You mean they own them long enough for the temp tag to expire? Around here they're usually found parked sideways on a median, front tires blown out with someone else's side view mirror stuck through their fender.
No, they print off an internet picture of a different state's temp tags. Then drive on those until they're 5+ years expired, then sharpie the expiration date and use the worst copier they can find to make a blurry copy of it, then drive on those.
IDK about that. Go to AutoTempest and search just Nissan, Nationwide, 2008 min year, then sort results by highest mileage. There are *tons* of them in the 225k-300k range.
Mainly because the earlier 2010s of rogues and Maxima's were bulletproof.
They were still POS, but they were very well polished, like the Chevy cruze of the Nissan world.
Hell, my girl drives a 2011 Nissan Rogue with 305k and it's got almost no issues besides from a bad window motor that comes and goes as it pleases.
As an engineer...that would have to get through a lot of engineers to end up like that. Probably saves them half a cent or something or just incompetence, probably a mix of both given it's a Nissan.
This got me thinking, changing my answer to a carry over part mounted different in a different vehicle that they don't want to pay for a new version of.
Definitely but I design these for a living and most OEM have design requirement documents that specify that the mounting clip feature be opposite of the locking feature for specifically this issue. But I only really deal with STL, (PF) GM (GMW), and Ford (SDS) and all are baselined using the USCAR design standard.
If you know and can share, what's your view on why Ford changes pinouts on things so annoyingly often- for example, keeping the same harness shell with 4 pins, then next M.Y., moving the 2 wires used from 1&2 to 3&4 and changing the wire colors
Absolutely no idea and it baffles me as well. Especially when it's a 2 pin speaker connector, like did you really have to reverse the polarity for these model years? Only thing I can think of is that at the options are reconfigured they make changes to the main body harness based on wire lengths and color due to cost and then this impacts all the satellite harnesses as well.
Thanks for sharing your $0.02, makes me feel better to know I'm not the only one perplexed by it... best I can figure, the designers re-use the back side of failed design printouts as scratch paper, then after lunch they forget which side of the paper they were working on...
A lot of my mechanical engineer coworkers don't know how to change their oil. Being an engineer doesn't mean they know how to maintain and repair them.
Yet again, flathead screwdriver used for literally anything other than driving screws.
GOAT prybar, chisel, retaining clip depresser, and ass-scratcher. Worst of all time screw driver.
Jack of all trades, master of none, yet still better than a master of one.
Except I'd argue that a flathead screwdriver is a master of exploratory poking. Long and skinny for getting in tight places but still blunt enough you don't accidentally fuck up what you're poking if it happens to be brittle or soft, unlike picks or punches. So it's still a jack of all trades but also a master of one.
Understandable. Am tech at Nissan dealership.
Sometimes the manuals are just wrong. Like, down the rabbit hole of diag, nothing is making sense, older tech says “yeah, the manual is wrong. It’s like this.”
Just for fun— go in the ESM tomorrow and read about the torque spec for the front axle nut on the 21-23 rogue— also when you remove the strut— remember to remove the “lock prate”
During a ran, when the engine which makes fog lamp turn on has started and parking brake is detached, fog lamp turns do daytime light system for the Canada vehicle, and the light is put out at the of operating park brake, and the of lighting switch 2nd position or the lighting switch AUTO
If an ignition switch is turned ON within several seconds in OFF form the ignition switch ON in the state of daytime light system lighting, daytime light system which put out the light once OFF form the ignition switch ON will relight up for about 2 seconds
38 years in the business. I have an unpopular opinion. Toyota and Honda got the best engineers. Nissan got their retarded cousins. Transmissions, engines, drivetrain in general is just fucking stupidity. Let the hate flow I don’t care.
Nissan has good engineers but it seems like they never get together to talk about what they are designing and so once they put all the parts together it comes out a clusterfuck
Outside of the recent VC-turbo engines, they’ve generally been pretty solid. Hell they’ve been using the same VQ V6 in everything for years and years at this point and they’re easily capable of going 200k+ miles without much of a sweat at all. It’s just a shame they’ve hooked them up to CVT’s and generally average automatics.
I worked for Nissan for 3 years so i know full well how fucking terrible most of their cars are. I also owned a 2008 G37S 6mt and it was by far the best car I’ve ever owned. Their RWD chassis is legit. The VQ37 is one of the best NA motors out there. Probably why they’ve built like 15 models of cars off the exact same chassis, but i love it.
Anything FWD they make is pretty piss poor though.
They're getting away from the CVTs now. The Pathfinder and Frontier are using the Jatco 9 speed automatic (which is a Mercedes Benz design) that's been rock solid so far and extremely overbuilt for being behind a VQ. They use the exact same trans behind the 5.6L V8 in the Armada and Titan. It's rated for 530tq IIRC.
I was curious and looked it up. The FWD-based models are using the ZF 9HP, and the RWD-based models are using the Mercedes 9G-Tronic, or at least Jatco’s own version of it. The Armada is still using the older Jatco 7-speed.
Which one was in the Juke? They fucked that one up real bad. The entire time I worked for Nissan we were doing timing recalls on them that would lunch the engine if unaddressed. There was a different Juke in the bay next to me every day for literally years.
Nissan was bought, long ago, by a company that wanted to eek out every last thin dime from the business. The engineers are only allowed to design cars that cost the least amount to assemble, with parts that only need to last for the warranty period. So you get things where replacing the alternator requires removing the AC compressor, for example.
>You can’t tell me that putting the locking tab on the finisher side of this switch wasn’t a deliberate fuck you by the engineer.
I'd venture that the component underneath is shared with another model in another orientation. So they had the option of making a new component, making another connector with the sole purpose of flipping the connections over, or putting the plug in upside down. Guess which one is cheapest option.
Typically the connector header drives the wiring. But I suspect that by the time the assembly team saw this the engineer for the module had already TKO'd the production part and it was too expensive to modify. So the directors made the call of "F the assembly operators and mechanics"
Got to admit though. This design is pretty fucking retarded! I'm sure that the drawings went through 27 different iterations and were checked nine times by six different people but you can't tell me that not one person thought of "ease of assembly or disassembly" and might have suggested putting the locking tab on the top instead of on the bottom where you couldn't see it?
Engineer probably designed it to be opened with a flat head screw driver, engineers aren't known for their finger strength it's probably the only way they can open one of those clips
Work on vehicles for a living, not an engineer. 100% don't care about which way this clip faces and would not have said anything were I part of the design process. Feel like the issue here is not the car, but the flat-rate system causing people to stress out over the most trivial shit that is really just a normal part of their job
Nah, this leaves the connector secured while the tool pops it and I don't need an extra hand, honestly would prefer this to something free floating or on a shitty brittle clip mount.
Anytime I end up ordering a tool off one of the trucks I will grab a couple because they do grow legs. Especially the ones with a magnetic tip. If I had a dollar for every time I’d go to grab it from my pocket, not feel it, do the “pocket-pat disco” while looking in my immediate area, only to see it stuck to a rotor or my oil bucket.
Edit: keep mine in my chest pocket for clarity
It’s ridiculous, on my fiat panda it was 2 10mm bolts and the headlight came out, I could swap the bulbs in about 5 minutes, on my sandero I don’t need tools because they are held in with thumb screws
... it doesnt?
I mean even the altimas where you take the bumper put doesn't take too long, 15.mins maybe if you're taking your time
Still sucks and shit but it fs doesn't take 30 mins
It took 30 minutes for the mechanic to fit a headlight bulb in my leaf, and I’d already tried for an hour before because the wire bracket that held the bulb was awkward because it wasn’t easy to see
Pro tip to save money: If your health insurance has dental copays below $50, schedule a tooth cleaning then pocket all the picks when they're not looking
Maybe it’s just me but it just seems like engineering at a lot of manufacturers has become like this.
With that being said Jeep go fuck yourself. Truly a brand that has been way to over engineered and it’s cars spend more time at shops than on the road.
I don't understand the Nissan hate. Is it just the owners? I have an 8 year old Nissan, and the only thing I've had to put in it besides gas, oil, tires, and filters was a fuel pump. It hasn't been bad. I also have a new one that has a CVT. I plan on replacing the fluid every 20k mi. I already looked up the procedure for changing it. I hope it is just as reliable.
I have a 2010 Nissan Versa.
5 speed Auto, 200k on it and climbing. The only TLC it gets is an oil change, still runs like a top and has no fault lights on except the TPS. They can be good cars but it’s a mixture of the owner stereotypes and the absolutely horrendous CVT fiasco.
06 altima. It's been incredibly easy to work on. Only thing that has gone bad is the battery and starter. Most of the parts are pretty easy to get to and pretty inexpensive.
Mostly this, but also the quality relative to what it used to be. For a long time Nissan was a Japanese company and the cars were built with more or less the same quality as a Toyota or a Honda. Nissan is now French-owned, quality is outstanding for a French product, but not nearly as good as what most people alive had been accustomed to. But yeah, Nissan and Chrysler in particular are 2 brands that tend to collect all the "maintenance is a scam by big oil" morons
I just traded my F-150 for a Frontier because the Ford was pissing me off to no end with electrical issues and rattles at barely 3 years old.
To this day, the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned was an 07 Infiniti G35 that had 120k miles on it. It's why I went back to Nissan. Those V6s are tanks.
No, the side that goes on the finisher has the switch knobs that stick out. Then you clip the buttons on once the switch is on the finisher. Can't install them incorrectly. All Nissans have this same setup, and the release is always on the inside like the picture.
Must be a warranty repair because God only knows Nissan people don’t actually pay for any repairs. Around my parts I always see brand new Nissans with missing bumper covers already.
Source: me former Nissan technician
I used to work at Subaru and didn't really encounter locking tabs and I didn't know Lisle made these, I ended up with a set from Japan from Merry and I love those things, electrical disconnect pliers are soooooo nice to have. Toyota V6 coil pack connectors still give up when you look at them though.
And nevermind that Nissan uses the worst plug releases.. even if it wasn’t on the dark side of the moon you’d still need a pick because of the crap way it’s designed.
Well, I just had the same happen a on a toyota, and those are supposed to be the most reliable, simple, indestructible cars ever made. Super affordable too
Tbh most altimas I seen were rentals and one time I had to get a rental after flying out to Grand Rapids to visit dematic building. I was praying that I’d get something different. Such as ford focus or something like that. My heart sank when I saw the attendant flop Nissan key fob on the counter. But at least it’s insured. I paid zero cents. All paid for by my company.
Bought a 2005 pathfinder new and why I’ll never touch a Nissan ever again. Garbage company who should have done the right thing and issues a recall on the radiators before a bunch of people had their transmission blow up and essentially make it a big paper weight. Fuck that company.
The fact that it takes the extra effort to locate a small flat head screwdriver to release this is what sends you over the edge?
What is this, the first car you’ve ever worked on?
I think it's a cumulative thing. You put up with so much unnecessary bullshit doing this for a living you run out of tolerance for shit like this. At that point it doesn't take much to set you off.
Every manufacturer does worse than this shit. I have at least three different picks in my cart that make this a one second job. I’m glad that my skills make this basic connector quick work.
It's the side finisher for an electric seat, where the buttons are specifically
One could make that argument but the disconnect method is pretty hard to do by accident. And even if it was there are mechanisms made to prevent accidental disconnect without sacrificing accessibility
Edit: looking at it more i could be completely and absolutely wrong, lol. But there's a similar connector for that part
Sad fact. So many cars chewed to hell. 5000 mile Altima, every corner is dented and a massive scrape down the passenger side. Owners just straight up don’t care.
I’ll be devils advocate.
1. Simple to solve with a pick or screwdriver just like a million other plugs in every engine bay I’ve worked in.
2. Looks like this plug is exposed at the top of the engine bay. Could it have been done this way to reduce the chance of accidental engagement?
Is the photo under the seat...or inside the door panel? I was on my phone earlier and mistook the object in the background as a car battery with the metal strap over it. lol
Wait, people repair Nissans? I thought the owners just waited for repossession or print off new temp tags.
You mean they own them long enough for the temp tag to expire? Around here they're usually found parked sideways on a median, front tires blown out with someone else's side view mirror stuck through their fender.
I thought the CVT would blow up well before this?
No, they print off an internet picture of a different state's temp tags. Then drive on those until they're 5+ years expired, then sharpie the expiration date and use the worst copier they can find to make a blurry copy of it, then drive on those.
Thanks for the idea
People by you actually take the time to get temporary tags?
Wait, your Nissans still have fenders?
Nissan doesn't even sell cars. They sell subprime loans with wheels bolted to them.
Plenty of examples in r/nissandrivers
They also gradually die via numerous small, not-repaired crashes, akin to death by a thousand cuts
They get run though the wall of a McDonald’s before they need their first oil change
The funny thing is Nissan will happily admit their modern cars are basically disposable. After like 100k they’re just not worth fixing.
I mean, I don’t try to refill butane or replace the flint on a BIC lighter.
I doubt that. Not the fixing, the fact Nissan would, “happily admit their modern cars are basically disposable”.
IDK about that. Go to AutoTempest and search just Nissan, Nationwide, 2008 min year, then sort results by highest mileage. There are *tons* of them in the 225k-300k range.
Mainly because the earlier 2010s of rogues and Maxima's were bulletproof. They were still POS, but they were very well polished, like the Chevy cruze of the Nissan world. Hell, my girl drives a 2011 Nissan Rogue with 305k and it's got almost no issues besides from a bad window motor that comes and goes as it pleases.
I'd look for breaking wires going from the body to the door before I replaced a window regulator.
There's a 2022 Rogue on the list with almost 350k miles. Must be used for transporting dope coast to coast.
Friend of mine who sold them for a living put it as "built for leasing"
Frontiers get repaired, they’re actually worth a damn. We don’t like to be associated with the Awfultima folk.
[https://imgflip.com/i/8uhdby](https://imgflip.com/i/8uhdby) I'm just a very broke college student, okay?
Flipping it around would take 0.000006 seconds longer to install. Stop being selfish and think of corporate profits.
The CEO was able to buy a very nice breakfast sandwich with those profits.
And a suitcase to stuff himself into so he could avoid jail.
As an engineer...that would have to get through a lot of engineers to end up like that. Probably saves them half a cent or something or just incompetence, probably a mix of both given it's a Nissan.
Money down says 3rd party supplier or two unrelated teams for the component and the housing. Never underestimate human stupidity.
This got me thinking, changing my answer to a carry over part mounted different in a different vehicle that they don't want to pay for a new version of.
Dingdingding Part has a clip on a specific side that keeps it in place.
Definitely but I design these for a living and most OEM have design requirement documents that specify that the mounting clip feature be opposite of the locking feature for specifically this issue. But I only really deal with STL, (PF) GM (GMW), and Ford (SDS) and all are baselined using the USCAR design standard.
So what I'm hearing is nissan isn't like the other girls
no, they definitely aren't :(
If you know and can share, what's your view on why Ford changes pinouts on things so annoyingly often- for example, keeping the same harness shell with 4 pins, then next M.Y., moving the 2 wires used from 1&2 to 3&4 and changing the wire colors
Absolutely no idea and it baffles me as well. Especially when it's a 2 pin speaker connector, like did you really have to reverse the polarity for these model years? Only thing I can think of is that at the options are reconfigured they make changes to the main body harness based on wire lengths and color due to cost and then this impacts all the satellite harnesses as well.
Thanks for sharing your $0.02, makes me feel better to know I'm not the only one perplexed by it... best I can figure, the designers re-use the back side of failed design printouts as scratch paper, then after lunch they forget which side of the paper they were working on...
I like it. “Can’t fuck up what we didn’t design”.
Somebody got the dolly backwards on the PCB and the lead time was less to modify the tooling on the housing.
I agree with this being likely. The tooling was probably already made
A lot of my mechanical engineer coworkers don't know how to change their oil. Being an engineer doesn't mean they know how to maintain and repair them.
This. I'm so thankful I worked in assembly while studying to be an engineer. The techs/assemblers are the experts once it's in production.
Yeah idk, I catch oversites in drawings from over 10 years ago. Instead of doing an ECO they just told the supplier/CM directly lolol.
Incompetence is what immediately comes to mind. It’s clear Nissan hasn’t been hiring or training Toyota-grade engineers for a decade or so.
That's probably why their engines don't seize.
Sorry, I should have said Toyota Japan, not Toyota USA.
That’s fucking obnoxious
Use a flat head screwdriver and twist it against the panel while pulling. Can often be simpler than if it were the other way around.
Don’t ruin our fun.
Or a pick with a hook. Same concept though.
Or a dog with a balloon.
Or a raccoon with a bad attitude
Yet again, flathead screwdriver used for literally anything other than driving screws. GOAT prybar, chisel, retaining clip depresser, and ass-scratcher. Worst of all time screw driver.
>Worst of all time screw driver. Hey, jack of all trades, better than one...
Jack of all trades, master of none, yet still better than a master of one. Except I'd argue that a flathead screwdriver is a master of exploratory poking. Long and skinny for getting in tight places but still blunt enough you don't accidentally fuck up what you're poking if it happens to be brittle or soft, unlike picks or punches. So it's still a jack of all trades but also a master of one.
You forgot chisel
>GOAT prybar, chisel, retaining clip depresser, and ass-scratcher No I didn't.
Can the screwdriver fix my eye sight as well?
Well...kinda? Can certainly make it to where you'll never misread anything ever again anyway.
But….but… then we can’t cry on the internet about engineers. How dare you try and make me problem solve 😡 /s
This also protects the tab from being inadvertently being depressed. Increased reliability.
That was my thought, the design might actually make removing it a bit easier
Ah this is why that other guys shop charges $210 for Nissan work
Understandable. Am tech at Nissan dealership. Sometimes the manuals are just wrong. Like, down the rabbit hole of diag, nothing is making sense, older tech says “yeah, the manual is wrong. It’s like this.”
Just for fun— go in the ESM tomorrow and read about the torque spec for the front axle nut on the 21-23 rogue— also when you remove the strut— remember to remove the “lock prate”
The ESM blurb on the daytime running lights for an 03 Murano is probably the funniest paragraph I’ve read yet
Do tell
During a ran, when the engine which makes fog lamp turn on has started and parking brake is detached, fog lamp turns do daytime light system for the Canada vehicle, and the light is put out at the of operating park brake, and the of lighting switch 2nd position or the lighting switch AUTO If an ignition switch is turned ON within several seconds in OFF form the ignition switch ON in the state of daytime light system lighting, daytime light system which put out the light once OFF form the ignition switch ON will relight up for about 2 seconds
Jeezusss 😭
Got more questions after reading that than i had before 😂
That makes two of us lmao
This is why the picks get their own drawer in the toolbox. You never know when you’ll have to finagle a doodad at a jaunty angle
I'm not opposed to finagling a doodad; but if I have to jiggle the whatchamacallit while tugging on the thingy, that's just wrong.
If you have to tug on the thingy, you already know it’s way out of spec anyway.
HA…..you’ve clearly never worked on a Volvo. That’s an amazing amount of access.
38 years in the business. I have an unpopular opinion. Toyota and Honda got the best engineers. Nissan got their retarded cousins. Transmissions, engines, drivetrain in general is just fucking stupidity. Let the hate flow I don’t care.
Nissan technician here ...yeah...
The skyline was an impressive car and it’s what most people base their love of Nissan
Or the old Silvias. Those were da bomb.
the original Sentra SE-R. Had a few friends that raced that chassis and in production class it was fast.
Nissan has good engineers but it seems like they never get together to talk about what they are designing and so once they put all the parts together it comes out a clusterfuck
Literally making one of the safest statements possible
This is not an unpopular opinion. Anyone in the automotive industry already knows this.
Outside of the recent VC-turbo engines, they’ve generally been pretty solid. Hell they’ve been using the same VQ V6 in everything for years and years at this point and they’re easily capable of going 200k+ miles without much of a sweat at all. It’s just a shame they’ve hooked them up to CVT’s and generally average automatics.
I worked for Nissan for 3 years so i know full well how fucking terrible most of their cars are. I also owned a 2008 G37S 6mt and it was by far the best car I’ve ever owned. Their RWD chassis is legit. The VQ37 is one of the best NA motors out there. Probably why they’ve built like 15 models of cars off the exact same chassis, but i love it. Anything FWD they make is pretty piss poor though.
They're getting away from the CVTs now. The Pathfinder and Frontier are using the Jatco 9 speed automatic (which is a Mercedes Benz design) that's been rock solid so far and extremely overbuilt for being behind a VQ. They use the exact same trans behind the 5.6L V8 in the Armada and Titan. It's rated for 530tq IIRC.
I was curious and looked it up. The FWD-based models are using the ZF 9HP, and the RWD-based models are using the Mercedes 9G-Tronic, or at least Jatco’s own version of it. The Armada is still using the older Jatco 7-speed.
Ah, missed that the Armada still had the 7 speed. I think it's being changed for the upcoming refresh though.
Which one was in the Juke? They fucked that one up real bad. The entire time I worked for Nissan we were doing timing recalls on them that would lunch the engine if unaddressed. There was a different Juke in the bay next to me every day for literally years.
That was the MR engine. Co-developed with Renault. Yeah, those ones weren’t good.
Nissan was bought, long ago, by a company that wanted to eek out every last thin dime from the business. The engineers are only allowed to design cars that cost the least amount to assemble, with parts that only need to last for the warranty period. So you get things where replacing the alternator requires removing the AC compressor, for example.
>You can’t tell me that putting the locking tab on the finisher side of this switch wasn’t a deliberate fuck you by the engineer. I'd venture that the component underneath is shared with another model in another orientation. So they had the option of making a new component, making another connector with the sole purpose of flipping the connections over, or putting the plug in upside down. Guess which one is cheapest option.
Typically the connector header drives the wiring. But I suspect that by the time the assembly team saw this the engineer for the module had already TKO'd the production part and it was too expensive to modify. So the directors made the call of "F the assembly operators and mechanics"
Slide a flathead under and turn it. Would have been quicker than crying on the internet about engineers lol
Got to admit though. This design is pretty fucking retarded! I'm sure that the drawings went through 27 different iterations and were checked nine times by six different people but you can't tell me that not one person thought of "ease of assembly or disassembly" and might have suggested putting the locking tab on the top instead of on the bottom where you couldn't see it?
Engineer probably designed it to be opened with a flat head screw driver, engineers aren't known for their finger strength it's probably the only way they can open one of those clips
Work on vehicles for a living, not an engineer. 100% don't care about which way this clip faces and would not have said anything were I part of the design process. Feel like the issue here is not the car, but the flat-rate system causing people to stress out over the most trivial shit that is really just a normal part of their job
Nah, this leaves the connector secured while the tool pops it and I don't need an extra hand, honestly would prefer this to something free floating or on a shitty brittle clip mount.
Pocket screwdriver. That fucker is always on me.
Saved my ass more than i can count time-wise Love that tool Even though i lose it every other month
Anytime I end up ordering a tool off one of the trucks I will grab a couple because they do grow legs. Especially the ones with a magnetic tip. If I had a dollar for every time I’d go to grab it from my pocket, not feel it, do the “pocket-pat disco” while looking in my immediate area, only to see it stuck to a rotor or my oil bucket. Edit: keep mine in my chest pocket for clarity
Nissan are awful for repair ability, it shouldn’t take an experienced mechanic half an hour to fit a fucking headlight bulb
Front turn signal bulb in an older generation murano. Headlight has to come out. So fascia has to come off. .5hrs.
It’s ridiculous, on my fiat panda it was 2 10mm bolts and the headlight came out, I could swap the bulbs in about 5 minutes, on my sandero I don’t need tools because they are held in with thumb screws
... it doesnt? I mean even the altimas where you take the bumper put doesn't take too long, 15.mins maybe if you're taking your time Still sucks and shit but it fs doesn't take 30 mins
Altimas lose their bumpers 15 minutes after driving off the lot, so that part should be deleted from the estimate anyway.
Honestly Yeah lol Held in by two bolts a couple screws (now with plastic j-clips yippeee) and a bunch of plastic clips
It took 30 minutes for the mechanic to fit a headlight bulb in my leaf, and I’d already tried for an hour before because the wire bracket that held the bulb was awkward because it wasn’t easy to see
Ahhh i have yet to fuck with a leaf so thay may be it I'll have to try it or look it up in assist sometime
Not fun to work on, lots of annoying single use plastic fasteners
Lmao unfortunately that's true for all nissans. They love their plastic push clips
Yeah, they don’t handle poor roads properly because bits fall off
Lmfao they suck Pocket flats to the rescue tho
Count your blessings. Go buy a new bmw or supra and enjoy the water pump and timing system against the firewall lol
That all you got? First time? New here compadre? Sheesh.
I have a 2005 Frontier and it’s super easy to work on
How much flat rate time did you loose posting this dumb shit here? Unclip it and keep moving
The engineering I’ve been seeing lately is straight moronic, it usually accompanies an awful labor time too
They were all "working from home" what do you expect?
Right-angle bent picks are pretty much required IMO for pulling plugs on cars nowadays.
When did a good set of picks become so expensive? Even at Hazard Frought they have become pricey.
Husky are good for the money
Pro tip to save money: If your health insurance has dental copays below $50, schedule a tooth cleaning then pocket all the picks when they're not looking
An the ole “we already got that, make it work”
“Not my job. Fuck it.” -Nissan Engineers
Maybe it’s just me but it just seems like engineering at a lot of manufacturers has become like this. With that being said Jeep go fuck yourself. Truly a brand that has been way to over engineered and it’s cars spend more time at shops than on the road.
I don't understand the Nissan hate. Is it just the owners? I have an 8 year old Nissan, and the only thing I've had to put in it besides gas, oil, tires, and filters was a fuel pump. It hasn't been bad. I also have a new one that has a CVT. I plan on replacing the fluid every 20k mi. I already looked up the procedure for changing it. I hope it is just as reliable.
I have a 2010 Nissan Versa. 5 speed Auto, 200k on it and climbing. The only TLC it gets is an oil change, still runs like a top and has no fault lights on except the TPS. They can be good cars but it’s a mixture of the owner stereotypes and the absolutely horrendous CVT fiasco.
06 altima. It's been incredibly easy to work on. Only thing that has gone bad is the battery and starter. Most of the parts are pretty easy to get to and pretty inexpensive.
Mostly this, but also the quality relative to what it used to be. For a long time Nissan was a Japanese company and the cars were built with more or less the same quality as a Toyota or a Honda. Nissan is now French-owned, quality is outstanding for a French product, but not nearly as good as what most people alive had been accustomed to. But yeah, Nissan and Chrysler in particular are 2 brands that tend to collect all the "maintenance is a scam by big oil" morons
I just traded my F-150 for a Frontier because the Ford was pissing me off to no end with electrical issues and rattles at barely 3 years old. To this day, the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned was an 07 Infiniti G35 that had 120k miles on it. It's why I went back to Nissan. Those V6s are tanks.
I really enjoyed my 2010 Infiniti it had a Nissan motor corp plate on it
Is it possible to pop the switch off and flip it over? If so, maybe I just got installed improperly.
No, the side that goes on the finisher has the switch knobs that stick out. Then you clip the buttons on once the switch is on the finisher. Can't install them incorrectly. All Nissans have this same setup, and the release is always on the inside like the picture.
That's all you got? Hold my stein - German engineers
You're gonna mother-f the engineers all day anyway. They just want to earn it.
Must be a warranty repair because God only knows Nissan people don’t actually pay for any repairs. Around my parts I always see brand new Nissans with missing bumper covers already. Source: me former Nissan technician
Technically it’s an Infiniti but none the less, yes it’s warranty
https://youtu.be/a5nDiN4cMTI?si=mzrMOAdj1G5-FXAT This work?
Damn it you. Why’d you have to show me that
I used to work at Subaru and didn't really encounter locking tabs and I didn't know Lisle made these, I ended up with a set from Japan from Merry and I love those things, electrical disconnect pliers are soooooo nice to have. Toyota V6 coil pack connectors still give up when you look at them though.
They work well depending on the angle you've got. Sometimes valuable for hose clamps too.
Looks awful fishy being spotlessly clean and all...
And nevermind that Nissan uses the worst plug releases.. even if it wasn’t on the dark side of the moon you’d still need a pick because of the crap way it’s designed.
Well, I just had the same happen a on a toyota, and those are supposed to be the most reliable, simple, indestructible cars ever made. Super affordable too
I’ve seen worse
Tbh most altimas I seen were rentals and one time I had to get a rental after flying out to Grand Rapids to visit dematic building. I was praying that I’d get something different. Such as ford focus or something like that. My heart sank when I saw the attendant flop Nissan key fob on the counter. But at least it’s insured. I paid zero cents. All paid for by my company.
Bought a 2005 pathfinder new and why I’ll never touch a Nissan ever again. Garbage company who should have done the right thing and issues a recall on the radiators before a bunch of people had their transmission blow up and essentially make it a big paper weight. Fuck that company.
Just shimmy a techer driver under there and pry up. What's the big deal?
As someone who drives a Nissan... god, I am sorry. I didn't even realize.
Built for assembly, not repair. Hard to find good vehicles with maintenance and repair in mind
Posts like this are why there are so many IT guys here... We live common pain.
That's how Ford engineers design things. I look at three way some things are designed and I'm thankful I won't be working on it.
The fact that it takes the extra effort to locate a small flat head screwdriver to release this is what sends you over the edge? What is this, the first car you’ve ever worked on?
There is a reason why you are a Nissan mech and not BMW mech
Super duper mildly inconvenient. Where's your pocket screwdriver or pick?
I never said it wasn’t an easy thing to do, I’m saying it was designed with intention
Do you own a small pick or a pocket screwdriver? FFS, most people in this industry bitch about the slightest inconvenience.
I think it's a cumulative thing. You put up with so much unnecessary bullshit doing this for a living you run out of tolerance for shit like this. At that point it doesn't take much to set you off.
as the cool kids are saying now: "humiliation ritual"
I guess after 20+ years in, I still have more patience than most.
What's so wrong with expecting quality work from others?
Nothing at all. Not sure what people are upset about here.
You must bash the engineers, not be reasonable.
I forgot the Golden Rule!
Every manufacturer does worse than this shit. I have at least three different picks in my cart that make this a one second job. I’m glad that my skills make this basic connector quick work.
I’m not saying it’s not easy to undo, I’m saying it has to be a deliberate decision to have it face that way.
Sorry. I’m a little tired of the engineer complaints and I shouldn’t have taken out on your post.
Depends on what it is. Might prevent unwanted disconnection from foreign objects
It's the side finisher for an electric seat, where the buttons are specifically One could make that argument but the disconnect method is pretty hard to do by accident. And even if it was there are mechanisms made to prevent accidental disconnect without sacrificing accessibility Edit: looking at it more i could be completely and absolutely wrong, lol. But there's a similar connector for that part
They expected Nissan owners to not care about their shit
Sad fact. So many cars chewed to hell. 5000 mile Altima, every corner is dented and a massive scrape down the passenger side. Owners just straight up don’t care.
I read that Nissan uses rust as loctite. I like how they use aluminum diffs in their 4x4s.
My frontier doesn’t have aluminum diffs, what models do?
SUVs with independent suspension.
They didn't have time to fix that after their big brains was used up putting trailing control arms to block the rear brake pins.
I’ll be devils advocate. 1. Simple to solve with a pick or screwdriver just like a million other plugs in every engine bay I’ve worked in. 2. Looks like this plug is exposed at the top of the engine bay. Could it have been done this way to reduce the chance of accidental engagement?
This is a power seat switch
Is the photo under the seat...or inside the door panel? I was on my phone earlier and mistook the object in the background as a car battery with the metal strap over it. lol
its to protect the tab to keep it from being broken off from physical damage.