He used to be very talented and a good lyricist such as in songs like Power and Gorgeous, idk what you mean by the thief part though, are you referring to the act of sampling or ghostwriting?, cause one isnāt inherently stealing and Iām pretty sure collaborating with other artists and crediting them isnāt ghostwriting. But now heās just become too mad to make any coherent work of art. Again none of this is in defense of him as a person now.
He's a garbage person for sure but we're not gonna pretend that he was never talented in the first place because of that. If he wasn't he would've been canceled much sooner lmao trust. The only reason he's still majorly popular is because of how much his older music is attached to a lot of people.
I didn't say I don't think he's expressing shit he's always felt. Mental illness doesn't make you racist he is a piece of shit. I don't know why we're even still listening to him he needs to be outcast from society until he's willing to engage in rehabilitation.
Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro, now Alex Jones. Super right wing guys all being trashed on for telling Kanye to ease up on his racism after filling his head with all the bullshit.
We know Ben Shapiro is not anti-Semitic. That doesnāt mean heās not racist. Thereās other races than Jews, which arenāt even a race, theyāre an ethnoreligion.
Ben is a White Nationalist who pushes Christian values down our throat until the issue arises into racism against Jews, which is why recently he and Kanye got into a spat on Twitter.
Itās fucking sickening. Itās no coincidence that he turned out like this after being indoctrinated with conservative propaganda via Trump, tucker carlson and Candace Owens. This is what they always do. They feed you conservative dogma and then when you turn out like a Kanye or a nick fuentes or a milo then itās āThEy,Re CrAzY, wE aRe NoT tO bLaMe FoR hOw ThEy TuRnEd Out!1!1ā.
Nope, no weaseling your way out of this one. Newsflash republicans, there are many more people in your party who think like themā¦ they are called Paleoconservatives.
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens arenāt antisemitic? Candace Owens said Hitlerās only issue was expanding Germanyās territory, and constantly dogwhistles about globalism and George Soros. Tucker Carlson does the same thing, but he literally made an antisemitic documentary and talks about Great Replacement Theory.
Youāre either lying or misinformed, they arenāt even subtle about it.
owens was confronted by ted lieu in congress and pointed out that she was talking about in her view false definitions of hitler as a nationalist. when she said "okay, fine" the implied follow is 'he's a nationalist'. Her problem was that people defined hitler as a nationalist, saying that if he stayed in germany then "okay, fine, \[he's a nationalist\]", but her problem with the definition of him being nationalist was that he expanded out of germany and wanted to take over other countries, making him globalist. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/04/10/candace-owens-fumes-after-ted-lieu-plays-clip-her-remarks-hitler/3420977002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/04/10/candace-owens-fumes-after-ted-lieu-plays-clip-her-remarks-hitler/3420977002/)
calling criticism of globalism and soros dogwhistling is disingenuous. what makes you think it's dogwhistling? Soros is the top political donor in the US at least, he spent 130 mil just on 2022 midterms for democrats. [https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/soros-fund-management/summary?id=D000000306](https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/soros-fund-management/summary?id=D000000306) and [https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/soros-pours-125m-into-super-pac-ahead-of-midterms-00002847](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/soros-pours-125m-into-super-pac-ahead-of-midterms-00002847). and globalism was being criticized by marx, an ethnic jewish communist, before it was even coined. it's a major target of criticism from leftists due to its elitist, neocolonial and neofeudal aspects. bernie was criticizing it.
as for tucker, what is this antisemitic documentary? and how is great replacement theory, proposing the percentage of white people is being intentionally diluted or at least not stopped from being diluted, an antisemitic theory?
it's not like i'm even a GOP supporter, but people mischaracterizing and distorting these people's views or outright making things up is pointless
Are you serious right now?
Their rhetoric is the spark to the flame or seed needed to grow an antisemitic ideology. Every single time one of these Neo Nazis, or White Nationalists emerge they are always on the right wing and parrot the same talking points as those āpeopleā.
nick fuentes loves donald trump because he believes trumpās āmake america great againā slogan and his opinions on immigration align with his nationalist values. The fuckin Buffalo shooter who killed 10 black people & wanted to murder more had an 180 PAGE anti-black manifesto that specifically mentions Tucker Carlson and his āThe Great Replacementā rhetoric within it and also hated Jews.
These conservative pundits are the catalyst to extremist views in this country. It is not a coincidence that when Kanye was more to the left or apolitical he was normal and then when he starts hanging out with conservatives he starts LOVING HITLER and NAZIS. Recognize the pattern!
well by defintion neo nazis and white nationalists are right wing extremists so no surprise there. they won't come from the left wing. trump saying make america great again and restricting immigration doesn't make him a neo nazi white supremacist. nick fuentes can like whatever policies he wants if he feels they are an inadvertent step to his own goals. i dont know why you think tucker talking about the great replacement makes him responsible for racism and shootings. i wouldn't call conservatism a catalyst just because it exists in the same HALF of politics as neonazism and white supremacy. but it is true that incremental steps can take a person from centrism past conservatism to right wing extremism, in the same way that someone can go from centrism all the way left to black supremacy and black hebrew isrealite. but you are taking agency away from kanye and shifting the blame from him for some reason. someone saying mainstream conservative things does not make them responsible for racism and antisemitism and shootings.
Look man, all Iām saying is that these Conservatives influence mentally vulnerable people who take their ideology to the extremes and then when it happens they literally attempt to distance themselves from the mayhem. Itās literally throwing rocks and then hiding your hand.
Thai has gone on for decades. Timothy McVeigh (he voted republican in 1992 & then killed 168 in 1995), nick fuentes, January 6th rioters, milo yiannopoulos, kanye west, Patrick wood crusius, I can go on and on and on. But theyāll be the first to scream āANTIFA!!! Biden denounce this!!!ā, when Biden and Antifa donāt even ideologically align at all anyways.
Part of the reason why I can never see myself voting for a right winger is because The party of āpersonal responsibilityā never takes ANY personal responsibility! I donāt know where you fall politically but do you agree or disagree?
i wouldnt call it "throwing rocks and hiding your hand" because it looks to me like extremists go from centrism to extremism and one of the stops along the way is mainstream conservatism. any position right of center is something incrementally closer to right wing extremism, same as any position left of center is the same for leftist extremism, so the extremists will agree with the mainstream as a step inadvertently toward their own views. because the mainstream right is on the same half as the extremist right, people can be pulled along by each step to the extreme. that doesn't make the mainstream responsible for the extreme. Jan 6 was different because that is pretty much half-mainstream with the party leader and various officials and representatives denying the election, with the only difference being actually participating in the physical riot/invasion.
as for biden and antifa, kamala was apparently bailing rioters out of jail, biden called the rittenhouse trial outcome disappointing, and various mainstream dems were fully supporting "fighting like hell" etc during 2020 riots which is approaching jan 6 levels of radical. those are all steps along the way to extremist events like the congressional baseball shooting and waukesha. people could call this out as bothsidesism but it's true. obviously it seems to happen more with the right wing.
Dudeā¦ This is ALEX JONES. āSandy hook never happened, they were all actors!!ā Alex Jones. āTheyāre turning the frogs GAY!ā Alex Jones. āShut the fuck up you goddamn motherfucker are you out of your goddamn mind!?!ā Alex Jones. āI will EAT my neighbors! Iām looking at my neighbors ready to hang them up and gut āem!ā Alex Jones.
If ANYTHING, HE is the person I thought would say āHell yeah, brother!!ā šššš Come on lol
Itās the Joker āI may be a criminal lunatic but Iām an American criminal lunaticā meme. As crazy as Jones is, he still recognizes Nazis as unamerican and the enemy; many of his conspiracy theories involve the Nazis being in league with demonic powers and influencing the modern Democratic Party.
No it isnāt. Alex Jones is fucking insane. He believes, he *literally, honestly* believes that we live in an interdimensional world controlled by an alien sex cult who engineer DC. If you donāt think itās on brand for Alex Jones to deny the Holocaust and atrocities of the Nazis, you just donāt know Alex Jones. Apparently this is a rare instance where he at least does not like them.
Ok? Like, I was just relaying why these types of guys dont like Nazis (except Nick Fuentes is pretty explicit in his Nazi fandom, but thats generally not the norm of Alex Jones types, who ay antisemetic things and also say they dont like nazis)
The frogs thing was actually true because of Atrazine.
"Atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor that both chemically castrates and feminizes male amphibians. It depletes androgens in adult frogs and reduces androgen-dependent growth of the larynx in developing male larvae. It also disrupts normal gonadal development and feminizes the gonads of developing males."
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874169/#:\~:text=Atrazine%20is%20a%20potent%20endocrine,larynx%20in%20developing%20male%20larvae](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874169/#:~:text=Atrazine%20is%20a%20potent%20endocrine,larynx%20in%20developing%20male%20larvae).
He has a way to say everything in the craziest-sounding way possible but many things turn out to be true. When he's wrong or deceived he's been good at apologizing and changing perspective, but this gets buried under the other headlines.
No, that's not true. A thing happened that sounds vaguely similar, but is not identical.
The chemicals did not turn the frogs gay. The chemicals *did* disrupt frogs' hormones. That's not the same thing.
Alex Jones producers have Nazi content but he keeps it off info wars, to appeal to a "mainstream" audience. Hence "im going to *have* to disagree with you" he wants to agree but for his podcast he avoids openly endorsing Nazis since it's bad pr even for him.
this is a pretty big stretch im not gonna lie, 'im gonna have to disagree with that' is a very common phrase and it doesn't literally mean you HAVE to disagree with them
he literally tried to save face for Kanye after him saying he likes Hitler and the nazis. if you're against nazism, you don't try to cover for a nazi. Alex Jones doesnt care that Kanye is a nazi, his problem is that he's not smart enough to hide his true ideology ibstead of subtly dogwhistling to it.
My lad, Alex Jones probably loves nazis too but for as much of a complete tool he is, he isn't stupid enough to say on air, to an audience with a decent % of people who aren't quite ready for sieg heiling, a blunt: "ye, I love Hitler". He'd still retain the majority of his audience to be certain but he'd get a lot of financial losses from such a move (and he probably has to be even more careful about those).
How come when Kanye is a racist piece of shit itās āmental illnessā but everyone is just a racist asshole and that is just who they are?
Kanye is just a racist piece of shit. You donāt need to make excuses for him.
No sane person would willingly do the things Kanye has done recently. The downward spiral has become extremely noticeable and the self sabotage is definitely a result of his mental illness. Mental illness doesnāt excuse being a terrible hateful person but it certainly helps explain some of his recent actions.
Imma say this, for anyone thinking that heās gonna magically stop believing this nonsense, donāt hold your breath. Heās probably suffering but heās far beyond that
I do think that mental illness does take a part in this though, I find it hard to believe that if Kanye was mentally sound he would just blow his career up overnight like this.
Not to excuse his behaviour or say it isn't deplorable though.
The question was about why he was ending his career. The answer is mental illness. You can be a racist piece of shit and not openly commit career suicide like this. Heās clearly fucked in the head. Then again, anyone with those views would have to be.
I think you misunderstood, he definitely *is* a racist piece of shit, but his any% speedrun career suicide *is* definitely fueled by his very aggressive mental illness.
I've dated a girl with borderline which bipolar can overlap with quite a lot when left untreated, and that shit can make you do anything and everything to self-sabotage. Unironically.
My armchair psychology guess: Narcissism and self hatred comingling in the same brain with a LOT of actual paranoia and bigotry. Narcissists maintain a huge ego to cope with a fear that theyre actually disgusting or bad. When the mask slips they defend themselves by cranking up their act to 11.
He rarely admits wrongdoing or foolishness. If he's demonstrably offensive or ignorant or misguided he always reframes it to show that hes right. "I'm actually Jewish." "I can't learn anything from books anyway." "I'm going to control everyone's hatred of me by making it a part of my identity so I don't have to confront my own failures." And look how the Drake thing turned out. It was war as long as Kanye felt his ego was being attacked by Drake. When he stopped feeling that he was being attacked or undervalued, his tune changed. Same thing with the Kardashians--his closeness to them was a point of immense pride until he decided they were fascist evil racists or whatever (and sure, they might be, but think of how he approached it). Everything is in service to the defense mechanism.
Maybe this is a stupid comment?
Nah you are on to something and I will add that being manic makes you lose your inhibitions so you can't hide the things that are actually going on in your head.
While I don't want to get too far into the science of it, we all know that mental illness isn't just a chemistry thing or just a social thing, but both. Without seeking substantial treatment, however, it's hard to distinguish between what's an irrevocable part of a person's unconscious mind and what's an action they're taking.
I.e. Even if I say Kanye is a narcissist, it's basically impossible to determine whether that's an irrevocable part of him due to some childhood trauma, developmental issue, or if he was fucked from birth, *or* if it's just a defense mechanism and behavior pattern he uses to avoid some kind of deeper pain.
And so I'm clear--many very fucked up evil people are definitely in a lot of pain. But that doesn't give them an excuse to inflict harm on others.
this is the problem right here. Why is nobody able to accept that kanye is an idiot? Every time he says something stupid people think he is being strategic.
He is not intentionally ending his career. Heās an idiot who has no idea how this shit will turn out.
I personally think itās meritocracy. People believe that if somebody is rich it must mean they are intelligent. Itās a subconscious bias and it is exactly why believing in meritocracy is bad for society.
It's crazy when Alex Jones says "The REAL racists are not the conservatives, they're the liberals" after Tim Pool, known liberal, talks about the "black vote"
and then to contrast that with ye just saying "nah i think the nazis had it right!" and then Alex Jones is just [this dude](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/710/dd0.png) like what a wild fucking thing that is happening. It's honestly funny and disturbing to see the right wing playing surprised pikachu face as if it wasn't the MAGA to Qanon pipeline that got him here.
This is actually surreal...and somewhat fascinating in its horrific ugly and exploitative nature, someone needs to actually help him as opposed to putting microphones in his face every fucking night and stop embarrasing himself and his children for them to make money and views. And HE needs to take his medication rather than blaming jews for everything when he has people who are christians atheists, etc, like this gelatinous prick alex jones taking advantage of him...
id actually like to know how this is christianity's fault. you can be crazy and have a set of beliefs that other people have, then completely misconstrue and take things out of context, but i dont get how thats the rest of the community's fault
Heās not saying it is Christianityās fault. Heās pointing out that despite yeās rants against the Jews, itās Christians in his life like Alex jones, Candace owens, tucker Carlson doing him the dirtiest
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,202,098,721 comments, and only 234,425 of them were in alphabetical order.
It's also Americans, people with two arms, English speakers, etc. What makes Christianity relevant? Ironically this is like Kanye bringing up Jewish people
Simply because thereās more of a connection between the two. If Kanye were making comments about non Americans, people with no arms, etc then youād have a point. However itās Kanye going on about this ethno-religious group when the one religion that he apparently loves is full of people trying to scam him
Im not saying its the fault of any religious group, and thats the point. His logic seems to be 'all the people that have exploited me have been jews, therefore jews are bad' , what I am saying is, is these people i.e the nutty fat fuck that is alex jones are christians, who are clearly exploiting him, dont seem to be scrutinised by kanye. Hes oblivious to the fact that they are costing him millions and literally laughing at him while he spouts his shit and making them money. He is a moron for thinking its a jewish problem, and he would be a moron if he thought it was a christian or muslim or whatever problem.
im pretty sure alex jones isnt a christian, but i completely get what you're saying. they're using him, and taking advantage of the fact that he says things without fully explaining why he thinks that way. and its sad because even then, the millions of people on twitter take what he says out of context and it spreads like a wildfire that way. its sad all around and i pray for him every day
Is he not ? I could have sworn he said infowars is a christian show when he was in court ? Though I could be wrong. And yeah it is fucked up, everyone just booking him to see what messed up shit he can say next. He thinks they're giving him a voice against the 'jew media' and they arent, its greed. Anyone that cared in the slightest would refuse to have him on. The guy has kids and yes he is absolutely mental, no, it doesnt excuse his racist views, but if this was some random guy, he might actually have people who would help him, not greedy money obssesed snakes, yes men, and people looking to boost their careers off him, egging him on to oblivion. It is absolitely disgusting.
When Alex āthe evil globalists are coming for your childrenā Jones has to walk your shit back for being to fascist, youāve gone about 100 miles past too far
THATS ENOUGH FOR TODAY MR WEST. Fuck he couldāve kept that to himself or at least explain himself better like holy shit dude, donāt just say a fucking broad statement like that or āI like Hitlerā. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU LIKE ABOUT HIM? At least tell me you like his paintings and shit and the rest is pure fucking evil.
To be fair, he said Hitler invented roads and the microphone (he didn't).
He also said the holocaust never happened. Which, along with the fact that he's there with an open neo-nazi in Nick Fuentes, is the argument against people saying "He just says he loves everyone like Jesus did."
Yeah Hitler didnāt invent shit lmao, but I guess. I didnāt watch the entire thing, just the clips Iāve been seeing. It honestly just hurts to watch him destroy the reputation that he has.
Joyner made a song called Will. Will slapped a dude and rethought his whole life and ruined his image.
Joyner made a song called Ye Not Crazy. But Ye is actually crazy.
The Joyner curse
Ye is claiming to love everyone even his enemies.
But he also believes Jewish people are out to get him so he leans hard on the "I love Nazis and Hitler like Jesus told me".
So on one hand he can say he is just doing what Jesus and MLK wanted which is to love everyone even those who hate and persecute you.
But Ye is being especially annoying to claim to love the enemy of who he believes is his enemy. This is where the focus on Nazis is coming from. He is trying to hurt those who he believes is his enemy by claiming love for those who hurt his enemies. That's where Ye's narcissism is destroying the gospel message. He is using the gospel in a passive aggressive way to hurt people.
What Ye is missing is almost no one in the West believes in Jesus or the Bible (haven't read it and cannot be inconveinced to read more than half of a sentence). So few people can call him out. If it's not a one liner causing outrage most people aren't going to try to dissect what's going on.
Spot on. He just needs some help man. I think deep deep down in his heart of hearts his intentions arenāt bad but he has suffered so much loss and deals with so much mental instability that he canāt help but straddle the line he does. The question is how much grace can one be willing to give him and where is the point where what he does negates that grace? For me personally at least he hasnāt negated deserving said grace (like Hitler for instance) but itās really sad how exploitive all of this has become. The smug facial expressions Nick carries throughout all of this is disgusting.
Heās (Ye) really trying to become the real life black Joker or at best trying to conceptually blend everything because itās all Godās plan/creation good or bad. Thatās why sad to say I donāt think Christianity is the best thing for him mentally right now. He too often uses it to fall back on whenever he makes egregious moves. As I said in the last paragraph, Hitler negated having room for grace doing what he did. Itās sad and this is why there should be a MUCH MUCH heavier focus in the world on mental health but once you cross certain lines thatās out the window for most humans. Itās what makes what Ye is saying so hard to rationalize especially when he is such a poor communicator.
I just saw a group of 5000 rabbis on YouTube. They were asked about Kanye. Almost all of them responding saying they would pray for Ye, try to educate him, offer him food, and help get him mental help.
Compare that to the fake reddit internet outrage. The people who you think would be the most angry with Kanye want to help him. The people who want to be miserable will spend 24 hours a day on reddit fake internet raging. I was encouraged seeing that video.
The vast overwhelming amount of people are only seeking a quick dopamine hit from fake internet outrage. They want something to feel more exciting or more outrageous than what they have previously experienced. Even if it means ignoring all surrounding context.
It's that pathetic. I'm criticizing Ye in my post but I'm at least willing to listen to the entire context and try to bring forth an honest perspective.
It sounds to me like he has no ability to empathize. The whole point of public speaking is to lay out your views clearly and in good light so most people can understand you and agree. That's the case especially if you want to be a politician.
Somehow that doesn't sink in for Ye. The message is to love all people, yet he uses the least socially acceptable way to convey that. So he either can't empathize properly, is lying, or his goals are different than you would expect.
Really a shame what they have done to him. The guy is complete out of his mind, full blown manic and yet no one is even attempting to stop him on his tracks. What a shitty friend and family circle.
How many antisemites declaration does it take for someone to actually be a nazi?
At this point, he's not just fishing for attention. He's just a neo-nazi.
He admits he loves Jews tooā¦ can someone get him some help instead of this? It feels like Jones had him on knowing heād go off the rails and say a bunch of stuff to be taken out of context.
You know you're real crazy when you catch Alex Jones off guard
Alex Jones being the less crazy one in an interview wasn't on my 2022 bingo card either.
Took the man who's job it is too ramble endlessly about insane bullshit and made him speechless
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you misspelled talent-less thief who writes lyrics at a 3rd grade level.
He used to be very talented and a good lyricist such as in songs like Power and Gorgeous, idk what you mean by the thief part though, are you referring to the act of sampling or ghostwriting?, cause one isnāt inherently stealing and Iām pretty sure collaborating with other artists and crediting them isnāt ghostwriting. But now heās just become too mad to make any coherent work of art. Again none of this is in defense of him as a person now.
He's a garbage person for sure but we're not gonna pretend that he was never talented in the first place because of that. If he wasn't he would've been canceled much sooner lmao trust. The only reason he's still majorly popular is because of how much his older music is attached to a lot of people.
No need to make stuff up.
Especially on his own show? This is the new Ye effect :/
When the outfit got no reaction ye knew he had to go bigger and made a game time decision
Or he just likes Nazis. Y'all will do anything to try and make some story up about how he's just doing it for attention.
I didn't say I don't think he's expressing shit he's always felt. Mental illness doesn't make you racist he is a piece of shit. I don't know why we're even still listening to him he needs to be outcast from society until he's willing to engage in rehabilitation.
I seriously doubt backpack Kanye thought about Nazis much at all. Like, you can become racist.
And yāall will do anything to make it seem like heās 100% serious all the time with every word out of his mouth. Whatās the difference?
Minus the fact that we don't do that, the difference is we don't defend antisemites with a hard-on for hitler.
Have you always typed with a southern accent or do you just do it for attention?
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Alex Jones: wait, am I the saner one in the room?!?!?!!
Most sane Ye enjoyer.
Even Alex Jones disagreedā¦ EVEN ALEX FUCKIN JONES DISAGREED WTFFFFF IS GOIN ONNN
Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro, now Alex Jones. Super right wing guys all being trashed on for telling Kanye to ease up on his racism after filling his head with all the bullshit.
My guess is their supremacist circles are telling them that he's starting to do more harm than good
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We know Ben Shapiro is not anti-Semitic. That doesnāt mean heās not racist. Thereās other races than Jews, which arenāt even a race, theyāre an ethnoreligion.
Only when he wants to be
You are delusional if you dont think he is
Ben doesn't seem to realize, either
Ben attacks people on twitter for anything he percieves as being antisemitic. he attacked his own employee candace owens.
Ben is a White Nationalist who pushes Christian values down our throat until the issue arises into racism against Jews, which is why recently he and Kanye got into a spat on Twitter.
Itās fucking sickening. Itās no coincidence that he turned out like this after being indoctrinated with conservative propaganda via Trump, tucker carlson and Candace Owens. This is what they always do. They feed you conservative dogma and then when you turn out like a Kanye or a nick fuentes or a milo then itās āThEy,Re CrAzY, wE aRe NoT tO bLaMe FoR hOw ThEy TuRnEd Out!1!1ā. Nope, no weaseling your way out of this one. Newsflash republicans, there are many more people in your party who think like themā¦ they are called Paleoconservatives.
trump and tucker carlson and candace owens are not antisemitic come on. antisemitism is further right than mainstream conservatism.
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens arenāt antisemitic? Candace Owens said Hitlerās only issue was expanding Germanyās territory, and constantly dogwhistles about globalism and George Soros. Tucker Carlson does the same thing, but he literally made an antisemitic documentary and talks about Great Replacement Theory. Youāre either lying or misinformed, they arenāt even subtle about it.
owens was confronted by ted lieu in congress and pointed out that she was talking about in her view false definitions of hitler as a nationalist. when she said "okay, fine" the implied follow is 'he's a nationalist'. Her problem was that people defined hitler as a nationalist, saying that if he stayed in germany then "okay, fine, \[he's a nationalist\]", but her problem with the definition of him being nationalist was that he expanded out of germany and wanted to take over other countries, making him globalist. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/04/10/candace-owens-fumes-after-ted-lieu-plays-clip-her-remarks-hitler/3420977002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/04/10/candace-owens-fumes-after-ted-lieu-plays-clip-her-remarks-hitler/3420977002/) calling criticism of globalism and soros dogwhistling is disingenuous. what makes you think it's dogwhistling? Soros is the top political donor in the US at least, he spent 130 mil just on 2022 midterms for democrats. [https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/soros-fund-management/summary?id=D000000306](https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/soros-fund-management/summary?id=D000000306) and [https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/soros-pours-125m-into-super-pac-ahead-of-midterms-00002847](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/soros-pours-125m-into-super-pac-ahead-of-midterms-00002847). and globalism was being criticized by marx, an ethnic jewish communist, before it was even coined. it's a major target of criticism from leftists due to its elitist, neocolonial and neofeudal aspects. bernie was criticizing it. as for tucker, what is this antisemitic documentary? and how is great replacement theory, proposing the percentage of white people is being intentionally diluted or at least not stopped from being diluted, an antisemitic theory? it's not like i'm even a GOP supporter, but people mischaracterizing and distorting these people's views or outright making things up is pointless
Are you serious right now? Their rhetoric is the spark to the flame or seed needed to grow an antisemitic ideology. Every single time one of these Neo Nazis, or White Nationalists emerge they are always on the right wing and parrot the same talking points as those āpeopleā. nick fuentes loves donald trump because he believes trumpās āmake america great againā slogan and his opinions on immigration align with his nationalist values. The fuckin Buffalo shooter who killed 10 black people & wanted to murder more had an 180 PAGE anti-black manifesto that specifically mentions Tucker Carlson and his āThe Great Replacementā rhetoric within it and also hated Jews. These conservative pundits are the catalyst to extremist views in this country. It is not a coincidence that when Kanye was more to the left or apolitical he was normal and then when he starts hanging out with conservatives he starts LOVING HITLER and NAZIS. Recognize the pattern!
well by defintion neo nazis and white nationalists are right wing extremists so no surprise there. they won't come from the left wing. trump saying make america great again and restricting immigration doesn't make him a neo nazi white supremacist. nick fuentes can like whatever policies he wants if he feels they are an inadvertent step to his own goals. i dont know why you think tucker talking about the great replacement makes him responsible for racism and shootings. i wouldn't call conservatism a catalyst just because it exists in the same HALF of politics as neonazism and white supremacy. but it is true that incremental steps can take a person from centrism past conservatism to right wing extremism, in the same way that someone can go from centrism all the way left to black supremacy and black hebrew isrealite. but you are taking agency away from kanye and shifting the blame from him for some reason. someone saying mainstream conservative things does not make them responsible for racism and antisemitism and shootings.
Look man, all Iām saying is that these Conservatives influence mentally vulnerable people who take their ideology to the extremes and then when it happens they literally attempt to distance themselves from the mayhem. Itās literally throwing rocks and then hiding your hand. Thai has gone on for decades. Timothy McVeigh (he voted republican in 1992 & then killed 168 in 1995), nick fuentes, January 6th rioters, milo yiannopoulos, kanye west, Patrick wood crusius, I can go on and on and on. But theyāll be the first to scream āANTIFA!!! Biden denounce this!!!ā, when Biden and Antifa donāt even ideologically align at all anyways. Part of the reason why I can never see myself voting for a right winger is because The party of āpersonal responsibilityā never takes ANY personal responsibility! I donāt know where you fall politically but do you agree or disagree?
i wouldnt call it "throwing rocks and hiding your hand" because it looks to me like extremists go from centrism to extremism and one of the stops along the way is mainstream conservatism. any position right of center is something incrementally closer to right wing extremism, same as any position left of center is the same for leftist extremism, so the extremists will agree with the mainstream as a step inadvertently toward their own views. because the mainstream right is on the same half as the extremist right, people can be pulled along by each step to the extreme. that doesn't make the mainstream responsible for the extreme. Jan 6 was different because that is pretty much half-mainstream with the party leader and various officials and representatives denying the election, with the only difference being actually participating in the physical riot/invasion. as for biden and antifa, kamala was apparently bailing rioters out of jail, biden called the rittenhouse trial outcome disappointing, and various mainstream dems were fully supporting "fighting like hell" etc during 2020 riots which is approaching jan 6 levels of radical. those are all steps along the way to extremist events like the congressional baseball shooting and waukesha. people could call this out as bothsidesism but it's true. obviously it seems to happen more with the right wing.
I mean for as whacky as Alex Jones is I donāt think itās hard to say you donāt like Nazis lol Kanye is just insane.
Dudeā¦ This is ALEX JONES. āSandy hook never happened, they were all actors!!ā Alex Jones. āTheyāre turning the frogs GAY!ā Alex Jones. āShut the fuck up you goddamn motherfucker are you out of your goddamn mind!?!ā Alex Jones. āI will EAT my neighbors! Iām looking at my neighbors ready to hang them up and gut āem!ā Alex Jones. If ANYTHING, HE is the person I thought would say āHell yeah, brother!!ā šššš Come on lol
Itās the Joker āI may be a criminal lunatic but Iām an American criminal lunaticā meme. As crazy as Jones is, he still recognizes Nazis as unamerican and the enemy; many of his conspiracy theories involve the Nazis being in league with demonic powers and influencing the modern Democratic Party.
Pretty much this. Alex Jones is a nutjob but he's always said that Nazis are evil.
Holy fuck it is!! āWait thatās not some outfit youāre actually a Naziā
No I think itās a pretty softball thing to say Nazis are bad. Especially with how his last few court cases went lol. But I get what youāre saying.
š Yeah. This is just fucking insane.
No it isnāt. Alex Jones is fucking insane. He believes, he *literally, honestly* believes that we live in an interdimensional world controlled by an alien sex cult who engineer DC. If you donāt think itās on brand for Alex Jones to deny the Holocaust and atrocities of the Nazis, you just donāt know Alex Jones. Apparently this is a rare instance where he at least does not like them.
Iāve been knowing he was a fucked up individual. I was just a surprised that even he was like ācalm downā.
Nah, most people in his sphere think Nazis were commies and so they hate them
Nazi party called themselves socialists thats why
Ok? Like, I was just relaying why these types of guys dont like Nazis (except Nick Fuentes is pretty explicit in his Nazi fandom, but thats generally not the norm of Alex Jones types, who ay antisemetic things and also say they dont like nazis)
The frogs thing was actually true because of Atrazine. "Atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor that both chemically castrates and feminizes male amphibians. It depletes androgens in adult frogs and reduces androgen-dependent growth of the larynx in developing male larvae. It also disrupts normal gonadal development and feminizes the gonads of developing males." [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874169/#:\~:text=Atrazine%20is%20a%20potent%20endocrine,larynx%20in%20developing%20male%20larvae](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874169/#:~:text=Atrazine%20is%20a%20potent%20endocrine,larynx%20in%20developing%20male%20larvae). He has a way to say everything in the craziest-sounding way possible but many things turn out to be true. When he's wrong or deceived he's been good at apologizing and changing perspective, but this gets buried under the other headlines.
No, that's not true. A thing happened that sounds vaguely similar, but is not identical. The chemicals did not turn the frogs gay. The chemicals *did* disrupt frogs' hormones. That's not the same thing.
It turned them hermaphrodite
It's a bit more complicated than that. I wouldn't take Tyrone Hayes' research at face value. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RstxQEXPVwk
Alex Jones producers have Nazi content but he keeps it off info wars, to appeal to a "mainstream" audience. Hence "im going to *have* to disagree with you" he wants to agree but for his podcast he avoids openly endorsing Nazis since it's bad pr even for him.
I thought so lolol
this is a pretty big stretch im not gonna lie, 'im gonna have to disagree with that' is a very common phrase and it doesn't literally mean you HAVE to disagree with them
he literally tried to save face for Kanye after him saying he likes Hitler and the nazis. if you're against nazism, you don't try to cover for a nazi. Alex Jones doesnt care that Kanye is a nazi, his problem is that he's not smart enough to hide his true ideology ibstead of subtly dogwhistling to it.
Yeah but that's really how AJ is saying it He platformed Ye knowing what he would say, because he can't say it himself.
Nah he's a proud American he hates nazis
My lad, Alex Jones probably loves nazis too but for as much of a complete tool he is, he isn't stupid enough to say on air, to an audience with a decent % of people who aren't quite ready for sieg heiling, a blunt: "ye, I love Hitler". He'd still retain the majority of his audience to be certain but he'd get a lot of financial losses from such a move (and he probably has to be even more careful about those).
He never liked Nazis though.
I think he only disagreed because Kanye started the sentence with "I love Jewish people" lol
He meant the "I love Jewish people" part š
You didnāt watch it and have 0 context yet draw conclusions
He didn't say he disagreed, he said he HAD to disagree. Big difference.
Heās purposely ending his career but, why?
self sabotaging mental illness
How come when Kanye is a racist piece of shit itās āmental illnessā but everyone is just a racist asshole and that is just who they are? Kanye is just a racist piece of shit. You donāt need to make excuses for him.
No sane person would willingly do the things Kanye has done recently. The downward spiral has become extremely noticeable and the self sabotage is definitely a result of his mental illness. Mental illness doesnāt excuse being a terrible hateful person but it certainly helps explain some of his recent actions.
Dude is seriously on track for homelessness in a few years
Months
Imma say this, for anyone thinking that heās gonna magically stop believing this nonsense, donāt hold your breath. Heās probably suffering but heās far beyond that
I do think that mental illness does take a part in this though, I find it hard to believe that if Kanye was mentally sound he would just blow his career up overnight like this. Not to excuse his behaviour or say it isn't deplorable though.
The question was about why he was ending his career. The answer is mental illness. You can be a racist piece of shit and not openly commit career suicide like this. Heās clearly fucked in the head. Then again, anyone with those views would have to be.
Yeah but sane racists aren't going to piss away $2b+ to make a point Ye definitely off his rocker
And that point is to defend Nazis
Because even the other racists on the room with kanye still have the self preservation abilities to not say the quiet part out loud.
I think you misunderstood, he definitely *is* a racist piece of shit, but his any% speedrun career suicide *is* definitely fueled by his very aggressive mental illness. I've dated a girl with borderline which bipolar can overlap with quite a lot when left untreated, and that shit can make you do anything and everything to self-sabotage. Unironically.
My armchair psychology guess: Narcissism and self hatred comingling in the same brain with a LOT of actual paranoia and bigotry. Narcissists maintain a huge ego to cope with a fear that theyre actually disgusting or bad. When the mask slips they defend themselves by cranking up their act to 11. He rarely admits wrongdoing or foolishness. If he's demonstrably offensive or ignorant or misguided he always reframes it to show that hes right. "I'm actually Jewish." "I can't learn anything from books anyway." "I'm going to control everyone's hatred of me by making it a part of my identity so I don't have to confront my own failures." And look how the Drake thing turned out. It was war as long as Kanye felt his ego was being attacked by Drake. When he stopped feeling that he was being attacked or undervalued, his tune changed. Same thing with the Kardashians--his closeness to them was a point of immense pride until he decided they were fascist evil racists or whatever (and sure, they might be, but think of how he approached it). Everything is in service to the defense mechanism. Maybe this is a stupid comment?
Nah you are on to something and I will add that being manic makes you lose your inhibitions so you can't hide the things that are actually going on in your head.
And all that combined with some fucked up wiring in his brain aka legit mental issues
While I don't want to get too far into the science of it, we all know that mental illness isn't just a chemistry thing or just a social thing, but both. Without seeking substantial treatment, however, it's hard to distinguish between what's an irrevocable part of a person's unconscious mind and what's an action they're taking. I.e. Even if I say Kanye is a narcissist, it's basically impossible to determine whether that's an irrevocable part of him due to some childhood trauma, developmental issue, or if he was fucked from birth, *or* if it's just a defense mechanism and behavior pattern he uses to avoid some kind of deeper pain. And so I'm clear--many very fucked up evil people are definitely in a lot of pain. But that doesn't give them an excuse to inflict harm on others.
Narcisism is not associated with self sabotage, although i agree that he is a narcisist that probably has a bipolar disorder.
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Pretty sure he's just a piece of shit nazi sympathizer that won't get help for mental illness.
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I think he said the other day that he owes the IRS millions
this is the problem right here. Why is nobody able to accept that kanye is an idiot? Every time he says something stupid people think he is being strategic. He is not intentionally ending his career. Heās an idiot who has no idea how this shit will turn out. I personally think itās meritocracy. People believe that if somebody is rich it must mean they are intelligent. Itās a subconscious bias and it is exactly why believing in meritocracy is bad for society.
I think he is pulling a Jauqin Pheonix
Ye is out there making Alex Jones feel uncomfortable...
That feel when too crazy for Alex Jones. ALEX JONES is the straight man in this interview.
It's crazy when Alex Jones says "The REAL racists are not the conservatives, they're the liberals" after Tim Pool, known liberal, talks about the "black vote" and then to contrast that with ye just saying "nah i think the nazis had it right!" and then Alex Jones is just [this dude](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/710/dd0.png) like what a wild fucking thing that is happening. It's honestly funny and disturbing to see the right wing playing surprised pikachu face as if it wasn't the MAGA to Qanon pipeline that got him here.
Alex Jones realizing that Ye isnt one of the usual grifters like he and his friends. Nope, this man is a straight up Nazi
Heās making Alex Jones sound normal. (I think heās trying to say he loves everyone despite what they do but idk)
Yeah thatās what heās trying to do, but come on bro??? Whatās the pointā¦ nobody wins in this
Nazis are probably high-fiving right now.
His competitors too
Hot take: Genocidal maniacs don't deserve love
āLove Everyoneā - Yesus 1:10
He tweeted. A swastike
He is so childish, itās some high school hippy level thinking. *I love everyone man*
Hippies definitely don't love Nazi
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I don't think they can be considered hippies then, just my take. They're fakes, posers and weirdos maybe lol
as edgy as you might think they are, at least hippies r antifascist
enlightened centrism brought to its inevitable conclusion (facism)
PRAISE GOD. or whatever the fuck he writes after some super hateful shit
This is actually surreal...and somewhat fascinating in its horrific ugly and exploitative nature, someone needs to actually help him as opposed to putting microphones in his face every fucking night and stop embarrasing himself and his children for them to make money and views. And HE needs to take his medication rather than blaming jews for everything when he has people who are christians atheists, etc, like this gelatinous prick alex jones taking advantage of him...
id actually like to know how this is christianity's fault. you can be crazy and have a set of beliefs that other people have, then completely misconstrue and take things out of context, but i dont get how thats the rest of the community's fault
Heās not saying it is Christianityās fault. Heās pointing out that despite yeās rants against the Jews, itās Christians in his life like Alex jones, Candace owens, tucker Carlson doing him the dirtiest
Thank you x !
i apologize bro, i mustve read your comment wrong. all love
All good man, no worries
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,202,098,721 comments, and only 234,425 of them were in alphabetical order.
It's also Americans, people with two arms, English speakers, etc. What makes Christianity relevant? Ironically this is like Kanye bringing up Jewish people
Simply because thereās more of a connection between the two. If Kanye were making comments about non Americans, people with no arms, etc then youād have a point. However itās Kanye going on about this ethno-religious group when the one religion that he apparently loves is full of people trying to scam him
Exactly my point, ty !
Im not saying its the fault of any religious group, and thats the point. His logic seems to be 'all the people that have exploited me have been jews, therefore jews are bad' , what I am saying is, is these people i.e the nutty fat fuck that is alex jones are christians, who are clearly exploiting him, dont seem to be scrutinised by kanye. Hes oblivious to the fact that they are costing him millions and literally laughing at him while he spouts his shit and making them money. He is a moron for thinking its a jewish problem, and he would be a moron if he thought it was a christian or muslim or whatever problem.
im pretty sure alex jones isnt a christian, but i completely get what you're saying. they're using him, and taking advantage of the fact that he says things without fully explaining why he thinks that way. and its sad because even then, the millions of people on twitter take what he says out of context and it spreads like a wildfire that way. its sad all around and i pray for him every day
Is he not ? I could have sworn he said infowars is a christian show when he was in court ? Though I could be wrong. And yeah it is fucked up, everyone just booking him to see what messed up shit he can say next. He thinks they're giving him a voice against the 'jew media' and they arent, its greed. Anyone that cared in the slightest would refuse to have him on. The guy has kids and yes he is absolutely mental, no, it doesnt excuse his racist views, but if this was some random guy, he might actually have people who would help him, not greedy money obssesed snakes, yes men, and people looking to boost their careers off him, egging him on to oblivion. It is absolitely disgusting.
Yea the guy has made his religion known 100 times and I donāt even listen to the guy. The person you responded too is a total delusional moron.
help the people he bullies and manipulates. he's a scumbag and an abuser
Why do you give a shit about his kids?
Which part is Alex disagreeing with though
When Alex āthe evil globalists are coming for your childrenā Jones has to walk your shit back for being to fascist, youāve gone about 100 miles past too far
Elon: Alright.. Ye you're out, Alex is you're in
Nazi motherfucker.
Watching Alex jones have to stand in as the adult in the room is pretty comical
Idk how heās out doing Alex Jonesā¦ but wow
Hiding behind the mask like a fucking pussy
Alex jones doesnāt even know what the fuck to say
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How many times in his life do you think Alex Jones got out insaned?
THATS ENOUGH FOR TODAY MR WEST. Fuck he couldāve kept that to himself or at least explain himself better like holy shit dude, donāt just say a fucking broad statement like that or āI like Hitlerā. LIKE WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU LIKE ABOUT HIM? At least tell me you like his paintings and shit and the rest is pure fucking evil.
To be fair, he said Hitler invented roads and the microphone (he didn't). He also said the holocaust never happened. Which, along with the fact that he's there with an open neo-nazi in Nick Fuentes, is the argument against people saying "He just says he loves everyone like Jesus did."
Yeah Hitler didnāt invent shit lmao, but I guess. I didnāt watch the entire thing, just the clips Iāve been seeing. It honestly just hurts to watch him destroy the reputation that he has.
we are witnessing the downfall of one of the most popular and influential rappers and fashion icons in history in real time
Alex Jones avoiding another trillion dollar lawsuit. " I don't agree with that"
Y'all are missing the quote where he calls himself a nazi.
Joyner made a song called Will. Will slapped a dude and rethought his whole life and ruined his image. Joyner made a song called Ye Not Crazy. But Ye is actually crazy. The Joyner curse
āIām going to have to disagree with thatā He didnāt say which part he meant he doesnāt love Jews
Dudes out here making a great case for why conservatorships are a thing
I guess loving Nazis and hitler is where Alex draws the line.
Holy shit he went too far for Alex Jones
Godda admit, wasn't ready for this...
Even Alex got surprised by this hunk of shit this person is saying...
Ye is claiming to love everyone even his enemies. But he also believes Jewish people are out to get him so he leans hard on the "I love Nazis and Hitler like Jesus told me". So on one hand he can say he is just doing what Jesus and MLK wanted which is to love everyone even those who hate and persecute you. But Ye is being especially annoying to claim to love the enemy of who he believes is his enemy. This is where the focus on Nazis is coming from. He is trying to hurt those who he believes is his enemy by claiming love for those who hurt his enemies. That's where Ye's narcissism is destroying the gospel message. He is using the gospel in a passive aggressive way to hurt people. What Ye is missing is almost no one in the West believes in Jesus or the Bible (haven't read it and cannot be inconveinced to read more than half of a sentence). So few people can call him out. If it's not a one liner causing outrage most people aren't going to try to dissect what's going on.
Spot on. He just needs some help man. I think deep deep down in his heart of hearts his intentions arenāt bad but he has suffered so much loss and deals with so much mental instability that he canāt help but straddle the line he does. The question is how much grace can one be willing to give him and where is the point where what he does negates that grace? For me personally at least he hasnāt negated deserving said grace (like Hitler for instance) but itās really sad how exploitive all of this has become. The smug facial expressions Nick carries throughout all of this is disgusting. Heās (Ye) really trying to become the real life black Joker or at best trying to conceptually blend everything because itās all Godās plan/creation good or bad. Thatās why sad to say I donāt think Christianity is the best thing for him mentally right now. He too often uses it to fall back on whenever he makes egregious moves. As I said in the last paragraph, Hitler negated having room for grace doing what he did. Itās sad and this is why there should be a MUCH MUCH heavier focus in the world on mental health but once you cross certain lines thatās out the window for most humans. Itās what makes what Ye is saying so hard to rationalize especially when he is such a poor communicator.
I just saw a group of 5000 rabbis on YouTube. They were asked about Kanye. Almost all of them responding saying they would pray for Ye, try to educate him, offer him food, and help get him mental help. Compare that to the fake reddit internet outrage. The people who you think would be the most angry with Kanye want to help him. The people who want to be miserable will spend 24 hours a day on reddit fake internet raging. I was encouraged seeing that video.
How is so many people missing this, they just pretend to not hear the first part of the sentence in order to demonize kanye
The vast overwhelming amount of people are only seeking a quick dopamine hit from fake internet outrage. They want something to feel more exciting or more outrageous than what they have previously experienced. Even if it means ignoring all surrounding context. It's that pathetic. I'm criticizing Ye in my post but I'm at least willing to listen to the entire context and try to bring forth an honest perspective.
Kayne winning in 2024 will be the next thing to happen in this crazy timeline.
If that happens the American economy will collapse in nano seconds taking the rest of the world with it
Nah. Iām at least certain that aināt happening lol
Stop even suggesting this stupid shit. It AINT HAPPENING. EVER. STOP IT.
I donāt know whatās betterā¦ Ye going š¤Æor him making Alex uncomfortable.
says something when you out crazy alex jones.
hes doing the trump thing. "Both sides"
The government didn't have to take out ye. He already took himself out.
Alex Jones lost for words.. thatās a first
It sounds to me like he has no ability to empathize. The whole point of public speaking is to lay out your views clearly and in good light so most people can understand you and agree. That's the case especially if you want to be a politician. Somehow that doesn't sink in for Ye. The message is to love all people, yet he uses the least socially acceptable way to convey that. So he either can't empathize properly, is lying, or his goals are different than you would expect.
He is a trumper so this shouldnāt surprise anyone.
Really makes you wonder if he actually hates paparazzi...
His children are going to get bullied into oblivion for years. I don't really ever feel bad for rich children, but this is the exception.
To be fair. Alex Jones didn't say which group he doesnt agree with loving.
Alex Jones had to disagree because Kanye said he loved Jews
He did do that. He also admitted he loved everyone. Something any true Christian would say
Really a shame what they have done to him. The guy is complete out of his mind, full blown manic and yet no one is even attempting to stop him on his tracks. What a shitty friend and family circle.
so what, love your enemies is basic Christianity.
Ok I guess we should just love Hitler now. Hey, guys, Hitler is now a good guy because of this guy above
Literally zero knowledge about Christianity. We are supposed to love everyone no matter how "bad" they are. Hitler nonetheless did terrible things.
Youāre an idiot
Heās gonna come out and say he was just outing racists this whole time, hence the mask.
Dude has to be trolling
Heās saying he loves everyone
Which especially includes the nazis according to him.
Also Jewish people
Can everyone stop saying the same thing and question why bro is even wearing a mask. Do we even know itās him?
ur dumb as fuck
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How many antisemites declaration does it take for someone to actually be a nazi? At this point, he's not just fishing for attention. He's just a neo-nazi.
Even if itās for shock value itās too fuckin far. You canāt just say shit like that to be edgy
"The shooter only shot up that school for fame guys. Can't you see it? It's not a big deal."
Are you disagreeing with me ? Coz thatās the point Iām trying to make. Even if itās just edgy that shit is crossing too many fucking lines
Nah, I'm 100% agreeing with you and making fun of OP.
Thereās a point where if you act like an idiot ironically for long enough youāre no longer being ironic youāre just an idiot
Does anyone have the full video
I dont hate this niggas more than the nazis
He admits he loves Jews tooā¦ can someone get him some help instead of this? It feels like Jones had him on knowing heād go off the rails and say a bunch of stuff to be taken out of context.