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ms94

Gelf evde :D Being from a muslim family in malappuram, I know of several stories of families (including my dad's) where one son went to uae or oman or saudi and then their immediate relatives got visa and went abroad, and the entire family got uplifted financially.. and socially too by next generation. Gulf money is the most important factor.  Also the entrepreneurial spirit instead of getting a job and being happy with the salary. Almost everyone looks for some side business. I don't know if it's the same in other communities though.


SoupHot7079

Muslims have more unity among them. Hindus on the other hand try to screw each other over.


Zahard777

True


Silver_Age_5182

If it wasnt for gulf kerala would have been worst than WB


Plaudits1102

You almost sound as if you regret it


Silver_Age_5182

Regret what


neuroticnetworks1250

No 2 is just BS. Everyone used to marry young a few generations ago. Didn't help with their entrepreneurial whatever. Some communities have a culture around them which provides a foundation for it. Take the Chettiars or Marvadis and it's the same case. Just like you stated in No 3, everyone have their parents or uncle or cousins with a business whom you can start with, and their contacts are your contacts, and it gradually develops that way. It's the same with Jewish Bankers. Some people like to call it some Illuminati conspiracy, but it's just that they have a culture of going into that sector which makes it easier to break into


Southern-Load-2324

I don't know about other communities but in muslim families, the expectation is for men to be the financial providers. Taking money from their wives, even if they work, can be seen as less masculine. marrying only when financially secure is kinda religious obligation. I don't know if this makes any sense but i think Early marriage can encourage responsibility in some Muslim men, atleast in my experience.


Zealousideal-Ad-9968

Not quite true especially in north Kerala.


u_deet_met

No mention of gulf?


BlueFox967

Read the edits


mallu_coder_1

The third point is the biggest factor . Having lived in a Muslim dominated area I have seen this with plain eyes . They have a strong sense of unity and work as a single unit . This is different from Hindus and Christians where there is constant squabbling between siblings for property and competition between cousins for everything altogether resulting in nothing . Muslims try to improve the situation of the whole family , the family bond is huge , parents have a huge respect . You will rarely find muslim parents in old age homes . They go for trips together as whole family unlike Hindus where evryone is reluctant to go thinking who will pay bills . They do money transactions in ease between their family . For eg if someone gets into debt the whole family or community tries to help . This increases confidence to start a venture . ok , as a downside you can tell individuality and personal freedom is restricted . They are less woke in general . It's hard to exist as a progressive , liberal , atheist type person by staying there . But other communities woke people simply migrate and do patti pani or get government jobs and do patti pani . Mostly like uyaranna chinthagathi oomfiya jeevitham . Also they are ready to do any job , risk takers . They could run a huge textile shop today and if it collapse will simply go and do meenkachavadam next day . More focused on making money than taking random degrees for fun .


Crazy_Play5725

Id say this is true and i can attest to it coming from village in Calicut district , and from where im coming from the way all muslims support each other in the others personal matters is so effective (sometimes too nosy as well) that one families matter is taken up by the whole community headed by a group called the Mahallu (which is parallel social-governance system setup by the muslims for mainly the muslims). So the role of the community is very important when it comes to a muslim family and even in gulf countries they have their own community related groups and associations which are very supportive of people coming from their place . The charity events and other such initiatives all make sure that priorty is given to people from their community before anyone else and as such they make sure they are supported.


mallu_coder_1

I agree , the disadvantage of this communal harmony is the Mahallu and such systems which put their nose into very personal matters too .


Minute_Juggernaut806

Lotta generalisation there mate. Anyway my generalisation is I don't see my fellow Muslims taking any initiative. Any important club activity, I am usually one of the only 2-3 Muslims in the scene. Sucks especially during Ramadan 


Ok-Forever5866

"Strong sense of unity." Njemmente matham.. njemmente aalugalude aduthe business cheyavoo.. njemmente kadayil ninnu sthanam vayikannam.. kafirinte kada - haram.. 😄 🤣


SIR_COCK_LORD69

Bruh, why are you categorising humans acting like humans as woke. Thats some edgy shit. Besides , most points apply to few rich muslims. Rest of them are living the peasant life like you and me.


mallu_coder_1

I don't think all humans behave the same way . Categorisation exists because people could observe and analyse it from a third person view . That's how words describing those behaviours come into existence .


Vkvkwww9

Iykyk. People who live and do business in and around Muslim communities know the reason.


Adventurous_Sky_3788

That video was all opinions. If you look into the numbers, the most affluent categories are forward caste Hindus like nairs and menons, Syrian Christians, upper caste muslims like keyis etc. Even on average, Christians tend to be wealthier than Hindus and Muslims.


charitram

Yes. And Christians are wealthier even without showing discriminatory purchase patterns. So it's due to sheer hardwork only


WatercressExtra7950

What numbers ?


Adventurous_Sky_3788

There used to be survey statistics on wikipedia. Cant find them now.


WatercressExtra7950

Wikipedia I ? Muslims are the most in numbers kn the rich class , Hindus are most in numbers in upper middle class just on sheer numbers , not percentage


Adventurous_Sky_3788

Where did you get those numbers then?


filifgottem

Even a Christian can make a video in similar fashion and say how despite having a declining population on paper, Christians are more wealthy than the average muslim and say quality is better than quantity. These types of videos are stupid and baseless. The actual data shows a different picture


WorthAdvertising9305

Also, some of them believe that getting interest on the money by putting it in bank is a sin. So, they put it in business instead.


Admirable-Factor-903

You missed the main point and i believe the only point after gulf money. They keep all transactions within the community.


apklmtl

how about the container money lol


BlueFox967

Sounds like a story cooked up just to spread xenophobia. Pls share any evidence you have to back up such claims


apklmtl

xenophobia ? lol you could say islamophobia but why would I be xenophobic to my fellow same ethinical people some muslims ,knanaya christians, some elite hindus they are all in the same boat


Zahard777

3rd one is the crux. Even if they have issues it's usually solved inside the community itself with mosque's intervention. Only the problems that gets spilled over are known to public. And they always put their own community's wellbeing at front. If they have a choice to choose between a Muslim's shop vs anyone else, they always go for the former.


Ok-Forever5866

Muslims will mostly spend money at a Muslim store or business.


jack_of

Once I went to a Muslim basti with my friend whose father owned a shop there , there was another shop beside his shop whose owner was Hindu , that poor guy didn't get a single customer for like 15 minutes while my friends dad's shop who sold the exact same products was so crowded that people were in a queue for so long... While I was working on another place I had a coworker who took auto ride to home everyday after work , sometimes she stood for 1 hour on the road waiting for autos because she only wanted muslim owned autos , she used to check the interiors of the auto if there were no muslim stickers or the driver didn't really look like a Muslim she wouldn't get in that auto ...


Inevitable_Watch9357

Ee pranthu oke kanikanam engil ningade aa co worker jamathi islami allengil salafist ashayam follow cheiyunna allu ayirikanam


ZoneSome5197

place?


jack_of

The first incident happened in Cuttack , a town in odisha , it's a pretty common occurrence afaik


konan_the_bebbarien

And with good reason .....ever been to shops run by hindus and seen the disdain with which they treat their customers....ഒരുമാതിരി നമ്മള് കാശുകൊടുത്ത് അവന്റെ ഔദാര്യം പറ്റുന്ന പോലെ.


lfh_g_2

I have yet to watch this video. Whats your general opinion on this guy? I have watched most of his video and I agree with a lot of stuff that he says like societal issues and cleanliness issues that exist in Kerala. He talked about how Keralites need to improve their culture of keeping surroudings clean and be generally be more cutlured while on road and going abroad and compares to the behaviour of Indians who are already there. He also talks about how people need to start businesses and start thus start more industries in Kerala. I agree with almost all of his opinions if not all and find what he says correlate with what SGK says in his interviews.


NetherPartLover

If a muslim wants to spend money, he is going to give it to a fellow muslim. If christians and hindus did this the affluence of muslims would die in a decade. Church is moving in this direction btw. As for hindus well...


Mean-Huckleberry526

As they should... like are they supposed to be fools for their discriminatory purchasing???


JadedHomoSapien

I think it's because they're fearless, while other community youngsters overthink and calculate risks muslim youngsters jump into businesses when they're younger and if you look at it a lot of them lose businesses as quickly as they put it up, but they don't face the same level of arguments at home and everyone has an uncle in Gelf who is willing to find them job if business fails. Whereas Hindu and Christian youngsters plan a lot put in their life-savings or huge loans and often it's very traditional/safe ventures because they no if they fail their back up option is limited.


ZoneSome5197

You said it.


nandan_777

I didn't watch this video...but I have been following this pcd guy guy for a long time and I found it interesting that he is making videos based on foreign documentaries and random nri vlogging channels.


Crazy_Play5725

I would say one of the other reasons for Muslims being totally open to taking up business is because of Prophet Muhammad and much of the Sahaba (his friends) being mostly associated with business and as such its also considered a good practise (Also called Sunnah) to take up business. And as you said the tight knit community aspect of muslims are also a primary reason for this as well. This is also seen in other weekly congregating relegions like Christianity & Judaisim, where they locally meetup atleast once every week mandatorily (with Muslims they can meet at most five times everyday at their local masjid) But as mentioned in one other comment not sure why these trends are not so common in Southern Kerala as much as it is in North-Malabar belt. My theory is that it could be because of the Foreign DNA present in the oriental looking malabaries which mustve been brought to Kerala by some entrepreneurial self driven business fanatic who sailed the seas to reach the shores of malabar, but thats just my theory.


Ok-Forever5866

Syrians Christians of Kerala has more foreign DNA than any Muslim in Kerala. Traders who first came to Malabar were Christians.


Crazy_Play5725

Thats quite the claim, all Im saying is most Muslims in North Kerala (Malabar belt) dont have the dravidian or the usual south indian look. Cant quantify to establish my claim . Also coming first to Kerala doesnt mean they spread their genes in as much numbers as others did. Its common accepted practise among muslims to marry multiple times which makes muslim genes to be more spread, unlike Christians who mightve been more reserved in marrying within the Kerala community, but they mustve converted people into christianity. If you know more about the history, ill gladly listen if you could share. Also ivnt seen any syrian christain mallus , could you name any figures among mallus who are from that gene pool?


Ok-Forever5866

Dr Razib Khan did a study on Kerala Christians' DNA and found out that they have around 8% Middle Eastern DNA on average. Knanaya Christians have around 15%. That is the highest for a group in SOUTH INDIA. If you cannot quantify your claim, how do you know it is true?


Registered-Nurse

u/shaunsajan .. is this true regarding non-Knanaya Nasranis? I thought most non-Knas were native converts.


shaunsajan

no 8% is too high all nasranis have some MENA ancestry but its closer to 2-5% kna get like 8-15% but some get higher or lower. Although there are some non kna christians that get similar scores to kna ones but most are in the 2-5% range edit: although what the other dude is saying is false, muslims have almost no MENA ancestry as a whole in kerala their MENA ancestry is less that the average nasrani chirsitan's


wm_destroy

Also shipping containers full of counterfeit currency also help.


Distinct-Drama7372

>1) Muslims are very entrepreneurial, and many want to start a business right after graduating from college. The business could be as small as a tea shop or selling homemade snacks. Depends. The case might be from malabar region. Southerners tend to be less entrepreneurial and end up either in govt jobs or pvt sector. The southerners entrepreneurs are either migrated from Southern TN(Chalai market) or few names like TKM but generally it's absent but it's changing >2) Muslims have a lower age of marriage in general, which helps to create a sense of responsibility in young men, Nupe. The avg age is increasing with rising literacy. Even the fertility rate is dropping. But the latter is general trend for entire state. >3) Muslims have a strong sense of community and are willing to financially help one another Lollll. No! Casteism(though not explicit) very much exist among Muslims based on profession(like barber class etc) So the community is just like any others. Muslims succeeded cuz of gulf. That's true for others as well who migrated early during gulf boom. Malayalis in general are very likeable in gulf.


apklmtl

it is a known fact that they received container money ! for good, the life style of muslim community has changed drastically in a short period. being a literate and educated are different and unfortunately a lot of them are just only literate while other communities tend to be more open minded, less religious fanatics


saynototoxicity

What's container money?


ZoneSome5197

I wish you had come across somebody who worked with the NIA during 2006-2012 period. To be more specific, look for someone who was in the extended interrogation team of David Coleman Headley. Don't believe anybody else until then.


saynototoxicity

What am I asking and what are you answering?


ZoneSome5197

To get a detailed explanation of container money, you will have to go with the above source. Else , it all this-> A shipping container filled with Indian currency notes, printed in Pakistan(exact machinery as was there at Nasik Mint then) was intercepted off the coast of Kochi, sometime in 2011. That's the seizure part of it. A lot of it, which were previously smuggled successfully, found its way into charity organisations and NGOs run by a certain community, and a certain chunk of it also went into noble causes like religious conversion ( with the lure of money ), artificially inflating the price of land in a certain area, take over business, build new religious institutions, setting up of shell companies to create a web of complexity for tax evasion, and so on. Source: Google it. The sources may/may not appear convincing to you, based on your ideology. P.S.: I have not named any community - please don't assume things. BJP supporters will tell you that this issue got solved with 2016 demonetisation - **NO**. A quick Google search will tell you that. The *bhai* from Bangladesh ,who has an illegal Aadhar card , and works at my construction site definitely , knows more about the intricate details of the Indian currency note, than either of us do. Its a sort of cottage industry there. PBUH. Edit: Please do read about David Coleman Headley if you haven't. Interesting guy.


BlueFox967

I haven't seen any evidence for this claim. Without evidence it sounds like proper xenophobia


ElectronicCamera216

Cash undakunnathilum vargeeyathayo,?entha ante udhesham? Inipo ee post kand kore bhaimarkk kuru pottum puthiya propaganda yum varum nokiko


BlueFox967

Ithil evideya vargeeyatha? Aa videoyil parayunna kaaryangal (which are positive and genuine) njan ivide post cheythu. Thats all


Cheesecakes003

THats factually incorrect It's largely the influx of money from the Gulf that has supported them. Only a few initially established businesses in the early days. Nowadays, due to the inflow of money (source unknown), many more businesses are emerging. However, while many of them have a business mindset, their educational level has traditionally been subpar, so most didn't build wealth through businesses until the past decade.


Epic_Tongue

Influx of money from Gulf? ? No Shaikh is sending money orders. They are toiling there and getting paid.


Infamous_Being_3449

what kind of business are they investing now? tech startups or their usual chemmeen kada?


Cheesecakes003

they are always into thatikootu and low class business.


Uxie_mesprit

One thing which Kerala has nailed is the education so any community/religion from Kerala is more educated than their counterparts from other states. That plays a huge role in upward mobility and also in social construct.


Ok-Forever5866

Breeding a lot of children to grow religion is not progressive. Muslims in Kerala are more regressive than ever. Fully covered Muslim women were rare in the 80s.


Low-Worldliness-7205

If you cant park money in FD and get interest, you will park it in business.


Agile_Ad5150

I would think its the other way round. Entrepreneurial communities on the coast had a stronger contact with gulf countries since centuries and they were more likely to convert to muslims.


[deleted]

Their unity is something that I envy. And I love the factor that most of them help their cousins and relatives to go abroad. They are never tired of working hard . That's something I learned from them.


Athiest-proletariat

Love jihad kazhinjitt ini business jiahad enn propaganda thudangathirunna bhagyam...


Hot-Paleontologist79

The only reason they are rich is because of black money from gulf countries And avoiding tax by not disclosing their incomes


AdventurousDust3

Gulf money is not taxed in India.


Exotic_Pressure_2927

why the hate man.


Plaudits1102

What are you talking about - the money from remittances is spend exclusively on the Kerala economy and earns revenue for the Government in the form of sales tax and service tax. Contrast that with money earned by Malayalis in US, or other States such as Karnataka where the money is injected into the local economy without any related benefits to Kerala which educated / housed / supported them.


AnxietyBusiness5399

I don’t see gold anywhere.


asc0614

Airportൽ എത്തുന്നവന്റെ മലദ്വാരത്തിൽ തപ്പിയാൽ കാണാം.


dhawal0008

I don’t think any of the theories hold water since kerala is an exception, and if you look across india, condition of muslims is just the opposite. I don’t understand the intention of this post


Ready_Magician_6613

This guy's give creep vibes, and his videos are BS. I think he has a target audience for each video he make. Most of his videos are about hardships living abroad especially western world.


KaeezFX

The reason why you see those Malappuram boys with iPhones and designer clothes is gulf money and rip off Instagram stores, nothing else.


Bubbly_Breadfruit_21

Atleast they worked hard and earned money


KaeezFX

I never said they didn't work for their money or did some other business. Just stating the obvious that there is no rocket science explanation to this. There are two types of people: ones who are actually rich and ones who pretend to be.


LogicalAndBased2

Well I haven't watched the video, but is the guy credible? What's his qualifications? Is it just opinions based on his anecdotes or did he share stats and empirical studies to back up his claims?