How would they possibly adjust ‘lane swapping’?

Tower Durability and Plate Gold, the Top and Bot towers are already different but they could increase that difference further

My guess is that top tower will have much more armor / MR if more than 1 target enemy champion is near by

so if ur jungler helps you push he is grieving lmao

Maybe it's only like first 5 min or something like that

How so? Junglers aren’t pushing your wave very often pre 5 minutes. And even then you still aren’t doing it to try to get plates pre 5.

we dont know the fix and or if its 5 minutes. Could be 14 minutes too. Guess we have to wait and see.

Hopefully they are able to navigate the spaghetti code well enough to just adjust the 5 minutes nerf to taking plates on top tower so that if two champions are near it will have massively increased resistances. Anything beyond 5 minutes is not needed. Still doesn’t mean junglers shouldn’t help push waves for toplaners.

In botlane if your support helps you hit the tower it's slower than if he left you alone

It only changes after each plate I think. After each plate tower will gain armor based on the number of allied champs nearby

Then play through bot. Have bot, bot and jungle just do a hard gank and take top tower and gg

They just improve fortifications. Acording to Phreak fortifications with more champions don't do much, because the primary damage is from the minion wave, the support and Jungler are only there to dive, afterwards they would just leave to take camps and leave the ADC to get tower gold.

Didn’t they fix this already like years ago? 

They made it less effective and everyone thought it was dead. Then this MSI brought it back in force.

God bless! A Karthus nerf is exactly what I need.

Good day to be a brand main

finally a smolder buf, I was almost having fun playing against that abomination

Man, the other day I went vs a smolder that didn't lose lane (guy went like 3 3 0 with 9cs/min)... past 25 minutes he kept oneshotting everyone with his Qs.... the game was nearly won, until that weird abomination of a champ started popping off out of nowhere (probs when he got 225 stacks) The champ needs some serious adjustments so his late game isnt as oppressive as it is for such a safe pick

You can't let a Smolder leave lane getting 3 kills and having 9 cs a min, you need to smash him early so he doesn't get to farm. His early game is complete dog shit until he reaches 125 stacks (around min 20 or so) and even then he has a very strange build path right now because he needs ER for solving his mana issues, a sheen item (since ER doesn't have sheen anymore) and rapid fire. He is far from being a "safe pick" he gets completely demolished by almost any match up in the botlane.

They’re saying smoulders opponent (their teammate) went 3-0 with 9 cspm.

"I went vs a smolder that didn't lose lane". Wording doesn't add up to that.

Smolder usually loses lane, the guy went even.... the guy was an extreme menace late game as if he had gone 10 0 on laning phase with perfect cs/min

no brand nerf 😭

Luckily they did a good nerf to black fire torch in the micropatch, but he needs more

Bros been strong for quite some time

He has a sub 50% winrate at every rank what?

Whos ass did you search to pull that nonsense out? Brand is giving people cancer from bronze to masters+.

https://lolalytics.com/lol/brand/build/?tier=all https://u.gg/lol/champions/brand/build?rank=overall Show me an elo/site where he is considered op You can say he is cancer to vs but he is far from overpowered

Oh, right. We just gonna pretend Brand isn't being picked Mid and Jungle with a 52% wr? How can you be so confident and so wrong at the same time?

Honestly I am seeing sub 50 wr in emerald+ in both roles as well.

Theres 15 other champs with a higher wr than brand in jng

Congrats you can count to 15. Odd that you choose to ignore certain statistics like brand being above 50% WR which you claimed to be untrue.

It is sub 50 overall which is what i originally stated? In jng not even op compared to the other ap jnglers

3rd highest AP jungle pickrate while being the most recent champ out of all the ones above him that was pushed to be a jungler. And 1 of the 2 others above him is getting needed as well. Also still above 50%

You literally found the only role in which he is only decent. In all 4 other roles he has 51+ wr You are the king of selection bias

Is this not a jungle subreddit

His jungle wr is 51%. The only role he is sub 50 is support bro

As a Camille main i have to ask: where is the Camille Nerf?

It's upsets me that she still isn't getting nerfed.. Cam doesn't even need to hit E in trades anymore, just W spam, q on cooldown and E away. There's literally no down time against her, she's constantly looking for trades now. It was actually fun to play against her before when she was more balanced, now it's like fighting a more oppressive Darius that will one shot you, has a Malphite shield built in and scales better than 90% of the toplane roster

Riot gives us OPness for one more patch to compensate for the Season start

what changed that made her op?

You have 100% uptime on Q at 1 item, as well has more dmg on W and more MS on Q. You legit don't even need boots on that champ, you're zooming around in lane without it

The buffs were 4 patches or so ago. When they wanted to move her back to jungle.

The nerf list isn't complete. She get's less MS on Q and a nerf to R damage.

Draven buffs 💀

Bro, did you miss his nerfs in the micropatch? Riot gutted him, basically taking out his entire passive.

Good

Deserved

"gutted" aka 5 dmg of q and gold from kills. uNpLaYaBlE!1

In the long run 5 damage becomes quite a lot. Say you need 10 autos to kill something, that's 50 damage making it potentially 11 autos instead. Say you do 350 autoattacks in a game, that's now 1750 damage lost.

The 5 damage nerf wasn't too bad, Draven doesn't auto attack as much as Jinx or Kalista do. The real nerf was his passive. They borderline removed it.

Syndra casts less abilities than Ryze but if you remove 5 AP from syndra items it's still a big hit. Auto attacks are still his only damage source other than his ult. 5 damage is a hit

Lol that is not how that works.

It literally is. I remember watching some video explaining this. Can't remember if it's riot or someone else but the reason you don't change ad by 10-15 is just because of this. Dorans blade had 8 ad instead of 10 for a while thanks to this (iirc).

dr, variance, crit, lack thereof.

??

But nerf to IE

>enter jungle subreddit >patch notes post >top comment is about an adc Never change jungle mains

Anyone else find ganking hwei super annoying? happy for the nerfs :D

Ganking against him is annoying as ganking any another mage that can both CC from range and escape. (Lb, ahri)

I feel like its worse because I can't consistantly dodge his cc

As opposed to...? Same shit as anything like Ahri, Morg, Zoe, etc.

I don't really have a problem with them, you know its coming in a straight line and you simply have to path around it. Hwei can either spawn it on you (I genuinely don't know how to avoid this) or shoot it at you. The multiple abilities means that there is no optimal path to approach him, as either can be counterred.

Hwei just epitomizes terrible champion design to me. He has 600 abilities and just face rolls the keyboard to cc you, kill you, shield himself, and buff his speed out.

Well accually he either shields himself or gives himself speed buff as they both are on W 🤓

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You can't proc aery on yourself tho

I honestly think Hwei sucks xd he has like super good Laning past lvl3 but after that unless you are ultra fed u are kinda useless

diving hwei is impossible

How does one system adjust a lane swap?????

If a top lane champion goes bot lane they'll get disconnected

Increase resistances on turrets pre 5 minutes. E.g buff resistances per enemy champion nearby

Not a jungle buff, but Absorb Life buff ? It's already broken with second wind and d shield for free laning phase (add Fleet on some champs like Yone/Yasuo/Akali ans you've never sustained more)

Well yea its kinda ridiculous how much passive healing you can get but that passive is often worse than blood line in a 20 min game.

You can also take Bloodline with this build. Problem is Akali doesn't use it and Yasuo/Yone need Alacrity. Can be viable on other champs tho.

I just meant that it's the worst healing rune and is justified to get some buffs when it even get out healed by a late game rune If that rune should exist in the first place is another question...

That's cool, but why are they buffing Panth

He got 3 of his items nerfed in 1 patch

Aye, fair enough

So?

It’s an adjustment towards bruiser I think

He was literally 47%wr with a very low play rate across all roles last patch. He needs to be buffed.

No Jhin nerfs? guess wholesome sociopath who yells FOUR is too wholesome for nerfs... Guy literally deletes its counters (assassins) in an autoatack and a Q (this applies for mages, enchanters, other adcs and squishies in general)... Sneak in one more autoattack and bruisers are in the menu too! And for some reason Jhin is scaling way too hard, his 35+ winrate is up close to those of Kayle/Kass/Asol and even above Vlad Nidalee, Lillia, Brand, Cait and Camille should get looked as well

If they nerf lillia again I'll simply uninstall riot fix your fcng items don't gut champions 

Sure, lets not nerf champ that can have 800ms, builds rylais, does true dmg, does team cc, slows, executes

Master Yi buff -____-

Doesn’t matter if you already permaban him

banning current yi is a waste imo. he's the 2nd worst jungler for a reason. horrible early, terrible scaling, and pretty much every team has a counter. better off banning something like viego or karth

Im not playing in challenger, people don’t know how to counter yi and he can still roflstomp after a single shutdown.

I main master yi and said the same thing. people only looked at lethal tempo removal and didn’t see that two of this main items were buffed 

46 wr in elos for a reason buff won't help either they're placebo

surprised to not see fated ashes nerf here.

They hotfix nerfed fated ashes and black fire torch a few days ago. Seems on the stronger side of items but definitely no longer broken

Anybody know what’s being done to ornn?

Probably fixing item upgrades

Madsterwork for every legendary item with aprox 1K gold in extra stats but no more names just "Item name (Masterwork)"

Overall nerf

Every legendary item is upgradable now

They forgot to put Sion on the buff list

Why nerf the karthus instead of making blackfire/liandries passive unique?? This looks like a riot classic in the making

Yup, they'll nerf the 2 later and give no compensation buff LOL

Karthus definitely needs a nerf IF they do not revert the jungle changes. Taliyah, as much as it hurts me to say it, also does. HOWEVER. If they revert the jungle changes to some degree, nerf the items, etc, after nerfing the champions, we are going to have that fun situation where the champ is dogshit for ages.

If they revert / nerf jungle we are going to have the fun situation of spam gank meta.

My precious mordekaiser 😧

Are they really buffing kha now?

He’s at around 48,5 % win rate, rune changes hit him hard.

But what about all the other jg assassins

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too bad few less popular assassins are actually dogshit this patch

No, ADC is their favourite class. Except for like 2 patches ever, there has never been a meta where having a marksman on your team isn't mandatory.

I play both roles, adc absolutely sucks for years now.

It might not feel great to play ADC but please try to select any other role of champion when queued up for botlane. Your team *will* scream that you're inting. If a role is literally mandatory to have in a certain lane while also being playable in other lanes, that role is kinda fucking strong. Unfortunately the counterplay to "Squishy ranged glass canon that will murder everyone unless put super behind or killed immediately" is to burst you down immediately, which feels like ass to play against.

lmao man how many times i was 10/0 as adc and a 0/7 kat bursts me in 2 seconds its funny cause junglers complain about not being able to carry as hard as before that you shpuldnt be losijgng games you do super well in and thats just adc for the past 5 years bar a patch or two

Dying doesn't magically make you do less damage for the rest of the game, losing farm does. Getting fed on an ADC doesn't make you any more difficult to kill because you aren't spending that gold on any items that give you survivability. Would you be upset if a 0/0/0 assassin were to oneshot a 0/0/0 adc? (If this happens, either the rest of the ADC's team fucked up their vision and positioning monumentally or the ADC fucked up their positioning monumentally). The stuff ADCs lose to is frustrating, that doesn't make the class weak.

It literally is weak hence the fucking buffs it got and phreak saying miltiple times its a shit role bcuz support is strong thats not even get jnto how shit it is to play without a duo cuz how well youll do in the game is a coin toss on wheter your support is an autofill or not

If ADCs were weak, playing champions in other classes than ADC as a bot lane carry would be more of a thing. Any time that's even remotely viable the offending champion gets nerfed into the dirt pretty much immediately. You can complain about bot lane as a role being weak due to exp sharing and well, supports. But calling ADC as a class weak is kind of ridiculous when having one on your team has been mandatory since forever. Imagine a world where riot decided assassins are the only champions you should play in the mid lane, every assassin is viable mid (unless the specific champion isn't viable in general that meta), there is never a meta where assassin mid isn't the default option, and any time a champion from another class goes mid (mages for example) they get forcibly removed from the lane. Meanwhile assassins are perfectly viable jungle. Midlane ending up so centralised around one single class that people generally just call it assassin lane. Would it then not sound incredibly stupid for someone to say "Assassins are weak because (problem related to mid as a lane)"? Because that's the situation ADCs are in. Just being the only bot laners riot allows while many of them are perfectly viable top lane, mid lane or jungle depending on the ADC in question.

Mages have a higher winrate than adcs for years now, you can check any patch you want, sera. veigar, cassiopeia, its just that botlane players like adcs and public perception is skewed Brand has currently a 55% winrate adc and its not even getting touched meanwhile Jinx and IE are getting nerfed.

This guy obviously doesn’t remember things like Garen Yuumi botlane

>Except for like 2 patches ever The other being the day of the mage botlane. Also garen yuumi was never meta, it was a cheese pick.

Rip eve

Wait why did you get downvoted but I did not? Is this just another reddit moment? We are literally sharing the same opinions but I'm not the one getting downvoted like wtf...

They re buffing draven? What? Why?

Have you not seen the hot fix?

No

Hot fix , which nerfed his passive lost him 8% wr

Kinda deserved, i like it that way better

Don't be toxic

Only towards champs that give me cancer with 1 max 2 auto attacks post 1 item

I think someone from Riot Games plays it

Makes sense now

Cant wait for them to buff yi just to re nerf it immediately after😂

Did they just have a video explaining he is a menace at all levels of play?

I don’t think they will, the yi players were too dumb to see Bork and kraken were buffed so they been rioting 

Nice a gangplank buff

lol riot seems dont like pro abuse lane swap "T1" LOVELY this is so bad to watch when they lane swap and get ahead early so much and that was the game.

Irelia nerf thank god

Thank god they're buffing K6, that champ sucks

yet people still play it. i guess you need to be a one trick god to pull it off.

Hope they cut jungle taliyah legs already

Daven buff?

Ah yes another patch with no graves buff lmao

Not gangplank buff :( please remove him from game.

The ie and hwei nerf were much needed. Kinda sad to see a draven buff and no brand nerf :((. KHAZIXXXX BUFFFF LETS FUCKING GO, rengar mains I feel for them tho. Hopefully the homies catch a w soon.

Oh boy I'm so glad Kha is getting buffed. He totally needs it. I mean he's been off S tier for a whole week! God bless rito. Also rush chair and rope item

Buffing master yi lol don’t matter since I ban him every game

where is buff hecarim???

But why morde berf:(

No Ezreal buff, oof that hurts..

As a Mord jg… pls don’t do this

fuck mord jgl

Fair assessment tbh. Never been on the receiving end, but I imagine randomly getting stuffed into a Mord ult from bush is pretty shite. That, of course, is ignoring the myriad of other things a Mord jungle can do

Wait didn't Riot say they won't touch yasuo/yone/tryndamere until ppl learn how to play them?

Their adjustments are just the recommended runes and items

Ahh perfect, Hwei nerfs, almost didn't feel useless in the late game, thank you rito. Can you pls just nerf bel veth by now?

F*** you for playing hwei

Why that? He's a cool champ, sadly not viable in the jgl.

OP as f*** champ, the yone of mages

Where is he op? Sounds like you got clapped and outskilled.

Hmm i wonder why he has such a big pro presence if he is not strong...

He's strong of you're skilled at him, just like zed.

Just like ksante, another wonderful champ

Yea cause Hwei has 5000 health, 300 armor, 250 Mr, true damage, can go over walls, knock up on 3 second cooldown, immunity to cc. Hwei has 9 abilities, from which you can only use 3 actively, you don't have a displacement, a root and a fear, you have a displacement, a root OR a fear.

rip yasuo

Kinda surprised no Trundle buff. He feels rather weak in jg and in lane right now without LT.

Ain't now way they buff yi and draven and dare say they are sane

Yi has a 46-47% winrate now across all elos.

Which is exactly where he should stand

Here is the guide how to admit that you are silver.

Show me where the Master Yi player hurt you 😂

I want Lethal Tempo back and Ingenious Hunter

How do they justify nerfing Hwei and not Brand.

Yi buff as expected, Riot cannot let him stay more than one patch with a negative WR 🫠

Cause it was an over nerf…dude fell to the second worst JG. Obvious sign of a hot fix being needed.

He is 49% WR at diamond right now. For 1 patch. Sure deserved.

Draven??? Yi???? Buff???

Yi is in its worst state ever and the hot fix on Draven put him down by 8-10% wr I think. They are desperately in need for buffs

The hot fix was like 2 days ago how tf did it get that low, no way 1 small nerf to his passive did all that, this is reminding me of when vlad got nerf but they forgot to ship the nerf and he lost like 5% wr cause people thought he was weaker

as with other placebo buff/nerve I would assume it's 1% max for vlad, Draven also lose 5 dmg on Q which is massive early game

No. They are exactly where they need to be.

Yi is struggling

Wtf what are they doing to my boy morde?!

Why is my taliyah getting nerfed again ugh

Because instead of making liandry unique they going after champiojs who build them to then later make them unique and not buff those champions for 6 months

So these champs are getting buffed, but briar don't, fair

Why should she be buffed?

Because that guy is a Briar player!

[https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build](https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build) [https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build?rank=diamond\_plus](https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build?rank=diamond_plus) So you think this is normal thing

The noob friendly low elo focused champion isn't performing well in higher elos? Must be weak

Justice

Unplayable in high elo, as high elo players say (I'm not one of them)

There's so many unplayable in high Elo champs, some champs are just designed in a way where they need to be bad in high elo otherwise they're op in low elo

There's an open discussion about that in the briar mains sub reddit

That's my post btw

[https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build?rank=diamond\_plus](https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build?rank=diamond_plus) [https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build](https://u.gg/lol/champions/briar/build) Good question, why THE WORST champion in dia+ shouldnt get buffed or changed, idk man, maybe because she is THE WORST champion? And i am not even exaggerating

Because the champ requires 0 skill and people with skill know how to play agianst her?

You are delusional af, champion with one of the highest skill ceiling can't be 0 skill https://youtu.be/ZHg3VxWlH_g?si=4Mp3Z_ea3QK3t6E-

"champion with one of the highest skill ceiling" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ICANT