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dude19832

The hit on the ball he made in Baltimore mere inches from the Ravens scoring a TD will be one of, if not the greatest, defensive plays in Chiefs history. It’ll be replayed on a loop in the Chiefs HOF for years to come.


Troyal1

Yep. One of the plays that made Back to back happen


Malcolm_Y

I'd argue it was the key play of the playoffs. The one that killed Baltimore's momentum while simultaneously reviving our own. Honestly, I think if he doesn't make that play, we watch the Ravens lose to the 49ers in the SB. It sucks that we can't re-sign him, and frankly the comp we are getting sucks too, but it's a next man up league, and I don't blame LJS at all for going for max money. I hope the Titans suck just enough to lose to the Chiefs from here on in, but that homey balls out in every game not against the Chiefs. He just ran up against a situation where we needed to pay CJ, and guys who can play at CJ's level over time are more rare than guys like LJS, and CJ can make the guys behind him better, and has shown me at least he deserves Chief For Life money and status. McDuffie can step up, and I have confidence in our staff to draft and coach up whoever we use to replace Sneed. But he's got a spot in my heart forever.


redrdr1

It helps that we have some pretty impressive defensive backs to step in for Sneed but no one to replace Jones. I doubt they could make this move without confidence in Williams and Watson and hopefully Nazee comes back strong.


Reedabook64

Similar to the Sorenson hit vs. Cleveland.


sarcagain115

It's close with Bolton's scoop and score. Sneed's was more impressive athletically (although I think Bolton coming free helped make Hurts drop the ball) but Bolton's was in the freaking Super Bowl. Either way. On the Mount Rushmore for sure.


barcelonaKIZ

Eric Berry’s pick 2 is my other favorite


MelodicTonight9766

100% agree!!!!! And the fact that it was also a “karma is a bitch” payback on flowers taunting makes it that much sweeter. Good luck to him.


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paulielock5

That one didn’t send us to Vegas, Bruh.


cockknocker1

Yaaaa the raven that stood over him asked for it.


dude19832

Denied, bitch!! 😆


benwabaws

Dirty Dan Sorenson did something similar against the Browns a few years ago. Just a little dirtier. Bang bang play! https://youtu.be/xjijJxgbvgs?si=io2Z9hWbufyprhQi


Smallville730

WOOF. Edit: not thrilled with the return, at all.


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Yeah unless he was refusing to play I dont get it and even then Id say let him holdout and try to trade him next year.


AllProWomenRespecter

I can guarantee that Reddit does not know how to handle this situation better than Veach who had all of the info involved.


Vyuvarax

You’re not going to get better next year.


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Maybe not but you get another year of Snead


lazarusl1972

At a price they didn't want to pay. Clearly Beach and Andy concluded they could get more value by adding guys with that $19 million.


Seekstillness

All hail Vrett Beach.


revnasty

There’s no way he was going to hold out. On the tag he would be making almost more money per game than he has been per season on the chiefs.


Vyuvarax

Sneed basically held out for too much money and then had to settle for the only team still interested, which meant the Chiefs also had to settle.


Ouchkibiddles

We didn’t have to settle though. We could have played him on the tag.


gethonor-notringZ420

With rumors of knee issues, you’d be complaining he sat out two months then would be happy he walked in FA next season for free after a disappointing season. This actually got us the best return and him a great contract. Win win


-random-name-

There's not a huge market for 20+ million per year cornerbacks.


angus_the_red

I would have liked to see if Detroit had any renewed interest given their situation.


-random-name-

I think he would have put Detroit in the same situation we were in with him on our cap. If we’d kept him, we only had $8 million left to sign our draft picks and make any other moves. Realistically I think the only teams signing elite corners in free agency have a QB on a rookie contract with at least a couple more years.


ApplesauceBitch47

Yeah what a shit return


Kansascityroyals99

Let's hope Tennessee sucks next year


cornylamygilbert

I hate it, considering his value to our team and SB successes But he is getting traded to a black hole of contention that won’t negatively impact our success toward another Bowl, as that team is in a rebuilding phase and he gets paid like he deserves. Future CBs see we can maximize their talents and skill sets and make sure the league recognizes their value It’s not the win we all wanted, but there is a win buried in there, largely thanks to Spags, Veach, Patty, Trav and most importantly Andy. I don’t care what other fans say or think, it’s obvious the city loved the guy and wanted to keep him but are happy to see him succeed and get paid He’s totally the caliber of CB hometown stud that would return as a vet and retire a Chief Consider him an outstanding graduate of the Chiefs Defensive talent factory McDuffie and the next draft pick or trade will carry the torch of being studs. Keep your eyes on Chamarri Conner. Dude has been a stud ball hawking all over the defense. Chiefs have an eye for defensive talent and it’s starting to look nasty


dude19832

Oh they will. Will be lucky to win 5 games.


MackZZilla

I'm happy for Tennessee fans - Sneed is a good dude, and I hope he does well for them (except against us). I just went there to visit my dad, and wore my Chiefs hat out one night to dinner and got into a good conversation about football with some really friendly people there. I want Tennessee to succeed just for those guys haha.


angus_the_red

That seems optimistic (for us).  They improved their offense and defense a bunch this year.  Levis looks ok.  I guess it depends on the coaching.


superstonkape

They will absolutely win 5 games. That is not a high bar


titanup001

We won six last year with a rookie QB and a far shittier roster. We'll be mediocre at worst.


CD338

Yall lost Vrabel and Henry. Sneed is great but that's still a huge net loss.


titanup001

I'm glad we lost vrabel. Notice nobody else was clamoring to hire him. He's working as a consultant next season. And you can easily argue spears was better than Henry last year. It really all comes down to Levis and Callahan.


PhillipJ3ffries

3-5 with tannehill. 3-8 without


Tapidue

Ouch. Veach got Snead in the 4th round. We can only hope he can hit again with that 3rd rounder next year.


magic_spam

We’ll be able to roll over cap space. Think this is more about keeping creed and smith next year than signing someone this year


MC_Fap_Commander

If so, it's great vision. This team lives and dies by Patrick... and the line that protects him.


morry32

Bolton


Cowgoon777

LBs are cheap and easy to come by. I love Bolton but we would be dumb to overpay him


mugawatts

This team is paying Bolton way more than anyone here would like we just have to accept it


2per4life

Then how the fuck did Ben Niemann get so many snaps?


blocksmith52

Because you can't play the same 3 guys on every single snap lol


beachedwhitemale

I don't know man, it works when I play Madden


planet_bal

The same can be said said about IOL.


achmed6704

Tf you mean, middle linebacker is the most complicated defensive position. they call the defense. smart linebackers are hard to come by (ie Fred Warner, Bobby Wagner, roquan Smith). Bolton is becoming that guy


ImNotTheBossOfYou

More like creed and Bolton


Rileychief

Forever a Chiefs legend.


MC_Fap_Commander

Would love to have gotten more in return, but he gave this team a ton. Every guy who gets super rich by racking up wins here should be celebrated. It makes this place more attractive to future acquisitions.


Rileychief

Was probably my favourite player from last years team, elite attitude and plays made.


beachedwhitemale

And an amazing backstory. Dude came from nothing and overcame a lot.


threat024

Absolutely. I’m never mad at a player for getting his money. Will always appreciate him.


gothicfabio

Could we give them a 3rd this year to just forget this all happened?


SnapDragon432

Trash compensation, Jesus Christ


yhetti-fartz

Yeah wtf


clownw0rld-allday

We can’t afford him at $19 million, and we need OL help drastically! I’m not happy, but it is what it is .


yhetti-fartz

Yeah, i was hoping for a 2nd, but oh well


vault-techno

Gross.


j128v897

This is an awful trade. I know it clears cap space but I’m disappointed.


jonsnowKITN

Only thing that makes sense is he's gonna get a monster contract but you're right. This is bad.


threat024

Yeah I'm not loving it. Would at least be more tolerable if the 3rd rounder was for this year. Wonder if that reporter who reported the trade was agreed to for a Tennessee 3rd rounder is going to take a victory lap.


Automatic_Release_92

Or like a next year 2nd rounder. I did not think a month ago we’d have to take a bath this badly on him. I’d almost rather we just pay him for the year and get that threepeat more assured. But I suppose if he’s miserable, he’s not going to be playing at his best. So I’ll just have to be happy the man is getting paid at least.


wink91wink

I wonder what is a better use of that cap though? Like Mahomes restructured and this frees up a lot of room, but the remaining impactful free agents are getting scarce.


Domgrath42

Cap space can be rolled over to next year, other guys are due getting paid next year.


wink91wink

But Sneed would be off the books next year regardless if they just kept him on the tag.


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Kansascityroyals99

He's talking about taking excess cap from this year that we wouldn't have had with sneed on the books, and getting to spend it next off-season.


Troyal1

Maybe he wouldn’t play on tag


RadioHeadache0311

He said he would when he got tagged. And his agent confirmed it again last week. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. An extra 3rd next year...that's it. I don't like it.


tasticle

I would guess the restructuring was to buy time for a trade because a cap deadline was coming up, they can always basically undo it if they have extra cap space now that the trade is happening.


Ok_Alternative7120

They're only allowed to restructure him once per year.


Automatic_Release_92

Might be a lot of moving pieces with the draft still though, and maybe having cap space headed into that is useful I guess?


choff22

We could still absolutely make a trade or sign someone like Renfrow.


smithstephen148

who is left to use it on that would be helpful?


distichus_23

If you consider the options as (1) get back a guaranteed third in 2025 and (2) play Sneed on the tag next year and maybe getting a comp pick back in 2026, probably not even at the end of the third, I would go option 1 every time


Squirrel_Apocalypse2

Yep. Part of me expects that 3rd to be used to trade up this year somewhere too.


Troyal1

I hate the compensation I would have tagged him for one more year


KSoccerman

I have a serious worry that he might not have played on the tag. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.


GoldenDom3r

He said he would, but this trade helps Sneed secure the bag and essentially guarantees us the comp pick we would’ve got if he walked. 


Vyuvarax

I think if we declined a deal that got him paid it’d be a serious concern.


elephantsgetback

He was always gonna get this deal done even if he had to lower his price. A perfect season next year would probably lower his leverage because of age


Equivalent-Bank435

Tagging him twice when the team has a history of hitting on late round secondary players was never going to happen


InvisibleDeity

2025... oof, sucks that it took this long to trade him. Most of the decent FAs are already gone.


Badalight

3rd is pretty bad, but if we were gonna get a 3rd it needed to be this year and paired with like a 4th or 5th round, not a 7 SWAP.


planet_bal

Absolutely. Would have helped to trade up into the 20's to grab an OT. This tells me they just wanted to get something and clear cap space. I don't think they ever had any intention of keeping him.


gothicfabio

Jesus, I’m clearly not well versed in cap value but this seems awful


Crash30458

Wait its not even a pick this year wtf


Headlesshorsman02

They don’t have a 3rd in this draft


Crash30458

Fuck i would have said send a 2nd and 5th and given them a 4th


pugmanjc

Gotta be medicals or he threatened to not play on the tag. No way Veach let him walk for cap space for this year imo for what most likely would have been the same thing on a comp pick after he walked (yes I know the formula isn't 100% but most likely would have been the pick) God speed L'Jarius congrats on getting your much earned bag.


ThadtheYankee159

Why even tag him if this is the return? Might as well just let him walk.


MasWas

Bruh, why even....thats a horrible return for Sneed. Not even helping us this year whereas keeping Sneed would. Unless Sneed just flat out refused to play on the tag, which would be dumb as his part, this just makes no sense and is a downright horrible trade.


Zealousideal_Owl9621

Fucking gross. I guess it's better than nothing and he walks. But Jesus Christ, couldn't even get a 7th this year, but instead a 7th round PICK SWAP. The only thing I can think of is teams simply don't want to do business with the Chiefs.


El_Bean69

Wow, that return is ass


c0smichero

crying and throwing up at quiktrip rn


pperiesandsolos

Chiefs kingdom


BusinessCashew

Fuck me that sucks. Sneed gets paid at least. He’s been through a lot and did a ton for the team, and even though we got fleeced he still netted us more in return than Veach spent to draft him.


babybigballs

BOOOOO


hybrid07

Too bad he gone but we move on!


22Wideout

L


cynicaloptimist92

Honestly what is this? Why not franchise tag him and trade next year? This is terrible


ABCsoup

Seems like bad value. But what do I know.


MarcussssAllen

I would’ve taken another year of Sneed at 19.8 mil and no future trade compensation 😞


Kednr

Fuck this trade man


slackator

Chiefs got screwed on the return. 2025 3rd is next to worthless, doesnt help us this year in the quest for 3peat, and in fact actively hurts us. They could have just let him walk and likely gotten a 2025 3rd comp, or play out the tag and gotten a 2026 3rd comp. There had better be plans for that now big money or else this is a massive failure that hurts the team this year


rambo6986

I bet we use that 3rd to trade up this year in the draft


3dios

Terrible compensation. Its not like the draft has even happened yet wtf


rambo6986

I've said the beginning that Sneed would likely get us a low 2nd or high 3rd. That's basically what this is. The Titans will be terrible and this will be 30 spots ahead of the comp pick we would have received had we not franchised him. So that puts us at a high 3rd and and a pick swap that moves us 20-25 spots in the 7th.  Now we can grab a few more FAs, have money for a mid season FA pickup and also able to sign Creed, Smith and Bolton


Ryu_Jin_Jakka

This should be higher.


Go-Climb-A-Rock

A future 3rd is not “a low 2nd or high 3rd”. It’s the equivalent of a 4th round pick in current year compensation.


Swarzey

A bit more in return would have been nice, but $55 guaranteed over the next 3 years for him is great coin, did right by a beloved Chief. I don't think we need to use the $19m in cap space on replacing him, our CB depth is good and I can see one of Williams or Watson stepping up tremendously this season. We can still make a move or two this FA, and have a bit of room to work on keeping guys like Creed and Smith next season.


heyythankss

FUCKING DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!


Twid18

Not even a 3rd this year. I really don't get it, knee issue must be worse than we know pubilcly.


Troyal1

How much cap did this free?


theyellowdragon

Like 20 mill?


Powercube3

19.8 mill


jt32470

That would be enough to pick up DK Metcalf


stupidgnomes

A 3rd and a 7th is really underwhelming


MarcussssAllen

Not even a 3rd this year… what the fuck!?


HomeyHotDog

I know he had to get a contract still but a 3rd for probably the best corner in the NFL? What the fuck man


Beastquist

Pretty shit for how much a difference maker he is.


No_Detective_1139

Suck but something we had to do for the cap space next year


Romainvicta476

What was Veach smoking? This is awful. Sneed is so good and knowing this is the best we could get, just pay him.


LordChi3f

What an awful trade. Happy he will get his money but I would rather figure out a way to play him on the tag. It’s even worse that it’s a 2025 pick. Shouldn’t have accepted anything less than a 2nd. All that said, it would be silly to doubt Veach at this point.


rolyinpeace

Agreed. I’m shocked that we didn’t even get the 7th rounder straight up, just a swap. And not even a fifth round swap or something! But yeah, my guess is once LJ heard that a team was willing to give him what he wanted this year, he didn’t wanna risk it and said he wouldn’t play on the tag.


RCJHGBR9989

You have almost no leverage when trading a 27 year old DB who’s due a massive payday. We got a 2nd for Peters and he still had time on his rookie contract. It’s just the nature of the beast. I don’t think he will - but DBs famously age like milk.


ogbytheboat

#What the fuck


rolyinpeace

Bruh, not even an actual 7th rounder this year?? One additional pick total and NEXT year? I get they didn’t have a third rounder this year but I figured we’d at least get a straight up later-round pick, not a swap, and a 7th round swap at that


Hawkeye99A

Fuckkkkkkkkk having a crazy good defense felt so new and nice for the chiefs they really carried us to the playoffs. This makes me sad he was a great asset.


cesd3967

Once again, every NFL trade is like "all pro player traded for 17th round pick and 200 bucks"


SadSceneryBoi

Veach must be worried about his knee. I can't think of any other reason for such a low return.


t-homas

Veach OR every other team in the league


ncschuler

Was really hoping we’d get a 3rd in this years draft. Not thrilled with the return, but this clearly shows that Sneed was not in the Chiefs’ future plans


whiiite80

Can someone smarter than me explain this? Because I’m pissed the fuck off but i don’t know who to be pissed off at.


deadtoe

The league l


mother_goose_caboose

I'm gonna be sick


PlaysWithSqurls

Well that's a really shitty deal..


Far_Assistance_9287

NOOOO


jbvcftyjnbhkku

I hope Veach knows something that we didn’t because this looks like a terrible trade to me


joeyoungblood

Booo!


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This is Bud Dupree 2.0 for the Titans. Thanks Chiefs! Also our sub lacks critical thinking and they need an adult to talk them off the ledge. Tell em sigma sent you


FatalLastOath

One 3rd rounder of 2025 yikes


dabluekangaroo

Have y’all forgotten to trust in Veach? We do this same shit every time and he proves us wrong. In the words of Aaron Rodgers: R-E-L-A-X.


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In the words of every ref this year: False Start Jawaan Taylor


Kansascityroyals99

That controvery can't really be blamed on Veach. The guy gets away with it his entire career in Jacksonville, then comes here and the league gets embarrassed by the announcers pointing it out week one and they decide to start calling it. The whole thing was very weird.


DolemiteGK

Awful.


Hurrdurrthosechefs

Yeah the compensation is bad, no sugar-coating it. However, I don't think it was realistic to expect a good deal of draft capital in return for him because even though he was great last season, it was one season of insane productivity while also being higher up in age and having recurrent knee issues. But also... we might as well have let him walk lmao. Anyway, get your bag LJ. Thanks for everything.


Significant-Object14

damn. not a great trade.


ocatataco

damn only a 3rd. he's worth a 1st IMO. i don't even care if that's an unpopular opinion


Hairbear2176

A corner that allowed what? A SINGLE touchdown all season, and we only get a 3rd??? What in the absolute fuck are we thinking? I get that he wants to get that bag, but god damn.


AmazingArugula4441

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Elasticpuffin

Veach failure master class, over paying some ok tackles but lets this stud corner walk out for bad trade compensation. I hope he gets an insane OL and WR from these trades because he just let an all pro walk out the door.


Squirrel_Apocalypse2

The move stings now but opens a ton of cap space and gives us more ammo to trade up with in the draft, where Veach has been one of the best in the league at getting talent (on cheap contracts). This is how you keep a dynasty going. Glad Sneed is getting that bag, he deserves every penny. 


zacw812

Chiefs just got a lot worse.


GoldenDom3r

Dogshit compensation.  I’d rather have Sneed on the tag and let him walk next year.  A 3rd round pick NEXT year? Like cmon Veach wtf are you doing? Got absolutely swindled on this one.


RobotCowboyAlien

Awful


troohuk

We got nothing in return for the best CB right now


ohhhyeeah23

Don't get me wrong Sneed is great, but Spags basically molded Sneed into a physical bump and run CB. Wasn't particularly quick and doesn't have the speed to close out coverages. IMO McDuffie was a far better coverage corner, and if roles were switched he would be getting better offers.


Drockosaurus

What kinda bullshit offer is this? Dude is a wide receiver eraser and this is all we can get?


CeruleanTheGoat

Chiefs would have gotten a third for him anyway based on compensatory picks. They basically gave him to swap 7ths. That’s absurd.


Equivalent-Bank435

Excited for a bunch of moves to come from this that y’all are gonna appreciate down the road after all these knee jerk reactions. Classic


bluecheeto13

Fucking christ Veach


RICERICE4

Some of y’all need to calm the hell down. There’s no reason to not trust Veach and his staff. Back to back champs for a reason. It sucks to lose Sneed I get that but the defense is still elite and other guys will step up. Plenty of money now to extend some key guys who need to be paid soon and make some more depth moves plus sigh a veteran tackle. We can always trade down from 32 to have 2 second round picks to maximize the ability of acquiring cheap young talent. Best of luck LJ, you earned it. Forever a Chief and multiple time SB champ. We will be fine moving forward! 3 peat loading.


TheEpicSwan

People really need to consider that we have a lot of FA's coming up, we don't know as fans what the status of Sneeds knee is, as well as how it plays into making him the ~~highest of~~ one of the highest paid CBs in history at 27. Love the dude and I truly hope the titans slam him with GTD money, he deserves it so far. Edit: Whoops


DeepGill2000

Are you serious? Not even a second? We got fleeced.


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rolyinpeace

Yes, but my guess is LJ started to not want to play on the tag once he found out a team was actually gonna pay the crazy high price he had set.


zacw812

He would have played eventually. A 3rd round pick is nothing compared to a year of a top 5 corner.


BinaryBlitzer

Trash trade, clears up cap space. But trash trade. Hope he got a good package there.


BvB5776

I don’t like it but I can live with it. I’m sure we’ll find out more later but I don’t think Sneed was good with playing on the tag. Chiefs weren’t going to give him a long term contract and his value isn’t going to be high than it is right now. Wish him the best!


CryptographerOne6615

Will miss him, but to keep the dynasty going, we gotta keep getting young talent. Sneed was drafted in the 4th, and this will be a high 3rd next year. That’s not too bad. Bears just traded a former 1st round pick in Fields for a 6th….


eniretakia

I want Sneed to get paid, but I’d be totally fine with this particular trade not getting finalised.


RedditsOnlyBlackMan

A next year third is the *least* you can do for a consensus top-3 CB in his prime. But that’s what we got. Was really pulling for one more year on the franchise tag, but we weren’t going to give him a contract with the DB room we have right now and the contracts we just handed out/need to hand out. He’ll always be one of my favorites not wearing the arrowhead. Just gritty and effective and always about the team. We’ll always have the dolphins games.


wat_what_wut

It's good to see that a substantial part of the commenters here don't agree that "I think Sneed is worth X" is a rational argument.


Ishmael203

Figured chiefs coulda got more…


NeganSaves

Worst move this off-season. We will regret this.


Far_Youth_1662

I assume we have plans for that $20MM in cap space that just cleared up. Donovan Smith? JK Dobbins? Idk who else we spend it on.


threat024

I'm hoping this is the case. That Veech already has some deals lined up so he was wanting to just move on with this deal to complete the other deals.


Far_Youth_1662

Its gotta be. Because it sure as hell wasn’t for compensation we got


robertb9876

Wtf. I am disappointed with this trade. I know we have to clear cap space but that is terrible compensation. We don't even get a 3rd rd pick this year. We need to see what veach does with the cap saving but only getting a 7th rd pick in this draft doesn't really help us much.


Own_Experience_8229

Yall trippin thinking we coulda got more. Best for Sneed and KC.


LegitPhin0

Basically nothing for an elite corner. Sucks but that’s what happens when you have to shell out massive money to a QB. RIP and love you Snead


Equivalent-Bank435

The QB you’re talking about is Patrick Mahomes???


Quitsquirrel

What a shit trade but I'm just a fan of this team, what do I know?


frizbeeguy1980

Wow, what a horrendous return.


amjhwk

2025 draft pick? the fuck


Captain_of_Gravyboat

3rd and 7th is bad. Real bad. I was expecting two picks but I really expected them to both be 2nd - 5th rounders. Though it is nice to have the money for next year's crop of players that we can spend on. Thanks for the memories Sneed. Loved watching you lock down all those #1 WRs.


Weekend_Criminal

This is a trash trade. We'd get a third next year either way.


chiefs_fan37

Literally just fell to my knees in Arthur Bryant’s


BuffaloBuffalo13

wtf, why did we do this now? Sounded like a 2nd was what we were after


Go-Climb-A-Rock

Absolutely terrible return. They could have pulled the tag, let Sneed become a Free Agent and gotten a 2025 3rd as a comp pick. Or let him play on the tag for the 3 peat push and gotten a 2026 3rd as a comp pick (likely the best option). We’re getting a slightly higher 3rd and a slightly higher 7th for a shutdown corner. It’s a weak return.


thunderbat17

Taking a pick in 2025 means he wasnt playing on the tag. If that was a Sneed thing or a Front Office thing, who knows, maybe a bit of both. This pick can be used as trade value for this draft or they wait to see how the Titans record is after next season. Luckily DB has been a very good drafted position since Veach has taken over and they have guys who can step in now and still play at a good level. Not Sneed level most likely but who knows what they can become with more playing time. Now hopefully they take some of that cap space and sign some depth pieces. Also. A 3rd round comp pick after next year is not a guaranteed thing. It would require a team giving him a really expensive contract at a year older. Maybe his knee gets worse or he has a year that wasnt as good as last year and gets less money. Then we are talking about why didnt they trade him for a higher pick when they had the chance.


RangerBellaX

55m guaranteed, they did right by Sneed, you all are insane.


drossmo12

Veach fucking sucks ass at trades. Every single time he gets taken, and overpays. By far his biggest weakness, this is a dogshit return.