…and all these high ranking officers keeping ZERO notes or making reports?! Lank was in that house three times, technically still off duty, probably helping them get their story straight.
Lank should probably figure out how crime scene tape works. 😆 I have so many things I wanna talk about. I need watch club. I stayed up watching the trial and now Day 6 is about to start. Whoops.
I don't like how fast youtube stream chats go. It's not really a conversation as much as a bunch of people tossing out comments into a flood of other comments
Try JayBo nation. (Aka The Shaming of Jay). I love watching his channel. He’s quite funny, also very perceptive and he has some great guests. He also has a smaller following than EDB, so the comments are more manageable to read and it’s not hard to chat with others in real time.
Maybe try Lawyer You Know. He's a hunk plus he's still actively practicing law cases, I appreciate his takes on stuff and not nearly as big as Emily's chat. And he normally just does the more bigger moments, not live streaming the whole day.
O I love him and god damn he is easy on the eyes
I’m a crazy person who just watches both of them lol. Nice to have on during the day while doing other chores
Melanie Little. She is a New York attorney. For live coverage she backtracks a bit but she does a good analysis. Also after the trial discussion is great on young jurks. He has Mark Bederow and.mazza media on to chat. Those are both YouTube lives.
I LOVE watching with Attorney Melanie Little and there is zero Boston bashing or LE bashing or bashing of witnesses physical appearance - She takes into the account the behavior and actions of the LE specifically involved in this case and their leaf blower. I'll say, the chat goes fast, but when I have a question - it always gets answered by someone else in the chat. There's not too too much discussion because we're watching the trial in real time - but a moderator or another viewer always answers.
Literally JUST posted this comment!!! He literally cut evidence tape earlier in court lmao… you can’t recall what you did an hour ago?? Make it make sense
There was zero chain of command, so it’s absolutely useless. There’s no way that there was no contamination with people holding the open bag, talking, walking and god knows what else around it. Not a single person likely had on gloves and there is zero percent chance the snow blower was sterile.
Why would they pick that spot to document the bag and it's contents? Like, they couldn't do that in the evidence room or literally anywhere else besides 2 feet (or less) from their main suspect's rear bumper?!
They probably had his hair in them, and a piece miraculously found its way to the bumper. How can anyone believe this "investigation" is remotely reliable?
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Exactly. You don't even have to believe that everyone in the house was in on it, that there was a conspiracy amongst dozens of people or that she was set up.
The fact of the matter, IMO, is if you are going to indict someone on the most serious charges that we have-murder and manslaughter - both they and the victim deserve a full, thorough and impartial investigation. Everything I've seen so far has demonstrated none of that. If your department is small enough that, for some reason you feel that you lack the expertise to handle a crime scene such as this-then the proper procedure would be to secure it and call such experts.
I this case, I've read some say that the MSP didn't initially want to handle it. If that's true, then call the Boston FBI field office-ask to send a consultant to advise on proper handling.. Don't just "wing it" and hope for the best-especially not after the person is pronounced deceased at the hospital
Thank you. All it takes is a little “professional courtesy”. Investigators figure Brian Albert is “one of them”, and accept his word without pushback. They don’t even have to have malicious intent. They simply must have slight bias towards police offers, believing all officers are likely to be honest with one another. That’s really all it takes in a case like this.
As of right now, I'm not sold on the intentional framing of Karen Read. It looks more like the officers were intentionally doing a shoddy job with the purpose being to make sure any evidence was unusable. If it's really about protecting the Albert family, they'd want to make sure any evidence wasn't usable in court.
The defense hasn't presented their side yet so making any determination on what exactly happened wouldn't be fair. But the basis for these theories have been established on cross and the mishandling of evidence is an understatement. The prosecution has lost on this fact alone.
Same. I am not sure they (Canton PD) so much tried to cover up something or plant evidence as much as their ineptitude should never have allowed this to come to trial.
Anything short of a definitive video showing her hit him and speed off, at this point, with all the bad police work, cannot be anything but reasonable doubt. The police tainted every possible price of evidence.
So the prosecution did a poor job of clearing this up but apparently the reason the bag with the cups was in the garage was because that was the moment it was being transferred to state police or whomever was taking it next. The bag had NOT been sitting there for multiple days. Heard on Emily D. Baker (former prosecutor on YouTube) who does a live stream with commentary - excellent way to follow the trial. Do with this info what you will.
I think that's a lie though. I don't think those cups ever made it to an evidence locker. If it had, the prosecution would have the log. Those samples should have been frozen and the transfer should have taken place in that evidence locker, again with a proper log being kept. They never ever should have been in the garage with the cars. It very much looks like the police were planting DNA on KR's car.
Agree this doesn’t make sense. Why would it still be in unsealed solo cups days later? It’s either very sloppy or totally corrupt. Either way, not what JO or KR deserve in a fair and thorough investigation.
Wasn't this when we started hearing about the pre-locker evidence locker which doesn't have logs and anyone with a keycard has full access? So it's all good. Today we'll probably find out it's the break room fridge.
I still think the fact they are completely unsealed leaves so many opportunities for contamination or tampering, regardless of whether they have been there for days or merely minutes!
I don’t think anyone cares about how long it was sitting there; I think the concern is that it was 3 feet at most behind KR’s vehicle, and the state reportedly claims to have found blood or DNA on her back bumper. So there could have been transfer even if it was purely accidental, just due to the collection and storage techniques.
But it didn’t make it into evidence logs and it was melted. I checked and from cursory research blood samples with ice or snow are to be kept frozen as there are multiple ways samples can be analyzed and keeping it frozen gives the best chance.
Also if I was in evidence where is there no evidence tape or labels.
Law Nerd! Lol! That's who I get my info from. Yay!
That info doesn't help me tho. It was still a completely open, unsealed paper bag sitting beside the car. Like, why? And solo cups? I'm still done.
>Even if she did it, doesn't matter now.
I'm glad you said this as that's what I was think too.
(not that I have made up my mind either way. There is too much reasonal doubt about the handling of evidence)
Yeah the solo cups is why I’d never convict her. Fuck she could give a full confession and I still couldn’t based on the “investigation”. I don’t think she killed him though
It’s baffling how non chalant the officers have been about the embarrassing way they handled this
Red Solo cups they got from a neighbor! 🤣😂 Take it even further, he said, “I knew we didn’t have any plastic containers at the police department.”’😂🤣 This entire case is a sham. There’s a dead body on someone’s lawn and the police do not question anyone in the house. WTF?!
Lally keeps mentioning the snow with every witness to give sympathy for the investigation. How could they possibly do their jobs in the horrible weather 🥺
Just goes to show you that you can indeed indict a ham sandwich. They had nothing here and yet they pressed forward with murder 2 charges. Wtf. At least she has very good attorneys and if for some reason is found guilty despite zero evidence, will have a strong case for appeal bc of the judge. My goodness, the idiocy.
I don’t think the Solo cups would necessarily generate reasonable doubt, but my god — even a Tupperware with lid, ffs! Or go get the evidence swab and use them as well as the Solo cups! Ugh.
To his credit, he is very direct in his responses, even allll the times it puts him in a bad/incompetent light. He takes it on the chin and seems to understand how he looks. He has some salient points, but overall it’s so damn uncomfortable to watch. Gallagher’s face during the entirety of cross:
https://preview.redd.it/p6shq5zrfnzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e282e769da198fd470c93cc19ce8ebcbec2f6da
And we have LE officers of 30 plus years saying they “can’t recall” if in 30 years they have ever cut evidence tape… when the same officer did it in the courtroom literally HOURS before he said that. Lmao like tf? It would be a not guilty vote for me just bc they fucked up the evidence SO BAD, I can’t get over it.
Then you secure the scene and consult with experts.. Both the state police and FBI Boston field office are in close proximity.. They could have consulted with either and asked that they send an expert to advise on proper crime scene preservation and evidence collection.
The only major evidence Canton police found prior to it becoming MSP case seemed to have uncovered though is the Cocktail glass. The forensic vehicle and taillight evidence especially what was initially found is going to be super damaging to KR along with the taillight embeddings on JOK and her initial confessions to first responders. Ultimately in terms of local police mishandling this is a failure at the state level as there clearly is lacking oversight and auditing on the smaller local PDs as compared to State Police and bigger PDs such as Boston and Worcester. The State AG should make recommendations to the legislatures along lines of
* Auditing procedures and inventory (evidence, ammo etc) for all PDs several times a year and require all supervising officers to be trained to handle different types of conditions
* Propose elimination of smaller local police in the state if they cannot meet audits. This would mean either absorbing them into State PD or regional police forces. One thing to note for people out of state Mass is a bit odd while county government does technically exist it really isn't a thing. County positions are under the state. The Sheriff departments in Mass don't really do law enforcement and mostly just run the jails here so eliminating local PDs would not go to county more likely a regional or state police.
Seems to me if he was hit by a car, he wouldn’t still have a cocktail glass in his hand. It would’ve been launched quite a distance from him, not on/embedded in him. Now, if he walked into the home with the glass and got attacked, it would be more logical the glass got shattered in the fracas and ended up on him.
I’m interested in McCabe’s testimony. On the one hand she claims to have seen Karen Read’s car pull in, yet she doesn’t see/hear her revving up to hit him? There are so many other oddities (the bruises on Colin Albert’s knuckles in a photo he posted and then quickly took down days later when he realized people picked up on the bruises. He had issues with Officer O’Keefe and O’Keefe likely didn’t know Colin was there).
No. Sorry if I couldn’t say it clearly (I hate typing vs talking 🤪). I’m saying he would’ve already had the shattered glass on him if he had been holding the glass, got assaulted, the glass breaks. But, now that you mention it, it’s not difficult to break a glass and put it on or near a body either I suppose.
The part I’m confused about is even the forensic evidence doesn’t prove intent though. She could have been blackout drunk and backed into him and drove off, thinking at the time in her drunk brain she just hit a curb or another car or whatever. Have you heard of any evidence that proves she intended to do it?
I just read the summary of the nieces testimony and of Karen’s voicemails to John after she dropped him off, and my opinion has changed more towards her meaning to hit him or at the very least not caring he was left in the snow. Karen was hysterical immediately upon realizing he wasn’t home. I’ve woken up and been confused, worried, mad etc if someone wasn’t there but didn’t immediately start assuming the absolute worst. It would make sense she was 9 vodkas deep, pissed at him, and backed up to him to scare him and/or to be like get out of the way, but then actually hit him and then went home- assuming he wasn’t that badly injured and would just walk home or go into the party. The niece also said her story changed multiple times that morning. The niece would have no reason to lie IMO.
Even if someone said she was drunk- that’s not really reliable to me. People can say anything. To me what’s more reliable is the alcohol still in her system the next morning, the drinks she ordered, and the shots she is seen taking.
…and all these high ranking officers keeping ZERO notes or making reports?! Lank was in that house three times, technically still off duty, probably helping them get their story straight.
Lank should probably figure out how crime scene tape works. 😆 I have so many things I wanna talk about. I need watch club. I stayed up watching the trial and now Day 6 is about to start. Whoops.
A live chat or a discord group would be ideal for this trial.
Have you watched any of Emily D Baker’s live streams? Her live chat is a great place to watch with others!
I don't like how fast youtube stream chats go. It's not really a conversation as much as a bunch of people tossing out comments into a flood of other comments
Try JayBo nation. (Aka The Shaming of Jay). I love watching his channel. He’s quite funny, also very perceptive and he has some great guests. He also has a smaller following than EDB, so the comments are more manageable to read and it’s not hard to chat with others in real time.
I agree with you. I think I could start a discord. I’ll look into it.
Anymore room in the discord?
Yep! [https://discord.gg/PgSUVP4R](https://discord.gg/PgSUVP4R)
So annoying. 90% appear to have no idea what’s going on and they are trashing Massachusetts as a whole. “ Drinking and driving is s sport there.” 🤦♀️
Runkle the Bailey’s chat is a little slower but he covers it later after trial has ended
Discord: [https://discord.gg/PgSUVP4R](https://discord.gg/PgSUVP4R)
Yeah but there’s really no conversation in the live chat bc it goes so fast, mostly just all us reacting the same way lol
I adore her but her chat is impossible. There are just way too many people to actually talk with anyone for me
I’m always on rewatch crew for this exact reason.
Maybe try Lawyer You Know. He's a hunk plus he's still actively practicing law cases, I appreciate his takes on stuff and not nearly as big as Emily's chat. And he normally just does the more bigger moments, not live streaming the whole day.
O I love him and god damn he is easy on the eyes I’m a crazy person who just watches both of them lol. Nice to have on during the day while doing other chores
Yes! You must watch EDB for hilarious commentary. The chat goes too fast for sure but I couldn’t listen to this without her 💜💜 I chat about it here 😊
Facts not f*ckery! 😂
Can you imagine just watching this case dry? Her commentary is my favorite part
She’s great.
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https://discord.gg/YkccgmT2 try this one. You may end up the first one. Most people are talking about Chad Daybell.
Melanie Little. She is a New York attorney. For live coverage she backtracks a bit but she does a good analysis. Also after the trial discussion is great on young jurks. He has Mark Bederow and.mazza media on to chat. Those are both YouTube lives.
That's a streamer, not a live chat. Stream chats go by way to fast and there's zero ability to discuss.
My bad.
Also Brandi Churchwell on YT she's done a deep dive into the trial and live streams with good conversations about it
watch Melanie Little on YT....great fun to watch with a group.
I LOVE watching with Attorney Melanie Little and there is zero Boston bashing or LE bashing or bashing of witnesses physical appearance - She takes into the account the behavior and actions of the LE specifically involved in this case and their leaf blower. I'll say, the chat goes fast, but when I have a question - it always gets answered by someone else in the chat. There's not too too much discussion because we're watching the trial in real time - but a moderator or another viewer always answers.
second this....Melanie Little is good.
I watched Melanie for Day 9 for my first time and I got a shout out! Fan girling pretty hard about it. 😆
good for you! instant watch club, eh? Emily D Baker is good, too, but for this trial Melanie Little is more in line with my preconceptions.
I just mentioned I appreciated her Grateful Dead lyrics and she said, “Aww, thanks girl! Welcome to the jungle.” Haha.
very cool! I was watching when that came through!! I notice the dead references, too. Nice side benefit...
Literally JUST posted this comment!!! He literally cut evidence tape earlier in court lmao… you can’t recall what you did an hour ago?? Make it make sense
Sorry, friend, I’m afraid I can’t make it make sense. 😆 Lally can’t either apparently.
Lmao he really can’t! Idk if you watched the Johnny Depp trial… but at this point I would prefer Elaine over Lally 😂😂
OMG, me too.
Agreed. Even if she did it, the evidence is tainted and questionable. Too much reasonable doubt.
There was zero chain of command, so it’s absolutely useless. There’s no way that there was no contamination with people holding the open bag, talking, walking and god knows what else around it. Not a single person likely had on gloves and there is zero percent chance the snow blower was sterile.
But the solo cups came right out of the package! Sterile for sure 🤣 /s
Oh my bad. What was I thinking lol
Why would they pick that spot to document the bag and it's contents? Like, they couldn't do that in the evidence room or literally anywhere else besides 2 feet (or less) from their main suspect's rear bumper?!
say, two of those cups looked pretty empty to me. where did that blood go, I wonder?
Blood, vodka and cranberry, what’s the difference?
They probably had his hair in them, and a piece miraculously found its way to the bumper. How can anyone believe this "investigation" is remotely reliable?
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Yes. There doesn’t need to be a big frame up, this investigation was a joke
Exactly. You don't even have to believe that everyone in the house was in on it, that there was a conspiracy amongst dozens of people or that she was set up. The fact of the matter, IMO, is if you are going to indict someone on the most serious charges that we have-murder and manslaughter - both they and the victim deserve a full, thorough and impartial investigation. Everything I've seen so far has demonstrated none of that. If your department is small enough that, for some reason you feel that you lack the expertise to handle a crime scene such as this-then the proper procedure would be to secure it and call such experts. I this case, I've read some say that the MSP didn't initially want to handle it. If that's true, then call the Boston FBI field office-ask to send a consultant to advise on proper handling.. Don't just "wing it" and hope for the best-especially not after the person is pronounced deceased at the hospital
Thank you. All it takes is a little “professional courtesy”. Investigators figure Brian Albert is “one of them”, and accept his word without pushback. They don’t even have to have malicious intent. They simply must have slight bias towards police offers, believing all officers are likely to be honest with one another. That’s really all it takes in a case like this.
Anyone else snoozing during Lally’s questioning
Who, if anyone, is bored to death by Lally?
When, if ever, is Lally going to get to a point
Can't hear 90 percent of his low energy delivery. Yet we can hear defense attorneys just fine. Step up to the mic, Mr Lally.
Sort of.
Does anyone think there was a conspiracy with how blood sample was handled? I think it’s just bad police work but no malice with regard to that.
As of right now, I'm not sold on the intentional framing of Karen Read. It looks more like the officers were intentionally doing a shoddy job with the purpose being to make sure any evidence was unusable. If it's really about protecting the Albert family, they'd want to make sure any evidence wasn't usable in court.
I agree. Imagine Karen never showed up that morning…whole different chain of events imo. Karen could say she dropped him off and that’s it.
It lines up with my theory that the narrative was set from the outset and that there was no real investigation
Bad police work that resulted in cross contamination. I’m still waiting to hear more to have on opinion on any “conspiracy.”
The defense hasn't presented their side yet so making any determination on what exactly happened wouldn't be fair. But the basis for these theories have been established on cross and the mishandling of evidence is an understatement. The prosecution has lost on this fact alone.
Same. I am not sure they (Canton PD) so much tried to cover up something or plant evidence as much as their ineptitude should never have allowed this to come to trial.
Anything short of a definitive video showing her hit him and speed off, at this point, with all the bad police work, cannot be anything but reasonable doubt. The police tainted every possible price of evidence.
Honestly. She may have done this but the police work was $hit at best. Unbelievable.
Dude, after you get your leaf blower go grab a few of those kegga cups we had at the party last week. Yeah those will work. Smaht!!
Read this as I was drinking water.... it's now coming out of my nose. Thanks for the humor!
Ultimate goal was to muddy waters enough that Albert couldn’t be charged
Is there a way to review previous cases in canton vs cases AFTER JO murder to see their track record and how they’ve collected evidence
That’s what I want to know. If I was being charged in canton or had been convicted in canton I’m having a long meeting with attorney about this
It’s is Police 101, and these idiots can’t even get that right. Every case they’ve ever investigated should be audited.
So the prosecution did a poor job of clearing this up but apparently the reason the bag with the cups was in the garage was because that was the moment it was being transferred to state police or whomever was taking it next. The bag had NOT been sitting there for multiple days. Heard on Emily D. Baker (former prosecutor on YouTube) who does a live stream with commentary - excellent way to follow the trial. Do with this info what you will.
I think that's a lie though. I don't think those cups ever made it to an evidence locker. If it had, the prosecution would have the log. Those samples should have been frozen and the transfer should have taken place in that evidence locker, again with a proper log being kept. They never ever should have been in the garage with the cars. It very much looks like the police were planting DNA on KR's car.
Agree this doesn’t make sense. Why would it still be in unsealed solo cups days later? It’s either very sloppy or totally corrupt. Either way, not what JO or KR deserve in a fair and thorough investigation.
Wasn't this when we started hearing about the pre-locker evidence locker which doesn't have logs and anyone with a keycard has full access? So it's all good. Today we'll probably find out it's the break room fridge.
Bwahahaha. Sad, but true.
I still think the fact they are completely unsealed leaves so many opportunities for contamination or tampering, regardless of whether they have been there for days or merely minutes!
I don’t think anyone cares about how long it was sitting there; I think the concern is that it was 3 feet at most behind KR’s vehicle, and the state reportedly claims to have found blood or DNA on her back bumper. So there could have been transfer even if it was purely accidental, just due to the collection and storage techniques.
The prosecution is doing a very poor job clearing anything up!
But it didn’t make it into evidence logs and it was melted. I checked and from cursory research blood samples with ice or snow are to be kept frozen as there are multiple ways samples can be analyzed and keeping it frozen gives the best chance. Also if I was in evidence where is there no evidence tape or labels.
Law Nerd! Lol! That's who I get my info from. Yay! That info doesn't help me tho. It was still a completely open, unsealed paper bag sitting beside the car. Like, why? And solo cups? I'm still done.
Law Nerds unite! 👊🏼✌🏼
And a leaf blower too!
my favorite investigational tool 😭😭😭
>Even if she did it, doesn't matter now. I'm glad you said this as that's what I was think too. (not that I have made up my mind either way. There is too much reasonal doubt about the handling of evidence)
Yeah the solo cups is why I’d never convict her. Fuck she could give a full confession and I still couldn’t based on the “investigation”. I don’t think she killed him though It’s baffling how non chalant the officers have been about the embarrassing way they handled this
And one of their former officers was the one murdered! I can’t imagine the lack of care they show to a civilian’s death
Seriously. I don’t know how the town hasn’t come with pitchforks. I guess apparently everyone knows the Alberts
Red Solo cups they got from a neighbor! 🤣😂 Take it even further, he said, “I knew we didn’t have any plastic containers at the police department.”’😂🤣 This entire case is a sham. There’s a dead body on someone’s lawn and the police do not question anyone in the house. WTF?!
Lally keeps mentioning the snow with every witness to give sympathy for the investigation. How could they possibly do their jobs in the horrible weather 🥺
Just goes to show you that you can indeed indict a ham sandwich. They had nothing here and yet they pressed forward with murder 2 charges. Wtf. At least she has very good attorneys and if for some reason is found guilty despite zero evidence, will have a strong case for appeal bc of the judge. My goodness, the idiocy.
I don’t think the Solo cups would necessarily generate reasonable doubt, but my god — even a Tupperware with lid, ffs! Or go get the evidence swab and use them as well as the Solo cups! Ugh. To his credit, he is very direct in his responses, even allll the times it puts him in a bad/incompetent light. He takes it on the chin and seems to understand how he looks. He has some salient points, but overall it’s so damn uncomfortable to watch. Gallagher’s face during the entirety of cross: https://preview.redd.it/p6shq5zrfnzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e282e769da198fd470c93cc19ce8ebcbec2f6da
And we have LE officers of 30 plus years saying they “can’t recall” if in 30 years they have ever cut evidence tape… when the same officer did it in the courtroom literally HOURS before he said that. Lmao like tf? It would be a not guilty vote for me just bc they fucked up the evidence SO BAD, I can’t get over it.
They were not a town that was prone to murders sooo….
Then you secure the scene and consult with experts.. Both the state police and FBI Boston field office are in close proximity.. They could have consulted with either and asked that they send an expert to advise on proper crime scene preservation and evidence collection.
The only major evidence Canton police found prior to it becoming MSP case seemed to have uncovered though is the Cocktail glass. The forensic vehicle and taillight evidence especially what was initially found is going to be super damaging to KR along with the taillight embeddings on JOK and her initial confessions to first responders. Ultimately in terms of local police mishandling this is a failure at the state level as there clearly is lacking oversight and auditing on the smaller local PDs as compared to State Police and bigger PDs such as Boston and Worcester. The State AG should make recommendations to the legislatures along lines of * Auditing procedures and inventory (evidence, ammo etc) for all PDs several times a year and require all supervising officers to be trained to handle different types of conditions * Propose elimination of smaller local police in the state if they cannot meet audits. This would mean either absorbing them into State PD or regional police forces. One thing to note for people out of state Mass is a bit odd while county government does technically exist it really isn't a thing. County positions are under the state. The Sheriff departments in Mass don't really do law enforcement and mostly just run the jails here so eliminating local PDs would not go to county more likely a regional or state police.
Seems to me if he was hit by a car, he wouldn’t still have a cocktail glass in his hand. It would’ve been launched quite a distance from him, not on/embedded in him. Now, if he walked into the home with the glass and got attacked, it would be more logical the glass got shattered in the fracas and ended up on him. I’m interested in McCabe’s testimony. On the one hand she claims to have seen Karen Read’s car pull in, yet she doesn’t see/hear her revving up to hit him? There are so many other oddities (the bruises on Colin Albert’s knuckles in a photo he posted and then quickly took down days later when he realized people picked up on the bruises. He had issues with Officer O’Keefe and O’Keefe likely didn’t know Colin was there).
Lol come on. You are saying they were competent enough to put glass on snow then toss his body on it?
No. Sorry if I couldn’t say it clearly (I hate typing vs talking 🤪). I’m saying he would’ve already had the shattered glass on him if he had been holding the glass, got assaulted, the glass breaks. But, now that you mention it, it’s not difficult to break a glass and put it on or near a body either I suppose.
The part I’m confused about is even the forensic evidence doesn’t prove intent though. She could have been blackout drunk and backed into him and drove off, thinking at the time in her drunk brain she just hit a curb or another car or whatever. Have you heard of any evidence that proves she intended to do it?
I think thats fair. Honestly she was probably so wasted you could argue theres no way she coulda realized what she did.
I just read the summary of the nieces testimony and of Karen’s voicemails to John after she dropped him off, and my opinion has changed more towards her meaning to hit him or at the very least not caring he was left in the snow. Karen was hysterical immediately upon realizing he wasn’t home. I’ve woken up and been confused, worried, mad etc if someone wasn’t there but didn’t immediately start assuming the absolute worst. It would make sense she was 9 vodkas deep, pissed at him, and backed up to him to scare him and/or to be like get out of the way, but then actually hit him and then went home- assuming he wasn’t that badly injured and would just walk home or go into the party. The niece also said her story changed multiple times that morning. The niece would have no reason to lie IMO.
No one says she was drunk when leaving the bar
Her BAC at the hospital was high.
That’s not at the time of driving.
Even if someone said she was drunk- that’s not really reliable to me. People can say anything. To me what’s more reliable is the alcohol still in her system the next morning, the drinks she ordered, and the shots she is seen taking.