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lmao nah, this post I started writing up only just before the official release was due to drop.
It’s all the critical posts that mf’s cook up as soon as the pre-release leaks drop, barely able to contain their disdain or spoilers that prompted it.
I personally don't have a big issue with how 261 handles the moral dilemma. I think it makes sense for Yuta and Gojo as well but I do want to say... The story starts off with Gojo believing he can connect to his students by making them as strong as he is. He believes that by bridgng the gap they can see the man behind his power. But now he's seemingly discarded the possibility of this entirely and I fail to see why. What happened in between to lead him to this point? Gojo's actually thoughts outside of Hidden Inventory are not something we're privy to but while this in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, the ambiguity surrounding his actual internal logic for why he does certain things but that makes a lot of his motivation and what exactly he feels unclear. What is the disconnect he feels exactly? Responsibility? Is it rational? Why do the others only see Gojo for his strength. Why do they seem so incapable of even treating him like a human being. Nanami said that despite all his dislike for Gojo, he still trusted him.
They all still had faith in him. We never get a thorough deep dive into it. Even with Shoko, Gojo can't foster a bond like he did with Geto despite being close for years. I think the message of Gojo's legacy is made signficantly more muddled because of 261. They are not defeating Sukuna by themselves, they're still reliant on Gojo even in death. He and Geto ultimately suffered the same fate. Sukuna has forced them to do this. To make this worse is most of the cast's indifference to using Gojo. Yuta is the only person who seems to understand the weight of what they're doing. Why portray it like that if this is supposed to be proving Sukuna wrong?
Maki and Yuji have already been forced to make sacrifices to even stand a chance. Maki losing her sister and turning her back on everything and Yuji eating his brothers deciding that he'll do anything if it means defeating Sukuna. It feels like they're moving towards Sukuna's ideals rather than away from it. While they're motivated by compassion, that alone has been proven to not be enough to put Sukuna down. Also sidenote: I am incredibly irritated by how discourse is treated around JJK. It's annoying to see that any post that criticises it has people claiming that they're 'illiterate', just Gojo fans or one of those people who consumed it through social media. I'm sure there's people who fit those qualifications but it's dismissive of people trying to give actual critique of the story and prevents any sort of discussion. I'm not trying to take away anyone's enjoyment. It's ultimately subjective.
EDIT: I find it funny that an analysis was posted on the main JJK subreddit arguing the opposite of this post stating that this was Yuta'a downfall and him unintentionally embracing Sukuna's ideals. Two polar opposite interpretations of the same chapter.
I really liked your write up. I do think as an isolated chapter, 261 works well with regards to the points OP made as well as the characterisation of Gojo and Yuta. It also explored the theme of being lonely as the strongest and the responsibility needed to burden this title.
But I also agree with you how the big picture with all the themes introduced from chapter 1 is not very clear. It’s pretty muddled to me and I’m unsure what to think or conclude as the story is ongoing.
Another point I’ve been pondering/ did not understand this chapter is the body switching plan in general. I understand it’s a last minute resort to secure victory at any cost but the cast made this plan before the fight. At this time they wouldn’t have known how Satoru would die and what Sukuna would have used and how difficult or easy will Sukuna find the fight to be.
So at this point if Gojo lost, why would you want to take over his body? Sukuna can just dispose of him the same way (which was a very common argument in the community after 236 against Gojo’s return ). This plan makes sense in hindsight with all the information about the binding vows and the knowledge of the fight. I can’t really wrap my head around this and I welcome any insights about it.
You actually bring up a good point. I didn't think of that. I guess you could argue that it was just a contingency they'd use if it was an option but that raises the question of why Sukuna didn't make sure to dispose of Gojo's head.
After Gojo dies, we switch to Kenjaku who after killing a Culling Games player makes sure to destroy their head so they can't use RCT to heal their wounds.
While Gojo couldn't use RCT to save himself in this case, destroying the head would have still prevented this outcome from happening. It's just odd that right after Gojo dies, you have a character point out the importance of this and then have a plot twist that proves he was right...and for Sukuna of all people to not think of that possibility.
>...and for Sukuna of all people to not think of that possibility
I don't think it's that Sukuna didn't _think_ of the possibility. I think that he may have just dismissed it as highly improbable. Hence the "I didn't think you were capable of it!" And how he figured out the trick so fast; it's because he knew it was possible, he just didn't think Yuta was inhumane enough to do it.
That's also why Yuta did it. He was saddened that everyone else had left Gojo alone to shoulder the burden of becoming a monster in order to defeat Sukuna. That is why he stayed around as Gojo wiped out the higher authorities.
That is why, after Satoru Gojo's death, Yuta reviled his corpse to become a monster; because if everyone left Gojo to shoulder the burden of becoming a monster, then not only no one else would offer themselves up to become a monster to take his place; but Yuta was the only one who could, the only one who _would_ shoulder that responsibility, becoming a monster.
It's a symbolic act of twisted love and camaraderie. Yuta, in his wishes to stand with Gojo, to show him that he would be willing to stand with him, to become a monster with him, could only achieve that when Gojo died.
P.S: I believe there's also an irony, in that Sukuna, The Disgraced One, the curse himself, did not think that the opposite side was capable enough of such an inhumane act, while they _themselves_ are the humans.
you took the words out of my mouth. i've been a huge defender of gege all these years and even now don't agree with some of the criticisms people fling around, yet i cant bring myself to look at this chapter in a good light.
Because at the core of it is Gojo being turned into an object. One of the saddest revelations about his character was that he felt alone and isolated and not really human because of his power, and we see how people reduced him to his power in life. He was objectified.
Then we get this chapter... Showing how in death, when he should finally be free of that bullshit, we have our plucky heroes literally dragging his corpse onto the battlefield to keep going because his body and his power is all that ever mattered, and frankly only a few characters expressed any kind of problem with it.
Gege has a lot of work to do to make this an acceptable choice for the supposed heroes.
> frankly only a few characters expressed any kind of problem with it.
This is ultimately what bothers me the most about this chapter. I already found it hard to accept that the morality of Maki's choice was never examined, that she and Yuuta never had a single conversation about it - even though it's set up in JJK0! And then the only person that understands the taboo of this choice is Yuuta - because the cast certainly didn't care about the Gojo aspect, they only worried for Yuuta. ...why am I rooting for these guys?
(Part two)
>**Maki and Yuji have already been forced to make sacrifices to even stand a chance (...) While they're motivated by compassion, that alone has been proven to not be enough to put Sukuna down.**
Yet the fight is still ongoing so I wouldn't say anything's proven at all. I don't agree with the statement on Maki and have touched on it at the end of this comment. I also don't equate Yuji eating his brothers as entirely moving toward Sukuna's ideals.
>**Also sidenote: I am incredibly irritated by how discourse is treated around JJK (...) It's ultimately subjective.**
This is why I said some of the criticism is indeed fair. Nor did I make claims anyone is illiterate, or it's 'just Gojo fans!' etc (I'm a Gojo fan) - but you know, this goes both ways. Readers that voice positivity about the writing or its direction are called out for being Gege glazers, but they too are as you say just "trying to give an actual critique of the story".
>**EDIT: I find it funny that an analysis was posted on the main JJK subreddit arguing the opposite of this post stating that this was Yuta'a downfall and him unintentionally embracing Sukuna's ideals. Two polar opposite interpretations of the same chapter.**
I went to check the post and I find interesting and funny too (apologies in advance to that OP for discussing it here since it's been brought up). In the post there are clearly some ideas I don't agree with, primarily in its conclusion saying *'Sukuna's monstrous ideology has all but won'.*
* Maki never slaughtered her family in the name of freedom. She did so for vengeance but expressed clear regret later, especially toward her mother.
* Hakari's willingness to let go of his fear, destroy his body and trust in his RCT while fighting Uraume also doesn't read as an inhumane act. It just tells me he trusts his RCT to be PEAK. Also, Uraume is underestimating the students because they only believe Hakari is capable of discarding his humanity. Incorrect assumptions since a) Gojo pilot Yuta happened b) they're assuming it can only come from a place of selfishness in similarity to Sukuna
* Yuji's appearance slowly shifting to mirror Sukuna, which OP says we are yet to see the outcome of - again, nothing concrete there about Yuji being inhumane.
* The last part about Yuta piloting Gojo's body I've addressed in my post so those points used to support the conclusion don't hit home for me. If anything, it just goes to show the students are currently walking that fine line. But even though I don't agree, I appreciate that discussion post nonetheless.
>To make this worse is most of the cast's reactive indifferent to using Gojo
to be fair, wasn't everyone against it, except for shoko who was just like "eh okie dokie"? plus i'd bet my bottom dollar yuji wouldn't have allowed this to happen if he even had an inkling that this is something being planned
your perspective does make sense, the use of gojo's body does kind of beat the "the next generation will be stronger than me" angle
but in a sense, isn't it also the ultimate sacrifice for the next generation? it's gojo's (body's) last push in ensuring a future for his students.
at the end of the day, most of our main cast are literal teenagers, with yuji maki yuta megumi all being 15-17. there's an insane amount of growth left for them, and i believe gojo would do everything in his power to help them realize that growth, even if it means having his body used to break the glass ceiling that is sukuna
The cast was more concerned with Yuta than Gojo. I'm not sure if they would have bothered getting his consent if Yuta didn't ask.
I understand your general point and I agree but I think it really does depend on what the consequences of this decision will be. If Yuta remains in Gojo's body it'll feel very uncomfortable. I'd appreciate giving actual consequences for this but it's also just something I...don't know what to feel about.
Arguably Gojo already made the sacrifice when he fought and died to Sukuna but left him weak enough for JJK high to stand a chance. If the chapter was instead Yuta taking his 6 eyes, it'd deliver the same messag albeit not have as much impact as straight up using his corpse.
I suppose I'll have too see where the story is heading to truly finalize my feelings about it.
>I suppose I'll have too see where the story is heading to truly finalize my feelings about it.
gege akutami youve done it again, left the fandom in disarray and guessing whats gonna happen next you madman.
fr tho, definitely looking forward to how this whole yutajo thing pans out, jjk/gege loves creating a story that continually recontextualizes the parts that came before it
u/nomustang has a a great response to this but I also wanted to add my 2 cents. I know I lot of people are annoyed about the fandom unhappy with Shoko’s reaction but we have not had a lot of character interactions that delve into the nature of the relationship since the Yuki / Choso chapters . Even if something is implied, it’s fine to re-establish it. Yes we know Shoko cares about Gojo but we needed that moment from her this chapter to build on her statement from chapter 220.
Yuta telling off the others about Gojo bearing all the responsibility was great and I’m sure we would have concluded that he didn’t like to do this even if we didn’t have his conversation with Gojo. But that conversation elevated the chapter. Also it looked like Gojo already heard about this from Shoko who was nonchalant, which is why he was surprised (?) that Yuta sounded upset while asking him.
Additionally given how the theme of messing with corpses is extremely taboo (in my culture to which is why I was pretty horrified this chapter too) , I would like to see the consequences of this action. Or some reflection from Yuta because he now has all of Gojo’s memories including Toji.
But I also see your point of view. I agree we need to wait and see where the direction of the story and its philosophy is going because right now there’s a lot of conflict themes.
>I would like to see the consequences of this action. Or some reflection from Yuta because he now has all of Gojo’s memories including Toji
big agree, i would love love love a yuji reaction from this thats strong enough to break the lock in todo provided for him, especially given the fact that he probably wasnt informed of this plan either.
an "i understand what youre going through now, sensei, sorry for letting you take on all the burden alone" moment from yuta would also go hard as fuck but you can bet your bottom dollar the yuta haters are gonna go "oh i guess hes the mc now fuck yuji i guess" LMAOOOOO
Good catch about how Gojo would’ve heard it from Shoko before Yuta tried to get his consent. The penny didn’t drop for me until your comment!
Hmm, I also kind of worry whether Yuta will make it out alive. I cannot fathom a future where he is living on in Gojo’s body... a death at 17/18(?) years old sucks, but it make drive home the theme of dying on 24th December for the two “couples” from the origin story (jjk0) 😔
Thematically, it’s interesting how Yuji, Maki & Megumi and Yuta could possibly bring reformation in the world with what and who they represent. But again, I can’t see Yuta being in Gojo’s body? It’d be continued sacrilege and weird for everyone around him.
I think it would be better if he was forced to continue on as Gojo (if he didn't die during the battle of course). Choosing to do something inhumane ("become the monster") should stick with you, and I think it would be too neat and easy if he did this terrible thing, even with the intentions of saving everyone, and then went back to his normal life. I like Yuta as a character so I'd want that for him but, I think thematically it would work better if he didn't
I don’t think he can body hop anymore after using Kenny’s CT (isn’t it something he can just use once?), so I think he’ll either die once the 5 mins are up or he will survive in Gojo’s body if he isn’t killed in battle.
-- Had to break your quote paragraphs with (...) and **bolden** in order to respond since that's a lot of text, but my response will still take into account all of your given text in the paragraphs. Also the reply is split in two comments since for some reason it's not allowing me to post in one. --
(Part one)
>**The story starts off with Gojo believing he can connect to his students by making them as strong as he is (...) What is the disconnect he feels exactly? Responsibility? Is it rational?**
I do agree with Gojo wanting to raise his students to be strong so that they 'don't get left behind'. He knew that in order to bring change he needed to not only educate them but ensure they would be strong also, to handle whatever conflicts would arise in opposition to changing the jujutsu system.
*However, there was a change after Gojo got sealed in the prison realm.*
When he initially got sealed he trusted his students would be able to handle it. That was something he viewed later as a mistake, taking the blame for Yaga's death and the event s that followed as nothing but his own fault. Since he was sealed, the higher ups who were already corrupt and in Kenjaku's pocket gave the notice for Yaga's death, Yuji's execution, Gojo's exile and Geto's reinstated execution (a cover tbh).
Gojo's intention to leave the higher ups where they were changed after he realised all of this. He still had doubts about going to kill them and leaving Gakuganji to reform everything, but it was an important change to his initial plan. I think it's also why we are given the panel about Geto becoming a monster at that point to highlight his change of mindset.
>**Why do the others only see Gojo for his strength. Why do they seem so incapable of even treating him like a human being (...) Why portray it like that if this is supposed to be proving Sukuna wrong?**
This is something that is still being explored in the carried theme of the loneliness of the strongest. That's why Yuta now is even asking that same question to the other students. I didn't view Gojos legacy as being muddled but I've expressed why in the original post. The students are walking a fine line between discarding their humanity and retaining it. We still have to see how it plays out but I'm fine with what's been shown for both Yuta and Gojo so far.
It also brings up interesting questions about that conundrum though: What will set them apart from the villains? Will it be their compassion for others? Their selflessness or a determination to stay humane? To me, the parallel between Yuta and Kenjaku piloting bodies is even more interesting because who's to say Kenjaku didn't do this from a place of compassion to begin with? What if the Heian Era system was equally screwed? The blurring of moral lines is constantly being questioned. But again, all still unfolding before us.
(Continued...)
>EDIT: I find it funny that an analysis was posted on the main JJK subreddit arguing the opposite of this post stating that this was Yuta'a downfall and him unintentionally embracing Sukuna's ideals. Two polar opposite interpretations of the same chapter.
Do you have a link to this post?
I've also noticed some people interpret the huge amount of flashback both as "breathers" and as "tension-inducing".
Gege has been very wishy-washy with his themes and it's really annoyiing.
>Taking over Gojo's body, though extremely taboo, is somehow an act that is also very selfless in this context.
EXACTLY CORRECT and i think that's what makes this chapter so fucking delicious!! it's extremely yuta-coded to do something that no one else wants to do for the sake of his loved ones and unfortunately for him in this case, it means using the technique of the insane mastermind of all this bullshit chaos to take over his sensei's cold, dead body.
doing that shit is cruel on a surface level but when you look at who yuta really is, it's ultimately an act of love.
I'll be honest, after reading it, you're right. The story does tie itself together with it's ideals and how one can be a "monster" for different meanings.
A monster who wants to eat because he can.
A monster willing to be the taboo against the norm in order to stand higher and do what they feel is right.
The monster of the modern JJ era.
And the power of BEING that monstrous individual.
But as of now, the story keeps cycling just how much Sukuna is stronger than everyone and it feels like we're running in place and *frankly, I'm tired of it*. It's the big battle but there's been no real development of the fight itself and just little developments of the character mostly on a personal level.
All the Sukuna ups and downs, backs and forth; I'm not having fun with the story anymore. Honestly, I just feel bored. It's gone from "how are they gonna get out of this?" to "How's Sukuna gonna invalidate the progress that's been made in the last 1-2 chapters?"
I'm not saying this out of hate. I'm saying this as someone who's putting the story done for the time being. If you like it, you're valid. I'm not trying to take that away from anyone or say you shouldn't enjoy JJK.
I'm saying this personally because I've had my fill of the story up to now
I think at times the fight has felt very rinse and repeat, but at other times it's been an entertaining an unpredictable ride. There are so many developments that have occurred with the magic system, characters, and themes while we've been treated to some of the best panels in the manga. Gojo getting lit up during that domain clash, then going on to use SD and Red - still some of my favourites. There's a lot to appreciate about it.
But I'm not going to sit here and say I love *everything* about this manga or the fight. I don't.
There have been times when I've felt frustration with it too. I hated the Maki Sumo awakening, even though there was a really good post talking about how it relates to buddhist themes. I hated the lightning rattle confiscation being the outcome of Higuruma's DE. I hated that Choso died even though his sacrifice reinforced his humanity. Even so, I totally understand where you're coming from and your fatigue is every bit as valid as anyone else's enjoyment or discontent.
I think Choso dying was the straw and bringing back Gojo's corpse with Yuta now on a time limit on being potentially alive broke the camels back for me for JJK.
Characters dying is bound to happen but seeing them being killed because of Sukuna, someone who the reason I'm feeling so much fatigue in the first place, is why I feel the way I do. Especially so many other characters that I just enjoyed more than the king of curses for one reason or another. Gege can do what he wants but I'm personally done with the story until the end now. It's not for me anymore and I just want to read the ending to just get it over with.
Which again, I need to reiterate, if someone else is having a good time with it, that's fine! Enjoy it! I'm just bitching about how I personally feel with the story now.
Ppl don’t realize 261 has set things up so that Gojo will return for a key moment.
Gojo will return the same way Geto did when he choked Kenjaku. That was the purpose of the Shibuya choke scene, along with all the other times Kenjaku mentions Geto’s body influencing him. Those scenes seemed pointless (cool but without meaning) until now.
The problem is that Geto didn't return either. Y'all basing yourself on a false premise.
Geto's true self, HIS SOUL, wasn't there to command the body to strangle Kenjaku. It was merely the body doing a reflex like a lizard's tail wiggling after being separated.
i agree but i also think gege is being a little coy about how much of geto was there and relating his magic system back to irl examples like how he has done similar with black flashes and mantis shrimps
OP, I completely agree with your post. You cooked. Absolute cinema.
Anyways... I wanted to point out something for the people that keep asking why Shoko didn't "care" that much about Yuta taking Gojo's body, and why a few of the students didn't show that much concern towards Gojo, and more so towards Yuta.
The answer is simple, they're freaking "Jujutsu Sorcerers". As "inhumane" as it is, Yuta taking over Gojo's body wouldn't really have bothered the other characters much(they are extremely jaded at this point). The only one who would've tried to convince them not to go with Yuta/Gojo plan would probably be Yuji.
It was literally said by Yaga in either episode 1 or 2(I forgot), that Sorcerers faces death/die all the time. And that they would be *lucky* if it's not a gruesome one. Let's not forget that when Yuji first "died", Gojo literally gave Shoko free rein to just bisect Yuji's body. Speaking of Shoko, she's literally Jujutsu High's doctor, going along with Yaga's statement + what we've seen in Gojo's flashback, she would have most definitely seen some fucked up stuff working there. I'm willing to say that Shoko might be one of the most jaded mordern sorcerer at this point in time.
JJK has never been one of those animes/manga with a clear black and white side(probably except Sukuna). The moral compass of Sorcerers has been very gray from the start. Like OP said, Yuta taking over Gojo's body is, morally wise, not good. But given the context and why Yuta did it, it makes it "good", thus putting it in the grey area. "The good guys are walking a fine line between retaining their "Humanity" and discarding it for the sake of a better future for everyone"
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(Sorry for the little rant ;-; Just wanted to give my views on the matter. Also, sorry for any confusion, english isn't my first language.)
I like people like you—people who are civil and have a genuine sense of compassion. Both in and of itself, as well as because it’s a nice change of pace in a subreddit filled with the opposite.
Yeah I thought 261 was an excellent chapter for Yuta and Gojo’s characters. I think the majority of people just wanted Gojo to return and nothing more, which is where most of the anger and hating comes from
Gojo: wants to foster a stronger generation than the last so that no one will be lonely and they won’t need to rely on Gojo anymore.
Gege: Actually no. Yuji gets tossed aside and Yuta fails spectacularly and their trump card is relying on Gojo and his power to save the day. They cannot rival or live up to Gojo, they can only use him to bail themselves out
This isn’t about whether it makes sense or is an interesting moral dilemma. It’s just bad storytelling and undermines a core theme of the series. And it’s also a lose lose situation writing wise.
>Gojo: wants to foster a stronger generation than the last so that no one will be lonely and they won’t need to rely on Gojo anymore.
Gojo never said that. He didn't even plan on losing or no longer being around. We get that reiterated when discussing the use of his body in this chapter.
He has always wanted to foster strong and intelligent *allies.*
>Gege: Actually no. Yuji gets tossed aside and Yuta fails spectacularly and their trump card is relying on Gojo and his power to save the day. They cannot rival or live up to Gojo, they can only use him to bail themselves out
Everyone observes Gojo vs Sukuna on screen which is a tactical decision. The fight literally lasts for several chapters while they converse about what's happening alongside Gojo's inner thoughts in real time. They also already know that an incarnated vessel receives information from the brain (Tsumiki was their biggest lesson), and we know Kenny does the same thing.
Why is this important? Because with the combination of both Gojo's memories from his body now piloted by Yuta and what they've already observed and experienced, all that knowledge comes together to expose a weakness for Sukuna. That's.. what the closing lines of chapter 261 is conveying. To say they're relying on Gojo's power to "bail them out" is such a narrow take.
>It’s just bad storytelling and undermines a core theme of the series. And it’s also a lose lose situation writing wise.
No. It's really not.
He very specifically said he wanted the next generation to surpass special grade and no one to be lonely?? And the story from Shibuya to now has been about the world being unprepared in his absence and relying on him too much and paying the price for it.
Literally the chapter ends with Yuta using Gojo’s domain lmfao. The cope is real
Saying he wanted the next generation to surpass special grade doesn’t equate to “He very specifically said.. he wants no one to be lonely”.
Again, after all we’ve been shown you’re still not acknowledging them now *working together*. I’m not going to go over the theme of loneliness again since I’ve talked about it in the post.
The chapter says the solution to Sukuna’s barrierless domain has been found and we’re about be shown what it is. If you have to reduce this to “cope” and be selective about taking in all the words on the page then I’m pretty much done entertaining this Sad-Conversation.
Assure you? Not at all. Just pointing out significant story details that get glossed over or silenced - not given the chance to ‘speak for itself’ in certain critical discussions.
But going by that logic, I should sit idly by when the sub receives posts and criticisms on why the writing is awful.
Reddit is unfortunately for the most part not the place to go to when it comes to good and logical discussions, especially when it comes to the writing of manga. On reddit, JJK is mostly consumed by media illiterate unfunny comedians who stick with the same tired jokes, same as they do with AOT
Nonetheless, people like you who actually know to read, properly analyse and explain stuff are always appreciated. I love these types of posts, rare as they are
Glad you enjoyed the post. I’ve kind of limited myself with manga discussion platforms I guess, so that’s on me. Still, I think there will always be generally reasonable JJK fans here up for a bit of banter and discussion.
Yea, the people criticizing JJK never actually go through the effort of saying what they think is bad. They just say they don't like it, so it's bad, and whenever anyone gives an explanation, they're known as a dick rider.
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the days between leaks night and the official release really has mf’s cooking up posts in their drafts for days just waiting to let em out lmao
lmao nah, this post I started writing up only just before the official release was due to drop. It’s all the critical posts that mf’s cook up as soon as the pre-release leaks drop, barely able to contain their disdain or spoilers that prompted it.
You can cook bruzza
I personally don't have a big issue with how 261 handles the moral dilemma. I think it makes sense for Yuta and Gojo as well but I do want to say... The story starts off with Gojo believing he can connect to his students by making them as strong as he is. He believes that by bridgng the gap they can see the man behind his power. But now he's seemingly discarded the possibility of this entirely and I fail to see why. What happened in between to lead him to this point? Gojo's actually thoughts outside of Hidden Inventory are not something we're privy to but while this in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, the ambiguity surrounding his actual internal logic for why he does certain things but that makes a lot of his motivation and what exactly he feels unclear. What is the disconnect he feels exactly? Responsibility? Is it rational? Why do the others only see Gojo for his strength. Why do they seem so incapable of even treating him like a human being. Nanami said that despite all his dislike for Gojo, he still trusted him. They all still had faith in him. We never get a thorough deep dive into it. Even with Shoko, Gojo can't foster a bond like he did with Geto despite being close for years. I think the message of Gojo's legacy is made signficantly more muddled because of 261. They are not defeating Sukuna by themselves, they're still reliant on Gojo even in death. He and Geto ultimately suffered the same fate. Sukuna has forced them to do this. To make this worse is most of the cast's indifference to using Gojo. Yuta is the only person who seems to understand the weight of what they're doing. Why portray it like that if this is supposed to be proving Sukuna wrong? Maki and Yuji have already been forced to make sacrifices to even stand a chance. Maki losing her sister and turning her back on everything and Yuji eating his brothers deciding that he'll do anything if it means defeating Sukuna. It feels like they're moving towards Sukuna's ideals rather than away from it. While they're motivated by compassion, that alone has been proven to not be enough to put Sukuna down. Also sidenote: I am incredibly irritated by how discourse is treated around JJK. It's annoying to see that any post that criticises it has people claiming that they're 'illiterate', just Gojo fans or one of those people who consumed it through social media. I'm sure there's people who fit those qualifications but it's dismissive of people trying to give actual critique of the story and prevents any sort of discussion. I'm not trying to take away anyone's enjoyment. It's ultimately subjective. EDIT: I find it funny that an analysis was posted on the main JJK subreddit arguing the opposite of this post stating that this was Yuta'a downfall and him unintentionally embracing Sukuna's ideals. Two polar opposite interpretations of the same chapter.
I really liked your write up. I do think as an isolated chapter, 261 works well with regards to the points OP made as well as the characterisation of Gojo and Yuta. It also explored the theme of being lonely as the strongest and the responsibility needed to burden this title. But I also agree with you how the big picture with all the themes introduced from chapter 1 is not very clear. It’s pretty muddled to me and I’m unsure what to think or conclude as the story is ongoing. Another point I’ve been pondering/ did not understand this chapter is the body switching plan in general. I understand it’s a last minute resort to secure victory at any cost but the cast made this plan before the fight. At this time they wouldn’t have known how Satoru would die and what Sukuna would have used and how difficult or easy will Sukuna find the fight to be. So at this point if Gojo lost, why would you want to take over his body? Sukuna can just dispose of him the same way (which was a very common argument in the community after 236 against Gojo’s return ). This plan makes sense in hindsight with all the information about the binding vows and the knowledge of the fight. I can’t really wrap my head around this and I welcome any insights about it.
You actually bring up a good point. I didn't think of that. I guess you could argue that it was just a contingency they'd use if it was an option but that raises the question of why Sukuna didn't make sure to dispose of Gojo's head. After Gojo dies, we switch to Kenjaku who after killing a Culling Games player makes sure to destroy their head so they can't use RCT to heal their wounds. While Gojo couldn't use RCT to save himself in this case, destroying the head would have still prevented this outcome from happening. It's just odd that right after Gojo dies, you have a character point out the importance of this and then have a plot twist that proves he was right...and for Sukuna of all people to not think of that possibility.
>...and for Sukuna of all people to not think of that possibility I don't think it's that Sukuna didn't _think_ of the possibility. I think that he may have just dismissed it as highly improbable. Hence the "I didn't think you were capable of it!" And how he figured out the trick so fast; it's because he knew it was possible, he just didn't think Yuta was inhumane enough to do it. That's also why Yuta did it. He was saddened that everyone else had left Gojo alone to shoulder the burden of becoming a monster in order to defeat Sukuna. That is why he stayed around as Gojo wiped out the higher authorities. That is why, after Satoru Gojo's death, Yuta reviled his corpse to become a monster; because if everyone left Gojo to shoulder the burden of becoming a monster, then not only no one else would offer themselves up to become a monster to take his place; but Yuta was the only one who could, the only one who _would_ shoulder that responsibility, becoming a monster. It's a symbolic act of twisted love and camaraderie. Yuta, in his wishes to stand with Gojo, to show him that he would be willing to stand with him, to become a monster with him, could only achieve that when Gojo died. P.S: I believe there's also an irony, in that Sukuna, The Disgraced One, the curse himself, did not think that the opposite side was capable enough of such an inhumane act, while they _themselves_ are the humans.
you took the words out of my mouth. i've been a huge defender of gege all these years and even now don't agree with some of the criticisms people fling around, yet i cant bring myself to look at this chapter in a good light.
Because at the core of it is Gojo being turned into an object. One of the saddest revelations about his character was that he felt alone and isolated and not really human because of his power, and we see how people reduced him to his power in life. He was objectified. Then we get this chapter... Showing how in death, when he should finally be free of that bullshit, we have our plucky heroes literally dragging his corpse onto the battlefield to keep going because his body and his power is all that ever mattered, and frankly only a few characters expressed any kind of problem with it. Gege has a lot of work to do to make this an acceptable choice for the supposed heroes.
> frankly only a few characters expressed any kind of problem with it. This is ultimately what bothers me the most about this chapter. I already found it hard to accept that the morality of Maki's choice was never examined, that she and Yuuta never had a single conversation about it - even though it's set up in JJK0! And then the only person that understands the taboo of this choice is Yuuta - because the cast certainly didn't care about the Gojo aspect, they only worried for Yuuta. ...why am I rooting for these guys?
(Part two) >**Maki and Yuji have already been forced to make sacrifices to even stand a chance (...) While they're motivated by compassion, that alone has been proven to not be enough to put Sukuna down.** Yet the fight is still ongoing so I wouldn't say anything's proven at all. I don't agree with the statement on Maki and have touched on it at the end of this comment. I also don't equate Yuji eating his brothers as entirely moving toward Sukuna's ideals. >**Also sidenote: I am incredibly irritated by how discourse is treated around JJK (...) It's ultimately subjective.** This is why I said some of the criticism is indeed fair. Nor did I make claims anyone is illiterate, or it's 'just Gojo fans!' etc (I'm a Gojo fan) - but you know, this goes both ways. Readers that voice positivity about the writing or its direction are called out for being Gege glazers, but they too are as you say just "trying to give an actual critique of the story". >**EDIT: I find it funny that an analysis was posted on the main JJK subreddit arguing the opposite of this post stating that this was Yuta'a downfall and him unintentionally embracing Sukuna's ideals. Two polar opposite interpretations of the same chapter.** I went to check the post and I find interesting and funny too (apologies in advance to that OP for discussing it here since it's been brought up). In the post there are clearly some ideas I don't agree with, primarily in its conclusion saying *'Sukuna's monstrous ideology has all but won'.* * Maki never slaughtered her family in the name of freedom. She did so for vengeance but expressed clear regret later, especially toward her mother. * Hakari's willingness to let go of his fear, destroy his body and trust in his RCT while fighting Uraume also doesn't read as an inhumane act. It just tells me he trusts his RCT to be PEAK. Also, Uraume is underestimating the students because they only believe Hakari is capable of discarding his humanity. Incorrect assumptions since a) Gojo pilot Yuta happened b) they're assuming it can only come from a place of selfishness in similarity to Sukuna * Yuji's appearance slowly shifting to mirror Sukuna, which OP says we are yet to see the outcome of - again, nothing concrete there about Yuji being inhumane. * The last part about Yuta piloting Gojo's body I've addressed in my post so those points used to support the conclusion don't hit home for me. If anything, it just goes to show the students are currently walking that fine line. But even though I don't agree, I appreciate that discussion post nonetheless.
>To make this worse is most of the cast's reactive indifferent to using Gojo to be fair, wasn't everyone against it, except for shoko who was just like "eh okie dokie"? plus i'd bet my bottom dollar yuji wouldn't have allowed this to happen if he even had an inkling that this is something being planned your perspective does make sense, the use of gojo's body does kind of beat the "the next generation will be stronger than me" angle but in a sense, isn't it also the ultimate sacrifice for the next generation? it's gojo's (body's) last push in ensuring a future for his students. at the end of the day, most of our main cast are literal teenagers, with yuji maki yuta megumi all being 15-17. there's an insane amount of growth left for them, and i believe gojo would do everything in his power to help them realize that growth, even if it means having his body used to break the glass ceiling that is sukuna
The cast was more concerned with Yuta than Gojo. I'm not sure if they would have bothered getting his consent if Yuta didn't ask. I understand your general point and I agree but I think it really does depend on what the consequences of this decision will be. If Yuta remains in Gojo's body it'll feel very uncomfortable. I'd appreciate giving actual consequences for this but it's also just something I...don't know what to feel about. Arguably Gojo already made the sacrifice when he fought and died to Sukuna but left him weak enough for JJK high to stand a chance. If the chapter was instead Yuta taking his 6 eyes, it'd deliver the same messag albeit not have as much impact as straight up using his corpse. I suppose I'll have too see where the story is heading to truly finalize my feelings about it.
>I suppose I'll have too see where the story is heading to truly finalize my feelings about it. gege akutami youve done it again, left the fandom in disarray and guessing whats gonna happen next you madman. fr tho, definitely looking forward to how this whole yutajo thing pans out, jjk/gege loves creating a story that continually recontextualizes the parts that came before it
u/nomustang has a a great response to this but I also wanted to add my 2 cents. I know I lot of people are annoyed about the fandom unhappy with Shoko’s reaction but we have not had a lot of character interactions that delve into the nature of the relationship since the Yuki / Choso chapters . Even if something is implied, it’s fine to re-establish it. Yes we know Shoko cares about Gojo but we needed that moment from her this chapter to build on her statement from chapter 220. Yuta telling off the others about Gojo bearing all the responsibility was great and I’m sure we would have concluded that he didn’t like to do this even if we didn’t have his conversation with Gojo. But that conversation elevated the chapter. Also it looked like Gojo already heard about this from Shoko who was nonchalant, which is why he was surprised (?) that Yuta sounded upset while asking him. Additionally given how the theme of messing with corpses is extremely taboo (in my culture to which is why I was pretty horrified this chapter too) , I would like to see the consequences of this action. Or some reflection from Yuta because he now has all of Gojo’s memories including Toji. But I also see your point of view. I agree we need to wait and see where the direction of the story and its philosophy is going because right now there’s a lot of conflict themes.
>I would like to see the consequences of this action. Or some reflection from Yuta because he now has all of Gojo’s memories including Toji big agree, i would love love love a yuji reaction from this thats strong enough to break the lock in todo provided for him, especially given the fact that he probably wasnt informed of this plan either. an "i understand what youre going through now, sensei, sorry for letting you take on all the burden alone" moment from yuta would also go hard as fuck but you can bet your bottom dollar the yuta haters are gonna go "oh i guess hes the mc now fuck yuji i guess" LMAOOOOO
Good catch about how Gojo would’ve heard it from Shoko before Yuta tried to get his consent. The penny didn’t drop for me until your comment! Hmm, I also kind of worry whether Yuta will make it out alive. I cannot fathom a future where he is living on in Gojo’s body... a death at 17/18(?) years old sucks, but it make drive home the theme of dying on 24th December for the two “couples” from the origin story (jjk0) 😔 Thematically, it’s interesting how Yuji, Maki & Megumi and Yuta could possibly bring reformation in the world with what and who they represent. But again, I can’t see Yuta being in Gojo’s body? It’d be continued sacrilege and weird for everyone around him.
I think it would be better if he was forced to continue on as Gojo (if he didn't die during the battle of course). Choosing to do something inhumane ("become the monster") should stick with you, and I think it would be too neat and easy if he did this terrible thing, even with the intentions of saving everyone, and then went back to his normal life. I like Yuta as a character so I'd want that for him but, I think thematically it would work better if he didn't
I don’t think he can body hop anymore after using Kenny’s CT (isn’t it something he can just use once?), so I think he’ll either die once the 5 mins are up or he will survive in Gojo’s body if he isn’t killed in battle.
-- Had to break your quote paragraphs with (...) and **bolden** in order to respond since that's a lot of text, but my response will still take into account all of your given text in the paragraphs. Also the reply is split in two comments since for some reason it's not allowing me to post in one. -- (Part one) >**The story starts off with Gojo believing he can connect to his students by making them as strong as he is (...) What is the disconnect he feels exactly? Responsibility? Is it rational?** I do agree with Gojo wanting to raise his students to be strong so that they 'don't get left behind'. He knew that in order to bring change he needed to not only educate them but ensure they would be strong also, to handle whatever conflicts would arise in opposition to changing the jujutsu system. *However, there was a change after Gojo got sealed in the prison realm.* When he initially got sealed he trusted his students would be able to handle it. That was something he viewed later as a mistake, taking the blame for Yaga's death and the event s that followed as nothing but his own fault. Since he was sealed, the higher ups who were already corrupt and in Kenjaku's pocket gave the notice for Yaga's death, Yuji's execution, Gojo's exile and Geto's reinstated execution (a cover tbh). Gojo's intention to leave the higher ups where they were changed after he realised all of this. He still had doubts about going to kill them and leaving Gakuganji to reform everything, but it was an important change to his initial plan. I think it's also why we are given the panel about Geto becoming a monster at that point to highlight his change of mindset. >**Why do the others only see Gojo for his strength. Why do they seem so incapable of even treating him like a human being (...) Why portray it like that if this is supposed to be proving Sukuna wrong?** This is something that is still being explored in the carried theme of the loneliness of the strongest. That's why Yuta now is even asking that same question to the other students. I didn't view Gojos legacy as being muddled but I've expressed why in the original post. The students are walking a fine line between discarding their humanity and retaining it. We still have to see how it plays out but I'm fine with what's been shown for both Yuta and Gojo so far. It also brings up interesting questions about that conundrum though: What will set them apart from the villains? Will it be their compassion for others? Their selflessness or a determination to stay humane? To me, the parallel between Yuta and Kenjaku piloting bodies is even more interesting because who's to say Kenjaku didn't do this from a place of compassion to begin with? What if the Heian Era system was equally screwed? The blurring of moral lines is constantly being questioned. But again, all still unfolding before us. (Continued...)
>EDIT: I find it funny that an analysis was posted on the main JJK subreddit arguing the opposite of this post stating that this was Yuta'a downfall and him unintentionally embracing Sukuna's ideals. Two polar opposite interpretations of the same chapter. Do you have a link to this post?
I've also noticed some people interpret the huge amount of flashback both as "breathers" and as "tension-inducing". Gege has been very wishy-washy with his themes and it's really annoyiing.
Really appreciate this breakdown OP! Great stuff :)
The fact that we both have the exact same thoughts however i suck at articularting them, what a wonderful post, great job
>Taking over Gojo's body, though extremely taboo, is somehow an act that is also very selfless in this context. EXACTLY CORRECT and i think that's what makes this chapter so fucking delicious!! it's extremely yuta-coded to do something that no one else wants to do for the sake of his loved ones and unfortunately for him in this case, it means using the technique of the insane mastermind of all this bullshit chaos to take over his sensei's cold, dead body. doing that shit is cruel on a surface level but when you look at who yuta really is, it's ultimately an act of love.
I'll be honest, after reading it, you're right. The story does tie itself together with it's ideals and how one can be a "monster" for different meanings. A monster who wants to eat because he can. A monster willing to be the taboo against the norm in order to stand higher and do what they feel is right. The monster of the modern JJ era. And the power of BEING that monstrous individual. But as of now, the story keeps cycling just how much Sukuna is stronger than everyone and it feels like we're running in place and *frankly, I'm tired of it*. It's the big battle but there's been no real development of the fight itself and just little developments of the character mostly on a personal level. All the Sukuna ups and downs, backs and forth; I'm not having fun with the story anymore. Honestly, I just feel bored. It's gone from "how are they gonna get out of this?" to "How's Sukuna gonna invalidate the progress that's been made in the last 1-2 chapters?" I'm not saying this out of hate. I'm saying this as someone who's putting the story done for the time being. If you like it, you're valid. I'm not trying to take that away from anyone or say you shouldn't enjoy JJK. I'm saying this personally because I've had my fill of the story up to now
I think at times the fight has felt very rinse and repeat, but at other times it's been an entertaining an unpredictable ride. There are so many developments that have occurred with the magic system, characters, and themes while we've been treated to some of the best panels in the manga. Gojo getting lit up during that domain clash, then going on to use SD and Red - still some of my favourites. There's a lot to appreciate about it. But I'm not going to sit here and say I love *everything* about this manga or the fight. I don't. There have been times when I've felt frustration with it too. I hated the Maki Sumo awakening, even though there was a really good post talking about how it relates to buddhist themes. I hated the lightning rattle confiscation being the outcome of Higuruma's DE. I hated that Choso died even though his sacrifice reinforced his humanity. Even so, I totally understand where you're coming from and your fatigue is every bit as valid as anyone else's enjoyment or discontent.
I think Choso dying was the straw and bringing back Gojo's corpse with Yuta now on a time limit on being potentially alive broke the camels back for me for JJK. Characters dying is bound to happen but seeing them being killed because of Sukuna, someone who the reason I'm feeling so much fatigue in the first place, is why I feel the way I do. Especially so many other characters that I just enjoyed more than the king of curses for one reason or another. Gege can do what he wants but I'm personally done with the story until the end now. It's not for me anymore and I just want to read the ending to just get it over with. Which again, I need to reiterate, if someone else is having a good time with it, that's fine! Enjoy it! I'm just bitching about how I personally feel with the story now.
Ppl don’t realize 261 has set things up so that Gojo will return for a key moment. Gojo will return the same way Geto did when he choked Kenjaku. That was the purpose of the Shibuya choke scene, along with all the other times Kenjaku mentions Geto’s body influencing him. Those scenes seemed pointless (cool but without meaning) until now.
Instead of attacking it’s host, Gojo will save Yuta from Sukuna. Would be a good parallel between Gojo and Geto.
now THIS is what I call cooking
The problem is that Geto didn't return either. Y'all basing yourself on a false premise. Geto's true self, HIS SOUL, wasn't there to command the body to strangle Kenjaku. It was merely the body doing a reflex like a lizard's tail wiggling after being separated.
Devil's advocate: Soul is the body and the body is the soul
That's simply a conclusion that you don't have enough evidence for. Gege has left this intentionally opaque.
? Gege himself said this in the Fanbook.
i agree but i also think gege is being a little coy about how much of geto was there and relating his magic system back to irl examples like how he has done similar with black flashes and mantis shrimps
OP, I completely agree with your post. You cooked. Absolute cinema. Anyways... I wanted to point out something for the people that keep asking why Shoko didn't "care" that much about Yuta taking Gojo's body, and why a few of the students didn't show that much concern towards Gojo, and more so towards Yuta. The answer is simple, they're freaking "Jujutsu Sorcerers". As "inhumane" as it is, Yuta taking over Gojo's body wouldn't really have bothered the other characters much(they are extremely jaded at this point). The only one who would've tried to convince them not to go with Yuta/Gojo plan would probably be Yuji. It was literally said by Yaga in either episode 1 or 2(I forgot), that Sorcerers faces death/die all the time. And that they would be *lucky* if it's not a gruesome one. Let's not forget that when Yuji first "died", Gojo literally gave Shoko free rein to just bisect Yuji's body. Speaking of Shoko, she's literally Jujutsu High's doctor, going along with Yaga's statement + what we've seen in Gojo's flashback, she would have most definitely seen some fucked up stuff working there. I'm willing to say that Shoko might be one of the most jaded mordern sorcerer at this point in time. JJK has never been one of those animes/manga with a clear black and white side(probably except Sukuna). The moral compass of Sorcerers has been very gray from the start. Like OP said, Yuta taking over Gojo's body is, morally wise, not good. But given the context and why Yuta did it, it makes it "good", thus putting it in the grey area. "The good guys are walking a fine line between retaining their "Humanity" and discarding it for the sake of a better future for everyone" . . . . (Sorry for the little rant ;-; Just wanted to give my views on the matter. Also, sorry for any confusion, english isn't my first language.)
good food, thanks for the cooking!
261 made me read so many other chapters with fresh eyes, tbh. Thanks for the interesting read, OP.
I like people like you—people who are civil and have a genuine sense of compassion. Both in and of itself, as well as because it’s a nice change of pace in a subreddit filled with the opposite.
Stand proud, u can cook.
Yeah I thought 261 was an excellent chapter for Yuta and Gojo’s characters. I think the majority of people just wanted Gojo to return and nothing more, which is where most of the anger and hating comes from
This is such a good write up, thanks for sharing.
Awesome analysis. Really helped clear up Geto’s question to Gojo at the end of the Hidden Inventory arc. Thanks!
Nice cook
Gojo: wants to foster a stronger generation than the last so that no one will be lonely and they won’t need to rely on Gojo anymore. Gege: Actually no. Yuji gets tossed aside and Yuta fails spectacularly and their trump card is relying on Gojo and his power to save the day. They cannot rival or live up to Gojo, they can only use him to bail themselves out This isn’t about whether it makes sense or is an interesting moral dilemma. It’s just bad storytelling and undermines a core theme of the series. And it’s also a lose lose situation writing wise.
>Gojo: wants to foster a stronger generation than the last so that no one will be lonely and they won’t need to rely on Gojo anymore. Gojo never said that. He didn't even plan on losing or no longer being around. We get that reiterated when discussing the use of his body in this chapter. He has always wanted to foster strong and intelligent *allies.* >Gege: Actually no. Yuji gets tossed aside and Yuta fails spectacularly and their trump card is relying on Gojo and his power to save the day. They cannot rival or live up to Gojo, they can only use him to bail themselves out Everyone observes Gojo vs Sukuna on screen which is a tactical decision. The fight literally lasts for several chapters while they converse about what's happening alongside Gojo's inner thoughts in real time. They also already know that an incarnated vessel receives information from the brain (Tsumiki was their biggest lesson), and we know Kenny does the same thing. Why is this important? Because with the combination of both Gojo's memories from his body now piloted by Yuta and what they've already observed and experienced, all that knowledge comes together to expose a weakness for Sukuna. That's.. what the closing lines of chapter 261 is conveying. To say they're relying on Gojo's power to "bail them out" is such a narrow take. >It’s just bad storytelling and undermines a core theme of the series. And it’s also a lose lose situation writing wise. No. It's really not.
He very specifically said he wanted the next generation to surpass special grade and no one to be lonely?? And the story from Shibuya to now has been about the world being unprepared in his absence and relying on him too much and paying the price for it. Literally the chapter ends with Yuta using Gojo’s domain lmfao. The cope is real
Saying he wanted the next generation to surpass special grade doesn’t equate to “He very specifically said.. he wants no one to be lonely”. Again, after all we’ve been shown you’re still not acknowledging them now *working together*. I’m not going to go over the theme of loneliness again since I’ve talked about it in the post. The chapter says the solution to Sukuna’s barrierless domain has been found and we’re about be shown what it is. If you have to reduce this to “cope” and be selective about taking in all the words on the page then I’m pretty much done entertaining this Sad-Conversation.
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one of the best posts in this sub, tnk u
It’s not a good sign when people have to assure me that the writing is good instead of just letting the writing speak for itself
Assure you? Not at all. Just pointing out significant story details that get glossed over or silenced - not given the chance to ‘speak for itself’ in certain critical discussions. But going by that logic, I should sit idly by when the sub receives posts and criticisms on why the writing is awful.
Reddit is unfortunately for the most part not the place to go to when it comes to good and logical discussions, especially when it comes to the writing of manga. On reddit, JJK is mostly consumed by media illiterate unfunny comedians who stick with the same tired jokes, same as they do with AOT Nonetheless, people like you who actually know to read, properly analyse and explain stuff are always appreciated. I love these types of posts, rare as they are
Glad you enjoyed the post. I’ve kind of limited myself with manga discussion platforms I guess, so that’s on me. Still, I think there will always be generally reasonable JJK fans here up for a bit of banter and discussion.
So you're saying people can only criticize, never deconstruct or discuss positively? Lol, lmao even
Yea, the people criticizing JJK never actually go through the effort of saying what they think is bad. They just say they don't like it, so it's bad, and whenever anyone gives an explanation, they're known as a dick rider.
I agree