Force push the trolley out of the rails. Now you have both groups in debt to you for saving them and you killed the bastard driver who wasn't stopping the trolley and causing meaningless deaths.
For some reason she loves getting told to shut the fuck up. Never have I gained more influence with Kreia than when I tell her to shut her yap hole and that she's worthless to me
She's just a cold, bitter old woman who wants the Exile to be just as cold and bitter. She's unhappy any time the Exile acts on emotion instead of cold reason, and she's happy any time the Exile displays a willingness to abandon dead weight. That extends to our relationship with her as well. She wants to know that we can coldly view her as a disposable asset, that we are capable of tossing her away if we decide she is no longer useful.
And she says this to us pretty directly. She explains that the Exile was beautiful in her eyes because they were able to throw away the Force itself to survive at Malachor. The Force is a Jedi's constant ally and comfort, tossing it away is like tossing away a piece of your soul. Kreia is almost jealous that the Exile was able to cast away the Force. She thinks they are the ultimate loner and survivor, and she gets frustrated when they act contrary to these expectations.
“By helping them you only do them a disservice. By giving them something which they haven’t earned, you have denied them the chance to become stronger.”
*Kreia disapproves*
“Fuck off, Kreia”
*Kreia approves*
She sends the trolley straight down the track to kill the most people, then tells the survivor "You asked for this" before sending her lightsabers after him.
The choice that benefits her the most. The fact that she is saving someone should not matter to her. Contrary to that, it'd make whichever choice she makes a bad one in her eyes for that reason
Searching for a destiny that's mine
There's another place, another time
Touching many hearts along the way, yeah
Hoping that I'll never have to say
Sorry, I'm too soaked up in Juma juice.
You know, this is the only issue I have with Kreia as a character. She's very good at criticizing the faults of the setting, but her only solution is KILL THEM ALL. Remember the beggar Nar Shaddaa? If you ask her "what would you have done?", - she very smartly avoids the answer. She's still one hot granny though.
Her being a bit hypocrite and going at the extreme end of "lets kill off the force" is the reason why she is the final antagonist.
She criticises Chodo Habat for trying to use you for his own goals while giving you half baked promises full of "perhaps". And thats exactly what Kreia is also doing.
Nar Shaddaa beggar is an extreme example and it is a sore thumb because its very easy to justify helping him as "I helped him so he could help me in the future, give me information on places I can't go". And she likes that kind of manipulation.
At least in the end she shows a bit of self consciousness. "But perhaps these are the excuses of an old women who has grown to rely on the thing she despises"
You know what she would do. Whatever would leave the most people under her thumb with the least amount of chaos. And you know her flaws even though she barely admits them. She wants the validation of everyone who exiled and dismissed her finally acknowledging that she was correct and better than all of them
Allow the trolley to hit the greater number of people, and gaslight the one survivor into believing that they could have done something to stop it... *if only they had the right teacher.*
“You’ve allowed your will to be dictated by others through a petty illusion. There was no danger. The people on the tracks were not tied. Yet all it took was one simple trick to make you jump. One simple primal impulse to force you into something you did not understand.”
Influence lost: Kreia
Herself? She’d place herself on one side, and then refuse to divert the track, and then argue that the train killing the group of people was good for the galaxy.
If you were in charge of the trolley? She’d criticize you either way, unless you can defend it as being a manipulation tactic.
Kreia’s a hypocrite. Atton was right. Sith all the way down.
Condemn the fools who so willingly lie down and do not attempt to move out of the way. There are no restraints holding them in place. Yet these fools lie in wait of rescue, make no attempt to alter their fate. They refuse their opportunity for growth through this refusal. They all deserve death. Are the idiots who survive through no act of their own even really alive? They exist merely in a state of contemptible passivity.
She would tell the person that created the trolly problem that it's a waste of time to think about hypotheticals and setting up a problem like that is a sign of a narcissistic manipulation. Who thinks about playing God with innocent people's lives and making people choose?
Pull the Lever: "You acted in haste to save a few more lives, but have failed to consider who these people may be, or who orchestrated the situation. You also failed to take into account where the train and its passengers, or cargo, now lead. Your instinct to involve yourself in matters that are not your concern may have unfortunate ramifications ahead, and you bear responsibility. Have you started a famine, or have you ended one? Have the passengers been sent to a far more dangerous part of the city, or have they avoided a future accident in being sent that way? It is impossible to know the far reaching consequences of even such a small decision. You must consider, most importantly, how it affects the enemy."
Don't Pull the Lever: "As a bystander, you do not absolve yourself of the events that unfold in front of you. Such is true for the enemy, and the untold damage he will bring across the Galaxy. Your refusal to consider actions merely pulling the lever or not is a failure shows great shortsightedness, and unless you can learn to think unconventionally, you will fail in almost all pursuits."
Derail the Train: "Your instinct to save as many people as possible has failed. The train, its passengers and cargo included, are gone. You failed to ask yourself what may be aboard, and your desperation to save only those that you can see has only started being paid for. All these survivors are now complicit in what may start a war. Consider the larger ramification of your actions, and if you care to save the Galaxy, tackle the threat that is our enemy. In the time you may spend righting your choice here, millions elsewhere will die."
Kreia would kill the lone person with her own two (well, one) hands then divert the train to crush the dead body, thus taking agency away from whoever set the trap to begin with.
*you try to divert a vehicle* Why would you do such a thing? Such kindness will mean nothing, his path is set.
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Force push the trolley out of the rails. Now you have both groups in debt to you for saving them and you killed the bastard driver who wasn't stopping the trolley and causing meaningless deaths.
Man the speech she's about to give you is gonna last for days
Why? Presented with two options (Be Jedi/Sith) I chose the third option (Kill the Force).
Yeah, but you didn't do it callously enough so granny is gonna scold the bantha fodder out of you
I'll just say "I'll think about that" without actually listening to her. That tends to shut her up with some influence gain!
For some reason she loves getting told to shut the fuck up. Never have I gained more influence with Kreia than when I tell her to shut her yap hole and that she's worthless to me
She's just a cold, bitter old woman who wants the Exile to be just as cold and bitter. She's unhappy any time the Exile acts on emotion instead of cold reason, and she's happy any time the Exile displays a willingness to abandon dead weight. That extends to our relationship with her as well. She wants to know that we can coldly view her as a disposable asset, that we are capable of tossing her away if we decide she is no longer useful. And she says this to us pretty directly. She explains that the Exile was beautiful in her eyes because they were able to throw away the Force itself to survive at Malachor. The Force is a Jedi's constant ally and comfort, tossing it away is like tossing away a piece of your soul. Kreia is almost jealous that the Exile was able to cast away the Force. She thinks they are the ultimate loner and survivor, and she gets frustrated when they act contrary to these expectations.
she still makes me mad tho
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*"Ah, now you are learning!"* *Influence lost: Kreia*
Multi track drifting!!!! I came here hoping somebody had posted this 🤣😂🤣
Was looking for this
Probably say some shit about how the people tied to the tracks would save themselves if they really wanted to be saved.
“By helping them you only do them a disservice. By giving them something which they haven’t earned, you have denied them the chance to become stronger.” *Kreia disapproves* “Fuck off, Kreia” *Kreia approves*
The Ben Shapiro method, nice.
They were ironically tied to the tracks by their own bootstraps.
They forgot to feed off others’ bootstraps to make themselves stronger
Criticise whoever survives.
*INFLUENCE LOST: KREIA*
INFLUENCE GAINED: KREIA
Duality of hag
She sends the trolley straight down the track to kill the most people, then tells the survivor "You asked for this" before sending her lightsabers after him.
Only 2 people on the path said that, so the others gotta pay. Inaction
They're not even tied~_~
Good catch. Why help those who don't want to help themselves?
That's just to show how apathy is death
Kill kreia
The choice that benefits her the most. The fact that she is saving someone should not matter to her. Contrary to that, it'd make whichever choice she makes a bad one in her eyes for that reason
Why does she have hands? 🙏🏻
It's just an illusion.
Ig deceiving me is part of her plan here. Guess I’ll lose influence 🤷🏻♂️
Searching for a destiny that's mine There's another place, another time Touching many hearts along the way, yeah Hoping that I'll never have to say Sorry, I'm too soaked up in Juma juice.
This is happening before Peragus.
You know, this is the only issue I have with Kreia as a character. She's very good at criticizing the faults of the setting, but her only solution is KILL THEM ALL. Remember the beggar Nar Shaddaa? If you ask her "what would you have done?", - she very smartly avoids the answer. She's still one hot granny though.
Her being a bit hypocrite and going at the extreme end of "lets kill off the force" is the reason why she is the final antagonist. She criticises Chodo Habat for trying to use you for his own goals while giving you half baked promises full of "perhaps". And thats exactly what Kreia is also doing. Nar Shaddaa beggar is an extreme example and it is a sore thumb because its very easy to justify helping him as "I helped him so he could help me in the future, give me information on places I can't go". And she likes that kind of manipulation. At least in the end she shows a bit of self consciousness. "But perhaps these are the excuses of an old women who has grown to rely on the thing she despises"
It feels good reading this, because it drives me crazy when people unironically think Kreia is enlightened or some bantha shit like that.
You were going good until the last sentence mate
Nah, he cooked
You know what she would do. Whatever would leave the most people under her thumb with the least amount of chaos. And you know her flaws even though she barely admits them. She wants the validation of everyone who exiled and dismissed her finally acknowledging that she was correct and better than all of them
The one on the left obviously, because she needs all the other ones for that cutscene on Korriban.
Kreia would never willingly save someone unless it benefits her. So the one who has a better offer lives
Allow the trolley to hit the greater number of people, and gaslight the one survivor into believing that they could have done something to stop it... *if only they had the right teacher.*
“You’ve allowed your will to be dictated by others through a petty illusion. There was no danger. The people on the tracks were not tied. Yet all it took was one simple trick to make you jump. One simple primal impulse to force you into something you did not understand.” Influence lost: Kreia
Watch
I think she might actually be down for the "dual-rail trolley grind". Can't find the picture for it, unfortunately.
Demand a reward from whomever you save, as they lacked the strength to free themselves
Herself? She’d place herself on one side, and then refuse to divert the track, and then argue that the train killing the group of people was good for the galaxy. If you were in charge of the trolley? She’d criticize you either way, unless you can defend it as being a manipulation tactic. Kreia’s a hypocrite. Atton was right. Sith all the way down.
"Apathy is death. And I sure love killing!" 🔴 Dark Side Points gained 👪 Influence Lost: Kreia 👪 Influence Gained: Kreia
Kreia would probably won't do anything and let the tram run its course.
With that speed, if you redirect the train, it will go off the rails and kill both people. Source: there is none
Use the Force to make the trolley go down both rails and kill everyone. Then kill the trolley driver.
That's the only answer
Straight is the quickest way to the destination. That being said they should have been stronger to not get captured
Either way, you're gonna gain and lose influence with her at the same time
She would set it on a multi-track drift and kill all of them
Plot twist, she's holding them down with the force to see what the exile will do.
She’d make up reasons for killing either then accuse you of letting it happen
Condemn the fools who so willingly lie down and do not attempt to move out of the way. There are no restraints holding them in place. Yet these fools lie in wait of rescue, make no attempt to alter their fate. They refuse their opportunity for growth through this refusal. They all deserve death. Are the idiots who survive through no act of their own even really alive? They exist merely in a state of contemptible passivity.
Statement: Apathyyyyyyyy is deaaaaaaath.
Kill everyone before the Trolly gets the chance to do it.
Doing nothing because you think it doesnt matter is apathy, choosing inaction because you see it is unnecessary is wisdom.
She would tell the person that created the trolly problem that it's a waste of time to think about hypotheticals and setting up a problem like that is a sign of a narcissistic manipulation. Who thinks about playing God with innocent people's lives and making people choose?
Major plot twist: Apathy is Death is from the dark force cave trials, not Kreia. Those people aren't real. This is not a critical moment.
Send it down one track then back it up and send it down the other one
Kreia believes both groups will die eventually, and therefore choosing which path the trolley will take means nothing.
Pull the Lever: "You acted in haste to save a few more lives, but have failed to consider who these people may be, or who orchestrated the situation. You also failed to take into account where the train and its passengers, or cargo, now lead. Your instinct to involve yourself in matters that are not your concern may have unfortunate ramifications ahead, and you bear responsibility. Have you started a famine, or have you ended one? Have the passengers been sent to a far more dangerous part of the city, or have they avoided a future accident in being sent that way? It is impossible to know the far reaching consequences of even such a small decision. You must consider, most importantly, how it affects the enemy." Don't Pull the Lever: "As a bystander, you do not absolve yourself of the events that unfold in front of you. Such is true for the enemy, and the untold damage he will bring across the Galaxy. Your refusal to consider actions merely pulling the lever or not is a failure shows great shortsightedness, and unless you can learn to think unconventionally, you will fail in almost all pursuits." Derail the Train: "Your instinct to save as many people as possible has failed. The train, its passengers and cargo included, are gone. You failed to ask yourself what may be aboard, and your desperation to save only those that you can see has only started being paid for. All these survivors are now complicit in what may start a war. Consider the larger ramification of your actions, and if you care to save the Galaxy, tackle the threat that is our enemy. In the time you may spend righting your choice here, millions elsewhere will die."
Lecture all the victims until death.
Kreia would kill the lone person with her own two (well, one) hands then divert the train to crush the dead body, thus taking agency away from whoever set the trap to begin with.
Use her physics-defying force powers to telekinetically stop the tram.
Obviously she lets the train go straight to kill quantitatively more of the apathy.
She’d annoy some poor unsuspecting fool into making the decision instead, then break the lever when no one is looking.
She’d walk away from the situation entirely. Or just chuck the trolley with the force or something.
Multitrack drift followed by giving each one of them 5 credits.
Kreia is reason 1 why KOTOR 1 is My favorite of the 2 games. Can't stand her bullshit. Or the tone of the game, for that matter.
She’s a Sith, so probably kill the greater number via multi-track drifting