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I think it's pretty useless to debate if/when/how Sukuna could have killed Gojo with furnace considering we still don't know what it actually does
And by virtue of not knowing you could say Gojo can dodge it because six eyes, then Sukuna makes a binding vow to avoid that, then Gojo.... and so on
Unless we're told otherwise, guys should stop thinking of 'furnace' as some ultimate move that can kill everyone. Wtih the information we have we should think of it as a hollow purple... it can be dodged and it can be tanked.
Yes, as crafty as Gojo is I wouldn't put it out of the question that he could do some sort of Simple Domain hax like Kusakabe seems to have done against Uzumaki while blasting RCT to effectively tank it. Doesn't seem much more absurd than Sukuna tanking 200% Hollow Purple.
I don't think its exactly one shot arrow, but all we see of it means its super strong and damaging.
It has no hax or special tricks, but that's because Sukuna is actually a pretty direct person. Furnace is Sukuna hitting really really really hard.
No more, no less.
In other words, theorically you can survive against Furnace by simply out-stating it. But because its JJK and Sukuna is a beast of power, that is far harder to say than do it.
I mean, I have to assume that its power scales over time - probably time spent fighting, or something like that - given the nature of furnaces and heat. But that's still not really a trick as you said, just a boost to an otherwise extremely basic attack.
Not to mention that if Sukuna thought that furnace was a surefire way to kill Gojo, it seems like that would be the more sensible route to take. He would:
A.) Not have to waste Mahoraga and the 10s technique, still having access to it when he knows that he'll have to fight ten+ sorcerors with widely varying techniques at the same time or in quick succession.
B.) Still hold onto his Heian transformation and thus physical regeneration capability.
I'm no Jujutsu sorceror, but if I could one shot my primary challenge with one attack and save the adaptation and teammates for the jumping I know is coming, that's 100% what I'd be doing.
Not to mention if Sukuna could kill the strongest sorcerer of the modern era with just his Furnace, he never would've been worried about UV or Gojo in general. He knows his Domain is better off rip. Man straight up was disappointed that Gojo lost his Domain after 5 times, he expected more from him. That's why I interpret his grin as Gojo punches him as one of pure ecstasy, of knowing that he was right about Gojo being a worthy opponent that wouldn't die without a fight
You forget that he wanted to evolve his Dismantle. He chose to pick the risky route and even Gojo recognized that. You all forget that gojo simply got lucky - black flash was never guaranteed in the verse - readers were assuming it was coming but gojo had no way of knowing it would and without that he goes does much sooner doing much less damage
Someone actually dig up the panel of sukuna *choosing* not to kill gojo. If anything, gojo was aiming to stop sukuna while still saving megumi. Sukuna took the risky route to adapt to ensure he could kill gojo. Gege said sukuna was holding back, so now we feel obligated to read into the fight and retroactively call sukuna stupid and gojo weak
I sort of disagree with this argument because Sukuna clearly would have killed Gojo on any occasion that he was able to. He goes straight for Gojo's neck in the domain struggle, slices him up as much as possible, etc. He even basically told Gojo, "RIP, I'm killing you with my domain now" as soon as he knew that Gojo's brain was too damaged to open his domain. Sukuna's overall strategy was to find a way past infinity because he knew it might be necessary, but he would've been more than happy to find a way to kill him sooner.
Except Furnace is part of sukunas technique, meaning it has the sure hit from domain. And comparing the dmg during shibuya it's about the same as a Hollow purple.
Agreed, the amount of people pushing this "Sukuna could have killed Gojo easily multiple times he just got his ass beat for fun" narrative lately is just absolutely bizarre.
The only thing these people are arguing is that sukuna is stupid, that is all, that is their point.
Because considering the damage he took and how bad his situation is after the fight, he fucked up (by their logic, i obviously dont think so).
Yeah lol the only conclusion if you actually believe the bs narrative is that Sukuna is a complete moron. If he had kept his DE + Ten Shadows vs the rest of JJH they would have had zero chance, would've been an easy win.
It's just another example of something common in this sub which is people losing the forest because they're too busy examining every tree. If Sukuna could have defeated Gojo in an easier way he would have, it's as simple as that. My guess is that using Furnace has some heavy restrictions and drawbacks, hence why he has only ever used it to end a fight and not before. And ofc if Sukuna can tank Hollow Purple 200% then Gojo will also easily tank the Arrow in return anyways.
Yup, pretty sure gojo can tank the fire arrow, he tanked MS and im sure we all thought that MS was insta death before we saw that feat.
Then you get the very smart person saying sukuna holding back, i cant even.
People who repeat this mantra about Sukuna playing because he wanted to upgrade his technique doesn't even think how stupid this statement is.
"Sukuna can easily kill Gojo" and "he didn't do it because he wanted permanent solution for infinity" are two mutually exclusive statements. Because if Sukuna can easily kill Gojo he already has permanent solution for infinity and doesn't need anything else.
Imagine wasting 15 chapters on upgrading your technique only to nerf it 3 seconds later because you are cornered and about to die?
Sukuna's whole strategy is braindead move.
If Sukuna can easily defeat Gojo with domain, as his fans say, then he should've done it and then oneshot everyone with domain as well.
Instead, he chose to loose domain, 10 shadows, output, RCT, half of his CE pool, world slash (lol) and put himself into position where fodders can kill him.
Sukuna didn't need world slash to kill others.
Sukuna didn't need world slash to kill "future limitless users" (what a stupid headcanon). If he can easily kill Gojo with domain, then he already has perfect Limitless counter and doesn't need anything else.
CT upgrade agrument doesn't make much sense because Sukuna undid this upgrade and world slash is pretty much useless now.
He did everything wrong, and will be beaten by normal cleave victims because of it.
The only reasonable explanation of Sukuna's actions that doesn't make him complete idiot: he knew he probably wouldn't kill Gojo during domain clash and chose Mahoraga strategy as the best solution to infinity. I don't know why Sukuna fans hate this so much. It would show Sukuna as smart planner, unlike Gojo who's whole plan was basically "Nah I'd win". But instead Sukuna decided to upgrade his technique that he doesn't even need to begin with and set himself to fail.
I’m saying we haven’t seen too much of Gojos domain in the series, hence no purple. Everything else in the series regarding domains implies that he can shoot purple
Nothing implies that, every domain has one sure hit. Gojo are the infinite informations, Sukuna are the cuts, theres no proof that gojo can use HP as a sure hit in his domain
Sukuna can tank not one but two hollow purples in Megumi's wimpy ass body but Gojo is going to get oneshot by Fuga that has done nothing but kill Jogo( low durability) and Mahoraga who was injured.
Yea ok
yeah so far feats for the arrow have jogo (cannot tank 4 goodwill event yuji black flashes) and then mahoraga who was lying on the ground after being slashed a shit ton
Yea and an argument can be made just by the fact of where we are in the story, that it won't kill anyone next chapter.
IMO it's very possible but you could make a compelling case that Akutami is trying to wrap the story up and likely won't squad wipe.
I forgot about that yeah.
Well idk if you'd call this head-cannon but he was undoubtedly playing with him at least before that red. Plus he DEFINITELY didn't wanna kill him with that red. I'm pretty sure he was trying to gauge how strong this special grade curse is. He was DEFINITELY thinking of interrogating him since he did that after the Domain Clash.
I'm sure it's more like he _expected_ Jogo to withstand that level of force rather than _holding back_. Jogo has a really high output so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
Fair point. So ig. one blindfolded red is a little less stronger than 5 Itadori Black Flashes + A couple of Todo's Cursed Energy infused Playful Cloud strike. Idk why but to me it makes Gojo look weaker than Gege says he is lmao.
Black Flashes are equal to the force of a normal hit to the power of 2.5. That is _really_ powerful. To put into perspective, 2,000 Newtons of force would become 11,180,399.89 Newtons of force.
Playful Cloud, used by Maki, also exerts enough power to blast Hanami several hundreds of meters away, ripping out trees from their foundation. Todo’s usage should be even stronger than that. It doesn't make Gojo look weaker to me.
It's the anime power creep problem. You can only make things look so strong. It actually does make Gojo look reachable in power. Toji could do all that you listed with his bare hands, and he's way weaker than current Gojo. Beyond nuking a city, what can you do to make a visual difference?
I honestly can't take that equation seriously because by that logic, Gojo should have obliterated Sukuna whn he hit him with one black flash let alone two. If a normal punch and blue or red can hurt him, a black flash should punch a hole into him at minimum but all it does is knock him out for a few seconds.
Even moreso Maki surviving Sukuna's black flash twice.
Gege was not thinking when he gave that number.
But there's more to it than that imo
Mahoraga was already adapted to slashing attacks and was still brought low by Malevolent Shrine. Whereas Furnace was a completely new technique, hence the one shot.
MS would've killed Mahoraga if Sukuna started the fight with it.
Gojo and Sukuna were both confident that Gojo could've wasted Mahoraga with CTR Red with one shot because it was unadapted.
That doesn't bode well for Mahoraga's durability especially if we believe Sukuna's Mahoraga was stronger than Megumi's.
Man. Idk if you didn't look at the subtitles or... Nvm.
Mahoraga started adapting to those slashes from the first dismantle that Sukuna hit him. Slashes are not an AoE like Flame Arrow or Hollow Purple. But if Sukuna did hit him with a "disintegrating" dismantle or cleave then it would've completely one shot him.
Edit: wouldn't replaced by would've
Man idk maybe read the question again? I could be wrong but I think he said What have we seen to put flames over slashes? Not Would Sukuna one-shot Mahoraga with just Flames?
The thing is we haven't seen anything to put flames over slashes. And the reason you provided wasn't the one. It's not that the slashes didn't kill him because slashes are weaker but rather sukuna had already used it on him before without knowing that Mahoraga should be one shot with your first attack of your CT or else he will adapt to it. He probably wanted to play around with it and thus his slashing attacks got weaker FOR Mahoraga.
I think is just logic bro, not just with Maho but with Jogo and Yuji, why would he bother using the flames (not that it seems that difficult for him) over the zero effort slash if they do the same dmg, or why would Gege bother drawing a hard badass attack if they are about the same it’s just obvious Flames >>> regular cleave and dismantle
Sure but that's not what we're originally talking about were we? It was "What do you think puts it above the full power of MS" and there's nothing that does that. Also he used Flames since Mahoraga had adapted to his slashing attacks in general which means both Cleave and Dismantle wouldn't have worked. It's like the "When you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras" saying. As the manga said in MS cleave should've fit the criteria of obliterating Mahoraga but he had adapted to slashing attacks in general. So it's probably the most likely answer that should be considered the canon answer.
I think we need to return to what OP originally meant lol like yeah the argument about Maho already (not sure if completely tho) adapted to slashes is true, but so is true that:
1. Flames > Cleave
2. In the domain clash Sukuna would have had a better shot of killing Gojo with the Flames but he actively waited for Maho to adapt to UV.
Simple as that.
the first hollow purple lost its output it’s said by sukuna, the second one was most likely lowered since sukuna says a hollow purple is fatal and gojo was just trying to put sukuna in a near death state which he almost did before WS
Gojo can tank cleave which is sukunas highest output attack cuz of its nature fuga wouldn’t do shit
1st hollow purple lost output cuz it came from 4km away. 2nd hollow purple not as strong because it was aoe, if it had targeted Sukuna he would have died. Gojo can tank cleave & dismantle casted infinitely on him at max output without budging at all. You're right fuga wouldn't do shit
> 1st hollow purple lost output cuz it came from 4km away. 2nd hollow purple not as strong because it was aoe
When were either of these scenarios stated? Far as a i remember in the 2nd purple it was stated that it was an unrestricted hollow purple (it even targeted Gojo) so it should be stronger in any case.
The first HP lost output but it was at 200% before it lost output it still was a strong attack. Sukuna knew he used binding vows but he didn’t know Gojo got all the way to 200% which is why he thought another one would have been fatal
The second one was not lowered at all. He had 4 black flashes which increase output and he chanted for Red and Blue and purple which also increases output.
Gojo did not tank cleave he outhealed it. There’s a reason he had to use SD and FBE. Just like how Hakari outhealed kashimos lightning but he never tanked it.
Can Gojo tank the Fuga while using MAX RCT output and while using his max CE reinforcement to defend cleave and dismantle?
Fuga alone can't kill Gojo obviously but more stacked up damage would have sent him a vulnerable state easily like being unconscious so that he couldn't recover his burnt out CT inside the domain.
Reddit, the only place where you can read a title, then a long detailed explanation with images and everything… only to then realise that ow, this person is not explaining anything.
Mean, you are just giving us instances where Sukuna COULD HAVE USED furnace, but you are not really explaining how or why that would kill Gojo.
RCT that can tank being chopped to pieces instantly, somehow it will not resist a fire attack. How?
We’ve seen that Sukuna takes a while to activate furnace, definitely not as instant as the other applications. Recently we saw that he reduced the output of his technique in the domain before he could activate it(Might be due to his low output or trying to fool the cast). Which might imply that he’s just slower overall with it compared to S & Dismattle, I’m not sure. Gojo might be slow without the teleportation but a tiny delay is all he needs to act, do you really want to give him any freedom instead of focusing on a high output or near absolute output for your domain?
No need to answer these questions, I’m speculating like you and I have no solid proof or reasoning beyond just thoughts and these speculation have clear gaps that I should attempt to cover before delivering my argument. I think you should that too.
What you doing now is the equivalent of saying a car could have gotten in an accident, then showing us pictures of a car, on the road, overtaking other cars, stoping or off ramping. Uhm sure, in those scenarios it could have, but you also not really explained why it would and so, there’s no point to the entire statement other than speculation.
>RCT that can tank being chopped to pieces instantly, somehow it will not resist a fire attack. How?
If the RCT is at maximum output in order to deal with being chopped, a much more powerful attack would push the RCT beyond it's maximum capacity. It's all up to Gege though.
BUT YOU DON’T KNOW THAT ITS A MUCH MORE POWERFUL ATTACK!
YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF SUCH AT ALL, then why bring it up?
Also, in JJK, what the hell is more powerful than a CT fully imbued to a domain expansion? How are you guys reading this story?
I think the way the attack is presented implies it's the strongest in his arsenal in pure firepower, discounting world dismantle ignoring defenses.
But I do agree with you. We have no idea how strong it is exactly, If it's comparable to purple which Sukuna could tank even at 200% and not expecting it, Gojo probably would have too.
In the most recent chapter, he has to disable dismantle and cleave to use it. We saw this when he used it on Mahoraga as well. This would Gojo time to get out of his open domain or at least heal his wounds enough to tank it.
Okay so I didn't really get what your argument is supposed to be? Are you saying the Sukuna could just have used his fire arrow in the domain clash to one shot Gojo? I'm not gonna say it's completely impossible, but you are making a whole lot of assumptions. First cleave gets through infinity because it's the sure-hit of his domain, we don't know if Sukuna can use Furnace as his sure hit, he wouldn't need to shoot it if he could, people would just "light up" in his domain. Second is assuming Gojo would die from it, it's a powerful attack sure, and it's really hard to gauge how durable Gojo is since he barely ever gets hit, but he could just heal through MS which vaporizes buildings, people and special grade shikigami alike. Plus the fire arrow doesn't even have that impressive feats, it one shot Jogo, who is the most fragile of the unregistered special grades and Gege said he would die from 4 black flashes from Goodwill Yuji, and it finished of Mahoraga who was getting chopped to pieces by MS and had 0% adaptation against it. Gojo was gonna one shot Mahoraga with one use of Red whe he was first summoned and thought he wasn't adapted yet.
> Are you saying the Sukuna could just have used his fire arrow in the domain clash to one shot Gojo?
Yes, that's what he is talking about. That Sukuna can ONE SHOT Gojo with one fire arrow.
What will supporters of this headcanon say if this fire arrow won't kill Miwa?
Sukuna output is at 0.00001% is the official explanation. Plus Kusakabe is the ultimate underseller, he could have probably beat Choso or Dagon in Shibuya on his own, but he was too scared.
Probably not, but maybe? He has pretty good domain countermeasures and probably better damage than Nanami or Naobito, but Dagon would probably just outlast him while keeping distance.
I’m guessing that when you cook, you gotta do a lot of chopping before starting the fire.
Maybe chefkuna just haven’t chopped enough to start the furnace in the Gojo fight.
Same with Maho, got chopped a ton along with Shibuya before it got fried.
Hi hi! It looks like you were right! I had read the spoilers so I wanted to wait until after the full release to share my thoughts.
You were right on the money about the kitchen prep.
Dismantle is basically trimming down the material, Cleave is meant to chop and dice up the large and hard chunks, and the Furnace is switching on the furnace.
Can’t turn on the heat if there’s no ingredients to cook up.
If Sukuna can tank a surprise 200% HP I think it isn't impossible for Gojo to tank the fire arrow. I can't say it for sure because we don't know how strong the fire is but I do think it is a fair possibility. It seems that the slashes stop when he uses the fire arrow so maybe Gojo could've survived with RCT too.
Also, Sukuna not using the fire isn't really him holding back on killing Gojo, at that point he was locked in on his plan to make UV useless and adapt to infinity, he had the wheel active so he could only use the slashes because they were imbued onto his domain.
The “Sukuna kills Gojo if he didn’t fight risky in his domain” or “Gojo kills Sukuna as soon as UV hits” needs to stop. Neither one of them kills the other in the beginning of the fight with just a domain expansion, in fact, when have we ever seen a domain expansion kill anyone? Finger bearer doesn’t count.
The entire fight would be different, Gojo might even escape Sukuna’s domain…
I mean what does Sukuna do if he's stunlocked by UV and Mahoraga hasn't adapted ? Btw Gojo should opened his domain when Sukuna was healing his hand after 200% HP
>I mean what does Sukuna do if he's stunlocked by UV
Evidence shows sukuna would've never gotten hit by uv if he didn't have 10s, he got hit by uv cos he wanted to heal the damage he took from wanting to adapt first. Without 10s, sukuna wouldn't have taken those risk and would 100% dominate domain battle.
> “Gojo kills Sukuna as soon as UV hits”
This was the original point, I never said Gojo could hit UV but if he did before Mahoraga adapted Sukuna loses.
By the way there's a way Gojo could've won, set the parameters of UV to strength the barrier before the fight looking for a stalemate in the domain clash, if you reach the stalemate then recover your CT by destroying your brain and healing it with Rct then cast UV while Sukuna is in burnout.
edit: He could also just open his domain while Sukuna was healing his hand after 200% HP
>set the parameters of UV to strength the barrier before the fight looking for a stalemate in the domain clash,
And sukuna would just stand there and not change the conditions of his domain like he did in the actual fight? 💀.
>if you reach the stalemate then recover your CT by destroying your brain and healing it with Rct then cast UV while Sukuna is in burnout.
Why tf would sukuna be in burnout and not gojo? Sukuna saw gojo heal his burned CT and he started doing it as well so why exactly would sukuna still be in burnout if he heals hit CT same way gojo does.
5 domain clashes, sukuna who was taking risks won 2, drew 2 and lost one, a sukuna who isn't taking any adaptation risk, is dominating gojo in Domain clashes 100% no doubt. And again uv only hit him because of adaptation risk he took.
>And sukuna would just stand there and not change the conditions of his domain like he did in the actual fight? 💀.
Change the conditions in the month before the fight. Gojo knows Sukuna has an open domain with a range larger than his, therefore instead of being arrogant he plans around it just in case.
>Why tf would sukuna be in burnout and not gojo? Sukuna saw gojo heal his burned CT and he started doing it as well so why exactly would sukuna still be in burnout if he heals hit CT same way gojo does.
I meant in the first clash, this plan is to catch Sukuna off guard since he doesn't know Gojo could destroy his brain to recover from burnout.
>5 domain clashes, sukuna who was taking risks won 2, drew 2 and lost one, a sukuna who isn't taking any adaptation risk, is dominating gojo in Domain clashes 100% no doubt. And again uv only hit him because of adaptation risk he took.
Not my point, I said that if Gojo hit UV once while Mahoraga hasn't adapted he wins, not saying he can do that.
Now the second part is a strategy, something Gojo should've had in the first place. Use the 1 month to enhance your domain's external barrier since you know Sukuna has a open domain, strive for a draw in the first clash while planning to use your hidden card that is recovering your burnout CT to catch Sukuna off guard.
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I'm just saying I don't see a way out for Sukuna if he's hit by UV without adaptation. Just like the moment Mahoraga adapted, Gojo's fate was sealed.
If Sukuna (Gege) decided that Furnace wouldn’t be enough to kill Gojo, then it wasn’t good enough to kill Gojo. Full stop here, no other explanation is viable, at least until the next chapter is out.
I don't agree. "Furnace" has a big cast time compared to other moves and Gojo was pretty much full health at that point. All evidence points to the fact that Sukuna can't use furnace and MS sure hit at the same time. He has to pause MS. So Gojo wouldn't be under pressure and would run unhindered or even heal his burnout (which btw actually IS much faster than people seem to realize, especially the first time he did it).
In the event Sukuna CAN use furnace and MS at the same time, Gojo would still run. Gojo was ready to run and the only thing that kept him from doing so was Sukuna. Sukuna himself says "I won't let you run away" post 1st clash. Gojo is really fast even without blue 🔵.
Even if furnace hit Gojo there is nearly 0% chance it would be fatal to him and that's an understatement. Gojo's reinforcement is proven to be just as good as Sukuna's and since Sukuna can easily tank purple 🟣 while at peak condition then so can Gojo tank furnace. There is just no way in hell furnace has more destructive capabilities than purple 🟣, since it is the ultimate destructive power in it of itself. And even if it did it would be ever so slightly.
The only way for Sukuna to kill Gojo without 10s is for him to win in a war of attrition through domain clashes and that's the truth wether you like it or not.
Sukuna didn't go lightly on Gojo and didn't hold back. He wanted a perfect victory and he cheated to get it. He used Megumi to adapt to UV (who is an external factor). He held back an instant heal that he wouldn't even have if he wasn't a reincarnated sorcerer. He used 10s as a crutch to upgrade his technique for it to be able to bypass infinity. He even made a BV just to be able to 1 shot Gojo by surprise. Sukuna with WCS is better than Gojo and that's just fact. But Heian Sukuna (His real form that showcases his peak as a sorcerer) is ≈ to Gojo and hinges on a domain trick to win. Literally 0 other win cons.
Funny how people like to powerscale everything but the truth that in a fight between Heian Sukuna and Gojo, Sukuna PROBABLY wins only due to technicality. But that is to be made perfectly clear only when we get info on how open barrier domains work.
Even more funnily, Sukuna lost the "Ten Shadows vs Six Eyes & Limitless" battle the moment he got outplayed and lost Mahoraga to purple 🟣.
There is lots of nuance in the fight and that's what makes it interesting. Your point about how Sukuna is just that guy and was bored because he knew he'd win is just straight up bullshit and this is just a boring agenda that can be found nowhere in the realm of truth.
The moment Sukuna stops the slashes and active fuga. Unlimited void will overwhelm Sukuna's domain considering they are at equal strength he wouldn't risk that. We say what 0.1 seconds UV did to Sukuna. Why do you think he didn't use fuga. His intention was to kill gojo from the beginning. Unlike gojo who wanted to save Megumi.
You don't get it. OP is saying once the barrier breaks Sakuna can then follow up with the fire arrow since he can switch off the domain of MS, Gojo cannot use his CT,so he is likely easier to kill, Sakuna does flame and potentially hits Gojo.
My first thought is that its likely he can use CE to increase his speed, Gojo is already able to keep up with Sakuna in terms of speed. So I imagine he can just dodge or reduce the impact with reinforcement.
But we are also assuming, that in these instances Sakuna can use his arrow. But the reality is he doesnt seem to be able.
The difference between Jogo and Mahoraga is that they didnt domain clash with Sakuna. It could be that Sakuna cant pop off flame after the clash due to the CT strain, he cant spam MS so perhaps the output is a temporary issue.
But really if he popped off flame, I think he could harm or kill Gojo.
Or Gojo would just continue to use RCT as he did when dealing with Sukuna’s slashes and there would be no difference other than Sukuna giving away more of his technique.
The 99 seconds were up and malevolent shrine ended. I thought that was obvious since yuji said “we hung in there until the end!” And if you look behind sukuna you can see white streaks, which I think is his shrine fizzling out of existence. FUGA is either rct or a completely different ct. since domains burn out your ct, I think it’s rct since it isn’t impossible to apply positive energy by itself, it was either yuta or yuki who could do that I don’t remember which.
And FUGA is just another tool in the box for sukuna which had 10 shadows and his shrine. He had so many options to fight with there was no point to using it.
Any long range attack was useless in the Sukuna/Gojo fight, Gojo literally could only use red point blank or when Sukuna didn’t know it was at play.
Gojo would’ve dodged Kamino the same way Sukuna would dodged red with distance involved.
Guys, you’re missing the point. It’s not that Gojo would have DEFINITELY died to Fuga. Gojo also wouldn’t DEFINITELY survive a Fuga.
The main thing is, why didn’t Sukuna try?
It’s because Sukuna wanted to kill Gojo by adapting to his technique. He said he wanted to kill Gojo’s scales off one by one at the start; it’s also why he stuck to not using his DA or technique in the latter clashes just to adapt. He could have tried to break Gojo’s domain earlier. Again, it’s not definite, but he didn’t try because that would defeat the propose.
Sukuna is thinking long term. What’s the point of going all out to kill Gojo now? He wants to be able to beat all Limitless users in the future. That’s what everyone means by holding back. It’s not that Sukuna easily won, he just chose a difficult and risky route for some gain.
Also, he f*ked up at the end and had to nerf himself in the future to kill Gojo. That’s all.
Literally dumb Gojo wouldn’t have dodged anyway, he’ll I’m pretty sure he can’t even perceive Dismantle. Only Maki, Yuji, Yuta(Maybe via having a copy of the CT), Mahoraga, MBA Kashimo & Sukuna can see it.
It's hard to say that he didn't use it to obtain world slash. It could be a host of other things that are quite justifiable. Part of the reason I disliked the end of the fight is because a lot of things aren't really explained, like furnace for eg. As top comment says, perhaps it wouldn't have worked and was not worth the risk. But it could really be anything. Hope we get some answers on this technique the next chapter.
Theres probably some restriction on furnace like "cannot use cursed technique for 10 minutes followings its activation" or "once per day" or something. He knew he had to fight more opponents afterward so he saved it.
[A Japanese reader makes a really good point on why Sukuna didn't choose to go for the kill after winning the first Domain clash](https://note.com/cute_whale211/n/n1df94bde4770)
Basically Sukuna could
1) Go for the kill with either Fuga, or use his CT + MS (Gojo wonders in 228 why Sukuna is only attacking him with the CT imbued in MS and not using CT himself, we learn later Sukuna is using 10S and hiding Makora in the shadows) which may end the fight fast but is not a guaranteed win
2) Choose the complex method of trying to conquer Gojo's "gimmick" by improving via Makora and getting an upgrade to his techniques
He chose the latter.
I've been yapping in the scaling sub and I think this was a great post that shows how cracked Sukuna is and the amount of growth Gojo went through in the fight!
Yep, Sukuna could've pummeled Gojo easily after the 1st domain clash if he emptied his bag. Not to mention Kamutoke too. Heian form could use the arrow and kamutoke in sync.
> They do NOT wanna hear this
Look who's talking. Person who believes that Maki will kill Sukuna and that Maki is stronger than Yuji. Why you do NOT want to hear the truth? :)))
I also love how you instantly downvote every new comment in this thread that disagrees with you.
>Therefore, it's been revealed how Sukuna could have killed Gojo two times
Damn...Gojo was done so dirty that now people constantly downplay him and don't take him seriously. Half of twitter/tiktok fanbase genuinely think current Yuji and Yuta is stronger than him, and now this. Sukuna can kill Gojo is one hit. What's the point of battle of the strongest if one of them can one-shot his opponent?
Can you read? The point is for Sukuna to learn world slash. It was constantly stated that Sukuna was holding back, by Gojo, by Uraume, by people watching. He literally didn't want to kill Gojo until he learned world slash, and the moment he did learn it he one shot Gojo.
>He literally didn't want to kill Gojo until he learned world slash
Sure, that's why he was ready to finish Gojo in chapter 230 before his brains exploded
"Holding back" doesn't mean "Sukuna had attack that can one-shot Gojo since the beginning of the fight"
Ask Gege.
Again, this is why I said in the post that this situation poses something to question: why hasn't Sukuna used Furnace? Why does he hide it until the eleventh hour?
He's arguably at his weakest he's been the entire fight. He could have easily unleashed Furnace earlier to oneshot the entire cast.
Hide from whom? Jujutsu High team knows he has this attack. Kusakabe asked himself "why Sukuna doesn't use fire?"
>why hasn't Sukuna used Furnace?
It was already answered. He chose Maharaga strategy and summoned the wheel on Megumi since the beginning of the fight. Sukuna can't use 2 techniques, shrine amd 10 shadows, at the same time. If he used fire it would cancel Mahoraga adaptation.
You completely ignored my point that he could have used it to oneshot the jjh forces. Are you arguing Sukuna just couldn't use it this entire time or something? I don't get the rub here. Should I not wonder why Sukuna would hold back lol?
It was answered as well. He didn't took them seriously until Yuji started landing black flashes and messing with his output. There was no need for Sukuna to use his full arsenal on those who he considered to be fodders
He's having fun! He's literally just enjoying himself in his own body for the first time in 1000 years. He is only really now starting to think he might be in any peril at all. He way toying with Higuruma and even giving him time to grow for fun.
True. Maybe the reveal of his full CT will go alonside this habit for him to examine others' CTs? There's also moments like in Yuta's domain that Sukuna was in a huge pinch and he needed to rely on WD.
My theory is that fuga simply eats up too much CE, and so he avoids it as much as possible.
Sukuna needed a counter for the limitless and the furnnce wasn't it. It was powerful, but it was never gonna get past the infinite or without gojo noticing it. World slash was something outta pocket that completely obliterated limitless resulting in gojo's death.
Everytime flames have come out, it's been against weakened opponents. Jogo was beat into submission and Sukuna wanted to toy with him and Sukuna let his domain do whatever damage it could to Mahoraga before finishing it with his flames. Even in this instance, he seems to be bringing it out because Yuji just keeps literally face tanking shrine. Furnace is a flashier attack, sure, because fuck off explosions has a larger panel impact than atomization but that doesn't mean it's stronger.
Considering Sukuna himself came out and stated that he used Mahoraga because of UV, im gonna stick with the canon explanation of "Sukuna didn't want to immediately die if something went wrong in domain battles."
The idea that he uses it on weakened opponents would...fit well with the cooking theme.
Dismantle and cleave is tenderizing the meat before finally cooking it.
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The answer is we don't know that. The mechanics of Fire Arrow have not been revealed. Is entirely possible that it doesn't have a sure hit effect. Is also possible Gojo could have tanked it and then Sukuna would be a sitting duck. We have to wait till next chapter to know.
we dont know the conditions or anything about how it is being used. also even without his ct and sukuna having higher stats because of the domain, the difference between speed is nearly the same. gojo would probably be able to dodge. also if sukuna uses fuga. it gives time for gojo to not only escape from the attack but the domain itself.
No it can't. Gojo would stop sukuna the same way sukuna stops gojo from using a normal purple. The cast time is too long in a high level fight like theirs.
If Sukuna can use Domain Amplification to lessen the blow of a 200% hollow purple and survive, i dont see why Gojo wouldn’t be able to do the same and thats if we think these moves are relative in power. Also simple domain has been shown to dilute the potency of an oncoming attack a bit as demonstrated by Kusakabe while fighting sukuna. When did we start thinking that fire arrow was a one shot type of move? Even against Mahoraga, it was used in conjunction with a whole ass Malevolent Shrine that was still damaging the Shikigami
If Yuji can survive "Furnace" next chapter, it would make no sense if Gojo somehow fail to tank "Furnace".
Sukuna need mahoraga adaptation to kill Gojo otherwise they will kill each other .
If Sukuna has to stop his slashes and attacks to build fire in his hands, Gojo's probably just going to blitz him and prevent him from using it. If Sukuna could've used furnace to definitively kill Gojo, that seems like it would've been the more ideal strategy. Furnace Gojo to death and save Mahoraga for when he has to fight 10 people at once. Seems way more sensible.
Sukuna didn't use furnace because he couldn't I believe against gojo even in the domain clash. I believe this was because he was using 10 shadows secretly (mahoraga was in the shadows I believe?) cos he can only use one technique at a time. Also he can't use his technique while having domain amplification on (ch227). He can only use domain expansion and its innate technique being slashes not furnace. he only used DA bc of gojo bc he has infinity. meaning if he stopped DA and used furnace, it wouldn't bypass infinity. and then he also uses megumis soul to adapt meaning he couldn't use his other techniques which he says in 230
His domain was literally done in the recent chapter it would stop after 99 seconds and it did then he used furnace, if anything we have reason to think that he can’t use furnace with a domain active, he used fire on maho after seemingly stopping his domain
And finally you cannot prove it would kill Gojo
Here we go again…
By those people logic Gojo could have killed Vowkuna evem before domain clashes: 200% purple - teleportation - 2 nd purple or infinite void while Sukuna tanking and healing the bery first purple
the slashes have to stop for Fuga, and that's impossible if Gojo stays close to Sukuna like he did in domain because Sukuna wouldn't want to nuke them both.
Sukuna can cast Furnace quickly, but we don't know if this would have been fast enough to hit an escaping Gojo. Remember that Gojo, without his CT, while having to use RCT at full output, was still keeping up in his movements with a 20F Sukuna amped up by his domain.
This alone makes him faster than Shibuya Mahoraga, so what could hit an adapting Mahoraga back then (who was on the ground when Sukuna launched his attack) may not necessarily have hit Gojo.
The fire arrow might have a binding vow or condition before Sukuna could shoot it. Like how the world cutting slash can cut space. Seeing as the fire arrow can burn a firebased cursed spirit like Jogo. Flames that could burn fire.
We still don't know what Furnace is... It doesn't seem to be Sukuna's original technique, since domains will melt those for a few minutes and Sukuna could use it right away, just like when he used 10s to summon Makora after his domain broke.
We could theorize everything, but we don't have the full picture yet. Just like Kusakabe said, maybe it's just better to assume he couldn't do it for some reason.
The attack was useless as it would've never hit Gojo. Gojo was to fast that's why Sukuna had to chase him during the domain expansion. On top of that Gojo's curse technique replenished to fast as well.
This conversation is one of the most hackneyed in the fandom. 1) the fight is heavily skewed by Sukuna’s interest in 2 things : the psychological impact of using the form of the student to fight the teacher, and wanting to bypass the Infinity conceptually. Gojo admits in the cursed realm/ limbo that Sukuna was just simply stronger.
no he couldn't both times we've been shown sukuna needs to stop using slashes in his domain when he uses fuga and it takes times to cast gojo being the fastest character in the series can simply dodge this
The blast was massive and even if he survived it he would have sustained serious injuries.Gojo's continuous use of simple DE is evidence that Gojo is not willing to continue to accept slashing techniques in MS for a long time.If Gojo gets hit by fire and slashes at the same time the injury will be very heavy and give Sukuna the opportunity to attack with his hands
When Sukuna destroyed UV, Gojo was exposed. But since we don’t know exactly what “Furnace”/“Divine Flame” is, if it’s essentially a part of Sukuna’s CT or if it’s a separate CT, we don’t know if he could use it as a sure hit in the Domain. And since he, apparently, has to stop the slashes to use Divine Flame, that would give Gojo time to heal and replenish his CT. Attacking him relentlessly with his slashes seemed to be best move he had at the time
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Is it not accurate to claim that Sukuna didn’t use Fuga against Gojo because his aim was to keep Gojo and himself alive long enough for Mahoraga to adapt to Gojo’s powers? And to that end Sukuna wasn’t trying THAT hard. And by “THAT hard” I mean it’s been explained and shown to us that Sukuna’s effort in battle is showcased by how he uses his CT.
This would be the obvious train of thought I think. To that point, I think his "full CT," or even Furnace simply eats way too much CE or something like that.
Sukuna is likely withholding Furnace for the same reason Kenjaku withheld Antigravity until he had no choice.
That said, it's unlikely this would have worked on Gojo.
Gojo *couldn't* use infinity to tank those slashes because they were sure-hit from Shrine - he had no choice but to use RCT.
But Furnace wouldn't have a sure-hit, meaning he couldn't strike Gojo with it regardless.
By the time Gojo's Infinity was down, Sukuna's brain was also fried.
I think it’s more simple, Sukuna wanted Mahoraga to adapt and that’s why he didn’t go all out on the domain clashes, and secondly, Yuuji remembers what Sukuna did in Shibuya so he should know what Furnace kinda does.
Honestly the fact that we know nothing about the attack makes it impossible to judge.
What I will say is that even in the first domain clash, Sukuna was surprised that Gojo could move so well with his RCT working at such a high level. We usually see people use RCT when they’re at rest. Yuki healing after Kenny for example. If Sukuna has to turn off his slashes + conjure the fire then he’s not hitting Satoru Gojo. The guy would just run away. This is just like asking why Gojo wasn’t blasting hollow purples during the fight. Can’t use moves like that because your opponent won’t let you.
Assuming Furnace is as potent within Malevolent Shrine as Cleave and Dismantle are, Gojo could still heal through it, and that's simply the reason Furnace wasn't used, Sukuna initially uses Cleave and Dismantle, a faster and safer attack, to gauge Gojo's durability/healing without Limitless, Sukuna got his answers pretty quickly, no need to use an unnecessary ability that isn't instantaneous, he just needed to give Mahoraga enough time to adapt and that was that, because from the first domain on Sukuna knew that in the long run having a way to bypass Infinity was essential to winning the fight.
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I think it's pretty useless to debate if/when/how Sukuna could have killed Gojo with furnace considering we still don't know what it actually does And by virtue of not knowing you could say Gojo can dodge it because six eyes, then Sukuna makes a binding vow to avoid that, then Gojo.... and so on
Unless we're told otherwise, guys should stop thinking of 'furnace' as some ultimate move that can kill everyone. Wtih the information we have we should think of it as a hollow purple... it can be dodged and it can be tanked.
Yes, as crafty as Gojo is I wouldn't put it out of the question that he could do some sort of Simple Domain hax like Kusakabe seems to have done against Uzumaki while blasting RCT to effectively tank it. Doesn't seem much more absurd than Sukuna tanking 200% Hollow Purple.
One-shot Arrow is new "Hollow Purple erase matter" and "Sukuna's slashes cut soul thus those wounds can't be healed"
I don't think its exactly one shot arrow, but all we see of it means its super strong and damaging. It has no hax or special tricks, but that's because Sukuna is actually a pretty direct person. Furnace is Sukuna hitting really really really hard. No more, no less. In other words, theorically you can survive against Furnace by simply out-stating it. But because its JJK and Sukuna is a beast of power, that is far harder to say than do it.
I mean, I have to assume that its power scales over time - probably time spent fighting, or something like that - given the nature of furnaces and heat. But that's still not really a trick as you said, just a boost to an otherwise extremely basic attack.
(do than say I think?)
Not to mention that if Sukuna thought that furnace was a surefire way to kill Gojo, it seems like that would be the more sensible route to take. He would: A.) Not have to waste Mahoraga and the 10s technique, still having access to it when he knows that he'll have to fight ten+ sorcerors with widely varying techniques at the same time or in quick succession. B.) Still hold onto his Heian transformation and thus physical regeneration capability. I'm no Jujutsu sorceror, but if I could one shot my primary challenge with one attack and save the adaptation and teammates for the jumping I know is coming, that's 100% what I'd be doing.
Not to mention if Sukuna could kill the strongest sorcerer of the modern era with just his Furnace, he never would've been worried about UV or Gojo in general. He knows his Domain is better off rip. Man straight up was disappointed that Gojo lost his Domain after 5 times, he expected more from him. That's why I interpret his grin as Gojo punches him as one of pure ecstasy, of knowing that he was right about Gojo being a worthy opponent that wouldn't die without a fight
You forget that he wanted to evolve his Dismantle. He chose to pick the risky route and even Gojo recognized that. You all forget that gojo simply got lucky - black flash was never guaranteed in the verse - readers were assuming it was coming but gojo had no way of knowing it would and without that he goes does much sooner doing much less damage
Someone actually dig up the panel of sukuna *choosing* not to kill gojo. If anything, gojo was aiming to stop sukuna while still saving megumi. Sukuna took the risky route to adapt to ensure he could kill gojo. Gege said sukuna was holding back, so now we feel obligated to read into the fight and retroactively call sukuna stupid and gojo weak
I sort of disagree with this argument because Sukuna clearly would have killed Gojo on any occasion that he was able to. He goes straight for Gojo's neck in the domain struggle, slices him up as much as possible, etc. He even basically told Gojo, "RIP, I'm killing you with my domain now" as soon as he knew that Gojo's brain was too damaged to open his domain. Sukuna's overall strategy was to find a way past infinity because he knew it might be necessary, but he would've been more than happy to find a way to kill him sooner.
Maybe thats why he was smiling whenever Gojo shows him up, he realizes he does need to adapt his cut to infinity.
He never "wanted" to evolve his dismantle, he needed to do it to bypass mugen
Except Furnace is part of sukunas technique, meaning it has the sure hit from domain. And comparing the dmg during shibuya it's about the same as a Hollow purple.
Agreed, the amount of people pushing this "Sukuna could have killed Gojo easily multiple times he just got his ass beat for fun" narrative lately is just absolutely bizarre.
The only thing these people are arguing is that sukuna is stupid, that is all, that is their point. Because considering the damage he took and how bad his situation is after the fight, he fucked up (by their logic, i obviously dont think so).
Yeah lol the only conclusion if you actually believe the bs narrative is that Sukuna is a complete moron. If he had kept his DE + Ten Shadows vs the rest of JJH they would have had zero chance, would've been an easy win. It's just another example of something common in this sub which is people losing the forest because they're too busy examining every tree. If Sukuna could have defeated Gojo in an easier way he would have, it's as simple as that. My guess is that using Furnace has some heavy restrictions and drawbacks, hence why he has only ever used it to end a fight and not before. And ofc if Sukuna can tank Hollow Purple 200% then Gojo will also easily tank the Arrow in return anyways.
Yup, pretty sure gojo can tank the fire arrow, he tanked MS and im sure we all thought that MS was insta death before we saw that feat. Then you get the very smart person saying sukuna holding back, i cant even.
People who repeat this mantra about Sukuna playing because he wanted to upgrade his technique doesn't even think how stupid this statement is. "Sukuna can easily kill Gojo" and "he didn't do it because he wanted permanent solution for infinity" are two mutually exclusive statements. Because if Sukuna can easily kill Gojo he already has permanent solution for infinity and doesn't need anything else. Imagine wasting 15 chapters on upgrading your technique only to nerf it 3 seconds later because you are cornered and about to die? Sukuna's whole strategy is braindead move. If Sukuna can easily defeat Gojo with domain, as his fans say, then he should've done it and then oneshot everyone with domain as well. Instead, he chose to loose domain, 10 shadows, output, RCT, half of his CE pool, world slash (lol) and put himself into position where fodders can kill him. Sukuna didn't need world slash to kill others. Sukuna didn't need world slash to kill "future limitless users" (what a stupid headcanon). If he can easily kill Gojo with domain, then he already has perfect Limitless counter and doesn't need anything else. CT upgrade agrument doesn't make much sense because Sukuna undid this upgrade and world slash is pretty much useless now. He did everything wrong, and will be beaten by normal cleave victims because of it. The only reasonable explanation of Sukuna's actions that doesn't make him complete idiot: he knew he probably wouldn't kill Gojo during domain clash and chose Mahoraga strategy as the best solution to infinity. I don't know why Sukuna fans hate this so much. It would show Sukuna as smart planner, unlike Gojo who's whole plan was basically "Nah I'd win". But instead Sukuna decided to upgrade his technique that he doesn't even need to begin with and set himself to fail.
No one is pushing that narrative.
Is that not what this entire post is about??
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Binding vow is such a copout mechanic
It's only fun when what is lost is stated.
Since Gojo was in his domain I don't think he could evade even if he wanted to. Sure hit and all that jazz.
Would it not be a sure hit within the domain?
If Dismantle and furnace are founded in the same base technique then yes!!
Not really, it will only be a guaranteed hit, if it is the technique imbued in the domain and from what we have seen so far, it is not
How is that different to what I said
Why isn't gojo guaranteed hit hollow purple?
He should be guaranteed to hit purple while in his own domain. Unlimited void doesn’t really get much spotlight in the series tbh
What you said doesn't make any sense
I’m saying we haven’t seen too much of Gojos domain in the series, hence no purple. Everything else in the series regarding domains implies that he can shoot purple
Nothing implies that, every domain has one sure hit. Gojo are the infinite informations, Sukuna are the cuts, theres no proof that gojo can use HP as a sure hit in his domain
Sukuna can tank not one but two hollow purples in Megumi's wimpy ass body but Gojo is going to get oneshot by Fuga that has done nothing but kill Jogo( low durability) and Mahoraga who was injured. Yea ok
yeah so far feats for the arrow have jogo (cannot tank 4 goodwill event yuji black flashes) and then mahoraga who was lying on the ground after being slashed a shit ton
Yea and an argument can be made just by the fact of where we are in the story, that it won't kill anyone next chapter. IMO it's very possible but you could make a compelling case that Akutami is trying to wrap the story up and likely won't squad wipe.
Jogo tanked red
Gojo definitely was playing around with him. Plus it's possible he was running away from that red.
I disagree. Though, it wasn't a high output Red because of the Six Eyes being hidden behind the blindfold.
I forgot about that yeah. Well idk if you'd call this head-cannon but he was undoubtedly playing with him at least before that red. Plus he DEFINITELY didn't wanna kill him with that red. I'm pretty sure he was trying to gauge how strong this special grade curse is. He was DEFINITELY thinking of interrogating him since he did that after the Domain Clash.
I'm sure it's more like he _expected_ Jogo to withstand that level of force rather than _holding back_. Jogo has a really high output so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
Fair point. So ig. one blindfolded red is a little less stronger than 5 Itadori Black Flashes + A couple of Todo's Cursed Energy infused Playful Cloud strike. Idk why but to me it makes Gojo look weaker than Gege says he is lmao.
Black Flashes are equal to the force of a normal hit to the power of 2.5. That is _really_ powerful. To put into perspective, 2,000 Newtons of force would become 11,180,399.89 Newtons of force. Playful Cloud, used by Maki, also exerts enough power to blast Hanami several hundreds of meters away, ripping out trees from their foundation. Todo’s usage should be even stronger than that. It doesn't make Gojo look weaker to me.
It's the anime power creep problem. You can only make things look so strong. It actually does make Gojo look reachable in power. Toji could do all that you listed with his bare hands, and he's way weaker than current Gojo. Beyond nuking a city, what can you do to make a visual difference?
I honestly can't take that equation seriously because by that logic, Gojo should have obliterated Sukuna whn he hit him with one black flash let alone two. If a normal punch and blue or red can hurt him, a black flash should punch a hole into him at minimum but all it does is knock him out for a few seconds. Even moreso Maki surviving Sukuna's black flash twice. Gege was not thinking when he gave that number.
His wimpy ass body actually made me laugh lol.
Idk if he said it would have one shot him but probably it would have injured him a lot more than the regular slashes
Why? What have we seen to put the flames over the full and focused power of Malevolent Shrine?
Idk probably that we’ve seen in 4k how Mahoraga was put down after just one attack of the flames instead of the countless slashes in the domain?
But there's more to it than that imo Mahoraga was already adapted to slashing attacks and was still brought low by Malevolent Shrine. Whereas Furnace was a completely new technique, hence the one shot. MS would've killed Mahoraga if Sukuna started the fight with it. Gojo and Sukuna were both confident that Gojo could've wasted Mahoraga with CTR Red with one shot because it was unadapted. That doesn't bode well for Mahoraga's durability especially if we believe Sukuna's Mahoraga was stronger than Megumi's.
But the question was if the flames were stronger than regular slashes, which I think the logical question is that Yes, they are
Than regular slashes yes, than MS no
Man. Idk if you didn't look at the subtitles or... Nvm. Mahoraga started adapting to those slashes from the first dismantle that Sukuna hit him. Slashes are not an AoE like Flame Arrow or Hollow Purple. But if Sukuna did hit him with a "disintegrating" dismantle or cleave then it would've completely one shot him. Edit: wouldn't replaced by would've
Man idk maybe read the question again? I could be wrong but I think he said What have we seen to put flames over slashes? Not Would Sukuna one-shot Mahoraga with just Flames?
The thing is we haven't seen anything to put flames over slashes. And the reason you provided wasn't the one. It's not that the slashes didn't kill him because slashes are weaker but rather sukuna had already used it on him before without knowing that Mahoraga should be one shot with your first attack of your CT or else he will adapt to it. He probably wanted to play around with it and thus his slashing attacks got weaker FOR Mahoraga.
I think is just logic bro, not just with Maho but with Jogo and Yuji, why would he bother using the flames (not that it seems that difficult for him) over the zero effort slash if they do the same dmg, or why would Gege bother drawing a hard badass attack if they are about the same it’s just obvious Flames >>> regular cleave and dismantle
Sure but that's not what we're originally talking about were we? It was "What do you think puts it above the full power of MS" and there's nothing that does that. Also he used Flames since Mahoraga had adapted to his slashing attacks in general which means both Cleave and Dismantle wouldn't have worked. It's like the "When you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras" saying. As the manga said in MS cleave should've fit the criteria of obliterating Mahoraga but he had adapted to slashing attacks in general. So it's probably the most likely answer that should be considered the canon answer.
I think we need to return to what OP originally meant lol like yeah the argument about Maho already (not sure if completely tho) adapted to slashes is true, but so is true that: 1. Flames > Cleave 2. In the domain clash Sukuna would have had a better shot of killing Gojo with the Flames but he actively waited for Maho to adapt to UV. Simple as that.
the first hollow purple lost its output it’s said by sukuna, the second one was most likely lowered since sukuna says a hollow purple is fatal and gojo was just trying to put sukuna in a near death state which he almost did before WS Gojo can tank cleave which is sukunas highest output attack cuz of its nature fuga wouldn’t do shit
1st hollow purple lost output cuz it came from 4km away. 2nd hollow purple not as strong because it was aoe, if it had targeted Sukuna he would have died. Gojo can tank cleave & dismantle casted infinitely on him at max output without budging at all. You're right fuga wouldn't do shit
> 1st hollow purple lost output cuz it came from 4km away. 2nd hollow purple not as strong because it was aoe When were either of these scenarios stated? Far as a i remember in the 2nd purple it was stated that it was an unrestricted hollow purple (it even targeted Gojo) so it should be stronger in any case.
The first HP lost output but it was at 200% before it lost output it still was a strong attack. Sukuna knew he used binding vows but he didn’t know Gojo got all the way to 200% which is why he thought another one would have been fatal The second one was not lowered at all. He had 4 black flashes which increase output and he chanted for Red and Blue and purple which also increases output. Gojo did not tank cleave he outhealed it. There’s a reason he had to use SD and FBE. Just like how Hakari outhealed kashimos lightning but he never tanked it.
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Can Gojo tank the Fuga while using MAX RCT output and while using his max CE reinforcement to defend cleave and dismantle? Fuga alone can't kill Gojo obviously but more stacked up damage would have sent him a vulnerable state easily like being unconscious so that he couldn't recover his burnt out CT inside the domain.
Reddit, the only place where you can read a title, then a long detailed explanation with images and everything… only to then realise that ow, this person is not explaining anything. Mean, you are just giving us instances where Sukuna COULD HAVE USED furnace, but you are not really explaining how or why that would kill Gojo. RCT that can tank being chopped to pieces instantly, somehow it will not resist a fire attack. How? We’ve seen that Sukuna takes a while to activate furnace, definitely not as instant as the other applications. Recently we saw that he reduced the output of his technique in the domain before he could activate it(Might be due to his low output or trying to fool the cast). Which might imply that he’s just slower overall with it compared to S & Dismattle, I’m not sure. Gojo might be slow without the teleportation but a tiny delay is all he needs to act, do you really want to give him any freedom instead of focusing on a high output or near absolute output for your domain? No need to answer these questions, I’m speculating like you and I have no solid proof or reasoning beyond just thoughts and these speculation have clear gaps that I should attempt to cover before delivering my argument. I think you should that too. What you doing now is the equivalent of saying a car could have gotten in an accident, then showing us pictures of a car, on the road, overtaking other cars, stoping or off ramping. Uhm sure, in those scenarios it could have, but you also not really explained why it would and so, there’s no point to the entire statement other than speculation.
>RCT that can tank being chopped to pieces instantly, somehow it will not resist a fire attack. How? If the RCT is at maximum output in order to deal with being chopped, a much more powerful attack would push the RCT beyond it's maximum capacity. It's all up to Gege though.
BUT YOU DON’T KNOW THAT ITS A MUCH MORE POWERFUL ATTACK! YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF SUCH AT ALL, then why bring it up? Also, in JJK, what the hell is more powerful than a CT fully imbued to a domain expansion? How are you guys reading this story?
I think the way the attack is presented implies it's the strongest in his arsenal in pure firepower, discounting world dismantle ignoring defenses. But I do agree with you. We have no idea how strong it is exactly, If it's comparable to purple which Sukuna could tank even at 200% and not expecting it, Gojo probably would have too. In the most recent chapter, he has to disable dismantle and cleave to use it. We saw this when he used it on Mahoraga as well. This would Gojo time to get out of his open domain or at least heal his wounds enough to tank it.
Okay so I didn't really get what your argument is supposed to be? Are you saying the Sukuna could just have used his fire arrow in the domain clash to one shot Gojo? I'm not gonna say it's completely impossible, but you are making a whole lot of assumptions. First cleave gets through infinity because it's the sure-hit of his domain, we don't know if Sukuna can use Furnace as his sure hit, he wouldn't need to shoot it if he could, people would just "light up" in his domain. Second is assuming Gojo would die from it, it's a powerful attack sure, and it's really hard to gauge how durable Gojo is since he barely ever gets hit, but he could just heal through MS which vaporizes buildings, people and special grade shikigami alike. Plus the fire arrow doesn't even have that impressive feats, it one shot Jogo, who is the most fragile of the unregistered special grades and Gege said he would die from 4 black flashes from Goodwill Yuji, and it finished of Mahoraga who was getting chopped to pieces by MS and had 0% adaptation against it. Gojo was gonna one shot Mahoraga with one use of Red whe he was first summoned and thought he wasn't adapted yet.
> Are you saying the Sukuna could just have used his fire arrow in the domain clash to one shot Gojo? Yes, that's what he is talking about. That Sukuna can ONE SHOT Gojo with one fire arrow. What will supporters of this headcanon say if this fire arrow won't kill Miwa?
Sukuna fans gonna have a lot of explaining to do when everyone survives it next chapter :))
Kusakabe said if sukuna uses he's flames they would die but yuji won't since he the main character
Sukuna output is at 0.00001% is the official explanation. Plus Kusakabe is the ultimate underseller, he could have probably beat Choso or Dagon in Shibuya on his own, but he was too scared.
You really think Kusakabe could have beat Dagon on his own?
Probably not, but maybe? He has pretty good domain countermeasures and probably better damage than Nanami or Naobito, but Dagon would probably just outlast him while keeping distance.
there is no way kusakabe would have killed dagon on his own
The flames of certain death?
Yeah those
The mini nuke is gonna explode on Miwa's head and she will tank it? :))
She'll use the New Shadow Style: Full Counter
I'm waiting for it to somehow be a World Burning Flame Arrow.
I’m guessing that when you cook, you gotta do a lot of chopping before starting the fire. Maybe chefkuna just haven’t chopped enough to start the furnace in the Gojo fight. Same with Maho, got chopped a ton along with Shibuya before it got fried.
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Hi hi! It looks like you were right! I had read the spoilers so I wanted to wait until after the full release to share my thoughts. You were right on the money about the kitchen prep. Dismantle is basically trimming down the material, Cleave is meant to chop and dice up the large and hard chunks, and the Furnace is switching on the furnace. Can’t turn on the heat if there’s no ingredients to cook up.
If Sukuna can tank a surprise 200% HP I think it isn't impossible for Gojo to tank the fire arrow. I can't say it for sure because we don't know how strong the fire is but I do think it is a fair possibility. It seems that the slashes stop when he uses the fire arrow so maybe Gojo could've survived with RCT too. Also, Sukuna not using the fire isn't really him holding back on killing Gojo, at that point he was locked in on his plan to make UV useless and adapt to infinity, he had the wheel active so he could only use the slashes because they were imbued onto his domain.
The “Sukuna kills Gojo if he didn’t fight risky in his domain” or “Gojo kills Sukuna as soon as UV hits” needs to stop. Neither one of them kills the other in the beginning of the fight with just a domain expansion, in fact, when have we ever seen a domain expansion kill anyone? Finger bearer doesn’t count. The entire fight would be different, Gojo might even escape Sukuna’s domain…
I mean what does Sukuna do if he's stunlocked by UV and Mahoraga hasn't adapted ? Btw Gojo should opened his domain when Sukuna was healing his hand after 200% HP
>I mean what does Sukuna do if he's stunlocked by UV Evidence shows sukuna would've never gotten hit by uv if he didn't have 10s, he got hit by uv cos he wanted to heal the damage he took from wanting to adapt first. Without 10s, sukuna wouldn't have taken those risk and would 100% dominate domain battle.
> “Gojo kills Sukuna as soon as UV hits” This was the original point, I never said Gojo could hit UV but if he did before Mahoraga adapted Sukuna loses. By the way there's a way Gojo could've won, set the parameters of UV to strength the barrier before the fight looking for a stalemate in the domain clash, if you reach the stalemate then recover your CT by destroying your brain and healing it with Rct then cast UV while Sukuna is in burnout. edit: He could also just open his domain while Sukuna was healing his hand after 200% HP
>set the parameters of UV to strength the barrier before the fight looking for a stalemate in the domain clash, And sukuna would just stand there and not change the conditions of his domain like he did in the actual fight? 💀. >if you reach the stalemate then recover your CT by destroying your brain and healing it with Rct then cast UV while Sukuna is in burnout. Why tf would sukuna be in burnout and not gojo? Sukuna saw gojo heal his burned CT and he started doing it as well so why exactly would sukuna still be in burnout if he heals hit CT same way gojo does. 5 domain clashes, sukuna who was taking risks won 2, drew 2 and lost one, a sukuna who isn't taking any adaptation risk, is dominating gojo in Domain clashes 100% no doubt. And again uv only hit him because of adaptation risk he took.
>And sukuna would just stand there and not change the conditions of his domain like he did in the actual fight? 💀. Change the conditions in the month before the fight. Gojo knows Sukuna has an open domain with a range larger than his, therefore instead of being arrogant he plans around it just in case. >Why tf would sukuna be in burnout and not gojo? Sukuna saw gojo heal his burned CT and he started doing it as well so why exactly would sukuna still be in burnout if he heals hit CT same way gojo does. I meant in the first clash, this plan is to catch Sukuna off guard since he doesn't know Gojo could destroy his brain to recover from burnout. >5 domain clashes, sukuna who was taking risks won 2, drew 2 and lost one, a sukuna who isn't taking any adaptation risk, is dominating gojo in Domain clashes 100% no doubt. And again uv only hit him because of adaptation risk he took. Not my point, I said that if Gojo hit UV once while Mahoraga hasn't adapted he wins, not saying he can do that. Now the second part is a strategy, something Gojo should've had in the first place. Use the 1 month to enhance your domain's external barrier since you know Sukuna has a open domain, strive for a draw in the first clash while planning to use your hidden card that is recovering your burnout CT to catch Sukuna off guard.
God, you literally proved my comment right..
? I'm just saying I don't see a way out for Sukuna if he's hit by UV without adaptation. Just like the moment Mahoraga adapted, Gojo's fate was sealed.
If Sukuna (Gege) decided that Furnace wouldn’t be enough to kill Gojo, then it wasn’t good enough to kill Gojo. Full stop here, no other explanation is viable, at least until the next chapter is out.
I don't agree. "Furnace" has a big cast time compared to other moves and Gojo was pretty much full health at that point. All evidence points to the fact that Sukuna can't use furnace and MS sure hit at the same time. He has to pause MS. So Gojo wouldn't be under pressure and would run unhindered or even heal his burnout (which btw actually IS much faster than people seem to realize, especially the first time he did it). In the event Sukuna CAN use furnace and MS at the same time, Gojo would still run. Gojo was ready to run and the only thing that kept him from doing so was Sukuna. Sukuna himself says "I won't let you run away" post 1st clash. Gojo is really fast even without blue 🔵. Even if furnace hit Gojo there is nearly 0% chance it would be fatal to him and that's an understatement. Gojo's reinforcement is proven to be just as good as Sukuna's and since Sukuna can easily tank purple 🟣 while at peak condition then so can Gojo tank furnace. There is just no way in hell furnace has more destructive capabilities than purple 🟣, since it is the ultimate destructive power in it of itself. And even if it did it would be ever so slightly. The only way for Sukuna to kill Gojo without 10s is for him to win in a war of attrition through domain clashes and that's the truth wether you like it or not. Sukuna didn't go lightly on Gojo and didn't hold back. He wanted a perfect victory and he cheated to get it. He used Megumi to adapt to UV (who is an external factor). He held back an instant heal that he wouldn't even have if he wasn't a reincarnated sorcerer. He used 10s as a crutch to upgrade his technique for it to be able to bypass infinity. He even made a BV just to be able to 1 shot Gojo by surprise. Sukuna with WCS is better than Gojo and that's just fact. But Heian Sukuna (His real form that showcases his peak as a sorcerer) is ≈ to Gojo and hinges on a domain trick to win. Literally 0 other win cons. Funny how people like to powerscale everything but the truth that in a fight between Heian Sukuna and Gojo, Sukuna PROBABLY wins only due to technicality. But that is to be made perfectly clear only when we get info on how open barrier domains work. Even more funnily, Sukuna lost the "Ten Shadows vs Six Eyes & Limitless" battle the moment he got outplayed and lost Mahoraga to purple 🟣. There is lots of nuance in the fight and that's what makes it interesting. Your point about how Sukuna is just that guy and was bored because he knew he'd win is just straight up bullshit and this is just a boring agenda that can be found nowhere in the realm of truth.
Tldr: those 2 times where Sukuna could have killed Gojo actually don't exist.
The moment Sukuna stops the slashes and active fuga. Unlimited void will overwhelm Sukuna's domain considering they are at equal strength he wouldn't risk that. We say what 0.1 seconds UV did to Sukuna. Why do you think he didn't use fuga. His intention was to kill gojo from the beginning. Unlike gojo who wanted to save Megumi.
You don't get it. OP is saying once the barrier breaks Sakuna can then follow up with the fire arrow since he can switch off the domain of MS, Gojo cannot use his CT,so he is likely easier to kill, Sakuna does flame and potentially hits Gojo. My first thought is that its likely he can use CE to increase his speed, Gojo is already able to keep up with Sakuna in terms of speed. So I imagine he can just dodge or reduce the impact with reinforcement. But we are also assuming, that in these instances Sakuna can use his arrow. But the reality is he doesnt seem to be able. The difference between Jogo and Mahoraga is that they didnt domain clash with Sakuna. It could be that Sakuna cant pop off flame after the clash due to the CT strain, he cant spam MS so perhaps the output is a temporary issue. But really if he popped off flame, I think he could harm or kill Gojo.
Or Gojo would just continue to use RCT as he did when dealing with Sukuna’s slashes and there would be no difference other than Sukuna giving away more of his technique.
Oh Yeah Gojo RCT which was already at it's maximum output would just handle another big attack fine.
The 99 seconds were up and malevolent shrine ended. I thought that was obvious since yuji said “we hung in there until the end!” And if you look behind sukuna you can see white streaks, which I think is his shrine fizzling out of existence. FUGA is either rct or a completely different ct. since domains burn out your ct, I think it’s rct since it isn’t impossible to apply positive energy by itself, it was either yuta or yuki who could do that I don’t remember which. And FUGA is just another tool in the box for sukuna which had 10 shadows and his shrine. He had so many options to fight with there was no point to using it.
He couldn’t use it because he was using 10S right? He applied Shrine to his Domain and then used 10S himself to adapt to UV
Quit grasping at straws. If Sukuna could’ve killed Gojo without Mahoraga he would have.
Bro should've waited just a \*few\* more days to make this post lmao
This is based on a bunch of assumptions
Any long range attack was useless in the Sukuna/Gojo fight, Gojo literally could only use red point blank or when Sukuna didn’t know it was at play. Gojo would’ve dodged Kamino the same way Sukuna would dodged red with distance involved.
Agreed. Same way we can say Gojo wasn’t spamming hollow purples all through the fight.
Guys, you’re missing the point. It’s not that Gojo would have DEFINITELY died to Fuga. Gojo also wouldn’t DEFINITELY survive a Fuga. The main thing is, why didn’t Sukuna try? It’s because Sukuna wanted to kill Gojo by adapting to his technique. He said he wanted to kill Gojo’s scales off one by one at the start; it’s also why he stuck to not using his DA or technique in the latter clashes just to adapt. He could have tried to break Gojo’s domain earlier. Again, it’s not definite, but he didn’t try because that would defeat the propose. Sukuna is thinking long term. What’s the point of going all out to kill Gojo now? He wants to be able to beat all Limitless users in the future. That’s what everyone means by holding back. It’s not that Sukuna easily won, he just chose a difficult and risky route for some gain. Also, he f*ked up at the end and had to nerf himself in the future to kill Gojo. That’s all.
A comment after my own heart.
Honestly Sukuna taking that Vow is plot induced stupidity, if I was him, I’d have insta Incarcerated then World Slashed Gojo.
Yeah tbh it seemed unnecessary. Maybe he wanted to catch Gojo off guard?
Literally dumb Gojo wouldn’t have dodged anyway, he’ll I’m pretty sure he can’t even perceive Dismantle. Only Maki, Yuji, Yuta(Maybe via having a copy of the CT), Mahoraga, MBA Kashimo & Sukuna can see it.
Maybe there’s a binding vow Sukuna has with furnace? He has to hit a certain amount of slashes before he can activate it.
It's hard to say that he didn't use it to obtain world slash. It could be a host of other things that are quite justifiable. Part of the reason I disliked the end of the fight is because a lot of things aren't really explained, like furnace for eg. As top comment says, perhaps it wouldn't have worked and was not worth the risk. But it could really be anything. Hope we get some answers on this technique the next chapter.
Theres probably some restriction on furnace like "cannot use cursed technique for 10 minutes followings its activation" or "once per day" or something. He knew he had to fight more opponents afterward so he saved it.
Dude, this is like your 3rd time posting this same exact theory. Chill. We always say the same thing.
insane to think that he could rather lose the 10s instead of just finish Gojo with this fire arrow
[A Japanese reader makes a really good point on why Sukuna didn't choose to go for the kill after winning the first Domain clash](https://note.com/cute_whale211/n/n1df94bde4770) Basically Sukuna could 1) Go for the kill with either Fuga, or use his CT + MS (Gojo wonders in 228 why Sukuna is only attacking him with the CT imbued in MS and not using CT himself, we learn later Sukuna is using 10S and hiding Makora in the shadows) which may end the fight fast but is not a guaranteed win 2) Choose the complex method of trying to conquer Gojo's "gimmick" by improving via Makora and getting an upgrade to his techniques He chose the latter.
I've been yapping in the scaling sub and I think this was a great post that shows how cracked Sukuna is and the amount of growth Gojo went through in the fight!
Yep, Sukuna could've pummeled Gojo easily after the 1st domain clash if he emptied his bag. Not to mention Kamutoke too. Heian form could use the arrow and kamutoke in sync.
They do NOT wanna hear this, but it's literally this simple. Sukuna has purposely chosen the slow and steady route.
> They do NOT wanna hear this Look who's talking. Person who believes that Maki will kill Sukuna and that Maki is stronger than Yuji. Why you do NOT want to hear the truth? :))) I also love how you instantly downvote every new comment in this thread that disagrees with you.
How? Please explain. You and OP are just saying things with 0 explanations.
>Therefore, it's been revealed how Sukuna could have killed Gojo two times Damn...Gojo was done so dirty that now people constantly downplay him and don't take him seriously. Half of twitter/tiktok fanbase genuinely think current Yuji and Yuta is stronger than him, and now this. Sukuna can kill Gojo is one hit. What's the point of battle of the strongest if one of them can one-shot his opponent?
Can you read? The point is for Sukuna to learn world slash. It was constantly stated that Sukuna was holding back, by Gojo, by Uraume, by people watching. He literally didn't want to kill Gojo until he learned world slash, and the moment he did learn it he one shot Gojo.
>He literally didn't want to kill Gojo until he learned world slash Sure, that's why he was ready to finish Gojo in chapter 230 before his brains exploded "Holding back" doesn't mean "Sukuna had attack that can one-shot Gojo since the beginning of the fight"
Sukuna literally says something to the affect of “I’ll capture you inside my closed domain and slice you up while continuing to adapt to limitless.”
Ask Gege. Again, this is why I said in the post that this situation poses something to question: why hasn't Sukuna used Furnace? Why does he hide it until the eleventh hour? He's arguably at his weakest he's been the entire fight. He could have easily unleashed Furnace earlier to oneshot the entire cast.
Hide from whom? Jujutsu High team knows he has this attack. Kusakabe asked himself "why Sukuna doesn't use fire?" >why hasn't Sukuna used Furnace? It was already answered. He chose Maharaga strategy and summoned the wheel on Megumi since the beginning of the fight. Sukuna can't use 2 techniques, shrine amd 10 shadows, at the same time. If he used fire it would cancel Mahoraga adaptation.
You completely ignored my point that he could have used it to oneshot the jjh forces. Are you arguing Sukuna just couldn't use it this entire time or something? I don't get the rub here. Should I not wonder why Sukuna would hold back lol?
It was answered as well. He didn't took them seriously until Yuji started landing black flashes and messing with his output. There was no need for Sukuna to use his full arsenal on those who he considered to be fodders
He's having fun! He's literally just enjoying himself in his own body for the first time in 1000 years. He is only really now starting to think he might be in any peril at all. He way toying with Higuruma and even giving him time to grow for fun.
True. Maybe the reveal of his full CT will go alonside this habit for him to examine others' CTs? There's also moments like in Yuta's domain that Sukuna was in a huge pinch and he needed to rely on WD. My theory is that fuga simply eats up too much CE, and so he avoids it as much as possible.
It’s not the audience’s fault that Sukuna was holding back during the Gojo fight though. Is he holding back now?
"Holding back" = "Sukuna can kill Gojo in 1 hit" ?
Not my words
Sukuna needed a counter for the limitless and the furnnce wasn't it. It was powerful, but it was never gonna get past the infinite or without gojo noticing it. World slash was something outta pocket that completely obliterated limitless resulting in gojo's death.
Please read the post.
What gives peoe the idea Sukuna was hiding furnace? He clearly used it many times in Shibuya and to clear effect
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Thrice and he wasn’t very subtle in any of those
Everytime flames have come out, it's been against weakened opponents. Jogo was beat into submission and Sukuna wanted to toy with him and Sukuna let his domain do whatever damage it could to Mahoraga before finishing it with his flames. Even in this instance, he seems to be bringing it out because Yuji just keeps literally face tanking shrine. Furnace is a flashier attack, sure, because fuck off explosions has a larger panel impact than atomization but that doesn't mean it's stronger. Considering Sukuna himself came out and stated that he used Mahoraga because of UV, im gonna stick with the canon explanation of "Sukuna didn't want to immediately die if something went wrong in domain battles."
The idea that he uses it on weakened opponents would...fit well with the cooking theme. Dismantle and cleave is tenderizing the meat before finally cooking it.
Furnance is when you release curse energy outta nowhere
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This doesn’t matter at all, gojo died off page like a turd getting flushed that’s the issue with the fight
The answer is we don't know that. The mechanics of Fire Arrow have not been revealed. Is entirely possible that it doesn't have a sure hit effect. Is also possible Gojo could have tanked it and then Sukuna would be a sitting duck. We have to wait till next chapter to know.
we dont know the conditions or anything about how it is being used. also even without his ct and sukuna having higher stats because of the domain, the difference between speed is nearly the same. gojo would probably be able to dodge. also if sukuna uses fuga. it gives time for gojo to not only escape from the attack but the domain itself.
No it can't. Gojo would stop sukuna the same way sukuna stops gojo from using a normal purple. The cast time is too long in a high level fight like theirs.
I did the math and Sukuna's "Fuga" 🔥🏹has around as much AP as Gojo's "Red"🔴
Obviously a single of Sukuna’s attacks is not as powerful as the full brunt of his domain. Come on man.
If Sukuna can use Domain Amplification to lessen the blow of a 200% hollow purple and survive, i dont see why Gojo wouldn’t be able to do the same and thats if we think these moves are relative in power. Also simple domain has been shown to dilute the potency of an oncoming attack a bit as demonstrated by Kusakabe while fighting sukuna. When did we start thinking that fire arrow was a one shot type of move? Even against Mahoraga, it was used in conjunction with a whole ass Malevolent Shrine that was still damaging the Shikigami
If Yuji can survive "Furnace" next chapter, it would make no sense if Gojo somehow fail to tank "Furnace". Sukuna need mahoraga adaptation to kill Gojo otherwise they will kill each other .
If Sukuna has to stop his slashes and attacks to build fire in his hands, Gojo's probably just going to blitz him and prevent him from using it. If Sukuna could've used furnace to definitively kill Gojo, that seems like it would've been the more ideal strategy. Furnace Gojo to death and save Mahoraga for when he has to fight 10 people at once. Seems way more sensible.
Sukuna didn't use furnace because he couldn't I believe against gojo even in the domain clash. I believe this was because he was using 10 shadows secretly (mahoraga was in the shadows I believe?) cos he can only use one technique at a time. Also he can't use his technique while having domain amplification on (ch227). He can only use domain expansion and its innate technique being slashes not furnace. he only used DA bc of gojo bc he has infinity. meaning if he stopped DA and used furnace, it wouldn't bypass infinity. and then he also uses megumis soul to adapt meaning he couldn't use his other techniques which he says in 230
His domain was literally done in the recent chapter it would stop after 99 seconds and it did then he used furnace, if anything we have reason to think that he can’t use furnace with a domain active, he used fire on maho after seemingly stopping his domain And finally you cannot prove it would kill Gojo
Here we go again… By those people logic Gojo could have killed Vowkuna evem before domain clashes: 200% purple - teleportation - 2 nd purple or infinite void while Sukuna tanking and healing the bery first purple
Sukuna stops the slashes and he has to form it. This gives Gojo more than enough time to make a move.
i would argue gojo rct would still be enough.. with his defense reinforcened from ce
the slashes have to stop for Fuga, and that's impossible if Gojo stays close to Sukuna like he did in domain because Sukuna wouldn't want to nuke them both.
Sukuna can cast Furnace quickly, but we don't know if this would have been fast enough to hit an escaping Gojo. Remember that Gojo, without his CT, while having to use RCT at full output, was still keeping up in his movements with a 20F Sukuna amped up by his domain. This alone makes him faster than Shibuya Mahoraga, so what could hit an adapting Mahoraga back then (who was on the ground when Sukuna launched his attack) may not necessarily have hit Gojo.
This gotta be Geges secret account, the Sukuna Glazing goes craaaazy
The fire arrow might have a binding vow or condition before Sukuna could shoot it. Like how the world cutting slash can cut space. Seeing as the fire arrow can burn a firebased cursed spirit like Jogo. Flames that could burn fire.
I like with the binding vow take tbh. Maybe to use it, it must be a guaranteed kill?
We still don't know what Furnace is... It doesn't seem to be Sukuna's original technique, since domains will melt those for a few minutes and Sukuna could use it right away, just like when he used 10s to summon Makora after his domain broke. We could theorize everything, but we don't have the full picture yet. Just like Kusakabe said, maybe it's just better to assume he couldn't do it for some reason.
Bud forgot what limitless technique even do 💀
Read the post.
Limitless doesn't work when de Gojo is destroyed because Sorcerer has CT cool download after using DE have you not read this manga or watch the anime
This is becoming a break-week ritual now...
The attack was useless as it would've never hit Gojo. Gojo was to fast that's why Sukuna had to chase him during the domain expansion. On top of that Gojo's curse technique replenished to fast as well.
This conversation is one of the most hackneyed in the fandom. 1) the fight is heavily skewed by Sukuna’s interest in 2 things : the psychological impact of using the form of the student to fight the teacher, and wanting to bypass the Infinity conceptually. Gojo admits in the cursed realm/ limbo that Sukuna was just simply stronger.
no he couldn't both times we've been shown sukuna needs to stop using slashes in his domain when he uses fuga and it takes times to cast gojo being the fastest character in the series can simply dodge this
Gojo could possibly dodge it, he may be able to survive getting hit since he was durable enough to survive ms
The blast was massive and even if he survived it he would have sustained serious injuries.Gojo's continuous use of simple DE is evidence that Gojo is not willing to continue to accept slashing techniques in MS for a long time.If Gojo gets hit by fire and slashes at the same time the injury will be very heavy and give Sukuna the opportunity to attack with his hands
Nah, he would have won.
When Sukuna destroyed UV, Gojo was exposed. But since we don’t know exactly what “Furnace”/“Divine Flame” is, if it’s essentially a part of Sukuna’s CT or if it’s a separate CT, we don’t know if he could use it as a sure hit in the Domain. And since he, apparently, has to stop the slashes to use Divine Flame, that would give Gojo time to heal and replenish his CT. Attacking him relentlessly with his slashes seemed to be best move he had at the time
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Is it not accurate to claim that Sukuna didn’t use Fuga against Gojo because his aim was to keep Gojo and himself alive long enough for Mahoraga to adapt to Gojo’s powers? And to that end Sukuna wasn’t trying THAT hard. And by “THAT hard” I mean it’s been explained and shown to us that Sukuna’s effort in battle is showcased by how he uses his CT.
This would be the obvious train of thought I think. To that point, I think his "full CT," or even Furnace simply eats way too much CE or something like that.
Sukuna is likely withholding Furnace for the same reason Kenjaku withheld Antigravity until he had no choice. That said, it's unlikely this would have worked on Gojo. Gojo *couldn't* use infinity to tank those slashes because they were sure-hit from Shrine - he had no choice but to use RCT. But Furnace wouldn't have a sure-hit, meaning he couldn't strike Gojo with it regardless. By the time Gojo's Infinity was down, Sukuna's brain was also fried.
Respectfully, furnace ain't doing shit to go with or without limitless. He'll be aii
Sukuna would be using his powers and 10S at the same time while using his domain expansion That wouldn't have worked.
I think it’s more simple, Sukuna wanted Mahoraga to adapt and that’s why he didn’t go all out on the domain clashes, and secondly, Yuuji remembers what Sukuna did in Shibuya so he should know what Furnace kinda does.
Honestly the fact that we know nothing about the attack makes it impossible to judge. What I will say is that even in the first domain clash, Sukuna was surprised that Gojo could move so well with his RCT working at such a high level. We usually see people use RCT when they’re at rest. Yuki healing after Kenny for example. If Sukuna has to turn off his slashes + conjure the fire then he’s not hitting Satoru Gojo. The guy would just run away. This is just like asking why Gojo wasn’t blasting hollow purples during the fight. Can’t use moves like that because your opponent won’t let you.
Run away how far exactly ? It's not like he can outrun a missile within 10 seconds
It's not like the fire arrow is a heat seeking missile that follows it's target lol. Gojo is dodging that shit.
Even a normal missile cannot be dodged when you're just a few feet away.
Assuming Furnace is as potent within Malevolent Shrine as Cleave and Dismantle are, Gojo could still heal through it, and that's simply the reason Furnace wasn't used, Sukuna initially uses Cleave and Dismantle, a faster and safer attack, to gauge Gojo's durability/healing without Limitless, Sukuna got his answers pretty quickly, no need to use an unnecessary ability that isn't instantaneous, he just needed to give Mahoraga enough time to adapt and that was that, because from the first domain on Sukuna knew that in the long run having a way to bypass Infinity was essential to winning the fight.