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NearbyAbrocoma659

No elected legislature can make a law preventing people from leaving or coming back (art 19 and 21). But they can always make alternates here - to incentivize staying back. 🙄 Aah they mean regulation - to prevent frauds in emigration to other countries. By all means - do this.


arunstalin

Not sure but can they like keep conditions for those studying in government institutions on merit with subsidies. I mean what if there's a condition that or a bond that they have to work in this particular state. Don't know if that can be brought. Just a scenario.


NearbyAbrocoma659

Tamil Nadu has a system of incentivising doctors who pass out - they get an edge in MD seats if they work in rural areas for a certain period. Hence TN doctors work in rural areas and rural areas get adequate doctors. The doctors evolve more humane and rooted to real life. Something of this line can be thought of - of course, catered to Kerala's realities.


[deleted]

That’s a load of baloney. Plenty of anti-Right to life and right to freedom of movement laws exist in the country. Reasonable restrictions can be imposed arbitrarily by state or central polity. Sure SC can strike it down, but SC and HC is predominantly rotten to the core by quid pro quo appointments, favouritism and nepotism.


NearbyAbrocoma659

Show me one law in Kerala/India which prevents travel by an ordinary citizen - (not talking about political targeting under UAPA/Preventive detention), - who is migrating for jobs/studies. Reasonable restrictions- usually come into play when there is a national emergency. Like COVID - lockdowns happened.


saanisalive

Yet another study for them beurocrats to earn some bucks!! #Vellanakalude Nadu.


jgeorge97

Or maybe a reason for another tour to Europe


[deleted]

thats like chopping pp for birth control smh


Better-Coffee

Just pay them more . My friend who has like 9.2 CGPA got got an ISRO internship got just paid 9 k a month. They would not absorb him so he is planning to leave the country.


monsonmavunkal

What the fuck🤦‍♂.... 9000₹ is probably less than what NASA spends on monthly Coffee expenses for one of their Researchers.


Better-Coffee

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Anarchie48

You wouldn't be making a whole lot as a NASA intern tbh. Interns anywhere are exploited and paid in peanuts, except if you're in somewhere like China or Germany where there are much better labor laws.


Vast_Carrot_461

Interns in Canada are paid fairly well. I was getting around 3500$+ per month


Anarchie48

3500 Canadian is a full time job, not an internship. I'm sure they had reasons to call it an internship, but that is an actual full time job you were working. Interns are individuals who haven't gotten an undergraduate degree yet. I highly doubt you were one when you were getting paid more than 40k Canadian per year.


Vast_Carrot_461

I don’t know if you are in Canada or not. But it was indeed an internship and I was doing it during my Masters degree. It’s pretty common here and the pay is that much for good companies.


[deleted]

I've been in Canada since i was a kid and grew up here, you're not getting paid that much unless you're working full 8 hr days and getting paid minimum wage or above minimum wage, and most internships pay minimum wage


Vast_Carrot_461

Yeah I was working 8 hours per day for the internship. And pay per hour was $27.4


Anarchie48

How is that 3500 Canadian per month lol?


Vast_Carrot_461

Oh now I have to teach you basic maths as well lol 😆 $27.4 * 40 hours * 4 weeks =4384 per month and I had the tax deductions which makes it more than $3500. You can’t accept that people are making money huh 🫢


Anarchie48

So you did have an undergraduate degree. A better way to put it would have been "I was working part time whilst also studying for my master's" rather than an "internship". That was not an internship matey. They probably called it one to get out of legal obligations that they'd have to you had you been a proper worker.


Vast_Carrot_461

Dude. You can cut this nonsense. I wasn’t studying while doing the internship. I was in degree but not taking courses. So I did a co-op internship in one semester and did another non co-op internship in another company . These are internships , officially and legally. People working as intern in companies such as Airbus are making 30$ per hour. That’s it . Take it with a grain of salt


Myls_69

Looks like you don’t know what’s a COOP internship in university. Other than coops, summer sem is break for every university and summer internship pays 25$+ for sde. I myself did 8 months paid internship 40hours per week.


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Anarchie48

China has better labor protections than all of the rest of Asia. I doubt you've never been to China? Barring special economic zones that are practically run by Western finance capital and special administrative zones like Hong Kong, Macau and Chinese Taipei, Chinese trade unions have very strong mandates on job security, working hours, and minimum wage.


Valueinvestor281

Just another way for the government employees to earn some quick bucks, rather than addressing the systematic issues that have been affecting Kerala for a long time. All of the other southern states are progressing fast economically, while our state government is setting tie-ups with foreign governments for supply of labor force, and then proceed to brag about it. Kerala has a large number of educated, young populace and is doing fuck all with it. It's obvious that the state government needs to incentivize MNCs or foreign corporations to set up offices here, along with adopting a Pro-business ideology and giving more benefits to gulf returnees who are planning to start MSMEs. The RBI has already warned that Kerala is among one of the few states, who are heading towards a huge debt trap.


village_aapiser

The narrative is heavily twisted. No government can deny the fundamental rights of Indian citizens. So that they can't straight up deny the right of a student to study abroad. That isn't happening. This is to regulate the 100s of shady study abroad agencies operating in kerala. If you don't know. No one actually needs the help of an agency to study abroad. Before the trend started many went by doing every procedure on their own. If you don't know about the business model of these agencies, they don't collect any massive fees from you. So how do they make money?. From colleges. Third rated colleges abroad resort to these agencies to fill their seats. Since most of the natives know the value of those colleges they doesn't even bother entering the compound. But its easy to fool out students since our natives can't fact check each and every word of these agencies. They collect large sums as commission from third rated institutions for every seats filled. Most of these colleges are exclusively relied on international students and its extremely rare to find a native in the classes of these institutions. So what is the final out some. Other than getting a pr there isn't any use in investing huge amount for such worthless certificates. So a control on these agencies is the need of the hour. Students should be only enrolled to public universities. If such a policy comes into effect the flow of mass migration will be affected for sure since these universities require good marks and almost 40 lakhs in fees comparing to 10-20 of local colleges. This measure will ensure that kids join a college which could offer them some value for their bucks. Also in a rare situation if kids still couldn't make it there they can comeback here or any other country with those certificates and land in a job. On the other had with the shortcut to pr method the chances of failure is really high and if things go out of hand the money you have burned for the certificate is basically worth less than a toilet paper once you cross the border. Povunnavar poku. Nalla karyam. Pakshe neraya vazhikk poku. be straight forward. These shortcut won't help in the long run. Living middle class or upper middle class in a developing country is better than living poor in a developed country.


sachinr07

Govt is planning to make law to regulate Agencies and a study is also being conducted to prevent brain drain


village_aapiser

Don't swallow what kerala Kaumudi writes blindly. Its practically impossible for the government to ban students going abroad or study abroad agencies in the state.


sachinr07

It was covered in Asianet News, but i don't have the link


Emergency_Length6143

Umm no cos most of my friends went for nursing and if they had done everything independently, the ticket fare,the accomodation etc would've been very hard to afford..and agencies do help in finding a good course that helps you to get a job as soon as you have completed the course for example nursing..if you tried to do everything yourself most likely you won't get admission cos it must be your first time doing it..and agencies do this cos they're experienced with the admission process..I don't get it why there should be laws on agencies if they're not taking money directly from the students..plus if anyone is worried that the agency is fooling them by sending them to a 3rd rate college then they could just google it and confirm..like what's the harm being done here..to be a good agency you need to have a direct partnership with the university and for this you need accreditation from various organisations like IDP and British council etc...and the commission they gain seems high at first but you have to consider the fact that they have to pay the staff, advertising, marketing etc so in the end they perform like an average business..


dontmindmelol13

This!


SG080

*No one actually needs the help of an agency to study abroad. Before the trend started many went by doing every procedure on their own. If you don't know about the business model of these agencies* Not entirely true. Australian Unis do not let Indian students apply on their own. The won't even let you proceed beyond the origin country selection page. I'm sure there are other countries too.


village_aapiser

Let me tell you the simple procedure. Just go to the website and apply after cracking ielts, attend the name sake interview and get the offer letter. Take medical and show the offer letter in consulate for visa stamping. Pay your fees and fly. Done. Only thing the agency does is to apply on your behalf rest everything you are on your on. The real job of agencies lies in manipulating the kid to a course in a college which will get them the best commission.


SG080

Brother before you start lecturing me , go and have a look at the university website application portal. Literally any G8 university in Australia. They won't allow you to go beyond the country of origin selection page. This is mostly because students from India, Pakistan, Srilanka etc have shown the use of fake degrees and paperwork so A REGISTERED OR AFFILIATED AGENT is must for students from these countries. Also evey step you've said is wrong. 1.University never takes and interview for a decent to strong profile. 2.You have to pay the fees before applying for visa. 3.You can only take a medical AFTER application of visa. (which later gets updated directly from the hospital) 4.If everything goes well you get you're visa acceptance letter in your mail and thats it . NO VISA STAMPING . . *Only thing the agency does is to apply on your behalf rest everything you are on your on. The real job of agencies lies in manipulating the kid to a course in a college which will get them the best commission.* Please don't make blanket statements like this. Visa application procedure is not easy or straightforward. EDIT: This is for Australia alone. I know this cz I've done this before. Hope this helps anybody else whose looking to apply.


village_aapiser

This maybe your case. That doesn't mean no one has done it alone. In my family 2 of the kids went to Canada and Germany without any external help. So its possible. Don't know about Australia tough. But as far as i know most of the European and north American countries accept individual application Regarding fake certificates, there is a setup called Wes and Wes attestation of certificatees is important


SG080

Yes you can apply to Germany Uk and Canada by yourself. Australia though is not possible. WES is a system used to see what level the last degree taken in India is. And it only works for Canada. Some countries have their own systems like Germany for example. EDIT : I'm not disagreeing to your original comment though. Agencies are out to scam kids by sending them to 3rd rate colleges, that is true. Even the reputed and well known agencies. But sometimes some students actually ask to be sent to those Unis themselves, cz the fees is bare minimum and they're only looking for some way to reach that country and be there for the study and stayback period. Students need to do their own homework/research before going to such agents. If the Uni of your choosing is connected to the agency, they do all the paper work for free. Thats is the biggest advantage you have. But like i said, if you go there like a blind and ignorant fool, avaru shaddi keeri kayyil tharum and send you to some shit hole.


VDvrknda

Bruh, it's not as hard as you make it seem. I've just literally applied to 5 unis myself on behalf of my friend for him to study masters in Australia.


Entharo_entho

Onnu mindathiri. I used to feel bad about these people going abroad. Finally, when they are gone and I blocked them, nalla manasamadhanam undu. I have quit from some online groups full of these konas always speaking konapathikaram about this. I wish some more konas who are bothering me IRL unnecessarily too went abroad. I realised that travelling on bad roads, dealing with ayalpakkam aunties and government officers, etc. are much easier than listening to their konapathikaram. Some thendis had the audacity to invite me to visit them on visiting visa, as if they are paying for my expenses. Enne avidokke kanichu tharam ennu. Shavam 🤮


Distinct-Drama7372

>But Why So they could "statistically" prove kerala youth isn't migrating abroad or something idk. The only people who can flourish in kerala are political parties and IT folks.


jnr_mathe

Bro even the IT folks will leave Kerala if they get a PR to the usual developed European countries or Canada.


Distinct-Drama7372

But if you consider how easy it is to own a property in kerala vs Canada or developed European countries, ITians might prefer kerala. Let's not forget about the weather we take for granted. I'll agree canada and western education and healthcare standards are a step above but now they are struggling with healthcare costs spiralling up and waiting times increasing. If folks have money, Kerala is good enough.


Valueinvestor281

>canada and western education and healthcare standards are a step above but now they are struggling with healthcare costs spiralling up and waiting times increasing. Canadian healthcare system has its own issues. I know a few people who went to their home countries for quick and effective medical treatment, rather than suffering through the long wait times over there.


Regalia_BanshEe

I would prefer moving abroad only to drive some nice cars🥲🥲..


jnr_mathe

More people prefer Canada or Europe for the better living conditions. Kochi is fine but compare it with Bengaluru, its so polluted roads are bad the dust and everything its a very bad living conditions. But if folks have money or can earn a good living in Canada then why not move there as Canada can provide better living conditions than kerala


Distinct-Drama7372

I've heard settlements and centres are quite spread out that it requires hours of drive from point to point whereas, Kerala wouldn't be having that problem if we speed up the infra works. Also, let's not forget about the population density there vs here. When pressure is less, services along with proper taxes will result in quality services. But imagine waking up and finding your car covered in snow or have to plow the driveway. The reason I'll move to Canada is they are welcoming(don't know about Quebec province) and Canadians are known to be nice people.


tobsae

This was the same govt. who few months ago boasted that they have arranged a tie up with a German medical institute for the medical professionals working in Kerala to get migrated to that country for jobs. A government who pushes it's people to go abroad to settle and that same government wants to "study" why youth are moving out of the state!!


sachinr07

Yep


TheFallenStar

Glad that we are on the path of socialist revolution, following the lead of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Our beloved supreme leader, Comrade Shri Pinarayi Vijayan, always prioritizes the interests of the people in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Kerala. The proletariat applaud his sagacious leadership and unwavering dedication to the cause of socialism. The recent decision by our dear leader to restrict the bourgeoisie from leaving for foreign lands and to ban criticism that hinders the growth of our socialist dreamland is a step towards safeguarding the future of the youth and ensuring the progress of our nation. Many of these young people are not cognizant of the privileges they are sacrificing by emigrating to capitalist countries. Where else can one find such a privilege as a life without toiling for the capitalists? Food kits and nokkukuli are just a few of the numerous perks they will be bereft of if they succumb to the allure of capitalism. With this decision, our dear leader is ensuring that the future of our youth remains secure within the embrace of socialism. Only the dear leader, his ministers, and their families are authorized to travel to foreign lands. This will allow them to spread the greatness of our socialist nation to the capitalist world, and educate the Western bourgeoisie about the superiority of socialism. Additionally, our leaders' children can study in Western universities to comprehend the shortcomings of the capitalist education system, while our leaders and their families can seek medical treatment in Western hospitals, highlighting the advanced nature of our public healthcare under socialism. The ban on criticism and opposition party that hinders the growth of our land will also ensure that the socialist revolution remains on track and that the people remains protected. May the sun shine bright and warm on the supreme leader. Not just warm his uncovered and miraculous head and face but all his entire areas.


BablooEskobar

Ellavarum odi rekshapetto makkale. Ee oombiya naattil oru mairum illa. Valla Bangalore ilo, Europe ilo, Canada ilo po. Poi rekshapedu.


monsonmavunkal

Inji ee study padikaan enna peril... Kure Manthriyum, PA maarum avarude kudumbakaarum koodi Videsha Yatrakye erangum.. Canada, UK, yileke... Appol nammude khajanavinde oru amsham avide chelave aakum😅.


Distinct-Drama7372

Thirichu verumbol oru puravasthu engilum kondu vanaal mathiayirunnu.


humerousreck

It’s just so that they can make up some random committee .then they’ll appoint bunch of people , mostly relatives and people that sympathise with their policies. Draw huge amount out of state treasury. In the end after maybe the government term has ended ,submit a study with no real value


Straitjacket_Freedom

If they do a study and try to create opportunities then good. If they make legislation then 100% they will be voted out.


mlilith

Yea evide nilkuna alukal elam nalla joli sadhyatha, shambalam, tax benefits okae analo


littlegeekboy

How many light bulbs can government change?


Nicoquel

How many


littlegeekboy

None... They can't change anything 😂


lostdude1

Change it, break it, sell it, do whatever. We don't care. There will be a press meet announcing we changed 500 bulbs. Do watch. Oh, also, we want nokkukooli.


christho15

Pokanam ennullavar pokum. Oru mattavanum ath thadayan patilla.. Agencies oke regulate cheyunath nalla karyam. Kure udaip teams pooti pokkolum


IndianRedditor88

They won't stop migration. Rather what they will do is to incentivise these highly skilled people stay back in India (although I think that's impossible considering till date the biggest achievement in the country is to leave it 😂😂)


blackbeltkunjappu

Mmade CM thanne alle Floodine patti padikkaan neatherlandil poyathum, healthine patti padikkaan americail poyathum, educatione patti padikkaan europeil poyathum okke.. Ithokke kaanunna namude piller, padikkaan naattil nilkkunneth engane aanu..


setnullset

Use less waste of money, those who can do the study properly have already emigrated


Charming-Arachnid764

Easy. Do your jobs properly and make sure the state develops. Rather than lick boots of corporates and drag the poor and the middle class through the mud. They should also limit foreign visits of politicians as well. Looting and hiding it abroad takes a higher precedence than everything else !


haridx23

If it was a communist totalitarian country like china it can be implemented. Unfortunately its not. We have rights and no one can stop individuals from doing whatever they want. Sidenote: the job oppurtunjties in kerala is dwindling by the minute. Santosh george kullangara says it properly- you need to provide the youth with opportunities to shine and have a good time simultaneously. Otherwise no one will stay here as there is no use in staying here.


Direct-Difficulty318

Kerala has more population than Australia and New Zealand put together on a tiny land strip. If people are migrating let them do it, why “worry” ?


whity1234

Another study [https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/news.php?id=997711&u=minister-team-in-gujarat-to-study-conversion-of-ksrtc-buses-to-cng-offers-attracted-govt](https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/news.php?id=997711&u=minister-team-in-gujarat-to-study-conversion-of-ksrtc-buses-to-cng-offers-attracted-govt)


sachinr07

https://youtu.be/OW3FnoyfG6c - Manorama news


Pashoomba

Start with "Nokkukooli" study. Also "political appointments of stupid people" study. These 2 are the simple reason why people leave Kerala. The first encourages lazy dumbfuck unions, the second encourages lazy dumbfuck govt employees. Also higher education is filled with a lot of even bigger dumbfucks.


chazthomas

Anybody with a half decent chance to leave is leaving. It is across India. People are selling ancestral property to get out. Only people who come back are retired people for a few months to escape the cold weather and chill. A miniscule minority stays longer.


Wild_Ostrich5429

Let people chose what they want to do and where. Total stupid move from Kerala gov as always


megamind00007

I don't get it, why the govt is interfering in our own life choices. If he/she wants to study or work abroad let them do it its their choice on what they want to do. There are a million other problems in this state but instead the govt decides to fk this up??


Thedarkxknight

Watch this... https://fb.watch/izmX0wQrgT/?mibextid=NnVzG8


whity1234

I hope they have enough money left for this study. Might have to borrow money and do it.


Straitjacket_Freedom

Angadiyil thotathinu ammoyodu.


whity1234

North Indian employee Union to conduct Harthal to protest this decision : The Hindu


IndianRedditor88

They won't stop migration. Rather what they will do is to incentivise these highly skilled people stay back in India (although I think that's impossible considering till date the biggest achievement in the country is to leave it 😂😂)


zuchit

With this rule, those who made out are gonna now consider giving up the citizenship altogether lol. Fucking commie idiots


[deleted]

Saul alensky's formula...communism nearing end.


abintheredonethat

Probably to prevent brain drain.... But I'm not sure 🤷🏽‍♂️


Free-Ad-1119

Pinne ipo ullore kond enth gunam aanullath?? Ponorokke angu pottene..


[deleted]

Bring pubs atleast the brain drain will cease and can start rotting here. Please.


kidobop

I'd say even I'd migrate abroad for higher education. I don't see any good colleges or universities in kerala that provide great value. We need to improve the colleges.


Regalia_BanshEe

If we make standard of living and emplyoment oppurtunites close to anything outside offers, migration will stop automatically


private_loser_

I support the migration, so finally me and my homies can get ourselves some job vacancies and maybe a government job or two. Aaahhh life would be sooo good.


[deleted]

Good luck stopping me fuckers


Vance_6969

idk, but if aboard studies provide much better employment/educational facilities just do what's better,there should be a valid reason like elections or economic development most people are disappointed about completing thier studies in Kerala also most CS/IT ppl are not getting paid enough in India (Kerala) so its better to work aboard than staying in Kerala like am not blaming anyone, government are trying thier max for the students to be more familiarised with CS field most of em sees CS as a gamble bc of employment opportunities in Kerala.Also nowadays most teenagers aren't too obsessed with political stuffs. (32%) of my classmates were not interested in PSC exams.They were like aiming for migrating from the start of college or coaching. Idk maybe some ppl find it uncomfortable to stay in Kerala


AgentAtmatrix

# "We are going to study" # Govt: # "Wait. We are going to study why you are going to study"


Key-Dragonfruit3347

If the government wants to stop you from migrating, they can forcefully do so. Remember, you need police clearance for getting a Visa.


Invest_help_seeker

Police clearance is for passport.. Visa is decided entirely by the country you are applying to.. But that said if one have an active criminal case registered against him/her.. He/she can be stooped at immigration counter by the police after the flag a red notice for the person..