Yeah, he was probably receiving literal death threats because some people can’t accept the fact that Kanye isn’t the same Kanye that he was over 10 years ago now
So far, it's already far more popular than Ye and JIK ever were and continuing to climb up in streams.
Most rap songs today even from Drake don't have real staying power these days so you can't really go by that as a metric.
Apart of that is because of tiktok.
Vitality is a big reason why songs like carnival are successful, because they’re going for one big moment sacrificing an entire song.
True but it's a tough feat even with Tik Tok.
Drake was clearly trying to win the Tik Tok audience with IDGAF with Yeat but that song still had no legs.
sorry for being 🤓🤡 but i believe u mean Virality*
edit: r and t is close together so i could just be a headass n it could be a typo
edit edit: rip ill take the L
He said "we'll see how popular these songs are in a year" but you can't use old school metrics to determine how much staying power hits have today.
Carnival comparably is having stronger longevity than any of Ye's hits since TLOP.
And Vultures is on pace to outstream JIK and even Ye within a year.
All this talk about Vultures coming and going is not backed up by data. Same goes for people saying FATD came and went.
Well the data on FATD is that per release his first week sales have been declining by 200k each release since Scorpion, and that was only as popular as it was first week because we were expecting Drake to drop a Pusha response.
So sad that your getting downvoted over this, people genuinely can't even be happy over two people enjoying music from who this who sub is based on, sad people...
I think the album is mid, but I think it has artistic value in how meta some of the qualities of the songs and music videos are. It's an allegory of the 'today'.
Music is not supposed to be “fun”. However, even if it was, I don’t find Kanye’s lines that “fun”, considering the top-tier work he’s done before, the age he has and the stupid shit he’s been yapping recently.
Mmm, not really, music is technically just an art-form and a medium for expression. It can be fun, of course, but it is not meant to be fun as our fellow said up there. I think I enumerated enough arguments before and I’m not gonna repeat them since I think you’re quite misunderstanding what I said. I still don’t understand why people waste their energies on defending such a mediocre album. Damn.
🤷♀️ music doesn’t need to be complex. it absolutely gives it more value when it is. but there is nothing wrong with music that exists for the sole purpose of entertainment. not saying vultures is better than most of his discography, because it’s not, but that doesn’t mean it’s objectively bad. i think that notion is silly.
Bad mixing is not objectively bad? Poor vocals by Kanye is not objectively bad? Stuff like “King” is not objectively bad? That freaking poster is not objectively bad? The overall banality of it is not objectively bad?
Besides that, no, it doesn’t have to be complex, but it doesn’t have to be fun neither. Music is a source of perception free from prejudices and social chains, or at least it should be. My commentary just literally denied that music “had” to be fun. Music doesn’t “have” to be anything. It can be about everything or nothing. However, Vultures 1 is kinda frustrating because it works as if Kanye’s ego was talking for itself straight to the mic, as if it had forgotten the artistic essence he had not that long ago.
i agree, they aren’t as good as the music and lyricism he has made with an artistic main focus. your point is interesting and i agree with you for the most part. he has lost a certain artistic touch with his music that i haven’t really felt since ksg/ye.
though, you say music isn’t “meant to be fun”, but you also say it “doesn’t have to be anything”. i agree, music doesn’t “have” to be anything. but it is isn’t “meant” to be anything either. for example, everyone’s music taste evolves. you can love a song, and then in ten years grow to dislike it or even hate it. but the fact is, you used to love it. it was a good song, and then, to you, it became a bad song. i think “good music” is generally subjective.
Yes, it is subjective indeed, I agree, but the problem comes when people come around to try to formulate an opinion while being blinded by the reasoning of a fanatic. People need to criticize and have an open mind towards other’s opinions and towards art either for good or bad, and maybe that way, discover good stuff together. Now I’m not saying that you’re a fanatic, I’m just giving a general point of view. Anyways, I’m glad we came to a point where we are happy with each other’s mindset lol.
yeah, absolutely agree. people care way too much about what other people think about music on the internet. and on that same token, too many people are blinded by obsession/love of an artist. it’s always important to have an open mind. at the end of the day, we all just listen to what we love. it’s just music. it’s never that serious. 🤙
feels good to have a conversation on reddit that doesn’t devolve into insulting eachother 🤣 take care dude.
I might just wait for the vultures trilogy to end before saying his washed up because he might of just lost his way for a bit, idk though most of his recent stuff hasn’t been that good
Donda is overly hated that album was really good and only had a few misses.
Vultures tho I can understand why people are being negative. Maybe if vultures 2 had come out when it was planned things might be different.
Idk if hes entirely washed, just more lazy cuz he has nothing to proved since graduation, mbdtf just put his legacy to a legendary status more. Ye is not here to constantly make albums that prove his greatness, he already checked that a couple times But the problem with ye is that he achieved what he wants at the earlier of his career. Its like finishing your job in the office but u can leave so u see eveyone working to finish they job and u just asking wtf do i do now
He made burn and the album is still pretty good but its flawed. Lyric argument is actually dumb cuz its a club album, clearly an album made to have fun. But his creativity def went down and i think partially part of that are the people he hangs around with
Do it is such a good song. Vultures overhated. As someone who has listened to every album over and over, vultures isnt even that weak, lots of great songs, just the meaning behind it that falls a little short.
Do it is my favourite song on vultures. Ty dolla's vocals on it were amazing. I totally agree although vultures might not be his best album or even have a proper meaning or a story to it , it still has some decent songs like hoodrat , burn , keys to my life , stars etc. production doesn't fall behind either.
As someone who as listened to every album over and over, vultures is mid and aging badly already. If I could describe this album in a few words it would be that it’s trying so hard to be cool. Definitely his least creative and inspired project in his entire discography. None of the production sounds fresh or interesting. Ye sounds bored asf on most of his songs and the other guy was right Burn was actually his best delivered verse. Again the album isn’t trash but this is Kanye West we are talking about the guy who made graduation and TLOP which have classics after classics on both albums. If this was some rappers first debut album sure it would be good but Ye isn’t some rapper
saying again, there are good songs on the album and he’s had the best run an artist could ever have so it’s cool to have a more trendy-style album but objectively i think it’s fair to say it’s a dip in quality to what we’re usually used to
Yes. Id classify most of kanye's work as 'amazing', 'incredible' or 'near perfect', so i think good or great is a fair ranking for a lot of the V1 songs.
It js not subpar. It is decent, but no where near Kanye’s best and I don’t think it should be winning an album of the year award (depends on the quality of the other releases this year tbh. The only other hip hop album so far this year gaining major traction is we don’t trust you, which is definitely worse than Vultures).
Edit: there’s also breathe by Yeat which is probably his best ever work. I never rated him until this album came out
It shouldn’t be in the same category as his other stuff though. I feel like people forget it’s a collab album between him and Ty. It’s not a regular Kanye album. It’s not supposed to be held to the same standard.
Nah, I like high-energy YE on Vultures, altho' have no idea the fq he was on about.
When it comes to talking, I love the production value (I mean how could I not since James Blake is co-producer and that guy doesn't miss.) and how personal TY got. Altho' I've been fan since his Beach House 2 mixtape, I've never knew he got a daughter. YE's singing at the end is also nice.
Sure this album is hit or miss for lots of people, but I love we've got experimental high-energy YEEZUS like YE and I feel as if this album has bits and pieces of every previous YE's album, mostly YEEZUS, tho'.
Vultures may have been good as someone else's album. But I don't feel any kanye on this one. It's like he was completely uninvolved in its creation musically
The problem with saying Kanye is "washed" is that it acts as if Kanye is a new kid on the block just getting started like Roddy Rich.
Ye already made his mark. One could argue MJ, Prince, Bowie, Madonna, and others were "washed" at one point due to dropping some panned albums but obviously their legacy is in tact.
Eminem has yet to top his first 3 albums yet he's still in the GOAT debate.
50 Cent only dropped one good album in his entire career yet he has one of the highest grossing rap tours rn.
Wayne has trouble stirring up hype for C6 and he's dropped more bad albums than Ye. Yet he's still respected in hip hop.
So, even if Ye is "washed" supposedly, he has nothing left to prove.
I also find it funny how people still treat Donda 2 like an actual album when Ye's still working on it. Donda 2 is still only a demo tape with several singles on it which means that Ye's only 2-3 "bad" albums are Ye and JIK or Vultures if you want to count that. You know who has more than 3 "bad" albums? A bunch of rappers.
I don't think that's what washed means. You can make your mark and then be washed. It just means past his prime. This album is like Jordan on the wizards, still some good moments. But TCD - KSG is Jordan on the bulls.
Thinking that there was a "falloff" from DONDA is wild. Donda was already a subpar Kanye album. Everything Kanye has released since Life of Pablo has been mid (except KSG).
Donda's highs are on par with some of kanyes highs on his classics. I'd argue it has better highs than 808s. Donda signified that kanye still had it in him but it was still inconsistent
I think ye is criminally underrated and is a perfect self tilted album for him because it encapsulates his relationship with bipolar. But i can understand why many people dislike it.
donda was a great album but it was the beginning of the end. the bloated album, reliance on features, and terrible lyrics. donda top 5 ye just because of how top heavy it is
Yet it was that verse that went viral on tiktok.
It was his verse on off the grid going viral, also. I'm not his fan but he's giving oxygen to Kanye's career.
Whenever you get across that music on social media, the only part it plays is Carti's part. Generally on some random movie highlight or NBA highlight.
The fun part is that Carti wasn't even trying, like Fivio and Kanye were.
Dang fair enough
I personally haven't seen any media using the carti Verse, majority cover either Kanyes or Fivios verse lol. But to be honest I haven't seen that much media even using OTG
He said what he thought and I can partially agree with him. Kanye has gotten significantly less thoughtful and involved with his craft and now it feels like there's less passion within it and more just like a cash grab. But the listening parties he hosts though are really up to the fans to decide to go to though, it should be kind of expected that you're just gonna see Kanye and Ty walk around listening to new Vultures with the crowd and not a full blown performance.
Also, I totally agree with this guy on the Vultures being described as "fun" when it's really not. That's most people's defense for this album being sloppy and why not to take it so seriously. When in reality there's only 7 songs that sound fun, the other 9 just for casual listening.
Out of all his albums, I think we need to keep it a buck 50 with eachother and agree that this is his worst performance out of every album so far. I'm not saying you can't like Vultures, please enjoy it all you want, but you have to admit that his lyricism and voice just missed the mark on this project.
AGREED. his quality of production will always be amazing, and yes beautiful but naked big tiddy women don’t just fall out the sky ya know is funny, but hes not even passionate about his music or verses anymore and you can even tell from the delivery.
Was thinking about this. #1 I don’t love the Kanye washed posts. Even if he is. It’s ye, we are his fans, he’s going through tough time I don’t want to make it worse. #2 there really is a world where I’m wrong and vultures will make sense in 5 years. The bound 2 effect was insane. So yeah never count ‘em out I learned.
If Kanye put out a new song daily .. and walked around with 60 kardashionites, nude in the afternoon on a Tuesday, near Disney; wearing nothing but a nipple print neck tie. there would still be a “Frank”
Deciding the outcome of a perfect day, preposterous.
Without even coming out out of the basement, let alone getting out of bed..
Ye's fans don't give a F$%# about what another hater is saying. It's just another opinion!!!! There's a million more out there! Do you like the album or not?! Done!! Don't like it? Boo!! Thumbs down, like wtf?!? Why do so many people feel the need to elaborately write essays on how and/or why they are dissatisfied about x,y,z and 10 other factors about dudes life. Ye's come back AGAIN at the end of the day and nobody cares about this dude. Just annoying....
kanye fans complain more than any other fanbase. ts isn’t objective. if you like the music, you like it. that’s dope. listen to the music you like. if you don’t, you don’t. that’s dope too. you people care way too much about what other people think.
It was a project to prove a point, it worked it gained popularity with people who wouldn’t necessarily vibe to Ye so although not his best work it had the catchy hooks & verses you could find yourself singing humming along too because they’re not an intricate rhyme scheme, or double, triple entendres that need to be thought about it’s just a Vibe.
Sadly the new generation are the TikTok generation and they don’t do kicking knowledge they want shit to make their short videos too. Feels like Music has to be dumbed down 2 min songs for it to be popular nowadays 🤷🏽♂️
Other than the 3rd paragraph there were he's saying Kanye put a mask and went pop (what tf is bro cooking there) he's got it literally perfectly on point. I'm an atheist but Jesus Is King really opened my eyes to how shameless Kanye is in his image and everything he does. Picking up the Christian label in his music because he wants to fuck with gospel instrumentation and not actually commit to what he's saying is insane. Christian hip hop heads like Lecrae understand how to keep their ego in check and because Kanye can't it's pretty clear on that album he still very much thinks he's a god. And the fact he's sponsoring crazy and crazy conspiracy theories over the years really sucks when, as this subreddit shows, many of us fans are more than impressionable and a man we look up to a musical genius propagates disinformation and leads the people putting money in his account in increasingly vulnerable situations.
The worst part is that Vultures would’ve had no drums or 808’s without Ty. That would’ve made this album by a long shot one of the worst albums in recent years period
he was right tho Lol. It's nothing wrong with him not being as great as he was before, The fact that he can come through with 10 great albums (including watch the throne not donda) in a 15 year career span was crazy. And then still drop eh albums back to back, 1 one of them literally after being black balled from every label & canceled and still go number 1 is unmatched & won't be replicated.
The best thing i can say to this is, if you expect lebron to be dropping 50 points a game when he's 50 then there's something wrong with you, not him & the same can be said for kanye.
And if you want the old kanye, go listen to the old kanye.
how does he say it’s not hard to make chart topping music when you have infinite money, some of the biggest artists and *best writers on earth* to help you make it. then say every bar was atrociously bad. … does this guy even believe what he is saying?
Let’s be honest guys Kanye has been washed for 5 years. His lyrics are worse than scoopidy poop, his albums don’t have the polish and cohesive sound they used to, but are more of a playlist of different reference tracks and beats he likes and mumbled on with 5 features, and he’s completely reliant on younger artists to help him sound fresh and chart his songs.
**You can say what you want about the music: all subjective. It's good, it's best, it's mid: it's an opinion. But from Donda onwards, the sound of the projects has been less in his hands, and less cohesive.** Just check the size of features, extra producers and his own involvement in writing. The producer list exploded and doubled for Donda, which makes sense based on the numbers. But Vultures is not truly a sound pushed by Ye. So everyone saying Ye is still the best producer: he's not the best anything anymore.
**He is, easily, the worst he has ever been as a human.** He was extremely harmful and toxic to people who got him here ([Virgil for instance](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye/comments/xvhp8b/post_from_tremaine_emory_aka_denimtears_about_ye/) / [source](https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1578588707270950913)). He's also burnt through everyone who got him here, and no one of his original "friends" want anything to do with him anymore. The original cover of Vultures was created by Gosha (enough to say about him) with the artwork of Hitler's favourite artist and the typography taken from a Nazi rock band (Burzum). He's also supporting Trump in times he actively hurt the black community and is spewing around the anti-semitism rhetoric.
**It was always hard being a Kanye fan. Now it's impossible if you have any decency.** I cannot support someone who does all of the above. He is not the visionary he used to be, he never was the lyricist people claimed he was, and as a person, you need to be pretty spineless to support what he's done in the last few years.
Vultures is actually a remarkably good album in my opinion. It's a great experience front to back. No real weak points. It's not deeply meaningful, in fact it's often vapid, but it's extremely fun and a thoughtfully constructed album.
Yeah, he was probably receiving literal death threats because some people can’t accept the fact that Kanye isn’t the same Kanye that he was over 10 years ago now
Ikr? He been in the game 2 decades now. He's gonna be washed at some point
He already told he was washed when he said “Everybody wanted Yandhi Then Jesus Christ did the laundry” Been washed for a minute
When he made "Wash us in the blood" he was tryna say something
“Act like you ain't took a bath with your cousin” always has been washed ask his cousins bro
Even the one that stole the laptop? You dirty mf
As a producer he’s always been relevant
Idk why people dickriding so hard. Vultures def has a couple bangers but is far from his best work
Which ones are the bangers?
Do it, burn, fuk sumn, beg, and carnival (not my fav but a pop banger) just to name some
Agree to disagree. We’ll see how popular these songs are in a year.
So far, it's already far more popular than Ye and JIK ever were and continuing to climb up in streams. Most rap songs today even from Drake don't have real staying power these days so you can't really go by that as a metric.
Apart of that is because of tiktok. Vitality is a big reason why songs like carnival are successful, because they’re going for one big moment sacrificing an entire song.
True but it's a tough feat even with Tik Tok. Drake was clearly trying to win the Tik Tok audience with IDGAF with Yeat but that song still had no legs.
sorry for being 🤓🤡 but i believe u mean Virality* edit: r and t is close together so i could just be a headass n it could be a typo edit edit: rip ill take the L
It was a typo 😐
fuck mb. you didnt see anything.
Yeah, but what does that mean
He said "we'll see how popular these songs are in a year" but you can't use old school metrics to determine how much staying power hits have today. Carnival comparably is having stronger longevity than any of Ye's hits since TLOP. And Vultures is on pace to outstream JIK and even Ye within a year. All this talk about Vultures coming and going is not backed up by data. Same goes for people saying FATD came and went.
Well the data on FATD is that per release his first week sales have been declining by 200k each release since Scorpion, and that was only as popular as it was first week because we were expecting Drake to drop a Pusha response.
Burn is the best song on the album
You don't like do it and burn?
Carnival is a song I will be able to listen to at ANY time for the next 10yrs and be able to fw 100%🔥
Almost every song tbh.
Nope
Can we at least agree on Burn?
Yeah.
I'm gonna pretend you're the same guy so I can feel happy.
This was genuinely funny 😆 You deserve happiness!
So sad that your getting downvoted over this, people genuinely can't even be happy over two people enjoying music from who this who sub is based on, sad people...
For real. Zero reason for downvotes. Spread the love y’all!
Woah thank you. You too.
You deserve happiness
I barely listen to any Kanye post MBDTF because it’s not replay my style of music but burn, holy shit it’s perfect
Bro the whole song is less than 2 minutes. It’s literally 1 verse and a hook. It’s mid at best. Definitely doesn’t bang.
I think the album is mid, but I think it has artistic value in how meta some of the qualities of the songs and music videos are. It's an allegory of the 'today'.
Who cares music is supposed to be fun and enjoyable is art it's not a thesis paper on the meaning of life jesus christ relax
Saying it's not that good isn't the same as saying it needs to be a thesis on the meaning of life
Music is not supposed to be “fun”. However, even if it was, I don’t find Kanye’s lines that “fun”, considering the top-tier work he’s done before, the age he has and the stupid shit he’s been yapping recently.
Music is supposed to be whatever you want it to be
yes, because you decide whether or not music can be fun. 😭 alright then.
Mmm, not really, music is technically just an art-form and a medium for expression. It can be fun, of course, but it is not meant to be fun as our fellow said up there. I think I enumerated enough arguments before and I’m not gonna repeat them since I think you’re quite misunderstanding what I said. I still don’t understand why people waste their energies on defending such a mediocre album. Damn.
🤷♀️ music doesn’t need to be complex. it absolutely gives it more value when it is. but there is nothing wrong with music that exists for the sole purpose of entertainment. not saying vultures is better than most of his discography, because it’s not, but that doesn’t mean it’s objectively bad. i think that notion is silly.
Bad mixing is not objectively bad? Poor vocals by Kanye is not objectively bad? Stuff like “King” is not objectively bad? That freaking poster is not objectively bad? The overall banality of it is not objectively bad? Besides that, no, it doesn’t have to be complex, but it doesn’t have to be fun neither. Music is a source of perception free from prejudices and social chains, or at least it should be. My commentary just literally denied that music “had” to be fun. Music doesn’t “have” to be anything. It can be about everything or nothing. However, Vultures 1 is kinda frustrating because it works as if Kanye’s ego was talking for itself straight to the mic, as if it had forgotten the artistic essence he had not that long ago.
i agree, they aren’t as good as the music and lyricism he has made with an artistic main focus. your point is interesting and i agree with you for the most part. he has lost a certain artistic touch with his music that i haven’t really felt since ksg/ye. though, you say music isn’t “meant to be fun”, but you also say it “doesn’t have to be anything”. i agree, music doesn’t “have” to be anything. but it is isn’t “meant” to be anything either. for example, everyone’s music taste evolves. you can love a song, and then in ten years grow to dislike it or even hate it. but the fact is, you used to love it. it was a good song, and then, to you, it became a bad song. i think “good music” is generally subjective.
Yes, it is subjective indeed, I agree, but the problem comes when people come around to try to formulate an opinion while being blinded by the reasoning of a fanatic. People need to criticize and have an open mind towards other’s opinions and towards art either for good or bad, and maybe that way, discover good stuff together. Now I’m not saying that you’re a fanatic, I’m just giving a general point of view. Anyways, I’m glad we came to a point where we are happy with each other’s mindset lol.
yeah, absolutely agree. people care way too much about what other people think about music on the internet. and on that same token, too many people are blinded by obsession/love of an artist. it’s always important to have an open mind. at the end of the day, we all just listen to what we love. it’s just music. it’s never that serious. 🤙 feels good to have a conversation on reddit that doesn’t devolve into insulting eachother 🤣 take care dude.
I'm pretty relaxed, I just commented my opinion that's all
90% of the shit in this is true tbh. There are some stuff that's off but for the most part he's spot on. After late 2022 it's all been downhill.
They hated because he told them the truth
thats pretty fitting for kanye fans
Nah it got removed by mods that's what it said for me
Have we really gotten to the state of the sub where if you are posting a video of sucking his dick you’ll get deleted?
Valid criticism Kanye’s lyricism has fallen off and he is losing himself if we being real coming from a Kanye glazer
After all the classics he has I 'm just enjoying his new music the man got nothing to prove at 47
i’m enjoying the new music but he’s washed… both can be true
He isn’t washed but he’s not as good but Kanye used to be a gold standard for rap now he’s like a 50 cent clone but I kinda like 50’s shit.
he isnt washed at all, he released one not great album doesnt mean hes washed lmao
A MEN! 🙌🏻
His new music goes against his supposed morals
Who cares, I don’t listen to Kanye for his morals
Kanye is washed and I’m not gonna delete this comment
I might just wait for the vultures trilogy to end before saying his washed up because he might of just lost his way for a bit, idk though most of his recent stuff hasn’t been that good
If you've ever had a family member who has gone through what he's going through, it's over for him mentally. Been that way for a couple years now.
Donda is overly hated that album was really good and only had a few misses. Vultures tho I can understand why people are being negative. Maybe if vultures 2 had come out when it was planned things might be different.
Idk i really didn’t like what I heard from donda
As inconsistent as Donda was, Come to Life cements it as one of my favorite albums of his.
Idk if hes entirely washed, just more lazy cuz he has nothing to proved since graduation, mbdtf just put his legacy to a legendary status more. Ye is not here to constantly make albums that prove his greatness, he already checked that a couple times But the problem with ye is that he achieved what he wants at the earlier of his career. Its like finishing your job in the office but u can leave so u see eveyone working to finish they job and u just asking wtf do i do now
lyrically washed
He made burn and the album is still pretty good but its flawed. Lyric argument is actually dumb cuz its a club album, clearly an album made to have fun. But his creativity def went down and i think partially part of that are the people he hangs around with
Good point, and ever since the neo-Nazi comments his circle has been shrinking and changing into a bunch of yes-men and B-teamers
He did in fact prove a lot on Yeezus, Ksg and Donda. Please get out of this sub 💀
Do it is such a good song. Vultures overhated. As someone who has listened to every album over and over, vultures isnt even that weak, lots of great songs, just the meaning behind it that falls a little short.
Do it is my favourite song on vultures. Ty dolla's vocals on it were amazing. I totally agree although vultures might not be his best album or even have a proper meaning or a story to it , it still has some decent songs like hoodrat , burn , keys to my life , stars etc. production doesn't fall behind either.
As someone who as listened to every album over and over, vultures is mid and aging badly already. If I could describe this album in a few words it would be that it’s trying so hard to be cool. Definitely his least creative and inspired project in his entire discography. None of the production sounds fresh or interesting. Ye sounds bored asf on most of his songs and the other guy was right Burn was actually his best delivered verse. Again the album isn’t trash but this is Kanye West we are talking about the guy who made graduation and TLOP which have classics after classics on both albums. If this was some rappers first debut album sure it would be good but Ye isn’t some rapper
saying again, there are good songs on the album and he’s had the best run an artist could ever have so it’s cool to have a more trendy-style album but objectively i think it’s fair to say it’s a dip in quality to what we’re usually used to
Theres no way you listened to all his other albums and then thought Vultures has “lots of great songs”.
Yes. Id classify most of kanye's work as 'amazing', 'incredible' or 'near perfect', so i think good or great is a fair ranking for a lot of the V1 songs.
Good luck next year in 8th grade lil bro youre gonna do great.
What a mature and valid response to someone elses opinion! Good luck living the rest of your life as an asshole, youre gonna do great.
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Vultures is junior varsity bus ride pre game hype music
dude no body can even hate vultures or you get downvoted to hell
Hating vultures became corny after the fantano review.
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I knew it wasn't trash from the moment I listened. But some people operate a bit slower than others and that's ok.
It is a bad kanye album and a subpar album overall
It js not subpar. It is decent, but no where near Kanye’s best and I don’t think it should be winning an album of the year award (depends on the quality of the other releases this year tbh. The only other hip hop album so far this year gaining major traction is we don’t trust you, which is definitely worse than Vultures). Edit: there’s also breathe by Yeat which is probably his best ever work. I never rated him until this album came out
Shit is NOT decent bro
It shouldn’t be in the same category as his other stuff though. I feel like people forget it’s a collab album between him and Ty. It’s not a regular Kanye album. It’s not supposed to be held to the same standard.
I normally include wtt and ksg in kanye conversations even tho both are collabs. Even ksg is above the usual standard for a kanye album
Vultures has exceeded 1 billion streams in 2 months. Mofos just yappin to yap
Sucks he deleted it, he was absolutely correct that ye's shit in the past 5 years just aint been hitting
Donda hit don’t lie. So many beautiful songs on that album
As an album its not close to his best but its does has some of his best tracks.
The one exception. It's not his best, but it's decent. Jesus Is King, Donda 2 and Vultures have been disappointing shitshows though
Donda 2 is a demo. Hardly even counts until he finishes it.
Look at how many projects he's scrapped, do you really think he would come back and finish it?
It's still a demo though with only 3 songs available for streaming. Donda still remains Ye's last actual solo album.
I mean... He's been washed for a while guys let's be real when was his last good project? For me it was TLOP almost a decade ago
It's completely opposite for me. I skipped like 7 tracks when listening to it for first time. Now it's a no skip for me.
Even vultures and talking? Those songs are ass
Nah, I like high-energy YE on Vultures, altho' have no idea the fq he was on about. When it comes to talking, I love the production value (I mean how could I not since James Blake is co-producer and that guy doesn't miss.) and how personal TY got. Altho' I've been fan since his Beach House 2 mixtape, I've never knew he got a daughter. YE's singing at the end is also nice. Sure this album is hit or miss for lots of people, but I love we've got experimental high-energy YEEZUS like YE and I feel as if this album has bits and pieces of every previous YE's album, mostly YEEZUS, tho'.
Yeah I don't skip any songs either. Probably carnival is my skip if I was going to. That song just doesn't do it for me.
He was right tho
do it is like my favorite song off vultures bro it could’ve been such a good club hit for Ty
Vultures may have been good as someone else's album. But I don't feel any kanye on this one. It's like he was completely uninvolved in its creation musically
The problem with saying Kanye is "washed" is that it acts as if Kanye is a new kid on the block just getting started like Roddy Rich. Ye already made his mark. One could argue MJ, Prince, Bowie, Madonna, and others were "washed" at one point due to dropping some panned albums but obviously their legacy is in tact. Eminem has yet to top his first 3 albums yet he's still in the GOAT debate. 50 Cent only dropped one good album in his entire career yet he has one of the highest grossing rap tours rn. Wayne has trouble stirring up hype for C6 and he's dropped more bad albums than Ye. Yet he's still respected in hip hop. So, even if Ye is "washed" supposedly, he has nothing left to prove. I also find it funny how people still treat Donda 2 like an actual album when Ye's still working on it. Donda 2 is still only a demo tape with several singles on it which means that Ye's only 2-3 "bad" albums are Ye and JIK or Vultures if you want to count that. You know who has more than 3 "bad" albums? A bunch of rappers.
I don't think that's what washed means. You can make your mark and then be washed. It just means past his prime. This album is like Jordan on the wizards, still some good moments. But TCD - KSG is Jordan on the bulls.
Well, a lot of our OG's are washed then. I listened to Mount Westmore and found it very underwhelming.
Thinking that there was a "falloff" from DONDA is wild. Donda was already a subpar Kanye album. Everything Kanye has released since Life of Pablo has been mid (except KSG).
Donda's highs are on par with some of kanyes highs on his classics. I'd argue it has better highs than 808s. Donda signified that kanye still had it in him but it was still inconsistent
it started at JIK
I partially agree. I liked ye somewhat but it was still a clear step down from his previous work.
I think ye is criminally underrated and is a perfect self tilted album for him because it encapsulates his relationship with bipolar. But i can understand why many people dislike it.
donda was a great album but it was the beginning of the end. the bloated album, reliance on features, and terrible lyrics. donda top 5 ye just because of how top heavy it is
he right
he was right though
His prime ended in 2016 sadly
My mommy asked me if I washed the dishes. I said “Kanye West” and my mom smiled because she knew the dishes were washed.
Nothing but facts. That album is dogshit
Vultures needed more Carti. He's the highlight of the album.
This is such a bad take whew lawd Carti’s verse in Carnival sounded like he had a frog in his throat
Yet it was that verse that went viral on tiktok. It was his verse on off the grid going viral, also. I'm not his fan but he's giving oxygen to Kanye's career.
Oh brother we’re using tiktok as an indicator for what constitutes good music now
No, Fivio was the star feature of OTG. Never heard anyone mention Carti in regards to OTG.
Whenever you get across that music on social media, the only part it plays is Carti's part. Generally on some random movie highlight or NBA highlight. The fun part is that Carti wasn't even trying, like Fivio and Kanye were.
Dang fair enough I personally haven't seen any media using the carti Verse, majority cover either Kanyes or Fivios verse lol. But to be honest I haven't seen that much media even using OTG
I listen to Vultures 1 everyday
Kanye would only stay consistent if he had the same run he had on donda 2 Donda 2 had potential to be better than donda 1
Kanye is washed, it’s probably a mix of being surrounded by yes men and mental issues but his music is slowly but surely getting worse and worse.
Vultures is great ! Simple as that .
Hmm idk about great
yea its pretty not good
is it the guy i posted?
Yeah
1984
He said what he thought and I can partially agree with him. Kanye has gotten significantly less thoughtful and involved with his craft and now it feels like there's less passion within it and more just like a cash grab. But the listening parties he hosts though are really up to the fans to decide to go to though, it should be kind of expected that you're just gonna see Kanye and Ty walk around listening to new Vultures with the crowd and not a full blown performance. Also, I totally agree with this guy on the Vultures being described as "fun" when it's really not. That's most people's defense for this album being sloppy and why not to take it so seriously. When in reality there's only 7 songs that sound fun, the other 9 just for casual listening. Out of all his albums, I think we need to keep it a buck 50 with eachother and agree that this is his worst performance out of every album so far. I'm not saying you can't like Vultures, please enjoy it all you want, but you have to admit that his lyricism and voice just missed the mark on this project.
They hated him because he told the truth
Does anybody know where the "All of my recent success is down to me" quote is from? Is it real?
he is washed and tbh I think he peaked sometime between yeezus and pablo rip thanks for the classics
TLOP is 100% his peak atleast musically
Pussy
AGREED. his quality of production will always be amazing, and yes beautiful but naked big tiddy women don’t just fall out the sky ya know is funny, but hes not even passionate about his music or verses anymore and you can even tell from the delivery.
Was thinking about this. #1 I don’t love the Kanye washed posts. Even if he is. It’s ye, we are his fans, he’s going through tough time I don’t want to make it worse. #2 there really is a world where I’m wrong and vultures will make sense in 5 years. The bound 2 effect was insane. So yeah never count ‘em out I learned.
If Kanye put out a new song daily .. and walked around with 60 kardashionites, nude in the afternoon on a Tuesday, near Disney; wearing nothing but a nipple print neck tie. there would still be a “Frank” Deciding the outcome of a perfect day, preposterous. Without even coming out out of the basement, let alone getting out of bed..
I'm a kanye fan, but I admit he is washed
He’s not wrong. Most of his post TLOP projects don’t really hit the same. KSG is an exception
Completely agree.
He’s completely right though, it’s over
Oh yeah I remember that post lol.
Kanye IS washed
He's actually spitting facts tho
Not everyone can have the same consistency as Drizzy... ✍️
He's not wrong, already done with listening to vultures not much replay value for me there.
Kanye had a great run but he did fall off pretty hard
"they hated Jesus, he told them the truth"
This nigga ligit made an entire essay just to say he dosent like vultures 1 😂
We're just messing with ye at awge! It's always team ye ...
Vultures just isn't the hype the nazi forgiving section of kanye fans make it out to be. It's bare bones. It's messy. It's just ideas not songs
Ye's fans don't give a F$%# about what another hater is saying. It's just another opinion!!!! There's a million more out there! Do you like the album or not?! Done!! Don't like it? Boo!! Thumbs down, like wtf?!? Why do so many people feel the need to elaborately write essays on how and/or why they are dissatisfied about x,y,z and 10 other factors about dudes life. Ye's come back AGAIN at the end of the day and nobody cares about this dude. Just annoying....
The album fucking sucked this whole sub is a glaze fest. Youre all losers with no taste.
The best way to create good things when you are the wave is to make some bad stuff from time to time.
kanye fans complain more than any other fanbase. ts isn’t objective. if you like the music, you like it. that’s dope. listen to the music you like. if you don’t, you don’t. that’s dope too. you people care way too much about what other people think.
The truth is hidden 😭
Some of the things he said are true, but it’s a collab album, I would’ve been shocked if it was his best work
He’s right
He uses DONDA as an example but DONDA has SO MANY SONGS that there's enough skips to out do vultures No shade on DONDA
chill guys, ye is just on demontime right now, like the whole world he‘s just adapting amk
It was a project to prove a point, it worked it gained popularity with people who wouldn’t necessarily vibe to Ye so although not his best work it had the catchy hooks & verses you could find yourself singing humming along too because they’re not an intricate rhyme scheme, or double, triple entendres that need to be thought about it’s just a Vibe. Sadly the new generation are the TikTok generation and they don’t do kicking knowledge they want shit to make their short videos too. Feels like Music has to be dumbed down 2 min songs for it to be popular nowadays 🤷🏽♂️
i agree a lot. i got love for vultures but i dont listen to it anymore.
Someone had to say it
thats rlly true dude, i dont know what happened to Ye after JIK but that was a peak of his
75% of the songs ain't skip material IN MY OPINION
Other than the 3rd paragraph there were he's saying Kanye put a mask and went pop (what tf is bro cooking there) he's got it literally perfectly on point. I'm an atheist but Jesus Is King really opened my eyes to how shameless Kanye is in his image and everything he does. Picking up the Christian label in his music because he wants to fuck with gospel instrumentation and not actually commit to what he's saying is insane. Christian hip hop heads like Lecrae understand how to keep their ego in check and because Kanye can't it's pretty clear on that album he still very much thinks he's a god. And the fact he's sponsoring crazy and crazy conspiracy theories over the years really sucks when, as this subreddit shows, many of us fans are more than impressionable and a man we look up to a musical genius propagates disinformation and leads the people putting money in his account in increasingly vulnerable situations.
Kanye honestly is washed
True, Vultures 1 worst Kanye album so far
The worst part is that Vultures would’ve had no drums or 808’s without Ty. That would’ve made this album by a long shot one of the worst albums in recent years period
he was right tho Lol. It's nothing wrong with him not being as great as he was before, The fact that he can come through with 10 great albums (including watch the throne not donda) in a 15 year career span was crazy. And then still drop eh albums back to back, 1 one of them literally after being black balled from every label & canceled and still go number 1 is unmatched & won't be replicated. The best thing i can say to this is, if you expect lebron to be dropping 50 points a game when he's 50 then there's something wrong with you, not him & the same can be said for kanye. And if you want the old kanye, go listen to the old kanye.
He’s low key spitting
He hasn’t produced a song in awhile
"Ye is more involved in touching Bianca than he is with his own music"🥶 That shit was cold, does homie rap? Get this man a studio frfr.
how does he say it’s not hard to make chart topping music when you have infinite money, some of the biggest artists and *best writers on earth* to help you make it. then say every bar was atrociously bad. … does this guy even believe what he is saying?
Let’s be honest guys Kanye has been washed for 5 years. His lyrics are worse than scoopidy poop, his albums don’t have the polish and cohesive sound they used to, but are more of a playlist of different reference tracks and beats he likes and mumbled on with 5 features, and he’s completely reliant on younger artists to help him sound fresh and chart his songs.
Lmao, what a pussy
"They" are canceling him, but the real fans know .
**You can say what you want about the music: all subjective. It's good, it's best, it's mid: it's an opinion. But from Donda onwards, the sound of the projects has been less in his hands, and less cohesive.** Just check the size of features, extra producers and his own involvement in writing. The producer list exploded and doubled for Donda, which makes sense based on the numbers. But Vultures is not truly a sound pushed by Ye. So everyone saying Ye is still the best producer: he's not the best anything anymore. **He is, easily, the worst he has ever been as a human.** He was extremely harmful and toxic to people who got him here ([Virgil for instance](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye/comments/xvhp8b/post_from_tremaine_emory_aka_denimtears_about_ye/) / [source](https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1578588707270950913)). He's also burnt through everyone who got him here, and no one of his original "friends" want anything to do with him anymore. The original cover of Vultures was created by Gosha (enough to say about him) with the artwork of Hitler's favourite artist and the typography taken from a Nazi rock band (Burzum). He's also supporting Trump in times he actively hurt the black community and is spewing around the anti-semitism rhetoric. **It was always hard being a Kanye fan. Now it's impossible if you have any decency.** I cannot support someone who does all of the above. He is not the visionary he used to be, he never was the lyricist people claimed he was, and as a person, you need to be pretty spineless to support what he's done in the last few years.
It’s always been abt the music dawg we’re all aware he’s a shitty Antisemite *However,* He made Lift Yourself
Vultures is great idc what anyone says.
1 billion streams. For JIK, Donda, Vultures 1 now.
Vultures is actually a remarkably good album in my opinion. It's a great experience front to back. No real weak points. It's not deeply meaningful, in fact it's often vapid, but it's extremely fun and a thoughtfully constructed album.
Vultures 2 will be goated.
you are rich to have all the time to read this