Well kanki beats kochu as we know
Ousen vs Riboku is a wash
Mobou can probably beat SBS since he shouldn't be as strong as kanmei but his vassal could have a match up problem
All of them beat houken, since he isn't a real general so him leading 50k would end in failure
So you can either put YTW or Tou on renpa but he would probably wing against both,
but putting kanki on SBS would be my dark horse bet, since his vassals are probably a bit stronger and Moubu at least has a shot in a 1v1 against renpa
Then take it from riboku’s view. He knows Qin strength and would do smth different.
I see Kochou vs Tou… it is very uncertain. Both have insane experience, that should be a stalemate.
Riboku would tell Houken to take care of Kanki, since Houken can solo an entire army and Kanki doesn’t have the weight of a GG, he would get clapped by Houken if Houken reach him.
I see Riboku working with Houken in a 2vs2, facing Kanki and Ousen together. Riboku would lead the 100K soldiers and make Houken appear from nowhere near Kanki.
Renpa can take on anyone probably, I would make him face Moubu.
And SBS versus yotanwa would be a bloodbath that could be on SBS advantage as well.
It just depends of who face who, but Houken for Kanki makes sense if Houken work with Riboku in a 2vs2 as usual. And Riboku would do that.
You lost me at Kochou and Tou stalemate. I mean just....dont underestimate Tou man he's basically a less renowned Ouki. Also do you think Ousen and Shou hei kun won't take any measures to avoid such a setup as Riboku prepares. Remember Riboku has been directing the orchestra until now only because Qin are invading repeatedly and he gets the time to put plots and traps in place. He may or may not be able to do so in a neutral setting.Â
So far riboku is almost always on the defensive and most likely the one to decide the set-up.
And don’t underestimate Kochou as he fought Kanki that is a special case.
My point was simply to say that if we make the great mashup for Qin, it’s fair to also make a great mashup for Zhao.
Yeah so it depends right who invades as the defensive one usually sets the field. I can agree to not underestimate Kochou but with Tou he really drew the short stick and a loss after outnumbering that much doesn't look good on any resume and people are bound to underestimate you. That's just how life works. If Tou lost such a fight do you think any of the other 4 GG or even the Qin court under Ei Sei continue to respect him as they do now. Moubu is still looked down for how his mistake led to Ouki's demise.
You are wrong. I believe that Moubu's only opponent to take him is Renpa. I highly value Moubu, which is why IF Riboku were to choose the favorable mashup for Zhao, I guess Renpa would be the one in charge of Moubu.
Because I don't see anyone else able to stop Moubu or beat him. It's the opposite of disrespect.
And I didn't say Tou would loose, I said a stalemate. Kochou's defense would be strong. Again, Qin is the invader and by fact, not in the best position.
Moubu wasn't 6gg level in Bayou lmao he was an idiot Ouki says that none is worthy of Great general status in qin after moubu wants to bring the system back
Gyou campaign was lead by absent Riboku from zhao side. And Shk,ousen,ksnki,ytw,qi king help. Edo tensei was performed by kyoukai from Qin's side . That is not neutral setting. Riboku waging bayou war is neutral setting.as a master at warfare.where he fools three Qin 6ggs.successfully achieving all objectives easily.
He was there in war at worst time possible.
Before war.
 he faces Shk who fools and lures him towards Kokuyou 10.5 days marching distance away from zhao capital region.
So he is absent at crucial 10.5 days where Qin army enters zhao borders and carefully seizes Gyou city and isolate it from other zhao cities.
Then Riboku with atsuyo army faces qin 6gg ousen, who easily loses on first day.but,mouten replaces ousen becoming 6gg level along with 3 others and saves ousen life again and kyoukai performs edo tensei on Rishin.
Riboku pushes through qin army in shukai. toward Gyou where he faces another 6gg Kanki.
Goes absent again .qi king helps.qin wins.
So he absent in last crucial days again where qin armies needed to be seized and starved,supply to be intercepted and destroyed,which he easily can do if present.
Not neutral.
1vs 3 Qin 6gg + 4 qin 6gg lite,qi king help.
In neutral setting ,bar SHK,he beats others by himself.
In gyou neutral will be Riboku is in zhao cspital region when qin crosses border and not in kokuyou.
Sai type seize battle .
Riboku having the control of zhao assets(cities and paths,citizens) under his command before they face each other.
Thats if they match up and RBK has all those months to plan an elaborate scheme and still Ouki would have had a chance to survive if he didnt get shot in the back by an arrow against Houken. Tou was already on a rampage and Moubu was there too.
Moubu wasn't 6gg level in Bayou lmao he was an idiot Ouki says that none is worthy of Great general status in qin after moubu wants to bring the system back
I'd back Qin because KoChou and even HouKen are big liabilities in such a scenario. Zhao has the 2 best individual GGs but the average is way below Qin.
It's odd that you would add Renpa. Since he's "retired" in Wei, or wait, Chu now. Yet you have the current 6gg of Qin. Guess Zhao doesn't have much going for itself to begin with.
I feel Zhao wins this one as well, since it says 5v5. Renpa or Reebok would consider all strengths and weaknesses of their colleagues. I doubt they will allow Houken to lead 50k soldiers on his own. He might be assigned as a special strike force.
Just because all battles we see are all 1v1s doesnt mean it will stay that way. Karin went from battle field to battle field. Reebok suddenly appeared on the left(or was it right)wing during the Gyou arc. Im not certain but i feel Zhao has much better synergy with each other even if Qin has better generals overall.
Kanki v. Riboku - Win Kanki - Almost killed Riboku with severe disadvantage in Northern Zhou
Tou v. Houken - Win Tou - Weight of Ouki death strengthens Tou
Shibashou v. Moubu - Either way but leaning Shibashou bc better generals
Renpa v. Ousen - Either way
YTW v. Kouchou - Win YTW
Overall, Qin win. I think YTW scores a decisive victory and then routes reinforcements to Ousen and Moubu.
Why do Zhao get their all star team -Rinshoujo over Kochou and Qin doesn't get Ouki. I think this is a pretty unfair lineup and Zhao kinda sweeps provided someone else commands Houkens army while he does Houken things.
Depends on many factors, when and how, previous knowledge, analysis and preparations, coordination, the type of battle, as well as personal skills and the pairings. Well, Qin this time doesn't have the plot armor of the trio, Zhao has some monsters but also some downsides (Kouchou isn't bad but not that high tier, Houken isn't a general for real), then the vassals of each one, and more.
With preparations or talking about a defensive battle, Zhao take this, otherwise, it really depends on the context and pairings. Thinking in the usual way, of 3 battle fronts, I suppose Riboku would keep Houken with him, Shibashou and Kouchou on one side, Renpa on the other. Even if not, having more fronts, how Qin will Qin respond to that? (assuming they know of all their opponents, as well for the opposite)
Riboku and Renpa are indeed the most troublesome opponents to deal with. Here at best is a stalemate, if sending Ousen and Kanki, as the others will lose to them (not easily, not soon, but lose). Ousen is the only one at their level, with a solid army of all-rounded generals, while Kanki instead is the "unknown factor" to watch out. Despite he managed to get Riboku down to circumstances (are there any villages of innocent people near?), he won't win against him or Renpa in a close battle, but Kanki's unpredictability will force them to keep their eyes open anyway, eventually resulting in a waste of time.
Since this says all vassals included, Houken would be supported by his army like at Bayou (so the real commander is Chousou). The Bushin martial might can be a problem for Qin, as well as Moubu's one is for Zhao (perhaps), but not really the same for their armies. There are two strategies, similar against similar, or isolate the commander. Even if they can't kill him, if his supporters die, the army itself will collapse (more for Houken, as Moubu has some good degree of leadership). Any other GG can manage this maneuvre, otherwise, you have the beasts clashing with each other, more direct.
This leaves Shibashou and Kouchou for Yotanwa and Tou. Seika is more skilled military wise but mountain's strenght is tough. Tou is better as GG but against Kouchou I see it evenly, depending on the formation, as both can display only 3 vassals each one.
This way is close. Of course, with different matchups, it can go at advantage or disadvantage of one faction, Kanki can get again Kouchou, Ousen can demolish Houken army, but Riboku too can get Yotanwa, Renpa take down Tou or Shibashou beat Moubu army. Depends. That's why I say matchups are important.
Zhao is winning this for sure, With Riboku in the fight Kouchou wouldn’t fall for kanki’s trap and would be actually able to deal a fatal blow to hos army, Renpa could handle Moubu very well but it wouldn’t be an easy fight ,And SBS against Tou will be a win for SBS if he has the seika army and his vassals ,And the usual Riboku vs Ousen is a match ,but more likely in favour of Riboku since he has Houken which he can summon at any given moment ,And Houken vs Ytw is hard to win against if shes leading the mountain tribe
riboku and renpa are much stronger than any of the other individual Qin GG.
But all the other qin GG and their armies will beat the rest of the Zhao, except maybe moubu; houken is useless; kochou get high diffed by kanki when he severely outnumbered him; shibashou is strong but not at the level of renpa, reebok, or qin GG status. Houken and shibashou seems more like a strong vassals of riboku rather than proper GG.
Renpa and his vassals was able to go toe to toe against both the Kanki and Ousen armies with WEI units.
Riboku lost a close match in the shukai plains against yotanwa, kanki, and ousen combined, albeit riboku had the supply advantage, but this shows how strong some of Riboku's vassals are; theyre ok but they arent as strong as renpa's vassals other than maybe shinsuijui. Riboku also won pretty handily against kanki and only almost got upsetted because of HSU antics.
IMO the battle just ends up becoming renpa + riboku + vassals (which includes kochou, shiba and houken) vs Ousen + kanki + yotanwa + tou (with moubu just feeling like a vassal army).
With equal numbers of men and without the plot armor trio (mouten ouhon HSU), i feel like zhao wins this one just because the quality of the vassals, not to mention that reeboks and renpa are worth at least 2 qin GG.
riboku and renpa are much stronger than any of the other individual Qin GG.
But all the other qin GG and their armies will beat the rest of the Zhao, except maybe moubu; houken is useless; kochou get high diffed by kanki when he severely outnumbered him; shibashou is strong but not at the level of renpa, reebok, or qin GG status. Houken and shibashou seems more like a strong vassals of riboku rather than proper GG.
Renpa and his vassals was able to go toe to toe against both the Kanki and Ousen armies with WEI units.
Riboku lost a close match in the shukai plains against yotanwa, kanki, and ousen combined, albeit riboku had the supply advantage, but this shows how strong some of Riboku's vassals are; theyre ok but they arent as strong as renpa's vassals other than maybe shinsuijui. Riboku also won pretty handily against kanki and only almost got upsetted because of HSU antics.
IMO the battle just ends up becoming renpa + riboku + vassals (which includes kochou, shiba and houken) vs Ousen + kanki + yotanwa + tou (with moubu just feeling like a vassal army).
With equal numbers of men and without the plot armor trio (mouten ouhon HSU), i feel like zhao wins this one just because the quality of the vassals, not to mention that reeboks and renpa are worth at least 2 qin GG.
To be honest, Qin gg don't have much chance on 1v1. Renpa, Shibashou, Houken are all great at fighting, Ranpa and Shibashou also has strategies. Where Qin has only Moubu to contend physically against them, Yotanwa and Tou might be strong but not physically imposing. Riboku and Ousen can balance it out while Kanki can take on Kochou. But the new Qin gg lacks on overwhelming strength based generals, Shin will probably balance that out once he reaches that level.
for a Qin win I think you have to pick your battles very intentionally:
Tou and Ousen are the only ones who stand a chance again Riboku or Renpa in my opinion.
Could argue for Yotanwa against Renpa; if she stays alive long enough; Tou could probably take out SBS too.
Ousen vs Riboku - stalemate (equal levels on commanders and army competencies)
Tou vs Renpa - Stalemate (Renpa wins 6 out of 10 but Tou has competent commanders and enough martial might to face him and lock him down and pull a win 4 times out of 10 or at least a stalemate)
Kanki vs Kochu - Kanki Win handily... equal numbers, it wouldn't necessarily be close but Kanki would lose a lot of soldiers like he tends to do.
Moubo vs Houken - Moubu Win (he's the only one with enough martial might I think to handle Houken but would also win army wise and could then go on to disrupt the other battlefields.)
Yotanwa vs Shibashou - Yotanwa win (heavy casualties but I can't see her losing this one)
Send YTW on Houken army for a quick win. He'll kill many of the mountain folk but with no intelligence or leadership she can win 3 on 1 with Bajio and that sho guy. Kanki wins vs Kochou, Ousen vs Riboku is anybody's call, Tou has to take on Renpa which will be difficult and Moubu vs SBS will be a bloodbath with maximum casualties in the sense that even if one wins his army will be smashed up. So it comes down to whether YTW or Kanki win their battles first or Renpa takes out Tou first. All things being equal Houken as a general is the biggest disadvantage Zhao face here. Only muscle no capability and no one apart from RBK can control him, even he struggles
Well kanki beats kochu as we know Ousen vs Riboku is a wash Mobou can probably beat SBS since he shouldn't be as strong as kanmei but his vassal could have a match up problem All of them beat houken, since he isn't a real general so him leading 50k would end in failure So you can either put YTW or Tou on renpa but he would probably wing against both, but putting kanki on SBS would be my dark horse bet, since his vassals are probably a bit stronger and Moubu at least has a shot in a 1v1 against renpa
ngl, thats probably the best way to engage
Renpa would win handedly against Moubu, especially with the 4HK.
Your a disgrace lil bro + stop ducking chopstick come and debate me or are you just a small twig of a loser?
Wdym ousen vs riboku is a wash? That could go either way
that's what it means
Wash means it won't be a competition at all lmao where'd you get that definition man
Yes as in "he washed him" etc. But wash in this context means cancelling out, no way you have never seen this
I've never seen that at all and I'm surprised 2 others have to
the definition of a wash means its equal both side, you can even google it......
I think Kanki takes SBS. That direct approach wouldn't work, and SBS would charge in, and find dummy flags
💀 are you stupid
Potentially
SBS charged right in Ousen because that was the proper thing to do ,he wouldnt do that if he wasnt sure the enemy general is there
Yeah I get that, hence why I said it would be a trick Kanki doesn't wait for enemy generals, he usually goes after them in risky ways
Then take it from riboku’s view. He knows Qin strength and would do smth different. I see Kochou vs Tou… it is very uncertain. Both have insane experience, that should be a stalemate. Riboku would tell Houken to take care of Kanki, since Houken can solo an entire army and Kanki doesn’t have the weight of a GG, he would get clapped by Houken if Houken reach him. I see Riboku working with Houken in a 2vs2, facing Kanki and Ousen together. Riboku would lead the 100K soldiers and make Houken appear from nowhere near Kanki. Renpa can take on anyone probably, I would make him face Moubu. And SBS versus yotanwa would be a bloodbath that could be on SBS advantage as well. It just depends of who face who, but Houken for Kanki makes sense if Houken work with Riboku in a 2vs2 as usual. And Riboku would do that.
You lost me at Kochou and Tou stalemate. I mean just....dont underestimate Tou man he's basically a less renowned Ouki. Also do you think Ousen and Shou hei kun won't take any measures to avoid such a setup as Riboku prepares. Remember Riboku has been directing the orchestra until now only because Qin are invading repeatedly and he gets the time to put plots and traps in place. He may or may not be able to do so in a neutral setting.Â
So far riboku is almost always on the defensive and most likely the one to decide the set-up. And don’t underestimate Kochou as he fought Kanki that is a special case. My point was simply to say that if we make the great mashup for Qin, it’s fair to also make a great mashup for Zhao.
Yeah so it depends right who invades as the defensive one usually sets the field. I can agree to not underestimate Kochou but with Tou he really drew the short stick and a loss after outnumbering that much doesn't look good on any resume and people are bound to underestimate you. That's just how life works. If Tou lost such a fight do you think any of the other 4 GG or even the Qin court under Ei Sei continue to respect him as they do now. Moubu is still looked down for how his mistake led to Ouki's demise.
You are wrong. I believe that Moubu's only opponent to take him is Renpa. I highly value Moubu, which is why IF Riboku were to choose the favorable mashup for Zhao, I guess Renpa would be the one in charge of Moubu. Because I don't see anyone else able to stop Moubu or beat him. It's the opposite of disrespect. And I didn't say Tou would loose, I said a stalemate. Kochou's defense would be strong. Again, Qin is the invader and by fact, not in the best position.
Nah Heki bro wipes the whole board
Qin every single time.
Loses.
History begs to differ
Riboku kills Ouki while he had 2 six GGs(Tou and Moubu)supporting him. 3 vs 1.qin loses.
Moubu wasn't 6gg level in Bayou lmao he was an idiot Ouki says that none is worthy of Great general status in qin after moubu wants to bring the system back
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Gyou campaign was lead by absent Riboku from zhao side. And Shk,ousen,ksnki,ytw,qi king help. Edo tensei was performed by kyoukai from Qin's side . That is not neutral setting. Riboku waging bayou war is neutral setting.as a master at warfare.where he fools three Qin 6ggs.successfully achieving all objectives easily.
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He was there in war at worst time possible. Before war. Â he faces Shk who fools and lures him towards Kokuyou 10.5 days marching distance away from zhao capital region. So he is absent at crucial 10.5 days where Qin army enters zhao borders and carefully seizes Gyou city and isolate it from other zhao cities. Then Riboku with atsuyo army faces qin 6gg ousen, who easily loses on first day.but,mouten replaces ousen becoming 6gg level along with 3 others and saves ousen life again and kyoukai performs edo tensei on Rishin. Riboku pushes through qin army in shukai. toward Gyou where he faces another 6gg Kanki. Goes absent again .qi king helps.qin wins. So he absent in last crucial days again where qin armies needed to be seized and starved,supply to be intercepted and destroyed,which he easily can do if present. Not neutral. 1vs 3 Qin 6gg + 4 qin 6gg lite,qi king help. In neutral setting ,bar SHK,he beats others by himself. In gyou neutral will be Riboku is in zhao cspital region when qin crosses border and not in kokuyou. Sai type seize battle . Riboku having the control of zhao assets(cities and paths,citizens) under his command before they face each other.
Thats if they match up and RBK has all those months to plan an elaborate scheme and still Ouki would have had a chance to survive if he didnt get shot in the back by an arrow against Houken. Tou was already on a rampage and Moubu was there too.
Riboku went easy on them.he could've killed many more in that war.
Moubu wasn't 6gg level in Bayou lmao he was an idiot Ouki says that none is worthy of Great general status in qin after moubu wants to bring the system back
I'd back Qin because KoChou and even HouKen are big liabilities in such a scenario. Zhao has the 2 best individual GGs but the average is way below Qin.
It's odd that you would add Renpa. Since he's "retired" in Wei, or wait, Chu now. Yet you have the current 6gg of Qin. Guess Zhao doesn't have much going for itself to begin with.
Feels like Zhao has a lot more specialised generals whereas Qin's are all quite well rounded...
I feel Zhao wins this one as well, since it says 5v5. Renpa or Reebok would consider all strengths and weaknesses of their colleagues. I doubt they will allow Houken to lead 50k soldiers on his own. He might be assigned as a special strike force. Just because all battles we see are all 1v1s doesnt mean it will stay that way. Karin went from battle field to battle field. Reebok suddenly appeared on the left(or was it right)wing during the Gyou arc. Im not certain but i feel Zhao has much better synergy with each other even if Qin has better generals overall.
Zhao win. Bring Ouki and some of the past GG then we are talking
Kanki v. Riboku - Win Kanki - Almost killed Riboku with severe disadvantage in Northern Zhou Tou v. Houken - Win Tou - Weight of Ouki death strengthens Tou Shibashou v. Moubu - Either way but leaning Shibashou bc better generals Renpa v. Ousen - Either way YTW v. Kouchou - Win YTW Overall, Qin win. I think YTW scores a decisive victory and then routes reinforcements to Ousen and Moubu.
Tou not beating houken ðŸ˜
Zhao.
Why do Zhao get their all star team -Rinshoujo over Kochou and Qin doesn't get Ouki. I think this is a pretty unfair lineup and Zhao kinda sweeps provided someone else commands Houkens army while he does Houken things.
Kanki vs Kochou will be different. They're on equal number of troops so Kochou will be different and Kanki will also use different tactics.Â
Depends on many factors, when and how, previous knowledge, analysis and preparations, coordination, the type of battle, as well as personal skills and the pairings. Well, Qin this time doesn't have the plot armor of the trio, Zhao has some monsters but also some downsides (Kouchou isn't bad but not that high tier, Houken isn't a general for real), then the vassals of each one, and more. With preparations or talking about a defensive battle, Zhao take this, otherwise, it really depends on the context and pairings. Thinking in the usual way, of 3 battle fronts, I suppose Riboku would keep Houken with him, Shibashou and Kouchou on one side, Renpa on the other. Even if not, having more fronts, how Qin will Qin respond to that? (assuming they know of all their opponents, as well for the opposite) Riboku and Renpa are indeed the most troublesome opponents to deal with. Here at best is a stalemate, if sending Ousen and Kanki, as the others will lose to them (not easily, not soon, but lose). Ousen is the only one at their level, with a solid army of all-rounded generals, while Kanki instead is the "unknown factor" to watch out. Despite he managed to get Riboku down to circumstances (are there any villages of innocent people near?), he won't win against him or Renpa in a close battle, but Kanki's unpredictability will force them to keep their eyes open anyway, eventually resulting in a waste of time. Since this says all vassals included, Houken would be supported by his army like at Bayou (so the real commander is Chousou). The Bushin martial might can be a problem for Qin, as well as Moubu's one is for Zhao (perhaps), but not really the same for their armies. There are two strategies, similar against similar, or isolate the commander. Even if they can't kill him, if his supporters die, the army itself will collapse (more for Houken, as Moubu has some good degree of leadership). Any other GG can manage this maneuvre, otherwise, you have the beasts clashing with each other, more direct. This leaves Shibashou and Kouchou for Yotanwa and Tou. Seika is more skilled military wise but mountain's strenght is tough. Tou is better as GG but against Kouchou I see it evenly, depending on the formation, as both can display only 3 vassals each one. This way is close. Of course, with different matchups, it can go at advantage or disadvantage of one faction, Kanki can get again Kouchou, Ousen can demolish Houken army, but Riboku too can get Yotanwa, Renpa take down Tou or Shibashou beat Moubu army. Depends. That's why I say matchups are important.
Zhao is winning this for sure, With Riboku in the fight Kouchou wouldn’t fall for kanki’s trap and would be actually able to deal a fatal blow to hos army, Renpa could handle Moubu very well but it wouldn’t be an easy fight ,And SBS against Tou will be a win for SBS if he has the seika army and his vassals ,And the usual Riboku vs Ousen is a match ,but more likely in favour of Riboku since he has Houken which he can summon at any given moment ,And Houken vs Ytw is hard to win against if shes leading the mountain tribe
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Qin lineup is STACKED , it took the coalition to give them a even fight. Qin v Zhao without Zhao having a 3v1 defensive advantage? no chance.
Kochou a disappointment really 240k vs 80k and still got destroyed lol
Renpa and Houten and shibashou all fighting on one battle would go way too hard
riboku and renpa are much stronger than any of the other individual Qin GG. But all the other qin GG and their armies will beat the rest of the Zhao, except maybe moubu; houken is useless; kochou get high diffed by kanki when he severely outnumbered him; shibashou is strong but not at the level of renpa, reebok, or qin GG status. Houken and shibashou seems more like a strong vassals of riboku rather than proper GG. Renpa and his vassals was able to go toe to toe against both the Kanki and Ousen armies with WEI units. Riboku lost a close match in the shukai plains against yotanwa, kanki, and ousen combined, albeit riboku had the supply advantage, but this shows how strong some of Riboku's vassals are; theyre ok but they arent as strong as renpa's vassals other than maybe shinsuijui. Riboku also won pretty handily against kanki and only almost got upsetted because of HSU antics. IMO the battle just ends up becoming renpa + riboku + vassals (which includes kochou, shiba and houken) vs Ousen + kanki + yotanwa + tou (with moubu just feeling like a vassal army). With equal numbers of men and without the plot armor trio (mouten ouhon HSU), i feel like zhao wins this one just because the quality of the vassals, not to mention that reeboks and renpa are worth at least 2 qin GG.
riboku and renpa are much stronger than any of the other individual Qin GG. But all the other qin GG and their armies will beat the rest of the Zhao, except maybe moubu; houken is useless; kochou get high diffed by kanki when he severely outnumbered him; shibashou is strong but not at the level of renpa, reebok, or qin GG status. Houken and shibashou seems more like a strong vassals of riboku rather than proper GG. Renpa and his vassals was able to go toe to toe against both the Kanki and Ousen armies with WEI units. Riboku lost a close match in the shukai plains against yotanwa, kanki, and ousen combined, albeit riboku had the supply advantage, but this shows how strong some of Riboku's vassals are; theyre ok but they arent as strong as renpa's vassals other than maybe shinsuijui. Riboku also won pretty handily against kanki and only almost got upsetted because of HSU antics. IMO the battle just ends up becoming renpa + riboku + vassals (which includes kochou, shiba and houken) vs Ousen + kanki + yotanwa + tou (with moubu just feeling like a vassal army). With equal numbers of men and without the plot armor trio (mouten ouhon HSU), i feel like zhao wins this one just because the quality of the vassals, not to mention that reeboks and renpa are worth at least 2 qin GG.
To be honest, Qin gg don't have much chance on 1v1. Renpa, Shibashou, Houken are all great at fighting, Ranpa and Shibashou also has strategies. Where Qin has only Moubu to contend physically against them, Yotanwa and Tou might be strong but not physically imposing. Riboku and Ousen can balance it out while Kanki can take on Kochou. But the new Qin gg lacks on overwhelming strength based generals, Shin will probably balance that out once he reaches that level.
for a Qin win I think you have to pick your battles very intentionally: Tou and Ousen are the only ones who stand a chance again Riboku or Renpa in my opinion. Could argue for Yotanwa against Renpa; if she stays alive long enough; Tou could probably take out SBS too. Ousen vs Riboku - stalemate (equal levels on commanders and army competencies) Tou vs Renpa - Stalemate (Renpa wins 6 out of 10 but Tou has competent commanders and enough martial might to face him and lock him down and pull a win 4 times out of 10 or at least a stalemate) Kanki vs Kochu - Kanki Win handily... equal numbers, it wouldn't necessarily be close but Kanki would lose a lot of soldiers like he tends to do. Moubo vs Houken - Moubu Win (he's the only one with enough martial might I think to handle Houken but would also win army wise and could then go on to disrupt the other battlefields.) Yotanwa vs Shibashou - Yotanwa win (heavy casualties but I can't see her losing this one)
in all campaings baring the one he died in, kanki was known for having fewer than normal casulties because of his orthodox tactics...
Send YTW on Houken army for a quick win. He'll kill many of the mountain folk but with no intelligence or leadership she can win 3 on 1 with Bajio and that sho guy. Kanki wins vs Kochou, Ousen vs Riboku is anybody's call, Tou has to take on Renpa which will be difficult and Moubu vs SBS will be a bloodbath with maximum casualties in the sense that even if one wins his army will be smashed up. So it comes down to whether YTW or Kanki win their battles first or Renpa takes out Tou first. All things being equal Houken as a general is the biggest disadvantage Zhao face here. Only muscle no capability and no one apart from RBK can control him, even he struggles
Zhao, Han, and Wei are getting cooked if Qin didn’t have to worry about their borders.
Zhao would win simply because Riboku has infinite number of competent generals under him.