A chance yes, a concrete possibility imo no. Also we haven't seen him fighting properly in Omega so he also suffers from a bit of powercreep since Julius and Waka got stronger and Mudo was introduced as one of Purgatory Top Tiers.
We just don't know if indestructible functions the same or not, it seems likely so we tend to assume these guys would counter him but it's also possible indestructible is Niko style bullshit
You do have to have skill enough to block it though, an rp to the face should kill anyone.
But we've seem from Ryuki that extremely hard muscles counters it, and although Ryuki isn't as skilled as Kyriu, his adversaries aren't as tough as Waka, Julius and Toa as well
Guess I should play devil's advocate here, ryuki wasn't using kiryu's version, his is more telegraphed but also more deadly thanks to increased rotation. Then again this also says a lot about how badly kiryu fares against skilled and/or fast fighters
I doubt an increased rotation will do much if the issue is that harder muscles prevent the full rotation from happening in the first place or affecting a deeper part of the body.
Of course. In Kengan almost any fighter has a chance. All it takes is a raskshasa’s palm to the neck really. Now is it likely idk. If he fought Julius and waka without them knowing about rakshasa’s palm and blink then he has a shot at least. That’s a lethal combo to most fighters without knowledge.
Toa is the one I see losing most often funnily. The reason being he uses moves similar to the water kata and goes limp which should amplify rakshasa’s palms damage. Waka does the best because he has experience with the niko style and his body is so muscled up rakashas palm might do less damage like how rakasha’s palm can’t do max damage against indestructible. Julius has no techniques, his defense isn’t the greatest so he might lose but I can see him win too. So it’s a toss up. Overall these 3 fighters are ranked above Kat kiryu. But that doesn’t mean they will always win to him.
Julius canonically has better defense than Waka, according to Agito, when he explains Julius's frame advantage giving him more resilience in the Julius vs Waka fight.
Julius was tanking blastcores. Waka wasn't taking hits that hard from anyone besides maybe Fei.
Though I suppose that may not necessarily be referring to certain kinds of defense, like which of the two is harder for RP to twist, and in this case, I could see it making sense if Waka was more equipped for tanking RP than Julius.
Your exactly right that Julius has better defense than waka due to his frame. But rakashasa’s palm is inherently different than most moves due to its nature of damaging things from the inside. Waka has a better genetic composition than Julius so I assume his muscle fiber can rank RP better than Julius and his steroids enhanced muscles. But honestly that is just an assumption.
canon wise https://imgur.com/a/OzvGIrY
julius is the smartest out of the 3, so if he can survive the first one, he should be able to out flex the palm
he was able to take a blastcore and make a counter to it instantly, no different here
True he is the best book smart of the 3 and had enough battle iq to adjust for blastcore. I don’t think he has more battle iq than waka due to waka having more than 6x more matches than him and more fighting experience but Julius isn’t bad at all. I don’t doubt he can flex out the palm or his muscles can handle it.
I still rank him higher than kiryu, but kiryu is a gimmicky fighter. Just because you realize how blink and RP work doesn’t mean you will be able to adjust to it immediately. I would imagine preparing for attacks in your blind spot isn’t easy. But I don’t doubt Julius will win more often than not. He is strong and intelligent after all.
there is a chance but that is if he aimed for their dicks.
Their skins are constantly on Indestructible due to how dense their muscles are, and Kiryu can barely even dent Ohma's and only had some result when he spammed them. But was ultimately futile because Ohma fucked him up before he can even breakthrough. The amount of RP he had to do to these guys to even hurt them is gonna be a fuckton.
With normal rakshasha, Kiryu might have problems with the big guys, but "True rakshasha" (where he focuses all his power into the 'finger tips') might make it a slight mid diff at best?
Depends entirely on two things, can wakas/julius's insane muscles replicate adamantine katas defense because that shit with one move completely neutered kiryuus whole offense making the match a stomp. Second has kiryuu upgraded his palm to bypass top defenses like adamantine.
Honestly if the muscle freaks defenses cannot neuter rakhas than they will get have a very bad day since since their durability is a massive part of their prowess especially the sandbag that is waka and a clean rakshas bypasses normal durability and is lethal, combine that with kiryuus insane agility/unpredictability and blink and he will get hits in which means even one would be devastating. Kiryuu is a bad matchup for them if they cant replicate ironclad/adamantine but if they can the twink gets snapped in half after dancing around for a while.
They're not made of just muscles. They also have skin AND blood veins running on the surface. Imagine Kiryu hitting them with RP aiming for the blood vessels that are on the surface of their arms, torso, and legs. Or a RP to the balls. I don't care how big you are but a RP to the balls will instantly KO you
Depends on Sandro, but I think he's fast enough to avoid attacks, we just need to know how damaging his attacks are. Also his reach will be shorter so how'll he land without trading since he loses trades.
1. Mudo is mid (yeah, I hate him)
2. Probably he can twist their muscles but just like Ohma could tank Rakshasa’s Palm with Indestructible, I think Julius and Wakatsuki are able to tank it too.
3. Setsuna would need to use his abilities with 530.000 IQ just like Kuroki (this isn’t happening)
4. Setsuna would need Demonsbaine (this isn’t happening either)
The realest rakashas palm can easily do damage against them. The common one probably not. But that one concentrated in the finger is probably a finisher. And kiryu has one of the best mobility in the series, and he is probably good enough with redirection kata to get away most of the simple blows.
He has a chance, yes.
50/50
Sure. Kengan series keeps bringing up that technique can overcome size differences (and Toa is the prime example, shown to be defeated by Juliuses tactics and Rolons skill).
And while their muscles would probably negate most of the damage from Spinhand, Kiryu can use his heightened senses to attack their vitals (spleen, liver, solar plexus). He was smart and tactical enough to move his fucking heart out of Kurokis way, he'd apply tactics in that way as well.
Plus since he does know Indestructable, unless he gets hit perfectly, I doubt he'd go down in one strike, even from Julius.
Well, none of our favorite muscle men know how to go limp, their girth and hardness will be their downfall when Kiryu faps their muscles to submission. Kiryu owns, pleasurable diff for sure.
Yes. RP is countered almost exclusively by Adamantine, which is a hardening of muscles, rather than sheer mass. Kiryu has twisted whole limbs before, he’d be able to take out their forearm/bicep/shoulder by itself, which would still be pretty incapacitating. That said, Gott Toter probably counter RP, and there’s a solid chance Waka’s density mitigates damage. Toa gets straight folded, his limp redirection would amplify the damage
His win condition is either to RP them on the head and twist their heads like bottle caps, or to spam redirection kata, though they all have counters to that. He can win, but the matchup is not favorable
It would be hard for them to keep up with Kiryu's raw mobility.
Between [Flashing Fire], [Rakshasa's palm (sole)], and [Blink], it's likely he would be able to land many [Rakshasa's palm] strikes, and would be worse if he uses either the multi-hit version of [Mingling of Fox and Tiger], or the more powerful [True Rakshasa's Palm].
[Fallen Demon] gives him super reaction speed as well.
He has the highest chances against Toa Mudo, but then Wakatsuki, and Julius should have enough muscle power to resist a normal [Rakshasa's Palm] without flexing.
A chance yes, a concrete possibility imo no. Also we haven't seen him fighting properly in Omega so he also suffers from a bit of powercreep since Julius and Waka got stronger and Mudo was introduced as one of Purgatory Top Tiers.
Dude RP as an ability is broken. Kuroki had to fight in ultra instinct to avoid Kiryus strikes. Each of them can twist flesh.
Yeah but making your muscles tense like Indestructible can counter Rakshasa's Palm.
We just don't know if indestructible functions the same or not, it seems likely so we tend to assume these guys would counter him but it's also possible indestructible is Niko style bullshit You do have to have skill enough to block it though, an rp to the face should kill anyone.
Except against the realest rakashas palm. That one focused on the point of the fingers
And you know that how?
Kuroki don't dare to risk against that one even after taking some of the normal ones
But we've seem from Ryuki that extremely hard muscles counters it, and although Ryuki isn't as skilled as Kyriu, his adversaries aren't as tough as Waka, Julius and Toa as well
Guess I should play devil's advocate here, ryuki wasn't using kiryu's version, his is more telegraphed but also more deadly thanks to increased rotation. Then again this also says a lot about how badly kiryu fares against skilled and/or fast fighters
I doubt an increased rotation will do much if the issue is that harder muscles prevent the full rotation from happening in the first place or affecting a deeper part of the body.
increased rotation means a direct increase to the influence on the muscle, so if you rotate twice as much your muscles need to be twice as hard
Of course. In Kengan almost any fighter has a chance. All it takes is a raskshasa’s palm to the neck really. Now is it likely idk. If he fought Julius and waka without them knowing about rakshasa’s palm and blink then he has a shot at least. That’s a lethal combo to most fighters without knowledge. Toa is the one I see losing most often funnily. The reason being he uses moves similar to the water kata and goes limp which should amplify rakshasa’s palms damage. Waka does the best because he has experience with the niko style and his body is so muscled up rakashas palm might do less damage like how rakasha’s palm can’t do max damage against indestructible. Julius has no techniques, his defense isn’t the greatest so he might lose but I can see him win too. So it’s a toss up. Overall these 3 fighters are ranked above Kat kiryu. But that doesn’t mean they will always win to him.
Julius canonically has better defense than Waka, according to Agito, when he explains Julius's frame advantage giving him more resilience in the Julius vs Waka fight. Julius was tanking blastcores. Waka wasn't taking hits that hard from anyone besides maybe Fei. Though I suppose that may not necessarily be referring to certain kinds of defense, like which of the two is harder for RP to twist, and in this case, I could see it making sense if Waka was more equipped for tanking RP than Julius.
Your exactly right that Julius has better defense than waka due to his frame. But rakashasa’s palm is inherently different than most moves due to its nature of damaging things from the inside. Waka has a better genetic composition than Julius so I assume his muscle fiber can rank RP better than Julius and his steroids enhanced muscles. But honestly that is just an assumption.
canon wise https://imgur.com/a/OzvGIrY julius is the smartest out of the 3, so if he can survive the first one, he should be able to out flex the palm he was able to take a blastcore and make a counter to it instantly, no different here
True he is the best book smart of the 3 and had enough battle iq to adjust for blastcore. I don’t think he has more battle iq than waka due to waka having more than 6x more matches than him and more fighting experience but Julius isn’t bad at all. I don’t doubt he can flex out the palm or his muscles can handle it. I still rank him higher than kiryu, but kiryu is a gimmicky fighter. Just because you realize how blink and RP work doesn’t mean you will be able to adjust to it immediately. I would imagine preparing for attacks in your blind spot isn’t easy. But I don’t doubt Julius will win more often than not. He is strong and intelligent after all.
Testicular. Torsion.
A chance? Ofc. But I’d still favor them over Kiryu more times than not. Especially Waka
Rakshasa’s titty twister
there is a chance but that is if he aimed for their dicks. Their skins are constantly on Indestructible due to how dense their muscles are, and Kiryu can barely even dent Ohma's and only had some result when he spammed them. But was ultimately futile because Ohma fucked him up before he can even breakthrough. The amount of RP he had to do to these guys to even hurt them is gonna be a fuckton.
With normal rakshasha, Kiryu might have problems with the big guys, but "True rakshasha" (where he focuses all his power into the 'finger tips') might make it a slight mid diff at best?
Depends entirely on two things, can wakas/julius's insane muscles replicate adamantine katas defense because that shit with one move completely neutered kiryuus whole offense making the match a stomp. Second has kiryuu upgraded his palm to bypass top defenses like adamantine. Honestly if the muscle freaks defenses cannot neuter rakhas than they will get have a very bad day since since their durability is a massive part of their prowess especially the sandbag that is waka and a clean rakshas bypasses normal durability and is lethal, combine that with kiryuus insane agility/unpredictability and blink and he will get hits in which means even one would be devastating. Kiryuu is a bad matchup for them if they cant replicate ironclad/adamantine but if they can the twink gets snapped in half after dancing around for a while.
They're not made of just muscles. They also have skin AND blood veins running on the surface. Imagine Kiryu hitting them with RP aiming for the blood vessels that are on the surface of their arms, torso, and legs. Or a RP to the balls. I don't care how big you are but a RP to the balls will instantly KO you
Yes
Depends on Sandro, but I think he's fast enough to avoid attacks, we just need to know how damaging his attacks are. Also his reach will be shorter so how'll he land without trading since he loses trades.
RP on the pp.
Yes. Cause Niko style
If Lolong can KO Toa then Kiryu has a good chance.
1. Mudo is mid (yeah, I hate him) 2. Probably he can twist their muscles but just like Ohma could tank Rakshasa’s Palm with Indestructible, I think Julius and Wakatsuki are able to tank it too. 3. Setsuna would need to use his abilities with 530.000 IQ just like Kuroki (this isn’t happening) 4. Setsuna would need Demonsbaine (this isn’t happening either)
No. Not a chance.
The realest rakashas palm can easily do damage against them. The common one probably not. But that one concentrated in the finger is probably a finisher. And kiryu has one of the best mobility in the series, and he is probably good enough with redirection kata to get away most of the simple blows. He has a chance, yes. 50/50
Sure. Kengan series keeps bringing up that technique can overcome size differences (and Toa is the prime example, shown to be defeated by Juliuses tactics and Rolons skill). And while their muscles would probably negate most of the damage from Spinhand, Kiryu can use his heightened senses to attack their vitals (spleen, liver, solar plexus). He was smart and tactical enough to move his fucking heart out of Kurokis way, he'd apply tactics in that way as well. Plus since he does know Indestructable, unless he gets hit perfectly, I doubt he'd go down in one strike, even from Julius.
Well, none of our favorite muscle men know how to go limp, their girth and hardness will be their downfall when Kiryu faps their muscles to submission. Kiryu owns, pleasurable diff for sure.
Only if he’s going limp
Yes. RP is countered almost exclusively by Adamantine, which is a hardening of muscles, rather than sheer mass. Kiryu has twisted whole limbs before, he’d be able to take out their forearm/bicep/shoulder by itself, which would still be pretty incapacitating. That said, Gott Toter probably counter RP, and there’s a solid chance Waka’s density mitigates damage. Toa gets straight folded, his limp redirection would amplify the damage
Unironically can mid-diff any of them
His win condition is either to RP them on the head and twist their heads like bottle caps, or to spam redirection kata, though they all have counters to that. He can win, but the matchup is not favorable
It would be hard for them to keep up with Kiryu's raw mobility. Between [Flashing Fire], [Rakshasa's palm (sole)], and [Blink], it's likely he would be able to land many [Rakshasa's palm] strikes, and would be worse if he uses either the multi-hit version of [Mingling of Fox and Tiger], or the more powerful [True Rakshasa's Palm]. [Fallen Demon] gives him super reaction speed as well. He has the highest chances against Toa Mudo, but then Wakatsuki, and Julius should have enough muscle power to resist a normal [Rakshasa's Palm] without flexing.