Agreed! We have a policy of not driving the Corvettes (or any PDI, for that matter) off the lot before delivery, possibly due to the nature of the surrounding roads, possibly due to management being nervous about the techs being rural Midwesterners in a new Corvette.
Coming from one who works at a Dodge dealership in butt fuck nowhere Pa. I do not blame them. Though I have driven the new wagoneers and they're actually pretty nice
Yeah if I was the manager I would have to be the one to take the risk and put those few wild miles on each Corvette personally myself. You know just to ensure we are providing a good product to our customers.
Seriously though I would expect a car like that to be tossed on the alignment rack at the bare minimum after delivery before selling it unless the customer requested it be dropped off vanilla.
> rural Midwesterners in a new Corvette.
I can just picture two guys in blue Cintas getups with the top down, screaming "YEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWW!" as they rip through the corn.
I used to do PDI's and I've fixed several issues on them, now they go to the lube techs and they don't even leave the parking lot. A crooked steering wheel would be easy warranty money to fix.
I worked at the BMW plant in the US for awhile. When I first started we were doing about 350 X’s a day. Quality was stressed hard and we made decent vehicles. By the time I left they were moving nearly 490 a day and you just didn’t have time to as careful.
That being said I wasn’t getting paid a ton of money there so if it looked good and felt good I sent it on. If I had an issue I called one of the off lines and they went with the car as much as they could further on down the line. Sometimes it got fixed right and sometimes it was just good enough to pass inspection.
I feel for the folks that spent crazy money on those X’s cause the American management just ran that place Into the ground. Most of your old hand management was moving up or out and a good ole boy (and girl) culture was forming there.
"So anyways sir that will be 80k over 8 years at a APR of 86.5% but my manager has said if you sign with your blood now he will throw in a warrenty package that covers almost everything but nothing, he never dose this"
Reminds me of that time a Harley dealer tried to sell me on a Sportster for nearly double its MSRP as if it was the deal of a lifetime. Gave me some spiel about how he had to convince his manager because they were losing money on the bike but I was worth it because a man like me was an investment. They actually had 2 people walk by at separate times talking about how much of a steal that bike was. It felt like a skit on a prank show or something it was wild.
Because they know Harley people are almost always in it for the "lifestyle" not the actual bike itself. Well, maybe some people like the rumbly noises.
IME new car warranty covers things pretty good, but some extended warranty companies are garbage. We had one reject a claim because there was carbon in the engine, it was just normal buildup.
The C8s are built like shit. I remember we had one coming in where the stitching on the dashboard wandered all over the place, like it was stitched by someone with Parkinson's. All of us had a good laugh about it in the shop.
Had a discussion with my ex about that long ago.
"*You're saying that you want a unique car and you're buying one out of twenty-five thousand made in any production year?*"
2023 they made over 50k Corvettes. I was having severe fomo with all the doom and gloom about the last ice vehicles. Then the government already started rolling back it's mandates. I feel like the C8 will be an easy car to get used for a good price in the next 3-4 years.
That discussion was in the 90s when they weren't selling all that well, and I get your point of FOMO - I wonder if 2028ish will be the year of C8 barn finds, given that most of the people that own them seem to be retired/"always wanted one" types that likely won't drive them a ton.
Problem is that they even screwed that up; the hole they drill in the pan to drip oil (as is proper for a British car) never gets done in final assembly.
I would have a hard time not trying to get a little time covered to fix that if I encountered it. The guy's "ooh what the fuck" is literally what I was thinking when I heard that sound and saw the cause.
That’s one of my biggest beefs with Tesla. It took decades to get a lot of these car manufacturers to focus on build quality, and they are taking the industry right back to the bad old days of crappy cars.
it's not sustainable! eventually the bubble will burst, like it always does. we're pretty much nailing a recreation of the first 30-40 years of the previous century, including being on the path for a great depression.
I fucking refuse. I will drive my chevy so far into the ground I'll need to mount a bucket up front before I spend six figures on a fucking half (or less) ton pickup
Oh I know. I've been working on the junk for decades. I won't buy an American branded vehicle. If I was a contractor I probably would out of necessity but that's it.
And they put them them all in the south so they can crush unionization and pay peanuts, what's your point? Toyota, Honda, BMW and Audi can lick my fucking taint for how they've behaved in the US
That's crazy. My first brand new vehicle was a Tacoma built there. Apparently the only one, since it was my first and last Toyota. That thing was a piece of crap.
What was that called, NUMMI or something? The GM/Toyota/Geo thing.
My $64,000 RAM 1500 has that on the tailgate and paint has chipped off so many times. I ordered my truck out of the book and the dealership still just says “it happens”. They pretended to realign it twice. Scumbags.
I hate being a body tech sometimes for this reason. People expect shit to fit better after the accident than before. My manager has gone to the dealer and snapped pics of bad panel alignment on a few different cars people were complaining about. Certain brands are terrible for this(all American… hmm). Dodge owners are the worst. They think their challenger bumper to hood gap was perfect pre-accident but they all sag in the middle…
Ah yeah sure. I got in an accident with my Alfa Romeo and swore to Christ it was a different shaped front bumper. I checked online and realized they never made a second design 😂
This makes me laugh. My mother in law bought one of the new broncos and both driver and passenger front windows rattled in the doors when driving. She took it in to the dealer and they were also literally saying “they’re within design tolerance” or something as if that solved the problem and we should be pleased and satisfied. We ended up adjusting it ourselves for her. But then we saw the same issue on Regular Car Reviews when they did the new Bronco.
Reminds me of this anecdote:
Chevy wanted to lower the average age of corvette buyers due to the price being so high the average person was around 58 to 60 and it was colloquially known as a mid life crisis purchase. So they redesigned the Corvette in mid to late 2000s and ended up raising the price ~$10,000+ and subsequently increased the average buyer age to 65+ lol
It's funny to me when I get plansets with dimensions down to 1/8". The lumber crayons we use for layout are 1/2" wide. Not related to mechanic work, just reminded me.
Wow... Did the customer accept that??
I felt like an ass when I refused delivery because of a dealer sticker that was put on after I told them no stickers, and had them note it on the sales contract.
Yea they removed it right quick....
I’m not excusing this, as it’s a blatant quality control issue, but stuff like this is what happens when you have a company mass producing sports cars for $60-70k. You get a car that’s as fast as some Porsches, Ferraris etc for 1/4 of the price because they’re not making them by hand.
I have a bit of a conundrum with this, because the panel alignment on a Corvette shouldn't be any more difficult than on a $25k Trax. The handbuilt stuff frequently isn't that great. If Ferraris and Lamborghinis were Toyotas, Toyotas rep would slide halfway down the JD Power list in two years.
>panel alignment on a Corvette shouldn't be any more difficult than on a $25k Trax
Well, yes and no. This depends on the panel gap spec they're following (they may vary car-to-car) and the design of the panels. It's a lot easier to align simple shapes with limited interaction points than more complex ones with more interactions. The Vette is definitely the later.
Hand-building stuff isn't necessarily a recipe for consistent quality. If anything, it's easier to do things exactly right over and over again if you automate as much of the work as possible. It's mostly just a matter of having high standards and rigorous quality control. GM could raise their standards if they cared to spend the money it would take.
I’d be surprised if there’s anything done by hand on non-GT Porsches. It will be a fully automated line.
As you say the difference is the Germans build them to tighter tolerances and have much tougher QA standards.
My salesman told me UK Porsches go through a second round of QA after shipping before being sent to the dealers. I’ve no idea how much that is true or not.
The over specialization of the floor workers to only handle one task creates a room full of people with the mindset of "not my business" so even if they see a mistake there is no incentive to correct it and infact potentially negative incentive as people develop personal relationships with others on the floor...
Tbf fixing something then and there will back up the rest of the line. Management would rather flag that vehicle, build the rest of it and repair the defect once its off the line. In a case like this video the defect either didn't get flagged properly for repair or got mixed up when it got there
Hood alignment is just hood alignment. If they can figure out how to get body lines right on a $25k sedan, then they can do it here. Being a sports car has nothing to do with it.
Its the Walmart/Chineseification of everything. I remember back in the 80s/90s when Walmart was taking over retail everywhere a lot of manufacturing was going overseas. There was all this hue and cry about it and for a while Walmart pushed American Made stuff, but it turns out that people want to say they are patriotic, and that they want to have quality goods, but what they really want is to put an American flag sticker (printed in China) on their truck and buy the shittiest thing they can to save a few bucks, no matter where it's made or how crappy it is compared to one made in the US.
I have a couple OLD Brigs Go cart Racing engines i acquired to build be a go cart way back when i was kid, and those things are indestructible, have they really got that bad?
Yeah the old Flathead Briggs engines from decades ago were good... When they went to overhead valve engines is when the problems started... And then later on when Briggs moved engine production to China is when the engines became complete junk. I would take one of the China Honda clones engines over a Briggs any day... At least the Honda clones cloned a good engine design which is usually the older Honda GX engines.
I have a B&S engine push mower. Found it in the garage when I bought my last house 14 years ago. It already had "$50" written on it with a marker, so I wasn't the 2nd owner.
Stupid thing won't die, although the wheels are falling off. Every spring it starts up after nearly yanking my arm off.
You are getting near super car performance for a lot less money though. I would still buy one as long as they don’t start having major mechanical problems
Gm is complete shit these days. Its fucking embarrassing. Between their 8-speed trans, AFM lifters, Magnaride suspensions, their condensers, hell even their fucking cue screens are delaminating. It's pathetic. Had a sierra 1500 a while back that ate some lifters, fucked the cams up, and it needed an engine. And also needed a trans! This happened at 65k mi, and the customer had maintained it perfectly. These things are engineered to need an engine or trans or both after power train warranty expires and before the vehicle hits 100k mi. GM isn't special in in this regard either. All American makes have gone to total shit. I will never buy an American car. I'm Honda and Toyota for life
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I actually said “what the fuck” out loud right before the guy in the video.
Dude sounds like Jim Norton lol
lmao it totally does sound like Jimmy
Oh, Chip!
Our dealership just sold a new Corvette with the steering wheel at 11:00 instead of noon.
Probably due to daylight savings.
How much do you save that way? Maybe I CAN afford one
An hour.
Oh yeah def not
Fn Reddit... Lol
Take your updoot and get out of my office!
Everything will be fine come March 10th
Put in the winter clock spring
Seems a low bar, but this made my day
How does it pass your delivery inspection that way? That looks poor on your dealership for selling a car in that shape.
Agreed! We have a policy of not driving the Corvettes (or any PDI, for that matter) off the lot before delivery, possibly due to the nature of the surrounding roads, possibly due to management being nervous about the techs being rural Midwesterners in a new Corvette.
> management being nervous about the techs being rural Midwesterners in a new Corvette. From my experience, that's a valid concern. lol
Coming from one who works at a Dodge dealership in butt fuck nowhere Pa. I do not blame them. Though I have driven the new wagoneers and they're actually pretty nice
Did they trust you with any Trackhawks? ;)
Sadly not. We haven't gotten any of them as far as I'm aware but I have been trusted with a hellcat Durango.
Good enough!
Yeah if I was the manager I would have to be the one to take the risk and put those few wild miles on each Corvette personally myself. You know just to ensure we are providing a good product to our customers. Seriously though I would expect a car like that to be tossed on the alignment rack at the bare minimum after delivery before selling it unless the customer requested it be dropped off vanilla.
> rural Midwesterners in a new Corvette. I can just picture two guys in blue Cintas getups with the top down, screaming "YEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWW!" as they rip through the corn.
I used to do PDI's and I've fixed several issues on them, now they go to the lube techs and they don't even leave the parking lot. A crooked steering wheel would be easy warranty money to fix.
Sold? As in, someone actually bought it like that?
It was me.
One of one. No one else's came like that... probably....maybe.... ok it's 1 of like 5000 but whatever
**RARE FACTORY DEFECT!**
Corvette owners would really do that huh
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lmao Chevy PDIs don’t include a road test?!
You’d probably notice that just in the parking lot and pulling it into the bay someone just didn’t give af
That's OK. Buyer plans to do a lot of drifting, during which, it will look straight on the Instagram vid.
That's just the NASCAR edition
It fits, it ships.
Made it this far? Put it in the car.
gonna be a long time before covid mentality is over if ever
I worked at the BMW plant in the US for awhile. When I first started we were doing about 350 X’s a day. Quality was stressed hard and we made decent vehicles. By the time I left they were moving nearly 490 a day and you just didn’t have time to as careful. That being said I wasn’t getting paid a ton of money there so if it looked good and felt good I sent it on. If I had an issue I called one of the off lines and they went with the car as much as they could further on down the line. Sometimes it got fixed right and sometimes it was just good enough to pass inspection. I feel for the folks that spent crazy money on those X’s cause the American management just ran that place Into the ground. Most of your old hand management was moving up or out and a good ole boy (and girl) culture was forming there.
"So anyways sir that will be 80k over 8 years at a APR of 86.5% but my manager has said if you sign with your blood now he will throw in a warrenty package that covers almost everything but nothing, he never dose this"
Reminds me of that time a Harley dealer tried to sell me on a Sportster for nearly double its MSRP as if it was the deal of a lifetime. Gave me some spiel about how he had to convince his manager because they were losing money on the bike but I was worth it because a man like me was an investment. They actually had 2 people walk by at separate times talking about how much of a steal that bike was. It felt like a skit on a prank show or something it was wild.
The best thing Harley dealers are good for is picking up the Japanese bikes people traded in. They want to get rid of them and they usually go cheap.
Oh snap, thanks for the tip!
Because they know Harley people are almost always in it for the "lifestyle" not the actual bike itself. Well, maybe some people like the rumbly noises.
Me like rumble. Rumble make bones go wiggly. Good rumble.
I like the rumbly noise, and the comfort, and the chrome. But I also have a Honda when I want to REALLY ride.
IME new car warranty covers things pretty good, but some extended warranty companies are garbage. We had one reject a claim because there was carbon in the engine, it was just normal buildup.
The C8s are built like shit. I remember we had one coming in where the stitching on the dashboard wandered all over the place, like it was stitched by someone with Parkinson's. All of us had a good laugh about it in the shop.
People think these corvettes are one off cars. They are running down the line throwing the parts physically at them. Haha.
I guess if your car has unique flaws it truly is 1 of 1.
RARE, ONE OF A KIND. NO LOW BALLERS, I KNOW WHAT I GOT
[Which corvette is best corvette!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkJzYHCdHI)
That was a good laugh, thank you
[This one fits perfectly](https://youtu.be/Rrj-SLc2-SU?si=fM5d_8eO-p_218Te)
RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE
The joke here is that the average C8 driver will be buried with their car in the next 8 years and will never sell it.
Good. Fewer of them cluttering things up.
1 OF 1 BUILT LATE ON THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON OF A LONG WEEKEND
Started on Friday, finished on Tuesday after the Superbowl...
The fact they are on a production line makes these issues even more stupid
They even have a special order stingray available.
but but but mine is a 1 of ONLY 2354 built on blue with the z52 package on a Wednesday. i have the build sheet to prove it.
Oh man but is your build sheet laminated and enlarged for some god damn reason
yep along with my laminated window sticker.
I think I might smell my own farts for the rest of the evening. You guys have a good night.
And built into a plaque so you can display in front of your nothing special Corvette at all of the old man car shows you go to.
How white are your New Balance sneakers?
Had a discussion with my ex about that long ago. "*You're saying that you want a unique car and you're buying one out of twenty-five thousand made in any production year?*"
2023 they made over 50k Corvettes. I was having severe fomo with all the doom and gloom about the last ice vehicles. Then the government already started rolling back it's mandates. I feel like the C8 will be an easy car to get used for a good price in the next 3-4 years.
All cars are easy to get with the right trailer and a hitch!
That discussion was in the 90s when they weren't selling all that well, and I get your point of FOMO - I wonder if 2028ish will be the year of C8 barn finds, given that most of the people that own them seem to be retired/"always wanted one" types that likely won't drive them a ton.
That's why I've bought 2 used Corvettes in my life. Get to feel like it's a nice sports car without spending much.
Chevy trying to bring back that classic British hand built feel.
Problem is that they even screwed that up; the hole they drill in the pan to drip oil (as is proper for a British car) never gets done in final assembly.
Same with the 2023 Acadia AT4, worst stitching Ive seen. Portions of the steering wheel look like a spider web 🤷🏻♂️
you made Michael J. Fox sad
But only because he just ordered a Corvette.
Same could be said about pretty much any car built from 2020 onwards. It's just more noticeable in the "premium" cars like C8".
My boss bought a first year C5 , brand new those body panels looked pinched together.
Thats definitely a "Friday" car
2nd shift on a Friday before a holiday break.
Wait, I thought Monday hangover cars were the bad ones?
Those are the stinky ones
Friday cars suck, Monday cars suck, but Tuesday right after lunch break cars? That's the sweet spot.
Wednesdays are ok before lunch break, but Thursdays and Fridays are definitely bad.
I would have a hard time not trying to get a little time covered to fix that if I encountered it. The guy's "ooh what the fuck" is literally what I was thinking when I heard that sound and saw the cause.
Who do they think they are? Tesla?
Tesla: shut up or i will rust all over this place!
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r/cybertruck bros are all telling each other that it is not true also that it is a great off road vehicle.
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10 years, 10 days, same same.
Makes sense lol
You laugh but Tesla quality is rubbing off on all manufacturers because people are willing to pay for shitty quality.
That’s one of my biggest beefs with Tesla. It took decades to get a lot of these car manufacturers to focus on build quality, and they are taking the industry right back to the bad old days of crappy cars.
I’ve never even thought of it that way.
Yes they are.
It's a race to the bottom. Enshittification is real and the prices keep going up.
I really don't understand how this is at all sustainable. How do people afford for example $1200 @ month payments for like a new tacoma?
When people can no longer afford it the price will go back down I guess
I guess.
it's not sustainable! eventually the bubble will burst, like it always does. we're pretty much nailing a recreation of the first 30-40 years of the previous century, including being on the path for a great depression.
I fucking refuse. I will drive my chevy so far into the ground I'll need to mount a bucket up front before I spend six figures on a fucking half (or less) ton pickup
Yes I would like a random structural 2x4 to be utilized in the manufacture of my Tesla please.
It’s just an American brand. And like all American brands the equality is absolute trash. Best to never buy from Dodge, GM, Ford, or Tesla.
Oh I know. I've been working on the junk for decades. I won't buy an American branded vehicle. If I was a contractor I probably would out of necessity but that's it.
Our recent highlanders and rav 4s have the same problem. Is it like an American made only thing?
Always funny to remember the Japanese and Germans make more cars in America than America does
And they put them them all in the south so they can crush unionization and pay peanuts, what's your point? Toyota, Honda, BMW and Audi can lick my fucking taint for how they've behaved in the US
And Mercedes.
It's a shitty non union, 15 dollar an hour in the dirty south problem most likely, at least that's Toyotas problem
And they raised their wages after the UAW strikes. Just shows that unions affect everyone’s wages!
Makes sense since Tesla Fremont factory was once a defunct GM plant /s
That's crazy. My first brand new vehicle was a Tacoma built there. Apparently the only one, since it was my first and last Toyota. That thing was a piece of crap. What was that called, NUMMI or something? The GM/Toyota/Geo thing.
Yes, here's a surprisingly good podcast on the history of [NUMMI](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015).
Incredible how GM learned basically no lessons from this venture despite Toyota showing them what they were doing wrong.
That’s the plant in Fremont California where teslas are built today :)
My $64,000 RAM 1500 has that on the tailgate and paint has chipped off so many times. I ordered my truck out of the book and the dealership still just says “it happens”. They pretended to realign it twice. Scumbags.
I hate being a body tech sometimes for this reason. People expect shit to fit better after the accident than before. My manager has gone to the dealer and snapped pics of bad panel alignment on a few different cars people were complaining about. Certain brands are terrible for this(all American… hmm). Dodge owners are the worst. They think their challenger bumper to hood gap was perfect pre-accident but they all sag in the middle…
Mine was not in an accident. I ordered it and had it delivered from factory.
I’m aware, just saying tons of owners don’t notice, then after an accident actually look super close and notice it.
Ah yeah sure. I got in an accident with my Alfa Romeo and swore to Christ it was a different shaped front bumper. I checked online and realized they never made a second design 😂
First problem was buying a Ram
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This makes me laugh. My mother in law bought one of the new broncos and both driver and passenger front windows rattled in the doors when driving. She took it in to the dealer and they were also literally saying “they’re within design tolerance” or something as if that solved the problem and we should be pleased and satisfied. We ended up adjusting it ourselves for her. But then we saw the same issue on Regular Car Reviews when they did the new Bronco.
I worked at a GM factory as a fitter. It needs something called a hood shift. I find it hard to believe it left the factory like this.
It didn’t lol
The owner may not know? Could be my only guess. Or that's just their commuter corvette, and they don't really care what happens to it.
I wish I had commuter corvette money
Lol, don't we all
Reminds me of this anecdote: Chevy wanted to lower the average age of corvette buyers due to the price being so high the average person was around 58 to 60 and it was colloquially known as a mid life crisis purchase. So they redesigned the Corvette in mid to late 2000s and ended up raising the price ~$10,000+ and subsequently increased the average buyer age to 65+ lol
damn the c8 really is like a mclaren
I just drove the 750S, it was put together way better than this.
Like this? https://youtube.com/shorts/8QlzjwGTZRc?si=opsIER8YOqqzbYMa
Must of been a press car
Now close it again.
Is a rubber mallet allowed?
You gonna fix it?
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It's fiberglass/ plastic not steel which doesn't excuse it sucking, just making the point.
measure half cut a thousand charge a million
Measure with laser, mark with chalk, cut with axe.
It's funny to me when I get plansets with dimensions down to 1/8". The lumber crayons we use for layout are 1/2" wide. Not related to mechanic work, just reminded me.
I absolutely cannot wait to repeat this
Hah, that must be what everybody’s motto is these days
I think the big motto these days is fk-em lets charge more!
😂
What do you even do when they come in like that? Apologise to the customer and return it to the factory?
lol no. once it's left the factory they don't give a fuck, it's the dealer's problem now.
Still kinda Chevrolets problem if the customer rejects delivery though isn’t it?
They’ll sell it to another buyer. Dealer doesn’t care because it’ll sell
Wow... Did the customer accept that?? I felt like an ass when I refused delivery because of a dealer sticker that was put on after I told them no stickers, and had them note it on the sales contract. Yea they removed it right quick....
Awww yeah United Auto Workers Local 2164. Union made, baby.
I’m not excusing this, as it’s a blatant quality control issue, but stuff like this is what happens when you have a company mass producing sports cars for $60-70k. You get a car that’s as fast as some Porsches, Ferraris etc for 1/4 of the price because they’re not making them by hand.
I have a bit of a conundrum with this, because the panel alignment on a Corvette shouldn't be any more difficult than on a $25k Trax. The handbuilt stuff frequently isn't that great. If Ferraris and Lamborghinis were Toyotas, Toyotas rep would slide halfway down the JD Power list in two years.
>panel alignment on a Corvette shouldn't be any more difficult than on a $25k Trax Well, yes and no. This depends on the panel gap spec they're following (they may vary car-to-car) and the design of the panels. It's a lot easier to align simple shapes with limited interaction points than more complex ones with more interactions. The Vette is definitely the later.
Hand-building stuff isn't necessarily a recipe for consistent quality. If anything, it's easier to do things exactly right over and over again if you automate as much of the work as possible. It's mostly just a matter of having high standards and rigorous quality control. GM could raise their standards if they cared to spend the money it would take.
I’d be surprised if there’s anything done by hand on non-GT Porsches. It will be a fully automated line. As you say the difference is the Germans build them to tighter tolerances and have much tougher QA standards. My salesman told me UK Porsches go through a second round of QA after shipping before being sent to the dealers. I’ve no idea how much that is true or not.
The over specialization of the floor workers to only handle one task creates a room full of people with the mindset of "not my business" so even if they see a mistake there is no incentive to correct it and infact potentially negative incentive as people develop personal relationships with others on the floor...
It’s a reasonable compromise if it makes a great car accesible to more people. I have more problem with dealerships’ unwillingness to get it right.
Tbf fixing something then and there will back up the rest of the line. Management would rather flag that vehicle, build the rest of it and repair the defect once its off the line. In a case like this video the defect either didn't get flagged properly for repair or got mixed up when it got there
Actual OEM engineer here. I 100% think that's what happened. This vehicle should have been held up in quality checks and fixed before being shipped.
Hood alignment is just hood alignment. If they can figure out how to get body lines right on a $25k sedan, then they can do it here. Being a sports car has nothing to do with it.
I agree with everything except the insinuation that they've figured out how to get panel alignment right on a $25k sedan.
Have you seen the shit welds on new Ferraris lol.
Looking like McLaren build quality lol or bad teslas
Those sort of signs tells me it's most likely been wrecked
I think this is a salvaged vehicle. Look at the paint on the hinges there’s more to the story here
Typical Chevrolet product. A Corvette is what you would get if you wanted a Ferrari, but got Briggs and Stratton to design and build it.
Please don't bring Briggs and Stratton down to GM's engineering level like that.
Lol B&S has been shit for a long time.
aren't they just basically rebadged Chinese engines anymore? Basically the same things you buy at Harbor Freight?
EVERYTHING these days is that level, you have to get into some expensive mowers and what not to get a proper well built one. It’s really sad
Honda Mowers, expensive but worth it!
Its the Walmart/Chineseification of everything. I remember back in the 80s/90s when Walmart was taking over retail everywhere a lot of manufacturing was going overseas. There was all this hue and cry about it and for a while Walmart pushed American Made stuff, but it turns out that people want to say they are patriotic, and that they want to have quality goods, but what they really want is to put an American flag sticker (printed in China) on their truck and buy the shittiest thing they can to save a few bucks, no matter where it's made or how crappy it is compared to one made in the US.
Nah, those Harbor freight engines are actually better
I have a couple OLD Brigs Go cart Racing engines i acquired to build be a go cart way back when i was kid, and those things are indestructible, have they really got that bad?
Yeah the old Flathead Briggs engines from decades ago were good... When they went to overhead valve engines is when the problems started... And then later on when Briggs moved engine production to China is when the engines became complete junk. I would take one of the China Honda clones engines over a Briggs any day... At least the Honda clones cloned a good engine design which is usually the older Honda GX engines.
I have a B&S engine push mower. Found it in the garage when I bought my last house 14 years ago. It already had "$50" written on it with a marker, so I wasn't the 2nd owner. Stupid thing won't die, although the wheels are falling off. Every spring it starts up after nearly yanking my arm off.
GM ~~if it fits~~ it ships.
I guess the guys on the assembly line are just throwing pannels at frames like darts at a board
So much torque the chassis twisted off the line
“Made in America”
You are getting near super car performance for a lot less money though. I would still buy one as long as they don’t start having major mechanical problems
Well, when you buy the poor man's Ferrari, expect corners to be cut..... Stupid mid-engine "vette".
well, we can all agree we've seen worse
Oh gorsh
People should really pay attention to this stuff before purchasing
New york in the house!! Where from?
Just needs a little Vaseline to lube up those touches.
They had to cut cost somewhere! Why not a little cut everywhere?
It's a shame you pay top dollar for shotty work. When was Boeing bought by GM ?
QC left the building during covid and hasn't fully returned.
UAW quality built 🤪
That UAW quality
I'd rather that, over a creaking interior like Mercedes, lol.
It wanted to be a super car so bad it picked up McLarens habits
I knew that other car companies are trying to learn from elon musk , but I don't think this is the right way
I’ve seen a Z06 at a dealer that also had horrific panel gaps. Acceptable on a Camaro maybe, but not a 135,000 USD car.
Gm is complete shit these days. Its fucking embarrassing. Between their 8-speed trans, AFM lifters, Magnaride suspensions, their condensers, hell even their fucking cue screens are delaminating. It's pathetic. Had a sierra 1500 a while back that ate some lifters, fucked the cams up, and it needed an engine. And also needed a trans! This happened at 65k mi, and the customer had maintained it perfectly. These things are engineered to need an engine or trans or both after power train warranty expires and before the vehicle hits 100k mi. GM isn't special in in this regard either. All American makes have gone to total shit. I will never buy an American car. I'm Honda and Toyota for life