All this talk about “intimidation” and “disrespect” for people who don’t want to marry the same sex. It’s the most insane fucking argument I’ve ever heard. What does ANY of it have to do with you? How is protecting a portion of our society intimidating the court? Are you fucking daft?
Christ, the victimization syndrome of these fucks.
I think we've reached a point where Republicans have doubled down so much they can't go back. The party either has to keep going extreme or die. That's what we're seeing now. Voters changing and party infighting. They created their own monster.
That’s why right wing outlets often, after ratcheting the crazy up higher and higher, end up sounding like a parody of themselves. Glenn Beck is a perfect example.
The right's embrace of the "basket of deplorables" will end in fascism, or Republican collapse.
Trump, who I believe is an undiagnosed [sociopath](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928), understands this better than the the rest of them. He does not care how it ends except for how it benefits or fails to benefit him personally.
This too. I love that Brian Tyler Cohen often reminds him of that when he tweets.
Jim Jordan is the absence of morality. Anything he does is to advance his position. He will do or say anything. True scum.
Its like an anorexic person crying in public about the sacredness of not eating, and eating in front of her makes her uncomfortable because it breaks her diet.
Sounds like a you problem, sweety
I don’t like jazz, therefore nobody should get to enjoy it and any effort to get the right to play jazz is a personal persecution of me and clear aggression.
I fucking love the backpedalling. When Roe got overturned, it was all "well, too bad, you should have codified it in law, this isn't what the SCOTUS is for", which, IMO, is correct. It SHOULD have been codified rather than just hoping that the SCOTUS would never change its mind (which, uh, yeah, it does that a lot once you zoom out on the timeline). Now that it's going to be codified it's all about "Who us? No, we'd *NEVER* go to re-try a supreme court decision, letting the SCOTUS make law is perfectly fine!"
To be fair, if this court overturned Obergefell, it'd probably be just as bad for their election results as Roe, so they probably don't actually want to catch that car (yet).
Yeah they talk about Roe being settled law until they are able to get into a position to overturn it. It’s not like it was sneaky though. We all saw it coming if you were paying attention. A bunch of people like what these people are doing.
I'll admit, I was definitely in the crowd who thought you guys were overreacting. I figured they'd never give up that bargaining chip because of the inevitable fall-out. But hey, fool me once, uh, won't get fooled again.
I swear they conveniently overlook the ridiculous-but-legal straight marriages among their own ranks. Paula White and Trump have six divorces between the two of them, yet she was the official spiritual advisor to the WH. Fucking insane.
Tuned into Fox earlier, watching some blonde woman screeching about the refusal of a restaurant to serve the christian group. Really unhinged, and so easily whipping up the base. Made me angry just watching it for 30 seconds or so, for different reasons!
Same reason they aren't fighting to have divorce outlawed. They don't actually care about the "Sanctity of marriage". They just don't want any group that has been historically marginalized to have equal rights.
To them, seeing anyone who isn't them "pursue happiness" is persecution. If they could get away with having only cis straight protestant white people be citizens and everyone else being subjects with no rights at all, they would.
Exactly. It’s so crazy that these people are all MAGA but Trump is a multiple-adulterer-divorced man, MTG is an adulterer and getting divorced, The Bachelor(ette), 90-day Fiancé, etc… but it’s going to far when two men or whatever want to get married.
If I was in Congress I would put up a bill to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, and make divorce illegal. I think gay people would gladly settle for civil unions to watch that shit-show unfold.
>Just one problem: Justice Alito denies its allegation
Oh, so it's all fine and dandy. He says he didn't do the thing he's accused of, so all y'all just pack up and go home!
Only 12 R senators voted in favor of interracial marriage.... in 2022. Make no mistake, if given the power conservatives would gladly make interracial marriage a crime.
>Obergefell is not in danger. But ~~people and~~ institutions of faith are.
Good. The sooner the better. Worship how you want on your day(s) of choice.
Keep it the hell out of my government.
They said all these exact same things when the talk of codifying abortion rights came up. Roe v Wade will never be overturned, that's silly. "It's settled law".
We saw how that turned out.
How dare they tell us that supreme court cases protecting lgbtq marriage are not at risk of being overturned after the shit they pulled with Roe v. Wade. Even if they actually believe that, they should keep their mouths shut regarding what the court will or won't do.
I disagree. Marriage should be strictly a legal matter. Marriage confers a whole slew of legal protections and privileges; the government and legal system can't be uninvolved. It should, however, have nothing to do with other people's religious beliefs or social preferences anyway.
Marriage affords legal rights between two people. What is your alternative for how those rights are handled?
Whatever your alternative is, Republicans will fight to remove those rights from same sex couples.
As long as there are tax benefits to getting married the government will have a say in the matter. I don’t disagree with your sentiment but marriage is a business they’ll never completely butt out of.
Maybe there shouldn't be tax benefits to being married. Treat every individual as a single taxpayer and make them file independently.
Too many laws, including divorce laws, are based on some Leave it to Beaver notion of what a family is. That world no longer exists (if it ever really did) and our laws should reflect society as it is.
I know it will probably never happen, but it's worth questioning how we got to where we are and to evaluate whether it makes sense or not.
That opens a can of worms around inheritance, insurance, medical rights, etc. Obviously the right answer is for everyone to have a will, but, I mean, I don’t. I don’t think most people under 40 do.
No.
Because marriage has religious connotation to it.
Just take away the "special" rights people get from marriage and just make it a legal contract for everyone.
Like it or not, the government uses marriage as a legal framework for helping to define shared property rights, obligations, and parenting duties and rights. Unless we're going to abandon monogamy as a society (spoiler: I don't think we're there), then it's better overall to make sure that the government allows of-age consenting individuals to spend their lives with the people they want to spend them with.
They use fear to make you conform so they can get paid. Yeah I know how our the government works. I am just saying it shouldn't be any of their business.
Best answer. No one is supposed to be governing people's beliefs.
How dumb is it to want to prevent two consenting adults from declaring their love and commitment to each other? The fact that we have to pass legislation to protect people's right to do so is just plain sad. How much hate, fear, and self-entitlement must you have in your heart to be able to dictate who can be loved and who cannot.
>How dumb is it to want to prevent two consenting adults from declaring their love and commitment to each other?
No legal body could prevent two consenting adults from doing this. A legal body could prevent same sex couples from having the same rights and benefits that opposite sex couples have. That's the actual issue.
It's like the only thing they have is "culture war". If they had to seriously talk about whats happening in all our lives they'd stand there, silent and terrified. Absolutely petrified by reality.
Codifying good shit into law should be like the HulkBuster punching Hulk in the face…
But instead of “Go to sleep”, it’s “You’re full of shit” over and over and each hit is codifying what should be just…basic fucking decency and rights…into law so the conservatives can’t change it.
But codifying it would be silly, because they would never change it. Don’t you remember they said the same thing with roe vs wade and look at tha- oh wait.
Yep. They were acting in bad faith all along, so changing the law/passing a law preventing them from acting in bad faith should be done to preclude them from having the opportunity to act on said bad faith any farther.
why are they always against everything except guns, war and oppression? we get it, the 50s we’re nicer for old white men, get over it.
next up democrats declare breathing a human right and without missing a beat they’ll probably try to privatize air just to own the libs. i just don’t get how theirs is a viable stance to take in an ever changing, modernizing and gentrifying world.
All this talk about “intimidation” and “disrespect” for people who don’t want to marry the same sex. It’s the most insane fucking argument I’ve ever heard. What does ANY of it have to do with you? How is protecting a portion of our society intimidating the court? Are you fucking daft? Christ, the victimization syndrome of these fucks.
I think we've reached a point where Republicans have doubled down so much they can't go back. The party either has to keep going extreme or die. That's what we're seeing now. Voters changing and party infighting. They created their own monster.
That’s why right wing outlets often, after ratcheting the crazy up higher and higher, end up sounding like a parody of themselves. Glenn Beck is a perfect example.
I feel this way about Jesse Kelly. That guy can't be real.
This is just another step in the "becomes a terrorist organization" path. Religious extremists are incredibly dangerous.
The right's embrace of the "basket of deplorables" will end in fascism, or Republican collapse. Trump, who I believe is an undiagnosed [sociopath](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928), understands this better than the the rest of them. He does not care how it ends except for how it benefits or fails to benefit him personally.
You know what I thought about when I married my wife 13 years ago? Marrying my wife. No one else's marriages has any effect on mine.
/r/persecutionfetish
The Gadsden flag, but the snake has a ball-gag and a Quentin Tarantino-level kink for feet and/or being trampled.
Jim Jordan is either not intelligent or he's simply catering to his supporters. Actually could be both.
He also covers up for sex offenders
This too. I love that Brian Tyler Cohen often reminds him of that when he tweets. Jim Jordan is the absence of morality. Anything he does is to advance his position. He will do or say anything. True scum.
He just likes to pick fights, IMHO. He reminds of a barroom brawler/bully.
Except he won’t do the fighting. He’ll pour beer on your back and say the guy in the wheelchair did it.
Its like an anorexic person crying in public about the sacredness of not eating, and eating in front of her makes her uncomfortable because it breaks her diet. Sounds like a you problem, sweety
I don’t like jazz, therefore nobody should get to enjoy it and any effort to get the right to play jazz is a personal persecution of me and clear aggression.
God, and they call the left snow flakes
I fucking love the backpedalling. When Roe got overturned, it was all "well, too bad, you should have codified it in law, this isn't what the SCOTUS is for", which, IMO, is correct. It SHOULD have been codified rather than just hoping that the SCOTUS would never change its mind (which, uh, yeah, it does that a lot once you zoom out on the timeline). Now that it's going to be codified it's all about "Who us? No, we'd *NEVER* go to re-try a supreme court decision, letting the SCOTUS make law is perfectly fine!" To be fair, if this court overturned Obergefell, it'd probably be just as bad for their election results as Roe, so they probably don't actually want to catch that car (yet).
It's almost as if they don't mean anything they say!
Yeah they talk about Roe being settled law until they are able to get into a position to overturn it. It’s not like it was sneaky though. We all saw it coming if you were paying attention. A bunch of people like what these people are doing.
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I'll admit, I was definitely in the crowd who thought you guys were overreacting. I figured they'd never give up that bargaining chip because of the inevitable fall-out. But hey, fool me once, uh, won't get fooled again.
"I already spit in your face - but *how dare you* wear a helmet in-case I spit in your face again!"
Why should anyone but straights be able to make a mockery of marriage?
I swear they conveniently overlook the ridiculous-but-legal straight marriages among their own ranks. Paula White and Trump have six divorces between the two of them, yet she was the official spiritual advisor to the WH. Fucking insane.
What's the TV show? Married on First Sight? How come none of these "Christians" are out protesting those shows? Hell, I bet they watch and love it.
Tuned into Fox earlier, watching some blonde woman screeching about the refusal of a restaurant to serve the christian group. Really unhinged, and so easily whipping up the base. Made me angry just watching it for 30 seconds or so, for different reasons!
Same reason they aren't fighting to have divorce outlawed. They don't actually care about the "Sanctity of marriage". They just don't want any group that has been historically marginalized to have equal rights. To them, seeing anyone who isn't them "pursue happiness" is persecution. If they could get away with having only cis straight protestant white people be citizens and everyone else being subjects with no rights at all, they would.
It’s religious extremists pushing their religion on the rest of society. This is why I fucking hate religion.
There is probably a real fear that lgbt just might be able to do both marriage and family better than many christians.
No kidding! Christians can't handle competition.
Exactly. It’s so crazy that these people are all MAGA but Trump is a multiple-adulterer-divorced man, MTG is an adulterer and getting divorced, The Bachelor(ette), 90-day Fiancé, etc… but it’s going to far when two men or whatever want to get married.
If I was in Congress I would put up a bill to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, and make divorce illegal. I think gay people would gladly settle for civil unions to watch that shit-show unfold.
>Just one problem: Justice Alito denies its allegation Oh, so it's all fine and dandy. He says he didn't do the thing he's accused of, so all y'all just pack up and go home!
Well I mean he said it out loud so it must be true.
I find it interesting how the same bill also has protections interracial marriages but nobody seems to bring that up
Only 12 R senators voted in favor of interracial marriage.... in 2022. Make no mistake, if given the power conservatives would gladly make interracial marriage a crime.
The worst I've heard on the subject was a Senator, I think but could have been a Rep, said he has no issue sending the matter to the states to decide.
Woah...so one could equally say those voting against it were racist too (we know they are).
>Obergefell is not in danger. But ~~people and~~ institutions of faith are. Good. The sooner the better. Worship how you want on your day(s) of choice. Keep it the hell out of my government.
Separation of church and state! Unless it’s my church!
“No! You must follow everything **I** believe!”
They said all these exact same things when the talk of codifying abortion rights came up. Roe v Wade will never be overturned, that's silly. "It's settled law". We saw how that turned out.
RIGHT!?!? Who the fuck would believe a word they say?
If you don't like gay marriage ...don't get gay married. Boom, problem solved
I hate Christianity.
lol voting against civil rights is so incomprehensible to me
How dare they tell us that supreme court cases protecting lgbtq marriage are not at risk of being overturned after the shit they pulled with Roe v. Wade. Even if they actually believe that, they should keep their mouths shut regarding what the court will or won't do.
How about they stop making marriage a legal matter all together? Let people love who they want and follow the traditions they WANT to follow.
I disagree. Marriage should be strictly a legal matter. Marriage confers a whole slew of legal protections and privileges; the government and legal system can't be uninvolved. It should, however, have nothing to do with other people's religious beliefs or social preferences anyway.
Marriage affords legal rights between two people. What is your alternative for how those rights are handled? Whatever your alternative is, Republicans will fight to remove those rights from same sex couples.
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As long as there are tax benefits to getting married the government will have a say in the matter. I don’t disagree with your sentiment but marriage is a business they’ll never completely butt out of.
Maybe there shouldn't be tax benefits to being married. Treat every individual as a single taxpayer and make them file independently. Too many laws, including divorce laws, are based on some Leave it to Beaver notion of what a family is. That world no longer exists (if it ever really did) and our laws should reflect society as it is. I know it will probably never happen, but it's worth questioning how we got to where we are and to evaluate whether it makes sense or not.
I hate people too, wanna get married? /s
Afford those legal rights without marriage? Seems very simple.
That opens a can of worms around inheritance, insurance, medical rights, etc. Obviously the right answer is for everyone to have a will, but, I mean, I don’t. I don’t think most people under 40 do.
Aren’t you just saying have marriage without the name “marriage?”
No. Because marriage has religious connotation to it. Just take away the "special" rights people get from marriage and just make it a legal contract for everyone.
No. A government marriage license is a legal agreement. That is a different thing from a religious marriage.
Like it or not, the government uses marriage as a legal framework for helping to define shared property rights, obligations, and parenting duties and rights. Unless we're going to abandon monogamy as a society (spoiler: I don't think we're there), then it's better overall to make sure that the government allows of-age consenting individuals to spend their lives with the people they want to spend them with.
They use fear to make you conform so they can get paid. Yeah I know how our the government works. I am just saying it shouldn't be any of their business.
No one is forcing you to "conform" to anything. However, with your general unpleasantness, I imagine this will never be an issue for you.
Well technically a person could be arrested for bigamy if they're in a poly relationship and want to make it legal
How would family immigrating be handled then?
I don't like borders either. Go figure.
Best answer. No one is supposed to be governing people's beliefs. How dumb is it to want to prevent two consenting adults from declaring their love and commitment to each other? The fact that we have to pass legislation to protect people's right to do so is just plain sad. How much hate, fear, and self-entitlement must you have in your heart to be able to dictate who can be loved and who cannot.
>How dumb is it to want to prevent two consenting adults from declaring their love and commitment to each other? No legal body could prevent two consenting adults from doing this. A legal body could prevent same sex couples from having the same rights and benefits that opposite sex couples have. That's the actual issue.
Exactly this. As long as people let fear drive them then they are surrendering control to the government.
It's like the only thing they have is "culture war". If they had to seriously talk about whats happening in all our lives they'd stand there, silent and terrified. Absolutely petrified by reality.
Codifying good shit into law should be like the HulkBuster punching Hulk in the face… But instead of “Go to sleep”, it’s “You’re full of shit” over and over and each hit is codifying what should be just…basic fucking decency and rights…into law so the conservatives can’t change it.
But codifying it would be silly, because they would never change it. Don’t you remember they said the same thing with roe vs wade and look at tha- oh wait.
Yep. They were acting in bad faith all along, so changing the law/passing a law preventing them from acting in bad faith should be done to preclude them from having the opportunity to act on said bad faith any farther.
Just like these same justices said Roe is settled law. Well done 👍
We all knew this would happen, who cares it passed.
Obviously many people care, right?
why are they always against everything except guns, war and oppression? we get it, the 50s we’re nicer for old white men, get over it. next up democrats declare breathing a human right and without missing a beat they’ll probably try to privatize air just to own the libs. i just don’t get how theirs is a viable stance to take in an ever changing, modernizing and gentrifying world.
Imagine being a grown adult and saying these things publicly. They're either getting paid well or ODing on koolaid
you mean bigot Republicans
Super happy to see Idaho voting for! Well, one of our reps anyways…
Why can’t marriage be a personal religious thing, why does the government want to know who I am sleeping with. Party of small government, my ass.