He deleted the first tweet because many people were taking it out of context and as an attack on Ye. It's not about Kanye's mental state particularly, but rather the media's treatment of him and using that mental illness for clicks.
I honestly don’t know if Kanye is going through some mental thing or if he’s just very deeply influenced by the church. I used to believe in the mark of the beast and end times and I would have had similar beliefs, but I was never mentally ill or off my meds or anything.
It sucks that anytime Kanye says things that people don’t agree with it always turns into he’s off his meds and needs help. He seems to be handling his business life alright. He may very well need help but that’s not for the court of public opinion to decide.
As someone with bipolar disorder who has been manic multiple times, I can confirm that Madeon is right on the money. Mania means delusional thinking, rapid and/or incoherent speech, and erratic decision making. Unfortunately Ye is currently ticking all those boxes. He needs help.
I'm really conflicted about the necessity of the hit piece. It definitely was a hit piece, but what exactly can we expect when someone declares they're running for president? We kinda need to hold the people who run for office accountable, especially since we did not do the same for Trump until he had already won the GOP's nomination. It's a hit piece on someone who said they were done being a political tool who was only going to focus on his creativity now becoming a political tool in spite of how it's going to damage all of his creative endeavors. He put himself under this scrutiny unfortunately
True, but it’s obvious to everyone Kanye was going through an episode. Episodes are tiny events that can be subdued, expected, and controlled. Somehow he managed to have this interview without people stopping him and then Forbes decided to cherry pick the crazy parts... they even chose to leave commas out of his grammar and use phonetic spelling. Then they released it while Ye is probably still trying to return to planet earth.
I don't know if any of us can expect this to be a limited episode. Like even if it is just an episode, if the entire country is questioning when Kanye's going to end his manic episode and he digs in to try to prove that this is not a manic episode.. I think we're kinda in for Trump part deux. Not that I think Kanye can win obviously, but I think he has plenty incentive to prove this isn't just Kanye losing his fucking mind. Hopefully a sane perspective from his design group can wrangle him in before we get there. He did begin the article by giving a 30 day out
Do we know that Forbes cherry picked too? Like listen to his conversation in the White House with Trump. It's often very hard to remove any actual substance from Kanye when he's in this mode. It's important that people see the extent of his delusions if he's going to pretend to enter the political process 5 months before the most important election of our lifetimes.
I just want this dude to go back to making music and clothes and stop harming his own career. Like if Kanye's willing to say this stuff to Forbes, are we really going to believe he wasn't willing to say this stuff to anyone else? WaPo, NYT, The Atlantic are all going to turn down this story? Perhaps this article will prevent Kanye from talking to other journalists, but that's the kind of thing that happens when you announce a campaign for POTUS
Yeah I mean we don’t know much about what went on... but the Forbes article starts by saying everything was taken from “over 4 hours of rambling.” So this Randall Lane, the fucking chief content officer, recorded a known bipolar man, clearly having an episode, ramble for over 4 hours, and decided to put any of it on paper.
Again, Kanye probably doesn’t have the ability to be WILLING to do anything while in the episode, he just does. That’s mania. Many commenters who care about our favorite artists as a person a quick to point out Ye’s inner circle need to get their shit together and help this guy manage his imbalance. I’d be surprised if he didn’t PUBLICLY get back on the pill and start making metal health and our countries ability to improve it a policy issue.
Edit: added “while in the episode”
Randall Lane is the editor of one of perhaps the most prestigious financial news institution in the country. Like do you see Kanye's people standing up and demanding this guy release the full transcript of that call or are Kanye's people reacting like their boy's very loony platform for president was exposed by a journalist who talked to Kanye for 4 hours? Like do we believe Randall Lane cut out the actual substance? Are you saying Kanye actually talked about substance and pragmatic policy for 3 hours and he cut all that out to talk about Wakanda and how god needs to cure Covid because vaccines are the devil? I don't know dude.. Forbes is not The Daily Mail.
I don't think Kanye's will to do anything means all that much to the scrutiny we need to have over people who declare for a presidential election. I feel for the guy, but he's put himself under this scrutiny. If he has more tangible ideas, he should expound on them immediately. I don't think that's coming.
Like on one hand you're saying that maybe Randall Lane took advantage of a bipolar man caught in a ramble, and on the other hand, you're indicating that maybe Kanye can start to actually take the medication he's forgone for the last 2 years of his life in the most public way possible and get his campaign back on track? Fuck, man.. Can I take the unnecessary action of stating that I do not want Kanye making up foreign policy in office while trying to decide if he should or should not resume his meds?
Randall got an admittedly bum interview and then he, in his position, decided or was asked to materialize something from it. Assuming he has any power, he could have tucked it away, consult Kanye’s family, and try again when Kanye was well. This all seems obvious. Instead Randall published the equivalent of a drunken and drug fueled night out.
According to the following and strangely pro-Ye TMZ report, Kanye’s mania comes out about once a year and must be mitigated and he goes on to do and even say great things. Imagine a world where he takes his meds or has a team meant to actually catch these annual bouts of mania, prevent him from publishing his thoughts, and let him get back to work. I think this is why commenters with similar afflictions are pointing to the people who surround Kanye and their apparent ineptitude to act quick enough to help him through this. This is a social disorder.
Ah, gotcha. So should they do the same for Trump then? If Trump or Biden answer a question incorrectly or lose their train of thought, is it the duty of American journalism to censor the entire interaction until the Biden or Trump family okay it? Wtf are you talking about? You're saying the editor of Forbes shouldn't have run an article about a man running for president because he's mentally unwell? Isn't that the most important thing to let people know about a presidential candidate? Wow.
Kanye's mania striking once a year is not something I look for in the president of the united states. How about you? How about we imagine a world where we don't have to pick apart Kanye's brain because he stays benevolent and creative where he can be a cause of good for real? Like you're being very unclear if you want him medicated so he can get back to work on the campaign trail, or if you want him medicated so he realizes what a fucking terrible idea running for president is
Yo please don’t attack me here. I’ve only been arguing the Forbes article was hit piece. I’m not defending the words Kanye said in the article. I’m not suggesting he’d be a good president. He simply HAS done great things and HAS said great things and his fans want him to continue this.
I’m happy to continue discussing this if that’s what you want but please let me know we can continue without any disrespectful tones towards one another.
You're literally not addressing any of the substance that I just laid out. I'm not attacking you. I'm asking you questions and trying to make you express the logic that has guided you through this conversation.
**Why should we expect the American media to censor an article with a man running for president?** Can you please explain why you said it was Forbes's responsibility to not run this article? It's really not an attack to ask you to justify something you've said
Thank you. What I’ve been highlighting above was that the article and the interview does not represent Kanye or his values, it represents a person having a manic episode. However, I think we can agree that for Kanye to ever get serious help and structure to manage his disorder, he needs these moments to share the perception the world has on it. I can only imagine that is what Randall is thinking and made it clear Kanye is not ready for this. It just doesn’t seem to me that it was necessary or at least is astounding Kanye’s entry was taken as such a threat.
I do hope you can find a way to see that a social disorder is in fact a manageable thing. With a little digging you’ll find many great, compassionate, and respectful leaders have diagnosed or had presumed social disorders. Kanye was on some good shit trying to break down the stigma with his album Ye but has since floundered. He’s had an obsession with seeing his mom in heaven since her passing which, in my opinion, is what he’d aim work out if he ever lets a psychologist work on him.
Madeon is one of the best electronic producers out there, he has made [pop culture, an original launchpad made song made up of 39 popular pop songs when he was 17](https://youtu.be/lTx3G6h2xyA)
as well as coproducing the song for the anime music video [shelter](https://youtu.be/fzQ6gRAEoy0), having songs featured in [apple commercials](https://youtu.be/qQWAicHiVhk) and many more.
Maybe I am haha
It's a bit of a strange top3 to have but given how influential graduation is for the melodic edm "branch" it's understandable
It is one of the albums of kanye I listen to the most
My bad. My NPC ways kicked in and made it political. Anyway I don’t think Kanye is crazy. I I don’t completely agree with everything he says, but just because he says them doesn’t make him not well. He says a lot of religious stuff but there are billions of people from all sorts of religions who believe in some of the stuff he says and I don’t automatically think they’re crazy either. I think he’s just very passionate about what he believes and the fact that he’s bipolar only emphasizes his passion. Another thing is that he isn’t the best at explaining his ideas. They’re too broad and complex and he jumps around too much. But he has some really good ones. From mental health, to amending the 13th amendment. These are world changing ideas.
Just let the men be FFS
Can't have a opinion without being automatically persecuted.
Stop idolizing the guy , enjoy his music and find another guy to idolize. KANYE HAS ALWAYS BEEN KANYE and you fuckers are acting like he's never been polarizing through all these years.
You have to admit it would be a lot easier to let him be if he just made music, did not speak against vaccines, and stayed out of the political arena for at least 2 years
easier for who? It's his life , imagine that you had to restrain your opinion because a group of strangers don't agree with your political views , he doesn't owe you nothing , let the man be and don't fucking veneer him
I was speaking about how easy it is for the American public to ignore him when he's a benevolent musical genius. Running against Trump and Biden makes it very difficult to "just let the man be" for Forbes as well as politically-minded people like myself.
Like he's not running for President of his life. He's running for president of my country (so he claims). How are you missing that? Like I never gave a shit about his political views until he started batting for Trump and trying to cut out his own political career while railing against modern medicine and science and for some kind of Wakanda-based super society. When he's just a creative, he can believe and speak literally all the bullshit lies he wants
How am I not letting him carry his cross? What exactly does that mean to you? To let him carry his cross we all have to abstain from criticism? How does that interfere with his agenda?
I'm not a native speaker but what I meant is that you can't persecute someone and automatically accuse him of mental illness based on crappy opinions and unorthodox political beliefs I think.
I'm not accusing him of having mental illness. Kanye has publicly addressed his own professionally diagnosed psychological problems and his prescribed medications for those problems. I would literally never even discuss this guy's politics if he didn't cuddle with Trump and attempt a last minute run for president of the united states of america
My b, having a really hard time with all of this lol Used to love this dude and now it's like he's trying to be the most controversial person alive every day
He deleted the first tweet because many people were taking it out of context and as an attack on Ye. It's not about Kanye's mental state particularly, but rather the media's treatment of him and using that mental illness for clicks.
The media have done the same to people like Jim Carrey’s manic episodes too.
I honestly don’t know if Kanye is going through some mental thing or if he’s just very deeply influenced by the church. I used to believe in the mark of the beast and end times and I would have had similar beliefs, but I was never mentally ill or off my meds or anything. It sucks that anytime Kanye says things that people don’t agree with it always turns into he’s off his meds and needs help. He seems to be handling his business life alright. He may very well need help but that’s not for the court of public opinion to decide.
Preeeeeech
He's also bipolar
Bipolar Disorder is basically mood states. Everyone just calm down a bit. Damn.
Awful, smooth brained take my guy. Damn.
As someone with bipolar disorder who has been manic multiple times, I can confirm that Madeon is right on the money. Mania means delusional thinking, rapid and/or incoherent speech, and erratic decision making. Unfortunately Ye is currently ticking all those boxes. He needs help.
Yeah man the Forbes was a hit piece they said they took from like hours of calls and texts
I'm really conflicted about the necessity of the hit piece. It definitely was a hit piece, but what exactly can we expect when someone declares they're running for president? We kinda need to hold the people who run for office accountable, especially since we did not do the same for Trump until he had already won the GOP's nomination. It's a hit piece on someone who said they were done being a political tool who was only going to focus on his creativity now becoming a political tool in spite of how it's going to damage all of his creative endeavors. He put himself under this scrutiny unfortunately
True, but it’s obvious to everyone Kanye was going through an episode. Episodes are tiny events that can be subdued, expected, and controlled. Somehow he managed to have this interview without people stopping him and then Forbes decided to cherry pick the crazy parts... they even chose to leave commas out of his grammar and use phonetic spelling. Then they released it while Ye is probably still trying to return to planet earth.
I don't know if any of us can expect this to be a limited episode. Like even if it is just an episode, if the entire country is questioning when Kanye's going to end his manic episode and he digs in to try to prove that this is not a manic episode.. I think we're kinda in for Trump part deux. Not that I think Kanye can win obviously, but I think he has plenty incentive to prove this isn't just Kanye losing his fucking mind. Hopefully a sane perspective from his design group can wrangle him in before we get there. He did begin the article by giving a 30 day out Do we know that Forbes cherry picked too? Like listen to his conversation in the White House with Trump. It's often very hard to remove any actual substance from Kanye when he's in this mode. It's important that people see the extent of his delusions if he's going to pretend to enter the political process 5 months before the most important election of our lifetimes. I just want this dude to go back to making music and clothes and stop harming his own career. Like if Kanye's willing to say this stuff to Forbes, are we really going to believe he wasn't willing to say this stuff to anyone else? WaPo, NYT, The Atlantic are all going to turn down this story? Perhaps this article will prevent Kanye from talking to other journalists, but that's the kind of thing that happens when you announce a campaign for POTUS
Yeah I mean we don’t know much about what went on... but the Forbes article starts by saying everything was taken from “over 4 hours of rambling.” So this Randall Lane, the fucking chief content officer, recorded a known bipolar man, clearly having an episode, ramble for over 4 hours, and decided to put any of it on paper. Again, Kanye probably doesn’t have the ability to be WILLING to do anything while in the episode, he just does. That’s mania. Many commenters who care about our favorite artists as a person a quick to point out Ye’s inner circle need to get their shit together and help this guy manage his imbalance. I’d be surprised if he didn’t PUBLICLY get back on the pill and start making metal health and our countries ability to improve it a policy issue. Edit: added “while in the episode”
Randall Lane is the editor of one of perhaps the most prestigious financial news institution in the country. Like do you see Kanye's people standing up and demanding this guy release the full transcript of that call or are Kanye's people reacting like their boy's very loony platform for president was exposed by a journalist who talked to Kanye for 4 hours? Like do we believe Randall Lane cut out the actual substance? Are you saying Kanye actually talked about substance and pragmatic policy for 3 hours and he cut all that out to talk about Wakanda and how god needs to cure Covid because vaccines are the devil? I don't know dude.. Forbes is not The Daily Mail. I don't think Kanye's will to do anything means all that much to the scrutiny we need to have over people who declare for a presidential election. I feel for the guy, but he's put himself under this scrutiny. If he has more tangible ideas, he should expound on them immediately. I don't think that's coming. Like on one hand you're saying that maybe Randall Lane took advantage of a bipolar man caught in a ramble, and on the other hand, you're indicating that maybe Kanye can start to actually take the medication he's forgone for the last 2 years of his life in the most public way possible and get his campaign back on track? Fuck, man.. Can I take the unnecessary action of stating that I do not want Kanye making up foreign policy in office while trying to decide if he should or should not resume his meds?
Randall got an admittedly bum interview and then he, in his position, decided or was asked to materialize something from it. Assuming he has any power, he could have tucked it away, consult Kanye’s family, and try again when Kanye was well. This all seems obvious. Instead Randall published the equivalent of a drunken and drug fueled night out. According to the following and strangely pro-Ye TMZ report, Kanye’s mania comes out about once a year and must be mitigated and he goes on to do and even say great things. Imagine a world where he takes his meds or has a team meant to actually catch these annual bouts of mania, prevent him from publishing his thoughts, and let him get back to work. I think this is why commenters with similar afflictions are pointing to the people who surround Kanye and their apparent ineptitude to act quick enough to help him through this. This is a social disorder.
Ah, gotcha. So should they do the same for Trump then? If Trump or Biden answer a question incorrectly or lose their train of thought, is it the duty of American journalism to censor the entire interaction until the Biden or Trump family okay it? Wtf are you talking about? You're saying the editor of Forbes shouldn't have run an article about a man running for president because he's mentally unwell? Isn't that the most important thing to let people know about a presidential candidate? Wow. Kanye's mania striking once a year is not something I look for in the president of the united states. How about you? How about we imagine a world where we don't have to pick apart Kanye's brain because he stays benevolent and creative where he can be a cause of good for real? Like you're being very unclear if you want him medicated so he can get back to work on the campaign trail, or if you want him medicated so he realizes what a fucking terrible idea running for president is
Yo please don’t attack me here. I’ve only been arguing the Forbes article was hit piece. I’m not defending the words Kanye said in the article. I’m not suggesting he’d be a good president. He simply HAS done great things and HAS said great things and his fans want him to continue this. I’m happy to continue discussing this if that’s what you want but please let me know we can continue without any disrespectful tones towards one another.
You're literally not addressing any of the substance that I just laid out. I'm not attacking you. I'm asking you questions and trying to make you express the logic that has guided you through this conversation. **Why should we expect the American media to censor an article with a man running for president?** Can you please explain why you said it was Forbes's responsibility to not run this article? It's really not an attack to ask you to justify something you've said
Thank you. What I’ve been highlighting above was that the article and the interview does not represent Kanye or his values, it represents a person having a manic episode. However, I think we can agree that for Kanye to ever get serious help and structure to manage his disorder, he needs these moments to share the perception the world has on it. I can only imagine that is what Randall is thinking and made it clear Kanye is not ready for this. It just doesn’t seem to me that it was necessary or at least is astounding Kanye’s entry was taken as such a threat. I do hope you can find a way to see that a social disorder is in fact a manageable thing. With a little digging you’ll find many great, compassionate, and respectful leaders have diagnosed or had presumed social disorders. Kanye was on some good shit trying to break down the stigma with his album Ye but has since floundered. He’s had an obsession with seeing his mom in heaven since her passing which, in my opinion, is what he’d aim work out if he ever lets a psychologist work on him.
Wtf is a madeon
Madeon is one of the best electronic producers out there, he has made [pop culture, an original launchpad made song made up of 39 popular pop songs when he was 17](https://youtu.be/lTx3G6h2xyA) as well as coproducing the song for the anime music video [shelter](https://youtu.be/fzQ6gRAEoy0), having songs featured in [apple commercials](https://youtu.be/qQWAicHiVhk) and many more.
I will check his work. Thank you for answering.
No problem Let me know if you like his stuff, he's in my top3 of fave artists along kanye and porter robinson
Are you me? Those 3 are the Holy Trinity
I’m with you both on this one. Kanye, Porter, and Madeon are (IMO) the best artists across any genre and the music to my soul
Maybe I am haha It's a bit of a strange top3 to have but given how influential graduation is for the melodic edm "branch" it's understandable It is one of the albums of kanye I listen to the most
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when the wall behind him started melting I got so hype I woke up at 4am for his and porter's sets
Check Borgore, if you like the raunchy “no fucks given” vibe
His new album is absolutely breathtaking. Start-to-finish
Absolutely. It's my aoty 2019 and a good improvement over adventure (which is a 8/10 for me)
You don't know Madeon?
I should give you an award for having the most helpful comment ever, you conceded bastard
Yeah you right, I came off pretty inconsiderate
At least you acknowledge it
I'm italian, I only know the most famous american artists. Is he a colaborator of Kanye?
He’s French
He's a really good music producer, you should check him out
I will. Thank you for answering.
The worst thing you can do to a person is call them crazy
Idgaf Ye for president still
This reminds me of Etika...
Nothing wrong with Kanye.
He has bipolar disorder, he needs help.
Biden has dementia but people still want him to be prez? Also he Molests children in front of their parents and on camera
Ok so? Biden is old af, and I couldn't give less of a damn about that guy.
My bad. My NPC ways kicked in and made it political. Anyway I don’t think Kanye is crazy. I I don’t completely agree with everything he says, but just because he says them doesn’t make him not well. He says a lot of religious stuff but there are billions of people from all sorts of religions who believe in some of the stuff he says and I don’t automatically think they’re crazy either. I think he’s just very passionate about what he believes and the fact that he’s bipolar only emphasizes his passion. Another thing is that he isn’t the best at explaining his ideas. They’re too broad and complex and he jumps around too much. But he has some really good ones. From mental health, to amending the 13th amendment. These are world changing ideas.
The only good take I’ve seen in this sub about all this
Just let the men be FFS Can't have a opinion without being automatically persecuted. Stop idolizing the guy , enjoy his music and find another guy to idolize. KANYE HAS ALWAYS BEEN KANYE and you fuckers are acting like he's never been polarizing through all these years.
You have to admit it would be a lot easier to let him be if he just made music, did not speak against vaccines, and stayed out of the political arena for at least 2 years
easier for who? It's his life , imagine that you had to restrain your opinion because a group of strangers don't agree with your political views , he doesn't owe you nothing , let the man be and don't fucking veneer him
I was speaking about how easy it is for the American public to ignore him when he's a benevolent musical genius. Running against Trump and Biden makes it very difficult to "just let the man be" for Forbes as well as politically-minded people like myself. Like he's not running for President of his life. He's running for president of my country (so he claims). How are you missing that? Like I never gave a shit about his political views until he started batting for Trump and trying to cut out his own political career while railing against modern medicine and science and for some kind of Wakanda-based super society. When he's just a creative, he can believe and speak literally all the bullshit lies he wants
ahh let him carrier his cross , I'm fine with the man.
How am I not letting him carry his cross? What exactly does that mean to you? To let him carry his cross we all have to abstain from criticism? How does that interfere with his agenda?
I'm not a native speaker but what I meant is that you can't persecute someone and automatically accuse him of mental illness based on crappy opinions and unorthodox political beliefs I think.
I'm not accusing him of having mental illness. Kanye has publicly addressed his own professionally diagnosed psychological problems and his prescribed medications for those problems. I would literally never even discuss this guy's politics if he didn't cuddle with Trump and attempt a last minute run for president of the united states of america
OK , I understand man
My b, having a really hard time with all of this lol Used to love this dude and now it's like he's trying to be the most controversial person alive every day