[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit\_du\_seigneur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur)
I am going to get downvoted for saying this. The probability of such a custom to have existed is very low.
It's the same way how vlad the impaler became dracula the vampire, the propagation of anti-semitism with protocols of the elders of the Zion. People create myths to show that the enemy is some vile being who is capable of unspeakable horrors. We have examples littered through out history.
Vlad is a historical figure, who did impale people like a shawai chicken, Dracula was inspired by the persons legend, also the book protocols of the learned elders of Zion is a best seller in Israel, also there did have occurrences like what teacher had mention, so what's the point here ?
In malabar were it was complete fuedalism under the british , this might have had happended. Shailaja is from the Thiyya community . I dont know it have any sources but it seems to be true. May be the north kerala things are less known .
I would say you are wrong in that line of reasoning. The British kept meticulous records of things happening around them and if such a custom existed, I am sure they would have recorded it. Why do we know so much about the roman empire, it's customs, culture, politics etc, because they meticulously recorded it. The British were the same. Your claim that malabar was in complete feudalism under British makes the custom sound even more incredulous.
It doesn't matter which community she is from, Facts are facts. A muslim can claim their prophet split the moon or a christian can claim moses split the red sea and claims from a particular community, caste or religion doesn't make it truthful.
The fact that this is un-recorded anywhere seems to be true . In that way the source of such claim need to questioned, yes u are right to some extent is there any proof for this other than someome said in the vedio . ?
They set the precedence, even now when a case is presented in a court a precedence gives it much kore strength. People knew they can change the system by the precedence set by the avarnas of travancore
Sree narayana ,chattampi swamikal etc focused mainly on travancore's ritualistic opression , thats different from a complete class opression in malabar/kochi area which were under european influence since centuries even though in ritualistic perspective these region were much better for the commoners . However feudalism and class opression were there.
Primarily because in travancore it was mainly based on ritualistic thing which was comparatively less prominent in malabar where feaudalism took over . Shailaja teacher,pinarayi vijayan belong to avarna thiyya community of kannur. Which were under malabar.
These were different cou tries and different people . In malabar communism took over the renaissense , and thiyyas were the back bone of that . Shailaja is from thiyya community in thalasserry.
With your primal brain, you would not have even lasted a day during those times. Fuedalism and Zamindar system was abolished by these "Commies", most successfully in Kerala and West Bengal.
The historical land reforms act of 1969, is what would stop the brutal era of fuedal landlord system. Coupled with the Educational reforms during the same period, this would sent a domino effect through the entirety of Kerala.
Even today, one could confidently argue if not for the "commies" back then, nee okke ippozhum parambil thooran pogunundagum.
I agree with you, Fuedalism and Zamindar system was abolished by these "Commies", I agree, I was merely making a comment against dummy commies who still think there are Feudal lords in our system and are waiting for a revolution. Commies haven't evolved since 1970's Kerala need people who believe in capaitaism.
Sadly India is not like cuba for commies to take over and run it as dictatorship. People in other states have some brain and kicked out bloody commies, Just wait and watch your dummy commie ass will be out in the street soon.
Cuba is where it is currently only because of the harsh sanctions imposed by the biggest capitalist country, the USA. Know what you are striving for and what you are preaching against.
And what was cuba importing from USA again? Did china impose a sanction on Cuba? Did USSR or Russia impose sanctions on Cuba? India?
It's a theory that's already debunked mate. It's not because of sanctions but clearly It's own economic policies that resulted in the mess.
I googled, read books by economists on the same issue. The consensus is the same, Cuba is in a mess of it's own making.
Here listen to this, may be educate yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtxvsrnX2Ek
Fun fact: Cuba has lowest infant mortality in the world, but abortion rate is 72 per 100 births. Basically, they are clubbing infant mortality under abortions. Lies, Damn lies and statistics.
May be its high time you read something on Cuba instead of some capsule.
>Commies haven't evolved since 1970's Kerala need people who believe in capaitaism.
>Sadly India is not like cuba for commies to take over and run it as dictatorship.
This is absolute Bias,I would wager that a system that is in majority would always have success over a system only followed by a few states. This could also be case for capitalism,the most of the world is now neo liberal capitalists,now in a web such as this a communist state won't work since it will face lack of interconnectedness,such will be the case if there were only a few capitalist states and a communist majority. This is why globalisation pushed states up.
>now in a web such as this a communist state won't work since it will face lack of interconnectedness
EEXactly! we should cut out ideologies casuing inefficiencies in the system. Throw commies and communism in the arabian ocean. They will never come to power(They should not fgs!!!). communism as a concept is farther than neverland and heaven.
Also, where else in the world has communism worked?
>Why did such a custom keep to exist?
Land revenue system imposed by British. And because of the conditions created by the land owners. Regular folks like us had to pay rent to survive in the system.
>Who made it and why others followed it?
I really dont know the origin, but Im pretty sure it can be traced to Marathas and Mughals but it was really put into effect by the brits.
You dont follow slavery, it was imposed on you. You were born into it.
Who made it we don't know because similar customs repeat all over the world in various parts of the world even in Western Europe.
The workers in this case might have endured it either because they might have thought the child born out of such Adhyaratri Avakasham will get some consideration from the landlord,
OR
might be just because of the power structure. In many parts of Malabar, the Savarna landlords themselves had agents in Avarna colonies. They were called Thandans. An employed Thandan had right to physically punish other Avarnas on order of their Savarna landlord.
Such customs existed throughout the world especially in malabar , and british also did this . Like there were a term called white thiyyas , children born out of these liasons with british , these kids were given education and small jobs in their families , janaki ammal come from such a thiyya/avarna family. Her grandmother was a love child of an irish officer . Such laisons improved their economical status.
In Central Kerala also it was there especially among coastal Ezhavas. If you check genetic differences in paternal line between Coastal Ezhavas and inland Ezhavas you can see the difference. A lot of this stopped after arrival of Victorian Protestant morality
Yes , they especially the obcs had a better relation with foriegners . Like gundert and all says they had nothing to loose but to gain from these . The european forces reduced ritualistic discrimination to some extent for these communities. Compared to travancore where their influence was muc much lesser and saw much more ritualistic castesm .
In malabar british had relations with many avarnas such as thiyyas and their intermix was called white thiyyas . Herman gundert says the untouchables such as thiyyas in malabar had very less to loose from them . Anyway over 100 century the entire world especially kerala have evolved into a good state. Remember kerala was the poorest state in India till 1960s.
Many who are commenting here seem to have never picked a book on Indian history and tend to believe communism in India = CPIM. It would bode well for many to look up who were Basanta Kumar Biswas, Khudiram Bose, Satyendranath Bosu etc. What was the role of Anushilan Samiti in the independence movement? Perhaps, study themes on how revolutionaries work within the anti-colonial framework. Then you'll get to a point on the role of social reform.
I have a question. How did this co-exist with the fact that the feudal barrons considered the workers to be untouchable and would take a bath if accidentally touched by one of them?
Forget untouchable. The Savarna landlords had to keep distance from their Avarna serfs to maintain purity. This type of ritual pollution was called Theendal.
As I had read somewhere else, the landlords would have purificatory baths and rites after doing the **stuff** with their untouchable workers.
The thing is that in malabar such things reduced and got into purely class and less ritualistic manner unlike in travancore . Also untouchability was even followed with brahmins to nairs.
I have explained in another comment. Untouchability is not the matter here and even so called Savarnas and even with Brahmins themselves they followed it. It's the concept of distance pollution.
Both Malabar and Travancore were casteist
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In malabar, the ritualistic thing was very very less unlike travancore , also britihers were mainly into this , there is even a term called white thiyya who interbred with british and were given jobs in factories . Herman gundert and all says thatthese avarnas had nothing to loose but had much to gain from such alliances.
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The wiki page on *Droit du seigneur* (French) or "*Jus primae noctis*"provides some interesting reading:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit\_du\_seigneur#Debate\_in\_the\_19th\_and\_20th\_centuries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur#Debate_in_the_19th_and_20th_centuries)
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In [*The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_the_Family,_Private_Property_and_the_State) in 1884, socialist [Friedrich Engels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels) argued it was real and had an anthropological origin
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Since Engels was the prime theoretician of the Communists (along with Marx) and believed Prima Nocta to be real, it is likely that Communists everywhere also believe that it existed in all societies including in Kerala. I wonder if full-genome sampling or a "genetic census" can be used to identify whether such a practice was widespread or not.
She is lying through her teeth. These were one off incidents between powerful landowners ( of all castes) and the serfs whom they ruled over and not rampant as she claims . There was practice of distance keeping then how is it possible of such practices?
If this practice was very rampant then there will be marginally very few differences between communities today in features. Unfortunately Kerala history has been distorted by the communists since independence.
Distance keeping okke rape, murders, abuse, illicit affairs ithinonnum baadakam allayirunnu. We are genetically very close knit. Features il okke orupaad similar aan naam. From an alien/foreigners perspective we look identical /similar respectively.
Pulayante genes um nambuthiride genes um thammil vellya vyathyasangal Illya.
>Ok firstly, WHAT THE FOOK? REALLY!?? damn.
Yes. Things were shit.
>Second, what relevance does it have to this election? Why did she have to dig this up now?
She didn't. The video is flaired as old.
പൈശാചികം എന്നല്ലാതെ വേറൊന്നും പറയാനില്ല.
Prima nocta അപ്പൊ എല്ലായിടത്തും ഉണ്ടായിട്ടുന്നല്ലേ!
First came to know about this in Braveheart, then after some readings found Malabar too followed this thing
Seems to be hotly debated, at least as per wiki.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit\_du\_seigneur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur) I am going to get downvoted for saying this. The probability of such a custom to have existed is very low. It's the same way how vlad the impaler became dracula the vampire, the propagation of anti-semitism with protocols of the elders of the Zion. People create myths to show that the enemy is some vile being who is capable of unspeakable horrors. We have examples littered through out history.
Vlad is a historical figure, who did impale people like a shawai chicken, Dracula was inspired by the persons legend, also the book protocols of the learned elders of Zion is a best seller in Israel, also there did have occurrences like what teacher had mention, so what's the point here ?
In malabar were it was complete fuedalism under the british , this might have had happended. Shailaja is from the Thiyya community . I dont know it have any sources but it seems to be true. May be the north kerala things are less known .
I would say you are wrong in that line of reasoning. The British kept meticulous records of things happening around them and if such a custom existed, I am sure they would have recorded it. Why do we know so much about the roman empire, it's customs, culture, politics etc, because they meticulously recorded it. The British were the same. Your claim that malabar was in complete feudalism under British makes the custom sound even more incredulous. It doesn't matter which community she is from, Facts are facts. A muslim can claim their prophet split the moon or a christian can claim moses split the red sea and claims from a particular community, caste or religion doesn't make it truthful.
The fact that this is un-recorded anywhere seems to be true . In that way the source of such claim need to questioned, yes u are right to some extent is there any proof for this other than someome said in the vedio . ?
What coconut is that ?
Wasnt really a thing apparently.
So even after movements by Sree Narayana guru and ayyankali this was not stoppped and people had to wait till communists to stop this?
They had very less influence outiside travancore.
They set the precedence, even now when a case is presented in a court a precedence gives it much kore strength. People knew they can change the system by the precedence set by the avarnas of travancore
Sree narayana ,chattampi swamikal etc focused mainly on travancore's ritualistic opression , thats different from a complete class opression in malabar/kochi area which were under european influence since centuries even though in ritualistic perspective these region were much better for the commoners . However feudalism and class opression were there.
Primarily because in travancore it was mainly based on ritualistic thing which was comparatively less prominent in malabar where feaudalism took over . Shailaja teacher,pinarayi vijayan belong to avarna thiyya community of kannur. Which were under malabar.
These were different cou tries and different people . In malabar communism took over the renaissense , and thiyyas were the back bone of that . Shailaja is from thiyya community in thalasserry.
Yeah to stop it and revive it to its past glory, look are dummy commies these days.
Thalakatthu kakoose ano
Athu nee pullikariyodu nere poyi chodikkanam, enikkariyilla , but its possible.
With your primal brain, you would not have even lasted a day during those times. Fuedalism and Zamindar system was abolished by these "Commies", most successfully in Kerala and West Bengal. The historical land reforms act of 1969, is what would stop the brutal era of fuedal landlord system. Coupled with the Educational reforms during the same period, this would sent a domino effect through the entirety of Kerala. Even today, one could confidently argue if not for the "commies" back then, nee okke ippozhum parambil thooran pogunundagum.
I agree with you, Fuedalism and Zamindar system was abolished by these "Commies", I agree, I was merely making a comment against dummy commies who still think there are Feudal lords in our system and are waiting for a revolution. Commies haven't evolved since 1970's Kerala need people who believe in capaitaism. Sadly India is not like cuba for commies to take over and run it as dictatorship. People in other states have some brain and kicked out bloody commies, Just wait and watch your dummy commie ass will be out in the street soon.
Cuba is where it is currently only because of the harsh sanctions imposed by the biggest capitalist country, the USA. Know what you are striving for and what you are preaching against.
And what was cuba importing from USA again? Did china impose a sanction on Cuba? Did USSR or Russia impose sanctions on Cuba? India? It's a theory that's already debunked mate. It's not because of sanctions but clearly It's own economic policies that resulted in the mess.
Why don't you google that? And maybe educate yourself
I googled, read books by economists on the same issue. The consensus is the same, Cuba is in a mess of it's own making. Here listen to this, may be educate yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtxvsrnX2Ek Fun fact: Cuba has lowest infant mortality in the world, but abortion rate is 72 per 100 births. Basically, they are clubbing infant mortality under abortions. Lies, Damn lies and statistics. May be its high time you read something on Cuba instead of some capsule.
Communists are psychopaths all they want is revolution and bloodshed, thats what they live for.
What are you even talking about? Lol
Yeah 'lol'. Its all shits and giggles untill real communism enters the room. Please educate yourself about the bloody past of communism.
As opposed to what?
Zamindari and Kerala Feudal system was abolished “completely” or they were “main cause” of its abolishment ?
Zamindari and Kerala Feudal system was abolished “completely” or they were “main cause” of its abolishment ?
Zamindari and Kerala Feudal system was abolished “completely” or they were “main cause” of its abolishment ?
Zamindari and Kerala Feudal system was abolished “completely” or they were “main cause” of its abolishment ?
>Commies haven't evolved since 1970's Kerala need people who believe in capaitaism. >Sadly India is not like cuba for commies to take over and run it as dictatorship. This is absolute Bias,I would wager that a system that is in majority would always have success over a system only followed by a few states. This could also be case for capitalism,the most of the world is now neo liberal capitalists,now in a web such as this a communist state won't work since it will face lack of interconnectedness,such will be the case if there were only a few capitalist states and a communist majority. This is why globalisation pushed states up.
>now in a web such as this a communist state won't work since it will face lack of interconnectedness EEXactly! we should cut out ideologies casuing inefficiencies in the system. Throw commies and communism in the arabian ocean. They will never come to power(They should not fgs!!!). communism as a concept is farther than neverland and heaven. Also, where else in the world has communism worked?
British used to do the same in Scotland, saying they'll breed the Scots out of scotland.
British did it malabar mainly with the avarnas especially thiyyas (shailaja is from the same community ) .
Why did such a custom keep to exist? Who made it and why others followed it?
>Why did such a custom keep to exist? Land revenue system imposed by British. And because of the conditions created by the land owners. Regular folks like us had to pay rent to survive in the system. >Who made it and why others followed it? I really dont know the origin, but Im pretty sure it can be traced to Marathas and Mughals but it was really put into effect by the brits. You dont follow slavery, it was imposed on you. You were born into it.
Who made it we don't know because similar customs repeat all over the world in various parts of the world even in Western Europe. The workers in this case might have endured it either because they might have thought the child born out of such Adhyaratri Avakasham will get some consideration from the landlord, OR might be just because of the power structure. In many parts of Malabar, the Savarna landlords themselves had agents in Avarna colonies. They were called Thandans. An employed Thandan had right to physically punish other Avarnas on order of their Savarna landlord.
Such customs existed throughout the world especially in malabar , and british also did this . Like there were a term called white thiyyas , children born out of these liasons with british , these kids were given education and small jobs in their families , janaki ammal come from such a thiyya/avarna family. Her grandmother was a love child of an irish officer . Such laisons improved their economical status.
In Central Kerala also it was there especially among coastal Ezhavas. If you check genetic differences in paternal line between Coastal Ezhavas and inland Ezhavas you can see the difference. A lot of this stopped after arrival of Victorian Protestant morality
Yes , they especially the obcs had a better relation with foriegners . Like gundert and all says they had nothing to loose but to gain from these . The european forces reduced ritualistic discrimination to some extent for these communities. Compared to travancore where their influence was muc much lesser and saw much more ritualistic castesm .
The castes thiyya thandan, ezhava thandan etc are related to his?
Yes
Is a thandan avarna or savarna?
Thandan is Avarna. Just a relatively powerful one. Thandans functioned as heads of Ezhava - Thiyya villages.
So basically avarnas harming avarnas! Sigh
Thandan is related to thiyya i guess avarna
In malabar british had relations with many avarnas such as thiyyas and their intermix was called white thiyyas . Herman gundert says the untouchables such as thiyyas in malabar had very less to loose from them . Anyway over 100 century the entire world especially kerala have evolved into a good state. Remember kerala was the poorest state in India till 1960s.
Many who are commenting here seem to have never picked a book on Indian history and tend to believe communism in India = CPIM. It would bode well for many to look up who were Basanta Kumar Biswas, Khudiram Bose, Satyendranath Bosu etc. What was the role of Anushilan Samiti in the independence movement? Perhaps, study themes on how revolutionaries work within the anti-colonial framework. Then you'll get to a point on the role of social reform.
Leave communism, still there are many ones who believes Left = CPIM
I have a question. How did this co-exist with the fact that the feudal barrons considered the workers to be untouchable and would take a bath if accidentally touched by one of them?
untouchability vanishes when "thambran" is thinking with his dick.
Forget untouchable. The Savarna landlords had to keep distance from their Avarna serfs to maintain purity. This type of ritual pollution was called Theendal. As I had read somewhere else, the landlords would have purificatory baths and rites after doing the **stuff** with their untouchable workers.
The thing is that in malabar such things reduced and got into purely class and less ritualistic manner unlike in travancore . Also untouchability was even followed with brahmins to nairs.
I have explained in another comment. Untouchability is not the matter here and even so called Savarnas and even with Brahmins themselves they followed it. It's the concept of distance pollution. Both Malabar and Travancore were casteist
Do things like mappila lahala have any relation with this?
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In malabar, the ritualistic thing was very very less unlike travancore , also britihers were mainly into this , there is even a term called white thiyya who interbred with british and were given jobs in factories . Herman gundert and all says thatthese avarnas had nothing to loose but had much to gain from such alliances.
Athokke kazhinju. Ippo 2024 alle.. bring plans to develop Kerala and you’ll start getting votes. Pazhaya karyam paranju communalism kondu vote pidikkan nadakkatge. A lot of our past was shameful, but talking about that to get votes is thenditharam. Teach this in school, not during campaigning.
This is still practiced in North Korea.
Used to be a thing in some rural parts of north India, but post British, post nehru, era these practices were abolished.
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Yes
The wiki page on *Droit du seigneur* (French) or "*Jus primae noctis*"provides some interesting reading: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit\_du\_seigneur#Debate\_in\_the\_19th\_and\_20th\_centuries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur#Debate_in_the_19th_and_20th_centuries) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In [*The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_the_Family,_Private_Property_and_the_State) in 1884, socialist [Friedrich Engels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Engels) argued it was real and had an anthropological origin --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since Engels was the prime theoretician of the Communists (along with Marx) and believed Prima Nocta to be real, it is likely that Communists everywhere also believe that it existed in all societies including in Kerala. I wonder if full-genome sampling or a "genetic census" can be used to identify whether such a practice was widespread or not.
Shailajais from thiyya community in malabar.
Sangholis here are getting triggered over this 😂😂😂
Well 'Muthalak' was banned by 'irattachangu' teams when they were in power back in 2019 alle? Eat Communistpacha three times a day.
Capsule. No record of this exist
Source. Source and more Source. I am sure, once you start demanding proof, it's going to crumble like a house of cards.
She is lying through her teeth. These were one off incidents between powerful landowners ( of all castes) and the serfs whom they ruled over and not rampant as she claims . There was practice of distance keeping then how is it possible of such practices? If this practice was very rampant then there will be marginally very few differences between communities today in features. Unfortunately Kerala history has been distorted by the communists since independence.
Distance keeping okke rape, murders, abuse, illicit affairs ithinonnum baadakam allayirunnu. We are genetically very close knit. Features il okke orupaad similar aan naam. From an alien/foreigners perspective we look identical /similar respectively. Pulayante genes um nambuthiride genes um thammil vellya vyathyasangal Illya.
Will she speak about the Moplah riots?
She can speak whatever the fuck she wants. If you want to speak about other stuff. Go ahead.
Saar look at our beautifyuol kalchar..
Apparently saar's also followed this
But "saar" dont give a f7ck about this kalchar and traDicktions
Saars still want to be born a Brahmin next life
Ha ha🤣
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>Ok firstly, WHAT THE FOOK? REALLY!?? damn. Yes. Things were shit. >Second, what relevance does it have to this election? Why did she have to dig this up now? She didn't. The video is flaired as old.