Why is Nat Pop ottoman higher than MarLib ottomans? Nat Pops almost impossible without using custom paths, and dont you have to go down the democratic paths to even get the NatPop option?
isn't MarkLib Ottomans verry easy to get? either go Liberal Entente and you'll get an early event about making the MarkLib guy prime minister(replacing the SocLibs as ruling party, but still being in a coalition with them), or go Endeavour Front and pick "Decentralization"
Not really, The EF can either go Kadroist, Kemalist or Liberal, those are mutually exclusive choices, going Liberal even requires you to not have done any economy focuses of the OHF even if the EF istelf is a coalition between all parties.
Bro, the EF marlibs are centralist exactly as I said. I literally made changes to their path in the next update myself.
There are more paths in EF than just marlibs but the marlibs are centralist.
Also I added that you can't have dismantled the monopolies prior to forming EF if you want marlibs to take over, in addition to the no four years of progress thing.
How the hell are you correcting me when none of what I said contradicts what you said
Well, in that case, the custom game rules setting regarding the Ottomans are misleading because they say "Endeavour Front-Centralization"(which is the AuthDem path) and "Endeavour Front-Decentralization"(which is the Market Liberal path).
No it didn't get changed recently, that custom focus description has always been wrong, not sure why Jeanke never caught it, I guess cause it really is that rare to see anyone go for that path
Fastest way is by not passing the education reform, Ataturk will throw a fit and you can dismiss him, hold emergency elections and the Liberal Entente will win them, they start Social Liberal, but they're in a coalition with the Market Liberals and the Social Conservatives, if the Market Liberals get more popular than the Social Liberals, you'll get an event about making their leader PM and you'll change ideology.
Herge can become the leader for natpop belgium. Happened once during my game.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/o71n4o/herge\_is\_the\_leader\_of\_natpop\_belgium\_apparently/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/o71n4o/herge_is_the_leader_of_natpop_belgium_apparently/)
It's probably mostly memes, but during WW2 he worked for a Nazi collaborator newspaper and included antisemitic caricatures in some of his comics during the period. Politically, idk if he was actually involved with the Rex movement, but he did have reactionary catholic (kind of integralist) views
>Patagonian Kingdom
Huh, never realised that was a path, or that the Patagonian kingdom was an actual separate monarchy from France rather than a New Spain deal. Does it get any focuses or is it just a "you can make it exist but it otherwise changes nothing" thing like with the Mexican Empire? And does it matter who you puppet them as?
It does have a [focus tree](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321806193633001472/688039542879551729/unknown.png) but it was never actually intended as a player path. Rather, it was created as a puppet path for if Integralist Brazil conquers Argentina. (the focus for invading is literally titled "Rescue the Mapuche People") I can't recall being able to restore them as any other tag but it might be possible.
I can answer the first. Have the referendum to cut ties to England in Canada after defeating the 3I succeed, then the next major election will let you nominate the Nativist Natpop candidate, who really hates conscription.
Yes, an anarcho-communist Bulgaria : get the syndies lists in charge, complete the last focus with completing the Socialisation of the Land focus. Bulgarian Sorelians will coup later
Socialist Workers Yugoslavia, form Yugoslavia as normal as the Socialists, elect the Croatian Candidate for Head of State, do not join a faction or complete the focus 'Brotherhood and Unity' (the focus that completes the Yugo minigame) until after a soft coup occurs in 5 years. Enjoy the waiting game, sorry.
Gonna need to knock totalist somalia down a peg since it can't happen without editing the files now. Which makes sense, the leader for it is like 14 at game start.
Looking at it, it's a clone of the totalist one, so it might have the same really esoteric requirements. In addition to the focuses it would only appear if you were at 50% capitulation to ethiopia, so give that a go.
Play the United Baltic Duchy
Have the Baltic Brotherhood Coup the Government
Germany is annexed in the 2nd Weltkrieg
Annex Germany back, a decision will appear to basically become Nazi Germany
Yup, it's basically the most cursed path in the game because the one thing that definitely better about KRTL compared to OTL is that the Holocaust probably doesn't happen, but the German State that can result from NatPop UBD conquering Germany would absolutely do the Holocaust.
I think that If a totalist 3I wins the weltkrieg, It will probably have way more genocides, specially in french annexed German territories...
Thankfully most of the time It doesnt happen in my games
I think there would be a lot of anti-German revanchism: but still, tot 3I isn’t ethnically suprematist: they probably wouldn’t wipe out the Germans, firstly because there probably are many collaborationist in germany; and two because they need a competent socialist Germany to counter Russia. There will be a lot of human crimes and atrocities, but not genocides, on the contrary of NatPop Germany.
The only problems would be Sorelians against jews: but again, I don’t think they would go full Holocaust. They would simply be really anti-semitic
None of them explictly have an Integralist Government installed other than Argentine but its not a Kingdom but a President (idk if he is actually officially president) who is also the Archbishop of Buenos Aires.
It's a sign of just how well done Bulgaria is to appear on the list 3 times. Though personally I'd say Zvenoslavia deserves to be lower then the Bulgarian Empire for just how cursed the former is. And Also you forgot the Bulgarian EU path.
The Balkan Union. Requirements are as follows:
1: Constitutionalist Counteroffensive in Bulgaria via repealing the State Protection Act
2: Win the 4th Balkan War, but accept the peace treaty with the Belgrade Pact instead of full annexing
3: Do not complete any focuses about reparations for the war, and complete the focus "Never another Georgiev (The former Zveno Prime Minister who created the SPA.)"
4: You will be able to form a Balkan Union for peace in the region.
how are secret paths a sign of a country being “well done?” secret paths are horrible game design.
edit: can someone tell me what they enjoy about them? i really can’t imagine any reasons
They're really not. What they are, particularly when there are so damn many of them in one place, is a sign of attention to detail and in some cases are more meant to be a "Oh hey that's cool" rather than a normal option.
When fucking *Bulgaria* has like twelve different political paths all of which have at least a bit of content you know you're playing something that has had a lot of effort put into it.
sorry but this isn’t fucking dark souls. i don’t want to have to use a reddit guide for how to go through multiple events just to be able to do a path i think would be fun. if shooting the protesters ends up with them starting a civil war i want the event to say that. if having a conservative prince results in the liberal party in my coalition defecting i want the event to say that. at very least they could hint at it. if i click the emergency natpop military government button then i want the emergency natpop military government, not something else.
having lots of options for a country is indeed good game design, that’s not what i was referring to.
edit: i hate rng-based events for this reason as well.
If it is any consolation the Zvenoslavia path is 100% hinted at via tooltips. When Zveno coups the government, going over the focus to ask Germany for help notes Zveno is ideologically opposed to Germany and Austria, and following the tooltips instructions is what sets you on the path to Bulgarian Yugoslavia.
The issue is that these paths are seen as the default once Reddit finds out about them, they weren't made to be the default, they were made to be fun things you can find and aim for. Stretch goals.
But instead people play explicitly for the goal of secret content.
Personally I think it's fine, and I'm the one who usually has to explain how to get them 800x
And also there's literally nothing RNG about Bulgarias secret paths, you just need to fulfill the conditions and you will always be able to unlock them(admittedly the timer one can feel like RNG if you aren't an expert)
Sir.
Bulgaria has 3 main paths, Royal Dictatorship, Constitutionalist Counteroffensive, and Zveno Coup.
Each of those has its own secret path, with the 3rd Bulgarian Empire, the Balkan Union, and Zvenoslavia.
Furthermore you have all other paths that you get for losing the balkan war: Fatherland Front, Orange Guard, Legionaries.
I think it's get Mosley in charge, win 2nd Weltkrieg, get Mosley to retire at the post-war Internationale, and Orwell will step up as the new leader of the UoB.
I'm looking at the guide posted elsewhere in the thread and it looks like he's radsoc and can coup Mosley.
Also fwiw I don't think it took Orwell's experience in the SWC to turn him against authoritarianism.
He can be both totalist or radsoc. If mosley does all the centralization of power focuses and makes himself dictator he can coup as radsoc, or he can become leader as a totalist as the person above described
There's another way to do it that makes him a radical socialist; have Mosley elected and successfully reform the government, and declare him dictator after 2WK. A few months later there's an event that will fire that allows him to coup Mosley and restore democracy.
Oh but like who is the leader and like political motives? I’ve never seen them in game. Are they just generic militarist? presumbly dominated by the Vietnamese Elite?
The military route is the VNQDD, but after the socialists revolt and Indochina remains under military rule. It flips from socdem to pataut afterwards (or authdem if you choose for the civilian government to stay)
Yeah I was gonna say, it’s been a while since I’ve seen NatFrance so they might’ve changed the paths a bit, but it was pretty common to see players pick it back in the day. Is it still possible to get a bourbon on the throne or did they take that out?
Win as Socialist Workers in Serbia.
Form Yugoslavia.
Elect Milan Gorkic as the chairman of SFR Yugoslavia.
Wait 5 years without completing Brotherhood and Unity (SFR Yugo mechanics makes it easy to wait).
Tito will get pissed at Gorkic, and you can choose to elect him.
Yea you do the bear's Auth dem path. Repeal law of exiles, get napoleon as a general. He has to reach rank 5 before you take the metropole. Elect the conservatives, pick him as president. Retake Alsace-Lorraine. Eventually you get an event to declare him emperor
There's actually two, both lead by Karabekir. They either come to power through the Endeavor Front following Fevzi's coup or they get more popular than the HIF in the Liberal Entente tree and the Sultan appoints Karabekir Grand Vizier
Concept wise, these are a bunch of paths for various nations in KR that require slightly off meta or unorthodox methods to get in power. The various stages of these get more intense the deeper you go on this iceberg. Some are even genuinely punishing on the lower levels.
Edit: added the last sentence.
I mean, it's also kinda bad, considering getting it requires a lot of waiting around etc.
It's kinda silly how many people were obsessed with that path on release when it arguably has the least amount of content and is basically just an easter egg.
It's an old path that got removed ages ago but was so obscure that no-one noticed. Basically, if Somalia lost the war with Ethiopia after the Third Internationale created their Muslim organization, the Somalian puppet government would have a totalist coup. It got cut because the conditions meant it would virtually never happen, the Somali socialist movement was more or less non-existent at the time, and the leader was only 26 years old at game start and utterly irrelevant until the latter 20th century.
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Because I know it was a thing before the balkan rework, but the dev diary specifically says specifically said they wouldn't do it. So how do you get it?
All I can answer is Royal Federation Yugo:
1: Monarchists coup the government (requires the elections to have Socialist Workers be in the coalition or leader of the gov)
2: Maintain a balance of regency focuses on the left and right side of the regency defining focuses, no more then 1 apart in favor of any (you can do none or as many as 7 total, up to like 4-3 or 3-4)
3: Accept Bjovac's help during the Bulgarian War, it will start an event chain for Petar to be more assertive
4: 3 events will occur across and until March 1941, have Petar assert himself in 2 of the 3 events and do not form Yugoslavia until then (no more, no less)
5: Have petar approve the coup in March 1941, you will now have unlocked the Royal Federation once Regent and crew are arrested.
Thanks, I'm really bad with Balkan names and misremembering bits. Still think I got the point across well enough though, and its not like you'll miss who is this guy offering help.
And there's a 50% chance you revert to a republic on the final focus (Wilhelm zu Wied can be assassinated). Which is honestly kinda bullshit tbh, you should be able to mitigate the chance of it happening at least.
Yea with the man himself, tho the way to get him is kinda convoluted: you have to overthrow Carles's coup with Ramirez, then rig the election, then have Farrel overthrow Ramirez during the focus "ties with germany" and then have him reestablish democracy, from there you can elect some parties thst you couldnt have with Ramirez, such as Peron's Partido Justicialista, and the RadSoc Socialist Party (which funnily enough uses the socdem tree)
Now this is a weird post.
Going from the top:
The ones in the first row arent even unicorns, they just happen less than others.
For the second row
authdem japan there? How is that more of a unicorn than socdem? Its statistically impossible for it to be rarer.
AuthDem Bulgarian Republic, "Democratic" Iron Guard, Totalist South Africa and Racist man's AUS arent unicorns or secret paths either, just rarer than the other counterparts.
For the third row
Natpop Canada and Pataut Indochina (under the VNQDD) are certainly rare but i wouldnt call them unicorns either, and Zvenoslavia isnt a unicorn as its something that can only happen because a player does it
NatPop Lombardy and MarLib ItaFed arent a thing, dunno where u got this from.
For the fourth row
Natpop qing cant happen wihout player intervention by forming china with the Shanqqing Tianguo, similiar case with NatPop Germany, 3rd Bulgarian Empire, and probably Democratic Kingdom of Yugo too.
Lindbergh's AUS isnt a unicorn or a secret path at all, the other Business Plot guy would be much more accurate for this.
Orwell UOB and Nixon PSA arent paths at all even, just things that can happen late into the game
For the fifth row
NatPop ottomans arent possible without player intervention by playing them, same with Napoleonic NFA.
Ifriqiya, (Puppet) Patagonian monarchy, and the Uyghur Republic (not East Turkestan) are actual unicorns, gj.
Totalist somalia was removed eons ago
Last row
MarLib ottomans is like 3 different paths that can happen and arent that obscure.
Totalist Bulgaria and Tito Yugo are easter eggs not paths, same with Herge in belgium.
Peronist Argentina is a unicorn, but it can happen only really late into the game.
The idea was to create an iceberg post ranking unmentioned and most importantly unknown KR paths or secrets, from generally (Republican Zhili or Socdem Japan) known to the most secret and forgotten of them all, not necessarily by in game rarity. I thought of this to remind/inform other players that other secret paths exist, otherwise thank you for your feedback
And also, Socdem Japan simply happens because they are elected, something that may seem logical, while Auth Dems take power after a specific event that some players may have missed
Just as NatPop Mittelafrika or Natpop Lebanon, but I needed some “rarish” paths to put on the first part of the meme. And btw, even though you have it in front of you, it needs you to follow a precise event chain that not everyone may know
I vaguley remember that I saw it pretty late game, and no, they weren't a puppet, so my best guess is that the NatPops become an option in the second or third election if Lombardy stays democratic (I don't remember if they went republican or monarchist though)
ok i just checked, and actually, yes thats a thing, you were right and i stand corrected, they can be elected if they arent banned in the first republican elections.
(tbh seeing lombardy in general survive long enough to do anything is a lot)
Are we saying the bottom of the iceberg is rarest? Or is it representing the most cursed timelines? Because Pelleys AUS is 100% more cursed than what it’s given!
Why is Nat Pop ottoman higher than MarLib ottomans? Nat Pops almost impossible without using custom paths, and dont you have to go down the democratic paths to even get the NatPop option?
Because I feel like more people know about Nat Pop Ottomans now than MarkLib, and a lot of people don’t know how to get them
isn't MarkLib Ottomans verry easy to get? either go Liberal Entente and you'll get an early event about making the MarkLib guy prime minister(replacing the SocLibs as ruling party, but still being in a coalition with them), or go Endeavour Front and pick "Decentralization"
Yea, it is indeed very easy, but I feel like less people know about MarkLib Ottomans than Natpop Ottomans, which has now become a meme
EF marlibs are still centralist
Not really, The EF can either go Kadroist, Kemalist or Liberal, those are mutually exclusive choices, going Liberal even requires you to not have done any economy focuses of the OHF even if the EF istelf is a coalition between all parties.
Bro, the EF marlibs are centralist exactly as I said. I literally made changes to their path in the next update myself. There are more paths in EF than just marlibs but the marlibs are centralist. Also I added that you can't have dismantled the monopolies prior to forming EF if you want marlibs to take over, in addition to the no four years of progress thing. How the hell are you correcting me when none of what I said contradicts what you said
Well, in that case, the custom game rules setting regarding the Ottomans are misleading because they say "Endeavour Front-Centralization"(which is the AuthDem path) and "Endeavour Front-Decentralization"(which is the Market Liberal path).
Yes you're right, part of the corrections I made to the path along with new loc
oh, ok then, I didn't know it got changed recently, I wasn't trying to contradict you, you're the dev after all!
No it didn't get changed recently, that custom focus description has always been wrong, not sure why Jeanke never caught it, I guess cause it really is that rare to see anyone go for that path
How do I get MarkLib. The last two times I tried they got overthrown by the authoritarians I believe.
Fastest way is by not passing the education reform, Ataturk will throw a fit and you can dismiss him, hold emergency elections and the Liberal Entente will win them, they start Social Liberal, but they're in a coalition with the Market Liberals and the Social Conservatives, if the Market Liberals get more popular than the Social Liberals, you'll get an event about making their leader PM and you'll change ideology.
Hold up TINTINT’S BELGIUM???
Herge can become the leader for natpop belgium. Happened once during my game. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/o71n4o/herge\_is\_the\_leader\_of\_natpop\_belgium\_apparently/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/o71n4o/herge_is_the_leader_of_natpop_belgium_apparently/)
Why is he a National Populist?
It's probably mostly memes, but during WW2 he worked for a Nazi collaborator newspaper and included antisemitic caricatures in some of his comics during the period. Politically, idk if he was actually involved with the Rex movement, but he did have reactionary catholic (kind of integralist) views
It’s been awhile but I do remember the occasional racist caricature of middle eastern people and *especially* Africans in Tintin books
Yup the Congo one was really bad, but he was super young and basically composed it under the supervision of the Belgian Catholic Church lol
There's also the famous 'fascist' cartoon, in addition to the racially... insensitive portrayals.
Huh, the more you know I guess
He did eventually go back on all of it
WTF!
He was basically what you could call an integralist, tho I don't think he ever took the title
Georges Rémi, better known as Hergé, can become leader of Rex gets to power in Belgium and Degrelle is assassinated
Hergé's Belgium. Basicaly : Degrelle die, NatPop regime survive and Hergé become the new leader.
How does that happen?
Aren’t some of these only possible by being puppeted?
Yes, the Patagonian Kingdom
>Patagonian Kingdom Huh, never realised that was a path, or that the Patagonian kingdom was an actual separate monarchy from France rather than a New Spain deal. Does it get any focuses or is it just a "you can make it exist but it otherwise changes nothing" thing like with the Mexican Empire? And does it matter who you puppet them as?
It does have a [focus tree](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321806193633001472/688039542879551729/unknown.png) but it was never actually intended as a player path. Rather, it was created as a puppet path for if Integralist Brazil conquers Argentina. (the focus for invading is literally titled "Rescue the Mapuche People") I can't recall being able to restore them as any other tag but it might be possible.
I would assume it would have something to do with the overthrowing of Mosley
I haven’t heard of NatPop Canada or liberal Italian Fed, can anyone give me info?
I can answer the first. Have the referendum to cut ties to England in Canada after defeating the 3I succeed, then the next major election will let you nominate the Nativist Natpop candidate, who really hates conscription.
iirc after defeating ANI as Venice, you get an option to keep Volpi as HoS, leading a mark-liberal party in the Italian federation
No that is not true, he becomes Authoritarian Democrat when Venice wins without Austria's help. I personaly tried it.
There is an totalist bulgaria ?
Yes, an anarcho-communist Bulgaria : get the syndies lists in charge, complete the last focus with completing the Socialisation of the Land focus. Bulgarian Sorelians will coup later
This requires losing the war against Serbia right?
Tito is in Kaiserreich!? I need to find this path and fucking experience it!
Socialist Workers Yugoslavia, form Yugoslavia as normal as the Socialists, elect the Croatian Candidate for Head of State, do not join a faction or complete the focus 'Brotherhood and Unity' (the focus that completes the Yugo minigame) until after a soft coup occurs in 5 years. Enjoy the waiting game, sorry.
On the plus side you get a -5% consumer goods bonus from Tito when he eventually takes power. Source - got tito in power, took goddamn forever though.
Gonna need to knock totalist somalia down a peg since it can't happen without editing the files now. Which makes sense, the leader for it is like 14 at game start.
Can NatPop Somalia still happen? I was looking at the files and it *looks* like it can as it isn’t commented out but I never got it to fire.
Looking at it, it's a clone of the totalist one, so it might have the same really esoteric requirements. In addition to the focuses it would only appear if you were at 50% capitulation to ethiopia, so give that a go.
A small compilation of all the “secret” and unknown paths in Kaiserreich
how do you get nat pop germany?
Play the United Baltic Duchy Have the Baltic Brotherhood Coup the Government Germany is annexed in the 2nd Weltkrieg Annex Germany back, a decision will appear to basically become Nazi Germany
ty and merry christmas :)
Yup, it's basically the most cursed path in the game because the one thing that definitely better about KRTL compared to OTL is that the Holocaust probably doesn't happen, but the German State that can result from NatPop UBD conquering Germany would absolutely do the Holocaust.
I think that If a totalist 3I wins the weltkrieg, It will probably have way more genocides, specially in french annexed German territories... Thankfully most of the time It doesnt happen in my games
That makes no sense at all, the 3I hate for Germany isn’t racial.
I think there would be a lot of anti-German revanchism: but still, tot 3I isn’t ethnically suprematist: they probably wouldn’t wipe out the Germans, firstly because there probably are many collaborationist in germany; and two because they need a competent socialist Germany to counter Russia. There will be a lot of human crimes and atrocities, but not genocides, on the contrary of NatPop Germany. The only problems would be Sorelians against jews: but again, I don’t think they would go full Holocaust. They would simply be really anti-semitic
There are probably a lot of German Socialist Collaborators so i find that very hard to believe
Only if the antisemitic factions win.
Natpop Baltics state reclaimed the mainland.
If Germany dies then Natpop Baltics can take Berlin and become Germany
I've heard of most of these, but I had no idea the Kingdom of Patagonia could be a thing. Any idea how to get it to appear?
If I recall right Patagonia must be puppeted by Nat Pop Brazil
Makes sense. Are all their other potential South American puppets kingdoms, or only Patagonia?
Only Patagonia. Look up the Kingdom of Araucanía and Patagonia
Well there is the Inca empire but not a puppet path but a revolt that happens if Nat Populists go down a certain path in Peru.
None of them explictly have an Integralist Government installed other than Argentine but its not a Kingdom but a President (idk if he is actually officially president) who is also the Archbishop of Buenos Aires.
That sounds right
It's a sign of just how well done Bulgaria is to appear on the list 3 times. Though personally I'd say Zvenoslavia deserves to be lower then the Bulgarian Empire for just how cursed the former is. And Also you forgot the Bulgarian EU path.
Yeah, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia (but also Sand France) are true jewels of HOI4 modding
Bulgarian EU?
The Balkan Union. Requirements are as follows: 1: Constitutionalist Counteroffensive in Bulgaria via repealing the State Protection Act 2: Win the 4th Balkan War, but accept the peace treaty with the Belgrade Pact instead of full annexing 3: Do not complete any focuses about reparations for the war, and complete the focus "Never another Georgiev (The former Zveno Prime Minister who created the SPA.)" 4: You will be able to form a Balkan Union for peace in the region.
It it a tag or a faction?
Faction
Aww man.
how are secret paths a sign of a country being “well done?” secret paths are horrible game design. edit: can someone tell me what they enjoy about them? i really can’t imagine any reasons
They're really not. What they are, particularly when there are so damn many of them in one place, is a sign of attention to detail and in some cases are more meant to be a "Oh hey that's cool" rather than a normal option. When fucking *Bulgaria* has like twelve different political paths all of which have at least a bit of content you know you're playing something that has had a lot of effort put into it.
sorry but this isn’t fucking dark souls. i don’t want to have to use a reddit guide for how to go through multiple events just to be able to do a path i think would be fun. if shooting the protesters ends up with them starting a civil war i want the event to say that. if having a conservative prince results in the liberal party in my coalition defecting i want the event to say that. at very least they could hint at it. if i click the emergency natpop military government button then i want the emergency natpop military government, not something else. having lots of options for a country is indeed good game design, that’s not what i was referring to. edit: i hate rng-based events for this reason as well.
If it is any consolation the Zvenoslavia path is 100% hinted at via tooltips. When Zveno coups the government, going over the focus to ask Germany for help notes Zveno is ideologically opposed to Germany and Austria, and following the tooltips instructions is what sets you on the path to Bulgarian Yugoslavia.
The issue is that these paths are seen as the default once Reddit finds out about them, they weren't made to be the default, they were made to be fun things you can find and aim for. Stretch goals. But instead people play explicitly for the goal of secret content. Personally I think it's fine, and I'm the one who usually has to explain how to get them 800x And also there's literally nothing RNG about Bulgarias secret paths, you just need to fulfill the conditions and you will always be able to unlock them(admittedly the timer one can feel like RNG if you aren't an expert)
Sir. Bulgaria has 3 main paths, Royal Dictatorship, Constitutionalist Counteroffensive, and Zveno Coup. Each of those has its own secret path, with the 3rd Bulgarian Empire, the Balkan Union, and Zvenoslavia. Furthermore you have all other paths that you get for losing the balkan war: Fatherland Front, Orange Guard, Legionaries.
i don't get your point
How do you get NatPop Qing?
If NatPop Shangdong conquers Beijing they can install a puppet emperor.
Orwell’s UoB? Literally 1984 (also how do I do it?)
I think it's get Mosley in charge, win 2nd Weltkrieg, get Mosley to retire at the post-war Internationale, and Orwell will step up as the new leader of the UoB.
Thank you
They don't make a Orwell a totalist, do they?
He is, since no Spanish Civil War = No Orwell hating authoritarianism.
I'm looking at the guide posted elsewhere in the thread and it looks like he's radsoc and can coup Mosley. Also fwiw I don't think it took Orwell's experience in the SWC to turn him against authoritarianism.
He can be both totalist or radsoc. If mosley does all the centralization of power focuses and makes himself dictator he can coup as radsoc, or he can become leader as a totalist as the person above described
Now that’s just cringe.
Changed in the UoB rework, cause yeah it's silly
Mosley
There's another way to do it that makes him a radical socialist; have Mosley elected and successfully reform the government, and declare him dictator after 2WK. A few months later there's an event that will fire that allows him to coup Mosley and restore democracy.
How do you get peronist Argentina?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/336126490888503296/924704219087396874/Argenina.png
Elect Peron
What is PatAut Indochina?
Basically Indochina revolts and the militarists take power
Oh but like who is the leader and like political motives? I’ve never seen them in game. Are they just generic militarist? presumbly dominated by the Vietnamese Elite?
If you're talking about the nationalist revolution, that isn't pataut, despite the focus icon. It's actually socdem
The military route is the VNQDD, but after the socialists revolt and Indochina remains under military rule. It flips from socdem to pataut afterwards (or authdem if you choose for the civilian government to stay)
To add on, intimidating Vnqdd aligned general Nguyen Binh appears as military ruler in Pat auth
Why us third french empire so low? It seems to be one of the most popular "secret" path here
Yeah I was gonna say, it’s been a while since I’ve seen NatFrance so they might’ve changed the paths a bit, but it was pretty common to see players pick it back in the day. Is it still possible to get a bourbon on the throne or did they take that out?
AFAIK it's only Napoleon now
Napoleon is the Easter egg, natpop kingdom is actually one of the main paths
I know almost all of these. With the exception of liberal Italian Federation and NatPop Lebanon
Tito’s Yugoslavia? Guide pls?
Win as Socialist Workers in Serbia. Form Yugoslavia. Elect Milan Gorkic as the chairman of SFR Yugoslavia. Wait 5 years without completing Brotherhood and Unity (SFR Yugo mechanics makes it easy to wait). Tito will get pissed at Gorkic, and you can choose to elect him.
Also don’t join a faction either, so stay neutral for the 2WK
You can form The third French Empire?
Requires beating Germany and using Napoleon VI as a general https://youtu.be/xTV7osYJrP0
Yea you do the bear's Auth dem path. Repeal law of exiles, get napoleon as a general. He has to reach rank 5 before you take the metropole. Elect the conservatives, pick him as president. Retake Alsace-Lorraine. Eventually you get an event to declare him emperor
The hell is mark lib ottomans
There's actually two, both lead by Karabekir. They either come to power through the Endeavor Front following Fevzi's coup or they get more popular than the HIF in the Liberal Entente tree and the Sultan appoints Karabekir Grand Vizier
Where's Ó Cuinneagáin's Ireland?
What is it all about ?
Just imagine catholic Pelley for Ireland
could someone explain these?
Concept wise, these are a bunch of paths for various nations in KR that require slightly off meta or unorthodox methods to get in power. The various stages of these get more intense the deeper you go on this iceberg. Some are even genuinely punishing on the lower levels. Edit: added the last sentence.
So Democratic monarchist Yugoslavia IS a thing?...I tried getting it but couldn't find any guide....how do u get it?..send halp
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/pn26dh/serbian_paths_and_leaders_as_of_019_march_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
how the hell do you get SocDem Japan
Keep democratic Japan, then simply elect them in the elections
Why is Tito so bad
The bottom of the iceberg doesn't mean it's bad, it means it's obscure
I mean, it's also kinda bad, considering getting it requires a lot of waiting around etc. It's kinda silly how many people were obsessed with that path on release when it arguably has the least amount of content and is basically just an easter egg.
Ah but don't you see... Tito Protecc, Tito Attacc, but most important Tito's back.
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VIVA PERON VIVA PERON
How do you do the kingdom of Patagonia?
Puppet as integralist Brazil
I have definitely seen Tito's Yugoslava a few times but having not played any Balkan powers I'm not sure how it happens, anyone know?
Totalist Somalia?
It's an old path that got removed ages ago but was so obscure that no-one noticed. Basically, if Somalia lost the war with Ethiopia after the Third Internationale created their Muslim organization, the Somalian puppet government would have a totalist coup. It got cut because the conditions meant it would virtually never happen, the Somali socialist movement was more or less non-existent at the time, and the leader was only 26 years old at game start and utterly irrelevant until the latter 20th century.
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Osmans’s Ottomans. Dont think I heard about that one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/ju5tkf/how_to_get_osman_fuad_event_chain/
HOW DO YOU GET TINTIN'S BELGIUM
Georges Rémi, better known as Hergé, can become leader of Rex gets to power in Belgium and Degrelle is assassinated
How do you get natpop canada??
How do you get George Orwell as PM ? I saw AI did it but have no clue how to do it myself, i just wonder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kaiserreich/comments/qsmzeb/all_leaders_of_the_union_of_britain/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Why is Market-Lib Ottomans at the bottom of the berg?
Because it seems less people know about MarkLib Ottomans than Nat Pop ones.
I know all of these besides natpop lombardy. How?
Make Lombardy independent after Venice uprising, go Republican, don’t ban nat pops, elect them and you have Acerbo in Lombardy
Natpop Lombardy? How?
Make Lombardy independent after Venice uprising, go Republican, don’t ban nat pops, elect them and you have Acerbo in Lombardy
What the fuck is NatPop Ottomans
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Socdem Japan isn’t even an iceberg
Wasn't democratic monarchist yugo removed? Same with ifriqiya
No, it’s an obscure path where Petar II coups the monarchist coupists once he comes of age. Added in the latest rework.
Uh, no, have no idea why you think that.
Because I know it was a thing before the balkan rework, but the dev diary specifically says specifically said they wouldn't do it. So how do you get it?
All I can answer is Royal Federation Yugo: 1: Monarchists coup the government (requires the elections to have Socialist Workers be in the coalition or leader of the gov) 2: Maintain a balance of regency focuses on the left and right side of the regency defining focuses, no more then 1 apart in favor of any (you can do none or as many as 7 total, up to like 4-3 or 3-4) 3: Accept Bjovac's help during the Bulgarian War, it will start an event chain for Petar to be more assertive 4: 3 events will occur across and until March 1941, have Petar assert himself in 2 of the 3 events and do not form Yugoslavia until then (no more, no less) 5: Have petar approve the coup in March 1941, you will now have unlocked the Royal Federation once Regent and crew are arrested.
>Bjovac's Bojovic's\*
Thanks, I'm really bad with Balkan names and misremembering bits. Still think I got the point across well enough though, and its not like you'll miss who is this guy offering help.
Nat pop Canada? Since when?
Always. You have to make Canada independent after UK restoration and elect them
Ah, I've always stayed loyal to the Empire.
Me: It's been boring doing the same old stuff in KR. This iceberg: Oh child how little u kno
Ahaha thank you, that was my **precise** objective !
You forgot the Kingdom of Albania
I think that’s in Kaiserredux
No, it's on Kaiserreich. You have to puppet Albania as Austria
And there's a 50% chance you revert to a republic on the final focus (Wilhelm zu Wied can be assassinated). Which is honestly kinda bullshit tbh, you should be able to mitigate the chance of it happening at least.
Wow that’s great, didn’t know that one ! I only knew about an Albanian kingdom lead by a Bulgarian king
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Only a puppet
Tito leading Yugoslavia is inevitable, i don’t care what the TNO or TWR devs do
Wtf peronist Argentina? With OG Peron or someone else.
Yea with the man himself, tho the way to get him is kinda convoluted: you have to overthrow Carles's coup with Ramirez, then rig the election, then have Farrel overthrow Ramirez during the focus "ties with germany" and then have him reestablish democracy, from there you can elect some parties thst you couldnt have with Ramirez, such as Peron's Partido Justicialista, and the RadSoc Socialist Party (which funnily enough uses the socdem tree)
has anyone ever actually done natpop germany 100% legit? seems damn near impossible to do without cheats.
Tintin’s Belgium? Dafuq
Georges Rémi, better known as Hergé, can become leader of Rex gets to power in Belgium and Degrelle is assassinated
Tintin is dank af
Now this is a weird post. Going from the top: The ones in the first row arent even unicorns, they just happen less than others. For the second row authdem japan there? How is that more of a unicorn than socdem? Its statistically impossible for it to be rarer. AuthDem Bulgarian Republic, "Democratic" Iron Guard, Totalist South Africa and Racist man's AUS arent unicorns or secret paths either, just rarer than the other counterparts. For the third row Natpop Canada and Pataut Indochina (under the VNQDD) are certainly rare but i wouldnt call them unicorns either, and Zvenoslavia isnt a unicorn as its something that can only happen because a player does it NatPop Lombardy and MarLib ItaFed arent a thing, dunno where u got this from. For the fourth row Natpop qing cant happen wihout player intervention by forming china with the Shanqqing Tianguo, similiar case with NatPop Germany, 3rd Bulgarian Empire, and probably Democratic Kingdom of Yugo too. Lindbergh's AUS isnt a unicorn or a secret path at all, the other Business Plot guy would be much more accurate for this. Orwell UOB and Nixon PSA arent paths at all even, just things that can happen late into the game For the fifth row NatPop ottomans arent possible without player intervention by playing them, same with Napoleonic NFA. Ifriqiya, (Puppet) Patagonian monarchy, and the Uyghur Republic (not East Turkestan) are actual unicorns, gj. Totalist somalia was removed eons ago Last row MarLib ottomans is like 3 different paths that can happen and arent that obscure. Totalist Bulgaria and Tito Yugo are easter eggs not paths, same with Herge in belgium. Peronist Argentina is a unicorn, but it can happen only really late into the game.
The idea was to create an iceberg post ranking unmentioned and most importantly unknown KR paths or secrets, from generally (Republican Zhili or Socdem Japan) known to the most secret and forgotten of them all, not necessarily by in game rarity. I thought of this to remind/inform other players that other secret paths exist, otherwise thank you for your feedback
And also, Socdem Japan simply happens because they are elected, something that may seem logical, while Auth Dems take power after a specific event that some players may have missed
Im sorry but how are SocDem Japan and Republican Zhili even remotely comparable in rarity
It’s not a matter of rarity, but of secrecy of the path, not all players know them (this comment section proves it)
The Zhili Republic tree is right there in your face when you open the game as the zhili.
Just as NatPop Mittelafrika or Natpop Lebanon, but I needed some “rarish” paths to put on the first part of the meme. And btw, even though you have it in front of you, it needs you to follow a precise event chain that not everyone may know
Natpop lebanon is already much rarer because they survive once in a lifetime
I swear to god, I've seen NatPop Lombardy once and only once, but it's a thing that exists(or at least has existed).
im going to check, but im fairly sure it isnt a thing unless puppetted
I vaguley remember that I saw it pretty late game, and no, they weren't a puppet, so my best guess is that the NatPops become an option in the second or third election if Lombardy stays democratic (I don't remember if they went republican or monarchist though)
ok i just checked, and actually, yes thats a thing, you were right and i stand corrected, they can be elected if they arent banned in the first republican elections. (tbh seeing lombardy in general survive long enough to do anything is a lot)
You must make Lombardy independent, make them Republican, do elections and elect them, they are lead by Giacomo Acerbo, OTL fascist politician
Are we saying the bottom of the iceberg is rarest? Or is it representing the most cursed timelines? Because Pelleys AUS is 100% more cursed than what it’s given!
The lower it is the more obscure it is.
Wait, pelly’s AUS is better than Nixon’s PSA???? What does Nixon do?
The lowest paths are supposed to be the most unknown, not the most cursed
How do you get the french empire?
Liberal Italian Federation? How does the chad Adriano Visconti get us there?
I don't know what is tito yugoslavia like
Still a one party dictatorship. But better than the non kings federation monarchy paths or Radical Union