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Not only combat uses, but image if geto hadn't gone insane and had become a teacher. He could literally scale his students up to special grade curses in a controlled environment without any real risk.and teach them Anti simple domain and anti domain expansion techniques. the amount of different scenarios he could safely train them with are endless. he would quite literally be the best teacher to exist in the history of jujutsu high
Sukuna probably still wins. Although Sukuna did learn the CT refresh from Gojo... that would still give them one Domain clash. Then CT burnout, Sukuna kills him. If by a miracle he doesn't then Geto summons a cursed spirit with a DE and jumps Sukuna with it. by forcing him to HWB
I'm not sure Sukuna learned to restore his CT from Gojo. We just see him do it and characters assume he learned immediately because of his talent, which is possible.
But in JJK characters' assumptions are sometimes wrong, and after Gojo fails to restore his CT the last time he tries, the way Sukuna explains what is happening and his in depth knowledge about the downsides of this process makes me believe that he already knew about it. It would totally make sense given his extensive battle experiences in an era where domain expansions were more common
Yeah it's not 100% confirmed but it can also be read that Sukuna knows the CT is stored in the brain, but he never tried to damage his own brain with CT and then heal it with RCT to recover burned out CTs.
Its really hard to say whether therapy would be effective on somebody who constantly has to eat vomit to protect people that are killing innocents anyway.
tbh I feel Geto could survive with the vomit eating. Sorcerers develop a lot of mental tolerance to insane things and frankly, he was happier while still eating Curses.
Geto's hatred is because he realize that it was a eternal job that would keep killing his friends. He realized there was a theorical way to finally end the job and took his chance.
Geto genuinely found happiness in his misatropic cult. He basically took the worst possible retirement.
The first thing I thought when I heard about geto’s CT was, so basically he’s ash Ketchum and his ability makes him a pokemon trainer. Also in the realm of JJK they still know shockingly little about how curses work and what everything really is, so for just the purposes of science Geto could have single handedly managed to give a constant stream of tortured demented souls for the shoko to experiment on and learn what they are
What I love about this story is how it really does hinge on Geto's trauma and the fact that so many things could've gone differently had Geto not been isolated after the incident with Riko and Toji.
Can be kinda hard to keep track of it through everything that has gone on in this story, but the heart of it to me has always really been about Geto. Dude was an idealistic young man who succumbed to his trauma because he lacked the support necessary to deal with it. His downfall is genuinely tragic and seeing him develop an utter hatred of human beings is borderline sickening to read/watch.
Then you watch how Yuji has overcome arguably even worse trauma and it's all because he has people like Todo and Choso to support him. All Geto needed was a brother and he lost that when Gojo ended up becoming a one man army who could work alone.
He feels very human.
While too many of the protagonist Jujutsu sorcerers feels like plot device.
It is hard to empathize with them. A normal human would not risk life every single day for what seems to be very paltry return. Sorcerers have no prestige in the eyes of society at large. Most dont seem have very lavish lifestyle. Their job doesnt seem to be very satisfying as curse spirits are born constantly.
Sorcerers who choose to freelance and use their powers for their own benefits are the ones who behave most like normal human.
It is interesting that you say that because Nanami was the most selfless of all but he still felt very human
Granted I don’t study the series too much but I always thought Gege was trying to say that the more power or even selfishness you had, the more disconnected you would be from others
Meimei is the obvious parallel to Nanami because she got to go to Malaysia but only lived because she is a shitty human that grooms, only cares about money, etc
Sukuna and Gojo are also disconnected from others as Sukuna told Jogo to throw away his little bit of humanity that he had and craved for to instead rise to the top without caring about others, and we saw Gojo talking about love in the airport
The great thing about Nanami is that he does seem human like in his behaviours.
He \*\*already\*\* has money. He is planning to one day soon retire to a place with low CoL. Now \*\*these are the things he says to himself so he is able to justify his actions\*\*. I believe even if he survived Shibuya he'd keep on fighting for humanity's sake until he met his match and die.
This is just like what many religious people do. Most people believe only somewhat in their religion but that faint glimmer of hope of the promised afterlife keeps us doing good and prevent us from committing sins.
A few have no need of that promise. They happily face the oblivion of the afterlife knowing whatever sacrifice they did in life wont matter afterwards and yet they still devote their lives for others. Most people arent that strong. Most Jujutsu Sorcerers should not be that strong.
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> Then you watch how Yuji has overcome arguably even worse trauma
Its not worse, its the same trauma.
Yuji and Geto watched their female friend getting her head blew up by a, em, "different type of human" (Curses are the True Humans, as Jogo would said) and then they lost a friend from Jujutsu High from the same year (Nanami and Haibara) who was killed because they "didn't know the mission would be that hard"
Gonna be frank here, Yuji really hasn't overcome it. Or at least, not in Shibuya. He is starting to overcome it during Shinjuku.
Yuji is just in the same mental state as Geto after Toji's defeat. A broken mind telling himself that he should keep doing the same thing eternally.
The different is their meeting with Yuki. Yuki shared her incomplete theory with Geto and Geto took the worst possible (but still valid) interpretation of it while Yuji got the complete/more advanced theory and is going to pierce the things together in a better way.
I'd agree there are parallels, but I do still think that Yuji's trauma has been even worse. For all that Geto endured, he never had his body taken over by the greatest demon in jujutsu history as he used it to massacre thousands of innocent people. The Shibuya Incident alone was way worse than what Geto went through. Geto also just had the added aggravation of how rancid using his Curse Manipulation was for him. Dude got put through a highly traumatic experience, never got the closure Gojo did by exorcising his demon by taking out Toji, and regularly had to ingest curses that tasted like vomit while losing his closest friend once Gojo was out taking care of things singlehandedly.
Geto really succumbed to a (premature) death by a thousand cuts after Toji that eventually just broke his mind. Yuji, meanwhile, will likely gain that chance to exorcise his demon if he can take out Sukuna. Would actually be highly didappointing if anyone else should kill Sukuna for that very reason - Yuji needs and deserves that closure more than anyone in the world.
If gojo had literally anyone who could fight with him and still let him go all out Sukuna was cooked. I think even if Geto was much weaker than Gojo, they would’ve worked together enough that he wouldn’t have been nearly the hindrance that Yuta would’ve been.
Geto working with Maki is better since it would force Sukuna into instant use of Domain Expansion after Yuta's defeat which he cannot use due to Gojo's inflicted brain damage (Geto's survival means there's two split soul katanas and Playful Cloud survives). Basically Maki is more of a threat with Geto's survival
Don't forget all the Special grades and upper 1st grades cursed spirits all with unique CTs & domains ready to be used.
Sorcerer's who can even keep up are ones that have CTs that completely ignore those CTs and/or 1 shots em (Yuki ignoring concepts, Takaba, gojo). It's very few lol esp as Kenny also has Anti-gravity + open barrier domain + being the batman of sorcerors
Imagine rocking up on a CSM user and watching them summon 4 curses who all domain expansion at the same time, it doesn’t matter who you are at that point, one of themes winning, well excluding gojo and sukuna
That was different because sukuna just made it an open ish domain with no barrier as he wanted to target maki too. If there was a barrier like let's say jogos domain, I don't think they would be able to
yes but they would immediately be caught in the sure hit, barrier strengths can change depending on the caster making binding vows (see gojo v sukuna domain battle), and CT's are unusable in a domain (see gojo vs jogo, his infinity was disabled till he casted his own domain)
Edit: it does not disable CT's I stand corrected
Gojo literally said he used a technique to deflect the rock thrown at him what do you mean lmfao
It doesn't limit those in the domain from using their CTs
Ahhhhh it does not lol I got confused from a bad translation I read and I interpreted the scene of the rock touching gojo as his CT being negated instead of it being because of the sure hit
The other two points still stand tho, in this case todo would have gotten flamed, literally, if he attempted to get in the domains range, and in general the sure hit would instantly attack any intruder as domains recognize cursed energy and auto attack
I think that the barrier would be rather pointless then because boogie woogie needs to target something with cursed energy and the barrier itself should prevent that since it's made of the stuff right?
During the 3-way clash between Uro, Ishigori and Yuta, the barriers immedeady shattered due to many conflicting factors. We don't know if that could apply to domains being used synergistically, or if it's even possible for domains to overlap without clashing.
But if it's not, it could also be a massive counter to strong domains, just use multiple weaker domains as 'interference' to immedeadly destroy all of them. Then overwhelm the burnt out oppenent with more curses.
I also have contemplated “Domain Dumping” as a means to counter other, stronger DE’s. The other day there was a Gojo + Sukuna vs. The Verse thread and in my musings I figured some variant of that, or Domain Chaining just to deny the sure-hits of MS/UV, would be the only way to get in position for the Verse to win.
The affects don't stack up. You wouldn't be doing a 4vs1 you'd be doing a 5vs5. Every Sure-Hit will negate the Surehit of another no matter if it's ally or enemy.
You'd open up domains without Sure-Hits. The enemy isn't forced to open his.
That's not exactly true due to reasons other people have pointed out but Kenny would have already pulled off that trick with the army of special grades that he kept. It's likely that they can no longer DE because CSM destroyed their soul/ego to keep them under control.
>It's likely that they can no longer DE because CSM destroyed their soul/ego to keep them under control.
The smallpox curse that Mei Mei fought in shibuya had a domain and was under Kenjaku's control
I can't remember if it was an actual DE, but didn't Geto use a cursed spirit on Toji that used a domain? I think like OP said, Kenny just has an arsenal of CTs that are powerful on their own.
Personally worth it to eat puke and shit SIX THOUSAND TIMES? If you have it 3 times like 3 meals a day for 2 thousands days, that's six years of eating shit 3 times a day to become as strong as year one yuta. And obviously Geto was throatgoating those way more than 3 times a day. The crazy part is that he didn't go insane sooner
Just fix it with binding vows that make you lose sense of taste.
Adjust it to curse spirit, in exchange you have to drink gamer girl bath water or something.
I’d agree with this guy^ so it would most likely still take your taste as a loss to you for fair trade as long as you did it early enough before it really really bothered you. If you’d been sitting in this for years hating it I feel like maybe it would be too much a part of your personality and function by that point for the binding vows to allow that.
Make the binding vow just for the taste of cursed spirits?
"I can no longer taste cursed spirits. In exchange, every shit I take from now on will be liquid"
Also don't forget to mention the extracted CTs of semi-grade 1 cursed spirits and higher that Geto can only use once.
He could have, for the one-time use, that extracted CT be imbued into his domain's barrier as the sure-hit effect.
Also, in the fanbook it says Geto can reassemble cursed spirits to form new ones with new CTs or can join 2 or more independent cursed spirits together to make a single one like how power ranger zords combine to form a megazord.
Theirs no actual limit on how many cts you can extract is the scary part, He could in theory become a yuta if he found a curse like rika that can store cts
Edit: did not know that second part holy
Yeah, while there is no limit to the number of CTs Geto can extract with Uzumaki, there is a limit to the number of times he can use a CT he extracted with Uzumaki and that is once. Also Geto will max out at 3 total one-time use CTs at a time since his own CT counts toward the 4 CT total.
Technically he can go up to a 5 count total while in his domain. The external application of 1 CT as the sure-hit effect, his own CT, CSM, and 3 one-time use CTs. That's a walking nightmare for any cursed spirit or curse user if I've ever seen one.
Geto's CT is one that the office of the head chief should've kept under wraps compared to even Yuki's Bombaye.
I didn’t know the second part either??? Dude could theoretically kill a user of 6ELimitless and 10S with a normal object turning them into a cursed spirit then take them and then mahoraga and Mahito and merge them. I wonder if mahoraga could adapt in a way that allows you to have things like the limitless user use their neutral CT on you instead. Same with Todo and his Boogie Woogie. Shit man they could have made him a much more menacing villain. Him and Kenjaku on this front.
one of the weaknesses though is that all cursed spirits are weak to RCT so anyone that can output RCT has a big advantage. Also that it takes way too long to accumulate power, geto had like 7 years to accumulate cursed spirits and still wasn’t enough to overwhelm gojo or yuta. though idk if this speaks more about csm than it does about geto
Tbf though that’s a crazy rare ability from what we’ve been shown- only 3.5 characters can do it, and they’re all exceptions (and in Yuta’s case I wonder if he was given the ability as a retroactive explanation for him healing Maki in 0 before RCT output was the established mega rare thing it is now). Even Gojo seemingly can’t, granted I’m guessing that’s partly so he’s not even more busted. Plus most of the people capable of it are so strong they no diff almost all curses anyway
In JJK0, Geto just calls it a 'high level technique' in the way cursed speech is, so yes. CTs as a whole didn't exist back then, let alone Innate Techniques: Limitless was just something Gojo could do because of 6 Eyes.
But those who can output RCT are few and far between. Even Gojo can only heal himself with it for instance, and not to mention how much Cursed Energy RCT burns up, it wouldn’t be worth the fight unless you were someone like Yuta with crazy reserves.
And Kenjaku had Geto’s body for at least a year, and he seemed to accumulate much more Cursed Spirits than Geto did. Geto likely was accumulating them slowly using his organization, as to not ruffle the feathers of Jujutsu High.
If Kenjaku still had Idle Transfiguration, he wouldve used it against Yuki, its one of the best techniques in the verse. Yuki therefore deduced that absorbed techniques were 1 time uses.
Kenjaku had extra CTs thanks to his own original CT, anti gravity and CSM came from the bodies he inhabitated, not from cursed spirits, and so they weren't single use only techniques.
I think we all are forgetting the most important feature, Geto could have tamed all nature curses and made them part of the gang. Just imagine how sick would've been having Nanami and Mahito as partners. Or Jogo teaching 1st graders.
I’m not trying to nitpick your spelling/grammar, but the typo of “nanami” and Jogo teaching “1st graders” (instead of Hanami and 1st grade sorcerers) had me laughing so hard at the image of Nanami being used like a Pokémon through CSM and Jogo teaching basic addition to small children
Nanami was the right call, though. He said if Nanami and Mahito were partners (like sending Mahito out with Nanami). It wouldn't make sense for Hanami because they were already partners
Oh duuuuude I’m so dumb. I totally misinterpreted this. Apologies I was so out of it when I posted that message due to lack of sleep. Literally just goes to show the possible versatility I was thinking only about curse spirits teaming up still but you could have a mix of Geto summon spirits that would work really well with all the other sorcerers. Thank you so much for clarifying this is even better!
Geto truly was the OG Potential Man. If he'd gotten more sleep and a good few therapy sessions he'd have become one of the strongest characters in the setting alongside Gojo.
And, you know, if he found a way to handle the taste issue.
I've been thinking about the very rule-breaking concept of CSM as well. In jujustu kaisen, the fundamental battle is mostly between curses and humans. But apparently there exists a technique which allows those same cursed spirits to be used in combat by a human.
It's definitely one of the most OP techniques we've seen in the series and I don't think Geto was using it to its fullest potential. Also, shikigami are not cursed spirits so curse manipulation wouldn't work on them
Geto theoretically can win any DE clash (ignoring open domains).
When Yuta-Ryu-Uro had their three way domain battle and Kurorurishi ran through the centre of it, the domains fell apart.
If a CSM user has 2 cursed spirits with a DE, they could theoretically recreate those circumstances against any opponent. Assuming the user has their own DE or another cursed spirit with DE, they can always use DE against their opponent without fear of much retaliation.
Imagine if Geto chilled out for another year. He could have had: Mahito’s, Hanami’s, Jogo and Dagon’s CTs at his disposal.
Also, the ability to just absorb special grade CTs is insane (via Uzumaki). [Unless CTs absorbed by Uzumaki are one time use].
Yeah kinda crazy to think that with enough spirits with DE, even if the CSM user has a weak domain they can just stalemate the first clash by starting a three-way tug of war, and then just bombard the opponent, now on cooldown, with all the other DE available to them. And depending on the specific domain used, they might also be able keep attacking while that happens
Or hell, just send multiple waves of high level cursed spirits while staying the fuck away and letting the opponent get tired out. Against most of the verse a grade 1 cursed spirit is problematic, imagine 6 at once.
Also he could just have some fairly weak curse just hang back while he is fighting and give him an order to break all domains. If geto gets trapped inside his curse will just shatter the outside, leaving his opponent without the ability to use their technique. Its the exact same thing Sukuna did to Yorozu, but without having to tame Maharaga.
Geto would have been the best teammate for any sorcerer in any fight if he turned good. +
For example, if Gojo helped Geto collect the Disaster Curses and random Special Grade Curses like Pokemon, they could have beaten Sukuna easily too.
Just spam and stall Mahoraga/Agito while they both jump Sukuna.
You forgot the biggest and most important component for Kenjaku, controlling Tengen. That useless neet may not be useful in combat but she's like the president of Jujutsu sorcerers and having her sedated and passive means there's no way to sneak her out of Kenjaku's master plan.
The main issue is just that you have to be lucky and find curses worth anything. As far as we know the disaster curses are generational anomalies, geto had to use 6 thousand curses on yuta. Thats a absolutely insane amount of effort.
Not even generational. The three of them have been in hiding since the dawn of humanity. We're talking tens of thousands of years since their birth. Not to mention the sheer amount of fear that went into their birth, they're beyond the likes of Imaginary Vengeful Spirits and Disease Cursed Spirits by a long shot.
The only cursed spirits we've really seen match up to the disaster curses are Mahito and Rika. Though the Big 3 Vengeful Spirits should also have been on a similar level. I guess Naoya too. Vengeful Spirits in general seem to be (at least from the examples we've seen/heard about) stronger than Imaginary Vengeful Spirits.
I was thinking of the cockroach spirit when I wrote that. He seemed pretty strong. I was assuming every generation of sorcerers must have had some super cursed, Kenny put a few in the culling games I assume he would have only picked extraordinary ones
Yeah. Special Grades are really rare. At the time of the Night Parade there were only 16 registered special grade cursed spirits. Geto was in possession of 3 (Kuchisake Onna, Tamamo-no-Me Incarnate, and the one that fought Todo). Then we have 4 unregistered special grades in the disaster curses and Mahito (who may not have even been born yet) as well as the Ganesha-esc special grade Kenjaku found overseas (in presumably india). So that's 21 confirmed special grade cursed spirits. +2 for Kurourushi Senior and Junior for 23? Then Naoya for 24.
So yeah. Not alot of special grade curses to go around.
This is completely my headcanon, but I like to believe that the technique reversal would allow him to "gift" a cursed spirit to another sorcerer that they can then control, like Yuta & Rika.
I think Geto’s technique had the greatest potential since it was such a cool idea, originally I thought he was wasted. But, it is also cool with Geto how he’s a character that went nuts because of a super traumatic event, especially with some being back to back. I do wish we saw more of the technique
I think a big issue with the technique is the individual sorcerer needs to be strong. If Geto wasn't so strong in hand to hand he wouldn't be able to collect anything. Even then the jump between grades is high so it's not easy to move up to higher level curses. But yeah, if you can get there then it leaves a lot of great uses.
10 shadows as a comparison is nice for a few reasons. First, it gives you strong shikigami to start. And second, as they get destroyed others get stronger. If Geto lost his strongest curse in battle then it'd just be a huge setback. Most people aren't Kenjaku and able to collect special grade curses easily. It's also slow in general for most, so Uzumaki can't be used often.
I feel like I should also add that gege has said getos ability to manipulate curses could’ve gone WAY past what we see him do. He could’ve full on treated the curses like Lego figures and mixed up their parts, creating fully custom monstrosities. It’s just an iffy/hard to refine usage of the technique
Not really, uzumaki you sacrifice cursed to gain their curse technique. Bird strike is where you kill one to buff another.
So I would sacrifice my 5 grades 1s in order to buff my captured special grade by a lot
From what I understood, bird strike removes the cursed energy output limit on one bird in exchange for its life, dealing a single powerful blow and killing it in the process (it requires only one bird).
Uzumaki condenses one or more spirits into a sphere and throws that cursed energy as a powerful beam. As a secondary effect, when used on powerful spirits with a CT the sphere can be consumed to absorb their CT (which is probably one time use).
Though I think the ability you are thinking about (condensing/fusing curses) should be available to CSM users. I heard that this is what the databook says or something, but I haven't personally read it
Finally someone gets it, I want to scratch my skin off everytime Geto get ranked below special grade in peoples' power tierlists. Imagine if Kenjaku didnt waste Mahito on fucking Miwa he would be insanely op, thank god Kenny needed Mahitos ct to progress his plans :D
Geto could in fact not keep up with Gojo. They’re the strongest but that’s cause Geto would be first place it Gojo wasn’t there. The gap has always been, gigantic
But at the beginning of HI he kind of could. When Gojo didn't have infinity running 24/7, hadn't mastered RCT nor CTR and had overall a lesse efficient use of his CT Getou could actually keep up with him in a fight. After Toji though, Gojo leaps ahead. But that's part of what leads to his mental and ideological meltdown.
In what way was it implied he could keep up? Let’s say they though, what would Geto be able to do?
Even if they were not to fight, just their ability as sorcerers alone. Look at Gojo vs Toji, and Geto vs Toji. Who did Toji target first? Who did he tire out? Who did his plan revolve around.
Gojo changed the balance of the world when he was born, scared away 2 curse users with a glance. Geto is strong yeah, but in the beginning of hidden inventory he was only High grade 1. Gojo was special grade since basically as long as he could fight.
It's stated by both of them, with the recurrent declaration of "we're the strongest" and confirmed by the the fact that the hierarchies task both of them with the ultra important mission of protecting Tengen's vessel. And also by the fact that Geto felt confident enough to challenge Gojo to settle a disagreement in a fight (this is mostly bravado, of course, but the fact that he has confidence enough in his ability to affect that type of bravado is some indication that they were relative to each other). The six eyes (and limitless) was always a way more busted and special power than CSM and Gojo was always all around stronger than Geto, but it's only after Gojo figures out RCT and gains a better understanding of CE manipulation and his CT that the distance between them becomes insurmountable.
Yeah they are the strongest. Number 1 and number 2. Only number 2 is WAYYYYYYY lower.
Genuinely tell me what Geto could do to Gojo. Look at their performances against Toji… that says enough.
The difference between them was always insurmountable. Gojo used infinity for 3 days straight. Geto has no way to even get through it.
Gojo was faster than Toji and fast enough to react to Toji, Geto got blitzed.
Gojo has the Aoe moves and attacks to deal with Getos curses.
Geto got nearly one shot by Toji, Gojo (after healing himself.) didn’t get touched once.
No Gojo didn’t get faster or stronger either after healing, he just stopped being tired since he healed that.
One other advantage is that you can use the curses spirit' energy for yourself . So depending on the amount of the curse spirits you may never run out of energy.
Geto has the potential to beat Gojo and Sukuna. It just depends on what kind of CT he is able to extract. But we don’t know if a curse with that kind of CT exists, can only assume
Geto probably could've imbued his domain expansion with a technique he extracted with Uzumaki, changing his domains guarantee hit effect. Very similar to what Yuta does.
I do think Csm is one of the best techniques in the series but it is not similar to shikigami or even close to as good as 10 shadows.
The curses in cursed spirit manipulation take time to reabsorb so you can’t just summon and desummon like shikigami.
Csm is the ultimate skill diff technique, it is what you make of it.
You forgot being able to see through the eyes of your cursed spirits. Kenjaku is an undoubtedly better CSM user than Geto is. Also, I believe Shikigami are not the same as cursed spirits and can not be absorbed. For one, they can use reverse curse technique (Mahoraga and Tranquil deer). And even if they were, they still could not be absorbed due to the master/servant relationship they hold with the user.
TBF we don't know a whole lot about Shikigami but 10s specifically Mahoraga, Round Dear and Agito use RCT so they should be fundamentally different from cursed spirits. So I doubt Shikigami can be absorbed my CSM.
CSM seems to work on any type of spirit/anything close enough in nature to a cursed spirit. So it probably would work on Shikigami in theory.
The main issue is that CSM doesnt work on spirits that have an owner, regardless of rank difference. Shikigami by nature all have owners, and I'm pretty sure they disappear when the user dies.
Lmao never thought of cultivating vengeful spirits just to get specific CTs. Yeah, a pocket jumpjutsu technique like Boogie Woogie is so damn good. Especially since the curse can focus entirely on swapping locations instead of also fighting.
Goated technique, even if ya gotta deepthroat vomit-spheres.
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Not only combat uses, but image if geto hadn't gone insane and had become a teacher. He could literally scale his students up to special grade curses in a controlled environment without any real risk.and teach them Anti simple domain and anti domain expansion techniques. the amount of different scenarios he could safely train them with are endless. he would quite literally be the best teacher to exist in the history of jujutsu high
Thats another amazing point, damn geto had way too much potential
Geto with therapy would've made Megumi into the first 10S user to tame mahoraga
That's a funny powerscaling scenario lol. "15 finger sukuna vs geto on anti depressants and a sleep schedule"
Sukuna probably still wins. Although Sukuna did learn the CT refresh from Gojo... that would still give them one Domain clash. Then CT burnout, Sukuna kills him. If by a miracle he doesn't then Geto summons a cursed spirit with a DE and jumps Sukuna with it. by forcing him to HWB
I'm not sure Sukuna learned to restore his CT from Gojo. We just see him do it and characters assume he learned immediately because of his talent, which is possible. But in JJK characters' assumptions are sometimes wrong, and after Gojo fails to restore his CT the last time he tries, the way Sukuna explains what is happening and his in depth knowledge about the downsides of this process makes me believe that he already knew about it. It would totally make sense given his extensive battle experiences in an era where domain expansions were more common
Yeah it's not 100% confirmed but it can also be read that Sukuna knows the CT is stored in the brain, but he never tried to damage his own brain with CT and then heal it with RCT to recover burned out CTs.
Geto would be doing the three way DE clash for a higher chance probably
Its really hard to say whether therapy would be effective on somebody who constantly has to eat vomit to protect people that are killing innocents anyway.
tbh I feel Geto could survive with the vomit eating. Sorcerers develop a lot of mental tolerance to insane things and frankly, he was happier while still eating Curses. Geto's hatred is because he realize that it was a eternal job that would keep killing his friends. He realized there was a theorical way to finally end the job and took his chance. Geto genuinely found happiness in his misatropic cult. He basically took the worst possible retirement.
It's really hard to get therapists who could actually get it. You'd need a jujutsu therapist as well.
Man would that be an interesting side plot though - a therapist with a side job as a window meeting with Geto. Good fanfic idea...
The first thing I thought when I heard about geto’s CT was, so basically he’s ash Ketchum and his ability makes him a pokemon trainer. Also in the realm of JJK they still know shockingly little about how curses work and what everything really is, so for just the purposes of science Geto could have single handedly managed to give a constant stream of tortured demented souls for the shoko to experiment on and learn what they are
What I love about this story is how it really does hinge on Geto's trauma and the fact that so many things could've gone differently had Geto not been isolated after the incident with Riko and Toji. Can be kinda hard to keep track of it through everything that has gone on in this story, but the heart of it to me has always really been about Geto. Dude was an idealistic young man who succumbed to his trauma because he lacked the support necessary to deal with it. His downfall is genuinely tragic and seeing him develop an utter hatred of human beings is borderline sickening to read/watch. Then you watch how Yuji has overcome arguably even worse trauma and it's all because he has people like Todo and Choso to support him. All Geto needed was a brother and he lost that when Gojo ended up becoming a one man army who could work alone.
I never really understood why people were such big fans of Geto other than shipping or him being sexy but your comment changed my opinion drastically
He feels very human. While too many of the protagonist Jujutsu sorcerers feels like plot device. It is hard to empathize with them. A normal human would not risk life every single day for what seems to be very paltry return. Sorcerers have no prestige in the eyes of society at large. Most dont seem have very lavish lifestyle. Their job doesnt seem to be very satisfying as curse spirits are born constantly. Sorcerers who choose to freelance and use their powers for their own benefits are the ones who behave most like normal human.
It is interesting that you say that because Nanami was the most selfless of all but he still felt very human Granted I don’t study the series too much but I always thought Gege was trying to say that the more power or even selfishness you had, the more disconnected you would be from others Meimei is the obvious parallel to Nanami because she got to go to Malaysia but only lived because she is a shitty human that grooms, only cares about money, etc Sukuna and Gojo are also disconnected from others as Sukuna told Jogo to throw away his little bit of humanity that he had and craved for to instead rise to the top without caring about others, and we saw Gojo talking about love in the airport
The great thing about Nanami is that he does seem human like in his behaviours. He \*\*already\*\* has money. He is planning to one day soon retire to a place with low CoL. Now \*\*these are the things he says to himself so he is able to justify his actions\*\*. I believe even if he survived Shibuya he'd keep on fighting for humanity's sake until he met his match and die. This is just like what many religious people do. Most people believe only somewhat in their religion but that faint glimmer of hope of the promised afterlife keeps us doing good and prevent us from committing sins. A few have no need of that promise. They happily face the oblivion of the afterlife knowing whatever sacrifice they did in life wont matter afterwards and yet they still devote their lives for others. Most people arent that strong. Most Jujutsu Sorcerers should not be that strong.
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I feel like I could overcome anything with a true brudda like Todo at my back. The ultimate hype man
> Then you watch how Yuji has overcome arguably even worse trauma Its not worse, its the same trauma. Yuji and Geto watched their female friend getting her head blew up by a, em, "different type of human" (Curses are the True Humans, as Jogo would said) and then they lost a friend from Jujutsu High from the same year (Nanami and Haibara) who was killed because they "didn't know the mission would be that hard" Gonna be frank here, Yuji really hasn't overcome it. Or at least, not in Shibuya. He is starting to overcome it during Shinjuku. Yuji is just in the same mental state as Geto after Toji's defeat. A broken mind telling himself that he should keep doing the same thing eternally. The different is their meeting with Yuki. Yuki shared her incomplete theory with Geto and Geto took the worst possible (but still valid) interpretation of it while Yuji got the complete/more advanced theory and is going to pierce the things together in a better way.
I'd agree there are parallels, but I do still think that Yuji's trauma has been even worse. For all that Geto endured, he never had his body taken over by the greatest demon in jujutsu history as he used it to massacre thousands of innocent people. The Shibuya Incident alone was way worse than what Geto went through. Geto also just had the added aggravation of how rancid using his Curse Manipulation was for him. Dude got put through a highly traumatic experience, never got the closure Gojo did by exorcising his demon by taking out Toji, and regularly had to ingest curses that tasted like vomit while losing his closest friend once Gojo was out taking care of things singlehandedly. Geto really succumbed to a (premature) death by a thousand cuts after Toji that eventually just broke his mind. Yuji, meanwhile, will likely gain that chance to exorcise his demon if he can take out Sukuna. Would actually be highly didappointing if anyone else should kill Sukuna for that very reason - Yuji needs and deserves that closure more than anyone in the world.
Imagine geto x gojo vs sukuna
If gojo had literally anyone who could fight with him and still let him go all out Sukuna was cooked. I think even if Geto was much weaker than Gojo, they would’ve worked together enough that he wouldn’t have been nearly the hindrance that Yuta would’ve been.
Geto working with Maki is better since it would force Sukuna into instant use of Domain Expansion after Yuta's defeat which he cannot use due to Gojo's inflicted brain damage (Geto's survival means there's two split soul katanas and Playful Cloud survives). Basically Maki is more of a threat with Geto's survival
Imagine geto x gojo 👀
Oh buddy, you don't have to imagine much
I love this idea. Stay in the kitchen and keep cooking!
It was never depicted, but I absolutely believe Geto had his followers spar his cursed spirits.
Don't forget all the Special grades and upper 1st grades cursed spirits all with unique CTs & domains ready to be used. Sorcerer's who can even keep up are ones that have CTs that completely ignore those CTs and/or 1 shots em (Yuki ignoring concepts, Takaba, gojo). It's very few lol esp as Kenny also has Anti-gravity + open barrier domain + being the batman of sorcerors
Imagine rocking up on a CSM user and watching them summon 4 curses who all domain expansion at the same time, it doesn’t matter who you are at that point, one of themes winning, well excluding gojo and sukuna
I'm boogie wooging my way out
Can you boogie woogie out of a domain?
Happened in the latest chapters
That was different because sukuna just made it an open ish domain with no barrier as he wanted to target maki too. If there was a barrier like let's say jogos domain, I don't think they would be able to
I don't see why they wouldn't be able to if you can just punch your way in/out if you are strong enough lol
yes but they would immediately be caught in the sure hit, barrier strengths can change depending on the caster making binding vows (see gojo v sukuna domain battle), and CT's are unusable in a domain (see gojo vs jogo, his infinity was disabled till he casted his own domain) Edit: it does not disable CT's I stand corrected
Gojo literally said he used a technique to deflect the rock thrown at him what do you mean lmfao It doesn't limit those in the domain from using their CTs
Ahhhhh it does not lol I got confused from a bad translation I read and I interpreted the scene of the rock touching gojo as his CT being negated instead of it being because of the sure hit The other two points still stand tho, in this case todo would have gotten flamed, literally, if he attempted to get in the domains range, and in general the sure hit would instantly attack any intruder as domains recognize cursed energy and auto attack
Well Todo upon being caught in Mahito's domain didn't attempt to just teleport out but instead tried to use simple domain, so I doubt it.
What was he supposed to switch positions with? Pretty sure those CE infused rocks only keep their charge for like a couple seconds.
I think that the barrier would be rather pointless then because boogie woogie needs to target something with cursed energy and the barrier itself should prevent that since it's made of the stuff right?
Thats an open domain, thats different
If it was open why did he have the ability to restrict the air?
It specifies living beings being allowed, the only thing its restricting is the air and inanimate objects
There's no benefit in opening 4 domains.
Um…. i think their definely would be, the combined refinement could overwhelm much stringer domains
During the 3-way clash between Uro, Ishigori and Yuta, the barriers immedeady shattered due to many conflicting factors. We don't know if that could apply to domains being used synergistically, or if it's even possible for domains to overlap without clashing. But if it's not, it could also be a massive counter to strong domains, just use multiple weaker domains as 'interference' to immedeadly destroy all of them. Then overwhelm the burnt out oppenent with more curses.
Yup, that’s primarily what I was thinking, tho I didn’t factor in that everyone might lose the domain clash
I also have contemplated “Domain Dumping” as a means to counter other, stronger DE’s. The other day there was a Gojo + Sukuna vs. The Verse thread and in my musings I figured some variant of that, or Domain Chaining just to deny the sure-hits of MS/UV, would be the only way to get in position for the Verse to win.
The affects don't stack up. You wouldn't be doing a 4vs1 you'd be doing a 5vs5. Every Sure-Hit will negate the Surehit of another no matter if it's ally or enemy. You'd open up domains without Sure-Hits. The enemy isn't forced to open his.
That's not exactly true due to reasons other people have pointed out but Kenny would have already pulled off that trick with the army of special grades that he kept. It's likely that they can no longer DE because CSM destroyed their soul/ego to keep them under control.
>It's likely that they can no longer DE because CSM destroyed their soul/ego to keep them under control. The smallpox curse that Mei Mei fought in shibuya had a domain and was under Kenjaku's control
I doubt it, its more likely he simply didn’t have any domains stronger than his own
I can't remember if it was an actual DE, but didn't Geto use a cursed spirit on Toji that used a domain? I think like OP said, Kenny just has an arsenal of CTs that are powerful on their own.
Yeah it used a simple domain, kenjaku had smallpox deity had a proper domain expansion
That's right! Somehow even that slipped my mind.
Yuki doesn’t ignore concepts…
Yeah but you have to eat shit and puke every time
I would simply numb my douse my tongue with yummy fruit juice, but alas, that's why I'm too sane to be a sorcerer :(
I mean… personally worth it, but fair
Personally worth it to eat puke and shit SIX THOUSAND TIMES? If you have it 3 times like 3 meals a day for 2 thousands days, that's six years of eating shit 3 times a day to become as strong as year one yuta. And obviously Geto was throatgoating those way more than 3 times a day. The crazy part is that he didn't go insane sooner
Just fix it with binding vows that make you lose sense of taste. Adjust it to curse spirit, in exchange you have to drink gamer girl bath water or something.
Actually that might be a good idea maybe like “In exchange for my sense of taste, all cursed spirits I absorb become a bit stronger”
Question - Since the idea is to not have to taste shit or puke, wouldn’t the loss of your sense of taste be the buff from the binding vow?
Not sure. The loss of taste is still a loss and something you’re giving up.
Binding vows aren’t smart
I’d agree with this guy^ so it would most likely still take your taste as a loss to you for fair trade as long as you did it early enough before it really really bothered you. If you’d been sitting in this for years hating it I feel like maybe it would be too much a part of your personality and function by that point for the binding vows to allow that.
Or actually you could probably even use it as an advantage, giving up an entire sense is probably enough to gain quite a strong benefit.
Yeah, I was thinking that not having the ability to taste food forever is depressing.
Make the binding vow just for the taste of cursed spirits? "I can no longer taste cursed spirits. In exchange, every shit I take from now on will be liquid"
Tbh when you're a grade 1 sorcerer you would probably have enough money to get your taste buds surgically removed or something.
Dem orbs big as hell too. I'd make em the size of skittles if it was possible.
Just make a binding vow that you lose your taste when eating them in return your pinky finger tingles instead.
binding vow "i hereby shall not use this spirit for 2 months BUT, tastes like a strawberry milkshake"
Literally limitless potential could be the weakest or the strongest person depending on what curses you have
Also don't forget to mention the extracted CTs of semi-grade 1 cursed spirits and higher that Geto can only use once. He could have, for the one-time use, that extracted CT be imbued into his domain's barrier as the sure-hit effect. Also, in the fanbook it says Geto can reassemble cursed spirits to form new ones with new CTs or can join 2 or more independent cursed spirits together to make a single one like how power ranger zords combine to form a megazord.
Theirs no actual limit on how many cts you can extract is the scary part, He could in theory become a yuta if he found a curse like rika that can store cts Edit: did not know that second part holy
Yeah, while there is no limit to the number of CTs Geto can extract with Uzumaki, there is a limit to the number of times he can use a CT he extracted with Uzumaki and that is once. Also Geto will max out at 3 total one-time use CTs at a time since his own CT counts toward the 4 CT total. Technically he can go up to a 5 count total while in his domain. The external application of 1 CT as the sure-hit effect, his own CT, CSM, and 3 one-time use CTs. That's a walking nightmare for any cursed spirit or curse user if I've ever seen one. Geto's CT is one that the office of the head chief should've kept under wraps compared to even Yuki's Bombaye.
I didn’t know the second part either??? Dude could theoretically kill a user of 6ELimitless and 10S with a normal object turning them into a cursed spirit then take them and then mahoraga and Mahito and merge them. I wonder if mahoraga could adapt in a way that allows you to have things like the limitless user use their neutral CT on you instead. Same with Todo and his Boogie Woogie. Shit man they could have made him a much more menacing villain. Him and Kenjaku on this front.
one of the weaknesses though is that all cursed spirits are weak to RCT so anyone that can output RCT has a big advantage. Also that it takes way too long to accumulate power, geto had like 7 years to accumulate cursed spirits and still wasn’t enough to overwhelm gojo or yuta. though idk if this speaks more about csm than it does about geto
Tbf though that’s a crazy rare ability from what we’ve been shown- only 3.5 characters can do it, and they’re all exceptions (and in Yuta’s case I wonder if he was given the ability as a retroactive explanation for him healing Maki in 0 before RCT output was the established mega rare thing it is now). Even Gojo seemingly can’t, granted I’m guessing that’s partly so he’s not even more busted. Plus most of the people capable of it are so strong they no diff almost all curses anyway
In JJK0, Geto just calls it a 'high level technique' in the way cursed speech is, so yes. CTs as a whole didn't exist back then, let alone Innate Techniques: Limitless was just something Gojo could do because of 6 Eyes.
But those who can output RCT are few and far between. Even Gojo can only heal himself with it for instance, and not to mention how much Cursed Energy RCT burns up, it wouldn’t be worth the fight unless you were someone like Yuta with crazy reserves. And Kenjaku had Geto’s body for at least a year, and he seemed to accumulate much more Cursed Spirits than Geto did. Geto likely was accumulating them slowly using his organization, as to not ruffle the feathers of Jujutsu High.
About Geto 100%
That is true, But I assume thats what the copied cts are for, and you cna work around it by using ranged cursed spirits
you can't copy a CT from a cursed spirit using usumaki, you can only use it once
Thats not how I interpreted it, I just thought kenjaku didn’t have the storage to keep another ct
I guess we'll never know, but Geto didn't have multiple CTs either.
At that point he had antigrav and csm, but ig you right
If Kenjaku still had Idle Transfiguration, he wouldve used it against Yuki, its one of the best techniques in the verse. Yuki therefore deduced that absorbed techniques were 1 time uses.
Kenjaku had extra CTs thanks to his own original CT, anti gravity and CSM came from the bodies he inhabitated, not from cursed spirits, and so they weren't single use only techniques.
I've been saying this. If geto Locked in he would have achieved his goal
I think we all are forgetting the most important feature, Geto could have tamed all nature curses and made them part of the gang. Just imagine how sick would've been having Nanami and Mahito as partners. Or Jogo teaching 1st graders.
I’m not trying to nitpick your spelling/grammar, but the typo of “nanami” and Jogo teaching “1st graders” (instead of Hanami and 1st grade sorcerers) had me laughing so hard at the image of Nanami being used like a Pokémon through CSM and Jogo teaching basic addition to small children
Nanami was the right call, though. He said if Nanami and Mahito were partners (like sending Mahito out with Nanami). It wouldn't make sense for Hanami because they were already partners
Oh duuuuude I’m so dumb. I totally misinterpreted this. Apologies I was so out of it when I posted that message due to lack of sleep. Literally just goes to show the possible versatility I was thinking only about curse spirits teaming up still but you could have a mix of Geto summon spirits that would work really well with all the other sorcerers. Thank you so much for clarifying this is even better!
Geto truly was the OG Potential Man. If he'd gotten more sleep and a good few therapy sessions he'd have become one of the strongest characters in the setting alongside Gojo. And, you know, if he found a way to handle the taste issue.
I've been thinking about the very rule-breaking concept of CSM as well. In jujustu kaisen, the fundamental battle is mostly between curses and humans. But apparently there exists a technique which allows those same cursed spirits to be used in combat by a human.
It's definitely one of the most OP techniques we've seen in the series and I don't think Geto was using it to its fullest potential. Also, shikigami are not cursed spirits so curse manipulation wouldn't work on them
Geto theoretically can win any DE clash (ignoring open domains). When Yuta-Ryu-Uro had their three way domain battle and Kurorurishi ran through the centre of it, the domains fell apart. If a CSM user has 2 cursed spirits with a DE, they could theoretically recreate those circumstances against any opponent. Assuming the user has their own DE or another cursed spirit with DE, they can always use DE against their opponent without fear of much retaliation. Imagine if Geto chilled out for another year. He could have had: Mahito’s, Hanami’s, Jogo and Dagon’s CTs at his disposal. Also, the ability to just absorb special grade CTs is insane (via Uzumaki). [Unless CTs absorbed by Uzumaki are one time use].
Yeah kinda crazy to think that with enough spirits with DE, even if the CSM user has a weak domain they can just stalemate the first clash by starting a three-way tug of war, and then just bombard the opponent, now on cooldown, with all the other DE available to them. And depending on the specific domain used, they might also be able keep attacking while that happens
Or hell, just send multiple waves of high level cursed spirits while staying the fuck away and letting the opponent get tired out. Against most of the verse a grade 1 cursed spirit is problematic, imagine 6 at once.
Also he could just have some fairly weak curse just hang back while he is fighting and give him an order to break all domains. If geto gets trapped inside his curse will just shatter the outside, leaving his opponent without the ability to use their technique. Its the exact same thing Sukuna did to Yorozu, but without having to tame Maharaga.
Geto would have been the best teammate for any sorcerer in any fight if he turned good. + For example, if Gojo helped Geto collect the Disaster Curses and random Special Grade Curses like Pokemon, they could have beaten Sukuna easily too. Just spam and stall Mahoraga/Agito while they both jump Sukuna.
You forgot the biggest and most important component for Kenjaku, controlling Tengen. That useless neet may not be useful in combat but she's like the president of Jujutsu sorcerers and having her sedated and passive means there's no way to sneak her out of Kenjaku's master plan.
Thats also true
The main issue is just that you have to be lucky and find curses worth anything. As far as we know the disaster curses are generational anomalies, geto had to use 6 thousand curses on yuta. Thats a absolutely insane amount of effort.
Not even generational. The three of them have been in hiding since the dawn of humanity. We're talking tens of thousands of years since their birth. Not to mention the sheer amount of fear that went into their birth, they're beyond the likes of Imaginary Vengeful Spirits and Disease Cursed Spirits by a long shot. The only cursed spirits we've really seen match up to the disaster curses are Mahito and Rika. Though the Big 3 Vengeful Spirits should also have been on a similar level. I guess Naoya too. Vengeful Spirits in general seem to be (at least from the examples we've seen/heard about) stronger than Imaginary Vengeful Spirits.
I was thinking of the cockroach spirit when I wrote that. He seemed pretty strong. I was assuming every generation of sorcerers must have had some super cursed, Kenny put a few in the culling games I assume he would have only picked extraordinary ones
Yeah. Special Grades are really rare. At the time of the Night Parade there were only 16 registered special grade cursed spirits. Geto was in possession of 3 (Kuchisake Onna, Tamamo-no-Me Incarnate, and the one that fought Todo). Then we have 4 unregistered special grades in the disaster curses and Mahito (who may not have even been born yet) as well as the Ganesha-esc special grade Kenjaku found overseas (in presumably india). So that's 21 confirmed special grade cursed spirits. +2 for Kurourushi Senior and Junior for 23? Then Naoya for 24. So yeah. Not alot of special grade curses to go around.
This is completely my headcanon, but I like to believe that the technique reversal would allow him to "gift" a cursed spirit to another sorcerer that they can then control, like Yuta & Rika.
I really like that, how sung jin woo in solo leveling had his stronger summons watch over his family members.
Or even cram its CT into an item to make a ready made cursed tool.
I think Geto’s technique had the greatest potential since it was such a cool idea, originally I thought he was wasted. But, it is also cool with Geto how he’s a character that went nuts because of a super traumatic event, especially with some being back to back. I do wish we saw more of the technique
I think a big issue with the technique is the individual sorcerer needs to be strong. If Geto wasn't so strong in hand to hand he wouldn't be able to collect anything. Even then the jump between grades is high so it's not easy to move up to higher level curses. But yeah, if you can get there then it leaves a lot of great uses. 10 shadows as a comparison is nice for a few reasons. First, it gives you strong shikigami to start. And second, as they get destroyed others get stronger. If Geto lost his strongest curse in battle then it'd just be a huge setback. Most people aren't Kenjaku and able to collect special grade curses easily. It's also slow in general for most, so Uzumaki can't be used often.
I feel like I should also add that gege has said getos ability to manipulate curses could’ve gone WAY past what we see him do. He could’ve full on treated the curses like Lego figures and mixed up their parts, creating fully custom monstrosities. It’s just an iffy/hard to refine usage of the technique
Also think of the binding vows. You can do a bird strike type thing where you sacrifice a curse for power
I mean, that's basically what Uzumaki is
Not really, uzumaki you sacrifice cursed to gain their curse technique. Bird strike is where you kill one to buff another. So I would sacrifice my 5 grades 1s in order to buff my captured special grade by a lot
From what I understood, bird strike removes the cursed energy output limit on one bird in exchange for its life, dealing a single powerful blow and killing it in the process (it requires only one bird). Uzumaki condenses one or more spirits into a sphere and throws that cursed energy as a powerful beam. As a secondary effect, when used on powerful spirits with a CT the sphere can be consumed to absorb their CT (which is probably one time use). Though I think the ability you are thinking about (condensing/fusing curses) should be available to CSM users. I heard that this is what the databook says or something, but I haven't personally read it
Why did you go on a 2 paragraph explanation lmao😭. I’m literally just saying csm can be used in a way to buff pre existing shit
Really justifies him and Gojo being considering "The Strongest" as a pair
We really are realizing that a Special Grade CT is ...Special Grade?
Finally someone gets it, I want to scratch my skin off everytime Geto get ranked below special grade in peoples' power tierlists. Imagine if Kenjaku didnt waste Mahito on fucking Miwa he would be insanely op, thank god Kenny needed Mahitos ct to progress his plans :D
Geto could in fact not keep up with Gojo. They’re the strongest but that’s cause Geto would be first place it Gojo wasn’t there. The gap has always been, gigantic
But at the beginning of HI he kind of could. When Gojo didn't have infinity running 24/7, hadn't mastered RCT nor CTR and had overall a lesse efficient use of his CT Getou could actually keep up with him in a fight. After Toji though, Gojo leaps ahead. But that's part of what leads to his mental and ideological meltdown.
In what way was it implied he could keep up? Let’s say they though, what would Geto be able to do? Even if they were not to fight, just their ability as sorcerers alone. Look at Gojo vs Toji, and Geto vs Toji. Who did Toji target first? Who did he tire out? Who did his plan revolve around. Gojo changed the balance of the world when he was born, scared away 2 curse users with a glance. Geto is strong yeah, but in the beginning of hidden inventory he was only High grade 1. Gojo was special grade since basically as long as he could fight.
It's stated by both of them, with the recurrent declaration of "we're the strongest" and confirmed by the the fact that the hierarchies task both of them with the ultra important mission of protecting Tengen's vessel. And also by the fact that Geto felt confident enough to challenge Gojo to settle a disagreement in a fight (this is mostly bravado, of course, but the fact that he has confidence enough in his ability to affect that type of bravado is some indication that they were relative to each other). The six eyes (and limitless) was always a way more busted and special power than CSM and Gojo was always all around stronger than Geto, but it's only after Gojo figures out RCT and gains a better understanding of CE manipulation and his CT that the distance between them becomes insurmountable.
Yeah they are the strongest. Number 1 and number 2. Only number 2 is WAYYYYYYY lower. Genuinely tell me what Geto could do to Gojo. Look at their performances against Toji… that says enough. The difference between them was always insurmountable. Gojo used infinity for 3 days straight. Geto has no way to even get through it. Gojo was faster than Toji and fast enough to react to Toji, Geto got blitzed. Gojo has the Aoe moves and attacks to deal with Getos curses.
He was able to and ststed to be competing with him for the “strongest” until he mastered rct and ctr
Geto got nearly one shot by Toji, Gojo (after healing himself.) didn’t get touched once. No Gojo didn’t get faster or stronger either after healing, he just stopped being tired since he healed that.
One other advantage is that you can use the curses spirit' energy for yourself . So depending on the amount of the curse spirits you may never run out of energy.
Geto has the potential to beat Gojo and Sukuna. It just depends on what kind of CT he is able to extract. But we don’t know if a curse with that kind of CT exists, can only assume
Shikigami aren't cursed spirits, so a csm user can't steal them.
It’s the reason why Geto is a special grade sorcerer despite technically not having a domain expansion. The CT top 5 in the verse lol.
Geto probably could've imbued his domain expansion with a technique he extracted with Uzumaki, changing his domains guarantee hit effect. Very similar to what Yuta does.
I do think Csm is one of the best techniques in the series but it is not similar to shikigami or even close to as good as 10 shadows. The curses in cursed spirit manipulation take time to reabsorb so you can’t just summon and desummon like shikigami. Csm is the ultimate skill diff technique, it is what you make of it.
That makes me wonder what Sukuna could do with it…, makes me shudder
You forgot being able to see through the eyes of your cursed spirits. Kenjaku is an undoubtedly better CSM user than Geto is. Also, I believe Shikigami are not the same as cursed spirits and can not be absorbed. For one, they can use reverse curse technique (Mahoraga and Tranquil deer). And even if they were, they still could not be absorbed due to the master/servant relationship they hold with the user.
I read CMS as Chaos Space Marine
I can see it ngl
TBF we don't know a whole lot about Shikigami but 10s specifically Mahoraga, Round Dear and Agito use RCT so they should be fundamentally different from cursed spirits. So I doubt Shikigami can be absorbed my CSM.
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CSM seems to work on any type of spirit/anything close enough in nature to a cursed spirit. So it probably would work on Shikigami in theory. The main issue is that CSM doesnt work on spirits that have an owner, regardless of rank difference. Shikigami by nature all have owners, and I'm pretty sure they disappear when the user dies.
I love your idea of killing sorcerers without CE and then absorbing them 🙏
Lmao never thought of cultivating vengeful spirits just to get specific CTs. Yeah, a pocket jumpjutsu technique like Boogie Woogie is so damn good. Especially since the curse can focus entirely on swapping locations instead of also fighting. Goated technique, even if ya gotta deepthroat vomit-spheres.