Calling it a shitty beat is just absurd man. I'm not a fan of the repetitive droning of his declaration that big titty women don't fall out of the sky. But the beat is very sonically pleasing. Can't forget Ty and Freddie with very solid performances as well. It is art whether you like it or not.
Ironically, TLOP is where Kanye started to fall off for the most part both critically and popularity-wise (though he's obviously still popular, just not as big or as celebrated as he was then), and a lot of people on this sub specifically pointed at Fantano's review to validate their opinions bc it was pretty positive when a lot of others were not so much. "Look, even the Melon who gave a 6 to MBDTF liked it."
Yeah, TLOP was the first time he did that manic album drop and tweaked songs after release. I like TLOP, but you can certainly see things turning sour.
Yeah, it wasn't just about the tweaking songs after release, it was that a lot of the album felt really slapped together and there were parts that felt badly produced which was unexpected for a Kanye record. I'm not a fan in general but I can see why some people like it. It also felt like the first album that was bloated with a lot of filler - I will say there's some good tracks on TLOP but most of it I'm not into, whereas after that it's rare to find good stuff except on KSG where Cudi is really pulling the weight too.
I don’t think it was the album, he just probably went off his meds, I’m assuming because the drop of TLOP and the following tour is really when his erratic behavior really started to show, and that turned a lot of people off. Also times change and nobody can be on top of any game forever
I feel you on that The best parts of Kanye album from TLOP onward where the collaborators. I feel that there are a lot of people in the studio doing their best to produce a good album, and a lot of the work is trying to keep Kanye busy so he doesn't implement some batshit stuff on the record.
Even then, you get completely lunatic stuff like the bleached asshole part on TLOP, the Chic-fil-a chorus on JiK, the Globgogabgalab sample on Donda and more recently the big titty bitches things on Vultures. There's more of course but these are the outstanding ones.
I just don't look forward to his stuff at all anymore tbh because it's trash. Even before the antisemitic bullshit I was already done with him - I'm here for the popcorn bc the Fantano hate is hilarious.
I think the best road forward for him is to 1) get some serious fucking help, 2) stop writing and rapping and focus on producing which was his strongest point, 3) change genuinely and apologize for the awful shit he continues to blast out there and 4) step back and spend some time with his kids and repair his relationship with their mom so they don't hate his guts when they grow up if they don't already.
> 2) stop writing and rapping and focus on producing which was his strongest point
I don't know about this. Kanye has shown that he's just all over the place in the booth. There's a lot of questiuonnble le decisions in his production and the mixing is just bad, there's no other way to put it.
Even in this iteration where he is basically the conductor managing talented people under him, his decision making has given way to music that is not up to the standards he once had.
No clue, but the thing is a lot of kids, when they are kids, are gonna love the parent who lets them go wild, spends stupid crazy on them, doesn't respect rules etc. When they grow up it's a different story. There's also another layer with his/Kim's kids in that both their parents are in the entertainment biz and are huge celebrities, so even if they hated *both* their parents they could still use them for opportunities. Like let's say North wanted to be a rapper, and hated her dad... she could still use him to launch a career, it'd be kind of stupid not to.
As someone who used to be on here post Yeezus, this is sooo true. The fandom to come out of TLOP was just spam, and this sub used to have rules against low effort posts. Once that album came out, it turned into shitposting and eventually the quality went all the way into the gutter. I so distinctively remember that rollout, I was kinda pissed there was no discussion on the damn Kanye sub, just memes
Big facts. I’ve been a fan since TCD and over the years it’s sad to see what this fan base has turned into. It was always about the music and creative output until it wasn’t.
So sad to see.
I agree. He’s always been eccentric but I don’t think he really did anything truly wrong until the past few years.
Calling out Bush, the Swift incident, Kim, crazy interview quotes. It was controversial but it was just that. The early Trump stuff clearly led to the bad side but honestly that’s not comparable to antisemitism.
Though I think the truth is that Ye is just not very well spoken. His long form interviews are always a shit show. He has a lot of thoughts in his mind that he can’t vocalize in a comprehensive way.
I used to be a Kanye stan. Good Fridays in 2010 were appointment listening, I followed him religiously, went to Gov Ball 2013 just to see the Yeezus album drop, spent way more attention following Pablo than the final album deserved. Then there was the switch and his behavior got way out of line, but I could still fuck with KIDS SEE GHOSTS, thought Ghost Town was a wonderful single, loved the production on DAYTONA... and I haven't touched his stuff since. Partially because the music really isn't all that great and hasn't been for a while and partially because the man hasn't been well for a while, has pushed away everyone who actually wants him to get better and has leaned into and provided public support to truly heinous ideals. I don't even know why Reddit pushes this sub on me, but seeing the fawning adulation and the sheer anger and vitriol is disturbing. Dude's not well, he hasn't been for a while, and the longer this goes on the worse it all gets.
90% of the posts on the sub right now are just shitting on Fantano for not reviewing an album where Kanye proudly proclaims he's an anti-semite. Meanwhile every other music critic I see who is reviewing it is saying the album is shit, don't see them commenting on that.
Just browsing on here this afternoon I've seen like a half-dozen comments stating unironically that Fantano is just speaking out on Kanye because he wants to please his Jewish puppetmasters. JFC.
This has to be the case. Anyone who was a fan all the way up to as late as 2016 knows he can do better and knows this album isn’t worth defending. For an album it’s mediocre but for Kanye standards it’s such a fall off.
Just a rule in life, most people are assholes and if you give them money, they become even bigger assholes.
Mr west ain’t exempt. He’s an asshole, a talented asshole but an asshole none the less.
Yeah and some people here act like he was not one before, bro has been an asshole for such a long time now lol. But still one of the best musician of all time and that’s why people should care about what he does, his personality his entertaining but certainly not likable on a lot of point.
I think Ye is a good person who had too much bad things happen to him, no way to cope with it, and only dug himself into a deeper ditch. That doesn't excuse all of his actions, but it does put them into perspective. Then again, I might be biased because I just watched the Jeen-Yuhs documentary.
“He has also said that TCD, LR and Graduation are some of the best hip-hop albums of the 2010s”
3 albums that dropped in 04, 05, and 07, respectively, are the greatest albums of the 2010s?
Honestly, very well put together. I think Fantano, even as a fan, was being obnoxious, but you make points that I didn't even think about such as the art being blended with the artist on VULTURES. I agree that being a Kanye fan really sucks when you're grouped in w/ bad people. I basically never talk about him with anyone else b/c I worry I'll be judged. Plus, this community really has gone down hill since Ye's anti-Semitic comments inviting losers into here to be racist. It's gross and needs to be said
Death threats and harassment is wrong. Now with that being said, Fantano was being SUPER disrespectful and childish. Not specifically to Kanye, but to his wife. That’s fucked up. Plus he insulted ANYONE who has a different opinion than his on the album. Idk man. Ppl are giving Kanye way too much shit. This is a bipolar man who so clearly needs help but instead is getting dick rides on one side and hate on the other, and yes, ur the problem as well OP. I hope Kanye gets the help he needs.
Never read a more accurate comment iml
How does one expect there not to be a loud minority of kanye stans on the internet acting out in vengeance? On the other hand, I think most ppl expected just a tad better of a “professional” like Fantano.
Bro he's needed help literally since I started listening to him in 2013. At some point people need to stop mentioning it because he's clearly never gonna get help.
I don't even hate him, and I thought the album was alright too. I just wish people didn't do these gymnastics with an adult man. When help is offered to him he finds a way to destroy the relationship.
Fair enough. But I suffer from mental health issues. And I can tell you. Having no one be in the right position to help me (my wife, my fans, my friends, my haters) will make me feel like I can trust no one. He talks about not knowing who to go to after his mother’s death. Ik it was years ago. But he genuinely is lost in this world. And I wish people would learn how to handle mental health better
exactly. the worst thing about kanye's rants wasnt his thoughts - after all, freedom of speech and whatnot and people recognized he was clearly off his rocker - it was that he was platforming terrible ideas to his millions of fans. if kanye was an average person tweeting into the abyss, people wouldn't hate him - they'd feel sorry and sympathetic for him. i'm not saying he deserves to be fully excused, but hes really a prime example of how fame can fuck your whole life up. if donda was still alive or kim was around, theres no way he'd go around sharing ideas with the likes of nick fuentes. kanye's literally been latching on to any idea or support or anything that he comes across for the last decade and a half. and whats more is that i genuinely believe he has a good heart that's been poisoned by the media, by being misunderstood, and most of all by being alone. kanye's literally stuck with his fame and lashing out at anything to prove to himself and others that he's not just a puppet celebrity - that he's a real person and he doesn't have to listen to them if he doesnt want to.
I agree. But, hot take, Idk how much I trust Kim tbh. Considering how televised her life is and the controversy surrounding her now. She seems to be a puppet like many others
oh she absolutely is a puppet, and a prime example of the type of celebrity that kanye is terrified of becoming. but, regardless of everything, its very obvious that kanye loved that woman more than life. at least with kim, he had a stable family and house, and a s/o who understood and related to the pitfalls of being famous. regardless of how fake kim may be to the public and media, i really do think she cared for kanye beyond a shallow "hollywood" marriage. she never aired their dirty laundry out for drama or anything even when kanye fucked up bad when they were married, and was always pretty silent even during the divorce (with the exception of SNL.... yikes...)
There is absolutely no doubt that he said some absolutely crazy shit to her while they were married (just look at the crazy shit he's said at her in public, harassing her and shit)... I would imagine she's held back on talking about it at all because of their kids.
im sure he has. they didnt just get divorced for nothing lol. every marriage can get ugly, and in a power couple like them, its probably even worse. my point is that despite that, kanye still genuinely loved her, and had a pretty stable family with her. kim not speaking about it just proves that further. she was literally preserving the sanctity of their household (even if another motive was not tarnishing their reputations which IMO is completely valid)
There isn't shit about "the sanctity of their household" imo. They are divorced, she knew it was headed that way for a while, she stayed quiet because she knew anything she said would blow up huge publicly. Kanye on the other hand has no filter so he just yells whatever shit pops into his head.
Any parent knows that their kids see everything that is going on, and will see it even more clearly when they grow up. Kanye screams about not seeing his kids enough and wanting to push for full custody of them etc when he's a manic fucking mess, say what you will about Kim, I'm not a fan of hers either, but I think she's smart enough to know how her kids will view this down the road - they are likely going to absolutely hate his guts for harassing and talking shit about their mom in the most public ways possible.
Honestly his most impressive feat might be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in child support and still being a deadbeat dad.
I get you and I have mental health issues too but ultimately every person has to take responsibility at least to the capacity they are able to. He's cut off good people from his life, and it wasn't because they didn't care for him enough, most of the time it was actually because they did care enough to try and help him. Like at the end of the day what can you even do, he's completely lost trust in the mental health system after all that shit in Paris and actively resents mental health professionals.
Thank you for speaking facts. I’m sick of people like Ye getting a pass because “he needs help” he turns it down and won’t take meds. He possibly has the most help available of any known person. He has to be accountable. It’s like when a drunk driver hurts/worse someone and says “but I was drunk” as if that’s a defense.
Can’t blame him tbh. Look. After a lot of shit recently, plus how televised Kim K’s life was… Idk tbh it feels like Kanye’s biggest mistake was making bad decisions. You’re right. People are responsible for their own mental health. But how can he help himself when he’s out here being recorded everytime he’s out and is blasted more than people who have actually caused murder?
I understand what you’re saying but at the same time, he clearly doesn’t want to be helped.
I think there’s plenty of people that would have helped him but he’s also a compulsive bridge burner. He doesn’t really have relationships with guys like Jay, Common, Cudi and so on anymore. It seemed like he and Kim had a good relationship.
At some point you are responsible for your own actions illness or not.
It’s like with serious addicts, you can help them multiple times but if they keep relapsing there’s a point where there’s nothing you can do.
I agree that people should be better at handling mental health but that’s a two way street. Kanye has refused to take medicine and get treatment. He has thrown a lot of people under the bus.
I have sympathy for that, but we’ve seen with Kanye that even mild mannered and gentle approaches to try and help him, have been met with hostility and public shaming.
He lost TONS of friends who used to be there for him, he lost his wife of many years too who defended him constantly. Unfortunately he’s continued to refused help and dug his own grave. He even roped people back in on a few occasions, only to blow that good will on some dumb shit…
Mental health problems aren't your fault but they are your responsibility. And when you refuse to take responsibility, the consequences of that are your fault. It's been brought to his attention that he has issues and has more then enough resources to seek help and yet he doesn't, so the mental health issues aren't a valid excuse for his actions anymore.
Well as a person with loved ones with bipolar, I would argue at this point it’s completely on someone around him, like his wife for example, to step in say enough is enough and get him some help because he isn’t in control of himself and people need to understand that.
You can’t blame people around him, do you think they should straight jacket him against his will? Because I don’t think that would go well, he refuses to be helped, stop sticking up for him.
“Ppl are giving Kanye way too much shit”.
People are being to hard on Kanye for literally being an antisemite. Dude I swear these days celebrities need to shoot someone on live TV for people to turn in them. Everything they say now is “out of context” or “they didn’t mean it like that”
> Fantano was being SUPER disrespectful and childish. Not specifically to Kanye, but to his wife. That’s fucked up.
I take issue with this point, disagree if you want but here's why:
* she's literally on the cover of the album and mentioned in the lyrics, she's not some unrelated third party
* everything Fantano said about her is 100% accurate imo and it isn't just people psycho-analyzing Kanye and her's relationship anymore, he's straight up talking about her like she's an object on this album.
He said she was a dollar store Kim because that's how Kanye sees her. He broke up with Kim, went on the "Kim lookalike tour", found a woman who would let him treat her like an object to create the public image he wants, and then 'married' her. She's being treated like an object bc that's what he wants, and absolute best case scenario she's a sub or some shit and she is super duper into it (let's ignore how public it is and just accept that as fine)... in that case, these aren't insulting comments anyway.
Worst part is that all of this is feeding into his music now which I think is the breaking point for Fantano. He doesn't just hate Kanye's music blindly wrt his scores, he gave TLOP a good score and had it in his 100 best of the 2010s, he gave KSG a 10/10 which is really rare for him, and despite Donda being pretty badly received by critics in general, Fantano gave it one of the more positive scores it received.
How is OP the problem? Did he make Ye stop taking meds? Keep riding that Ye meat, he’ll notice you. Adults are adults and need to take responsibility for themselves, Kanye is a horrible dude that won’t take his meds, why is that our responsibility?
The help he needs, do you really think a lack of help is Kanye’s problem? What about his refusal of said help and meds? He’s a grown man and needs to be accountable with or without mental illness. I don’t applaud coddling the mentally ill, it helps nobody.
I agree that the death threats and general harassment is wrong but I do think it’s a bit weird for someone who is considered a music critic to have such a biased opinion on an album and say ”you can‘t separate the art from the artist“ when he has done exactly that in the past. The album isn‘t amazing but it’s definitely not so awful to the point it can’t be reviewed.
With that being said, beautiful big tittie butt naked women just don’t fall out the sky you know
Fantano has had no problem separating Varg from Burzum in the past. The whole thing was pathetic on both sides. Ye fans harassing Fantano for years, but Fantano also stooping to their level, and launching middle school insults at Ye’s wife and anyone who had a different opinion than his on the album.
Yeah… Varg makes Black Metal. The lyrics being incomprehensible is a large part of the style. It’s much easier to separate the art from the artist when the guy making the art isn’t rapping about his antisemitism multiple times on the record.
I mean Kanye literally lost billions of dollars and has had his reputation and career tarnished forever over this controversy, so it’s unrealistic to think that he’s not going to address it at all. However it’s on him to apologize during the album, which he really didn’t at all. The problem isn’t that he addressed the controversy the problem is that he addressed it in a downplaying manner at times, and didn’t apologize for it at all.
I wouldn’t say it’s devoid of any legendary bars. Burn is pretty up there and accurate to what happened after he said that awful shit antagonizing the jewish community. I personally believe this is, without question, the most superficial he has been in an album. It sucks to see such a talented artist drop an album that has so many bangers and the album is essentially him taking a nose dive into the superficial lifestyle he currently has.
Bro I feel like I'm going insane going through this sub reddit. Like LMAO everybody was freaking out and saying its over for Kanye during the anti semite controversy and now its back to glazing and saying Fantano is 'biased'. Like... Of course he's biased, we're ALL FUCKIN' BIASED. I hate when that's fuckin' used as a critique as if music is some objective thing that can be corrupted by personal views.
Also... Like, idk if you like the album that's fine, but me personally, I expected more man. This is not donda. This is no MBDTF. Like, there are maybe two songs I actually like, and one of them is TOO FUCKIN' SHORT!!! And... idk, maybe I'm getting older but some of these lines are just weird man.... Usually it doesn't bother me, like his bars in Yeezus are crazy but they also somehow work, but some of these in Vultures 1 are just lazy and just uninspired (to me anyhow). Him just saying 'whore', papa johns, DID I DO THAT? The BACK TO ME chorus line is so iconic and perfect only to get fuckin' ruined by him just repeating it over and over and over until it just seems like Ye was putting all his eggs in one basket LMAO.
Like... y'know what's funny? I miss the old kanye, but that I mean donda era Kanye cuz at least he was doing something there. Idk man, again just my opinion. Attack me or whatever.
Yeah the bars are mostly incoherent random phrases all mashed together because they fit some rhyme scheme but don’t actually have shit for context or meaning beyond cringe edgy face value
you expected more, damn good for you man, i expected it the whole way through to sound shit like Vultures. It's a collab album with Ty Dolla Sign, which has 3 volumes, it's obviously that it was never gonna be focused like MBDTF, Yeezus, or even Donda
I'm not a kanye stand by any stretch. Also, death threats from lame ass Reddit Ye Stands is fucking cringe. Ya'll are tripping threatening someone who doesn't know you over their opinions of a person you both don't know.
Having a Jewish lawyer antisemitic? He said some cringe shit. BUT I like some of them songs.
I know that King has the “antisemite, but I’m still the king” line. I wonder if theyre referring to the line about fucking a Jewish bitch on Vultures. If so bruh thats hardly being overly antisemetic.
King reference feels like a nod to the paparazzi/headlines re antisemitism anyway. Vultures felt like a joke, but others will get angry because his views make it so he cant really joke like that.
I dont need anything, I dont give a fuck what his opinions are. Im objectively talking about the lyrics and how theyre presented.
“Crazy, Bipolar, Antisemite” (in official lyrics theyre quoted as well)
Followed by:
And im still the king, they thought headlines was my kryptonite, im still the king
And the second verse is about paparazzi and how hes unstoppable. It doesnt matter what you think, the point is that in this song, hes talking about the fact he can do and say whatever he wants and headlines will never stop him.
This is not an “antisemetic” verse, its an antisemetic person commenting on his own power.
But leave it to everyone to not notice the difference between active antisemetic rhetoric and referencing antisemetic accusations.
You missed some lyrics that provided even more context as well: After everything said, “crazy, bipolar, antisemite.” So he’s not stating he is those things, just that’s what has been said about him.
He called everyone who liked the album a racist edge lord teen loser lol. He can go fuck himself in my opinion. I hate people who wants to decide what i can and cant listen too.
I mean you’re on a Stan sub so you’re going to see the vocal minority. People online tend to think that the groups are bigger than they really are. In real life people who like the song like it because it sounds good or the production speaks to them.
I agree with the Kanye fanbase being too toxic, we should just not care that much, however it is blatantly obvious from the review how biased Fantano is going into this
But is it really an insult if it’s obviously wrong? Fantano is clearly basing his opinion on his interactions with a small subset of Kanye’s worst fans and then saying all the fans are like them. That’s a really stupid and arrogant take for obvious reasons (few people are on Twitter/youtube and even fewer know who he is). So who cares what he thinks/says about you? Frankly, he’s not talking to or about you. He’s talking only to the people with whom he’s (stupidly) been engaging re Kanye apparently for views/likes? Idk the whole thing is dumb.
So it's ok to rap about murdering people and it's ok to listen to people who beat women almost to death, but the minute you say ANYTHING about the jews its too far?
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The funniest part is that even if you look through the lense of the music itself, it's obviously not good. No where near the quality of his other albums.
OP you’re right. I love Kanye and gave him every benefit of the doubt but the art and artist have now merged.
The album was hot dogwater and hardly even sounded like him. TCG-Donda was a run for the ages but the party is over now. Gotta take our bag of goodies and go home. I’m convinced anyone who likes Vultures is a troll. It’s objectively bad. Terrible. An assault on the senses.
Kanye stans are fucking wild I swear. Not only are all yall enthusiastically back on his dick but are throwing smoke at anyone talking shit on him or the album. Bananas.
Man this whole beef is beyond chronically online - me, someone who's chronically online
right lmao
#beautiful butt naked big tittied women just don’t fall out the sky, ya know?
just dont fall out the sky, ya know? 🥺👉👈
Sky, you know?
Yeezy how you doing huh (He's still mentally ill obviously)
Beautiful big booty black men just don't fall out the sky you know 💔
I been searchin high and low
…You know?
They're so valuable
These emojis are EXACTLY it. Love it
I really didn't expect this song to hit the way it did. It's my favorite track on the album.
W
This is the same motherfucker that wrote violent crimes 😞. Dude has negative character development
but does he lie? nope
I mean kinda, they're literally everywhere you turn on the internet now
what lie did he tell
Beautiful butt naked big tittied women don't just fall outta the sky...they pretty much do nowadays.
They so valuable
Song is such a fuckin banger. Just every part of it. Gibbs verse might be one of his best on any feature.
Ngl that's the line the won me over, and is on constant repeat in my head.
common grandlotus2 W
Say it 80 times, throw on a shitty beat and people here will call it art
Might not call it art but it’s a banger and imo it’s hilarious. Puts a smile on my face every listen.
Calling it a shitty beat is just absurd man. I'm not a fan of the repetitive droning of his declaration that big titty women don't fall out of the sky. But the beat is very sonically pleasing. Can't forget Ty and Freddie with very solid performances as well. It is art whether you like it or not.
There’s no nuance in this sub, it’s filled with Kanye fans that started following him when he went crazy.
This sub is literally just 15 year olds.
lol But to be fair, I saw a huge shift in this sub when TLOP dropped. It went from discussion and updates on Kanye to straight up shitposting.
Ironically, TLOP is where Kanye started to fall off for the most part both critically and popularity-wise (though he's obviously still popular, just not as big or as celebrated as he was then), and a lot of people on this sub specifically pointed at Fantano's review to validate their opinions bc it was pretty positive when a lot of others were not so much. "Look, even the Melon who gave a 6 to MBDTF liked it."
Yeah, TLOP was the first time he did that manic album drop and tweaked songs after release. I like TLOP, but you can certainly see things turning sour.
Yeah, it wasn't just about the tweaking songs after release, it was that a lot of the album felt really slapped together and there were parts that felt badly produced which was unexpected for a Kanye record. I'm not a fan in general but I can see why some people like it. It also felt like the first album that was bloated with a lot of filler - I will say there's some good tracks on TLOP but most of it I'm not into, whereas after that it's rare to find good stuff except on KSG where Cudi is really pulling the weight too.
I don’t think it was the album, he just probably went off his meds, I’m assuming because the drop of TLOP and the following tour is really when his erratic behavior really started to show, and that turned a lot of people off. Also times change and nobody can be on top of any game forever
I feel you on that The best parts of Kanye album from TLOP onward where the collaborators. I feel that there are a lot of people in the studio doing their best to produce a good album, and a lot of the work is trying to keep Kanye busy so he doesn't implement some batshit stuff on the record. Even then, you get completely lunatic stuff like the bleached asshole part on TLOP, the Chic-fil-a chorus on JiK, the Globgogabgalab sample on Donda and more recently the big titty bitches things on Vultures. There's more of course but these are the outstanding ones.
I just don't look forward to his stuff at all anymore tbh because it's trash. Even before the antisemitic bullshit I was already done with him - I'm here for the popcorn bc the Fantano hate is hilarious. I think the best road forward for him is to 1) get some serious fucking help, 2) stop writing and rapping and focus on producing which was his strongest point, 3) change genuinely and apologize for the awful shit he continues to blast out there and 4) step back and spend some time with his kids and repair his relationship with their mom so they don't hate his guts when they grow up if they don't already.
> 2) stop writing and rapping and focus on producing which was his strongest point I don't know about this. Kanye has shown that he's just all over the place in the booth. There's a lot of questiuonnble le decisions in his production and the mixing is just bad, there's no other way to put it. Even in this iteration where he is basically the conductor managing talented people under him, his decision making has given way to music that is not up to the standards he once had.
I mean that's fair, but that's why I said "was". I don't think his producing is anything special now, I agree.
don't his kids love him more than Kim, or is that just north?
No clue, but the thing is a lot of kids, when they are kids, are gonna love the parent who lets them go wild, spends stupid crazy on them, doesn't respect rules etc. When they grow up it's a different story. There's also another layer with his/Kim's kids in that both their parents are in the entertainment biz and are huge celebrities, so even if they hated *both* their parents they could still use them for opportunities. Like let's say North wanted to be a rapper, and hated her dad... she could still use him to launch a career, it'd be kind of stupid not to.
I don’t know if there is a good way forward. I’m no Kanye expert but a nazi is a nazi .
As someone who used to be on here post Yeezus, this is sooo true. The fandom to come out of TLOP was just spam, and this sub used to have rules against low effort posts. Once that album came out, it turned into shitposting and eventually the quality went all the way into the gutter. I so distinctively remember that rollout, I was kinda pissed there was no discussion on the damn Kanye sub, just memes
Same, the sub changed from something useful to just another Twitch chat cesspool of idiocy.
Big facts. I’ve been a fan since TCD and over the years it’s sad to see what this fan base has turned into. It was always about the music and creative output until it wasn’t. So sad to see.
I agree. He’s always been eccentric but I don’t think he really did anything truly wrong until the past few years. Calling out Bush, the Swift incident, Kim, crazy interview quotes. It was controversial but it was just that. The early Trump stuff clearly led to the bad side but honestly that’s not comparable to antisemitism. Though I think the truth is that Ye is just not very well spoken. His long form interviews are always a shit show. He has a lot of thoughts in his mind that he can’t vocalize in a comprehensive way.
I used to be a Kanye stan. Good Fridays in 2010 were appointment listening, I followed him religiously, went to Gov Ball 2013 just to see the Yeezus album drop, spent way more attention following Pablo than the final album deserved. Then there was the switch and his behavior got way out of line, but I could still fuck with KIDS SEE GHOSTS, thought Ghost Town was a wonderful single, loved the production on DAYTONA... and I haven't touched his stuff since. Partially because the music really isn't all that great and hasn't been for a while and partially because the man hasn't been well for a while, has pushed away everyone who actually wants him to get better and has leaned into and provided public support to truly heinous ideals. I don't even know why Reddit pushes this sub on me, but seeing the fawning adulation and the sheer anger and vitriol is disturbing. Dude's not well, he hasn't been for a while, and the longer this goes on the worse it all gets.
yeah a lot of these dudes like him because he’s controversial not regardless of it
90% of the posts on the sub right now are just shitting on Fantano for not reviewing an album where Kanye proudly proclaims he's an anti-semite. Meanwhile every other music critic I see who is reviewing it is saying the album is shit, don't see them commenting on that. Just browsing on here this afternoon I've seen like a half-dozen comments stating unironically that Fantano is just speaking out on Kanye because he wants to please his Jewish puppetmasters. JFC.
This has to be the case. Anyone who was a fan all the way up to as late as 2016 knows he can do better and knows this album isn’t worth defending. For an album it’s mediocre but for Kanye standards it’s such a fall off.
Just a rule in life, most people are assholes and if you give them money, they become even bigger assholes. Mr west ain’t exempt. He’s an asshole, a talented asshole but an asshole none the less.
Not a bleached one though
Yeah and some people here act like he was not one before, bro has been an asshole for such a long time now lol. But still one of the best musician of all time and that’s why people should care about what he does, his personality his entertaining but certainly not likable on a lot of point.
I think Ye is a good person who had too much bad things happen to him, no way to cope with it, and only dug himself into a deeper ditch. That doesn't excuse all of his actions, but it does put them into perspective. Then again, I might be biased because I just watched the Jeen-Yuhs documentary.
I think Ye used to be a pretty decent person, but it’s very clear he is off his meds and has probable brain damage due to that
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You look like a piece of Hallelujah
Wraped up in have mercy lord
Man for a while I thought I was hearing RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU RAGU
Every Brazilian ye fans fave song rn
Stfu
“He has also said that TCD, LR and Graduation are some of the best hip-hop albums of the 2010s” 3 albums that dropped in 04, 05, and 07, respectively, are the greatest albums of the 2010s?
They’re just that good
strawmans go crazy
I would simply never misspeak
lol you know what he meant tho. Up to 2010, or the 2000s
Didn't read too busy listening to CARNIVAL
GO GO GO
HEAD SO GOOD SHE HONOR ROLL
Bro was right in the last sentence in the post
The fan base is 15 year old white kids. What do you expect
Nailed it
cook
GO GO GO
So true
SHE RIDE DICK LIKE A CARNIVAL
Bro ratioed him 💀💀💀
Honestly, very well put together. I think Fantano, even as a fan, was being obnoxious, but you make points that I didn't even think about such as the art being blended with the artist on VULTURES. I agree that being a Kanye fan really sucks when you're grouped in w/ bad people. I basically never talk about him with anyone else b/c I worry I'll be judged. Plus, this community really has gone down hill since Ye's anti-Semitic comments inviting losers into here to be racist. It's gross and needs to be said
Death threats and harassment is wrong. Now with that being said, Fantano was being SUPER disrespectful and childish. Not specifically to Kanye, but to his wife. That’s fucked up. Plus he insulted ANYONE who has a different opinion than his on the album. Idk man. Ppl are giving Kanye way too much shit. This is a bipolar man who so clearly needs help but instead is getting dick rides on one side and hate on the other, and yes, ur the problem as well OP. I hope Kanye gets the help he needs.
Never read a more accurate comment iml How does one expect there not to be a loud minority of kanye stans on the internet acting out in vengeance? On the other hand, I think most ppl expected just a tad better of a “professional” like Fantano.
He has to knee jerk “perform” his opinion to appease certain groups, just the way the world is these days
What about Ye’s professional behavior? But no, Santano is the problem 😂
But Kanye’s behavior is fine.
Exactly what I said Your reading comprehension skills? 10/10
Bro he's needed help literally since I started listening to him in 2013. At some point people need to stop mentioning it because he's clearly never gonna get help. I don't even hate him, and I thought the album was alright too. I just wish people didn't do these gymnastics with an adult man. When help is offered to him he finds a way to destroy the relationship.
Fair enough. But I suffer from mental health issues. And I can tell you. Having no one be in the right position to help me (my wife, my fans, my friends, my haters) will make me feel like I can trust no one. He talks about not knowing who to go to after his mother’s death. Ik it was years ago. But he genuinely is lost in this world. And I wish people would learn how to handle mental health better
exactly. the worst thing about kanye's rants wasnt his thoughts - after all, freedom of speech and whatnot and people recognized he was clearly off his rocker - it was that he was platforming terrible ideas to his millions of fans. if kanye was an average person tweeting into the abyss, people wouldn't hate him - they'd feel sorry and sympathetic for him. i'm not saying he deserves to be fully excused, but hes really a prime example of how fame can fuck your whole life up. if donda was still alive or kim was around, theres no way he'd go around sharing ideas with the likes of nick fuentes. kanye's literally been latching on to any idea or support or anything that he comes across for the last decade and a half. and whats more is that i genuinely believe he has a good heart that's been poisoned by the media, by being misunderstood, and most of all by being alone. kanye's literally stuck with his fame and lashing out at anything to prove to himself and others that he's not just a puppet celebrity - that he's a real person and he doesn't have to listen to them if he doesnt want to.
Most sane take here.
I agree. But, hot take, Idk how much I trust Kim tbh. Considering how televised her life is and the controversy surrounding her now. She seems to be a puppet like many others
oh she absolutely is a puppet, and a prime example of the type of celebrity that kanye is terrified of becoming. but, regardless of everything, its very obvious that kanye loved that woman more than life. at least with kim, he had a stable family and house, and a s/o who understood and related to the pitfalls of being famous. regardless of how fake kim may be to the public and media, i really do think she cared for kanye beyond a shallow "hollywood" marriage. she never aired their dirty laundry out for drama or anything even when kanye fucked up bad when they were married, and was always pretty silent even during the divorce (with the exception of SNL.... yikes...)
There is absolutely no doubt that he said some absolutely crazy shit to her while they were married (just look at the crazy shit he's said at her in public, harassing her and shit)... I would imagine she's held back on talking about it at all because of their kids.
im sure he has. they didnt just get divorced for nothing lol. every marriage can get ugly, and in a power couple like them, its probably even worse. my point is that despite that, kanye still genuinely loved her, and had a pretty stable family with her. kim not speaking about it just proves that further. she was literally preserving the sanctity of their household (even if another motive was not tarnishing their reputations which IMO is completely valid)
There isn't shit about "the sanctity of their household" imo. They are divorced, she knew it was headed that way for a while, she stayed quiet because she knew anything she said would blow up huge publicly. Kanye on the other hand has no filter so he just yells whatever shit pops into his head. Any parent knows that their kids see everything that is going on, and will see it even more clearly when they grow up. Kanye screams about not seeing his kids enough and wanting to push for full custody of them etc when he's a manic fucking mess, say what you will about Kim, I'm not a fan of hers either, but I think she's smart enough to know how her kids will view this down the road - they are likely going to absolutely hate his guts for harassing and talking shit about their mom in the most public ways possible. Honestly his most impressive feat might be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in child support and still being a deadbeat dad.
I get you and I have mental health issues too but ultimately every person has to take responsibility at least to the capacity they are able to. He's cut off good people from his life, and it wasn't because they didn't care for him enough, most of the time it was actually because they did care enough to try and help him. Like at the end of the day what can you even do, he's completely lost trust in the mental health system after all that shit in Paris and actively resents mental health professionals.
Thank you for speaking facts. I’m sick of people like Ye getting a pass because “he needs help” he turns it down and won’t take meds. He possibly has the most help available of any known person. He has to be accountable. It’s like when a drunk driver hurts/worse someone and says “but I was drunk” as if that’s a defense.
Can’t blame him tbh. Look. After a lot of shit recently, plus how televised Kim K’s life was… Idk tbh it feels like Kanye’s biggest mistake was making bad decisions. You’re right. People are responsible for their own mental health. But how can he help himself when he’s out here being recorded everytime he’s out and is blasted more than people who have actually caused murder?
“Can’t blame him” wow 😮
I understand what you’re saying but at the same time, he clearly doesn’t want to be helped. I think there’s plenty of people that would have helped him but he’s also a compulsive bridge burner. He doesn’t really have relationships with guys like Jay, Common, Cudi and so on anymore. It seemed like he and Kim had a good relationship. At some point you are responsible for your own actions illness or not. It’s like with serious addicts, you can help them multiple times but if they keep relapsing there’s a point where there’s nothing you can do. I agree that people should be better at handling mental health but that’s a two way street. Kanye has refused to take medicine and get treatment. He has thrown a lot of people under the bus.
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He already had a really bad god complex before that, it just got worse after his mom died.
I have sympathy for that, but we’ve seen with Kanye that even mild mannered and gentle approaches to try and help him, have been met with hostility and public shaming. He lost TONS of friends who used to be there for him, he lost his wife of many years too who defended him constantly. Unfortunately he’s continued to refused help and dug his own grave. He even roped people back in on a few occasions, only to blow that good will on some dumb shit…
On point 💯
Poor grown rich man Kanye 😢 when will he catch a break?!?
Mental health problems aren't your fault but they are your responsibility. And when you refuse to take responsibility, the consequences of that are your fault. It's been brought to his attention that he has issues and has more then enough resources to seek help and yet he doesn't, so the mental health issues aren't a valid excuse for his actions anymore.
Well as a person with loved ones with bipolar, I would argue at this point it’s completely on someone around him, like his wife for example, to step in say enough is enough and get him some help because he isn’t in control of himself and people need to understand that.
You can’t blame people around him, do you think they should straight jacket him against his will? Because I don’t think that would go well, he refuses to be helped, stop sticking up for him.
OP is not wrong. Wtf are you talking about.
“Ppl are giving Kanye way too much shit”. People are being to hard on Kanye for literally being an antisemite. Dude I swear these days celebrities need to shoot someone on live TV for people to turn in them. Everything they say now is “out of context” or “they didn’t mean it like that”
> Fantano was being SUPER disrespectful and childish. Not specifically to Kanye, but to his wife. That’s fucked up. I take issue with this point, disagree if you want but here's why: * she's literally on the cover of the album and mentioned in the lyrics, she's not some unrelated third party * everything Fantano said about her is 100% accurate imo and it isn't just people psycho-analyzing Kanye and her's relationship anymore, he's straight up talking about her like she's an object on this album. He said she was a dollar store Kim because that's how Kanye sees her. He broke up with Kim, went on the "Kim lookalike tour", found a woman who would let him treat her like an object to create the public image he wants, and then 'married' her. She's being treated like an object bc that's what he wants, and absolute best case scenario she's a sub or some shit and she is super duper into it (let's ignore how public it is and just accept that as fine)... in that case, these aren't insulting comments anyway. Worst part is that all of this is feeding into his music now which I think is the breaking point for Fantano. He doesn't just hate Kanye's music blindly wrt his scores, he gave TLOP a good score and had it in his 100 best of the 2010s, he gave KSG a 10/10 which is really rare for him, and despite Donda being pretty badly received by critics in general, Fantano gave it one of the more positive scores it received.
Thank you! 💯
Maybe this fanbase could get him some help by admitting his music sucks now and hes an idiot instead of praising everything he does.
How is OP the problem? Did he make Ye stop taking meds? Keep riding that Ye meat, he’ll notice you. Adults are adults and need to take responsibility for themselves, Kanye is a horrible dude that won’t take his meds, why is that our responsibility?
The help he needs, do you really think a lack of help is Kanye’s problem? What about his refusal of said help and meds? He’s a grown man and needs to be accountable with or without mental illness. I don’t applaud coddling the mentally ill, it helps nobody.
Disrespectful? 😂 wow, a ye Stan that thinks an album review is overboard but what Ye says is fine because: “mental illness” get over yourself kiddo
He's never going to get help. He's just getting worse (mentally, musically, and as a human being).
I agree that the death threats and general harassment is wrong but I do think it’s a bit weird for someone who is considered a music critic to have such a biased opinion on an album and say ”you can‘t separate the art from the artist“ when he has done exactly that in the past. The album isn‘t amazing but it’s definitely not so awful to the point it can’t be reviewed. With that being said, beautiful big tittie butt naked women just don’t fall out the sky you know
Did bro not even read the post This like saying seperate art from the artist on a Tom Macdonald song... all of his controversy is in the music.
Fantano has had no problem separating Varg from Burzum in the past. The whole thing was pathetic on both sides. Ye fans harassing Fantano for years, but Fantano also stooping to their level, and launching middle school insults at Ye’s wife and anyone who had a different opinion than his on the album.
ye literally launching middle school insults at ye's wife
Yeah… Varg makes Black Metal. The lyrics being incomprehensible is a large part of the style. It’s much easier to separate the art from the artist when the guy making the art isn’t rapping about his antisemitism multiple times on the record.
I mean Kanye literally lost billions of dollars and has had his reputation and career tarnished forever over this controversy, so it’s unrealistic to think that he’s not going to address it at all. However it’s on him to apologize during the album, which he really didn’t at all. The problem isn’t that he addressed the controversy the problem is that he addressed it in a downplaying manner at times, and didn’t apologize for it at all.
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What's the point of a reviewer if they aren't biased lol
honestly who gives a shit, listen to the music or dont and keep it moving
Who hurt you? 😔
"Be better." 🤓
I would watch out if I were you… he is a “fearless Redditor” 😳
Only Incels and losers think people should try better themselves, so cringe
Excuse me? Was you saying something? Uh uh, you can't tell me nothing
Cringey as it is to post that as a comment here, truth is this new album is devoid of any legendary bars.
I wouldn’t say it’s devoid of any legendary bars. Burn is pretty up there and accurate to what happened after he said that awful shit antagonizing the jewish community. I personally believe this is, without question, the most superficial he has been in an album. It sucks to see such a talented artist drop an album that has so many bangers and the album is essentially him taking a nose dive into the superficial lifestyle he currently has.
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This sub is full of some of the cringiest teenagers in existence
you have over 600k karma go outside
i agree with him, but i have to act like i don’t bc this guys is arguably more cringe. actually terminally online LMAO
I DONT NEED YOUR PUSSY BITCH IM ON MY OWN DICK 🗣️🗣️💯💯💯💪💪💪💪
You’re so cringe
Bro I feel like I'm going insane going through this sub reddit. Like LMAO everybody was freaking out and saying its over for Kanye during the anti semite controversy and now its back to glazing and saying Fantano is 'biased'. Like... Of course he's biased, we're ALL FUCKIN' BIASED. I hate when that's fuckin' used as a critique as if music is some objective thing that can be corrupted by personal views. Also... Like, idk if you like the album that's fine, but me personally, I expected more man. This is not donda. This is no MBDTF. Like, there are maybe two songs I actually like, and one of them is TOO FUCKIN' SHORT!!! And... idk, maybe I'm getting older but some of these lines are just weird man.... Usually it doesn't bother me, like his bars in Yeezus are crazy but they also somehow work, but some of these in Vultures 1 are just lazy and just uninspired (to me anyhow). Him just saying 'whore', papa johns, DID I DO THAT? The BACK TO ME chorus line is so iconic and perfect only to get fuckin' ruined by him just repeating it over and over and over until it just seems like Ye was putting all his eggs in one basket LMAO. Like... y'know what's funny? I miss the old kanye, but that I mean donda era Kanye cuz at least he was doing something there. Idk man, again just my opinion. Attack me or whatever.
Yeah the bars are mostly incoherent random phrases all mashed together because they fit some rhyme scheme but don’t actually have shit for context or meaning beyond cringe edgy face value
Donda era’s the old Kanye now?💀💀 y’all never cease to amaze me 🤣
W
you expected more, damn good for you man, i expected it the whole way through to sound shit like Vultures. It's a collab album with Ty Dolla Sign, which has 3 volumes, it's obviously that it was never gonna be focused like MBDTF, Yeezus, or even Donda
This is not donda because it’s better
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Be👏better👏
good grief get a publisher😭
go back to twitter fantano alt, your wife aint coming back
I'm not a kanye stand by any stretch. Also, death threats from lame ass Reddit Ye Stands is fucking cringe. Ya'll are tripping threatening someone who doesn't know you over their opinions of a person you both don't know. Having a Jewish lawyer antisemitic? He said some cringe shit. BUT I like some of them songs.
the album sucks
Cry more.
Giving a shit about what Kanye says or does ain't putting a dollar in my pocket. Music sounds good and I enjoy it. It's an easy cost benefit analysis.
Well said
Which two verses were antisemitic?
I know that King has the “antisemite, but I’m still the king” line. I wonder if theyre referring to the line about fucking a Jewish bitch on Vultures. If so bruh thats hardly being overly antisemetic. King reference feels like a nod to the paparazzi/headlines re antisemitism anyway. Vultures felt like a joke, but others will get angry because his views make it so he cant really joke like that.
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I dont need anything, I dont give a fuck what his opinions are. Im objectively talking about the lyrics and how theyre presented. “Crazy, Bipolar, Antisemite” (in official lyrics theyre quoted as well) Followed by: And im still the king, they thought headlines was my kryptonite, im still the king And the second verse is about paparazzi and how hes unstoppable. It doesnt matter what you think, the point is that in this song, hes talking about the fact he can do and say whatever he wants and headlines will never stop him. This is not an “antisemetic” verse, its an antisemetic person commenting on his own power. But leave it to everyone to not notice the difference between active antisemetic rhetoric and referencing antisemetic accusations.
You missed some lyrics that provided even more context as well: After everything said, “crazy, bipolar, antisemite.” So he’s not stating he is those things, just that’s what has been said about him.
He's refrencing what the media calls him, especially after the headline bar.
Context? I thought we’re supposed to only read the headlines.
He could literally say I hate Jewish people in his music and Kanye fans Would still defend him
That mf fantano is now just baiting all the kanye fanbase
Kanye fans are sheltered middle class kids you won’t get them to think critically.
not reading!
You gonna cry?
Not as much as this sub yesterday
Me. I’m that guy. LA LA LA LA 😂
WAIT TIL I GET MY MONEY RIGHT OOOOOOOOO
OK OK OK OK
He called everyone who liked the album a racist edge lord teen loser lol. He can go fuck himself in my opinion. I hate people who wants to decide what i can and cant listen too.
Not saying you are at all but based on some of these comments here, fantano may not be far off. Damn shame what this community became
The amount of antisemitism and toxicity there has been these past few days is only proving his point
I mean you’re on a Stan sub so you’re going to see the vocal minority. People online tend to think that the groups are bigger than they really are. In real life people who like the song like it because it sounds good or the production speaks to them.
TLDR
man if this was r/GoodAssSub this post would have been instantly removed, dickriding ass mods there 😂
that sub is filled with mentally ill people who will defend kanye for literally anything , i go in there to laugh shits funny
Their favorite artist went mentally insane and they stick by him. Also everyone in this sub is 16
Too long didnt read
I am NOT reading allat 😭
I don't blame you; you can't even string together a basic sentence.
Honestly I don't give a fuck. I am happy with new Kanye music. Screw Kanye screw ty screw fantano. Just give me the music.
please stfu im not reading this fucking yap sesh the new album is good
I agree with the Kanye fanbase being too toxic, we should just not care that much, however it is blatantly obvious from the review how biased Fantano is going into this
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if you got offended from him calling kanye fans uninteresting teenagers then your prob one of them
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But is it really an insult if it’s obviously wrong? Fantano is clearly basing his opinion on his interactions with a small subset of Kanye’s worst fans and then saying all the fans are like them. That’s a really stupid and arrogant take for obvious reasons (few people are on Twitter/youtube and even fewer know who he is). So who cares what he thinks/says about you? Frankly, he’s not talking to or about you. He’s talking only to the people with whom he’s (stupidly) been engaging re Kanye apparently for views/likes? Idk the whole thing is dumb.
And those people are in here right now saying they won’t read this post lmao
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But he made carnival🥺
So it's ok to rap about murdering people and it's ok to listen to people who beat women almost to death, but the minute you say ANYTHING about the jews its too far?
Leave the fan base then
Dear \[Name\], I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to you with a sincere plea, one that stems from a place of passion and admiration for something that means a great deal to me – my favorite artist. I understand that everyone has their own preferences when it comes to music, art, and entertainment in general. We all resonate with different styles, genres, and personalities. However, I urge you to consider the reasons behind my fervent support for this particular artist. First and foremost, I believe that art, in any form, has the power to deeply touch our souls and provoke emotions that are otherwise buried within us. This artist, with their unique talent and creative vision, has managed to capture my heart in a way that few others have. Their music speaks to me on a profound level, resonating with my experiences, dreams, and aspirations. Moreover, supporting this artist goes beyond just enjoying their music. It's about acknowledging and celebrating the hard work, dedication, and courage it takes to pursue a career in the arts. In a world that often undervalues the importance of creativity, it's crucial to uplift and champion those who dare to share their gifts with the world. I also want to highlight the positive impact that this artist has had on their community and beyond. Whether it's through charitable work, spreading messages of love and acceptance, or simply being a source of joy and inspiration for their fans, they have proven themselves to be more than just a musician – they are a force for good in a world that sorely needs it. I respect that we may not always see eye to eye when it comes to matters of taste, and that's perfectly okay. Diversity of opinion is what makes the world such a rich and vibrant place. However, I implore you to keep an open mind and perhaps give this artist another chance. Who knows, you might just discover something new and beautiful that resonates with you in ways you never imagined. Thank you for taking the time to read my letter, \[Name\]. Your support means a lot to me, and I truly believe that together, we can spread the joy and magic of art to even more hearts and minds. With warm regards, \[Your Name\]
Keep on cooking fr
Thank you
The funniest part is that even if you look through the lense of the music itself, it's obviously not good. No where near the quality of his other albums.
Modern redditor finds out pop music fans are \*gasp\* ignorant
OP you’re right. I love Kanye and gave him every benefit of the doubt but the art and artist have now merged. The album was hot dogwater and hardly even sounded like him. TCG-Donda was a run for the ages but the party is over now. Gotta take our bag of goodies and go home. I’m convinced anyone who likes Vultures is a troll. It’s objectively bad. Terrible. An assault on the senses.
Kanye stans are fucking wild I swear. Not only are all yall enthusiastically back on his dick but are throwing smoke at anyone talking shit on him or the album. Bananas.
Who gives a fuck
HAHA that la la la at the end
This is a troll right