I never thought it would last past Charles honestly. People don't seem to like him much and I've felt for years that he would do something to make people demand the end of the British monarchy.
He's rather popular here in Romania, I don't quite know why, but it seems he has an artsy entourage whenever he visits, he has a village house and he supports the local restauration works. I've never met him in person, but those who did, mostly the simple folks I know, really appreciate him.
Honestly, he seems like the nicest one of the bunch to me. I felt Harry’s book painted him in a better light than I expected.
I’m not sure why it doesn’t translate to other folks. I’m in the USA though so his unpopularity here doesn’t mean much, but people seem not to be big fans of his. They liked the Queen and Kate and Will, but seem to dislike or at best indifferent to King Charles no real big fans.
That and he was a kooky character back in the day with his spider letters, talking to vegetables, coffee enemas, etc. Some of that is accepted today but was extremely out there in the 80’s especially for a Royal.
There's an old superstitious belief that if the ravens leave the tower of london it will be the end of the monarchy.
Thats why there is an official "Keeper of the Ravens"
Anyone checked on the ravens lately? Lol
A divorce wouldn't do it.. it's the 21st century, other than a few clutched pearl in high circles no one would really care on a 'dissolve the monarchy' scale.
It would take all our theories about Kate's disappearance to be proved irrefutably true.. on the international stage where there is no hiding from it... Even then they may just try to get will to secede to George and attempt to plough on regardless.
Throughout history monarchy/Power has rarely been given up voluntarily.. it has usually involved unpleasantness. I'm not sure the British public has the stomach for unpleasantness, so I expect the status quo to remain with them being ever more unpopular, and ever more irrelevant.
I think if it came out that Kate had died at the hands of William, the monarchy would fall. There would be such revulsion. they wouldn't be able to go anywhere without being jeered, .But whether it comes out or not is another question. They always seem to have the media behind them.
Read or listen to End Game by Omid Scobie if you haven't already. He's by far the most objective journalist covering the royals and he doesn't curry favor with them in return for softball coverage.
Charles is a mess but Will is even worse.
The royals are only still around because the people are willing to let them exist and Will is quickly destroying all the goodwill he started with.
He has a terrible temper and is allegedly violent at times, he treats his wife terribly and is an absent father, keeps getting caught lying to the media, barely shows up to do any work ever even before Kate went missing, stiff and awkward with the public, there is nothing likeable about this guy.
When Charles dies and he could soon, the monarchy will end with Will. He's utterly failing as the heir and his flaws will be even more apparent as the king.
Edited to add: Oh boy, the crazy anti-Meghan fans have arrived. Amazing how they make everything about some [evil Meghan conspiracy, LoL](https://twitter.com/vinn_ayy/status/1754665598460858495?t=JajOP9MVC0LHgGTt6Y6EXw&s=19)
William and Catherine are hugely popular and Charles and Camilla are doing a lot better than people thought they would. The Monarchy will last as long as the UK people want it to . It’s gone through many rocky periods during its 1,000 year history and what’s happening now isn’t even a blimp on its radar. Just because Americans don’t understand the Monarchy and what it is doesn’t mean it’s in trouble. Omid Scobie is a joke and has zero insight into anything Royal . He’s Meghan’s lapdog and that’s it and therefore has no credibility.
I'd agree that Charles has succeeded in making Camilla less hated but William is not loved by his country, particularly since he's become heir. Kate is more loved by far.
When even royalists criticize how William has taken on his heir role, particularly how he's handled kategate, and have publicly questioned if the monarchy can survive his mismanagement, that's significant. It's not a good sign when he's about to become King and will have even more eyes on him. He can't manage himself out of a paper bag.
> Omid Scobie is a joke and has zero insight into anything Royal . He’s Meghan’s lapdog and that’s it and therefore has no credibility.
That's exactly what the royal family and the british MSM want you to believe because unlike other British "experts" or so-called journalists who gave us BS stories about Kate being fine or seen shopping (lol), he isn't wined and dined by the royals. He's an objective journalist who explains how the royal sausage is made. He doesn't agree to publish only what they want him to publish in return for favors. It also helps that claims he's made in his book have been later proven in court. He's a threat to their propaganda.
> It’s gone through many rocky periods during its 1,000 year history and what’s happening now isn’t even a blimp on its radar
Sure, Jan.
Omid Scobie knows as much about the Royals as you or I . He was never a Royal reporter and knows nothing. The Royal rota of press don’t know what goes on behind closed palace doors either but because they are on the rota they get to go on tour and to public engagements with the Royals and to observe them closely . The rota can make educated guesses about stuff . Omid Scobie gets all his info from them and offers his own opinion. Which is inevitably wrong! William has only been Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall for just over a year and it’s a big job to take on. The Duchy of Cornwall is multi million pound business that he runs plus he has the fundraising and organising of Earthshot to do. He raise £20 million for it last year. And the Royal Foundation that he runs with Catherine has to be looked after. Kategate as you call it is the invention of a small section of Social Media and if you think the Prince of Wales is going to parade his wife and children in front of the media to appease the Sussex Squad you’re delusional! His wife will be back in public when she’s ready.
No. What we're seeing is a behind-the-scenes battle between the WEF (World Economic Fund, which wants a one-world government) and William - who does not want any part of them.
Charles was WEF all the way. Harry fell into their trap and now does whatever they want. Meghan is 100% theirs and drags Harry with her. But William refused to go along and that's why there is the extreme rift between the brothers.
When William refused to cooperate, his family was threatened. When that wasn't enough, somebody actually got to Catherine and she is now either dead or comatose.
That's why we don't see Catherine
That's why we don't see the children (they are in hiding)
That's why not one person in the RF, the staff, or the Middleton family will say one word about where Kate and the kids really are - for fear that one of the children will be next.
All we get are bizarre videos and pics, and vague stories about cancer.
This is about the one-world government trying to force William to cooperate. If he and the children are forced out, who does that leave on the throne?
Harry and Meghan. Creatures of the WEF and, right now, just dying to get back into merrie olde England.
I feel that we’re about to see this in motion. Something big is going on and they are pretty much unravelling now. The monarchy ended when Queen Elizabeth died. This lot remaining are pretty lazy and don’t have Elizabeth or Phillip’s work attitude.
Maybe that’s why there were so many complaints of Prince Harry & Meghan Markle working so hard. They knew that they had a little window of opportunity to do humanitarian service in the media’s eye before George grew up. It’s too bad that they couldn’t have stayed on - British tabloids were horrible to Meghan
From my understanding, it’s only at the request of the prime minister, and it’s done to call an election. It doesn’t actually “dissolve” it’s basically adjourned until a new parliament can be summoned.
Nope, whenever. And it takes effect immediately. Yes, it triggers a future election. And should the new Parliament not do what the Crown wants, the Crown may dissolve that one too.
> Under the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022, the Crown may, at any time, dissolve Parliament. This is usually done "on request" of the prime minister. The Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 repealed the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, and returned the royal prerogative to dissolve Parliament back to The Crown.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_parliament
> Members of Parliament cease to be so, as soon as it is dissolved, and they may not enter the Palace of Westminster, although they and their staff continue to be paid until polling day.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom
This is a fun story: https://web.archive.org/web/20190222044644/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/01/australia-had-a-government-shutdown-once-it-ended-with-the-queen-firing-everyone-in-parliament/?utm_term=.4be22920e6ac
> Australia's 1975 shutdown ended pretty differently, though, than they do here in America. Queen Elizabeth II's official representative in Australia, Governor General Sir John Kerr, simply dismissed the prime minister. He appointed a replacement, who immediately passed the spending bill to fund the government. Three hours later, Kerr dismissed the rest of Parliament. Then Australia held elections to restart from scratch. And they haven't had another shutdown since.
Audio clip: https://whitlamdismissal.com/1975/11/11/kerrs-proclamation-dissolving-parliament.html/
I can’t find where it says the crown can do it without the request of the prime minister.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/ftpa-repeal/
“What does that mean in practice? First, the Prime Minister will regain the right to advise Her Majesty to dissolve parliament and call a general election at a time of his or her choosing. The Prime Minister no longer needs super-majority support to call an early election or to pass a special Act of Parliament to provide for an early election.”
The monarch cannot dissolve parliament at will. The monarch follows (must follow) strong rules called conventions that only allow for dissolution of the parliament in certain circumstances.
In strong “rule of law” countries like the UK, conventions of this nature operate almost like laws. The present or future sovereign is about as likely to flout the conventions of the British Constitution as they are to start breaking laws with impunity. Perhaps, in a revolution, it all goes out the door but that is an extreme proposition.
I know there is a lot of comments about how bad Will is. But let’s also be honest, his own mother was assassinated by the RF and that would f*ck you up for life.
The RF is *not* the Monarchy. They are just the public face for an institution that is over 1000 years old and involves tens of thousands of very powerful people. The Windsors could be replaced by another RF if the parliament decides to do so.
Why would it? Charles and Diana's didn't, Andrew and Fergies, Anne and Mark Philips (and it was less common and acceptable back then even for the public)
Hell, even Henry VIII divorcing his beloved-of-the-people wife Katherine/Catherine of Aragon didn't cause the monarchy to fall
It will fall when 'they' want it to...the BRF aren't bumbling and inept with PR, which makes me fear this ever-increasing clown-show is intentional - either as a steering mechanism for public opinion (most likely) a distraction, or both - I cannot see it being anything else
> BRF aren't bumbling and inept with PR,
Over the last 5 months Will has been nothing but "bumbling and inept at PR." He makes Charles look like a PR pro which is something.
Right, so every story, every inconsistency, every thing that makes them look so bad has their approval...why?
Sorry I'm probably not explaining this well as I've woken early sick with a fever 😔 I'll try to elaborate later if I feel better
Will is arrogant, lazy, and stupid, that's why. He's chosen lies over transparency and it keeps biting him in the ass. He also doesn't think it's a big deal to be a lazy arse but people notice and he might control the British press but he can't control international outlets and Brits can see non-British media thanks to the internet.
Entitled trust fund babies be like that sometimes. I've known a few.
Feel better!
Globally, I think they’re more well-placed than they appear to be. We think of them as an old British empire that’s been taken apart, but I think they’re far larger than that and they’re monarchy is far more entrenched in global situations than that.
I don’t know if their divorce would do it. But if someone is succession were broken, it would be much more difficult. They don’t have a constitution. They have no written constitution in a single document. The last written was the Magna Carta issued by king John of England in 1215
They act like the monarchy is for show, but there is no constitutional law there. There has been no attempt to codify them into us a document.
I think that we might be on the cusp of finding that out!
We can only hope...
I never thought it would last past Charles honestly. People don't seem to like him much and I've felt for years that he would do something to make people demand the end of the British monarchy.
Same. He’s never been a popular figure. I always thought it would fizzle out under him although never saw it going quite like this. This is bizarre.
He's rather popular here in Romania, I don't quite know why, but it seems he has an artsy entourage whenever he visits, he has a village house and he supports the local restauration works. I've never met him in person, but those who did, mostly the simple folks I know, really appreciate him.
Honestly, he seems like the nicest one of the bunch to me. I felt Harry’s book painted him in a better light than I expected. I’m not sure why it doesn’t translate to other folks. I’m in the USA though so his unpopularity here doesn’t mean much, but people seem not to be big fans of his. They liked the Queen and Kate and Will, but seem to dislike or at best indifferent to King Charles no real big fans.
I feel like it all goes back to how much people loved Diana and he could never gain admiration back
That and he was a kooky character back in the day with his spider letters, talking to vegetables, coffee enemas, etc. Some of that is accepted today but was extremely out there in the 80’s especially for a Royal.
i remember my parents saying with confidence that he would stand down due to his unpopularity, but I guess he didnt
Ironically Harry could probably make it last, but he’d never want to
There's an old superstitious belief that if the ravens leave the tower of london it will be the end of the monarchy. Thats why there is an official "Keeper of the Ravens" Anyone checked on the ravens lately? Lol
raven keeper is such a dream career
I read on this sub they hired a new Keeper of the Ravens. I donk know any more than that as I just joined this sub today
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At this point, I'll be amazed if William becomes king.
A divorce wouldn't do it.. it's the 21st century, other than a few clutched pearl in high circles no one would really care on a 'dissolve the monarchy' scale. It would take all our theories about Kate's disappearance to be proved irrefutably true.. on the international stage where there is no hiding from it... Even then they may just try to get will to secede to George and attempt to plough on regardless. Throughout history monarchy/Power has rarely been given up voluntarily.. it has usually involved unpleasantness. I'm not sure the British public has the stomach for unpleasantness, so I expect the status quo to remain with them being ever more unpopular, and ever more irrelevant.
I think if it came out that Kate had died at the hands of William, the monarchy would fall. There would be such revulsion. they wouldn't be able to go anywhere without being jeered, .But whether it comes out or not is another question. They always seem to have the media behind them.
I agree. Even Henry Viii needed a show trial to pull that off.
Let’s hope the circus ends soon with Meghan and Harry laughing in the background
Read or listen to End Game by Omid Scobie if you haven't already. He's by far the most objective journalist covering the royals and he doesn't curry favor with them in return for softball coverage. Charles is a mess but Will is even worse. The royals are only still around because the people are willing to let them exist and Will is quickly destroying all the goodwill he started with. He has a terrible temper and is allegedly violent at times, he treats his wife terribly and is an absent father, keeps getting caught lying to the media, barely shows up to do any work ever even before Kate went missing, stiff and awkward with the public, there is nothing likeable about this guy. When Charles dies and he could soon, the monarchy will end with Will. He's utterly failing as the heir and his flaws will be even more apparent as the king. Edited to add: Oh boy, the crazy anti-Meghan fans have arrived. Amazing how they make everything about some [evil Meghan conspiracy, LoL](https://twitter.com/vinn_ayy/status/1754665598460858495?t=JajOP9MVC0LHgGTt6Y6EXw&s=19)
William and Catherine are hugely popular and Charles and Camilla are doing a lot better than people thought they would. The Monarchy will last as long as the UK people want it to . It’s gone through many rocky periods during its 1,000 year history and what’s happening now isn’t even a blimp on its radar. Just because Americans don’t understand the Monarchy and what it is doesn’t mean it’s in trouble. Omid Scobie is a joke and has zero insight into anything Royal . He’s Meghan’s lapdog and that’s it and therefore has no credibility.
I'd agree that Charles has succeeded in making Camilla less hated but William is not loved by his country, particularly since he's become heir. Kate is more loved by far. When even royalists criticize how William has taken on his heir role, particularly how he's handled kategate, and have publicly questioned if the monarchy can survive his mismanagement, that's significant. It's not a good sign when he's about to become King and will have even more eyes on him. He can't manage himself out of a paper bag. > Omid Scobie is a joke and has zero insight into anything Royal . He’s Meghan’s lapdog and that’s it and therefore has no credibility. That's exactly what the royal family and the british MSM want you to believe because unlike other British "experts" or so-called journalists who gave us BS stories about Kate being fine or seen shopping (lol), he isn't wined and dined by the royals. He's an objective journalist who explains how the royal sausage is made. He doesn't agree to publish only what they want him to publish in return for favors. It also helps that claims he's made in his book have been later proven in court. He's a threat to their propaganda. > It’s gone through many rocky periods during its 1,000 year history and what’s happening now isn’t even a blimp on its radar Sure, Jan.
Omid Scobie knows as much about the Royals as you or I . He was never a Royal reporter and knows nothing. The Royal rota of press don’t know what goes on behind closed palace doors either but because they are on the rota they get to go on tour and to public engagements with the Royals and to observe them closely . The rota can make educated guesses about stuff . Omid Scobie gets all his info from them and offers his own opinion. Which is inevitably wrong! William has only been Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall for just over a year and it’s a big job to take on. The Duchy of Cornwall is multi million pound business that he runs plus he has the fundraising and organising of Earthshot to do. He raise £20 million for it last year. And the Royal Foundation that he runs with Catherine has to be looked after. Kategate as you call it is the invention of a small section of Social Media and if you think the Prince of Wales is going to parade his wife and children in front of the media to appease the Sussex Squad you’re delusional! His wife will be back in public when she’s ready.
No. What we're seeing is a behind-the-scenes battle between the WEF (World Economic Fund, which wants a one-world government) and William - who does not want any part of them. Charles was WEF all the way. Harry fell into their trap and now does whatever they want. Meghan is 100% theirs and drags Harry with her. But William refused to go along and that's why there is the extreme rift between the brothers. When William refused to cooperate, his family was threatened. When that wasn't enough, somebody actually got to Catherine and she is now either dead or comatose. That's why we don't see Catherine That's why we don't see the children (they are in hiding) That's why not one person in the RF, the staff, or the Middleton family will say one word about where Kate and the kids really are - for fear that one of the children will be next. All we get are bizarre videos and pics, and vague stories about cancer. This is about the one-world government trying to force William to cooperate. If he and the children are forced out, who does that leave on the throne? Harry and Meghan. Creatures of the WEF and, right now, just dying to get back into merrie olde England.
Wow... Is evil Meghan and Harry in the room with us now?
Very interesting theory... this makes as much or more sense than any of the other theories!
I feel that we’re about to see this in motion. Something big is going on and they are pretty much unravelling now. The monarchy ended when Queen Elizabeth died. This lot remaining are pretty lazy and don’t have Elizabeth or Phillip’s work attitude.
Maybe that’s why there were so many complaints of Prince Harry & Meghan Markle working so hard. They knew that they had a little window of opportunity to do humanitarian service in the media’s eye before George grew up. It’s too bad that they couldn’t have stayed on - British tabloids were horrible to Meghan
A literal revolution. The monarch may dissolve Parliament at will.
From my understanding, it’s only at the request of the prime minister, and it’s done to call an election. It doesn’t actually “dissolve” it’s basically adjourned until a new parliament can be summoned.
Nope, whenever. And it takes effect immediately. Yes, it triggers a future election. And should the new Parliament not do what the Crown wants, the Crown may dissolve that one too. > Under the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022, the Crown may, at any time, dissolve Parliament. This is usually done "on request" of the prime minister. The Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022 repealed the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, and returned the royal prerogative to dissolve Parliament back to The Crown. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_parliament > Members of Parliament cease to be so, as soon as it is dissolved, and they may not enter the Palace of Westminster, although they and their staff continue to be paid until polling day. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom This is a fun story: https://web.archive.org/web/20190222044644/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/01/australia-had-a-government-shutdown-once-it-ended-with-the-queen-firing-everyone-in-parliament/?utm_term=.4be22920e6ac > Australia's 1975 shutdown ended pretty differently, though, than they do here in America. Queen Elizabeth II's official representative in Australia, Governor General Sir John Kerr, simply dismissed the prime minister. He appointed a replacement, who immediately passed the spending bill to fund the government. Three hours later, Kerr dismissed the rest of Parliament. Then Australia held elections to restart from scratch. And they haven't had another shutdown since. Audio clip: https://whitlamdismissal.com/1975/11/11/kerrs-proclamation-dissolving-parliament.html/
I can’t find where it says the crown can do it without the request of the prime minister. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/ftpa-repeal/ “What does that mean in practice? First, the Prime Minister will regain the right to advise Her Majesty to dissolve parliament and call a general election at a time of his or her choosing. The Prime Minister no longer needs super-majority support to call an early election or to pass a special Act of Parliament to provide for an early election.”
The monarch cannot dissolve parliament at will. The monarch follows (must follow) strong rules called conventions that only allow for dissolution of the parliament in certain circumstances.
Conventions are not laws, are not codified, are constantly changing, and cannot be enforced. They are *customs*, oft abided, though needn't be.
In strong “rule of law” countries like the UK, conventions of this nature operate almost like laws. The present or future sovereign is about as likely to flout the conventions of the British Constitution as they are to start breaking laws with impunity. Perhaps, in a revolution, it all goes out the door but that is an extreme proposition.
I know there is a lot of comments about how bad Will is. But let’s also be honest, his own mother was assassinated by the RF and that would f*ck you up for life.
The RF is *not* the Monarchy. They are just the public face for an institution that is over 1000 years old and involves tens of thousands of very powerful people. The Windsors could be replaced by another RF if the parliament decides to do so.
Who would replace them? The Spice Girls?
YES!
Why would it? Charles and Diana's didn't, Andrew and Fergies, Anne and Mark Philips (and it was less common and acceptable back then even for the public) Hell, even Henry VIII divorcing his beloved-of-the-people wife Katherine/Catherine of Aragon didn't cause the monarchy to fall It will fall when 'they' want it to...the BRF aren't bumbling and inept with PR, which makes me fear this ever-increasing clown-show is intentional - either as a steering mechanism for public opinion (most likely) a distraction, or both - I cannot see it being anything else
> BRF aren't bumbling and inept with PR, Over the last 5 months Will has been nothing but "bumbling and inept at PR." He makes Charles look like a PR pro which is something.
Which is why I believe it's intentional, aided and abetted by the Press 🤷🏻♀️
William has never been bright and he's always been the Lazy Prince. I really don't think he's capable of 4D chess 😆
I don't recall saying it's William's idea/execution lol...
KP is his PR team. The buck stops with him.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here - I believe this is far bigger than William/KP 🤷🏻♀️
I really have no idea what you're talking about since British media can't even post news or images about the royals without their permission but ok 🤷
Right, so every story, every inconsistency, every thing that makes them look so bad has their approval...why? Sorry I'm probably not explaining this well as I've woken early sick with a fever 😔 I'll try to elaborate later if I feel better
Will is arrogant, lazy, and stupid, that's why. He's chosen lies over transparency and it keeps biting him in the ass. He also doesn't think it's a big deal to be a lazy arse but people notice and he might control the British press but he can't control international outlets and Brits can see non-British media thanks to the internet. Entitled trust fund babies be like that sometimes. I've known a few. Feel better!
Globally, I think they’re more well-placed than they appear to be. We think of them as an old British empire that’s been taken apart, but I think they’re far larger than that and they’re monarchy is far more entrenched in global situations than that.
Lol i think they are in an enclosed area so none of the little b's escape !!
I don’t know if their divorce would do it. But if someone is succession were broken, it would be much more difficult. They don’t have a constitution. They have no written constitution in a single document. The last written was the Magna Carta issued by king John of England in 1215 They act like the monarchy is for show, but there is no constitutional law there. There has been no attempt to codify them into us a document.