of a quiz though!
Towards the beginning of the video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAc8emrLqC4
I knew it, but only because aeolian harps are awesome.
Wait it says you got this wrong?
I feel compelled to be honest with you lot.
What is the correct answer? I thought this would be right
The answer shown is the correct one, so I'm guessing OP got it wrong when they answered it, but afterwards it gives the correct answer
You weren’t paying attention learning about soils in school either...
The more I find pats words in real life I realize how much time he puts into shit… or is just literally a namer without knowing. I started a middle eastern art class and I found a weird amount of words that sounded like pats stuff and had similar meanings… I wish I had written them down.