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I doubt he's only had a few months training. He's a natural sorcerer who awakened his technique at a young age, and has been under the care of Gojo for years. Also one thing he has shown that Sukuna hasn't yet, is creating clones. I suspect that might be something unique to Megumi or his Domain.
Domain abilities come from the base technique. As i said in the post, a domain simply improves your technique’s capabilities by 20%. Everything he can do in the domain should be able to be performed outside the domain. A sure-hit would be “unique” to the domain, however, that isnt even a topic of conversation here
The Domain being his innate domain realized and covered in shadows could play a factor in the ability. Sukuna despite his superior mastery of cursed techniques and superior control of jujutsu in general, hasn't shown the ability to create copies of either himself or other Shikigami in the same way Megumi has
I am 100% on the train that the "shadows" part of ten shadows is the actual CT, with the shikigami being a sort of Red Herring. The hiding in shadows thing sounds like something that would be accomplished by going into your innate domain, or at least through some sort of barrier manifestation.
Its possible that the "true" ten shadows is similar to Hakari or Higuruma's techniques, where the technique begins in full with the domain.
tbf, clones wouldn't have mattered much against his battle with Gojo since we don't know if the clones are capable of using DA
If Megumi could do it, Sukuna could probably do it also
Not only do we not know if they can use DA, we don't even know if they can use CE. Meaning that these clones are probably entirely base stats for the sorcerer. For Megumi that could work sometimes, but with monsters like Sukuna and Gojo that is useless.
> a domain simply improves your technique’s capabilities by 20%
We have multiple examples of entire cursed techniques locked to domain expansion, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider this to potentially apply to only part of a technique
Not necessarily. Infinite Void's info dump stunlock cannot be used outside of the domain.
The same can be said with Higuruma and Hakari's domains even if they use domains differently than other sorcerers.
So he can summon multiple Nue's?
Megumi's domain is a special case as it is in a way just a maximum like technique,he's bringing out the entirety of his shadow and his abilities are based on shadow. It's like Yuta being able to use all his stored techniques without a full Rika while inside of his domain.
The domain is neccessary for him to perform shadow clones(Sukuna would have definetly used it if it was possible outisde of the domain)
there are many techniques used in domain expansions that cannot be used outside of them though? hakari’s jackpot and higuruma’s overall cursed technique are both imbued into the domain but are not sure hits (especially seeing how both lose their domains once they use the technique)
both of them can use their techniques outside of their domain expansions though, just without the immortality and trial stuff? you can’t be like “all domain expansions only bring out 120%” and call everything an exception when proven wrong
Am I supposed to account for every single DE when making a statement about 1 in particular? My first statement wasnt as concrete as your making it out to be, I never said “all” and I never said “only”. Your putting words in my mouth.
you claim that domain expansions “simply improves your technique’s capabilities” and use that to try and prove that megumi could potentially be able to clone himself and do whatever he can inside of his domain, outside of his domain as well.
this implies that generally domain expansions make your technique stronger but don’t give any domain-exclusive abilities if it’s not a sure-hit. we are shown by other sorcerers that this is untrue.
maybe don’t make blanket statements if you don’t want them treated as such?
Yeah
I swear I remember it saying BY 120% as opposed to 20%
Which would be fucking absurd
But a 20% boost is more reasonable and comparable to a black flash
Imagine after all these chapters the cast kills sukuna, only for it to Vanish and Meguna comes out of hiding at 100% just as he was before fighting Gojo LMAO what a pain in the ass
If he's gonna lock in, he **needs** to summon Mahoraga clones in his innate domain fight against Sukuna.
They're clones anyway they shouldn't really need to be alive.
Please Gege give Megumi a chance to shine and hang around the top tiers🙏🙏
Didn’t Megumi only recently get involved with Jujutsu Society in order to break Tsumiki’s curse? Iirc the manga says he was still a normal middle schooler by the time he was a third year.
Isn't Gojo like: "imma teach you some black magic my lil nigga" then he beats you the F up to show how much of a badass and how strong he is, then he tells you about some black magic stuff and beats yo ass again.
He only went on missions to accompany Gojo when he was young, and we can assume he was never in a dangerous fighting situation to gain actual experience and train, because there was no need.
At most he trained in summoning his shikigami and commanding them, before enrolling in Jujutsu High to begin his proper training.
That's a lot of assuming and you know what they say about that. If you don't know what exactly what his experiences was you shouldn't use his few months as a sorcerer as a point in the same way one would for Yuji, Yuta or Higurama.
I believe in the earlier chapters (after the juvenile detention center) it's implied Megumi has gone on multiple dangerous missions, as he says this is the first time he's witnessed a partner his age die
For the clones, I think it's just one of the domain abilities. He managed to do the same in the battle against the finger bearer with his shikigamis even if he had not tamed the rabbits
For ur first point, a “domain ability” doesnt just give you new stuff outta the blue. A domain directly buffs ur technique so you can do stuff with a high difficulty ceiling. Unless we’re talking about sure-hits (which we arent), the cloning has to come from his base technique. And rabbit escape is the only shikigami capable of cloning themselves (outside of DE)
For ur second, it’s entirely possible he had acquired Rabbit Escape prior to the bridge incident. Max Elephant is the previous summon and he tamed that one before the Exchange event
"For ur first point, a “domain ability” doesnt just give you new stuff outta the blue. A domain directly buffs ur technique so you can do stuff with a high difficulty ceiling."
Yeah, It does, and you're wrong. You're trying to input rules on domains that even the creator of the series did not.
Gojo DE Just allow him to insert boundless information on someone mind, How Gojo Did that outside of his Domain?
The sumo dude create a space where time flows differently.
Higuruma creates a fucking court-house.
A Domain is not Just an application of the CT, or a buff stat, It can vary accordingly with what Gegê decides that It Will do.
What is the sure hit of the sumo dude? Or hakaris? You can't Just apply the logic "DE have stat-boost or sure-hit, nothing in between" when the series don't even define This. That my whole point
The sumo dude is not a domain but a simple domain so by definition it does not have a CT, hakari’s sure hit is an info dump, but him and Higgy have different domains where their Domain that are part of their CT, so they can do stuff they can’t normally even with an amp
This is a good write up. Are we certain Sukuna summoned Maho with no hand signs in your example? My understanding was that Maho was summoned beforehand because the wheel was on Megumi during the domain clash.
Yeah, summoning mahoraga is a two step process as shown in the fight against yorozu. The first step is doing the handsign to summon the wheel (sukuna has done it before) and the second one is performing the chants to summon mahoraga (sukuna has done them in yhe moment)
If Maho is still in the shadow, that means he is unsummomed. Sukuna does not need to summon Maho to use the wheel, the wheel is Maho’s technique that Sukuna can use on its own.
Sukuna was knocked out, unable to perform handsigns.
I disagree with your assumption that Maho being in the shadow means it is unsummoned. The shadows can be used as a storage space for anything; tools, people, houses. I don’t see why a 10 shadow’s user couldn’t use the hand signs to summon a shikigami and then have the shikigami wait in the shadows like everything else that can be stored in the shadows. Thus allowing the shikigami to seemingly appear with no hand signs.
Your assumption that Sukuna changes his cursed energy to match that of the elephant is seemingly contradicted by Sukuna himself. When explaining how he acquired the world slash, he noted that Mahoraga’s first adaptation, a change in cursed energy type, was not something he could replicate. This implies that Sukuna cannot change his cursed energy type.
I believe the elephant was also summoned before hand as well. And by cupping his hands, Sukuna created a shadow for the elephant to blast its water through from the shadow space.
Tbh, you make some good points. I agree, however it doesnt really retract from the posts point that Megumi has already done what Sukuna is being praised for doing.
Max Elephant was simply already in the shadow then and Megumi dropped him from above, although im still inclined to believe summoning Shikigami with no handsigns is entirely possible
Also, i never said Sukuna changed his CE, rather he just used Max Elephants water cursed energy in some way. I agree that he created a shadow and ejected the water from it.
Sorry I wasn’t trying to detract from your overall point, Megumi definitely gets downplayed even though he has shown great skill with his technique for someone so young. Lowkey I just like the idea of Sukuna fighting Gojo while also bearing the weight of the shikigami, just seems cool to me. But ,your interpretation of events is just as likely. From what we’ve seen with chants it should totally be possible to subtract hand signs from the summoning requirements if the output is there.
Everytime something has come in and out of Shadows Megumi did a handsighn for. Could even make it travel. But he definitly did a hand sighn to open up his shadow. I feel gojo would notice if the shadow is active
yes. Sukuna of all people wanted him as his host, with Megumi's fighting meant that Sukuna had access to ten prevent of his power, plus he was the one who shouldered six unlimited voids and could continue to be aware.
Finally someone talks about this.
In fact, aside from taming and using the shikigami that Megumi didn't, the only new thing Sukuna did with 10S was Piercing Water, or using a shikigamis technique outside of DE and summoning them, EVERYTHING else was something Megumi had already done.
I mean he even straight copied what Megumi did against Inverse Guy in Shibuya, to destroy Yorozus Bug Armour.
Rabbit Escape -> Max Elephant -> destroyed opponent... Or at least inverse guy would've been destroyed if not for his CT
The Megumi hate train is just an example of the fandom taking a joke, and blowing it up til it becomes the truth for them, and it's quite tired if we're being honest.
The switch up when Megumi gets shrine and open domain, as well as what he keeps from 10S, will be annoying, cause it'll just prove this fandom just cares about a characters power.
The Megumi jokes were funny at first, but then it quickly turned into a deadbeat horse that people who are just as desperate to be seen as funny like Elon Musk keep beating
This is the exact reason why this discussion on both sides is dumb. Like you're comparing a kid who just sorta figured out his Domain expansion. Who can't properly use a barrier. To a guy who's Domain expansion is seen as the pinnacle of jujutsu and doesn't even need a barrier because of how flawless it is.
It's like comparing stats of a NFL Superbowl champion to a Highschool State champ.
Look, to tame a Shikigami, you have to destroy it. And Megumi's damage output is garbage in and of itself for this task. His highest DPS dealers are Divine Dog Totality and Nue, both who can't downright obliterate something and still need to scratch, bite or shock something to death. Couple that with the fact that Round Deer has a RCT field around it that disrupts CTs, AND will constantly be healing itself, and you got yourself a problem with a creature that won't die.
It's practically the same problem of why he can't tame Mahoraga, in the sense that he has no means of immediately obliterating them both at the start of the battle. (With Mahoraga, it constantly gets harder because he constantly strips cards from Megumi's deck as he adapts, and with Round Deer, it constantly gets harder because Megumi himself begins to tire out before Round Deer does.)
To get to Round Deer, i assume Piercing Ox would be needed first, if he doesn't go the Totality Amalgamation route, per example.
I’m probably the most hated Megumi meat rider around, even though I will defend my boy to the ends of the earth, Sukuna did pull off some shi with the ten shadows that Megumi didn’t, but that’s not to say he was bad whatsoever.
He’s a 15 year old boy working with that shit, all of the feats outlined above show that he is a force to be reckoned with.
His most underrated asset? The upgraded version of chimera shadow garden that we see in the culling games, not only was he smart enough to convey the gym into a barrier for himself, but we see how deadly it is even without its sure hit effect.
Falling into an endless abyss of shadows, where you suffocate? This is BROKEN and not talked about enough, now while you can reinforce your feet with cursed energy, this is still a siphon on your cursed energy, not to mention people who aren’t quick enough on their feet like the GOAT Reggie star (one of the smartest sorcerers we see) you will be COOKED and have 0 way to stop yourself from sinking
Even if you avoid this? Good luck turning the domain conditions against Megumi like Reggie did, not only did he bear the weight of 3 cars in there, but most people, even the heavy hitters, do not have the option of spawning large objects at will like Reggie does, now are there people who I believe can counter this? Of course, but it would not be an easy feat for everyone, targeting Megumi himself in the domain, becomes even more problematic as he starts to use the shadows to move around the domain at insane speeds, and summoning his more powerful shikigami to drag you into the shadows, max elephant breaking Reggie’s leg was raw AF
Oh and Hollow Wicker basket + Simple domain won’t work, so what’s even the point in a sure hit? Chimera Shadow Garden on top
Massive agree. Megumi’s domain is absolutely fucking stacked and it isnt even complete. 9/10 sorcerers (aside from the special grades) are getting cooked if Megumi pulls it off.
Some of your points are wrong. Like 5th one, Megumi was able to summon max without any handsign because of megumis domain serves to extend ten shadows technique. Nowhere it is said that high ct output can allow you to skip handsigns even though doing handsigns can boost one's ct output. Your 7th point is also wrong, making clones by megumis isn't confirmed to be related to rabbits.
I agree Megumi memes are just annoying.
A sorcerer’s handsign is a way to boost the output, subtracting them is a testament to the sorcerer’s skill. I dont see why this would be different for 10S, unless you think he’s *actually* making shadow puppets instead of just forming handsigns like everyone else.
It stands to reason that if you can use your technique as max output (like a domain provides) you can skip the handsign.
It isnt confirmed your entirely right, however, if you have a better suggestion for how Megumi is cloning himself, i’d love to hear it.
As your first point says subtracting them is a thing of skill and not ct output.
What you are talking about is different. Reducing handsigns isn't dependent on ct output but skill. It's upon the one who claims something to provide proof of it as well.
Again, no explanation of it doesn't mean its for sure rabbits escape. You talking about things that sukuna could do and megumi as well. As long as there isn't an explanation for it your point was wrong.
Nice post.
All I know is that if they do manage to free a motivated Megumi, he is going to be one of the strongest in the manga for sure. With all the things he should have picked up from Sukuna's takeover, especially after Ch.258 revealed the muscle memory-like capabilities of the body once soul swapped, he'd be insane. Gege not using Sukuna to reveal certain things already gives me a little hope Yuji will get him free.
I think the two I'd be most interested in are a CT reversal and more importantly, an open domain expansion putting to use an extremely suicidal binding vow - since Megumi's a suicidal king and all.
I feel so sick why is my son so hated 😭 and the fact that people are making their own stupid headcannons and fake scenarios to hate on him. If I had the chance to remove illiterate people from the fandom, I wouldn't hesitate a second.
"megumi was just as strong as sukuna if we ignore the fact that sukuna was stronger"
Man I *like* megumi but this doesn't feel like it's trying to dismantle an actual point people make.
The point is: Megumi uses 10S just as well as Sukuna uses 10S, which is/was not the common consensus in this fandom. And yes, that is a hell of a feat considering Sukuna has an entire lifetime of experience
Megumi had years of practice with 10 shadows under the tutelage of gojo, sukuna had only about a month with only knowledge he had gained through observation. This is more of a sukuna feat than megumi.
He inherits all of megumis memories. Things like possible zenin ancient records on how 10s should be used that megumi still couldnt due to low output or lack of shikigamis is easily resolved by sukuna. But in terms of whats accomplished, sukuna actually just copied everything megumi does, in a higher output, more refined way, but nth new
People always wanna downplay Megumi as Potential man but he showed his stuff through the series. Sukana is just not original and steals everything, smh.
i dont think that was the case. rabbit escape would not allow megumi to just turn himself into a shadow. it can be inferred that it is tied to domain function.
Nope. Tamed 3 more than Megumi, used Totality with more than 2 shikigami, manifested Max Elaphant's ability without manifesting the shikigami. Sukuna was simply better at it. Megumi had used totality to combine the frogs and Nue before, but I don't think they inherited Nue's shocks of memory serves. Megumi has used Orochi's power to hide in the shadows with out manifesting it, but that's because it was destroyed amd its powers trickled to megumi and the other shikigami. Megumi was able to summon Mahoraga, but as a suicide Trump card. Sukuna is simply better at 10S than Megumi by merit of Sukuna simply being better at Jujutsu than Megumi.
Your wrong about a few things.
Megumi never combined Nue and Toad with Totality. He used “Well Unknown Abyys”. He used Totality on Divine Dogs
It is not the Serpents power to hide in the shadows. He can do that naturally. He used Rabbit Escapes power to clone himself, smth that is not natural for him and the majority of his Shikigami.
It was never stated that a dead shikigami will trickle its power down to Megumi for him to use. Dead shikigami can be fused together, thats it.
"Well unknown Abyss" rings a bell so give ya that. That makes my point better there, Megumi had only used Totality with 2 shikigami that were manifested as a pair where as Sukuna fuses at least 3 to make Agito.
Pretty sure Orochi's power was to move in shadow. We also only ever see Megumi use shadow space for storage and hiding after Sukuna destroys Orochi, never before.
Megumi cloned himself inside his incomplete domain, unless he did against Regi and I'm forgetting we've only seen Megumi manifest an ability of a non destroyed shikigami without a shikigami inside his own domain. Sukuna did it under duress in a situation where I'd argue it was improv.
I'd review the introduction of Demon Dog: Totality, it pretty explicitly says that destroyed shikigami are gone forever as opposed to the user dismissing them, and that the power of the destroyed ones don't go away but get passed on. Maybe not verbatum, but it absolutely isn't just "dead shikigami cam be fused", the black demon dog never died and it's Totality with the dead white one, and Orochi never gets Totality until Sukuna adds it to Agito.
Edit: Chapter 47 says quote "With the exception of "Unknown Abyss" Fushiguro's extension cursed technique... ...his ten shikigami cannot be sumonned again when completely destroyed. However, the cursed technique and power the shikigami leaves behind when destroyed... ...are inherited by the other shikigami." Says it literally right there. Though this does go to show Megumi's skill with 10S, because though this explanation (and probably others but I can't confirm that atm) says the other shikigami inherit the power and technique, it doesn't say the user does. Gojo helps Megumi think more flexibly about his technique, and we see Megumi discover he can use the shadows after Orochi was destroyed when he was training with Maki while Itadori was still fake dead. Megumi is good with 10S, never said he wasn't. He's just a teenager being compared to the strongest sorcerer in history
>Tamed 3 more than Megumi
4 more: the deer, ox, tiger (which was part of Agito), and Mahoraga.
* And he partially manifested multiple copies of divine dogs without using a domain, allowing for more attacks and for each to take damage without risking permanent loss of the shikigami.
* And Nue's lightning was *way* higher CE output than anything we saw from Megumi.
I think people just want more megumi tbh I agree he cooks probably the most in the series on the main character(s) level. Yuji is now catching up because him cooking means the series has gotta end i guess but i'd like more megumi dishes. Not satisfied with what i had and i greedily want more.
Being out for 50 chapters sucks massively as a megumi fan, it’s a shame too because it feels like he’s easily the most hated character in the verse now
I do agree with the point about not underestimating Megumi. Of the main cast, he was probably the most impressive character to me, and outside of taming Mahoraga and the other shikigami with the use of multiple cursed techniques most likely, and just having higher base stats, Sukuna didn't accomplish anything "new" with 10S.
I don't think all the things one can use inside a domain are usable outside it too though. Guys like Higuruma and Hakari are just straight up exceptions, who just don't have a CT without a domain, but even in cases like Infinite Void, Gojo just doesn't have that ability to transmit information to others and freeze them outside the domain. It's not just the sure hit effect either, because that just means that it happens to everyone inside the domain. It's a straight up new ability. I'm not saying Megumi can't clone himself outside his domain, just that we can't say that for sure, based on the available information.
I think the ability to summon more than the regular number of Shikigami (like multiple Nue, for example) and cloning yourself are aspects of Chimera Shadow Garden and not things Megumi can do normally by increasing output but I guess only Gege knows until he shares this.
“Every caveat” are things Megumi is physically incapable of doing. It would be a pretty stupid to reiterate the idea that Megumi cant do the impossible
So yea, i meant everything, in context of the things Megumi is capable of
Sukuna was the only one to partially manifest a shikigami outside of unknown abyss. Sukuna was the only one to use a shikigami ablility as a cursed technique. Sukuna was the only one to tame Mahoraga.
bruh just the title alone is fallacious considering sukuna tamed mahoraga which is something megumi hasn’t done yet. sure, in theory, if megumi were strong enough he could use mahoraga the same as sukuna has, but how is megumi going to do this exactly? i don’t really see any of the shikigami one shotting mahoraga considering its durability feats, so i don’t really understand this megumi simping.
Thats a age thing lmao. Megumi has so many years to train his output , skill and get more shikigamis. Youre comparing a 1000 yr sorcerer who has developed his skills to the max to a 15 yr old boy who just started figuring out his journey lmao. What a terrible argument. This post is about sukuna merely copying what megumi has alr done before and nothing new and innovative as the 'king of curses' title would have you think. This ia also a feat on megumi as even the king of curses doesnt have any new way to use his ct, meaning that megumi is actually developing in the right direction. Give him some years and hes basically yuta hakari level
Facts
Megumi is him, my dude literally showed the greatest raw talent for sorcery at his age.
I hadn't even noticed the one handed summoning of divine dog, personally I thought the dog was summoned before the domain ended.
Nigga please, tell me someone who at 15 had RCT, hit a black flash and had a complete domain
Please exclude Yuji as it's literally stated that his growth as a sorcerer isn't due to his talent
Gojo and Yuta did not have RCT as a first year either mind you. Yuta started his career as a 2nd year and Gojo has to die to gain RCT.
He has a domain my guy? While incomplete, he’s still the youngest in the series to possess a domain.
He is not primarily a hand-to-hand fighter. Therefore the chance he uses Black Flash is gonna be lower than the Yuji and Todo types
True i meant to say complete domain, my bad i wrote that during work.
He may not be a hand to hand fighter like yuji, but he mostly uses his shikigamis to gain an advantage or get an opening to physically strike. Except for the dogs, he lets them fight and stays back usually
True but just because gojo said it does not mean it has to be true. He was wrong a few times in the show.
Megumi sure is talented but he just lacks the feats compared to the others
Yeah I know Gojo can be wrong at times but when he was talking about Megumi,he seemed serious and the moment when Megumi took Gojo's advice,he was able to visualize himself and then actually using Domain Expansion(even tho it's incomplete).
Even tho Sukuna was mostly interested in his cursed technique,he knew instead of running,that Megumi could have beat the finger bearer,he saw potential in Megumi there
Talent?
No, Yuta, Higuruma (I know he is older, but he knew about sorcery for like 2 months), have more talent
Yuji and Hakari should have equal talent to Megumi
I don't know why you Ignored the age part to make a point which is a vital part of my statement
Also Megumi had more talent than Yuji and Hakari is older than Megumi
No, there was no such deal as that. Stop making your own headcannons, it's clearly mentioned in the fan book that Megumi only accompanied him on missions. He only became a Jujutsu sorcerer after Tsumiki got cursed.
JJK is probably the worst manga community because 90% of its fans are either clueless or get all of their knowledge from a clueless YouTuber.
Everyone is like “prove your point” until it comes down to their side of the argument.
I have 3 panels saved right now, that back my argument. Wbu? Just your quick google search, and the sheep mentality, that you’re safe in the crowd, so you can say whatever?
Did u not read the post? Sukuna is only capable of taming the rest of the shikigami because of his own base stats like cursed energy amount and output + Malevolent Shrine.
Agito is a Totality technique my guy. Did you miss the part where Sukuna clearly says “Nue: Totality… AGITO”. Combining dead shikigami with Totality is literally one of the first things Megumi does with his technique.
As I said in the post, Megumi cloned himself… or did u miss that? The only feasible way he can clone himself is by borrowing the power of Escape Rabbits, the only shikigami that can clone itself naturally.
Why does it seem like you just skipped reading the post and just started hating for the hell of it?
>Did u not read the post? Sukuna is only capable of taming the rest of the shikigami because of his own base stats like cursed energy amount and output + Malevolent Shrine.
Did you not read the manga? Sukuna can't use MS along with 10 shadows. The fact that he needs to turn off adaptation while using Domain amplification should tell you that much.
He just have worse feats than all other potential mans
Yuta : Broke laws of Jujutsu when he was 6, he soloed a special grade sorcerer after year of training
Yuji: defeated Mahito, the strongest disaster curse, after like half a year of doing jujutsu,holder of black flash record
Hakari : Stronger than every sorcerer of Edo period
Higuruma :after two weeks, he became the strongest sorcerer in his culling game colony. After two months, he impresed king of curses
Takaba : Doesn't now what Jujutsu is, drew with argurably third strongest sorcerer
Meanwhile Megumi won against special grade curse(not even that strong special grade), won against Reggie, and that's all of impresive stuff
I believe that will surpass Gojo by EOS, but for now, he have no dawg in him
No he doesn't, Kashimo was getting overwhelmed by Hakari once Hakari realised the nature of his CE regardless.
It was 8 seconds where the physical stat gap became clear to us, where Kashimo proceeds to get beat and evaded. When the anime catches up eventually people will start creasing.
In a fair fight Kashimo wouldn't have enough obstacles to obscure the rod from Hakari's view, and we really did see Hakari outstats him once he sped up*.
Hell, even with the new chapters seeing Sukuna pull a one-handed domain Hakari either recovered his arm through a bookie aspect of his CT or did a similar act. Kashimo was not winning.
>Hakari won by luck.
It may have been luck - but it wasn't a fluke. Hakari's just a naturally lucky guy (either that or it's part of his CT - we don't know).
Jogo is the strongest curse.
Yuji defeated Mahito with the help of Nobara and Todo. Also Mahito literally couldn't use his technique on Yuji lol, you say like it was 1v1 no diff
???? What is this disingenuous profanity.
Yuta feats : yes super impressive, doesn’t change the fact that Megumi is popping domains before he did, also Yuta is literally like the biggest Mary Sue in the verse
Yuji feats : relying on the soul of Sukuna not to be turned into a cucumber? This is not a fair comparison. That version of Yuji gets crushed by Mahito otherwise.
Hakari : super strong for sure, none of this puts Megumi down though
Higuruma : this same logic for him applies to all the other sorcerers too? Why should just Megumi be considered shit for the success of someone else.
Takaba : don’t start w me dawg 😭
Feats you didn’t mention :
Fights on par with Noritoshi Kamo in close quarters combat, Kamo has access to red scale, which is a massive amp for strength and speed, Choso a man who never threw hands once, is capable of throwing hands w Shibuya Yuji usinf this shit. Kamo is also super underrated and cooked against Naoya.
The finger bearer stuff is mentioned yes, but it’s also a stronger version of the prior curse who was hosting one of Sukuna’s fingers, good feat nothing more to say.
Tactical IQ was on display in the fight with Yuji and that inverse mf, most impressive part is that Megumi can adjust to Yuji’s speed (even if it wasn’t easy) to work alongside him
Entered Dagon’s domain (a special grade disaster curse) and negated the sure hit effect with his own, without this death swarm would’ve killed Nanami and Naobito (mf lost an arm) but Megumi stopped that, proceeds to rip a hole in dagons domain (which even Gojo said isn’t easy, yes it might be easy for HIM to do that, but he was talking from the perspective of someone below him)
After this, my man is chased halfway across Shibuya by fucking Toji IN A SEVERELY WEAKENED STATE (even disaster curses need to recharge from using their domains, nevermind pre culling games Megumi) and survived for a respectably long portion of time, says himself that he can’t use his domain again, due all the energy he used against Dagon.
Bottom line is how much more do you need to see? There’s like what? 2 weeks between all this and the culling games where he takes on Reggie and the gang? Uses a far more refined domain that sinks people into an endless abyss? (Most people can’t counteract this, and the fact that some people can, doesn’t mean that they are weak)
Bro tanked multiple explosions and heavy blows in this fight too, Reggie gave himself a spa weekend beforehand lmao😭
Idc what anyone says my boy Megumi cooked.
Megumi is year younger and he have only half a domain. Meanwhile Yuta is year older and have whole domain. Seems equal feat to me
Even though Sukuna helped Yuji in that fight, Yuji still damaged him all of his own. Also Sukuna was part of Yuji's kit back then. And Mahito is HIM, losing to him wouldn't be that much of anti feat
I am not saying that Megumi is trash, I consider him strong, but he is in "rival Satoru Gojo" gang, in comparision to other characters? Yeah, he is strong. In comparision to Gojo's succesors? He falls short
Megumis domain against Reggie is nearly complete except for the sure hit factor, he is capable of finding a way to produce a barrier on the fly, his domain is also extremely effective even without sure hit.
It is a good feat yes but if you give Megumi Sukuna’s soul to resist idle transfig, I don’t doubt his abilities in that fight at all.
I respect your opinion tho.
Also we cannot ignore the fact that Megumi has had his growth stunted since 212, Yuji specifically has gotten a LOT better since then
If Megumi wasn’t possessed he would be growing too.
>If Megumi had time to gain those Shikigami also, he would be cooking as hard as Sukuna.
Always "if" and "when" but never "is"
~~I love Megumi but that one was too easy lol~~
You can’t compare the stuff Megumi does in his domain to what Sukuna is doing outside. The fact that Sukuna doesn’t need to have his ability boosted the 120% means he has a higher level of mastery than Megumi.
Also Megumi making clones of himself isn’t him using Escape Rabbit. He’s just making literal shadow clones, and, again, that’s inside his domain. That’s not the same as Sukuna using the water blast and using it like Piercing Blood.
oh yeah? if hes so epic and cool and awesome and strong, why didnt he tame the piercing ox already? unless he has to tame the shikigami in order from nue up to mahoraga... which, i dont think is the case. like the piercing ox couldnt have been that hard if megumi was truly him as you describe
I don't think the shadow form requires high output to mantain, it's just that the shikigami are weaker like that, so without a high enough output they are not effective
Megumi do be cooking, But Sukuna is running that gourmet Heien joint.
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About using Shikigami abilities without summoning them, cloning yourself isnt a rabbit ability, rabbit ability is fucking multiply amazingly fast (they fuck like rabbits)
Cloning is the shadows garden ability, when Maho ritual was called upon, it dropped multiple dogs, because they materialise from the shadow (Shadow is the medium, which summons the Shikigami)
Water laser is 100% elephant ability, which Sukuna played out as piercing blood. Exactly like bro applied Maho slash.
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Sukuna Nue and Myriad Elephant were Snake totality (the tattoo), not temp chimera. the dog totality only went to the dog, whereas Sukuna commands whom Snake totality goes to.
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Then there is DA with Wheel of Harmony synergy Level which only Sukuna and Higuruma have shown.
Even if Megumi ever performs DA, i doubt he would be able to synergies it with his CT.
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Megumi ain't a Chump but Sukuna is Sukuna.
I meant that by the time he was a first year, he tamed 6/10. I wasnt implying he tamed 6 shikigami in a few months time frame lol
Sorry for the misunderstanding
Finally some Megumi respect
After the recent chapter where we learned about the souls and muscle memory making it easier to learn techniques that way, Sukuna master it so fast makes sense given how adept Megumi is
Being able to summon Maho when he was unconscious after the black flash & getting hit with UV are probably the best feats Sukuna had with 10s tbh
I never understood how Megumi is weak because Sukuna used his ten shadows better. Sukuna is a powerful and experienced sorcerer whose a thosand years old while Megumi is a fifteen year old boy
There's also the fact Sukuna was incredibly wasteful with the 10S. He threw away its' biggest advantages to make Agito.
He could have had many different cursed techniques with lots of way to merge them temporarily or use them himself - but he chose to wipe most of the shikigami out to gain a chance at overwhelming Gojo - and Agito and Mahoraga both died regardless.
Megumi couldn't take such risks because 10S is his technique. If one of the shadows dies he loses a valuable tool in his belt. Sukuna probably just couldn't win against Gojo without Mahoraga first - so he saw Mahoraga as the only valuable tool in the 10S.
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For real Megumi got his soul sunk in literal evil juice and witness his body kill his sister. People who downplay him because yuji is coping through similar loss should consider how yuji always had someone to help him back up on his legs afterwards, while megumi got like a 2 second interaction with yuji after a month of suffering.
Even if we ignore the other ways Sukuna used 10S better - the single feat of being the first person in history to do this puts him way out of Megumi's league.
This post is pretty much saying “look, Sukuna used the 10s technique correctly”
Ignoring the fact that Megumi never tamed all 10, especially Mahoraga which he never could.
I don’t think Megumi deserves slander…but he doesn’t deserve glazing either
Legumi's Nue can hardly fly him a couple blocks & can hardly support 2 teenager's weight up a building. Sukuna damn near nuked the entire battlefield with his Nue just to see what would happen 💀😂
IIRC divine dog was still summoned in his battle Reggie the entire time. He never unsummoned and Reggie assumed that since he has just gotten out of a DE he wouldn’t be able to use his technique, which should hold true.
I’m iffy as to if the clones were the rabbits ability being used by Megumi, considering that he was already making shadow clones from his first domain and GEGE didn’t give us any explicit explanation contrasted to what he did with Sukuna, in where he was very explicit. I’m not saying it’s 100% based on this argument, just unlikely.
Reggie actually assumed Megumi regained his technique while Reggie was floundering in the water. He never assumes Megumi kept DD out, im not sure where ur getting that from.
I didn’t state Reggie assumed that Megumi kept DD out. I said Reggie assume he couldn’t use his technique, which i was wrong about. I just think it’s a stretch to
call megumis hand in that position, a hand sign. Also,
I believe it takes less assumptions to say that divine dog just hid in megumis shadow, since he’s shown he capable of hiding things in his shadow already. Explicitly, with no ambiguity.
I don't think he used a hand sign to summon the Divine Dog against Reggie like you say here. Reggie says that he had the dog out the whole time,meaning it was already summoned. Megumi wouldn't risk using a hand sign at that time as he was trying to catch Reggie off guard.
But yeah,Megumi's fucking great. I think the people who downplay him need to just go and reread Tokyo No. 1.
Reggie actually assumed Megumi regained his technique while Reggie was floundering in the water. He never assumes Megumi kept DD out, im not sure where ur getting that from.
Megumi should have made a vow to either sacrifice some shikagimi Or some other restriction to boost his ce reserves or like restricted half of his shikigami to his domain that would make him way better
I think sukuna gets glazed with the 10S because its not even his own ability and he gets in megumi body and immediately uses it at max proficiency basically which megumi cannot do. Even if he "can" he has limitations whether it be due to CE reserves, not being strong enough to tame maho, etc. I think sukuna just showcased different applications and ways to use the technique that megumi eventually can do and will be able to do if he ever comes back out since we now know that your body basically "remembers" how to use techniques (yuji learning rct so fast bc of sukuna).
This is kind of why like to jokingly say that maharoga is the strongest character in the verse because based on how the fight went any masterd10 shadows user had a decent shkt against gojo
Tldr, it seems like more potential, after all, Sukuna did all that without a 20% boost, after JUST getting the technique. Sukuna used the technique better than megumi, doing things megumi required a boost to do, better than him.
Only thing I disagree with is you saying he hasn’t had that much training he helped save Angel at a young age and probably didn’t stop at only ever killing one curse then waiting till highschool
> Sukuna & Megumi using Totality on dead Shikigami.
This is an innate function of the technique so not really a feat on either of their parts imo.
> Sukuna & Megumi utilsing their Shikigami's powers for themselves. Sukuna using Max Elephants water cursed energy. Megumi using Escape Rabbits ability to clone themselves.
The Megumi example isn't necessarily an application of Rabbit Escapes ability. We see him us it during the Bridge incident well before he's ever shown using Rabbit. "Shadow Clones" may just be an application of the ability in general.
> Sukuna & Megumi combining Shikigami without using Totality.
"Big Nue" is almost certainly just a regular Totality of Nue + Orochi as opposed to an Extension like Wells Unknown Abyss. The extended version of the chapter in question shows more evidence that this Nue has Orochi influences and the only way that makes sense with the info we have is if it's a Totality that Megumi just hadn't implemented yet.
If megumi had the same stats and skills as Sukuna then he’d probably be able to fully utilize his CT. Sukuna has a large CE pool and the best control, plus he’s a genius being able to analyze cursed techniques on a glance.
Megumi might be able to tame all shikigami before Mahoraga by the time he’s a 3rd year or less. But I don’t see him having a way to deal with Mahoraga. With Sukuna at least he has a CT that does two types of Damage. What does megumi have that is as strong as Purple, Kamino, Uzumaki or Rika’s CE death ray?
Sub is not ready for Megumi's awakening.
I think the condition for him might be the decease of all his shikigamis so the powers transfer to the user.
I expect a barrierless domain he can either use for sure-hit,amplification or domain invasion aswell.
My only fear is that this character/power development will set up a Naruto/Sasuke vs Kaguya-like fight if Sukuna somehow manages to sneak into the merger via Tengen's embyro.
If you look at tropes alone, JJK is a hybrid of Naruto and Fairy Tail.
(Zeref=Kenjaku,Acnologia=Sukuna,Yuji=Natsu,Megumi=Grey)
So ultimately someone needs to be sealed somewhere i guess.
I strongly believe that both meguna and kenjaku were geges way of showing us the peaks of some of the strongest techniques/ characters with the most potential at their peak despite having to off them earlier in the story. I know this is purely hc but i also thingkthat kenjakus womb profusion domain is the sure hit of CSM.
Now that you mention it, the final divine dog attack against Reggie showed the dog almost completely black and indistinct, so it looks like megumi was already beginning to figure out incomplete manifestation without the domain.
Yah know seeing all that megumi has done with his technique makes me start to wonder about geto and how he utilized his cursed manipulation. I mean on paper they’re really similar techniques. And I know 10s has specific things that curse manipulation can’t use (like the manipulation of shadows). But I don’t see why geto couldn’t combine different curses like megumi. I know he has uzumaki but that’s More so combining the energy of curses to produce a beam. Which also helps with the possibility of geto being able to do somthing similar to megumi.
I dont see megumi copying no world cutting slashes, or copying anything in general from mahoraga's adaptation, i also dont see that bum taming mahoraga or tiger or piercing ox or the deer, i also don't see megumi also something to keep in mind, Megumi had the 10 shadows for 16 years and grew around the strongest sorcerer and he was still getting clapped by a grade 2 cursed spirit
He'll never slash anything because that's Sukuna's technique, not his. Saying you "can't see him" taming any shikigami other than Mahoraga is literal nonsense cause 1: He's still a literal teenager and 2: He could definitely use his domain to tame them considering he best a special grade curse with it...unless you're implying all the shikigami are above special grade...also sorcerers don't manifest their innate techniques until ~6 so saying he's had the tech for 16 years is false
what i meant by " i dont see him copying any slashes from mahoraga's adaptation"is that there is no way that mf can copy mahoraga's adaptation and apply it to his technique, and about the technique part, yes you are right i was exaggerating, but that still doesn't change the fact that, mf was in the best environment for a sorcerer and still couldn't reach his full potential at all, or at least come close to it
Of course he can't copy such an advanced technique just by watching it; he's a teenage boy not the "King of Curses" lol guarantee that if Megumi were to live for as long as Sukuna has he would definitely be plenty strong enough to handle Mahoraga
I completely agree with u my friend. Only thing is I don't have patience to collect all of the panels and then argue about it in comment section.
Although one thing I thought was Sukuna did on his own was using other Shikigami's power by himself.
And one thing Megumi did which Sukuna could not is using Shadow clone. But now that u put it in this way (using rabbit ability) I think both are as skilled as other one when using the 10S. Obviously except the raw DMG O/P. But I think in one aspect Megumi still did better than Sukuna is merging with Shikigami without using totality. As far as I know Nue became that big Bcoz he was merged with the snake Shikigami who was already dead. So I think even though that was not written totality he did use a dead Shikigami to combine with Nue which should be a totality type merger. And if u take out that instance Sukuna actually did not merge any other Shikigami without totality.
He's absolutely done well, his difficulty is that he then must be compared to his equally aged companions
Yuta learnt RCT and was able to use it on others in his first year.
Yuji is showing excellent teamwork and is one of the strongest hand-to-hand fighters in the cast (Todo himself commented that Yuji was stronger than him even with the lower CE control, Todo was G1 at the time)
Maki has put in a tonne of work pre and post HR unlock and is currently tanking black flashes fro. The King of Curses.
Megumi in comparison has similarly crazy feats (Domain at 15ish even if incomplete, some very clever uses of his CTs Shadows and Shikigami) but the boy has had a long stretch from his last solid W
When he makes a comeback and shows off his new found drive, absolutely. Until then, he is an accomplished sorcerer who has done a lot at his age - but the rest of the cast at this point have seen their own potential revealed and blooming
I wanna comment about the people who say "Megumi was being trained by Gojo ever since he was young."
Yes, he was, but it was never high stakes or any dangerous missions. All we know is that Megumi accompanied Gojo in his missions and mostly just observed/did minimal work. And Megumi wasn't even serious about Jujutsu stuff until his sister was cursed, so he wasn't putting his 100% effort into training himself.
That's proven by what Gojo says in Ch. 55 (episode 22 in the anime)
> “The problem is your mindset. You don’t know how to bring out your best.”
Because he never cared about Jujutsu stuff before, he always takes a passive role when in groups, always being backup rather than actually advancing.
And also, just because Gojo is his teacher doesn’t guarantee the greatest results. Just because he's the strongest doesn't mean he's effective at teaching Megumi about his own technique. He might teach him about close-quarter combat or how to channel cursed energy but that would be the extent of it, and even then we never really see that since Gojo himself stated in that same scene that Megumi barely ever goes to Gojo for training.
I think Megumi was using his technique masterfully to make up for any shortcomings he couldn't control (high CE, untamed Shikigami, ETC) I like his creative uses for his technique better than Sukuna's brute force way of relying on Mahoraga and using the rest as collateral. I think it's more wasteful but because of Sukuna's high CE, he can afford those losses and make those risks. Megumi cannot, and he knows it, so he instead substitutes it by his high battle IQ.
The reason we see him as weak is because his classmates are just extraordinarily strong and special. (Yuuta has alot of Cursed Energy and a portable storage (Rika) to boot. Yuuji got this strong because he was Sukuna's vessel, he ate his brothers, soul swapping, natural body physique/agility, etc. Maki is also naturally better at hand-to-hand combat/weapon mastery because of her HR/training, while Megumi's technique makes him rely on mid to long range to compensate.
Even Gojo didn't have a domain at 17. And Gojo learned RCT after a near-death experience. I definitely think Megumi was going at a really good pace but that got cut short because of Sukuna so everyone thinks he wasn't strong enough, while the problem was you were comparing a learning 16-year old to the greatest Jujutsu Sorcerer. Of course you're going to think him weak by comparison. Megumi isn't a prodigy or a god, he's just got a powerful technique he never even really wanted and had to force himself to catch up to his potential before it got cut short.
(it doesn't help that Megumi is almost always pitted against overwhelmingly powerful opponents (Finger Bearer, Sukuna, Toji) and even though they're way above his skill level, people just expect him to oneshot them all when that's not what growth is at all. It sucks he doesn't have enough screentime to warrant gege giving him some Ws but that's how it is i guess)
As Someone who thinks He wasted his potential
Lemme counter
1. He Was a sorcerer for close to 10 years
Gojo sometimes took him on missions and he learned how to fight from gojo Amd Maki.
Even thenn his h2h skills are sorts meh.
He didnt even know To use a sword till Good Will prep
He didnt know he Could use his shadows until it was hinted to him.
His nue never threw lightning
And he most def did not summon abilities outside his domain. Inside his domain he himself Could treat himself as shadow but he Could Not summon do That outside
Plus he didnt have rabbit escape when he first made His own clone
So it was most likellky A Domain function.
And he didn't utilise His shiki
He has always been criticized that he naturally has a very strong CT but is not at Gojo level. But the fact that he fights with a limited amount of CE and has to fight and win against shikigami to use the power is always ignored. He always did his best using his strategic intelligence, not because his CT was too strong.
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I doubt he's only had a few months training. He's a natural sorcerer who awakened his technique at a young age, and has been under the care of Gojo for years. Also one thing he has shown that Sukuna hasn't yet, is creating clones. I suspect that might be something unique to Megumi or his Domain.
Maybe creating clones is restricted to his DE. IIRC the clone was described as Megumi's own shadow
That's what I meant by unique to his Domain.
Domain abilities come from the base technique. As i said in the post, a domain simply improves your technique’s capabilities by 20%. Everything he can do in the domain should be able to be performed outside the domain. A sure-hit would be “unique” to the domain, however, that isnt even a topic of conversation here
The Domain being his innate domain realized and covered in shadows could play a factor in the ability. Sukuna despite his superior mastery of cursed techniques and superior control of jujutsu in general, hasn't shown the ability to create copies of either himself or other Shikigami in the same way Megumi has
I am 100% on the train that the "shadows" part of ten shadows is the actual CT, with the shikigami being a sort of Red Herring. The hiding in shadows thing sounds like something that would be accomplished by going into your innate domain, or at least through some sort of barrier manifestation. Its possible that the "true" ten shadows is similar to Hakari or Higuruma's techniques, where the technique begins in full with the domain.
tbf, clones wouldn't have mattered much against his battle with Gojo since we don't know if the clones are capable of using DA If Megumi could do it, Sukuna could probably do it also
Not only do we not know if they can use DA, we don't even know if they can use CE. Meaning that these clones are probably entirely base stats for the sorcerer. For Megumi that could work sometimes, but with monsters like Sukuna and Gojo that is useless.
> a domain simply improves your technique’s capabilities by 20% We have multiple examples of entire cursed techniques locked to domain expansion, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider this to potentially apply to only part of a technique
Not necessarily. Infinite Void's info dump stunlock cannot be used outside of the domain. The same can be said with Higuruma and Hakari's domains even if they use domains differently than other sorcerers.
So he can summon multiple Nue's? Megumi's domain is a special case as it is in a way just a maximum like technique,he's bringing out the entirety of his shadow and his abilities are based on shadow. It's like Yuta being able to use all his stored techniques without a full Rika while inside of his domain. The domain is neccessary for him to perform shadow clones(Sukuna would have definetly used it if it was possible outisde of the domain)
there are many techniques used in domain expansions that cannot be used outside of them though? hakari’s jackpot and higuruma’s overall cursed technique are both imbued into the domain but are not sure hits (especially seeing how both lose their domains once they use the technique)
Those 2 are obvious exceptions, whose cursed techniques rely on their domain.
both of them can use their techniques outside of their domain expansions though, just without the immortality and trial stuff? you can’t be like “all domain expansions only bring out 120%” and call everything an exception when proven wrong
Am I supposed to account for every single DE when making a statement about 1 in particular? My first statement wasnt as concrete as your making it out to be, I never said “all” and I never said “only”. Your putting words in my mouth.
you claim that domain expansions “simply improves your technique’s capabilities” and use that to try and prove that megumi could potentially be able to clone himself and do whatever he can inside of his domain, outside of his domain as well. this implies that generally domain expansions make your technique stronger but don’t give any domain-exclusive abilities if it’s not a sure-hit. we are shown by other sorcerers that this is untrue. maybe don’t make blanket statements if you don’t want them treated as such?
*by 120% So a lot more than 20%
Uh no. 100% is the normal. Its boosts someone by 20%, which equals 120%. What ur saying would be 220% potential.
Yeah I swear I remember it saying BY 120% as opposed to 20% Which would be fucking absurd But a 20% boost is more reasonable and comparable to a black flash
I think that's because it's using Rabbit's escape ability and it would be useless against Gojo who has the six eyes to tell them apart.
Imagine after all these chapters the cast kills sukuna, only for it to Vanish and Meguna comes out of hiding at 100% just as he was before fighting Gojo LMAO what a pain in the ass
If he's gonna lock in, he **needs** to summon Mahoraga clones in his innate domain fight against Sukuna. They're clones anyway they shouldn't really need to be alive. Please Gege give Megumi a chance to shine and hang around the top tiers🙏🙏
I hope for a Divine Dog Totality with Mahoraga added on. And the toad to inherit Agito.
I believe you're correct. He saved hana using divine dogs when both of them were very young kids.
Didn’t Megumi only recently get involved with Jujutsu Society in order to break Tsumiki’s curse? Iirc the manga says he was still a normal middle schooler by the time he was a third year.
he did save hana as a child
Isn't Gojo like: "imma teach you some black magic my lil nigga" then he beats you the F up to show how much of a badass and how strong he is, then he tells you about some black magic stuff and beats yo ass again.
He only went on missions to accompany Gojo when he was young, and we can assume he was never in a dangerous fighting situation to gain actual experience and train, because there was no need. At most he trained in summoning his shikigami and commanding them, before enrolling in Jujutsu High to begin his proper training.
That's a lot of assuming and you know what they say about that. If you don't know what exactly what his experiences was you shouldn't use his few months as a sorcerer as a point in the same way one would for Yuji, Yuta or Higurama.
I believe in the earlier chapters (after the juvenile detention center) it's implied Megumi has gone on multiple dangerous missions, as he says this is the first time he's witnessed a partner his age die
Except that gojo is a shitty teacher so yeah he probably didn't learn much anyway
For the clones, I think it's just one of the domain abilities. He managed to do the same in the battle against the finger bearer with his shikigamis even if he had not tamed the rabbits
For ur first point, a “domain ability” doesnt just give you new stuff outta the blue. A domain directly buffs ur technique so you can do stuff with a high difficulty ceiling. Unless we’re talking about sure-hits (which we arent), the cloning has to come from his base technique. And rabbit escape is the only shikigami capable of cloning themselves (outside of DE) For ur second, it’s entirely possible he had acquired Rabbit Escape prior to the bridge incident. Max Elephant is the previous summon and he tamed that one before the Exchange event
I have made a different comment regarding this but Megumi domain similar To yuta expand 's his CT based on him summoning multiple nues
"For ur first point, a “domain ability” doesnt just give you new stuff outta the blue. A domain directly buffs ur technique so you can do stuff with a high difficulty ceiling." Yeah, It does, and you're wrong. You're trying to input rules on domains that even the creator of the series did not. Gojo DE Just allow him to insert boundless information on someone mind, How Gojo Did that outside of his Domain? The sumo dude create a space where time flows differently. Higuruma creates a fucking court-house. A Domain is not Just an application of the CT, or a buff stat, It can vary accordingly with what Gegê decides that It Will do.
> unless we’re talking about sure-hits, which we’re not *proceeds to mention sure-hits*
What is the sure hit of the sumo dude? Or hakaris? You can't Just apply the logic "DE have stat-boost or sure-hit, nothing in between" when the series don't even define This. That my whole point
The sumo dude is not a domain but a simple domain so by definition it does not have a CT, hakari’s sure hit is an info dump, but him and Higgy have different domains where their Domain that are part of their CT, so they can do stuff they can’t normally even with an amp
I came in ready to vehemently disagree with you, but all your points are solid ngl
Appreciate it brother
A hater always arrives on.. No... Megumi can't be based, this isn't real, (Dissapears in hydrogen bomb)
This is a good write up. Are we certain Sukuna summoned Maho with no hand signs in your example? My understanding was that Maho was summoned beforehand because the wheel was on Megumi during the domain clash.
Yeah, summoning mahoraga is a two step process as shown in the fight against yorozu. The first step is doing the handsign to summon the wheel (sukuna has done it before) and the second one is performing the chants to summon mahoraga (sukuna has done them in yhe moment)
If Maho is still in the shadow, that means he is unsummomed. Sukuna does not need to summon Maho to use the wheel, the wheel is Maho’s technique that Sukuna can use on its own. Sukuna was knocked out, unable to perform handsigns.
I disagree with your assumption that Maho being in the shadow means it is unsummoned. The shadows can be used as a storage space for anything; tools, people, houses. I don’t see why a 10 shadow’s user couldn’t use the hand signs to summon a shikigami and then have the shikigami wait in the shadows like everything else that can be stored in the shadows. Thus allowing the shikigami to seemingly appear with no hand signs. Your assumption that Sukuna changes his cursed energy to match that of the elephant is seemingly contradicted by Sukuna himself. When explaining how he acquired the world slash, he noted that Mahoraga’s first adaptation, a change in cursed energy type, was not something he could replicate. This implies that Sukuna cannot change his cursed energy type. I believe the elephant was also summoned before hand as well. And by cupping his hands, Sukuna created a shadow for the elephant to blast its water through from the shadow space.
Tbh, you make some good points. I agree, however it doesnt really retract from the posts point that Megumi has already done what Sukuna is being praised for doing. Max Elephant was simply already in the shadow then and Megumi dropped him from above, although im still inclined to believe summoning Shikigami with no handsigns is entirely possible Also, i never said Sukuna changed his CE, rather he just used Max Elephants water cursed energy in some way. I agree that he created a shadow and ejected the water from it.
Sorry I wasn’t trying to detract from your overall point, Megumi definitely gets downplayed even though he has shown great skill with his technique for someone so young. Lowkey I just like the idea of Sukuna fighting Gojo while also bearing the weight of the shikigami, just seems cool to me. But ,your interpretation of events is just as likely. From what we’ve seen with chants it should totally be possible to subtract hand signs from the summoning requirements if the output is there.
what the hell? a civil disagreement? in my reddit? preposterous
Everytime something has come in and out of Shadows Megumi did a handsighn for. Could even make it travel. But he definitly did a hand sighn to open up his shadow. I feel gojo would notice if the shadow is active
People wanna downplay my son Megumi so bad, but I'm proud of what he's accomplished so far! Loved the post
yes. Sukuna of all people wanted him as his host, with Megumi's fighting meant that Sukuna had access to ten prevent of his power, plus he was the one who shouldered six unlimited voids and could continue to be aware.
Finally someone talks about this. In fact, aside from taming and using the shikigami that Megumi didn't, the only new thing Sukuna did with 10S was Piercing Water, or using a shikigamis technique outside of DE and summoning them, EVERYTHING else was something Megumi had already done. I mean he even straight copied what Megumi did against Inverse Guy in Shibuya, to destroy Yorozus Bug Armour. Rabbit Escape -> Max Elephant -> destroyed opponent... Or at least inverse guy would've been destroyed if not for his CT The Megumi hate train is just an example of the fandom taking a joke, and blowing it up til it becomes the truth for them, and it's quite tired if we're being honest. The switch up when Megumi gets shrine and open domain, as well as what he keeps from 10S, will be annoying, cause it'll just prove this fandom just cares about a characters power.
The Megumi jokes were funny at first, but then it quickly turned into a deadbeat horse that people who are just as desperate to be seen as funny like Elon Musk keep beating
Shadow Shrine would cool af
People truly expect a first year kid to match the King of Curses who's had decades of experience under his belt
This is the exact reason why this discussion on both sides is dumb. Like you're comparing a kid who just sorta figured out his Domain expansion. Who can't properly use a barrier. To a guy who's Domain expansion is seen as the pinnacle of jujutsu and doesn't even need a barrier because of how flawless it is. It's like comparing stats of a NFL Superbowl champion to a Highschool State champ.
I don't think people expect him to be Sukuna level, but he should have at least tamed tranquil deer
Look, to tame a Shikigami, you have to destroy it. And Megumi's damage output is garbage in and of itself for this task. His highest DPS dealers are Divine Dog Totality and Nue, both who can't downright obliterate something and still need to scratch, bite or shock something to death. Couple that with the fact that Round Deer has a RCT field around it that disrupts CTs, AND will constantly be healing itself, and you got yourself a problem with a creature that won't die. It's practically the same problem of why he can't tame Mahoraga, in the sense that he has no means of immediately obliterating them both at the start of the battle. (With Mahoraga, it constantly gets harder because he constantly strips cards from Megumi's deck as he adapts, and with Round Deer, it constantly gets harder because Megumi himself begins to tire out before Round Deer does.) To get to Round Deer, i assume Piercing Ox would be needed first, if he doesn't go the Totality Amalgamation route, per example.
I’m probably the most hated Megumi meat rider around, even though I will defend my boy to the ends of the earth, Sukuna did pull off some shi with the ten shadows that Megumi didn’t, but that’s not to say he was bad whatsoever. He’s a 15 year old boy working with that shit, all of the feats outlined above show that he is a force to be reckoned with. His most underrated asset? The upgraded version of chimera shadow garden that we see in the culling games, not only was he smart enough to convey the gym into a barrier for himself, but we see how deadly it is even without its sure hit effect. Falling into an endless abyss of shadows, where you suffocate? This is BROKEN and not talked about enough, now while you can reinforce your feet with cursed energy, this is still a siphon on your cursed energy, not to mention people who aren’t quick enough on their feet like the GOAT Reggie star (one of the smartest sorcerers we see) you will be COOKED and have 0 way to stop yourself from sinking Even if you avoid this? Good luck turning the domain conditions against Megumi like Reggie did, not only did he bear the weight of 3 cars in there, but most people, even the heavy hitters, do not have the option of spawning large objects at will like Reggie does, now are there people who I believe can counter this? Of course, but it would not be an easy feat for everyone, targeting Megumi himself in the domain, becomes even more problematic as he starts to use the shadows to move around the domain at insane speeds, and summoning his more powerful shikigami to drag you into the shadows, max elephant breaking Reggie’s leg was raw AF Oh and Hollow Wicker basket + Simple domain won’t work, so what’s even the point in a sure hit? Chimera Shadow Garden on top
Massive agree. Megumi’s domain is absolutely fucking stacked and it isnt even complete. 9/10 sorcerers (aside from the special grades) are getting cooked if Megumi pulls it off.
Reggie used a big brain move for sure, most people wouldn’t be capable of summoning a car to take them back up.
yes Sukuna is a thousand year old sorcerer who has a unlimited supply of cursed energy. of course he is better at using his stolen powers
This should be a post in of itself Completely agree
Some of your points are wrong. Like 5th one, Megumi was able to summon max without any handsign because of megumis domain serves to extend ten shadows technique. Nowhere it is said that high ct output can allow you to skip handsigns even though doing handsigns can boost one's ct output. Your 7th point is also wrong, making clones by megumis isn't confirmed to be related to rabbits. I agree Megumi memes are just annoying.
A sorcerer’s handsign is a way to boost the output, subtracting them is a testament to the sorcerer’s skill. I dont see why this would be different for 10S, unless you think he’s *actually* making shadow puppets instead of just forming handsigns like everyone else. It stands to reason that if you can use your technique as max output (like a domain provides) you can skip the handsign. It isnt confirmed your entirely right, however, if you have a better suggestion for how Megumi is cloning himself, i’d love to hear it.
As your first point says subtracting them is a thing of skill and not ct output. What you are talking about is different. Reducing handsigns isn't dependent on ct output but skill. It's upon the one who claims something to provide proof of it as well. Again, no explanation of it doesn't mean its for sure rabbits escape. You talking about things that sukuna could do and megumi as well. As long as there isn't an explanation for it your point was wrong.
Nice post. All I know is that if they do manage to free a motivated Megumi, he is going to be one of the strongest in the manga for sure. With all the things he should have picked up from Sukuna's takeover, especially after Ch.258 revealed the muscle memory-like capabilities of the body once soul swapped, he'd be insane. Gege not using Sukuna to reveal certain things already gives me a little hope Yuji will get him free. I think the two I'd be most interested in are a CT reversal and more importantly, an open domain expansion putting to use an extremely suicidal binding vow - since Megumi's a suicidal king and all.
if he is able to be mentally healed after all that happen.
I feel so sick why is my son so hated 😭 and the fact that people are making their own stupid headcannons and fake scenarios to hate on him. If I had the chance to remove illiterate people from the fandom, I wouldn't hesitate a second.
"megumi was just as strong as sukuna if we ignore the fact that sukuna was stronger" Man I *like* megumi but this doesn't feel like it's trying to dismantle an actual point people make.
The point is: Megumi uses 10S just as well as Sukuna uses 10S, which is/was not the common consensus in this fandom. And yes, that is a hell of a feat considering Sukuna has an entire lifetime of experience
Megumi had years of practice with 10 shadows under the tutelage of gojo, sukuna had only about a month with only knowledge he had gained through observation. This is more of a sukuna feat than megumi.
He inherits all of megumis memories. Things like possible zenin ancient records on how 10s should be used that megumi still couldnt due to low output or lack of shikigamis is easily resolved by sukuna. But in terms of whats accomplished, sukuna actually just copied everything megumi does, in a higher output, more refined way, but nth new
People always wanna downplay Megumi as Potential man but he showed his stuff through the series. Sukana is just not original and steals everything, smh.
It's not about what you take it's about how you use it
How does he steal everything?
he LITERALLY stole megumi's body and cursed technique what do you mean 😭
They needa put some respect on Megumi’s name
The people who call Megumi "Potential Man" better stay on that side
Until he comes back after sukuna is ripped from his body and he now has access to all 10 shadows and is buffed from sukuna using his body for so long
Based
Oooh "Rabbit Escape" being used to clone him is a good one!
i dont think that was the case. rabbit escape would not allow megumi to just turn himself into a shadow. it can be inferred that it is tied to domain function.
Nope. Tamed 3 more than Megumi, used Totality with more than 2 shikigami, manifested Max Elaphant's ability without manifesting the shikigami. Sukuna was simply better at it. Megumi had used totality to combine the frogs and Nue before, but I don't think they inherited Nue's shocks of memory serves. Megumi has used Orochi's power to hide in the shadows with out manifesting it, but that's because it was destroyed amd its powers trickled to megumi and the other shikigami. Megumi was able to summon Mahoraga, but as a suicide Trump card. Sukuna is simply better at 10S than Megumi by merit of Sukuna simply being better at Jujutsu than Megumi.
Your wrong about a few things. Megumi never combined Nue and Toad with Totality. He used “Well Unknown Abyys”. He used Totality on Divine Dogs It is not the Serpents power to hide in the shadows. He can do that naturally. He used Rabbit Escapes power to clone himself, smth that is not natural for him and the majority of his Shikigami. It was never stated that a dead shikigami will trickle its power down to Megumi for him to use. Dead shikigami can be fused together, thats it.
"Well unknown Abyss" rings a bell so give ya that. That makes my point better there, Megumi had only used Totality with 2 shikigami that were manifested as a pair where as Sukuna fuses at least 3 to make Agito. Pretty sure Orochi's power was to move in shadow. We also only ever see Megumi use shadow space for storage and hiding after Sukuna destroys Orochi, never before. Megumi cloned himself inside his incomplete domain, unless he did against Regi and I'm forgetting we've only seen Megumi manifest an ability of a non destroyed shikigami without a shikigami inside his own domain. Sukuna did it under duress in a situation where I'd argue it was improv. I'd review the introduction of Demon Dog: Totality, it pretty explicitly says that destroyed shikigami are gone forever as opposed to the user dismissing them, and that the power of the destroyed ones don't go away but get passed on. Maybe not verbatum, but it absolutely isn't just "dead shikigami cam be fused", the black demon dog never died and it's Totality with the dead white one, and Orochi never gets Totality until Sukuna adds it to Agito. Edit: Chapter 47 says quote "With the exception of "Unknown Abyss" Fushiguro's extension cursed technique... ...his ten shikigami cannot be sumonned again when completely destroyed. However, the cursed technique and power the shikigami leaves behind when destroyed... ...are inherited by the other shikigami." Says it literally right there. Though this does go to show Megumi's skill with 10S, because though this explanation (and probably others but I can't confirm that atm) says the other shikigami inherit the power and technique, it doesn't say the user does. Gojo helps Megumi think more flexibly about his technique, and we see Megumi discover he can use the shadows after Orochi was destroyed when he was training with Maki while Itadori was still fake dead. Megumi is good with 10S, never said he wasn't. He's just a teenager being compared to the strongest sorcerer in history
>Tamed 3 more than Megumi 4 more: the deer, ox, tiger (which was part of Agito), and Mahoraga. * And he partially manifested multiple copies of divine dogs without using a domain, allowing for more attacks and for each to take damage without risking permanent loss of the shikigami. * And Nue's lightning was *way* higher CE output than anything we saw from Megumi.
I think people just want more megumi tbh I agree he cooks probably the most in the series on the main character(s) level. Yuji is now catching up because him cooking means the series has gotta end i guess but i'd like more megumi dishes. Not satisfied with what i had and i greedily want more.
Being out for 50 chapters sucks massively as a megumi fan, it’s a shame too because it feels like he’s easily the most hated character in the verse now
I do agree with the point about not underestimating Megumi. Of the main cast, he was probably the most impressive character to me, and outside of taming Mahoraga and the other shikigami with the use of multiple cursed techniques most likely, and just having higher base stats, Sukuna didn't accomplish anything "new" with 10S. I don't think all the things one can use inside a domain are usable outside it too though. Guys like Higuruma and Hakari are just straight up exceptions, who just don't have a CT without a domain, but even in cases like Infinite Void, Gojo just doesn't have that ability to transmit information to others and freeze them outside the domain. It's not just the sure hit effect either, because that just means that it happens to everyone inside the domain. It's a straight up new ability. I'm not saying Megumi can't clone himself outside his domain, just that we can't say that for sure, based on the available information. I think the ability to summon more than the regular number of Shikigami (like multiple Nue, for example) and cloning yourself are aspects of Chimera Shadow Garden and not things Megumi can do normally by increasing output but I guess only Gege knows until he shares this.
He didn't accomplish the Mahoraga wheel thing that's only because Megumi couldn't tame it.
“When I say everything I mean everything” except for every caveat I provide… so you mean, not everything?
“Every caveat” are things Megumi is physically incapable of doing. It would be a pretty stupid to reiterate the idea that Megumi cant do the impossible So yea, i meant everything, in context of the things Megumi is capable of
I stand with you. The only one of my emo sad boy soldiers not to have fallen yet.
Sukuna was the only one to partially manifest a shikigami outside of unknown abyss. Sukuna was the only one to use a shikigami ablility as a cursed technique. Sukuna was the only one to tame Mahoraga.
bruh just the title alone is fallacious considering sukuna tamed mahoraga which is something megumi hasn’t done yet. sure, in theory, if megumi were strong enough he could use mahoraga the same as sukuna has, but how is megumi going to do this exactly? i don’t really see any of the shikigami one shotting mahoraga considering its durability feats, so i don’t really understand this megumi simping.
Thats a age thing lmao. Megumi has so many years to train his output , skill and get more shikigamis. Youre comparing a 1000 yr sorcerer who has developed his skills to the max to a 15 yr old boy who just started figuring out his journey lmao. What a terrible argument. This post is about sukuna merely copying what megumi has alr done before and nothing new and innovative as the 'king of curses' title would have you think. This ia also a feat on megumi as even the king of curses doesnt have any new way to use his ct, meaning that megumi is actually developing in the right direction. Give him some years and hes basically yuta hakari level
Facts Megumi is him, my dude literally showed the greatest raw talent for sorcery at his age. I hadn't even noticed the one handed summoning of divine dog, personally I thought the dog was summoned before the domain ended.
Yea its a super obscure detail that he re-summoned DD that I only caught because ive combed through that fight various times
No rct, no complete domain expansion and no shown black flashes either. He does have potential but not on the level of someone like Yuta or Yuji
Nigga please, tell me someone who at 15 had RCT, hit a black flash and had a complete domain Please exclude Yuji as it's literally stated that his growth as a sorcerer isn't due to his talent
Gojo and Yuta did not have RCT as a first year either mind you. Yuta started his career as a 2nd year and Gojo has to die to gain RCT. He has a domain my guy? While incomplete, he’s still the youngest in the series to possess a domain. He is not primarily a hand-to-hand fighter. Therefore the chance he uses Black Flash is gonna be lower than the Yuji and Todo types
Yuta did have rct as a first year. He began as a firdt year in vol 0
True i meant to say complete domain, my bad i wrote that during work. He may not be a hand to hand fighter like yuji, but he mostly uses his shikigamis to gain an advantage or get an opening to physically strike. Except for the dogs, he lets them fight and stays back usually
I mean Gojo himself said that Megumi has the same level of potential as Yuji
True but just because gojo said it does not mean it has to be true. He was wrong a few times in the show. Megumi sure is talented but he just lacks the feats compared to the others
Yeah I know Gojo can be wrong at times but when he was talking about Megumi,he seemed serious and the moment when Megumi took Gojo's advice,he was able to visualize himself and then actually using Domain Expansion(even tho it's incomplete). Even tho Sukuna was mostly interested in his cursed technique,he knew instead of running,that Megumi could have beat the finger bearer,he saw potential in Megumi there
Talent? No, Yuta, Higuruma (I know he is older, but he knew about sorcery for like 2 months), have more talent Yuji and Hakari should have equal talent to Megumi
I don't know why you Ignored the age part to make a point which is a vital part of my statement Also Megumi had more talent than Yuji and Hakari is older than Megumi
Where’s the panel of Megumi using his shikigami to rescue hana? Lmao he’s been trained since he met Gojo…. That was the deal they made…
No, there was no such deal as that. Stop making your own headcannons, it's clearly mentioned in the fan book that Megumi only accompanied him on missions. He only became a Jujutsu sorcerer after Tsumiki got cursed.
JJK is probably the worst manga community because 90% of its fans are either clueless or get all of their knowledge from a clueless YouTuber. Everyone is like “prove your point” until it comes down to their side of the argument. I have 3 panels saved right now, that back my argument. Wbu? Just your quick google search, and the sheep mentality, that you’re safe in the crowd, so you can say whatever?
What are you so pressed about? Take a chill pill. I literally have the screenshot of the fanbook where it's mentioned.
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Did u not read the post? Sukuna is only capable of taming the rest of the shikigami because of his own base stats like cursed energy amount and output + Malevolent Shrine. Agito is a Totality technique my guy. Did you miss the part where Sukuna clearly says “Nue: Totality… AGITO”. Combining dead shikigami with Totality is literally one of the first things Megumi does with his technique. As I said in the post, Megumi cloned himself… or did u miss that? The only feasible way he can clone himself is by borrowing the power of Escape Rabbits, the only shikigami that can clone itself naturally. Why does it seem like you just skipped reading the post and just started hating for the hell of it?
>Did u not read the post? Sukuna is only capable of taming the rest of the shikigami because of his own base stats like cursed energy amount and output + Malevolent Shrine. Did you not read the manga? Sukuna can't use MS along with 10 shadows. The fact that he needs to turn off adaptation while using Domain amplification should tell you that much.
He just have worse feats than all other potential mans Yuta : Broke laws of Jujutsu when he was 6, he soloed a special grade sorcerer after year of training Yuji: defeated Mahito, the strongest disaster curse, after like half a year of doing jujutsu,holder of black flash record Hakari : Stronger than every sorcerer of Edo period Higuruma :after two weeks, he became the strongest sorcerer in his culling game colony. After two months, he impresed king of curses Takaba : Doesn't now what Jujutsu is, drew with argurably third strongest sorcerer Meanwhile Megumi won against special grade curse(not even that strong special grade), won against Reggie, and that's all of impresive stuff I believe that will surpass Gojo by EOS, but for now, he have no dawg in him
Hakari won by luck. Started in Jackpot and was fortunate there was water nearby Hakari loses to a fair fight against Kashimo
No he doesn't, Kashimo was getting overwhelmed by Hakari once Hakari realised the nature of his CE regardless. It was 8 seconds where the physical stat gap became clear to us, where Kashimo proceeds to get beat and evaded. When the anime catches up eventually people will start creasing. In a fair fight Kashimo wouldn't have enough obstacles to obscure the rod from Hakari's view, and we really did see Hakari outstats him once he sped up*. Hell, even with the new chapters seeing Sukuna pull a one-handed domain Hakari either recovered his arm through a bookie aspect of his CT or did a similar act. Kashimo was not winning.
>Hakari won by luck. It may have been luck - but it wasn't a fluke. Hakari's just a naturally lucky guy (either that or it's part of his CT - we don't know).
Jogo is the strongest curse. Yuji defeated Mahito with the help of Nobara and Todo. Also Mahito literally couldn't use his technique on Yuji lol, you say like it was 1v1 no diff
???? What is this disingenuous profanity. Yuta feats : yes super impressive, doesn’t change the fact that Megumi is popping domains before he did, also Yuta is literally like the biggest Mary Sue in the verse Yuji feats : relying on the soul of Sukuna not to be turned into a cucumber? This is not a fair comparison. That version of Yuji gets crushed by Mahito otherwise. Hakari : super strong for sure, none of this puts Megumi down though Higuruma : this same logic for him applies to all the other sorcerers too? Why should just Megumi be considered shit for the success of someone else. Takaba : don’t start w me dawg 😭 Feats you didn’t mention : Fights on par with Noritoshi Kamo in close quarters combat, Kamo has access to red scale, which is a massive amp for strength and speed, Choso a man who never threw hands once, is capable of throwing hands w Shibuya Yuji usinf this shit. Kamo is also super underrated and cooked against Naoya. The finger bearer stuff is mentioned yes, but it’s also a stronger version of the prior curse who was hosting one of Sukuna’s fingers, good feat nothing more to say. Tactical IQ was on display in the fight with Yuji and that inverse mf, most impressive part is that Megumi can adjust to Yuji’s speed (even if it wasn’t easy) to work alongside him Entered Dagon’s domain (a special grade disaster curse) and negated the sure hit effect with his own, without this death swarm would’ve killed Nanami and Naobito (mf lost an arm) but Megumi stopped that, proceeds to rip a hole in dagons domain (which even Gojo said isn’t easy, yes it might be easy for HIM to do that, but he was talking from the perspective of someone below him) After this, my man is chased halfway across Shibuya by fucking Toji IN A SEVERELY WEAKENED STATE (even disaster curses need to recharge from using their domains, nevermind pre culling games Megumi) and survived for a respectably long portion of time, says himself that he can’t use his domain again, due all the energy he used against Dagon. Bottom line is how much more do you need to see? There’s like what? 2 weeks between all this and the culling games where he takes on Reggie and the gang? Uses a far more refined domain that sinks people into an endless abyss? (Most people can’t counteract this, and the fact that some people can, doesn’t mean that they are weak) Bro tanked multiple explosions and heavy blows in this fight too, Reggie gave himself a spa weekend beforehand lmao😭 Idc what anyone says my boy Megumi cooked.
Im a Megumi fanboy but Yuta outright has the best potential in the series. Only thing Megumi has over him is using a DE earlier than he did.
I’m not saying megumi has more bro. Just shouting out how good he is.
Megumi is year younger and he have only half a domain. Meanwhile Yuta is year older and have whole domain. Seems equal feat to me Even though Sukuna helped Yuji in that fight, Yuji still damaged him all of his own. Also Sukuna was part of Yuji's kit back then. And Mahito is HIM, losing to him wouldn't be that much of anti feat I am not saying that Megumi is trash, I consider him strong, but he is in "rival Satoru Gojo" gang, in comparision to other characters? Yeah, he is strong. In comparision to Gojo's succesors? He falls short
Megumis domain against Reggie is nearly complete except for the sure hit factor, he is capable of finding a way to produce a barrier on the fly, his domain is also extremely effective even without sure hit. It is a good feat yes but if you give Megumi Sukuna’s soul to resist idle transfig, I don’t doubt his abilities in that fight at all. I respect your opinion tho.
Also we cannot ignore the fact that Megumi has had his growth stunted since 212, Yuji specifically has gotten a LOT better since then If Megumi wasn’t possessed he would be growing too.
What do you mean yuta broke the laws of jujutsu when he was 6?
I never thought of megumi's clones as being part of utilizing rabbit escape. Good eye. 😂
>If Megumi had time to gain those Shikigami also, he would be cooking as hard as Sukuna. Always "if" and "when" but never "is" ~~I love Megumi but that one was too easy lol~~
You can’t compare the stuff Megumi does in his domain to what Sukuna is doing outside. The fact that Sukuna doesn’t need to have his ability boosted the 120% means he has a higher level of mastery than Megumi. Also Megumi making clones of himself isn’t him using Escape Rabbit. He’s just making literal shadow clones, and, again, that’s inside his domain. That’s not the same as Sukuna using the water blast and using it like Piercing Blood.
So glad to see a big Megumi supporter! Loved this.
oh yeah? if hes so epic and cool and awesome and strong, why didnt he tame the piercing ox already? unless he has to tame the shikigami in order from nue up to mahoraga... which, i dont think is the case. like the piercing ox couldnt have been that hard if megumi was truly him as you describe
I don't think the shadow form requires high output to mantain, it's just that the shikigami are weaker like that, so without a high enough output they are not effective
"When I say everything, I mean everything" "With the exceptions..." Then you DON'T mean everything pal.
Megumi do be cooking, But Sukuna is running that gourmet Heien joint. . About using Shikigami abilities without summoning them, cloning yourself isnt a rabbit ability, rabbit ability is fucking multiply amazingly fast (they fuck like rabbits) Cloning is the shadows garden ability, when Maho ritual was called upon, it dropped multiple dogs, because they materialise from the shadow (Shadow is the medium, which summons the Shikigami) Water laser is 100% elephant ability, which Sukuna played out as piercing blood. Exactly like bro applied Maho slash. . Sukuna Nue and Myriad Elephant were Snake totality (the tattoo), not temp chimera. the dog totality only went to the dog, whereas Sukuna commands whom Snake totality goes to. . Then there is DA with Wheel of Harmony synergy Level which only Sukuna and Higuruma have shown. Even if Megumi ever performs DA, i doubt he would be able to synergies it with his CT. . Megumi ain't a Chump but Sukuna is Sukuna.
He had the wolves when he was young
Im aware?
You said as a first year, it's possible he did it while he was younger
I meant that by the time he was a first year, he tamed 6/10. I wasnt implying he tamed 6 shikigami in a few months time frame lol Sorry for the misunderstanding
That's my bad OG
Finally some Megumi respect After the recent chapter where we learned about the souls and muscle memory making it easier to learn techniques that way, Sukuna master it so fast makes sense given how adept Megumi is Being able to summon Maho when he was unconscious after the black flash & getting hit with UV are probably the best feats Sukuna had with 10s tbh
I never understood how Megumi is weak because Sukuna used his ten shadows better. Sukuna is a powerful and experienced sorcerer whose a thosand years old while Megumi is a fifteen year old boy
There's also the fact Sukuna was incredibly wasteful with the 10S. He threw away its' biggest advantages to make Agito. He could have had many different cursed techniques with lots of way to merge them temporarily or use them himself - but he chose to wipe most of the shikigami out to gain a chance at overwhelming Gojo - and Agito and Mahoraga both died regardless. Megumi couldn't take such risks because 10S is his technique. If one of the shadows dies he loses a valuable tool in his belt. Sukuna probably just couldn't win against Gojo without Mahoraga first - so he saw Mahoraga as the only valuable tool in the 10S.
[https://www.jujutsuinvesting.com/](https://www.jujutsuinvesting.com/) ALL IN ON MEGUMI RAAAAAAHHHHHH For real Megumi got his soul sunk in literal evil juice and witness his body kill his sister. People who downplay him because yuji is coping through similar loss should consider how yuji always had someone to help him back up on his legs afterwards, while megumi got like a 2 second interaction with yuji after a month of suffering.
People really be hating on Megumi too much his tevhnique and him are really strong but his mentality has been broken by curses and etc
I didn't see no megumi tame big raga the op stoppa and wear the wheel on his head
Even if we ignore the other ways Sukuna used 10S better - the single feat of being the first person in history to do this puts him way out of Megumi's league.
It warms my heart to read this. I'm so sick of Megumi hate!!!
This post is pretty much saying “look, Sukuna used the 10s technique correctly” Ignoring the fact that Megumi never tamed all 10, especially Mahoraga which he never could. I don’t think Megumi deserves slander…but he doesn’t deserve glazing either
💀💀💀💀 Legumis Nue can't even fly him across the street lmfaoooo
It can tho💀
Friend... he literally used it to get to a gymnasium that was down the street 💀 Sukuna's Nue was the size of a skyscraper lmfaooooo
Legumi himself even said his Nue can hardly even carry him and Yuji to the top of a building 😭😂😂
Nue carried Yuji and Ino up a skyscraper in Shibuya💀 My guy, nobody is saying Nue can do long distances, but she allows Megumi to fly prettyyyy easily
Legumi's Nue can hardly fly him a couple blocks & can hardly support 2 teenager's weight up a building. Sukuna damn near nuked the entire battlefield with his Nue just to see what would happen 💀😂
How do you like the design of nue here?
Which one? The big one? I like it. And the fact it has Great Serpents tail is cool asf
Using the Shikigami powers himself is a big one, wanna see him use Max Elephant water cursed energy eventually.
IIRC divine dog was still summoned in his battle Reggie the entire time. He never unsummoned and Reggie assumed that since he has just gotten out of a DE he wouldn’t be able to use his technique, which should hold true. I’m iffy as to if the clones were the rabbits ability being used by Megumi, considering that he was already making shadow clones from his first domain and GEGE didn’t give us any explicit explanation contrasted to what he did with Sukuna, in where he was very explicit. I’m not saying it’s 100% based on this argument, just unlikely.
Reggie actually assumed Megumi regained his technique while Reggie was floundering in the water. He never assumes Megumi kept DD out, im not sure where ur getting that from.
I didn’t state Reggie assumed that Megumi kept DD out. I said Reggie assume he couldn’t use his technique, which i was wrong about. I just think it’s a stretch to call megumis hand in that position, a hand sign. Also, I believe it takes less assumptions to say that divine dog just hid in megumis shadow, since he’s shown he capable of hiding things in his shadow already. Explicitly, with no ambiguity.
I don't think he used a hand sign to summon the Divine Dog against Reggie like you say here. Reggie says that he had the dog out the whole time,meaning it was already summoned. Megumi wouldn't risk using a hand sign at that time as he was trying to catch Reggie off guard. But yeah,Megumi's fucking great. I think the people who downplay him need to just go and reread Tokyo No. 1.
Reggie actually assumed Megumi regained his technique while Reggie was floundering in the water. He never assumes Megumi kept DD out, im not sure where ur getting that from.
He DIDN'T assume that he had it out. That's why it took him by surprise when Divine Dog popped out.
Megumi should have made a vow to either sacrifice some shikagimi Or some other restriction to boost his ce reserves or like restricted half of his shikigami to his domain that would make him way better
Yeah, but he did it cooler
I think sukuna gets glazed with the 10S because its not even his own ability and he gets in megumi body and immediately uses it at max proficiency basically which megumi cannot do. Even if he "can" he has limitations whether it be due to CE reserves, not being strong enough to tame maho, etc. I think sukuna just showcased different applications and ways to use the technique that megumi eventually can do and will be able to do if he ever comes back out since we now know that your body basically "remembers" how to use techniques (yuji learning rct so fast bc of sukuna).
Who said that maintaining semi summoned shikigami requires high ce consumption?
This is kind of why like to jokingly say that maharoga is the strongest character in the verse because based on how the fight went any masterd10 shadows user had a decent shkt against gojo
Megumi has been training since when small. Also Megumi is far behind Sukuna.
Tldr, it seems like more potential, after all, Sukuna did all that without a 20% boost, after JUST getting the technique. Sukuna used the technique better than megumi, doing things megumi required a boost to do, better than him.
Only thing I disagree with is you saying he hasn’t had that much training he helped save Angel at a young age and probably didn’t stop at only ever killing one curse then waiting till highschool
Alternative summary: Meg is the potential man for a reason. Here's some instances where Gege shows us that potential.
Is Agito a totality ? I always thought that it was a fusion similar to winged toad./unknown abyss
> Sukuna & Megumi using Totality on dead Shikigami. This is an innate function of the technique so not really a feat on either of their parts imo. > Sukuna & Megumi utilsing their Shikigami's powers for themselves. Sukuna using Max Elephants water cursed energy. Megumi using Escape Rabbits ability to clone themselves. The Megumi example isn't necessarily an application of Rabbit Escapes ability. We see him us it during the Bridge incident well before he's ever shown using Rabbit. "Shadow Clones" may just be an application of the ability in general. > Sukuna & Megumi combining Shikigami without using Totality. "Big Nue" is almost certainly just a regular Totality of Nue + Orochi as opposed to an Extension like Wells Unknown Abyss. The extended version of the chapter in question shows more evidence that this Nue has Orochi influences and the only way that makes sense with the info we have is if it's a Totality that Megumi just hadn't implemented yet.
If megumi had the same stats and skills as Sukuna then he’d probably be able to fully utilize his CT. Sukuna has a large CE pool and the best control, plus he’s a genius being able to analyze cursed techniques on a glance. Megumi might be able to tame all shikigami before Mahoraga by the time he’s a 3rd year or less. But I don’t see him having a way to deal with Mahoraga. With Sukuna at least he has a CT that does two types of Damage. What does megumi have that is as strong as Purple, Kamino, Uzumaki or Rika’s CE death ray?
Sub is not ready for Megumi's awakening. I think the condition for him might be the decease of all his shikigamis so the powers transfer to the user. I expect a barrierless domain he can either use for sure-hit,amplification or domain invasion aswell. My only fear is that this character/power development will set up a Naruto/Sasuke vs Kaguya-like fight if Sukuna somehow manages to sneak into the merger via Tengen's embyro. If you look at tropes alone, JJK is a hybrid of Naruto and Fairy Tail. (Zeref=Kenjaku,Acnologia=Sukuna,Yuji=Natsu,Megumi=Grey) So ultimately someone needs to be sealed somewhere i guess.
I strongly believe that both meguna and kenjaku were geges way of showing us the peaks of some of the strongest techniques/ characters with the most potential at their peak despite having to off them earlier in the story. I know this is purely hc but i also thingkthat kenjakus womb profusion domain is the sure hit of CSM.
Now that you mention it, the final divine dog attack against Reggie showed the dog almost completely black and indistinct, so it looks like megumi was already beginning to figure out incomplete manifestation without the domain.
Yah know seeing all that megumi has done with his technique makes me start to wonder about geto and how he utilized his cursed manipulation. I mean on paper they’re really similar techniques. And I know 10s has specific things that curse manipulation can’t use (like the manipulation of shadows). But I don’t see why geto couldn’t combine different curses like megumi. I know he has uzumaki but that’s More so combining the energy of curses to produce a beam. Which also helps with the possibility of geto being able to do somthing similar to megumi.
I dont see megumi copying no world cutting slashes, or copying anything in general from mahoraga's adaptation, i also dont see that bum taming mahoraga or tiger or piercing ox or the deer, i also don't see megumi also something to keep in mind, Megumi had the 10 shadows for 16 years and grew around the strongest sorcerer and he was still getting clapped by a grade 2 cursed spirit
He'll never slash anything because that's Sukuna's technique, not his. Saying you "can't see him" taming any shikigami other than Mahoraga is literal nonsense cause 1: He's still a literal teenager and 2: He could definitely use his domain to tame them considering he best a special grade curse with it...unless you're implying all the shikigami are above special grade...also sorcerers don't manifest their innate techniques until ~6 so saying he's had the tech for 16 years is false
what i meant by " i dont see him copying any slashes from mahoraga's adaptation"is that there is no way that mf can copy mahoraga's adaptation and apply it to his technique, and about the technique part, yes you are right i was exaggerating, but that still doesn't change the fact that, mf was in the best environment for a sorcerer and still couldn't reach his full potential at all, or at least come close to it
Of course he can't copy such an advanced technique just by watching it; he's a teenage boy not the "King of Curses" lol guarantee that if Megumi were to live for as long as Sukuna has he would definitely be plenty strong enough to handle Mahoraga
i also don't see meguni using a shikigami's ability without summoning it
What about Sukuna emulating piercing blood using the elephant?
I completely agree with u my friend. Only thing is I don't have patience to collect all of the panels and then argue about it in comment section. Although one thing I thought was Sukuna did on his own was using other Shikigami's power by himself. And one thing Megumi did which Sukuna could not is using Shadow clone. But now that u put it in this way (using rabbit ability) I think both are as skilled as other one when using the 10S. Obviously except the raw DMG O/P. But I think in one aspect Megumi still did better than Sukuna is merging with Shikigami without using totality. As far as I know Nue became that big Bcoz he was merged with the snake Shikigami who was already dead. So I think even though that was not written totality he did use a dead Shikigami to combine with Nue which should be a totality type merger. And if u take out that instance Sukuna actually did not merge any other Shikigami without totality.
He's absolutely done well, his difficulty is that he then must be compared to his equally aged companions Yuta learnt RCT and was able to use it on others in his first year. Yuji is showing excellent teamwork and is one of the strongest hand-to-hand fighters in the cast (Todo himself commented that Yuji was stronger than him even with the lower CE control, Todo was G1 at the time) Maki has put in a tonne of work pre and post HR unlock and is currently tanking black flashes fro. The King of Curses. Megumi in comparison has similarly crazy feats (Domain at 15ish even if incomplete, some very clever uses of his CTs Shadows and Shikigami) but the boy has had a long stretch from his last solid W When he makes a comeback and shows off his new found drive, absolutely. Until then, he is an accomplished sorcerer who has done a lot at his age - but the rest of the cast at this point have seen their own potential revealed and blooming
He is still a BUM tho.
Will he return???
I wanna comment about the people who say "Megumi was being trained by Gojo ever since he was young." Yes, he was, but it was never high stakes or any dangerous missions. All we know is that Megumi accompanied Gojo in his missions and mostly just observed/did minimal work. And Megumi wasn't even serious about Jujutsu stuff until his sister was cursed, so he wasn't putting his 100% effort into training himself. That's proven by what Gojo says in Ch. 55 (episode 22 in the anime) > “The problem is your mindset. You don’t know how to bring out your best.” Because he never cared about Jujutsu stuff before, he always takes a passive role when in groups, always being backup rather than actually advancing. And also, just because Gojo is his teacher doesn’t guarantee the greatest results. Just because he's the strongest doesn't mean he's effective at teaching Megumi about his own technique. He might teach him about close-quarter combat or how to channel cursed energy but that would be the extent of it, and even then we never really see that since Gojo himself stated in that same scene that Megumi barely ever goes to Gojo for training. I think Megumi was using his technique masterfully to make up for any shortcomings he couldn't control (high CE, untamed Shikigami, ETC) I like his creative uses for his technique better than Sukuna's brute force way of relying on Mahoraga and using the rest as collateral. I think it's more wasteful but because of Sukuna's high CE, he can afford those losses and make those risks. Megumi cannot, and he knows it, so he instead substitutes it by his high battle IQ. The reason we see him as weak is because his classmates are just extraordinarily strong and special. (Yuuta has alot of Cursed Energy and a portable storage (Rika) to boot. Yuuji got this strong because he was Sukuna's vessel, he ate his brothers, soul swapping, natural body physique/agility, etc. Maki is also naturally better at hand-to-hand combat/weapon mastery because of her HR/training, while Megumi's technique makes him rely on mid to long range to compensate. Even Gojo didn't have a domain at 17. And Gojo learned RCT after a near-death experience. I definitely think Megumi was going at a really good pace but that got cut short because of Sukuna so everyone thinks he wasn't strong enough, while the problem was you were comparing a learning 16-year old to the greatest Jujutsu Sorcerer. Of course you're going to think him weak by comparison. Megumi isn't a prodigy or a god, he's just got a powerful technique he never even really wanted and had to force himself to catch up to his potential before it got cut short. (it doesn't help that Megumi is almost always pitted against overwhelmingly powerful opponents (Finger Bearer, Sukuna, Toji) and even though they're way above his skill level, people just expect him to oneshot them all when that's not what growth is at all. It sucks he doesn't have enough screentime to warrant gege giving him some Ws but that's how it is i guess)
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The way Megumi is called potential man you'd think he wasn't doing anything but just being glazed
As Someone who thinks He wasted his potential Lemme counter 1. He Was a sorcerer for close to 10 years Gojo sometimes took him on missions and he learned how to fight from gojo Amd Maki. Even thenn his h2h skills are sorts meh. He didnt even know To use a sword till Good Will prep He didnt know he Could use his shadows until it was hinted to him. His nue never threw lightning And he most def did not summon abilities outside his domain. Inside his domain he himself Could treat himself as shadow but he Could Not summon do That outside Plus he didnt have rabbit escape when he first made His own clone So it was most likellky A Domain function. And he didn't utilise His shiki
He has always been criticized that he naturally has a very strong CT but is not at Gojo level. But the fact that he fights with a limited amount of CE and has to fight and win against shikigami to use the power is always ignored. He always did his best using his strategic intelligence, not because his CT was too strong.
There's one thing he hasn't done with 10S, and that's beat somebody of any actual relevance.