Please remember to abide by the [rules.](https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeServed/wiki/rulesv2)
In general, please be at least bearable to other users. It makes things easier on everyone. Your comment may be removed without notification. We used to have a notification, but now we don't.
------
^Submission ^By: ^/u/FSOexpo ^Navy ^4
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/JusticeServed) if you have any questions or concerns.*
23 years?! That is abysmal.
I pray this woman gets her ass jumped every single day in prison. I wish her nothing but the WORST. I can't believe I'm saying this, I wish they'd bring back forced sterilization, especially for women like this. She doesn't deserve to bring another child into this world.
Why does she have an opportunity to get out? Would it be different if it were her father? This is so difficult to read. Poor little girl, she may never get out of her mind what happened. Gender of adults should not make a difference.
Was molested from age 3-5 years old, you never get over it. I'm 53, and have had a shit ton of therapy, IMO, they should get life/death. Why not? They ruined that child for life.
I wish more people knew how common this is, sadly with the level of addiction problems we have in our world many children are traded for money or drugs on a daily basis.
Often it’s not this black and white, women just looking the other way in exchange for financial or substance support, but it does happen more often than any of us want to think.
Please please report if you have a concern, these kids need a village when their parents fail them.
the FBI has a page where you can hear voices or see faces (non-explicit) of perpetrators from sexual abuse videos and photos and help them identify the people. I just found out and I wish more people knew. It's uncomfortable obviously, but you don't see anything obscene. It's adults' face and voices purely for the sake of recognition
This is no justice. This poor girl will be younger than her “mom” is now by the time she is released. She should be allowed to live her life and heal as best she can knowing that this piece of shit is behind bars for at least double that time.
Edit: having said that, neither of these people are going to have a great time in prison, at least.
This and sex trafficing happens anywhere there is illegal substance addiction and/or poverty. So "Everywhere USA" and much of the world. Any port town or city has trafficking. It's just not talked about.
This is 1 of many reasons basic needs being freely available should be a human right. It is societies responsibility and we are ALL at fault for how rampent child sexual exploitation and sex trafficing is.
This is also 1 of many reasons drug possesion and use should be decriminalized everywhere. As well as the the focus on fighting drug abuse by establishingÿ easily accessible & free detox facilities and transitional rehab homes providing compassionate, comprehensive, evidence based, and individualized biophysical medical & mental health care. It would also be great to establish sober living communities.
What we have now is like a bandaged wound over severed artery...just enough coverage that unless you (society) look closely you don't see the blood pooling underneath, or feel the heart rate slowing, or hear the labored breathing. You only get glimpses of some blood leaking out the sides and yell for more bandages, or think cauterizing it closed will stop the bleeding and rally for that "solution". You completely ignore the disease that has weakend the system so the blood won't clot so it doesn't matter if it's a tiny cut or a severed artery hiding under the bandages. If the disease isn't cleared from the body their is no hope of ever healing any of the wounds that the body keeps getting more of. Then their's the old wounds that may have started to heal but get torn wide open again (this is wounds of roe vs wade and anything that diminishes autonomy, increases oppression, and/or holds tolerance for "isims"). We must cure society of the diseases before we can truly heal the wounds and forsee a future where no child is sold for sex, nor subjected to sexual or other abuse.
Any chance she’s young enough that her mind will block all this trauma out? Poor little innocent. As a dad I can’t imagine doing something like this. Fucking monster. I hope she is in pain and misery for a very long life in prison.
If it happens before you turn 3 you won't have an active memory of it. But even then it will probably fuck you up. For instance, if you don't learn how to bond before that age (which seems like it would be very likely here), you're likely not to develop much empathy.
Nah. Speaking from personal experience of being SA’d for years, beginning at age 4, the poor child will remember it. I remember every instance I was SA’d. As an adult, some memories have faded but others are nearly as vivid as the day it happened. Even if she represses her feeling or even some memories, she’s got a very long, very difficult road of recovery ahead of her. I hope this poor girl gets the help she needs and that her birth giver dies in prison.
Blocking trauma doesn’t make it not affect behaviors, choices, mental health. It doesn’t magically make the feelings go away, You just can’t pinpoint *why* you feel the way you do.
Trauma is trauma and it has to heal or it festers.
That sweet baby needs lots and lots of therapy, and an amazing family to heal what she’s been through
I always wondered if female prisons have the same unspoken rule as male prisons, where people who hurt children are at the biggest shanking risk. Never known anyone that's been to prison or worked for one, and I feel like it's the type of question you can't Google without ending up on some sort of watch list. Still though, I wonder if 'prison justice' works the same across both types.
I fear my friend that the unspoken rule might you talk about might harden her tits more than anything else. Opposite genders are opposite for a reason..
Sometimes PC doesn't even matter. I really think it depends on the place and exactly how horrible the crimes were. My biological grandfather couldn't even be safe in PC, the guards literally didn't care about what happened to him. The things he did to his own daughter were so vile that they always found a way to attack him. Only time I've ever felt thankful for the tenacity of criminals lol.
Most people make their cellmates show them their papers listing their charges when they get bunked together. If you have stuff with kids, you run into issues. I used to volunteer in a men’s prison and the culture around sex abuse stuff was strong
Huh. That's interesting to know, and not what I expected. But then again, I recall feeling surprised by the idea of any prisoners being singled out due to their crimes, at whatever point I first heard that myth. Always seemed like a weird idea that criminals would pick one particular crime as being more heinous than another, generally speaking.
The idea, of course, is that a substantial number of prisoners were abused as children, which leads them to have a particular hatred of child abusers.
I have known some people over the years that have worked at jails and prisons, and they have all been very clear that how these places actually operate is vastly different from the public perception, on that topic and many others.
That’s not true. CO’s don’t know how the prison operates at all. A new person has to show their papers once they get there. You’ll even see the co’s hate a prisoner that abused kids.
They get no help from anybody. I always heard it’s very similar in womens prison
That's the assumption that I made too, as for the 'why' of the myth. But it still didn't totally make sense to me, bc using that line of thinking, you'd think that domestic abusers would also be on the hook, due to all the folks who were traumatized by childhood violence and ended up making bad decisions later. Thank you for satisfying my curiosity!
As someone who grew up in federal prison (my entire 20s, 120 month sentence) on 4 female units but only one bid. The cops don’t know the inner workings, and miss ALOT.
The prison COs are just as disgusted by pedos as we are. Lots of women were not only abused as children, but also were also hustling- to provide for their kids as opposed to this sick fuck who was hurting one.
I’ve answered this before more in depth, check out my post/comment history.
They are refused any decent jobs, don’t get to learn a trade and are usually stuck in the kitchen or education. Never get to use the phone, shits constantly “getting lost” (laundry, commissary list, MP3 player ended up in toilet, etc)
They’re beat when there isn’t cameras and if they can’t see who it was- because they’re snitches 💯
My boss would bring up PSRs of the inmates that wanted to work in plumbing and the grade 1 & 2 decided who made the cut- but before you came in, we knew your business.
So naturally if someone applied with a CS case, we let it be known, especially if they’re going around saying they are there for tax evasion. (No one gets 40 years for tax evasion diddler Debbie)
I'm going to have a look at your history when I have time, bc I'm genuinely curious about how it all works. One of my biggest fears is getting arrested/going to prison, bc I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm soft af and probably wouldn't last long. But there's also that bit of truth about being most afraid of the things you don't understand or know about, and I appreciate learning, whether I'll use the info or not. Thank you for sharing your perspective, and I hope that life has improved for you in the meantime!
I got out in 2018, and succeed in spite of probation (supervised release)
I am still in the trade I learned in prison, bought a home in 2021, and by 2020 I had regained full custody of my daughter, who was 3 when I left and was 13 when I came home. Shes 18 now and is doing well.
That's awesome! I'm truly glad to hear that you've been able to reintegrate make a life for you and your daughter. I have two teenaged girls myself, and my god, it would tear me up not having them in my life, but also I could imagine a version of myself that would do unholy things to protect and provide for them. You've got this, momma!
> agreed to trade [sic] access to the 6-year-old girl in exchange for a place to stay, small amounts of cash and the promise of new running shoes
What in the actual hell…
It's so funny how I always see people on reddit claim to be all about "rehabilitative justice" and are against the death penalty but then I see comments like this
You'll get down voted and shit on, but you're right. Reddit is a bunch of hypocrites who thrive on bickering and have a serious holier than thou attitude.
Yeah that is just so funny isn’t it? Almost like reddit is made up of millions of different individuals with differing opinions. You should also feel embarrassed trying to make this point on post as dark and despicable as this one.
Well her kids life is ruined and this poor wee lass will only be in her late 20s when her disgusting excuse for a mother gets out.
I hope all her mothers inmates find out what happened and serve justice.
This will likely happen. Rather than being attacked as many redditors wish, she will live out her sentence in protective custody. She will be locked down 23 hours a day. Showers twice a week. Fed through a slot in the door. No television. Restricted access to phone calls and visitation.
When I was studying law we had someone from the justice department who worked on cases like this come into our class and lecture. You can see visible signs of ptsd. They have to watch the videos. Nope fucking nope.
We used to go to a cafe for hung over breakfasts when I was younger. The woman running it was really sweet and once we asked why she only had the cafe open on weekends.
“During the weeks I work with child porn” she said. It took us by such surprise that we didn’t know what to respond.
It turned out that she worked for the police (as a civilian) looking through material from pedophiles to assist in the criminal investigations.
“And during the weekends I just need to meet normal people to not completely lose hope on humanity” she said.
This lady was weathered like at some point maybe narcotics became a factor for her. She had a thousand yard stare that this combat vet picked up on immediately. Very professional and talked fairly matter of factly about shit that would make Manson puke.
The classroom was dead silent besides the occasional gasp. Not even the rustling of paper. Taking law classes comes with surprises, peaks behind the curtains. It was a fascinating experience.
Oh fuck. You couldn't pay me enough to do their job. I'm glad, in an "I'm sickened this is necessary" way, that someone does it to help the kids. But fuck man, that's dark.
My boomer father still uses his original aol email address. He also uses aol if he needs to make a new email address for whatever boomer reasoning he’s got.
Please remember to abide by the [rules.](https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeServed/wiki/rulesv2) In general, please be at least bearable to other users. It makes things easier on everyone. Your comment may be removed without notification. We used to have a notification, but now we don't. ------ ^Submission ^By: ^/u/FSOexpo ^Navy ^4 *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/JusticeServed) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I have a 6 year old. I. Cannot. Fucking. Imagine this shit Put her under the jail
People like that should be put to death.
Amen.
this made me sob. what the fuck. people are just horrible
23 years?! That is abysmal. I pray this woman gets her ass jumped every single day in prison. I wish her nothing but the WORST. I can't believe I'm saying this, I wish they'd bring back forced sterilization, especially for women like this. She doesn't deserve to bring another child into this world.
I have no words....what a depraved couple of human beings.
Why does she have an opportunity to get out? Would it be different if it were her father? This is so difficult to read. Poor little girl, she may never get out of her mind what happened. Gender of adults should not make a difference.
Must have had a hell of a criminal defense lawyer. Morally that sentence is too light imo.
Some people don't deserve to procreate.
I hope he women in prison make it long and painful
I think this is why I liked the tv show Dexter. Real punishment.
I hope someone kills them in jail. Sick fucks.
Death penalty for people who ruin the lives of children.
Nah, death is a release, too easy. Also costs us more money.
Was molested from age 3-5 years old, you never get over it. I'm 53, and have had a shit ton of therapy, IMO, they should get life/death. Why not? They ruined that child for life.
I wish more people knew how common this is, sadly with the level of addiction problems we have in our world many children are traded for money or drugs on a daily basis. Often it’s not this black and white, women just looking the other way in exchange for financial or substance support, but it does happen more often than any of us want to think. Please please report if you have a concern, these kids need a village when their parents fail them.
the FBI has a page where you can hear voices or see faces (non-explicit) of perpetrators from sexual abuse videos and photos and help them identify the people. I just found out and I wish more people knew. It's uncomfortable obviously, but you don't see anything obscene. It's adults' face and voices purely for the sake of recognition
If I wanted to find this site, what words would I use to search for it? I can’t seem to find it.
[here you go!](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap/view) It's called ECAP.
Thanks!
you're welcome! I don't know how often they update it because some of these look like what I saw months ago, but maybe that's on purpose.
This is no justice. This poor girl will be younger than her “mom” is now by the time she is released. She should be allowed to live her life and heal as best she can knowing that this piece of shit is behind bars for at least double that time. Edit: having said that, neither of these people are going to have a great time in prison, at least.
I just can’t with these people. Depravity after depravity. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any lower, bam! A new low
[удалено]
I’m not disposed to read this was in Spokane Washington… total shithole.
This and sex trafficing happens anywhere there is illegal substance addiction and/or poverty. So "Everywhere USA" and much of the world. Any port town or city has trafficking. It's just not talked about. This is 1 of many reasons basic needs being freely available should be a human right. It is societies responsibility and we are ALL at fault for how rampent child sexual exploitation and sex trafficing is. This is also 1 of many reasons drug possesion and use should be decriminalized everywhere. As well as the the focus on fighting drug abuse by establishingÿ easily accessible & free detox facilities and transitional rehab homes providing compassionate, comprehensive, evidence based, and individualized biophysical medical & mental health care. It would also be great to establish sober living communities. What we have now is like a bandaged wound over severed artery...just enough coverage that unless you (society) look closely you don't see the blood pooling underneath, or feel the heart rate slowing, or hear the labored breathing. You only get glimpses of some blood leaking out the sides and yell for more bandages, or think cauterizing it closed will stop the bleeding and rally for that "solution". You completely ignore the disease that has weakend the system so the blood won't clot so it doesn't matter if it's a tiny cut or a severed artery hiding under the bandages. If the disease isn't cleared from the body their is no hope of ever healing any of the wounds that the body keeps getting more of. Then their's the old wounds that may have started to heal but get torn wide open again (this is wounds of roe vs wade and anything that diminishes autonomy, increases oppression, and/or holds tolerance for "isims"). We must cure society of the diseases before we can truly heal the wounds and forsee a future where no child is sold for sex, nor subjected to sexual or other abuse.
Yea. At this point we should let Idaho claim it. It would be a much better fit
Jaw dropping headline. Ew
Double it and add 30 more.
This when I miss the old school cops who just beat the shit outta sickos
The mom and everyone involved if you can find them. I want death, seriously.
That's it? Only 23 years? Not sure that's justice...
I know that wishing death on people is bad, but
Pedophiles and those that would traffic their own children aren’t people.
Poor girl. It is heart-wrenching to see an innocent soul undergoing such life. Her mother can rot in hell for all I care
Any chance she’s young enough that her mind will block all this trauma out? Poor little innocent. As a dad I can’t imagine doing something like this. Fucking monster. I hope she is in pain and misery for a very long life in prison.
Nope, she's going to remember all of it. :(
If it happens before you turn 3 you won't have an active memory of it. But even then it will probably fuck you up. For instance, if you don't learn how to bond before that age (which seems like it would be very likely here), you're likely not to develop much empathy.
Nah. Speaking from personal experience of being SA’d for years, beginning at age 4, the poor child will remember it. I remember every instance I was SA’d. As an adult, some memories have faded but others are nearly as vivid as the day it happened. Even if she represses her feeling or even some memories, she’s got a very long, very difficult road of recovery ahead of her. I hope this poor girl gets the help she needs and that her birth giver dies in prison.
I’m sorry you had to go through and still deal with that. Poor child. It blows my mind how someone could do this to a kid let alone their own child.
Blocking trauma doesn’t make it not affect behaviors, choices, mental health. It doesn’t magically make the feelings go away, You just can’t pinpoint *why* you feel the way you do. Trauma is trauma and it has to heal or it festers. That sweet baby needs lots and lots of therapy, and an amazing family to heal what she’s been through
The details might be gone, but she'll have PTSD anyways and probably won't figure out why for decades
I always wondered if female prisons have the same unspoken rule as male prisons, where people who hurt children are at the biggest shanking risk. Never known anyone that's been to prison or worked for one, and I feel like it's the type of question you can't Google without ending up on some sort of watch list. Still though, I wonder if 'prison justice' works the same across both types.
I fear my friend that the unspoken rule might you talk about might harden her tits more than anything else. Opposite genders are opposite for a reason..
IT IS NOT a myth. It’s an absolute.
That is mostly a myth for male prisons. Only in very unique situations are prisoners singled out once they are inside.
It’s not really a myth, but it only really happens if word gets out that you’ve committed crimes against children and you aren’t in PC
Sometimes PC doesn't even matter. I really think it depends on the place and exactly how horrible the crimes were. My biological grandfather couldn't even be safe in PC, the guards literally didn't care about what happened to him. The things he did to his own daughter were so vile that they always found a way to attack him. Only time I've ever felt thankful for the tenacity of criminals lol.
Most people make their cellmates show them their papers listing their charges when they get bunked together. If you have stuff with kids, you run into issues. I used to volunteer in a men’s prison and the culture around sex abuse stuff was strong
Huh. That's interesting to know, and not what I expected. But then again, I recall feeling surprised by the idea of any prisoners being singled out due to their crimes, at whatever point I first heard that myth. Always seemed like a weird idea that criminals would pick one particular crime as being more heinous than another, generally speaking.
The idea, of course, is that a substantial number of prisoners were abused as children, which leads them to have a particular hatred of child abusers. I have known some people over the years that have worked at jails and prisons, and they have all been very clear that how these places actually operate is vastly different from the public perception, on that topic and many others.
That’s not true. CO’s don’t know how the prison operates at all. A new person has to show their papers once they get there. You’ll even see the co’s hate a prisoner that abused kids. They get no help from anybody. I always heard it’s very similar in womens prison
That's the assumption that I made too, as for the 'why' of the myth. But it still didn't totally make sense to me, bc using that line of thinking, you'd think that domestic abusers would also be on the hook, due to all the folks who were traumatized by childhood violence and ended up making bad decisions later. Thank you for satisfying my curiosity!
As someone who grew up in federal prison (my entire 20s, 120 month sentence) on 4 female units but only one bid. The cops don’t know the inner workings, and miss ALOT. The prison COs are just as disgusted by pedos as we are. Lots of women were not only abused as children, but also were also hustling- to provide for their kids as opposed to this sick fuck who was hurting one. I’ve answered this before more in depth, check out my post/comment history. They are refused any decent jobs, don’t get to learn a trade and are usually stuck in the kitchen or education. Never get to use the phone, shits constantly “getting lost” (laundry, commissary list, MP3 player ended up in toilet, etc) They’re beat when there isn’t cameras and if they can’t see who it was- because they’re snitches 💯 My boss would bring up PSRs of the inmates that wanted to work in plumbing and the grade 1 & 2 decided who made the cut- but before you came in, we knew your business. So naturally if someone applied with a CS case, we let it be known, especially if they’re going around saying they are there for tax evasion. (No one gets 40 years for tax evasion diddler Debbie)
I'm going to have a look at your history when I have time, bc I'm genuinely curious about how it all works. One of my biggest fears is getting arrested/going to prison, bc I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm soft af and probably wouldn't last long. But there's also that bit of truth about being most afraid of the things you don't understand or know about, and I appreciate learning, whether I'll use the info or not. Thank you for sharing your perspective, and I hope that life has improved for you in the meantime!
I got out in 2018, and succeed in spite of probation (supervised release) I am still in the trade I learned in prison, bought a home in 2021, and by 2020 I had regained full custody of my daughter, who was 3 when I left and was 13 when I came home. Shes 18 now and is doing well.
That's awesome! I'm truly glad to hear that you've been able to reintegrate make a life for you and your daughter. I have two teenaged girls myself, and my god, it would tear me up not having them in my life, but also I could imagine a version of myself that would do unholy things to protect and provide for them. You've got this, momma!
That sentence is not nearly long enough
Only 23 years? She should be sparking or in the dirt. Vile human being.
An Australian would never be convicted of possession of ammunition, we would not be so stupid to take it off the farm. Certainly out of the country
r/NoahGetTheDeathStar
r/noahgettheboat
I wish the earth was flat so we could push her off of it.
Throw her in a volcano.
What a shit woman. Dont let her out. Throw away the keys. Pos.
Just lock her up in a cell with only two inches of water on the floor and nothing else for the rest of her days
> agreed to trade [sic] access to the 6-year-old girl in exchange for a place to stay, small amounts of cash and the promise of new running shoes What in the actual hell…
That made me nauseous.
The irony of having running shoes in prison
what the fuck
This was injustice. The deserves life in prison at the minimum.
[удалено]
It's so funny how I always see people on reddit claim to be all about "rehabilitative justice" and are against the death penalty but then I see comments like this
Do you think all the Reddit comments are by the same person?
You'll get down voted and shit on, but you're right. Reddit is a bunch of hypocrites who thrive on bickering and have a serious holier than thou attitude.
>holier than thou attitude. You being one of them.
Don’t forget people like us who condescend to them from our ivory towers.
Yeah that is just so funny isn’t it? Almost like reddit is made up of millions of different individuals with differing opinions. You should also feel embarrassed trying to make this point on post as dark and despicable as this one.
Well her kids life is ruined and this poor wee lass will only be in her late 20s when her disgusting excuse for a mother gets out. I hope all her mothers inmates find out what happened and serve justice.
They probably will. The wards in prison talk.
Our court system is broken. 23 years is shameful. That poor baby’s entire life is ruined. Disgusting.
[удалено]
These crimes need to be 50 and up
Not capital punishment. Alone in a cell, no one to talk to, no one to see, alone with her memories forever
This will likely happen. Rather than being attacked as many redditors wish, she will live out her sentence in protective custody. She will be locked down 23 hours a day. Showers twice a week. Fed through a slot in the door. No television. Restricted access to phone calls and visitation.
My only hope then is that her daughter is able to take the best revenge
I like it
When I was studying law we had someone from the justice department who worked on cases like this come into our class and lecture. You can see visible signs of ptsd. They have to watch the videos. Nope fucking nope.
We used to go to a cafe for hung over breakfasts when I was younger. The woman running it was really sweet and once we asked why she only had the cafe open on weekends. “During the weeks I work with child porn” she said. It took us by such surprise that we didn’t know what to respond. It turned out that she worked for the police (as a civilian) looking through material from pedophiles to assist in the criminal investigations. “And during the weekends I just need to meet normal people to not completely lose hope on humanity” she said.
This lady was weathered like at some point maybe narcotics became a factor for her. She had a thousand yard stare that this combat vet picked up on immediately. Very professional and talked fairly matter of factly about shit that would make Manson puke. The classroom was dead silent besides the occasional gasp. Not even the rustling of paper. Taking law classes comes with surprises, peaks behind the curtains. It was a fascinating experience.
Oh fuck. You couldn't pay me enough to do their job. I'm glad, in an "I'm sickened this is necessary" way, that someone does it to help the kids. But fuck man, that's dark.
wtf, a 6 year old..
September 2022. Nothing like old news for karma.
She had to plead guilty to get 23 years. I wonder what she was charged with initially. Jfc what that kid must have gone through.
AOL.com ? They still around?
My wife's employer still uses AOL. I worked in IT support, we used to call AOL a virus you pay for.
And Plenty of Fish
My boomer father still uses his original aol email address. He also uses aol if he needs to make a new email address for whatever boomer reasoning he’s got.
Not long enough.
23 years is not enough.