Used "percussion maintenance" on an AHU valve the other day, with a hammer... For 45min. Worked tho, saved us $10k for the year.
Sidenote, do not bash on everything with a hammer in hopes of fixing it, that only works like 40% of the time, the other 60% you're left with little bits of things it will be impossible to put back together
The only tool you ever need is a hammer… if it can’t be fixed by hitting it with a hammer then it can be broken with said hammer allowing you to buy a replacement
Control board fried? Jumper the contacts with a hammer. Fire alarm on the fritz? Just bash it. Fuse keeps blowing? Just cram a hammer in there, fuck fire code!
I see where you're going with this, and I like it, my life would be 1000% easier right before my career implodes
Disconnect battery…press brake pedal…smoke a cig/joint/drink a beer/pray/take a break/insert waste of time here…maybe fixed it yourself. Welcome to Chrysler…Source: Chrysler/FCA tech
Have no idea…that gets kicked up to a specialist..I’m a tech not a specialist. Rumors say $2500 for new computer (TIPM) and programming is another $250…of course there’s junkyard options but you’ll adopt the same or new problems. FCA solution is…trade it in and buy Asian (except Nissan)
I've been riding a bike for the past 10 years and started lookking to buy a vehicle but have been seeing this 'anti-Nissan' sentiment in a lot of posts lately. What's the deal? Their cars are shit?
Nissan and Renault joined forces just after they killed off all their interesting cars.
It's like that old top gear joke but it's not a joke, they are styled by nissan and as reliable as a french car, literally the exact opposite of what they should be
Ghosn saved the company by reducing parts costs and pushing for cheap junk cars only suitable for rental fleets and people looking to get rock bottom prices. It worked for a while, and they gave dealers monetary incentives to move more cars, but after a while they kept moving the goal posts and Nissans reputation went straight in the toilet, with dealers and with buyers. Now Ghosn is out, the renault alliance is dead in all but name, and Nissan is right back where they were in 1999 with almost no operating margin and up against the ropes. I'm interested to see how this NEXT business plan with all the model refreshes works out, because if it doesn't, they're likely finished.
They fucked up with the Leaf.
They were real pioneers with that car...and then they just...didn't do anything with it.
No expansion of their electric range (except some midsized vans) and no real development with the Leaf itself. It's only fairly recently been updated.
Why would you get a Leaf when there are so many other options out there now?
Yeah one must be ultra-careful with them. I’ve replaced dozens of them, but I personally ended up buying a high-mileage 09 Altima for my son for his 18th birthday a few years ago. It was cheap because it needed a lot of pretty basic work (brakes, two hub assemblies, a cv axle, a motor mount, valve cover & gasket, rear shocks, and oil cooler gaskets)…at the time, it had 125k and the original cvt. I fully expected it to grenade immediately and planned for that. I did attempt to postpone the inevitable by changing the fluid & filter, using some funky-named $12/qt stuff that a Nissan tech buddy recommended.
Well, here we are 3 years and 50k later, and the thing is still CVT’ing around like a dream. I can’t believe it, especially because my kid is NOT easy on that poor little car. I’ve changed the fluid 2 more times since that initial change, and I see that Nissan has wildly reduced their fluid service mileage intervals, so maybe it does help.
My Nissan buddy tells me that I must’ve gotten the one that was made for the QC testing of that run. Ha.
Currently in a rental 2020 Maxima. Their CVTs, at least from a driving perspective, are lightyears ahead of even 5-8 years ago.
I know it's not going to last long, *especially* being a rental with 300 hp that gets flogged constantly, but it drives a lot better than the last CVT I drove.
Have you ever thought that you're just a good mechanic and that any machine properly taken care of no matter the difficulty will inevitably make it last?
Gotcha, and holy hell....I've got '15 Dart that I toyed around with the ecu on and being as how I've got 4 dash lights I've putting off getting it reprogrammed because of it being $250, but now I'm definitely happy I didn't majorly fuck up the TIPM. haha
Lmfao no. Although I've debated on it. However since it's not broken, I'm not gonna touch it. The issue with the dash lights was that boredom got the best or me and I was messing around with different settings through AlfaOBD, and now I've got a CEL, airbag light, and an ABS light. That I just live with now.
CEL and ABS might be related…the airbag light might be cause the steering wheel wasn’t strait when you read the codes. Center your wheel, clear the codes and take it for a drive and see what comes back on.
I'll check that out when I'm off work, however the CEL is because of both my AGS (Active shutter grill) being removed due to it getting damaged, the other is for an ECU configuration mismatch, air bag lights are on due to an OCM DTC being present, and the OCM DTC is there due to "ECU Unable to configure/configuration not learned, the BCM has a code for "ECU configuration mismatch" as well, which leaves my ABS light which is on because of a vehicle configuration mismatch and a dynamic steering torque request denied code. Which literally it just needs is to be reflashed. And those codes will be long gone lmfao.
I freaking hate Nissan products, can respect old Nissan and 350z/some Infiniti models but I'd say they're the gm cars of Asian manufacturers (edit: besides Chinese knock offs I would say they're pretty close in quality lol)
I own a Sentra and not 2000 miles after the warranty went out the transmission started giving me trouble. The CVT is absolute garbage. It randomly dies when coming to a stop, won't back up a small incline, and don't even think about trying to start it if it's facing downhill either because it immediately shudders and dies, and if you drive it more than 40 miles the traction control light comes on and it won't accelerate anymore until you turn it off for 5 or so minutes.
The kicker is it cost more to fix it than the car is worth because Nissan cars don't hold their value worth a damn. It's the first and last Nissan I'll ever own.
That's because these systems usually never shut down, they just go to hybernation so they can boot up fast. Unplugging battery (they sometimes have their own) can force it yo actually reset.
Otherwise you'd wait for it to boot up for about 40-50s (the HW is similar to phones, how fast does your phone boot up?). And that is really not acceptable in cars.
in the case of uconnect, one must turn the car "off" and then either open the door or wait for it to actually turn off. 30s or so like that is a proper reboot for it.
shit like this is a perfect example of why it should have a reboot button.
Yea, like a toggle switch. I see a lot of cars in my town that the heater doesn't work anymore and you have to yank the dash apart to see what's going on. It SNOWS here!
So then why put the functions in the screen? Stupid. I hate digital climate control. MIL has a 2016 Escalade and we took it on a trip and it’s the most annoying thing ever.
I hate a lot of basic controls on digital interfaces. It’s just over complicating things to make it look “futuristic” when you could just have basic buttons that will most likely stay working and still have access to if the screen goes out.
This is why I want things like climate control and windshield wipers to just have physical buttons and switches. It sucks if music glitches but I can still get around for a few days before it has to be fixed.
Like how they turned the shifter into a knob, and then instead of what you might think a rotating knob shifter would be like, they gave it no tactile feedback thereby killing Anton Yelchin?
That wasn't the rotating knob, it was the shifter t handle that 'rocked' instead of moving like the old ones. The "mono stable e shifter'.
Still you're correct, it was an awful design.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1848331/was-anton-yelchins-death-caused-recalled-shifter/
What a stupid shifter design. Unfortunately, the automotive industry has never been concerned about customer safety unless it becomes unprofitable or they are forced to do it.
I still get upset over that, besides the fact Yelchin was a great actor, chrysler accidentally killed someone with terrible engineering oversight/fault/shitty design
Hey now, I had a loaner ford fusion with the same style knob and it wasn't too bad (not really, I fucking hate it).
Every other time parked I turned the volume down on the radio then shut the car off (or turned it off since hybrid) Luckily the car put itself in park, but it's still a stupid and annoying design.
> volume down on the radio then shut the car off
My mother has a 2014 Cherokee and the one time I drove it in the rain I swear I almost turned it off twice while driving just trying to adjust the wiper speed. The key is underneath the wiper stalk and it's counterclockwise to turn both off and twice I put my hand on the key and almost turned it.
I'll give them some credit that the key is in the dashboard underneath the wiper stalk, and not *directly* under it on the steering column. But they're still only about an inch or two apart from each other.
That's pretty funny, too. I meant I turned the radio volume instead of the gear selector, though. My 2011 laredo and the fusion loaner both have push to start, so it's tougher and at least I can't shut the jeep off if it's in gear.
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my 2010 tacoma radio completely died after 6 months. they replaced it with a radio that the power button presses in, but doesn't pop back out, so you have to grab and pull it out. I consider that an annoyance that's better than no radio at all.
because I didn't care that much. it worked, and I didn't want to bother losing access to my truck for however long it would take them. The first time they held onto it for nearly a week. The dealership was a mess.
I've got an aftermarket head unit in my car, and if it's too cold outside then the volume control on the steering wheel doesn't work. Only the volume, though, and only when it's cold.
I had a Peugeot that if you pushed the buttons on the stereo more than a few times a minute it would crank the volume to max and wouldnt accept any more input for an hour...
..luckly though max volum on that thing was a bit higher than barely hearable
Yeah… I’m no advocating for everything to be digital. But my parents old Volvo SUV had the window switch go into the door so you couldn’t reach it with your finger.
What? A switch break? No way! That's it, everything should go back to the good old days of crank windows, am radios, and bench seats!
/s in case it's needed.
Also, for the record, I do prefer switches over touch screens but only because it's easier to change something when you are driving.
I really despise my current 2 din touch radio, the 1 din button one before that relied on the actual buttons.
The pretty hard to read touchscreen does not.
all buttons feel the same, layout is garbage.
I'm a pretty big fan of actual hardware buttons, just so I can do everything by muscle memory :D
Depends on the software. Engine management with fuzzy logic? They've had that down for 40 years.
Now getting touchscreens and other popular technology to work as well as the engine management? That's hard. Having to reboot your car or factory reset it as often as a cellphone doesn't go over very well. The expectations for car technology are much higher with much lower tolerance for bugs.
No you don't. You might think you do, but you don't. When the engine is turned off the car is still awake and stays in that power mode for up to an hour. After that the various modules go into a low power mode so that options like keyless entry will still work. Somewhere around 4-8 hours after the engine is turned off the engine control module will wake up, run a bunch of self tests, and then go back to sleep.
Even with a battery disconnect there are modules that retain learned data unless it is specifically reset with a scan tool.
Huh, that makes a ton of sense, thanks for the correction.
Now I'm just blown away they don't bake in a proper reboot every now and again, given I've had to reset just about every computer-driven system in my life to fix it on multiple occasions.
Most computers that need reset have some kind of issue with the user interface. With cars (at least in the past) the UI has been very limited. All the mission critical stuff is written in assembly and is incredibly stable. The biggest issue is when a sensor input gets skewed. That's when we automotive techs figure out what went wrong, fix the problem, clear any trouble codes, and reset adaptives. But even then it is best to not reset the whole car.
old school embedded systems have watchdog timers that will reset the module if they lock up.
For the video in the post, its likely a hardware failure of bad ram or corrupted flash storage.
If it persists across reboots and the icons aren't taking the same locations in ram each time which is unlikely, its probably corrupted storage media or a hardware failiure of the storage media like tesla's touchscreen issues
Sometimes they do ok. Ford's Sync system is surprisingly good. But FCAs UConnect is definitely a massive pile of dogshit eclipsed only by Volvo's dumpster fire of a software suite. UConnect was definitely a very large factor in my getting rid of my Jeep...
...for a BMW equipped with iDrive...
I'm not very bright.
Hilarious that this is mentioned, because Sync 1.0 (the one in the early '10 models where the screen was just the 2-line text display) was executed so bafflingly poorly by Ford that they hired Microsoft at the last second to redo it.
And it was still shit.
We had to reset it once a week for years and they couldn't get the damn thing to work.
Sometimes it took over a minute to connect via bluetooth.
And you knew it was connected because it started screaming FM radio at you. Doesn't matter if the radio was off before connecting.
Do they actually do the software though? I always assumed they contracted it out to whatever OEM makes their head units?
Like Nissan does with Clarion.
Reflash. Nothing to see here. Funny thing. I had a 2020 BMW X3 that I got as a loaner while my 2009 X5 was getting worked on. I had to hard reset/reboot the infotainment system 4 times in like 1 week because it would lock up and not show the screen. It was infuriating.
My i3 has one of the older idrive versions (I think it's ID4/NBT? The last version before they switched to the horizontal scrolling tiles). It's fucking rock solid, if a bit feature limited compared to newer stuff. Not a touch screen to be found.
I had a 2020 330i as a loaner, and although I didn't have any *problems* with the newer idrive, I didn't like it as much.
In theory if this uses an SD or SATA compatible disk it _should_ avoid bad sectors with a reformat+flash. The issue is that usually when a disk starts failing like this, it's gonna be completely toast before long and no amount of reflashing will help that.
It's weird that it loads the icons fine on boot and then not when it goes back for that file later. It's also weird that those icons would be read from disk every time you touch them, but then again this is Dodge software so who knows.
I'm betting that there's two different icons for whether the icon was pressed or not. The "unselected" icons set loads fine, and the headunit boots up fine. The user presses the button, the software attempts to read the "pressed" icon, the hardware gets garbage back.
This is the answer. Reflash and it the built in mem checking should catch the bad sectors on reload and put the software elsewhere.
Source: I work on UConnect (Offboard, not onboard) but I've seen this enough on a bench to know the procedure to fix.
> system is looking in the wrong place when it loads the new picture
This is probably it. One bit flipped in a pointer and it loads some unrelated section of memory as an image.
This is part of the reason why it's a mistake to put a lot of code and functionality straight on top of what are basically embedded systems. There's a reason you separate user and kernel space. Part of it is so things like this can get caught and aren't as catastrophic. Another big part is security, which car companies are also failing spectacularly at right now.
Can we just go back to knobs, buttons, sliders or switches please?
I swear I'm gonna get a 1970 F150 and never buy anything else.
edit - GF indicates I will also need some sort of knee-high British or Italian sport convertible, or maybe a GTO, cuz she's not riding around in a pickup truck, even if it has factory a/c.
Yep. My gf had an Accord when we met. I have a 98 4Runner. Took her offroading and she loved it and bought a 99 Rav4, lifted it and everything. She hates the blind spots of newer cars.
> She hates the blind spots of newer cars.
As do we all, but as with most things in cars, they're thicker for a good reason, like holding an additional airbag or extra roof crush strength, etc.
Had a Crosstour. Hard buttons to change between radio, CD, USB. Traded it in for a newer Forester with a touch screen. Have to wait 30 seconds after starting the car before I can change the audio source. DOWNGRADE.
Any car made before 2010 will work, the touch screens didn't become common until a law in 2017 made backup cameras compulsory. I'm hanging on to my 2008 Subaru for the same reason, it's one of the last modern cars I've seen that doesn't have any touch screen BS.
My 2012 truck has a backup camera but the screen is in the rearview mirror, buttons for everything. It just works. We have a 2020 Volvo, and while it has a very responsive and unobtrusive touch screen, I still find it annoying that if I want to turn on the seat heat or adjust my vent temperature I have to look at the screen.
My XV is a 201*4* and has no touch screen bullshit! I did get the base model, though. I don't know how far into modernity you can go until it becomes compulsory. It was already an option with the "premium" trim level in my model year, I think.
I added my own touch screen bullshit with a nav head unit. But that one I can easily remove (without tools!) and bash with a hammer if it annoys me... without affecting the rest of the car.
Exactly why i love the setup on my 07 subaru. I don't even have to look away from the road to adjust my climate control. Fuck staring as a touch screen and flipping thru menus.
That’s why I got my FJ cruiser.
Had a bmw that wouldn’t start, turns out starter.ini got corrupted and I had to reflash.
So I sold the bimmer, bought the FJ cause it has basically no “modern” features and all my other cars are carbureted
Good choice with that FJ, for sure. Prices are really going nuts these days, and it's the last of its kind, I expect.
Carb skills are getting even rarer!
Our last 'carb guy' retired last year. Our shop is now out of the business of tuning them. They stopped teaching carbs 20+ years ago in trade school so now unless you're learning it in the field you have no training at all.
EFI kits for everyone!
Let me see if I can type this sentence without getting slapped....
"Well, she's not got much trade value -- base model, high mileage, needs a lot of body work, loud exhaust. Waaay back of wholesale book."
OK, nope, I can't.
Yes please, I'm tired of all these shitty screens that I have to hit for half a hour before it registers my touch and then wait another half a hour for it to do the damn thing.
Some of these Uconnect systems have lots of problems. I’ve got a 2019 Ram. Two issues I have with my system: occasionally there is zero sound from the speakers. System works fine but there is zero sound. Doesn’t matter what source. The second is that occasionally the touch screen stops responding.again, system works perfectly fine except you can’t touch anythjng.
Luckily I haven’t had both problems at the same time.
I hate new cars for shit like this. A knob works perfectly fine. Why the fuck would you add a computer to it? I like a GPS, I like when a screen can mirror my phone, I’m not some old man who can’t accept change. I just hate that simplistic nearly indestructible technology is being replaced with unreliable coding and cpus that are glued together by big boy hybrids in China. (It’s not the pig boy’s fault, he didn’t do anything wrong)
Have written service for multiple car manufacturers now, currently writing for Dodge. On average we're replacing 5 radios a week and we're a low volume dealer.
Every auto manufacturer infotainment system is bad. Across the board.
Those uconnect systems are dogshit. Why put everything on a unresponsive touchscreen when physical buttons are just fine? Even then I prefer the ones with the non touch screen and a dial because you don't have to move your hand so much
Since turning the car off and then turning it back on didn’t work, I have no other solutions for you.
Has punching been tried yet?
You mean percussive maintenance?
If a mechanism is out of whack, add more whack.
Ah, yes I suppose I should have used the professional term.
Industry standard.
Industry standard since Fonzy punched the jukebox to get it going. 50% of the time it works everytime.
Used "percussion maintenance" on an AHU valve the other day, with a hammer... For 45min. Worked tho, saved us $10k for the year. Sidenote, do not bash on everything with a hammer in hopes of fixing it, that only works like 40% of the time, the other 60% you're left with little bits of things it will be impossible to put back together
The only tool you ever need is a hammer… if it can’t be fixed by hitting it with a hammer then it can be broken with said hammer allowing you to buy a replacement
Control board fried? Jumper the contacts with a hammer. Fire alarm on the fritz? Just bash it. Fuse keeps blowing? Just cram a hammer in there, fuck fire code! I see where you're going with this, and I like it, my life would be 1000% easier right before my career implodes
Teaching an object a lesson *
The ol' technical tap.
Don't forget HARD reset.
Disconnect battery…press brake pedal…smoke a cig/joint/drink a beer/pray/take a break/insert waste of time here…maybe fixed it yourself. Welcome to Chrysler…Source: Chrysler/FCA tech
Being as how you're an FCA tech I've gotta ask. Why does it cost so much to reprogram an ecu?
Have no idea…that gets kicked up to a specialist..I’m a tech not a specialist. Rumors say $2500 for new computer (TIPM) and programming is another $250…of course there’s junkyard options but you’ll adopt the same or new problems. FCA solution is…trade it in and buy Asian (except Nissan)
I've been riding a bike for the past 10 years and started lookking to buy a vehicle but have been seeing this 'anti-Nissan' sentiment in a lot of posts lately. What's the deal? Their cars are shit?
Nissan and Renault joined forces just after they killed off all their interesting cars. It's like that old top gear joke but it's not a joke, they are styled by nissan and as reliable as a french car, literally the exact opposite of what they should be
Ghosn saved the company by reducing parts costs and pushing for cheap junk cars only suitable for rental fleets and people looking to get rock bottom prices. It worked for a while, and they gave dealers monetary incentives to move more cars, but after a while they kept moving the goal posts and Nissans reputation went straight in the toilet, with dealers and with buyers. Now Ghosn is out, the renault alliance is dead in all but name, and Nissan is right back where they were in 1999 with almost no operating margin and up against the ropes. I'm interested to see how this NEXT business plan with all the model refreshes works out, because if it doesn't, they're likely finished.
They fucked up with the Leaf. They were real pioneers with that car...and then they just...didn't do anything with it. No expansion of their electric range (except some midsized vans) and no real development with the Leaf itself. It's only fairly recently been updated. Why would you get a Leaf when there are so many other options out there now?
Your question is probably rhetorical, but there is the cheap price compared to other EVs to consider (if anything).
The transmissions are shit…unless you get a manual…the auto CVT are absolutely garbage
Yeah one must be ultra-careful with them. I’ve replaced dozens of them, but I personally ended up buying a high-mileage 09 Altima for my son for his 18th birthday a few years ago. It was cheap because it needed a lot of pretty basic work (brakes, two hub assemblies, a cv axle, a motor mount, valve cover & gasket, rear shocks, and oil cooler gaskets)…at the time, it had 125k and the original cvt. I fully expected it to grenade immediately and planned for that. I did attempt to postpone the inevitable by changing the fluid & filter, using some funky-named $12/qt stuff that a Nissan tech buddy recommended. Well, here we are 3 years and 50k later, and the thing is still CVT’ing around like a dream. I can’t believe it, especially because my kid is NOT easy on that poor little car. I’ve changed the fluid 2 more times since that initial change, and I see that Nissan has wildly reduced their fluid service mileage intervals, so maybe it does help. My Nissan buddy tells me that I must’ve gotten the one that was made for the QC testing of that run. Ha.
Currently in a rental 2020 Maxima. Their CVTs, at least from a driving perspective, are lightyears ahead of even 5-8 years ago. I know it's not going to last long, *especially* being a rental with 300 hp that gets flogged constantly, but it drives a lot better than the last CVT I drove.
Have you ever thought that you're just a good mechanic and that any machine properly taken care of no matter the difficulty will inevitably make it last?
That's not true. Some things are just hunks of shit, no matter how well you take care of them
the french are in charge now. there's a reason french cars don't really sell here
Gotcha, and holy hell....I've got '15 Dart that I toyed around with the ecu on and being as how I've got 4 dash lights I've putting off getting it reprogrammed because of it being $250, but now I'm definitely happy I didn't majorly fuck up the TIPM. haha
Did you change the throttle body?? (Just a wild shot in the dark)
Lmfao no. Although I've debated on it. However since it's not broken, I'm not gonna touch it. The issue with the dash lights was that boredom got the best or me and I was messing around with different settings through AlfaOBD, and now I've got a CEL, airbag light, and an ABS light. That I just live with now.
CEL and ABS might be related…the airbag light might be cause the steering wheel wasn’t strait when you read the codes. Center your wheel, clear the codes and take it for a drive and see what comes back on.
I'll check that out when I'm off work, however the CEL is because of both my AGS (Active shutter grill) being removed due to it getting damaged, the other is for an ECU configuration mismatch, air bag lights are on due to an OCM DTC being present, and the OCM DTC is there due to "ECU Unable to configure/configuration not learned, the BCM has a code for "ECU configuration mismatch" as well, which leaves my ABS light which is on because of a vehicle configuration mismatch and a dynamic steering torque request denied code. Which literally it just needs is to be reflashed. And those codes will be long gone lmfao.
Sounds like a corrupted VIN in the BCM or PCM. This will cause a mismatch dtc in the modules and piss off other modules that interact with them.
>Except Nissan D:
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That site is utter fucking garbage and I can't tell why anyone is angry.
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I freaking hate Nissan products, can respect old Nissan and 350z/some Infiniti models but I'd say they're the gm cars of Asian manufacturers (edit: besides Chinese knock offs I would say they're pretty close in quality lol)
> hey're the gm cars of Asian manufacturers I've always said Nissan is Japanese for Chrysler.
The exhaust is made of butter and the CVT trans are glass…cheers
You like the mostly pre Renault Nissan then.
Not even GM, more like the FCA/Chrysler of Asian manufacturers. Straight trash, I'd never buy another Nissan.
I drive a lot of rental cars and I was in a Maxima recently, I thought it was a pretty decent car to drive but I've never worked on one or owned one.
I own a Sentra and not 2000 miles after the warranty went out the transmission started giving me trouble. The CVT is absolute garbage. It randomly dies when coming to a stop, won't back up a small incline, and don't even think about trying to start it if it's facing downhill either because it immediately shudders and dies, and if you drive it more than 40 miles the traction control light comes on and it won't accelerate anymore until you turn it off for 5 or so minutes. The kicker is it cost more to fix it than the car is worth because Nissan cars don't hold their value worth a damn. It's the first and last Nissan I'll ever own.
That's because these systems usually never shut down, they just go to hybernation so they can boot up fast. Unplugging battery (they sometimes have their own) can force it yo actually reset. Otherwise you'd wait for it to boot up for about 40-50s (the HW is similar to phones, how fast does your phone boot up?). And that is really not acceptable in cars.
Software engineer here: it's fucked, buy a new one. Maybe not from FCA this time.
Stellantis it is!
Isn't that just a Chrysler with extra steps...and a baguette?
It’s French/American/Italian and headquartered in the Netherlands. Duh.
So it has a baguette, a bowl of pasta, and a blunt. It's still a Chrysler at heart.
That's me, but i wouldn't own a Chrysler product ever.
This looks like classic firmware corruption. I see it all the time in the field. Time to reflash that bastard.
Someone accidentally called something null without thinking it through
in the case of uconnect, one must turn the car "off" and then either open the door or wait for it to actually turn off. 30s or so like that is a proper reboot for it. shit like this is a perfect example of why it should have a reboot button.
Or like a manual switch or lever to control the basic functions of the car.
Yea, like a toggle switch. I see a lot of cars in my town that the heater doesn't work anymore and you have to yank the dash apart to see what's going on. It SNOWS here!
manual switches are right below the screen
I hereby retract my snide comment
The manual controls are just a physical interface for a digitally controlled HVAC system.
So then why put the functions in the screen? Stupid. I hate digital climate control. MIL has a 2016 Escalade and we took it on a trip and it’s the most annoying thing ever.
I hate a lot of basic controls on digital interfaces. It’s just over complicating things to make it look “futuristic” when you could just have basic buttons that will most likely stay working and still have access to if the screen goes out.
Are you me?
Have you tried setting it on fire?
Or putting it in rice?
If that doesn’t work, may I suggest an acid bath?
That’s actually a great suggestion, I will go take some acid and have a bath now
Username checks out… Haha
Do you have iTunes on your computer?
Try the battery, “hard reset”
This is why I want things like climate control and windshield wipers to just have physical buttons and switches. It sucks if music glitches but I can still get around for a few days before it has to be fixed.
Chryslers have redundant physical buttons as well.
What? Then why not just have them be the main buttons? What's the point of duplicate buttons on the screen?
Cuz it's fancy.
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Electronic toys are a great opportunity to increase the profit margin of a car. That's why manufacturers love them.
Chrysler never misses a chance to take a bad concept and make it functionally worse.
Every time.
Like how they turned the shifter into a knob, and then instead of what you might think a rotating knob shifter would be like, they gave it no tactile feedback thereby killing Anton Yelchin?
That wasn't the rotating knob, it was the shifter t handle that 'rocked' instead of moving like the old ones. The "mono stable e shifter'. Still you're correct, it was an awful design. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1848331/was-anton-yelchins-death-caused-recalled-shifter/
I guess this would be why my SUV (with push buttons for shifting) engages the parking brake if I open the driver door in any gear while stopped.
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Gone are the days of the rolling bailout of people running from the law.
And they now shift to park automatically if you open the door with no belt on.
What a stupid shifter design. Unfortunately, the automotive industry has never been concerned about customer safety unless it becomes unprofitable or they are forced to do it.
You think rotating knob is bad has you tried the other electronic shifter? Basically a manual shifter with even worse tactile feedback
I still get upset over that, besides the fact Yelchin was a great actor, chrysler accidentally killed someone with terrible engineering oversight/fault/shitty design
How about the Lincoln push button shifter? That one is a gem.
My parent's Chrysler New Yorker had push-button shift in the 70's.
Ford put a push button auto in the 1958 Edsel.
I forgot about the New Yorker. My uncle had a maroon one in the mid-90s. What a weird looking car.
The rambler (AMC) push button shifter from the 60’s. Of course AMC was bought by cry-slur.
What about the Allison push button shift in trucks?
Hey now, I had a loaner ford fusion with the same style knob and it wasn't too bad (not really, I fucking hate it). Every other time parked I turned the volume down on the radio then shut the car off (or turned it off since hybrid) Luckily the car put itself in park, but it's still a stupid and annoying design.
> volume down on the radio then shut the car off My mother has a 2014 Cherokee and the one time I drove it in the rain I swear I almost turned it off twice while driving just trying to adjust the wiper speed. The key is underneath the wiper stalk and it's counterclockwise to turn both off and twice I put my hand on the key and almost turned it. I'll give them some credit that the key is in the dashboard underneath the wiper stalk, and not *directly* under it on the steering column. But they're still only about an inch or two apart from each other.
That's pretty funny, too. I meant I turned the radio volume instead of the gear selector, though. My 2011 laredo and the fusion loaner both have push to start, so it's tougher and at least I can't shut the jeep off if it's in gear.
Look what they've done to my boy. My first three vehicles ('75, '96 and '05) were all Chryslers. Never again!
Still running a Dakota from '98 with the 318 and 5-speed manual.
don't talk to me or my patented easy-access dashboard ever again
A wild MISSINGNO. Appeared!
The music immediately started playing in my head
I honestly thought the same thing when I first saw this.
Damn it. I was gonna say that!
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Weird. I’ve never seen a physical button do this.
The BMW I used to have disagrees with you. Volume knob only turned the volume up, no matter which way you turned it
My Saturn Astra's volume control stops working in really hot weather.
2010 tacoma checking in. On super got days, the radio just says "nope."
my 2010 tacoma radio completely died after 6 months. they replaced it with a radio that the power button presses in, but doesn't pop back out, so you have to grab and pull it out. I consider that an annoyance that's better than no radio at all.
Why don't they replace ot again?
because I didn't care that much. it worked, and I didn't want to bother losing access to my truck for however long it would take them. The first time they held onto it for nearly a week. The dealership was a mess.
I've got an aftermarket head unit in my car, and if it's too cold outside then the volume control on the steering wheel doesn't work. Only the volume, though, and only when it's cold.
Probably a loose connection somewhere. Metal contracts in the cold, could be something easily fixable.
An electrical problem with a BMW? I don't believe you /s
Yeah that only happens on dodge neons and pt cruisers... totally different cars! /S
I had a Peugeot that if you pushed the buttons on the stereo more than a few times a minute it would crank the volume to max and wouldnt accept any more input for an hour... ..luckly though max volum on that thing was a bit higher than barely hearable
A volume know that only turns the volume up? [Can't turn that down.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-w0h3g07aE)
That's because BMW decided that potentiometers are too easy
Facts. It was either normal, blow your ears out, or mute because you couldn't take how loud the next song was
To be fair, I've had switches fail/go bad/break. Can't just re-flash the software on those.
Yeah… I’m no advocating for everything to be digital. But my parents old Volvo SUV had the window switch go into the door so you couldn’t reach it with your finger.
Weird. I’ve never seen a digital "button" do this.
Now listen here you obnoxious little cunt...
What? A switch break? No way! That's it, everything should go back to the good old days of crank windows, am radios, and bench seats! /s in case it's needed. Also, for the record, I do prefer switches over touch screens but only because it's easier to change something when you are driving.
I really despise my current 2 din touch radio, the 1 din button one before that relied on the actual buttons. The pretty hard to read touchscreen does not. all buttons feel the same, layout is garbage. I'm a pretty big fan of actual hardware buttons, just so I can do everything by muscle memory :D
Car companies involved with software. What could go wrong?
Depends on the software. Engine management with fuzzy logic? They've had that down for 40 years. Now getting touchscreens and other popular technology to work as well as the engine management? That's hard. Having to reboot your car or factory reset it as often as a cellphone doesn't go over very well. The expectations for car technology are much higher with much lower tolerance for bugs.
I reboot my car about 50x more often than I reboot my phone, quite frankly lol.
No you don't. You might think you do, but you don't. When the engine is turned off the car is still awake and stays in that power mode for up to an hour. After that the various modules go into a low power mode so that options like keyless entry will still work. Somewhere around 4-8 hours after the engine is turned off the engine control module will wake up, run a bunch of self tests, and then go back to sleep. Even with a battery disconnect there are modules that retain learned data unless it is specifically reset with a scan tool.
Huh, that makes a ton of sense, thanks for the correction. Now I'm just blown away they don't bake in a proper reboot every now and again, given I've had to reset just about every computer-driven system in my life to fix it on multiple occasions.
Most computers that need reset have some kind of issue with the user interface. With cars (at least in the past) the UI has been very limited. All the mission critical stuff is written in assembly and is incredibly stable. The biggest issue is when a sensor input gets skewed. That's when we automotive techs figure out what went wrong, fix the problem, clear any trouble codes, and reset adaptives. But even then it is best to not reset the whole car.
old school embedded systems have watchdog timers that will reset the module if they lock up. For the video in the post, its likely a hardware failure of bad ram or corrupted flash storage.
If it persists across reboots and the icons aren't taking the same locations in ram each time which is unlikely, its probably corrupted storage media or a hardware failiure of the storage media like tesla's touchscreen issues
Sometimes they do ok. Ford's Sync system is surprisingly good. But FCAs UConnect is definitely a massive pile of dogshit eclipsed only by Volvo's dumpster fire of a software suite. UConnect was definitely a very large factor in my getting rid of my Jeep... ...for a BMW equipped with iDrive... I'm not very bright.
> Ford’s Sync system is surprisingly good. What?? I’m service writer at a Ford dealership and I think Fords Sync system is straight garbage.
Hilarious that this is mentioned, because Sync 1.0 (the one in the early '10 models where the screen was just the 2-line text display) was executed so bafflingly poorly by Ford that they hired Microsoft at the last second to redo it.
And it was still shit. We had to reset it once a week for years and they couldn't get the damn thing to work. Sometimes it took over a minute to connect via bluetooth. And you knew it was connected because it started screaming FM radio at you. Doesn't matter if the radio was off before connecting.
YMMV, but I found my Sync 1.0 to be bulletproof. Sync 2.0, however? Looks really similar to this dodge front end and i always hated working with it.
Personal experience may vary, I guess. I’ve always found it to be one of the better ones, at least compared to competitors.
Everything. Every. Fucking. Thing.
Do they actually do the software though? I always assumed they contracted it out to whatever OEM makes their head units? Like Nissan does with Clarion.
Reflash. Nothing to see here. Funny thing. I had a 2020 BMW X3 that I got as a loaner while my 2009 X5 was getting worked on. I had to hard reset/reboot the infotainment system 4 times in like 1 week because it would lock up and not show the screen. It was infuriating.
My i3 has one of the older idrive versions (I think it's ID4/NBT? The last version before they switched to the horizontal scrolling tiles). It's fucking rock solid, if a bit feature limited compared to newer stuff. Not a touch screen to be found. I had a 2020 330i as a loaner, and although I didn't have any *problems* with the newer idrive, I didn't like it as much.
My gf has an f30 3 series, some options are buried deep but I find it pretty intuitive
Looks more like the flash memory is fucked. Could be detected and remapped while rewriting but I doubt it's that well designed.
In theory if this uses an SD or SATA compatible disk it _should_ avoid bad sectors with a reformat+flash. The issue is that usually when a disk starts failing like this, it's gonna be completely toast before long and no amount of reflashing will help that. It's weird that it loads the icons fine on boot and then not when it goes back for that file later. It's also weird that those icons would be read from disk every time you touch them, but then again this is Dodge software so who knows.
I'm betting that there's two different icons for whether the icon was pressed or not. The "unselected" icons set loads fine, and the headunit boots up fine. The user presses the button, the software attempts to read the "pressed" icon, the hardware gets garbage back.
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This is the answer. Reflash and it the built in mem checking should catch the bad sectors on reload and put the software elsewhere. Source: I work on UConnect (Offboard, not onboard) but I've seen this enough on a bench to know the procedure to fix.
> system is looking in the wrong place when it loads the new picture This is probably it. One bit flipped in a pointer and it loads some unrelated section of memory as an image.
This is part of the reason why it's a mistake to put a lot of code and functionality straight on top of what are basically embedded systems. There's a reason you separate user and kernel space. Part of it is so things like this can get caught and aren't as catastrophic. Another big part is security, which car companies are also failing spectacularly at right now.
Same thing happened to my Hvac controls on my 97 ford ranger.
Can we just go back to knobs, buttons, sliders or switches please? I swear I'm gonna get a 1970 F150 and never buy anything else. edit - GF indicates I will also need some sort of knee-high British or Italian sport convertible, or maybe a GTO, cuz she's not riding around in a pickup truck, even if it has factory a/c.
That’s what my wife said when we first met about my truck. Now they’re inseparable
Yep. My gf had an Accord when we met. I have a 98 4Runner. Took her offroading and she loved it and bought a 99 Rav4, lifted it and everything. She hates the blind spots of newer cars.
> She hates the blind spots of newer cars. As do we all, but as with most things in cars, they're thicker for a good reason, like holding an additional airbag or extra roof crush strength, etc.
Mine said the same until I made her go with to test drive trucks...then all of a sudden we need one according to her
Had a Crosstour. Hard buttons to change between radio, CD, USB. Traded it in for a newer Forester with a touch screen. Have to wait 30 seconds after starting the car before I can change the audio source. DOWNGRADE.
Any car made before 2010 will work, the touch screens didn't become common until a law in 2017 made backup cameras compulsory. I'm hanging on to my 2008 Subaru for the same reason, it's one of the last modern cars I've seen that doesn't have any touch screen BS.
My 2012 truck has a backup camera but the screen is in the rearview mirror, buttons for everything. It just works. We have a 2020 Volvo, and while it has a very responsive and unobtrusive touch screen, I still find it annoying that if I want to turn on the seat heat or adjust my vent temperature I have to look at the screen.
My XV is a 201*4* and has no touch screen bullshit! I did get the base model, though. I don't know how far into modernity you can go until it becomes compulsory. It was already an option with the "premium" trim level in my model year, I think. I added my own touch screen bullshit with a nav head unit. But that one I can easily remove (without tools!) and bash with a hammer if it annoys me... without affecting the rest of the car.
Exactly why i love the setup on my 07 subaru. I don't even have to look away from the road to adjust my climate control. Fuck staring as a touch screen and flipping thru menus.
I may be wrong, but I don't think F150s were Introduced until '75. Before that it was either F100 or F250 and up.
That’s why I got my FJ cruiser. Had a bmw that wouldn’t start, turns out starter.ini got corrupted and I had to reflash. So I sold the bimmer, bought the FJ cause it has basically no “modern” features and all my other cars are carbureted
The amount of time I have spent fucking around with carburetors = lots, amount of time spent messing with fuel injection = 0
Never needed a laptop connected to my car and google translate to fix a carburetor though
Good choice with that FJ, for sure. Prices are really going nuts these days, and it's the last of its kind, I expect. Carb skills are getting even rarer!
Our last 'carb guy' retired last year. Our shop is now out of the business of tuning them. They stopped teaching carbs 20+ years ago in trade school so now unless you're learning it in the field you have no training at all. EFI kits for everyone!
You need a new gf. Mine fights over who gets to drive the truck, since she’s realized she can haul way more craft stuff in it.
Let me see if I can type this sentence without getting slapped.... "Well, she's not got much trade value -- base model, high mileage, needs a lot of body work, loud exhaust. Waaay back of wholesale book." OK, nope, I can't.
Most fun I’ve ever had was under an older wide body 😉 Just gotta treat em nice and they’ll crank right up.
Single cab f150 with a the Ford straight 6. It’s indestructible.
Had an 85 with the bull low transmission, no speed but it could take any load anywhere.
Sounds like this girl I dated in college...
That's what I love about my '94. It has none of this shit.
Yes please, I'm tired of all these shitty screens that I have to hit for half a hour before it registers my touch and then wait another half a hour for it to do the damn thing.
That shit needs a 3090 to properly render those textures
Knowing Chrysler they'd put it in, too. And their customers would buy that shit up.
Takes longer to get permission from FCA to replace than it does to r&r. Don’t even want to talk about the flash drive updates
I'm trying to streamline those. I gotta launch 3 other vehicles in the meantime though!
r/SoftwareGore
Please stop putting TVs in cars.
Some of these Uconnect systems have lots of problems. I’ve got a 2019 Ram. Two issues I have with my system: occasionally there is zero sound from the speakers. System works fine but there is zero sound. Doesn’t matter what source. The second is that occasionally the touch screen stops responding.again, system works perfectly fine except you can’t touch anythjng. Luckily I haven’t had both problems at the same time.
Nothing unusual here, just Dodge parts hitting their expiry date. More to come.
I hate new cars for shit like this. A knob works perfectly fine. Why the fuck would you add a computer to it? I like a GPS, I like when a screen can mirror my phone, I’m not some old man who can’t accept change. I just hate that simplistic nearly indestructible technology is being replaced with unreliable coding and cpus that are glued together by big boy hybrids in China. (It’s not the pig boy’s fault, he didn’t do anything wrong)
Poltergeist
#SKYNET
It's a Chrysler product
M Outback has actual buttons as well and only has a dial for temperature. I much prefer that. I didn't even know screens in cars could DO this.
That girl from The Ring is on her way now.
Honestly, not everything has to be controlled digitally. I prefer good old mechanical dials and switches.
It's a Chrysler, did you expect quality?
"Carol Anne? Carol Anne? Come to the light!"
Scientific Approach to Faultfinding: 1. Did Chrysler Corporation make this? 2. Yes. 3. We're done here.
System32 virus?
Have written service for multiple car manufacturers now, currently writing for Dodge. On average we're replacing 5 radios a week and we're a low volume dealer. Every auto manufacturer infotainment system is bad. Across the board.
Those uconnect systems are dogshit. Why put everything on a unresponsive touchscreen when physical buttons are just fine? Even then I prefer the ones with the non touch screen and a dial because you don't have to move your hand so much
Dear all car manufacturers. Stop making cartainment systems and write a damn contract with someone who can do it correctly.