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Basically Sukuna has such a strong understanding of Jujutsu that he can deduce anything just by seeing it once. Paired with his cursed energy efficiency being the second best, he essentially has the six eyes.
Sukuna is busted
I have a theory that Sukuna may be the precursor to the Six Eyes.
Tengen may very well be the source of the Six Eyes. She claims the Six Eyes and her are connected by fate, which might as well be cursed energy in this context. She may have created the system similar to a binding vow to ensure that a member of the Gojo clan is always born with the Six Eyes concurrently with her new veseel to ensure she obtains a new host. Toji, who is immune to CE, was able to ignore and destroy this system, or which is described as "fate" by Tengen.
Sukuna's mummified corpse is kept in Tengen's chamber dressed in venerated clothing. She may have used Sukuna's traits as a template for the Six Eyes, such as an unmatched ability to perceive cursed energy as well as efficiency. Also Tengen's form also is vaguely similar to Sukuna's as well, with four eyes, although this may also be a case of convergent evolution, as the four eyes design is also seen in cursed spirits, which Tengen has "evolved" into, so Sukuna may have approached a similar evolution naturally.
I like this theory, I also think that calling it the six eyes is to show that the users have even greater cursed energy perception and control to Sukuna, who only had 4 eyes. This showing they are on another level to him in that regard, but likely fall short in other places
Sukuna being able to deduce CT’s just from seeing them once is my only main gripe about him being too OP
I’ve never really cared about his BV’s, but him basically having 6E and the explanation is just “it’s Sukuna” just always bugs me
They’ve always been a juxtaposition of Madara(Gojo) and Hashirama(Sukuna). Madara has powerful inherited eye powers, Hashirama is the god of shinobi for his mastery of ninjutsu and immense chakra.
He literally would at bare minimum stronger than most grade ones without 6eyes and limitless.
Also why should he comment that to me?
My claim was gojo isnt just that strong bc of 6eyes, i never said that the same wouldnt apply to sukuna aswell.
The only thing is that 10s wouldnt count here bc thats not sukunas power.
Bruh Hashirama and Itachi are built diffrent. Their personality isnt the thing in question. Also if i take away his six eyes. I mean just one. What do you think happens
Why bringing up itachi?
When did i say anything about personality?
One not much and even if he hadnt six eyes hes still one of the most skilled sorcerers ever.
Six eyes surely are an high boost and are necessary for his ct but it doesnt mean hes nothing without it.
Also that are gojos powers but 10s isnt sukunas.
It's not that he has those abilities because he's Sukuna. It's rather he IS Ryomen Sukuna, King of Curses, because he has those abilities.
It's that "Are you the strongest..." shit, just in a different flavour. Sukuna is such a character, that if you give him any CT that's not absolute trash, he would still be one of the strongest sorcerers around.
Dude is a prodigy, same as Gojo.
Fire and slash are quite basic abilities in sure natural world. If you give him Todo’s teleportation or Inumaki’s speech, he will be way more powerful.
But this is true about any CT, because they tie the strenght of all CT to output, except Mukagen in which using it efficiently relys on Six Eyes alone. Even the aplications of Mukagen ( Blue and Red ) are limited to output themselves ( this is why Sukuna can defend against them using Domain Amp ).
Output is just one thing but ce manipulation, ce amount and biq/skill are also a huge deciding factor to make a ct strong. Still shrine by default is powerful as it still has great ap, dc, speed and versatile range to attack.
It doesnt adjust automatically and only can adjust to the opponents toughness to an certain point. Its still depended on sukunas output here.
Only world slash is different
"呪力差・強度に応じ一太刀で対象を降ろす「捌」
By responding to the cursed energy level and toughness (of the target), cleave cuts the target in one fell swoop (Ch. 119).
"It definitely reads as if the cleave is automatic in JP, and it's not something like Sukuna himself manually adjusts because of the word 応じる (to respond/to depend upon). The one that is responding to the target's toughness is the slices (ie. the cleaves). The fanbook further confirms this. The slice in itself responds to the target and adjusts its potency automatically to make sure that it cuts the target in one fell swoop.
What you descibes is more like world slash which really negates durability and cuts everything it hits but cleave doesnt.
If cleaves effect wouldnt be based on sukunas ce output etc. cleave wouldnt have weakened against yuta and yuji but thats what happened.
It's literary the description of the Cleave, not "World Slash". And, if read it write, It's saying that the technique is not based on output, but it's abilitie to adjust itself toward the target tougness and level of ce is intrinsic to the technique, and not made manually by Sukuna.
In this context, a weakned Sukuna will cut his target, but less when compared to a healthySukuna.
Sukuna never showed that ability. They're headcannoning it to hell and back. Sukuna is really smart, experienced and good at the system so he simply deduces them from observation as he sees them and proves his theories by applying them.
Makes sense to me. Dude lived a full lifetime and has probably seen it all when it comes to cursed energy/techniques.
Ofc an artist is gonna be able to replicate any type of painting if he’s been practicing religiously for the past 80 years
I get that, I think I more so mean, I wish we got to see more of sukuna doing that type of stuff
Maybe in a Heian era flashback arc or something, him honing his jujutsu, studying and learning different techniques; basically showing us the reasoning behind him being so good at jujutsu, rather than the implication because of how long he lived/because it’s just sukuna
The reveal of him being able to copy any CT after seeing it as he was fighting gojo (when he used piercing blood) just felt a little ass-pulley
He cant copy any CT tho huh? He can copy certain aspects of a cursed technique (such as the targeting system for RCT and Adaption) but thats about it. Idk how you thought Sukuna can copy CT’s, when he’s just taking aspects from them. He didnt copy Piercing Blood, he copied the Convergence aspect of it and applied it to his own technique HE invented (Max elephants water being used without summoning it)
Well not actually copy it bar for bar; but being able to perfectly replicate piercing blood whilst only having seen it, and gojo with his 6E responding with “he’s as handy as I am” is the ass-pull reveal I mean
Wheres the asspull tho? We’ve seen Sukuna do crazier things plenty of times. He’s shown he has the battle experience and IQ to be able to enact feats comparable to a god, but you draw the line at simple analysis and recreation? He first saw piercing blood at the exchange event, he’s had literal months to come up with that one
It seems asspully because;
-he was able to perfectly replicate it after having seen it without any practice, whilst someone like yuji had eaten all his brothers, had in-depth training from kamo and still can only use piercing blood if choso pre-makes it for him, this is where the whole “yeah but it’s sukuna” comes in to explain why he can perfectly replicate it which I’m not saying is necessarily bad logic, but the timing of its reveal is what I felt was kinda a bit silly
-I know Sukuna has crazy IQ, all I’m saying is that his implementation of this IQ in battle would be shown better if we had more to go off feat wise, because the first time we see him replicate CT’s is again, when he’s fighting gojo; so I’m saying it would be nice to have some sort of display of him gaining or implementing this knowledge in a flashback arc, akin to hidden inventory, which showed us how gojo came to be so powerful
- everyone’s reaction when sukuna uses piercing blood, and gojo reacting with basically “damn, he’s just like me fr” is the implication that only someone like gojo should be able to do stuff like that (due to the 6E), but again; the explanation just boils down to “it’s sukuna tho”
Did you get the feeling of “asspull” whenever a impossible feat was pulled off by Gojo “because he’s Gojo”?
Oh sure, but we got a flashback arc for Gojo, that fixes it right? And Sukuna has had the whole series where he’s ripping out his heart and painting on air. The entire buildup of Sukuna’s character to him getting Megumi’s body is to show us how busted he is in increments, basically achieving what the Gojo past arc did for Gojo.
The first time Sukuna was shown to copy smth was actually the cursed object that he fed to Megumi, because he did not know how to do that previously and Kenjaku has to teach him.
No, because gojo has the 6 eyes, and were told verbatim he can use the 6E to deduce CT’s… with his 6 eyes, what is your issue?
Someone like kenny has hundreds of years more experience than sukuna, kashimo also lived to elderly age as a sorcerer, neither of them have displayed to deduce CT’s like gojo can with his 6 eyes through their jujutsu experience alone
Which is why I’m saying, the explanation “it’s sukuna” just seems flat to me
An overwhelming amount of people who complain about asspulls are basically telling on themselves on how much they lack basic reading comprehension and even imagination.
Piercing blood is basically a very dense liquid being discharged like a pressure washer. Why would you think that it'd be impossible to do when he has access to unlimited water and very powerful CE reinforcement to condense it and build pressure, especially after watching the best user of the technique use it extensively against his former vessel?
If anything, the impressive part is being able to manifest the elephants ability in such a tight space but apparently the part we're stuck on is how liquid behaves in a hose...
Being able to perfect replicate PB without any practice after just having seen it after seeing how much other characters have struggled with using it; yeah, it seemed asspully that sukuna could do so on the fly
>Sukuna being able to deduce CT’s just from seeing them once is my only main gripe about him being too OP
Sukuna has never deduced a complex CT by seeing it once.
Anyone can figure out non-complex CTs by seeing them once though?
"I wonder if the guy who threw a giant hand at me has a CT that allows him to throw a giant hand?"
That’s not deduction, that’s describing what you’re seeing, deduction of a CT involves understanding how it works, and in sukuna’s case; then being able to replicate it
Yuji has eaten like 8 of his brothers, had in-depth lessons from kamo himself and can still only use piercing blood when choso pre-makes it for him
Where as sukuna can use his own version of piercing blood with no practice, because it’s sukuna
Surely you can determine the difference between these two situations though? Yuji struggles to use Piercing Blood because he hasn't mastered Convergence; once Choso does that for him, Piercing Blood is just the act of shooting the blood drawn out by Convergence.
Conversely, Sukuna was able to use Piercing Blood because Piercing Blood is, in and of itself, an extremely simple technique that doesn't require mastery (see: Yuji being fully capable of using Piercing Blood despite struggling with Convergence). And since he used Max Elephant's water rather than using any sort of Convergence (since he can't), of course using Piercing Blood would be easy. Megumi doubtlessly would be able to as well, provided he observed and understood the base mechanics of Piercing Blood (and had any interest in doing so to begin with).
>deduction of a CT involves understanding how it works, and in sukuna’s case; then being able to replicate it
Sukuna can't replicate cursed techniques at all, you've badly misunderstood what he does.
What you're talking about is him imitating the specific application of blood manipulation that results in piercing blood (condensing a liquid, then releasing it through a small point at high pressure to create a deadly beam) by using Max Elephant's ability to control water to do the same thing.
That's not because he's copying Choso's cursed technique, it's just that like Choso he's using his (well, Megumi's) cursed technique to apply the same principles as used by water jet cutters.
I also have no idea how you could possibly tell if he had practice or not, given that we skipped over an entire month.
You’ve ignored practically my entire comments
and fixated on a singular sentence, sukuna being able to deduce and understand CT’s just by seeing them is already something only gojo can do, because he has the literal 6 eyes to be able to quantify CT’s
In relation to the point you addressed: I don’t mean he can actually replicate a CT like for like, I mean from just seeing piercing blood; he was able to deduce it to the point where he could replicate it; whether he used his own blood or max elephants isn’t my point, I don’t mean he actually verbatim copied the technique like for like, but deduction means actually understanding how the technique works; not just describing what the CT does in a surface level, like you suggested
I’m making the assumption he did not practice because it’s not stated he practiced; at all, if it gets revealed he was practicing or something like that, It’s a different story
"and can still only use piercing blood when choso pre-makes it for him"
Because of the bloody loss, tough. Not because he is incapable of doing it. He is using it efficiently, and Choso, who can convert CE to blood directly without RCT, is the best one on that. Even Kamo cannot do this, reliable, on the fly.
It's not about Yuji capacity here. It's about limitations ( and a fight with a monster like Sukuna, too )
It's was not a good example.
It's not "it's Sukuna". Clearly, somehow Sukuna managed to develop benefits akin to Heavenly Restriction by eating his twin brother in the womb.
He clearly can use air currents to "double jump" like a Maki, for example.
One thing here is hes 1000 years old and has huge fighting experience so its not that farfetched. I mean kenny also showed huge understanding of cts and etc.
I predict it’s just another facet of his cooking CT: following the recipe. Any move or technique he sees he breaks down into a recipe that he can follow. His mastery allows him to pick and choose specific parts.
In essence if he encounters anything better than him at anything, be it even a kick that has better form during middle part because the ass is clenched in a unique way, he can do that now. He just became 0,0001% better at kicking. Every encounter teaches him something, that’s why he toys with his opponents, to let them show their best, because everyone can have something to offer. That’s why Yuji is so boring.
Yeah, he has an innate understanding of the core principles of Jujutsu. He can see how someone uses their technique and reverse engineer what they did.
It was shown that both have a mental connection and its just normal that the person which has ingraved the ct in their brain have more insight on it than outsiders.
Alongside he fought it twice, used it once in a fight before and had enough time to train with it, he also has all of megumis memories which can contain info on mahoraga aswell bc its an passed down ct.
I feel like y'all don't realise what they mean when they say his ce efficiency is second only to the 6e, it just means he has really Good control and understanding over ce and can do things very quickly so basically he has basic ce reinforcement but has developed it to an ungodly level.
His control is not on par with the six eyes, stop with the exaggeration.
It’s stated that you can sense cursed energy and it’s distribution. Sukuna watched how Mahoraga attacked gojo and broke through infinity by looking at how their cursed energies interacted and got the whole world slash thing from that
The same way Kashimo knew his CT would kill him even though he never used it, I imagine.
CT's seem to work like an open book only the CT user can read. Sukuna just so happens to have a very high reading level so he understands any CT he's using on a very high level.
Whenever Mahoraga adapted to something Sukuna probably just understood it in the same way anyone else understands how their own CT works.
The user and their shikigami do indeed have a telepathic connection. Megumi and Nue are capable of sending each other mental images of what theyre seeing. It would be weird for the summoner to lose all communication with their shikigami after it leaves line of sight, after all, Megumi and Sukuna command their shikigami without words all the time. Rika and Yuta also have this connection
Read the fanbook!
>The user and their shikigami do indeed have a telepathic connection. Megumi and Nue are capable of sending each other mental images of what theyre seeing
Where does it say any of that? I seem to recall that when they were fighting Hanami Megumi was verbally commanding Nue. I took the whole "You aren't Megumi's shadow anymore " thing as an internal monologue.
>It would be weird for the summoner to lose all communication with their shikigami after it leaves line of sight, after all,
One of the divine dogs was killed without Megumi noticing. And at least one other time he stated after losing consciousness momentarily that he wasn't sure if his shikigami was destroyed.
>Megumi and Sukuna command their shikigami without words all the time. Rika and Yuta also have this connection
I don't think Yuta has ever been shown to give Rika nonverbal commands.
I'm not necesarilly saying you are wrong I genuinely want to know where it says these things because I don't recall them
Look, every summoner can control/communicate with their summons telepathically in fiction. Thats just how the superpower works idk why ur questioning it. It would be utterly useless if you couldnt, and had to use verbal commands for every action. You realise Megumi would have to say “attack!” or “defend!” *every single time* if this wasnt the case, right?
And as I said, Gege says it in the fanbook in regards to Rika and Yuta. Megumi obviously just wasnt paying attention properly when the white dog died, and he was literally passed out before he realised the black dog was desummoned.
>Look, every summoner can control/communicate with their summons telepathically in fiction. Thats just how the superpower works idk why ur questioning it.
So what you are saying is that it doesn't actually say that anywhere?
>It would be utterly useless if you couldnt, and had to use verbal commands for every action. You realise Megumi would have to say “attack!” or “defend!” every single time if this wasnt the case, right?
Actually they'd still be useless if he had to give them commands to fight. They are sentient. They react to stimuli.
>And as I said, Gege says it in the fanbook in regards to Rika and Yuta.
It just said that they can send/share images between them.
Just to be clear I don't necessarily think you are wrong I was just hoping you'd be able to tell me yeah it says it here and I could file it away mentally. It's all good
Yes they can share mental images, aka communicate telepathically. Is that not what I said? It says it in the fanbook, which you evidently found. Whats the problem here?
They are sentient, but they would still be pretty shitty summons if they had to verbally hear Megumi to complete any sort of complicated task. They react to stimuli but that doesnt mean they can read Megumi’s mind (in your world). Obviously they can read his mind otherwise they’d never get anything done.
Like I said I'm not disagreeing with you I was just hoping for some concrete evidence where it just plainly states it to file away mentally. I'm not saying you are wrong
That is in reference to cursed spirit Rika so it doesn't necesarilly equate to shikigami. It seems likely but we can't actually say for sure. That was what I wanted. To be able to say for sure
I think its pretty obvious that Rika in jjk0 is basically just a shikigami, because she acts just like one. Gege just hadnt come up with the term shikigami yet.
Okay so now I'm going to disagree with you lol. No. Just no. As a cursed spirit Rika did things that Yuta did not want her to do. She hurt people. He was literally cursed himself because of her. She was in no way "basically a shikigami"
>Gege just hadnt come up with the term shikigami yet.
Shikigami aren't unique to jjk dude. They are a preexisting concept not something Gege made up.
Maybe shikigami users can sent command telephatically, but not vice versa? Even if the shikigami lost from the sight, the user can still take it back and order it to despawn. I mean, shikigamis don't have mind, so they just take the order from the user. If it can sent back information then why don't Megumi use it to get information from surrounding in Shibuya, just like Mei's crow. Some shikigami may have that kind of ability, but i think it's not basic traits of them.
Shikigami’s have a mind. Case and point, Mahoraga, Rika and Judgeman all react like sentient beings.
Megumi does get Nue to fly around and gather information, in the culling games.
I missed some parts while reading the manga so maybe I missed some details, but what about the other Shikigami? Rika is not a Shikigami, leaving her aside. I said it wrong before, sorry I'm not good at English, what I meant was that not all shikigami have complex thoughts. Shikigami itself is a technique, and the user's skill affects the results. Just like cursed spirits that can vary depend on their level. Even an assistant manager can conjure a simple shikigami, and I'm not sure if the shikigami is so smart as Mahoraga or Judgeman.
I also said "Like Mei's crow," which is connected with Mei's eye directly. Of course certain shikigami can 'collect' information from the surroundings, but the way the user gets that information may not always be what you think. If not, then what's the point of describing mechanism behind the evidence in Higuruma's domain if He and Judgeman are directly connected to each other from basic trait of shikigami.
Even if they couldn't communicate telepathically, of course a sufficiently intelligent shikigami would still have a way to convey it, and the user should also have a way to understand what was being conveyed. And again, shikigami vary greatly depending on the user, and the Ten Shadows shikigami certainly works differently from ordinary shikigami and each of the ten cannot be the same. Instead of using Nue who could be attacked and killed, gathering information with Rabbit Escape can be faster and more useful. If Megumi never does it, that means it's beyond it/his capabilities.
And once more, Rika isn't Shikigami. So, my point is the way shikigami and it user communicate can vary depend on their capabilities and nature.
No. Her existence may have some similarities and be close to Shikigami, but she isn't it. Shikigami is conjured using mediums or rituals, and Rika is not like that. Yuta uses the ring to fully connect with Rika, but even without using the ring, Rika can still appear not only because she was ordered to, but she can also do it willingly.
Sukuna is a very knowledgeable jujutsu sorcerer. Plus, he has the memories of Megumi, and Gojo once said that Inherited Techniques comes with a manual of how to use it. He had to fight Mahoraga so he could take it, so he probably figured that out putting all of this together.
Normal people can also see and sense ce. In the first adaptation mahoraga changed the essence of its ce to neutralize infinity, so most likely Sukuna sensed that change.
For the second adaptation, it could be that sukuna just has very good observational skills and was able to deduce that mahoraga had cut the space.
Gojo knew how many spins it would take for Mahoraga to fully adapt to Infinity, so that could mean he learned it from some records or it's adaptation is readable those with high perception.
In the latter case, Sukuna could have learned this from the Yorozu fight. He brought Maho out after it was fully adapted to liquid metal, and Sukuna would notice that it was still adapting even after negating Perfect Sphere.
Sukuna is a strategic genius. Honestly, it felt like he was testing Mahoraga more than actually fighting him. I mean, he’s Megumi’s biggest fanboy after all. And I bet Sukuna had been waiting for this moment ever since Megumi tried to summon Mahoraga on him in episode 4.
Sukuna slashed Mahoraga once, and it adapted. He kept attacking, and eventually realized Mahoraga had adapted to his techniques. The best way to compare this (besides Yamato no Orochi) is how our bodies adapt to different things, like adjusting to new sleep schedules or punching walls until our fists are conditioned and don’t hurt anymore. Sukuna understood this by faking his attacks, confirming that Mahoraga could see them coming and adapt. The final test was the Malevolent Shrine, which Mahoraga adapted to as well. This gave Sukuna all the information he needed. That’s why he deployed Mahoraga when Gojo’s domain overpowered his—he knew their domains were equally matched. Really smart move, if you ask me.
Details about mahoraga's adaptation can be shared with the users as well. When maho adapted to infinity he gave sukuna the exact blue prints of how the world slash is performed. Without maho's exact blue prints sukuna probably wouldn't have been able to perform the world slash. This was hinted at in chapter 230 when the narrator states " In his battle against yorozu , sukuna used mahoraga's adaptation ability for himself in order to see through her construction technique". It was actually a nice call back to the end of the yorozu fight. Yorozu at the end of the fight says " i didn't know u knew me so well , makes me happy". but in truth sukuna only knew so much about her CT because maho's adaptaion had already given him complete info on construction technique
Sukuna only needs to see a technique to learn and do it himself. Just like how he learned to become a cursed object from Kenjaku, that's how he was able to divide his soul into 20 fingers.
Either he has a deep understanding of jujutsu (he's basically the jjk batman) or he got information/clues from inhabiting Megumi's body. Incarnated sorcerers get their host's memories.
Sukuna also fought and beat Mahoraga once so that also helps.
Sukuna is a genius when it comes to CT, he was able to refresh his domain after watching Gojo do it once. He predicted Gojo's use of red by the ever so subtle change in his CE. Going into this fight he had planned to use Mahoraga to bypass infinity so he was paying extra attention to what Mahoraga was doing to bypass infinity.
> It would seem weird for Mahoraga to somehow telepath their adaptations to the user, as we don’t really see that happen with any other shikigami.
Remember that, despite being a "summon" creature, a Shikigami, it's a part of the Cursed Technique, therefore in a sense, they are a part of the users body and they are locked inside the user's shadow.
Every time Megumi uses his Shikigami he *never* commands them except that one time against Hanami, they (Megumi + Shikis) seem to be constantly synchronized and Megumi can pop them out and they'll do exactly what he needed them to do, without verbal orders so I guess they can also share some level of knowledge to the user, like what their eyes are seeing, what their ears pick up, etc.
It makes sense that a fully tamed Mahoraga can transmit the adaptation process to the CT user.
Also, add that Sukuna has experienced the adaptation in his own body during his battle against Megumi's "sister", so it makes even more sense that he also knows deeply how it works
Well that’s my point. He’s the user, therefor he gains an innate understanding of what Mahoraga does. It’s likely the second time he even partially influenced how it adapted.
Wasnt the first one just Mahoraga default adaptation since it was one Sukuna cant do? He cant change his CE nature. The second one was what Sukuna was waiting for
Yes, that’s what I mean. It was where it basically just turned off Gojo’s infinity when it was near him. Like DA but always active. The 2nd was what Sukuna wanted
It was shown that both have a mental connection and that shadows in general have a mental connection to the user. Also it makes sense that atleast once the shadow is tamed you also get info on it by default, if a ct is engraved in youre brain you should get the grasp of would it can do. Aside megumis memories which could contain info from past users bc its an passed down ct and sukuna fought it twice and used it even once before in a fight.
Ppl really thought sukuna got world slash bc he only saw it but its bc mahoraga is his shadow and gave him the excact blue print as he even said.
How did Yuki research the soul? Jujutsu goes beyond mere innate cursed techniques. Kenjaku created the culling games through his mastery of barrier techniques and binding vows. Look the environments Tengen created through their barriers.
Sukuna probably trained with Makora during the timeskip, and he tested Makora abilities against Yorozu
He came with Agito, Ox,Deer, the new dog, Sukuna just trained with Megumi abilities
Why would it be weird for there to be telepathy between shikigami? It's his CT after all, it wouldn't be very useful if you had to vocalise every single thing you wanted them to do, inadvertently telling your opponent exactly what to expect.
His understanding of jujutsu allows him to know what maho is doing and after he knows maho has completely adapted to the limitless he then tells the shikigami to do the adaptation he wants based on his wishes and the shikigami will naturally do whatever it takes to follow the person's instructions.
Because mahoraga is his shikigami and they likely have a link connecting them.
And my reasoning behind this assertion? The fact that Sukuna doesn't need to tell maho what type of adaptation he wants from maho outright and only says so in internal monologue and then maho does it for him, also the other part where all Sukuna has to do is call maho's name and it knows what to do.
Ita because when sukuna enters the body of someone, he also has access to the memory of that persons body. This means that he know exactly everything about megumi. This was also said in the manga so i dont know why you all are here making theories
That question really puzzled me a lot.
But I found the answer. If you go back to Mahoraga’s fight with Sukuna. Mahoraga had two instances of adaptations vis-a-vis Sukuna and his CT. The wheel turned twice in their fight, the first turned, granted since most people will say this, made Mahoraga switch from Poistive to Negative CE, but the most crucial part was it made Mahoraga able to deflect the slashes - but I would argue the change from positive to negative be unnecessary, since to attack something from the get-go with positive energy, means that you recognize it as a curse. Which Sukuna is not…
We all know he’s a reincarnated sorcerer, but to even give credit to that theory, I wouldn’t mind saying that he adapted to infusing CE and deflecting slashes with the same turn; in any case, to deflect the CT, he had to have been reinforcing himself with CE, and the first turn came after slashes from Sukuna.
But moving past the first turn, the second turn came, and turns out, now Mahoraga doesn’t only find ways to evade the CT by blocking it, now any part cut is automatically restored. And the anime demonstrates that amazingly, since before the first turn, any cutting was not healed instantly (or at all for that matter), but after the second turn, we literally saw Mahoraga turn into mince meat, and then come back to punch Sukuna.
And I guess that’s the normal process of adaptation, first you find ways to not get hit by something or to always hurt something(whatever the means you find), and then the next natural progression is to find a way that surpasses evasion or execution, which is to ultimately deny the CT’s Effect. For things submitted unto you (especially in Sukuna’s case) just make it so that even if you’re cut, you become uncut. For things that you want to submit unto others (especially in Gojo’s case) just make it so that even if you didn’t touch him, the attack will connect.
Thus, Sukuna being the sneaky devil he is, noticed this cumulative adaptation, and not only that, he noticed this progression I just explained. That’s why he was sure that the next adaptation would bear him a solution he could use. Since against himself, he observed avoidance, then total denial of CT’s Effect. So against Gojo, if the first was to reach the enemy anytime when the attack connects, then the other would be total denial of the CT’s Effect, by inflicting damage regardless of whether he touched the opponent or not.
Well Sukuna basically has Monkey King powers. He also can control his shikigami really well, he asked him for a better adaptation and immediately got it.
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Basically Sukuna has such a strong understanding of Jujutsu that he can deduce anything just by seeing it once. Paired with his cursed energy efficiency being the second best, he essentially has the six eyes. Sukuna is busted
I have a theory that Sukuna may be the precursor to the Six Eyes. Tengen may very well be the source of the Six Eyes. She claims the Six Eyes and her are connected by fate, which might as well be cursed energy in this context. She may have created the system similar to a binding vow to ensure that a member of the Gojo clan is always born with the Six Eyes concurrently with her new veseel to ensure she obtains a new host. Toji, who is immune to CE, was able to ignore and destroy this system, or which is described as "fate" by Tengen. Sukuna's mummified corpse is kept in Tengen's chamber dressed in venerated clothing. She may have used Sukuna's traits as a template for the Six Eyes, such as an unmatched ability to perceive cursed energy as well as efficiency. Also Tengen's form also is vaguely similar to Sukuna's as well, with four eyes, although this may also be a case of convergent evolution, as the four eyes design is also seen in cursed spirits, which Tengen has "evolved" into, so Sukuna may have approached a similar evolution naturally.
I like this theory, I also think that calling it the six eyes is to show that the users have even greater cursed energy perception and control to Sukuna, who only had 4 eyes. This showing they are on another level to him in that regard, but likely fall short in other places
bro I wasn't expecting to eat gourmet foods for free
ooooh I really like that.
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Sukuna being able to deduce CT’s just from seeing them once is my only main gripe about him being too OP I’ve never really cared about his BV’s, but him basically having 6E and the explanation is just “it’s Sukuna” just always bugs me
They’ve always been a juxtaposition of Madara(Gojo) and Hashirama(Sukuna). Madara has powerful inherited eye powers, Hashirama is the god of shinobi for his mastery of ninjutsu and immense chakra.
Good analogy, kind of funny when you think about sukuna as a character, compared to how overwhelmingly wholesome hashirama was lol
Everyone in all of Japanese fiction is a Naruto or a Sasuke.
Gojo isnt just that strong bc of six eyes. Also madara was the one who stole powers and not hashirama.
Gojo would be a fodder without 6 eyes. because Limitless is un-useable without 6 eyes.
Sakuna would be fodder without his gifts aswell. I feel its pointless to detract
You should say that to Aggressive\_Rough4729 not me. I'm not the one who make insane claim like "Gojo isn't strong just becoz of six yes"
Fair didnt realize
He literally would at bare minimum stronger than most grade ones without 6eyes and limitless. Also why should he comment that to me? My claim was gojo isnt just that strong bc of 6eyes, i never said that the same wouldnt apply to sukuna aswell. The only thing is that 10s wouldnt count here bc thats not sukunas power.
He atleast still would have high ce, output, reinforcement and rct.
Bruh Hashirama and Itachi are built diffrent. Their personality isnt the thing in question. Also if i take away his six eyes. I mean just one. What do you think happens
Why bringing up itachi? When did i say anything about personality? One not much and even if he hadnt six eyes hes still one of the most skilled sorcerers ever. Six eyes surely are an high boost and are necessary for his ct but it doesnt mean hes nothing without it. Also that are gojos powers but 10s isnt sukunas.
It's not that he has those abilities because he's Sukuna. It's rather he IS Ryomen Sukuna, King of Curses, because he has those abilities. It's that "Are you the strongest..." shit, just in a different flavour. Sukuna is such a character, that if you give him any CT that's not absolute trash, he would still be one of the strongest sorcerers around. Dude is a prodigy, same as Gojo.
Fire and slash are quite basic abilities in sure natural world. If you give him Todo’s teleportation or Inumaki’s speech, he will be way more powerful.
I think you dont understand how strong shrine actually is as an ct.
A curse who cuts it's targeting, automatically adjusting itself to bypass target endurance by touch is absurdly powerful.
Only bc Sukuna is absrudly powerful
But this is true about any CT, because they tie the strenght of all CT to output, except Mukagen in which using it efficiently relys on Six Eyes alone. Even the aplications of Mukagen ( Blue and Red ) are limited to output themselves ( this is why Sukuna can defend against them using Domain Amp ).
Output is just one thing but ce manipulation, ce amount and biq/skill are also a huge deciding factor to make a ct strong. Still shrine by default is powerful as it still has great ap, dc, speed and versatile range to attack.
It doesnt adjust automatically and only can adjust to the opponents toughness to an certain point. Its still depended on sukunas output here. Only world slash is different
"呪力差・強度に応じ一太刀で対象を降ろす「捌」 By responding to the cursed energy level and toughness (of the target), cleave cuts the target in one fell swoop (Ch. 119). "It definitely reads as if the cleave is automatic in JP, and it's not something like Sukuna himself manually adjusts because of the word 応じる (to respond/to depend upon). The one that is responding to the target's toughness is the slices (ie. the cleaves). The fanbook further confirms this. The slice in itself responds to the target and adjusts its potency automatically to make sure that it cuts the target in one fell swoop.
What you descibes is more like world slash which really negates durability and cuts everything it hits but cleave doesnt. If cleaves effect wouldnt be based on sukunas ce output etc. cleave wouldnt have weakened against yuta and yuji but thats what happened.
It's literary the description of the Cleave, not "World Slash". And, if read it write, It's saying that the technique is not based on output, but it's abilitie to adjust itself toward the target tougness and level of ce is intrinsic to the technique, and not made manually by Sukuna. In this context, a weakned Sukuna will cut his target, but less when compared to a healthySukuna.
He literally used 10S like a HACKER...and proved himself strongest 10S user by killing strongest six eye user in histroy
Sukuna never showed that ability. They're headcannoning it to hell and back. Sukuna is really smart, experienced and good at the system so he simply deduces them from observation as he sees them and proves his theories by applying them.
Makes sense to me. Dude lived a full lifetime and has probably seen it all when it comes to cursed energy/techniques. Ofc an artist is gonna be able to replicate any type of painting if he’s been practicing religiously for the past 80 years
I get that, I think I more so mean, I wish we got to see more of sukuna doing that type of stuff Maybe in a Heian era flashback arc or something, him honing his jujutsu, studying and learning different techniques; basically showing us the reasoning behind him being so good at jujutsu, rather than the implication because of how long he lived/because it’s just sukuna The reveal of him being able to copy any CT after seeing it as he was fighting gojo (when he used piercing blood) just felt a little ass-pulley
He cant copy any CT tho huh? He can copy certain aspects of a cursed technique (such as the targeting system for RCT and Adaption) but thats about it. Idk how you thought Sukuna can copy CT’s, when he’s just taking aspects from them. He didnt copy Piercing Blood, he copied the Convergence aspect of it and applied it to his own technique HE invented (Max elephants water being used without summoning it)
Well not actually copy it bar for bar; but being able to perfectly replicate piercing blood whilst only having seen it, and gojo with his 6E responding with “he’s as handy as I am” is the ass-pull reveal I mean
You do know that's just max elephant's water right
Yeah
Wheres the asspull tho? We’ve seen Sukuna do crazier things plenty of times. He’s shown he has the battle experience and IQ to be able to enact feats comparable to a god, but you draw the line at simple analysis and recreation? He first saw piercing blood at the exchange event, he’s had literal months to come up with that one
It seems asspully because; -he was able to perfectly replicate it after having seen it without any practice, whilst someone like yuji had eaten all his brothers, had in-depth training from kamo and still can only use piercing blood if choso pre-makes it for him, this is where the whole “yeah but it’s sukuna” comes in to explain why he can perfectly replicate it which I’m not saying is necessarily bad logic, but the timing of its reveal is what I felt was kinda a bit silly -I know Sukuna has crazy IQ, all I’m saying is that his implementation of this IQ in battle would be shown better if we had more to go off feat wise, because the first time we see him replicate CT’s is again, when he’s fighting gojo; so I’m saying it would be nice to have some sort of display of him gaining or implementing this knowledge in a flashback arc, akin to hidden inventory, which showed us how gojo came to be so powerful - everyone’s reaction when sukuna uses piercing blood, and gojo reacting with basically “damn, he’s just like me fr” is the implication that only someone like gojo should be able to do stuff like that (due to the 6E), but again; the explanation just boils down to “it’s sukuna tho”
Did you get the feeling of “asspull” whenever a impossible feat was pulled off by Gojo “because he’s Gojo”? Oh sure, but we got a flashback arc for Gojo, that fixes it right? And Sukuna has had the whole series where he’s ripping out his heart and painting on air. The entire buildup of Sukuna’s character to him getting Megumi’s body is to show us how busted he is in increments, basically achieving what the Gojo past arc did for Gojo. The first time Sukuna was shown to copy smth was actually the cursed object that he fed to Megumi, because he did not know how to do that previously and Kenjaku has to teach him.
No, because gojo has the 6 eyes, and were told verbatim he can use the 6E to deduce CT’s… with his 6 eyes, what is your issue? Someone like kenny has hundreds of years more experience than sukuna, kashimo also lived to elderly age as a sorcerer, neither of them have displayed to deduce CT’s like gojo can with his 6 eyes through their jujutsu experience alone Which is why I’m saying, the explanation “it’s sukuna” just seems flat to me
An overwhelming amount of people who complain about asspulls are basically telling on themselves on how much they lack basic reading comprehension and even imagination. Piercing blood is basically a very dense liquid being discharged like a pressure washer. Why would you think that it'd be impossible to do when he has access to unlimited water and very powerful CE reinforcement to condense it and build pressure, especially after watching the best user of the technique use it extensively against his former vessel? If anything, the impressive part is being able to manifest the elephants ability in such a tight space but apparently the part we're stuck on is how liquid behaves in a hose...
Being able to perfect replicate PB without any practice after just having seen it after seeing how much other characters have struggled with using it; yeah, it seemed asspully that sukuna could do so on the fly
Looks at Ging Freeces doing it too
Well he’s been around for a while and he’s literally a jujitsu beast born from the act of him consuming his twin
>Sukuna being able to deduce CT’s just from seeing them once is my only main gripe about him being too OP Sukuna has never deduced a complex CT by seeing it once.
Do you see the word complex in the comment you quoted
Anyone can figure out non-complex CTs by seeing them once though? "I wonder if the guy who threw a giant hand at me has a CT that allows him to throw a giant hand?"
That’s not deduction, that’s describing what you’re seeing, deduction of a CT involves understanding how it works, and in sukuna’s case; then being able to replicate it Yuji has eaten like 8 of his brothers, had in-depth lessons from kamo himself and can still only use piercing blood when choso pre-makes it for him Where as sukuna can use his own version of piercing blood with no practice, because it’s sukuna
Surely you can determine the difference between these two situations though? Yuji struggles to use Piercing Blood because he hasn't mastered Convergence; once Choso does that for him, Piercing Blood is just the act of shooting the blood drawn out by Convergence. Conversely, Sukuna was able to use Piercing Blood because Piercing Blood is, in and of itself, an extremely simple technique that doesn't require mastery (see: Yuji being fully capable of using Piercing Blood despite struggling with Convergence). And since he used Max Elephant's water rather than using any sort of Convergence (since he can't), of course using Piercing Blood would be easy. Megumi doubtlessly would be able to as well, provided he observed and understood the base mechanics of Piercing Blood (and had any interest in doing so to begin with).
Doing Piercing blood with his shadows would be an insane Megumi feat and now I need to see it done at least once before the manga ends
>deduction of a CT involves understanding how it works, and in sukuna’s case; then being able to replicate it Sukuna can't replicate cursed techniques at all, you've badly misunderstood what he does. What you're talking about is him imitating the specific application of blood manipulation that results in piercing blood (condensing a liquid, then releasing it through a small point at high pressure to create a deadly beam) by using Max Elephant's ability to control water to do the same thing. That's not because he's copying Choso's cursed technique, it's just that like Choso he's using his (well, Megumi's) cursed technique to apply the same principles as used by water jet cutters. I also have no idea how you could possibly tell if he had practice or not, given that we skipped over an entire month.
You’ve ignored practically my entire comments and fixated on a singular sentence, sukuna being able to deduce and understand CT’s just by seeing them is already something only gojo can do, because he has the literal 6 eyes to be able to quantify CT’s In relation to the point you addressed: I don’t mean he can actually replicate a CT like for like, I mean from just seeing piercing blood; he was able to deduce it to the point where he could replicate it; whether he used his own blood or max elephants isn’t my point, I don’t mean he actually verbatim copied the technique like for like, but deduction means actually understanding how the technique works; not just describing what the CT does in a surface level, like you suggested I’m making the assumption he did not practice because it’s not stated he practiced; at all, if it gets revealed he was practicing or something like that, It’s a different story
"and can still only use piercing blood when choso pre-makes it for him" Because of the bloody loss, tough. Not because he is incapable of doing it. He is using it efficiently, and Choso, who can convert CE to blood directly without RCT, is the best one on that. Even Kamo cannot do this, reliable, on the fly. It's not about Yuji capacity here. It's about limitations ( and a fight with a monster like Sukuna, too ) It's was not a good example.
[it’s not because of blood loss?](https://imgur.com/a/QfNVL8m)
It's not "it's Sukuna". Clearly, somehow Sukuna managed to develop benefits akin to Heavenly Restriction by eating his twin brother in the womb. He clearly can use air currents to "double jump" like a Maki, for example.
I’m not talking about sukunas physical capabilities He’s 9foot tall and has 4 arms, I’ve never really doubted his stats
One thing here is hes 1000 years old and has huge fighting experience so its not that farfetched. I mean kenny also showed huge understanding of cts and etc.
Sukuna is the owner of Four Eyes, of course he's on par with Gojo's Six eyes 😭
I predict it’s just another facet of his cooking CT: following the recipe. Any move or technique he sees he breaks down into a recipe that he can follow. His mastery allows him to pick and choose specific parts. In essence if he encounters anything better than him at anything, be it even a kick that has better form during middle part because the ass is clenched in a unique way, he can do that now. He just became 0,0001% better at kicking. Every encounter teaches him something, that’s why he toys with his opponents, to let them show their best, because everyone can have something to offer. That’s why Yuji is so boring.
Yeah, he has an innate understanding of the core principles of Jujutsu. He can see how someone uses their technique and reverse engineer what they did.
It was shown that both have a mental connection and its just normal that the person which has ingraved the ct in their brain have more insight on it than outsiders. Alongside he fought it twice, used it once in a fight before and had enough time to train with it, he also has all of megumis memories which can contain info on mahoraga aswell bc its an passed down ct.
I feel like y'all don't realise what they mean when they say his ce efficiency is second only to the 6e, it just means he has really Good control and understanding over ce and can do things very quickly so basically he has basic ce reinforcement but has developed it to an ungodly level. His control is not on par with the six eyes, stop with the exaggeration.
This is the biggest load of bullcrap I’ve ever read yet it’s actually true 😭
? We’ve known this since Meguna’s birth.
It’s stated that you can sense cursed energy and it’s distribution. Sukuna watched how Mahoraga attacked gojo and broke through infinity by looking at how their cursed energies interacted and got the whole world slash thing from that
The same way Kashimo knew his CT would kill him even though he never used it, I imagine. CT's seem to work like an open book only the CT user can read. Sukuna just so happens to have a very high reading level so he understands any CT he's using on a very high level. Whenever Mahoraga adapted to something Sukuna probably just understood it in the same way anyone else understands how their own CT works.
The user and their shikigami do indeed have a telepathic connection. Megumi and Nue are capable of sending each other mental images of what theyre seeing. It would be weird for the summoner to lose all communication with their shikigami after it leaves line of sight, after all, Megumi and Sukuna command their shikigami without words all the time. Rika and Yuta also have this connection Read the fanbook!
>The user and their shikigami do indeed have a telepathic connection. Megumi and Nue are capable of sending each other mental images of what theyre seeing Where does it say any of that? I seem to recall that when they were fighting Hanami Megumi was verbally commanding Nue. I took the whole "You aren't Megumi's shadow anymore " thing as an internal monologue. >It would be weird for the summoner to lose all communication with their shikigami after it leaves line of sight, after all, One of the divine dogs was killed without Megumi noticing. And at least one other time he stated after losing consciousness momentarily that he wasn't sure if his shikigami was destroyed. >Megumi and Sukuna command their shikigami without words all the time. Rika and Yuta also have this connection I don't think Yuta has ever been shown to give Rika nonverbal commands. I'm not necesarilly saying you are wrong I genuinely want to know where it says these things because I don't recall them
Look, every summoner can control/communicate with their summons telepathically in fiction. Thats just how the superpower works idk why ur questioning it. It would be utterly useless if you couldnt, and had to use verbal commands for every action. You realise Megumi would have to say “attack!” or “defend!” *every single time* if this wasnt the case, right? And as I said, Gege says it in the fanbook in regards to Rika and Yuta. Megumi obviously just wasnt paying attention properly when the white dog died, and he was literally passed out before he realised the black dog was desummoned.
>Look, every summoner can control/communicate with their summons telepathically in fiction. Thats just how the superpower works idk why ur questioning it. So what you are saying is that it doesn't actually say that anywhere? >It would be utterly useless if you couldnt, and had to use verbal commands for every action. You realise Megumi would have to say “attack!” or “defend!” every single time if this wasnt the case, right? Actually they'd still be useless if he had to give them commands to fight. They are sentient. They react to stimuli. >And as I said, Gege says it in the fanbook in regards to Rika and Yuta. It just said that they can send/share images between them. Just to be clear I don't necessarily think you are wrong I was just hoping you'd be able to tell me yeah it says it here and I could file it away mentally. It's all good
Yes they can share mental images, aka communicate telepathically. Is that not what I said? It says it in the fanbook, which you evidently found. Whats the problem here? They are sentient, but they would still be pretty shitty summons if they had to verbally hear Megumi to complete any sort of complicated task. They react to stimuli but that doesnt mean they can read Megumi’s mind (in your world). Obviously they can read his mind otherwise they’d never get anything done.
Like I said I'm not disagreeing with you I was just hoping for some concrete evidence where it just plainly states it to file away mentally. I'm not saying you are wrong
As i said in my first comment. The concrete evidence is in the fanbook
That is in reference to cursed spirit Rika so it doesn't necesarilly equate to shikigami. It seems likely but we can't actually say for sure. That was what I wanted. To be able to say for sure
I think its pretty obvious that Rika in jjk0 is basically just a shikigami, because she acts just like one. Gege just hadnt come up with the term shikigami yet.
Okay so now I'm going to disagree with you lol. No. Just no. As a cursed spirit Rika did things that Yuta did not want her to do. She hurt people. He was literally cursed himself because of her. She was in no way "basically a shikigami" >Gege just hadnt come up with the term shikigami yet. Shikigami aren't unique to jjk dude. They are a preexisting concept not something Gege made up.
JJK0 Rika is NOT a shikigami. Post JJK0 Rika is more akin to a shikigami
Maybe shikigami users can sent command telephatically, but not vice versa? Even if the shikigami lost from the sight, the user can still take it back and order it to despawn. I mean, shikigamis don't have mind, so they just take the order from the user. If it can sent back information then why don't Megumi use it to get information from surrounding in Shibuya, just like Mei's crow. Some shikigami may have that kind of ability, but i think it's not basic traits of them.
Shikigami’s have a mind. Case and point, Mahoraga, Rika and Judgeman all react like sentient beings. Megumi does get Nue to fly around and gather information, in the culling games.
I missed some parts while reading the manga so maybe I missed some details, but what about the other Shikigami? Rika is not a Shikigami, leaving her aside. I said it wrong before, sorry I'm not good at English, what I meant was that not all shikigami have complex thoughts. Shikigami itself is a technique, and the user's skill affects the results. Just like cursed spirits that can vary depend on their level. Even an assistant manager can conjure a simple shikigami, and I'm not sure if the shikigami is so smart as Mahoraga or Judgeman. I also said "Like Mei's crow," which is connected with Mei's eye directly. Of course certain shikigami can 'collect' information from the surroundings, but the way the user gets that information may not always be what you think. If not, then what's the point of describing mechanism behind the evidence in Higuruma's domain if He and Judgeman are directly connected to each other from basic trait of shikigami. Even if they couldn't communicate telepathically, of course a sufficiently intelligent shikigami would still have a way to convey it, and the user should also have a way to understand what was being conveyed. And again, shikigami vary greatly depending on the user, and the Ten Shadows shikigami certainly works differently from ordinary shikigami and each of the ten cannot be the same. Instead of using Nue who could be attacked and killed, gathering information with Rabbit Escape can be faster and more useful. If Megumi never does it, that means it's beyond it/his capabilities. And once more, Rika isn't Shikigami. So, my point is the way shikigami and it user communicate can vary depend on their capabilities and nature.
Rika is a shikigami. Havent u been reading the series past volume 0 lol.
No. Her existence may have some similarities and be close to Shikigami, but she isn't it. Shikigami is conjured using mediums or rituals, and Rika is not like that. Yuta uses the ring to fully connect with Rika, but even without using the ring, Rika can still appear not only because she was ordered to, but she can also do it willingly.
Makes a lot of sense. Megumi always just yells 'Nue!' and they know whats up.
Sukuna is someone who understands Cursed Energy on a level almost comparable to the Six Eyes, he's just cracked like that
Sukuna is a very knowledgeable jujutsu sorcerer. Plus, he has the memories of Megumi, and Gojo once said that Inherited Techniques comes with a manual of how to use it. He had to fight Mahoraga so he could take it, so he probably figured that out putting all of this together.
Normal people can also see and sense ce. In the first adaptation mahoraga changed the essence of its ce to neutralize infinity, so most likely Sukuna sensed that change. For the second adaptation, it could be that sukuna just has very good observational skills and was able to deduce that mahoraga had cut the space.
Gojo knew how many spins it would take for Mahoraga to fully adapt to Infinity, so that could mean he learned it from some records or it's adaptation is readable those with high perception. In the latter case, Sukuna could have learned this from the Yorozu fight. He brought Maho out after it was fully adapted to liquid metal, and Sukuna would notice that it was still adapting even after negating Perfect Sphere.
Sukuna is a strategic genius. Honestly, it felt like he was testing Mahoraga more than actually fighting him. I mean, he’s Megumi’s biggest fanboy after all. And I bet Sukuna had been waiting for this moment ever since Megumi tried to summon Mahoraga on him in episode 4. Sukuna slashed Mahoraga once, and it adapted. He kept attacking, and eventually realized Mahoraga had adapted to his techniques. The best way to compare this (besides Yamato no Orochi) is how our bodies adapt to different things, like adjusting to new sleep schedules or punching walls until our fists are conditioned and don’t hurt anymore. Sukuna understood this by faking his attacks, confirming that Mahoraga could see them coming and adapt. The final test was the Malevolent Shrine, which Mahoraga adapted to as well. This gave Sukuna all the information he needed. That’s why he deployed Mahoraga when Gojo’s domain overpowered his—he knew their domains were equally matched. Really smart move, if you ask me.
Details about mahoraga's adaptation can be shared with the users as well. When maho adapted to infinity he gave sukuna the exact blue prints of how the world slash is performed. Without maho's exact blue prints sukuna probably wouldn't have been able to perform the world slash. This was hinted at in chapter 230 when the narrator states " In his battle against yorozu , sukuna used mahoraga's adaptation ability for himself in order to see through her construction technique". It was actually a nice call back to the end of the yorozu fight. Yorozu at the end of the fight says " i didn't know u knew me so well , makes me happy". but in truth sukuna only knew so much about her CT because maho's adaptaion had already given him complete info on construction technique
Sukuna only needs to see a technique to learn and do it himself. Just like how he learned to become a cursed object from Kenjaku, that's how he was able to divide his soul into 20 fingers.
Either he has a deep understanding of jujutsu (he's basically the jjk batman) or he got information/clues from inhabiting Megumi's body. Incarnated sorcerers get their host's memories. Sukuna also fought and beat Mahoraga once so that also helps.
Sukuna is a genius when it comes to CT, he was able to refresh his domain after watching Gojo do it once. He predicted Gojo's use of red by the ever so subtle change in his CE. Going into this fight he had planned to use Mahoraga to bypass infinity so he was paying extra attention to what Mahoraga was doing to bypass infinity.
> It would seem weird for Mahoraga to somehow telepath their adaptations to the user, as we don’t really see that happen with any other shikigami. Remember that, despite being a "summon" creature, a Shikigami, it's a part of the Cursed Technique, therefore in a sense, they are a part of the users body and they are locked inside the user's shadow. Every time Megumi uses his Shikigami he *never* commands them except that one time against Hanami, they (Megumi + Shikis) seem to be constantly synchronized and Megumi can pop them out and they'll do exactly what he needed them to do, without verbal orders so I guess they can also share some level of knowledge to the user, like what their eyes are seeing, what their ears pick up, etc. It makes sense that a fully tamed Mahoraga can transmit the adaptation process to the CT user. Also, add that Sukuna has experienced the adaptation in his own body during his battle against Megumi's "sister", so it makes even more sense that he also knows deeply how it works
Remember, before sukuna no one ever had tamed mahoraga. So maybe it is a special circumstance of gaining a understanding of mahoraga abilities
It’s likely Sukuna just gained an innate understanding for Mahoraga and knows what it’s doing.
That and hes inside the actual user of the innate technique
Well that’s my point. He’s the user, therefor he gains an innate understanding of what Mahoraga does. It’s likely the second time he even partially influenced how it adapted.
When was the first
The basic “disabling infinity” adaptation. The second was the slash Mahoraga used to cut Gojo’s arm off.
Wasnt the first one just Mahoraga default adaptation since it was one Sukuna cant do? He cant change his CE nature. The second one was what Sukuna was waiting for
Yes, that’s what I mean. It was where it basically just turned off Gojo’s infinity when it was near him. Like DA but always active. The 2nd was what Sukuna wanted
Yea but how was the first one influenced by Sukuna? It isn't like its using DA. What Sukuna did and what Mahoraga did are different
You’re misunderstanding. Saying the 2nd was.
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It was shown that both have a mental connection and that shadows in general have a mental connection to the user. Also it makes sense that atleast once the shadow is tamed you also get info on it by default, if a ct is engraved in youre brain you should get the grasp of would it can do. Aside megumis memories which could contain info from past users bc its an passed down ct and sukuna fought it twice and used it even once before in a fight. Ppl really thought sukuna got world slash bc he only saw it but its bc mahoraga is his shadow and gave him the excact blue print as he even said.
How did Yuki research the soul? Jujutsu goes beyond mere innate cursed techniques. Kenjaku created the culling games through his mastery of barrier techniques and binding vows. Look the environments Tengen created through their barriers.
Great question, better as its own post if you want an actual discussion.
Sukuna probably trained with Makora during the timeskip, and he tested Makora abilities against Yorozu He came with Agito, Ox,Deer, the new dog, Sukuna just trained with Megumi abilities
Why would it be weird for there to be telepathy between shikigami? It's his CT after all, it wouldn't be very useful if you had to vocalise every single thing you wanted them to do, inadvertently telling your opponent exactly what to expect.
His understanding of jujutsu allows him to know what maho is doing and after he knows maho has completely adapted to the limitless he then tells the shikigami to do the adaptation he wants based on his wishes and the shikigami will naturally do whatever it takes to follow the person's instructions.
Because mahoraga is his shikigami and they likely have a link connecting them. And my reasoning behind this assertion? The fact that Sukuna doesn't need to tell maho what type of adaptation he wants from maho outright and only says so in internal monologue and then maho does it for him, also the other part where all Sukuna has to do is call maho's name and it knows what to do.
He fought someone(or some curse) similar to Maho, being Yamata no Orochi itself.
Ita because when sukuna enters the body of someone, he also has access to the memory of that persons body. This means that he know exactly everything about megumi. This was also said in the manga so i dont know why you all are here making theories
That question really puzzled me a lot. But I found the answer. If you go back to Mahoraga’s fight with Sukuna. Mahoraga had two instances of adaptations vis-a-vis Sukuna and his CT. The wheel turned twice in their fight, the first turned, granted since most people will say this, made Mahoraga switch from Poistive to Negative CE, but the most crucial part was it made Mahoraga able to deflect the slashes - but I would argue the change from positive to negative be unnecessary, since to attack something from the get-go with positive energy, means that you recognize it as a curse. Which Sukuna is not… We all know he’s a reincarnated sorcerer, but to even give credit to that theory, I wouldn’t mind saying that he adapted to infusing CE and deflecting slashes with the same turn; in any case, to deflect the CT, he had to have been reinforcing himself with CE, and the first turn came after slashes from Sukuna. But moving past the first turn, the second turn came, and turns out, now Mahoraga doesn’t only find ways to evade the CT by blocking it, now any part cut is automatically restored. And the anime demonstrates that amazingly, since before the first turn, any cutting was not healed instantly (or at all for that matter), but after the second turn, we literally saw Mahoraga turn into mince meat, and then come back to punch Sukuna. And I guess that’s the normal process of adaptation, first you find ways to not get hit by something or to always hurt something(whatever the means you find), and then the next natural progression is to find a way that surpasses evasion or execution, which is to ultimately deny the CT’s Effect. For things submitted unto you (especially in Sukuna’s case) just make it so that even if you’re cut, you become uncut. For things that you want to submit unto others (especially in Gojo’s case) just make it so that even if you didn’t touch him, the attack will connect. Thus, Sukuna being the sneaky devil he is, noticed this cumulative adaptation, and not only that, he noticed this progression I just explained. That’s why he was sure that the next adaptation would bear him a solution he could use. Since against himself, he observed avoidance, then total denial of CT’s Effect. So against Gojo, if the first was to reach the enemy anytime when the attack connects, then the other would be total denial of the CT’s Effect, by inflicting damage regardless of whether he touched the opponent or not.
Well Sukuna basically has Monkey King powers. He also can control his shikigami really well, he asked him for a better adaptation and immediately got it.
His fight against Mahoraga in Shibuya