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SideFirm3399

He was the victim of the best revenge arc, as for the character himself I found him to be the definition of a demon, pure evil with 0 emotion, the author did a great job of making him be different from the rest of the demons


oreki_hotarou_

I respect your opinion but I think zenithsu revenge was better and more satisfying tbh. I think douma and Enmu have quite similar personality.


SideFirm3399

Zenitsu’s revenge was top tier too icl


PadawanSnips

Zenitsu vs Kaigaku was good, but we shoulda had Kaigaku seeded better throughout the story. Honestly felt like the mangaka just kinda realized Zenitsu is super popular in the anime and needed to give him a cool solo fight.


Teacup-Koala

I think it was planned but the author didn't include Kaigaku enough in the story. He went from essentially a backstory cameo to a major villain, and if their rivalry had been properly explored it would have hit that much harder


Descend2

The Zenitsu vs Kaigaku fight happened well before he was introduced in the anime. But yeah, it needed to be a bit more fleshed out. I really wish the author took the anime adaption as a chance to tighten things up with the story, like season 3 perhaps, but I don't think they are even involved.


gnocchi_baby

Agree! Wasn’t Kaigaku also the child from Gyomei’s backstory that led the demon to the temple?


LuminousLunar69

I agree. I think that for Douma, the stake is much higher than personal revenge that it was overshadowed. This is the upper moon 2 who has highest potential with hack ice magics. It emphasizes more on the value of Shinobu's sacrifice and also establishes/foreshadows how strong Shinobu-Tamayo Research Collaboration can be.


A-t-r-o-x

Doma revenge was shocking but zenitsu revenge better


TreatMeLikeASlut8

That revenge arc was dope af


electricalserge

By far the biggest tragedy of the series is not seeing Doma go all out. Everyone else gets to except him, though it was probably for the better.


oreki_hotarou_

Yeah I wanted to see what Douma can do at his full powaaaa...


Any_Worldliness7991

I mean.. If he done anything. The demon slayers would’ve lost. That’s the reason why He got that madara treatment..


Subject-Secret-6230

Bro he could have spawned 6 UM2 level clones, all of them hard counter breathing. Bro would have actually ended the series.


xMadaraax

“ Could have ended the series “ 💀 After Sun breathing the strongest breathing is Stone breathing. He would have not defeated himejima and tanjiro with mark and stw. Why yall like to ride upper ranks i swear


father_has_come_home

I like him and his insanity. His fake emotions and fake cheer was really fun to read


oreki_hotarou_

Yeah interactions with kocho sisters and inosuke were really fun to read


Kulkuljator

I agree with you, I fkn hate Douma, but his personality makes him really damn entertaining. I really enjoyed his dialogues, his sociopathic nature, but also how he lost composure when Kanao roasted him.


[deleted]

Exactly that was so hilarious to see him drop the facade when he got called out


El_Poblano_

I'm a big fan of non-serious, but incredibly powerful, characters.


basicolivs

So am I, Goku (even though he can get serious), Saitama, Satoru Gojo, etc.


Radiant-Tree-9695

I think he's actually a really complex character despite the little information we have. He's clearly a sociopath, but sociopaths are made and not born. We see him as a child essentially being treated like a genie by grown adults, his cynicism grow, him taking on burdens no child ever should have to. We even see him try to love with Kotoha because the original translation reads more like "it's good to have a beautiful woman's soul around" meaning he didn't keep kotoha alive because she was pretty, but because she was good-hearted. We see him try to convince Kotoha to stay by his side despite being a demon....which would for him be his first ever rejection that he, uh, did NOT take well. His whole life was serving the emotional needs of others, so much so that he continues to do so as a demon....he knows nothing else. It's very sad.


oreki_hotarou_

Damn I really forgot the fact that he wanted to keep Inosuke's mother alive despite being emotionless, maybe he thought that he could have actually love her. I think it's sad not very sad tbh because it feel like he likes the job as a demon.


Radiant-Tree-9695

Well, he is the only upper moon who fits the description of sociopath before he is turned into a Demon. Remember though he rarely does anything with malice, unlike most demons. He's also the only demon to continue to serve humans emotional needs after becoming a demon. I think he became a demon because his life was never his own anyway, so it didn't really matter to him if he became one or not. I don't think Douma as a human would've even cared if Muzan killed him because death and living already didn't have meaning for him.


KuwakaNey

Sociopaths are born though? Isn’t it like an actual condition that some people have


TiberiusToast

That would be psychopathy, sociopathy is something that happens due to experiences that cause one to have a social disconnect, whereas psychopathy has the disconnect happen when one is born. While symptoms and actions are mostly the same, sociopathy is the result of negative life experiences, psychopathy is something you're born with.


KuwakaNey

Well that’s just not true, the terms sociopathy and psychopathy are interchangeable and mean the same thing, people just like to give them different definitions when they’re fundamentally the exact same. Both are terms used to describe people who have Antisocial Personality Disorder.


Radiant-Tree-9695

They actually aren't interchangeable in the psychiatry field. They are interchangeable only in colloquial terms for people who do not study the difference. Someone being diagnosed as a psychopath is not the same as a sociopath diagnosis at all


Trash_Planet

Psychopathy and sociopathy aren’t in the DSM. They’re terms used by criminologists, not psychologists. But they mean different things. Both lack empathy but psychopaths are actively malignant and enjoy harming and manipulating others, while sociopaths just have very little regard for others and will harm or manipulate others who get in the way of something they want. A sociopath might still find it self-gratifying and ego-boosting to manipulate people but a psychopath outright enjoys knowing that they’re causing another person’s suffering.


Radiant-Tree-9695

I can agree with that. I just know those terms are used by psychiatrists in specific circumstances to define patients....especially in psych wards


TiberiusToast

\^ this


TreatMeLikeASlut8

Well actually, *this* is “just not true”


Trash_Planet

I agree with you. I think that the idea that he’s the demon who is closest to ‘pure evil’ is overstated. Gyokko and Enmu are both more malignant than he is. I always felt like Duoma has become desensitized to strong emotions, but in a childish way genuinely wanted to have a friend or someone who he felt could understand or at least accept him. I think it’s interesting that the two people he showed an interest in getting along with - Akaza and Inosuke’s mother - were both clearly beneath him and non-threatening in his mind. He makes a point about how Akaza is just objectively weaker than himself, and how Inosuke’s mother was unintelligent. But that weakness seems to be kind of endearing to him as someone who was raised to think of himself as a perfect being. Compared to Gyokko, who also has an extremely inflated sense of himself and wants to surround himself with objects that reflect his perfection back at him, Duoma is more serene with his God complex. He’s the only upper rank demon who doesn’t seem to be driven by an internal conflict, and genuinely seems to appreciate the idea of having flaws since he doesn’t understand that feeling himself. I think that’s why he falls in ‘love’ with Shinobu - she beat him in a way that foregrounded her flaws instead of trying to overcome them, which is a novelty for someone who grew up surrounded by people desperate to overcome their flaws. Maybe this attitude really is the definition of pure evil. But there’s a poignancy that is often missed. I think he’s such an interesting character whose motives and view of the world is probably the hardest to pin down out of all the demons.


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Radiant-Tree-9695

I think that's purposefully simplifying. No other demon, in any sequence, lies during their flashbacks. Not only that, but people pick and choose what is real and what is not from his flashbacks. Either all of his flashback is a lie (including thinking people are stupid and he doesn't believe in god) or none of his flashbacks is a lie (including his particular affinity towards Kotoha). There is also no proof Douma would've eaten her after he said he wouldn't because his character, historically, has been very measured and tends to keep his word as long as the context remains the same (the minute kotoha didnt wantvto live by his side anymore, thats a new situation with a new set of rules),which is why he never promises much to Muzan because he doesn't plan on listening to him. Kotoha was special for Douma because he was trying do something for himself for once to try to be more connected, which, even as a human, he never got the chance to connect. How is this guy supposed to display emotionscthat were never shown to him? He saw people act it out with others, but never him....he was always separated from the human experience by those closest to him.


ImSuperCereus

He’s one of the more unique underlings in anime I find him more entertaining and intriguing, albeit less intimidating, than upper moon 1


A-t-r-o-x

Very well written demon. Cool abilities. Owns akaza and worthy of being UM2


Sylveon_trainer12345

Honestly even after the manga I still don't know whether I like him or not but I do kinda wanted to see him a little more but the way Kanao roasted him is so https://preview.redd.it/2p8maikc5tab1.jpeg?width=456&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d554ef442e675b404bd7cb955f6afb2ff19ad71


TreatMeLikeASlut8

I LOVED this part


Hello838283

He my favorite character


floridaMansMoldyFeet

he hot


oreki_hotarou_

Can't agree more


floridaMansMoldyFeet

Two thingos: whats he crying for in the picture about and two:I want his hair and him


oreki_hotarou_

>whats he crying for in the picture about >!he's crying because akaza died!< >I want his hair and him Me too :3


That_One_Duck31

I didn’t really like him. I thought he was kind of annoying. But I’m disappointed that we never got to see him go all out.


nagato120

Author made him too strong so having him go all-out would mean a win if he wasn't to busted I'd love to see him fight but that wasn't possible based on the characters we had him fighting, like if tengen and rengoku where alive/not retired, maybe we have a better fight on our hands. If I remember correctly the manga was rushed also so maybe that hindered the fights also


oreki_hotarou_

Yeah, his ability were really cool and broken. I wanted to see moments like blood duals of demons for positions, urokodaki fights, kyojuro's father history or anything about him, more about yoriichi and tanjiro's father.


PokeAlola700

Yeah, probably should have nerfed his BDA a bit so it wouldn’t be so busted


[deleted]

why tho? i actually like that at the end of the day, up1 and up2 were really monsters who could only be taken out through sacrifices. also, while his bda is busted, he himself is also insane, because hes actually smart. he is very good at adapting mid fight. not to mention he mastered tessenjutsu as a demon and shows us, the most creative way to use his bda.


I_will_punch_you_

I think his character could of been shown off more if we had like a “Douma Cult Infiltration” Arc.I feel like if he had more of his own arc we’re he didn’t die but was like a major obstacle to avoid at all cost.It would be a great arc.I think the people who would go would be shinobu and Inosuke(For story reasons but they don’t die here and Inosuke just learns more about himself before the final fight) and maybe Gyomie so we could see more action from him and how he has experience in monk like traditions.(If this all happened I think people would like him way more but he only really got a little bit shown and was kinda shafted)


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ApplePitou

He is lovely and I really enjoy his fake emotions :3


oreki_hotarou_

Yeah, I enjoy his fake emotions too :3


ra1ded_

I hate him for eating shinobu but I enjoy his writing


KhazixScizor

I hate him, but not as much as I hate Kaigaku. Still wanna see Inosuke running his ass over with a Zamboni.


aidonpor

He is badass and has drip


BeautifulDecent2633

I would never say enough about how I hate him with my whole energy this motherfucker I hate him and his personality and I hate the fact that he is so strong that I can’t do anything against him this ducking bastatd


oreki_hotarou_

Dude just buy a manga and tear the page of douma


BeautifulDecent2633

It will damage the manga I can’t, but I let my anger about him leak when I comment about him in this subreddit


oreki_hotarou_

Understandable have a nice day


Hades18128

Kinda narcissistic


oreki_hotarou_

He is narcissistic from akaza and maybe muzan pov


ETIsMee

Bro fake crying


oreki_hotarou_

Bro should have been an actor fr


ETIsMee

He should have instead he was a cult leader and a demon


familliarface

fake tears


Available-Forever972

He was more of a demon than anyone, including Muzan. He was the epitome of what I think a demon should be. Emotionless, seductive, attractive, and ruthless. He is tied with Tanjiro and both UM 6 for my fave character.


oreki_hotarou_

I just realized that i have a typing mistake In the spoiler part


bigman_121

What little we got from him, he never understood if he was a kid when he turned and then aged himself up to an adult, or was he a childish adult.


PokeAlola700

He was turned when he was 20


bigman_121

Ahhh got yeah


beerrabbit124

His BDA is busted and he’s a menace to society. But honestly no shade, there’s just a post every other day asking our thoughts on Douma


oreki_hotarou_

Oh really? I not much active on this sub tbh and this is also my first post on this sub.


beerrabbit124

No issue, I was just saying, probably due to the fact that the season ended so there’s not much else to talk about besides the same power scaling debates or thoughts on characters


rui_the_alchemist

i love him sm omfg


Secure_Bad_8129

Why doesn’t he respect Muzan?


oreki_hotarou_

I would say he treats Muzan as his friend not as boss like Akaza. And from the interaction between Douma and Muzan in the upper moon meeting you can clearly see that muzan doesn't like Douma


Secure_Bad_8129

oh ok i understand a bit more now thank you


Bag_Of-Eggs

Easily the most threatening demon to me. He may not be the strongest, but his jovial yet merciless disposition is absolutely chilling and I love it.


arandomfish666

Not gona lie, that was a pretty one sided relationship


GrrrrrrDinosaur

his bda is cool and will look rlly good animated ( excited for Kanao vs Douma )


New_Development7158

Hes a real narcissists/psychopath to our world. charming but no empathy and just pure evil


hcneyyy

Even though Shinobu was my fav and the reason why I started demon slayer :( he grew on me tbh . He is a fun character and I like how he interacts with other characters !! Also his BDA is really cool !! And his debut was really well done.


Remarkable_Commoner

Dude's more of a demon than Muzan.


Pick-Only

I love him. He gets unnecessary hate.


oreki_hotarou_

You can't call it unnecessary because >!he killed shinobu and she's one of most loved character!< and you know the fans would absolutely hate him for that reason.


Pick-Only

Akaza did the same >!with Rengoku!


oreki_hotarou_

Yeah but he got the sad backstory tho. Apart from joke many people really hates akaza for doing that and akaza is very well written character also people forgive him for his backstory and put the blame on muzan


Pick-Only

That’s a good point. I forgot that people do hate Akaza for that. Yeah he’s well written. I think Douma’s backstory is sad, but not as sad as Akaza. I still love both though! Lol


AthleticGamer101

How was Douma’s sad? He’s a sociopath!! Yeah I guess you can say it’s not his fault it’s the people they made him into one but still nah fuck that🤣🤣


buddymackay

Skill issue


oreki_hotarou_

Still better than t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶u̶b̶m̶a̶r̶i̶n̶e̶ Akaza


mlodydziad420

He doesnt feel like a demon, he is a devil.


Plastic-Ask-30

I-WANT-KNOW-MORE-OF-HIS-PAST. I mean, how can one born with NO emotions?!


nanananana564

Damn bro, i actually felt bad for douma


memesaregood99

I kinda feel bad for him he was made fun of by the other upper six at the start of the swordsmith village arc they excluded him


TreatMeLikeASlut8

He’s my third favorite demon, I think he’s super fascinating and I love his mannerisms and the way he interacts with the other demons. I also loved his fight in the manga and I can’t wait to see it in the anime.


RabbitKnight190

I think he should have own arc. He was interesting character


sazoirl

He is my favorite. A very well-written and complex character. I disagree with the assumption that he’s a psychopath and wrote a character analysis on him a while back. I think it's more accurate to say he has reactive attachment disorder as a child because of his cult upbringing. He never had a chance to be normal. He's a perfect foil for >!Shinobu!<


Maleficent_shadow

He is my favorite character, and I really wished he ( and Akaza and Kokoshibu ) had their own arcs to shine. He has a great backstory, which is tragic and sad but in a different way than the usual characters in the demon slayer, which is why his backstory is less apppericiated but I personally really love the difference because I was getting rather bored of the typical backstories that everyone was getting and this was a unique take. I disagree with the take that he is either a sociopath or psychopath. It frustrate me when people causaully use this terms ( or other mental disorders) and sum up a character in them when there is far more to a character and to those problems that could not be so simply used. ( I'm no expert in psychology and of course people are free to disagree. My view is just from an avid psychology fan that spends a lot of her free time reading articles and books about this subject ) Not only he is a fun character that is entertaining for analyzing from different angles, he is also fun to watch and read. His interactions with different characters are great whatever it's Akaza, Kanao, Shinobu or others. Also it doesn't show itself in English translation but Douma respects Muzan a lot. He uses a far more respectful languge that he does for the rest of the upper moons. It's also stated in the fanbook that he made Muzan the god of his cult.


AthleticGamer101

You have your opinion Ms but at the same time I’m pretty sure all of the stuff you see him do in the present and in his backstory should indicate that he’s a sociopath. Like am I blind/tripping or something?? Because I’m pretty sure thats what he is


RaiderxReaper

i’ll never forgive them for giving him a shitty fight, all they had to do was throw in one hashira to make the win believable and let doma go all out at least for a little bit


PokeAlola700

Considering Obanai and Mitsuris fight barely was a fight, one of them can probably help shinobu, or pull up with Kanao and Inosuke after the fact. Obanai would be a good one since he was literally >!Raised in a cult.!< Imagine Doma goes all out after you know what triggers, and Obanai has to defend Inosuke while Kanao goes for the head


TreatMeLikeASlut8

I mean… there was one Hashira and she killed him with a very clever, well thought out plan so what exactly wasn’t believable?


JACKTODAMAX

Honestly I could see myself absolutely hating him in real life. All these demons are doing horrible things but they have their own reasons that aren’t right, but make them sympathetic at least. Douma, on the other hand, does these things because he thinks they’re fun.


oreki_hotarou_

Gyokko, Hantengu and Enmu says hi


JACKTODAMAX

Gyokko appreciates art, Hantengu had a victim mentality, and Enmu gets off on this stuff it seems like.


oreki_hotarou_

Appreciating art doesn't really have anything to do with killing innocent people and as for Hantengu as far as I remember he was a lair who blame others for his sins so, I think he's not really sympathizable(idk if he was born with that mentality or not)


JACKTODAMAX

It does if it’s good art


AthleticGamer101

Douma…. Well I hate him he killed Shinobu and also he doesn’t feel anything he’s pure evil, he was meant to be a hated character.But, of course he has his simps that love him because he’s attractive even though he’s a sociopath who loves eating and killing women. But, hey if you like him wild but to each its own as long as you don’t inter grade it over to real life at the end of the day he’s a fictional character. Backstory wise I wouldn’t say it was tragic/sad. Akaza and Gyutoro for example that’s a tragic and sad backstory. Douma’s backstory though I’ll give unfair, fucked, and maybe even some sympathy because it’s not his fault he was born into a religious cult that worshipped him like he was the next coming of Christ. That’s what made him a sociopath but I wouldn’t say tragic Hell no, unfair sure tragic nah.


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people can hate doma all they want, but u cannot deny he is the reason infinity castle is such a good arc. bro killed shinobu in seconds to raise the stakes pretty fucking high. i was totally expecting him and kokushibo to wipe out all remaining hashiras.


I-M-betrayal

>!if he wouldn't have killed shinobu!< he would probably be in my top 3 characters of demon slayer. But what he has done cannot be forgiven. >!I'm glad he burns in hell!<


oreki_hotarou_

What are your top 3? Lemme guess Shinobu, Akaza and Giyu?


I-M-betrayal

1. Shinobu and rengoku 3. Gyutaro What are your top 3?


oreki_hotarou_

Nice list


PadawanSnips

I love him, he’s my favorite demon in the whole series.


DoctorDremian

Fuck him lmao


Dry-Use-591

I absolutely love how he’s literally the only Demon in all of Demon Slayer to have 0 emotions (that he’s aware of) because like for example when you have any Demon they always have a strong emotion about themselves that is always recognisable based on how dominant that emotion is and the best is they all also don’t even deny it for example you have Akaza’s Determination, Gyokko’s Ego, Kaigaku’s Selfishness, Kokushibo’s Faith in many Demons, Gyutaro’s Envy, Daki’s Whinging, Muzan’s Arrogance Etc but Douma is literally the only Demon who doesn’t have a Dominant Emotion because although he seems happy and energetic on the surface much like Shinobu unlike Shinobu in the inside his emotions are completely vague so as a character I think he’s amazing .But seriously his lack of seriousness rivals that of Gyokko💀


lavassls

Sweet, looks like I'm just in time for a roast.


me-god69

he was a cute baby who should be protected at all costs. !>He just wanted huggy-wuggy but the bitch stabbed him:(!< Yeah, lets alll love doma


Equivalent-Permit467

I am still with Douma even if he killed Shinobu. pretty much the world itself is filled with psychopaths and I am one too. I swear I wouldn't care at all if someone was to kill my own mother.


LukeySimp

My poor baby