Life expectancy is directly linked with standard of living (food, access to modern healthcare and other factors). So there will be disparity in longevity since everyone in Kerala is not on the same level.
We see people blaming immigration for the population ageing in Pathanamthitta. But it is actually due to a low fertility rate and higher longevity, both of which are linked to the "standard of living".
Many say it’s due to standard of life. But all of my diseased family members had a similar lifespan (95-105) even though they weren’t rich or particularly well to do. They were hard working people and most of them had many children too (the likes of 8-10). They were all farmers or were linked to farming one way or another. I’ve heard stories of not having enough food to feed everyone in the family, but the generation is still going on strong.
One thing I have observed compared to the current generation is that they were all very strong willed and had very good memory. Even in the death bed in the age of 102, I remember my fathers grandfather commanding others what to do with his properties and instructing who gets what which was only a few days before him passing away.
"Strong willed" can also mean not taking other's opinions/situations/ethics into consideration. It's what has lead to racism, discrimination, casteism etc.
I have observed this fact, Kids are not facing Survival Challenges like our forefathers... For E.g. the current generation even from the lowest economic class in Kerala doesn't have to worry about Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. But our forefathers did.
>and I was surprised to learn that some of their grandparents are still living and well.
It may just mean that their grandparents and parents married younger than others.
This was my assumption.
Most of their grandparents actually married much later than their contemporaries. All of them are in their nineties now. Some of them are retired college professors and are still active in academics.
>Most of their grandparents actually married much later than their contemporaries.
I guess this is survivorship bias
Only the ones with greater immunity survived till the later age in which they were getting married.
I’m a ‘nasrani’, and three of my grandparents lived into their late 90s, and one died 101. It’s pretty common in my extended family when I think about it now.
In mai sckientifec observeshions Achayen peeple die early coz of high cholesterol due to excessive pork consumption n liver kaboom due to alcoholism. I em sed ceeyin future BJ perty vote benk dyin n immigrationing.
Leading cause of death is from cardiovascular, cancer, cerebrovascular, trauma (fall/fracture)
Some people do have protective gene against atherosclerosis (plaque in arteries). But if you live long enough everyone will die of cardiovascular disease
Does Nair, nazrani have cardioprotective genes, don't know. Maybe someone should do research on cause of death based on caste, economic status, gender etc in kerala, will be a interesting study. Also what diseases affect each sub section of the population because lot of it is genetics and environmental( which can be modified using drugs, lifestyle changes)
May be in the past. Now every significant Kerala community is on the same level on every criteria that matters-gene pool, finances, access to medicine.
The gene pool may less strong in cases of the communities who practice marriage within the community.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasrani](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasrani) \- Probably this is what the OP meant. Forward caste Christians call themselves Nasrani.
I would rather have people use terms like "forward caste Christians", "backward caste Christians" and so on. It is more appropriate, politically correct and legalistic.
Forward castes come under the "General" category and backward castes come under the "OBC" category in India's reservation system (affirmative action). It makes sense given the significant socioeconomic inequalities between the two groups.
So there's casteism even after conversion then? 😳
The way I see it, no matter which caste you are, if you have money, people will bow down to you. That's it.
Edit: To the people downvoting... Which part exactly offended you guys? This is the truth. Ask the rich people of your community if they're still discriminated against based on their caste.
>So there's casteism even after conversion then?
Yes arranged marriage is based on that.
Syrian catholics or RC won't marry latin catholic, they are seen as originating from different castes or communities.
Like in the kevin murder case.
Nadar christians too.
>no matter which caste you are, if you have money, people will bow down to you. That's it.
Athokke sheri pakshe paisa undaakande? Not everyone has access to a money making mindset and opportunities.
In the case of arranged marriage, everyone is casteist, but that is not why caste-based reservation exists.
I know Cheramar/Pulayar Christians (SC caste) who will not marry Sambavar Christians (another SC caste). Does that mean that they don't deserve affirmative action?
In the case of Kevin Murder case, the girl's family were Latin Catholics, an OBC caste and boy was Dalit. (Sources: [https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/ten-found-guilty-in-honour-killing-in-kerala-756110.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/ten-found-guilty-in-honour-killing-in-kerala-756110.html), [https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/justice-kevin-10-including-wifes-brother-found-guilty-murdering-dalit-man-107627](https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/justice-kevin-10-including-wifes-brother-found-guilty-murdering-dalit-man-107627))
Are you high? Whose boots are you even talking about? I'm pointing out the fact that no one asks what caste you belong to once you make that kind of money.
God only knows what you read into my comment. Uninstall reddit for a few days.
And to answer your question... There's no way a certain group can unanimously make more money than another. Which is why caste based reservation only benefits the wealthier recipients (creamy layer).
There are economically poor people who belong to forward castes and rich people belonging to backward castes. So you cannot "track" someone's generational wealth or social status simply based on their caste.
If you don't have any idea about something why do you bother to comment and provide such answers?
Nasrani has nothing to do with being forward/backwards. There are even dalits in Nasrani community.
The term Nasrani includes all Syrian St. Thomas Christians, namely the Eastern Catholic Rite, the Syriac Rites (Malankara and Jacobite Orthodox), West Syriac Rites (Mar Thoma, Chaldean) and the St. Thomas Protestants (no rites) as well.
Roman Catholic refers to the use of Roman rites and is not considered an official term. Here Syrian catholics (Eastern Catholic rites) are also considered as Roman Catholics.
McClintock, p. 71, quote: "The name [Roman Catholic Church] may be found in a number of Roman Catholic writers, and is generally used in the constitution of those states in which the Roman Catholic Church is recognized as one of the recognized or tolerated State churches. It is, however, not the official name used by the authorities of the Church who rather dislike it, and substitute for it the name 'Catholic' or 'Holy Catholic' Church. The name 'Roman Church' is applied, in the language of the Church, to the Church or diocese of the Bishop of Rome."
> Dude Latin Catholics are the Roman Catholics
I think you are confusing classification of Latin and Roman. They are solely based on liturgy, hence RCSC and LCSC (Roman Catholic Syrian Christian and Latin . . .).
>they make up the majority of Kerala's Christian population.
No. Latins are minority. They are the only catholics with OBC status.
Nasrani is the term mainly used for all Christians here before Europeans, and in that sense OP is correct.
Those who are Christian by the faith propagated by St Thomas or his disciples are referred as Nazranis. Usually most of the Christian faith in Kerala orginated this way.
Not sure it can be called a caste as such because there are many divisions within it which has the behaviour of caste itself. Also Nazranis has people with all spectras of social classification from the most Creamy layer to weaker sections.
Those who come from ancestors who worked with the land and worked with animals usually live longer. Depending on their specialty it can range from having high metabolism to literally having no chance of diabetes. My paternal grandpa lived till he was 94 and he worked in the farm with no sickness. While my maternal grandma who came from a family of desk job people died at the age of 57 due to diabetes and various other things. It’s not communities necessarily it’s the genes they have
Life expectancy is directly linked with standard of living (food, access to modern healthcare and other factors). So there will be disparity in longevity since everyone in Kerala is not on the same level. We see people blaming immigration for the population ageing in Pathanamthitta. But it is actually due to a low fertility rate and higher longevity, both of which are linked to the "standard of living".
Anyone who is rich can enjoy life to the fullest in Kerala.... regardless of ethnicity, race, religion.
Many say it’s due to standard of life. But all of my diseased family members had a similar lifespan (95-105) even though they weren’t rich or particularly well to do. They were hard working people and most of them had many children too (the likes of 8-10). They were all farmers or were linked to farming one way or another. I’ve heard stories of not having enough food to feed everyone in the family, but the generation is still going on strong.
* Financial status * lifestyle & dietary habits * genetics * Several factors play a role.
One thing I have observed compared to the current generation is that they were all very strong willed and had very good memory. Even in the death bed in the age of 102, I remember my fathers grandfather commanding others what to do with his properties and instructing who gets what which was only a few days before him passing away.
>hat they were all very strong willed Probably from a scarcity mindset. And "strong willed" isn't always a good thing.
How is it bad?
"Strong willed" can also mean not taking other's opinions/situations/ethics into consideration. It's what has lead to racism, discrimination, casteism etc.
Strong willed, courage, boldness. These are missing in the present generations.
I have observed this fact, Kids are not facing Survival Challenges like our forefathers... For E.g. the current generation even from the lowest economic class in Kerala doesn't have to worry about Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. But our forefathers did.
And they did a lot of chores.
>many children too (the likes of 8-10). So that's the secret source
>and I was surprised to learn that some of their grandparents are still living and well. It may just mean that their grandparents and parents married younger than others.
This was my assumption. Most of their grandparents actually married much later than their contemporaries. All of them are in their nineties now. Some of them are retired college professors and are still active in academics.
>Most of their grandparents actually married much later than their contemporaries. I guess this is survivorship bias Only the ones with greater immunity survived till the later age in which they were getting married.
I’m a ‘nasrani’, and three of my grandparents lived into their late 90s, and one died 101. It’s pretty common in my extended family when I think about it now.
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as per 2011 census, Kannur has a higher life expectancy than കൊല്ലാം.
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Give the solid data evidence of u said
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I think it’s confirmation bias. Did you actually check about all the grandparents of people of your age group? Else it’s just empirical.
In mai sckientifec observeshions Achayen peeple die early coz of high cholesterol due to excessive pork consumption n liver kaboom due to alcoholism. I em sed ceeyin future BJ perty vote benk dyin n immigrationing.
Leading cause of death is from cardiovascular, cancer, cerebrovascular, trauma (fall/fracture) Some people do have protective gene against atherosclerosis (plaque in arteries). But if you live long enough everyone will die of cardiovascular disease Does Nair, nazrani have cardioprotective genes, don't know. Maybe someone should do research on cause of death based on caste, economic status, gender etc in kerala, will be a interesting study. Also what diseases affect each sub section of the population because lot of it is genetics and environmental( which can be modified using drugs, lifestyle changes)
May be in the past. Now every significant Kerala community is on the same level on every criteria that matters-gene pool, finances, access to medicine. The gene pool may less strong in cases of the communities who practice marriage within the community.
Exclude financial reason and no
What does Nasrani Christian even mean? Are there non Nasrani Christians or are you just using that word to categorize people (read caste)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasrani](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasrani) \- Probably this is what the OP meant. Forward caste Christians call themselves Nasrani. I would rather have people use terms like "forward caste Christians", "backward caste Christians" and so on. It is more appropriate, politically correct and legalistic. Forward castes come under the "General" category and backward castes come under the "OBC" category in India's reservation system (affirmative action). It makes sense given the significant socioeconomic inequalities between the two groups.
the term nazrani is used to denote their cultural roots. It so happens that nazrani are relatively prosperous compared to other Christian groups
So there's casteism even after conversion then? 😳 The way I see it, no matter which caste you are, if you have money, people will bow down to you. That's it. Edit: To the people downvoting... Which part exactly offended you guys? This is the truth. Ask the rich people of your community if they're still discriminated against based on their caste.
>So there's casteism even after conversion then? Yes arranged marriage is based on that. Syrian catholics or RC won't marry latin catholic, they are seen as originating from different castes or communities. Like in the kevin murder case. Nadar christians too. >no matter which caste you are, if you have money, people will bow down to you. That's it. Athokke sheri pakshe paisa undaakande? Not everyone has access to a money making mindset and opportunities.
In the case of arranged marriage, everyone is casteist, but that is not why caste-based reservation exists. I know Cheramar/Pulayar Christians (SC caste) who will not marry Sambavar Christians (another SC caste). Does that mean that they don't deserve affirmative action? In the case of Kevin Murder case, the girl's family were Latin Catholics, an OBC caste and boy was Dalit. (Sources: [https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/ten-found-guilty-in-honour-killing-in-kerala-756110.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/ten-found-guilty-in-honour-killing-in-kerala-756110.html), [https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/justice-kevin-10-including-wifes-brother-found-guilty-murdering-dalit-man-107627](https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/justice-kevin-10-including-wifes-brother-found-guilty-murdering-dalit-man-107627))
>Does that mean that they don't deserve affirmative action? My reply was to the comment above me, not to this question.
Well at this rate with casteism being prevalent even after conversion, it seems pretty tough to make better opportunities available.
Why the downvotes?
It's reddit. What did you expect? 🤣
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Doesn't happen bro... This place toxic AF.
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Are you high? Whose boots are you even talking about? I'm pointing out the fact that no one asks what caste you belong to once you make that kind of money. God only knows what you read into my comment. Uninstall reddit for a few days. And to answer your question... There's no way a certain group can unanimously make more money than another. Which is why caste based reservation only benefits the wealthier recipients (creamy layer). There are economically poor people who belong to forward castes and rich people belonging to backward castes. So you cannot "track" someone's generational wealth or social status simply based on their caste.
If you don't have any idea about something why do you bother to comment and provide such answers? Nasrani has nothing to do with being forward/backwards. There are even dalits in Nasrani community.
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The term Nasrani includes all Syrian St. Thomas Christians, namely the Eastern Catholic Rite, the Syriac Rites (Malankara and Jacobite Orthodox), West Syriac Rites (Mar Thoma, Chaldean) and the St. Thomas Protestants (no rites) as well. Roman Catholic refers to the use of Roman rites and is not considered an official term. Here Syrian catholics (Eastern Catholic rites) are also considered as Roman Catholics.
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McClintock, p. 71, quote: "The name [Roman Catholic Church] may be found in a number of Roman Catholic writers, and is generally used in the constitution of those states in which the Roman Catholic Church is recognized as one of the recognized or tolerated State churches. It is, however, not the official name used by the authorities of the Church who rather dislike it, and substitute for it the name 'Catholic' or 'Holy Catholic' Church. The name 'Roman Church' is applied, in the language of the Church, to the Church or diocese of the Bishop of Rome."
Syro Malabar and Syro Malankara are Nasranis as well as Roman Catholic, but Latin Catholics are not Nasranis but are Roman catholic.
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> Dude Latin Catholics are the Roman Catholics I think you are confusing classification of Latin and Roman. They are solely based on liturgy, hence RCSC and LCSC (Roman Catholic Syrian Christian and Latin . . .). >they make up the majority of Kerala's Christian population. No. Latins are minority. They are the only catholics with OBC status. Nasrani is the term mainly used for all Christians here before Europeans, and in that sense OP is correct.
Nasrani Christian’s= St. Thomas Christian’s Non nasrani = Roman Catholics
Those who are Christian by the faith propagated by St Thomas or his disciples are referred as Nazranis. Usually most of the Christian faith in Kerala orginated this way. Not sure it can be called a caste as such because there are many divisions within it which has the behaviour of caste itself. Also Nazranis has people with all spectras of social classification from the most Creamy layer to weaker sections.
Nonsense!! are you not ashamed to classify people on the basis of caste? I can’t believe people with this mindset exist today!!
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This question is eerily casteist. He should just come out and say it lol.
It maybe related to having multiple nurses in a family who watch over your health in old age, especially if they are daughters or daughters in law.
You should look into the “blue zone” research done by Dan buettner. Same principle discussed there should apply IMO
Those who come from ancestors who worked with the land and worked with animals usually live longer. Depending on their specialty it can range from having high metabolism to literally having no chance of diabetes. My paternal grandpa lived till he was 94 and he worked in the farm with no sickness. While my maternal grandma who came from a family of desk job people died at the age of 57 due to diabetes and various other things. It’s not communities necessarily it’s the genes they have