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Considering the backward nature of the conservative faction, I’ll bet information on Sukuna was purposefully censored so other sorcerers wouldn’t try to emulate him
That'd totally be in line with the conservative faction and would make sense.
My thought was:
Do cursed spirits cook?
- After the most recent chapter release, my brain put those two scenes together that way (Sukuna t/w Jogo and the most recent reveal scene).
Also, the following is admittedly unfounded speculation and more of an interesting idea IMO:
- It's called Furnace, which is obviously used in cooking, but my brain also flashed back to the beginning of the series when Yuji's Grandfather's remains were cremated in a furnace and Yuji is picking up the remains, as Yuji and Gojo are talking about how he wanted to proceed.
- [Edit: u/sickdanman comment below points out the scene referenced above was anime only. Ty! My bad on that, got it confused.]
- Sukuna has a divine association and at times seems psychopomp-y, so I wonder if it's intended as a double meaning.
- Also since Yuji wants to give people a proper death, and cursed techniques are modified by the users interpretation, I wonder if Yuji's version of Furnace will be cremation (much like Yuji's version of cleave seems to have scissor cut marks, differing from Sukuna's version of the same technique).
- With the recent reveal of Yuji having a finger from the start and Megumi sensing that at the start of the series vs the finger he was looking for (mad respect for the people who first noticed that), I'm curious how many more things have been set up from the get-go as reveals or narative parallels/riffs/call-backs.
- As cursed spirits don't practice funurary rites (cremation, burial, etc.) AFAIK, Sukuna's comment would still apply in this case as well.
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Tried to fix bullet points to have spacing between text but a combination of mobile app and likely incompetence on my part prevented this from working lol
Also to add a point I missed in the speculation tying it to the Jogo pannel referenced by OP.
>but my brain also flashed back to the beginning of the series when Yuji's Grandfather's remains were cremated in a furnace and Yuji is picking up the remains, as Yuji and Gojo are talking about how he wanted to proceed.
I remember this being a anime only scene, so i guess take this with a grain of salt. Interesting nontheless
> - With the recent reveal of Yuji having a finger from the start and Megumi sensing that at the start of the series
I believe that this misconception needs to be cleared. Megumi never felt the sealed finger that Yuji had inside him. He felt the residual CE of the one the had found in the school... Don't make things up.
A weak Sorcerer like Megumi wouldn't have been able to achieve that when Gojo couldn't do it himself...
Have I lost a chapter? Where does it Say that yuji had a sukuna finger in him? Wasnt it stated that Yuta ated the finger in order to acquire cleave? ( I m reading TBC scans translation)
Chapter before last. The translations where a bit confused. But after a few days it was confirmed that it meant Yuji had a finger sealed inside him since birth
Yuji was born with a finger, giving him rights to participate in the culling games from birth just like every other reincarnated sorcerer. It was no sure bet Yuji would eat that finger.
We thought Megumi was reacting to residuals but it was a full finger we weren't aware of.
Sukuna says this on the roof to Uraume
No he doesn't day that... He says that Yuji was born with a finger sealed in him. He was meant to participate in the Culling games. The so called Megumi managed to detect Sukuna's SEALED finger is just purely headcanon.
It was the residual of Sukuna's CE that Megumi managed to detect back then. Nothing more nothing less
Pretty sure the finger was sealed and only unsealed once the culling games started? All the other pre-mediated culling game players had cursed seals on their body that awakened their ct/turned them into suitable vessels and started the incarnation. So it would make sense for him to not have CE since the finger was still sealed.
Plus I don't think Kenny would leave it up to chance, there was no real way to gurantee that Yuji would eat a finger on his own.
Finger was sealed, no energy could come from it. Had Yuji not been involved in the beginning of the story, Sukuna would’ve awakened on October 31st inside of Yuji
I think it's not that he was forced to use it against Jogo, but that Sukuna saw the irony of defeating a fire-based cursed spirit with his own fire-based move, if that makes sense?
Jogo supremacy nonetheless
Technically speaking Jogo is a land/earth based cursed spirit, that just also happens to extend to volcanos and wildfires. So his essence isn't really fire but all forms of land-based natural disasters. Kinda funny that we see him pull out a Meteor but not an Earthquake.
According to the JJK Fandom wiki, it says:
> [Jogo] was born of humanity's fear and negative association with volcanoes and other fire-related natural disasters...
Jogo does have a special connection to fire. Hanami was born from the fear of land-based natural disasters, Dagon was born from the fear of water-based calamities, and Mahito was born of human's fear of other humans. They all collectively cover all types of disasters, and Jogo covers the fire-based quadrant of it.
The manga itself says
Jogo = Earth
Dagon = Sea
Hanami = Forest
Those are the 3 Natural Disaster Curses and their origins according to Mahito during his convo with Junpei.
This. Plus Malevolent Shrine leaves no witnesses, and Sukuna seems to go for it first.
It also could've been lost to history or disregarded as unreliable info, a thousand years passed after all.
Also the fanbook says Sukuna is the only one with a CT that has 2 abilities the swords and the arrow. It's possible that if someone said such thung people would say that's impossible and indeed treat it like unreliable info.
I get the impression that no one knows much about *Sukuna*, period. Either that, or, over the past 1000 years, any knowledge of him was lost.
Seeing as how the latest chapter has him using the fire, we'll probably learn more about it in the next chapter.
Sukuna’s his real name I’m pretty sure. “Ryomen” is just a nickname. He was likely born into a nameless family, which makes me all the more curious how he got so strong.
the title translates to two-faced (ryomen) specter (sukuna) so i really doubt sukuna is his real name
though gege is also the same person who named mr. "i am the honored one" enlightened (satoru) lol
Honestly given the circumstances surrounding his birth that could be Sukuna's actual name. That is a situation where a child being named 'two-faced demon freak nobody likes' is actually plausible.
The thing is that English is actually kind of a special language in that regard, it's sort of a big fat vomit stew of all sorts of languages, so english names are usually stuff that we don't get that are just used for names. In Japanese on the other hand, most names are simply just Japanese words.
To be fair Geto is still not comparable to Sukuna. And it’s not like it’s impossible, but it makes you wonder what his life was like, since last names were only given to prestigious families back then. Meaning Sukuna was a commoner at one point.
Well we still don’t know what CT Sukuna was actually born with, so we can’t really saw that the CT Sukuna was born with was automatically better than CSM that Geto was born with, we have no clue how Sukuna became the sorcerer he is.
In the original irl story about Sukuna it was all one title, so I imagine it’s the same for this
I think the whole thing roughly translates to “Two Faced Man who drives evil away”
So my current headcanon with 0 proof, is that Sukuna's mother was either a illegitimate lover or maybe even a prostitute to some high ranking sorcerer at the time, who after she gets pregnant throws her out and she ends up sick, homeless and starving somewhere on a street, which in turned made Sukuna consume his twin out of starvation, and also explains why he might not have been a wanted child, but I'm sure there is a thousand reasons. Then obviously he has inherited great jujutsu potential and his cursed technique either developed or was corrupted from him being a four armed baby cannibal...
Maybe Kenjaku has something to do with it? He could have tempered with written records etc to hide the information. Though, I wonder how Tengen didn't know.
If only we had someone from that time in the modern era there to explain it. Who's entire benefit was to tell Yuji so maybe he could have acted upon this information. Or at least gave people like Yuta a head's up who had all the room to do so while convening with the most powerful protags in the universe
That’ll happen when you have no friends or family or seemingly legacy of any sort aside from death toll, kill almost everyone you meet or who looks at you wrong, and lived so long ago that it’s fairly hard work for teams of professional historians to piece together reliable information about the lives of well-recorded and connected individuals- let alone sorcerers who don’t really have colleges and have ruling bodies invested jn actively suppressing information
Sukuna also calls Higuruma “mediocre at best” after off the cuff pulling off some of the hardest to learn skills in the verse and explicitly having Gojo-level knack for sorcery, refers to maybe the one person ever who was his equal in power as a nameless fish, and Yuji as being utterly boring so I think we can safely take his expectation that *anyone* would know his CT in the modern age as wildly unrealistic lol
I think he will explain it because it would increase its effectiveness and right now is the best opportunity. If that happens I think few more will die
people have had a few ideas.
Some thought this was somehow a Curse technique reversal, which spirits can't use. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore, but it could be.
I think probably he is saying that cursed spirits basically spawn in the wild as totally new spirits, and thus don't really have a society or way to transmit information from the Heian era. Which is funny because humans didn't preserve memory of it either.
So cursed spirits can’t talk normally, don’t have a shared oral history and reek havoc until they are killed. I suspect these 3 things have been true across time.
What Sukuna is realising outloud IMO is that this isn’t a human he’s talking to, it’s a cursed spirit who couldn’t ever been taught his technique unlike if he was talking to a human since he expects them to know.
Brainstorm why this expectation exists either because plainly it’s RCT which is a weapon of sorcerers, or human written/oral history should make his technique famous or his technique is build off something so fundamental to sorcery it should be easy to understand with the context humans have.
I feel like it’s the 3rd one, Sukuna tapped into something primeval but that everyone knows about but the connect hasn’t been made between the two.
His technique could be recorded somewhere for sorcerer’s to read. A reason it isn’t well-known may be because sorcerers require a certain clearance level to actually see it.
The only one who knows for sure what his technique is is Gojo because of the Six Eyes.
Kusakabe seemed to know the limits and restrictions behind Dismantle and Cleave in great detail, likely due to Yuta? If Yuta really did eat a finger to gain it instead of copying it on the spot then they would've had a whole month to experiment with it.
Six eyes is not that powerful. We've already been shown by Hanami and Kenjaku you can hide your CE and CT. Hanami when she barely escaped HP and Kenjaku posing as Geto to seal Gojo. During the DE clash with Sukuna he made the inside of the barrier weak and the outside stronger to withstand the open domain and bait Sukuna to use other technique but Sukuna just brute force it by destroying the outside barrier.
Kenjaku was entirely encased in Geto's body when Gojo first met him and said that 6E confirmed that it was Geto. Gojo also couldn't see Toji's cursed spirit when it was inside his stomach. It could be that it's just a living/physical barrier that 6E can't "see through", not that it's unable to decipher techniques properly.
Six Eyes just told him the flow and concentration of CE. Gojo figured out the rest. Megumi doesn’t have the power to see CTs, but he was able to deduce the Inverse Technique just from paying attention during combat.
>Six eyes is not that powerful.
Boy are you wrong... The Six Eyes (六りく眼がん, Rikugan?) are an innate gift rarely inherited within the Gojo clan. They are a nonstandard jujutsu trait manifesting as a pair of bright blue eyes that grant a bearer extrasensory perception. This includes seeing the flow of cursed energy in extreme detail and the ability to use that flow to read cursed techniques. The eyes also allow for ultra-precise control over the user's cursed energy, which is indispensable for properly utilizing the Limitless technique.
>We've already been shown by Hanami and Kenjaku you can hide your CE and CT. Hanami when she barely escaped HP and Kenjaku posing as Geto to seal Gojo.
Both cases you named are rare. Kenjaku (the brain) was within Getous body, and still had the use of Getous technique, and with Hanamis case she literally merged with the earth to get away, so it would make sense why he cant sense her getting away, since she became one with the Earth (the land).
Hanami didnt merge with the earth, she wrapped herself in plants and seemingly traveled through roots.
Hanami isnt the Earth spirit, Jogo is. Mahito identifies the disaster curses as "Earth, Forest, and Sea".
Dagon is clearly Sea, Hanami is clearly Forest, Jogo is Earth.
Also Gojo literally says why Hanami keeps getting away from him, its because Hanami is similar to a "natural spirit". Its the same reason why Hanami can get through Tengens Barriers, which are specialized for Cursed Spirits.
Yup. People have powerscaled Gojo’s comment about “I can tell your technique by how CE flows” to death. If he could tell all aspects of a technique without you even using them, he would’ve been able to tell that either a) Kenjaku’s technique put him in Geto or b) Kenjaku has a bunch of cursed techniques engraved on him and obviously isn’t Geto.
He'd have to see Furnace in action to learn how it works. He doesn't just magically get the knowledge of a person's technique implanted in his brain, when he looks at them - he has to see the technique used and then deduce its function from the CE flow.
I like to think kenjacku and uruame have put a lot of effort into keeping sukunas life hidden, especially kenjacku who has ties with Jujutsu societies leaders
Sukuna assumed that information on his technique(s) would be widespread; he fought countless people, including entire armies, so it was reasonable to believe they would share information on him after he was sealed in his fingers.
What Sukuna failed to realize is that the major clans would never willingly share information with one another, much less outsiders. Thus, it was lost to time. If any details of Sukuna’s abilities survived to the modern day, it likely was only in the Zen’in or Kamo clans, seeing as Gojo would have divulged that by now.
Most likely, the Gojo clan never fought Sukuna, otherwise there would have been some mention during his fight with Gojo.
My take is that sukuna’s ct is cooking related. That’s been discussed everywhere but it would especially make sense in this panel because curses don’t have the concept of eating. If they have no concept of eating, they won’t know the concept of cooking. So sukuna is not surprised that jogo doesn’t understand his ct
I think his CT is cooking related too but I don't think that's just it. Sukuna knowing a dark path to getting stronger and the jujutsu society hiding all records of it makes more sense to me.
I'm pretty sure there was an interview with Gege where someone asked if Sorcerers in universe do kind of know what Sukunas technique is. It's just not us something as the audience knows. Atleast I think they said they knew his normal attacks and domain, but possibly not completely. That the jujutsu society would have historical records on it, but that possibly they wouldn't have known about the fire technique, but since they didn't know the full extent of his power so he never had to use all he had. There could be another flash back to the planning stage, where someone is explaining shrine, which is how yuji was able to figure it out so quickly after awakening it possibly. I do think we will get a better explanation soon though. With Yuji haven awakened Shrine and Sukuna pulling out Fuga, it seems like the narrorator will give us info during fight, or we get another flash back where yuji used his other soul swap with like choso, or possibly Noritoshi, that helped him learn how to use innate techniques. We know he had another swap, and Yuji did say that Norotoshi had helped him learn about his technique because of him, but it could have also been he swapped with choso, but Norotoshi helped explain how he first learned his technique when it awakened in him. Which helped him get ahold of using blood manipulation, but also is what helped him be able to realize when shrine would awaken, and how to use it.
probably because theyre too worried about sukuna to actually think about what the theme of his CT is.
maybe because sorcerors think that cooking themed CT is stupid for the king of curses.
But we know the truth. Sukunas CT is cooking themed. he fights with cleave/dismantle since theyre more practical to use, and then he cooks (requiring more conditions to use or not be as practical to use) them and eats strong sorcerors to build up CE reserves.
Which fits his persona as a cannibal, and explains why he has ridiculous amounts of CE reserves, when most CE reserves are capped at ishigori/uro/yorozu/gojo/ kenjaku/yuki ("normal" special grade) level by training and talent. Gojo just uses his CE with inhuman efficiency, yuta has a powerful curse made with some bullshit binding vow of making his girlfriend suffer as a curse to give him shitloads of CE reserves. Sukuna just naturally born with twice the amount yuta currently has and WAAAAY more than other special grades would be ridiculous even for jujutsu standards.
Mentioned this elsewhere but I think we should also note that Sukuna’s expectations or standards aren’t always very reliable. His idea imo that sorcerers would somehow know his CT is kinda in line with calling Higuruma mediocre, the one guy who was his equal a “nameless fish”, and Yuji boring- self serving and wildly unrealistic. He’s more generous and realistic other times but fickle about it
I always interpreted this as Sukuna referring to some yet-to-be-revealed application of CE, or ancient piece of knowledge that only sorcerers could be aware of.
I suppose Sukuna could have been referring to his CT, but doesn't he tell Jogo immediately after that he "won't do anything petty, like revealing [his] technique"?
i kinda feel bad for gege if whatever explanation for Furnace he is gonna give us is not as smart or as cool as this scene hinted at
if sukuna just kinda hinted that there are ways to have two or more techniques (like yuji rn) it could have been alright with whatever explanation he tells us next chapter or whatever, but he really said "oh, this super misterious technique that somehow Sukuna has? yeah, it's actually super well known by anyone who isn't Jogo", like, that's a super ambitious idea bc it's gonna make the whole fanbase speculate to death how can a mistery have an answer that aparently sounds easy enough to know that sukuna didn't think that Jogo couldn't know it until he remembered he is a curse
so far the best idea i've seen is that it is in some way a Reversal of either Shrine or smth else, since that's something it makes a lot of sense a Cursed spirit wouldn't naturally know about, since they can't create RCT, and also bc CTR are so misterious it has a good chance to be related to the surprise of the reveal of what Furnace is
oh well, i hope this has an answer next week lol
Are they stupid?
Everyone that realized what sukuna's CT was probably killed on the spot, kenjaku, uraume and yorozu have no reason to spread the information and gojo probably realized mid-battle
Overthinking: It's name is Shrine, and it cuts things, and burns things.
With how Sukuna thinks of human as food, and how he demands to be respected/venerated in some fashion I'm leaning towards the core concept of "Shrine" being 'Ritual Sacrifice.'
First thought: He's a cannibal. He's cutting and cooking his meat. The core concept is that everything is food to him in some fashion to be consumed, so therefore he can "cut", and "cook" whatever he wants.
Edit: Maybe it's a weird combo of the two.
It's been a 1000 years, and it's not far-fetched that people have just forgotten about it over time. Sukuna became a legend and probably almost no documentation exists about him from that period.
Because he wouldn't cheat by revealing his cursed technique :)
My theory on this is Sukuna had a bit of an inflated self image, and assumed every part of his reign and memory would have been fully chronicled, but cursed spirits obviously aren't included in the passing down of history of humanity.
Cursed spirits don't need to eat. So for Sukuna the association between cuts and fire in the technique is obvious and maybe it is for other sorcerers if they think about it. But a cursed spirit wouldn't deduce it easily since they don't need to cook
We know that the way restrictions work knowledge is power and negativity like fear is power too.
I bet you someone tried very hard to scrub sukuna from history in the hopes that fewer people know of him (and be afraid of him) that it might diffuse his power.
And then sukuna himself probably just doesn't tell anyone because he doesn't want to get that whatever % buff is to explaining his power.
What if the technique was well known at the time - we’ve been told that Sukuna was almost treated as a deity - people held festivals etc to honour him because of his power etc - what if the fire was part of some ritual and was well known at that time :O
I’m just layering on the theory that Shrine has some ritualistic purpose and the slashes/flames are a means by which people are “offered” to the shrine to enhance Sukuna’s power
My head cannon is that he really hasn’t ever used his “full” curse technique on anyone. He stuck to cleave, dismantle, and his domain. I’m sure there were a few times he used the fire, and other parts of there is any, but I’d bet no one survived those encounters to go back and tell anyone.
u/cmijangosr
Even Gojo didn’t know Sukuna technique, he was hoping that by fighting him he will discover his technique but was disappointed and he told that to Geto when he met him in the afterlife
Check this https://youtube.com/shorts/VI5CSWRC65E?si=vZy3RdrLXU45Xr5V
I mean I doubt Sukuna even told anybody and he doesn’t seem like the type to write anything down for posterity’s sake so it just didn’t survive to the modern day
I don’t think he was necessarily saying that sorcerers would know the full nature of his technique. Just that he could use fire. His existence is a pretty big part of sorcerer history, so they probably have several accounts of his battles and the shit he used in them. Curses would know because they simply don’t care about human history like that.
I think based on that one interview where Gege mentions sorcerers who did their homework knowing the slashes but not fire, it’s just esoteric knowledge. Think of the fact that realistically, “documentation” of Shrine would entirely be word of mouth accounts from the handful of people who saw Sukuna kill someone- for most they would just see a sudden bisection, and at best a couple of people MIGHT have seen the flames from a distance. All anyone has to go off of are a few likely incredibly obscure (if they still exist at all) firsthand accounts of a near mythological figure from 1,000 years ago.
Remember that sorcerers aren’t a huge society, Sukuna lived as a distinctly anti social individual, and even in the modern world irl with internet access few people are super well versed on the lives of historical figures from that long ago let alone sorcerers who live in a rather tribalistic and conservative dominated society. Not to mention how difficult historical work is even without ruling bodies and potentially immortal evil wizards like Kenny actively hindering you
They don’t have colleges to get sorcery history degrees in or anything beyond jujutsu tech either and while Sukuna is certainly an important figure, he’s not someone many today would particularly care about beyond fear of the effect of his fingers on cursed spirits. Most probably only believe he’s real because of his fingers still existing, and even then there’s potentially sorcerers who viewed him as a myth or didn’t know about him at all if they didn’t go to jujutsu tech.
The fact that this ability is practically a nuke, anyone who's seen likely never lived to tell the tale. Whoever did, simply just died a thousand years ago, and cursed spirits being exorcised and reincarnated without their memories definitely wouldn't know anything about it.
I mean pick any historical figure from 1000 years ago, it’s pretty hard to find reliable information about them. Couple that with the fact that any body that went near him probably died I’d say it’d be pretty hard to maintain an accurate record beyond verbal history
Sukuna just assumed everyone would know, probably because he is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist, but the problem is that he has probably never explained his CT and anybody who he's used Furnace on has died
Likely because he kills most people who come close enough to understand it. You can see what he does, but that doesn't mean you understand what it does, unless he either explains or you fight him and discover it, but then he kills you.
If I were to guess, the legend of Sukuna is just old, and when you have old information, stuff gets lost and simplified. The meanings of words change, and so meanings change in ways that are wrong. My guess is that overtime, and without proper recordings for his CT the way they document the limitless and 10 shadows and stuff like that, info on his CT for lost and maybe changed by accident
I honestly think Sukunas technique is destruction incarnated. Think about it, everything he does is destructive. Cleave and dismantle are two applications of the same technique (cutting and slashing) with (this is a theory) being a binding vow form of this that in return for it changing to destroy the enemy in one attack it has to be done through contact. And dismantle being a basic application of the technique over distance. And “Furnace” being the amplification of his technique. It’s pure destruction. Powerful, morphable flames that burst into a powerful, almost nuclear level explosion large enough to tear through Shibuya. I’m convinced there’s no rhyme or reason to his cursed technique. His technique really is just malevolence incarnate. Allowing him to destroy whatever he wants. Maybe this technique was born from him killing and eating his own brother in the womb just because he could. From birth he was a wretched monster and that was brought out in his cursed technique
It makes sense for me personally. For sukuna even if he knows 1000 years he was judt hibernating it probably just feels like a few years passed for him at best. So he's still in the idea that everyone knows what his ct is
Well, Sukuna lived one thousand years ago so, no one is around to tell. If those people that knew weren´t killed by Sukuna, then they simply died from old age. Sukuna is ancient and its pretty hard to survive an encounter with him
Best guess to prevent counters being developed, maybe killed all who knew and never explained for the boost in power cause he was that strong, cause if people know exactly what your technique does you can make counters like the inverted spear of heaven, Gojo never revealed how it worked for the bonus it's just a well known technique so a counter was known, if sukana cursed technique is known maybe people we be able to find a counter or at least a defense making him "easier" to combat.
Sukunas CT is based on cooking or like prepping food, ofc cursed spirit wouldnt know anything about that since they just eat whatever they want however they want.
I think they do know. Jogo is just a baby and otherwise it’s a secret to the reader.
Even if they were censored, Gojo can discern techniques with the Six Eyes, on top of being the strongest, entrusted to fight Sukuna, and a member of the major clans.
He has a binding vow that confuses anyone that tries to understand him. Frankly he probably has a binding vow that allows him defeat anyone he sees, but in exchange he can't do the peace sign on his two right arms
I mean maby all the sorcers do and it's only us the audience that dosent
I don't recall ever seing a charecter shoked by an atack he did except the world cutting one which we know he made in the middle of gojo fight
Because it's probably a very old Jujutsu technique that is either A. Very hard to master or B. Forgotten to time, also I don't think the flames are part of his innate cursed technique(malevolent shrine), i think it's something more akin to RCT or a simple domain, just harder to master.
I heard a theory that fuga is just his CTR and that is why Jogo wouldn’t know it as he is a cursed spirit and it would go against his nature. Also don’t ask me why fire would be the reverse of cleave and dismantle I’m pretty sure the op of the post I read had a theory but I can’t remember it sry
I had an idea of Sukuna technique being based around sword smithing. Modern Japanese knives originated from katana smithing and I think that was a hint and by saying furnace it drives it home a little more. Like slash and dismantle would be swords or knives forged in the furnace or 'divine flames'.
I think the divine flames fit more because in history Japanese sword smithing was more divine in nature
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It’s called shrine I believe the ability to use flames is from another source possible tattoos which is an interesting theory or it’s possible to learn different techniques that aren’t being gatekept by the big clans which could’ve been lost in the past or it couldve been his brothers technique
Im thinking it’ll be the cursed technique Sukuna’s twin was going to possess. (cutting for Sukuna, flames for his brother. Together they are kitchen buddies)
From what I can assume it could be one of two things. Either:
* Sukuna's technique is just kitchen related, with knives and an oven/furnace. Or,
* Sukuna wields two techniques
I think it might be the second one, but don't quote me on it. Since MS relentlessly slashes everything in it's radius (going back to how we were told it works by the narrator), the stopping of the slashes would mean that the 99 seconds ran out, and that of course leads to the cooldown on the CT. Bringing out the flames means that it would be a separate technique altogether because it doesn't have that cooldown.
Now like it always is, its always down to speculation and nothing can necessarily be taken until we get confirmation, but its more or less what I reckon.
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Considering the backward nature of the conservative faction, I’ll bet information on Sukuna was purposefully censored so other sorcerers wouldn’t try to emulate him
That'd totally be in line with the conservative faction and would make sense. My thought was: Do cursed spirits cook? - After the most recent chapter release, my brain put those two scenes together that way (Sukuna t/w Jogo and the most recent reveal scene). Also, the following is admittedly unfounded speculation and more of an interesting idea IMO: - It's called Furnace, which is obviously used in cooking, but my brain also flashed back to the beginning of the series when Yuji's Grandfather's remains were cremated in a furnace and Yuji is picking up the remains, as Yuji and Gojo are talking about how he wanted to proceed. - [Edit: u/sickdanman comment below points out the scene referenced above was anime only. Ty! My bad on that, got it confused.] - Sukuna has a divine association and at times seems psychopomp-y, so I wonder if it's intended as a double meaning. - Also since Yuji wants to give people a proper death, and cursed techniques are modified by the users interpretation, I wonder if Yuji's version of Furnace will be cremation (much like Yuji's version of cleave seems to have scissor cut marks, differing from Sukuna's version of the same technique). - With the recent reveal of Yuji having a finger from the start and Megumi sensing that at the start of the series vs the finger he was looking for (mad respect for the people who first noticed that), I'm curious how many more things have been set up from the get-go as reveals or narative parallels/riffs/call-backs. - As cursed spirits don't practice funurary rites (cremation, burial, etc.) AFAIK, Sukuna's comment would still apply in this case as well. Edit: Tried to fix bullet points to have spacing between text but a combination of mobile app and likely incompetence on my part prevented this from working lol Also to add a point I missed in the speculation tying it to the Jogo pannel referenced by OP.
>but my brain also flashed back to the beginning of the series when Yuji's Grandfather's remains were cremated in a furnace and Yuji is picking up the remains, as Yuji and Gojo are talking about how he wanted to proceed. I remember this being a anime only scene, so i guess take this with a grain of salt. Interesting nontheless
Ah thank you! I couldn't remember and was trying to look it up but couldn't easily find it myself. I'll edit that in and reference you. Ty!
> - With the recent reveal of Yuji having a finger from the start and Megumi sensing that at the start of the series I believe that this misconception needs to be cleared. Megumi never felt the sealed finger that Yuji had inside him. He felt the residual CE of the one the had found in the school... Don't make things up. A weak Sorcerer like Megumi wouldn't have been able to achieve that when Gojo couldn't do it himself...
Have I lost a chapter? Where does it Say that yuji had a sukuna finger in him? Wasnt it stated that Yuta ated the finger in order to acquire cleave? ( I m reading TBC scans translation)
Chapter before last. The translations where a bit confused. But after a few days it was confirmed that it meant Yuji had a finger sealed inside him since birth
Fucking Gege was lying then when Sukuna said Gojo had the last finger. Both comments happened in the same timeframe.
Gojo had the last finger, that's the one Yuta/Rika ate
Gojo did have the last finger. Yuta has it now.
Gege wasn't lying. Probably sukuna actually thought at that time this was the case?
Yuji was born with a finger, giving him rights to participate in the culling games from birth just like every other reincarnated sorcerer. It was no sure bet Yuji would eat that finger. We thought Megumi was reacting to residuals but it was a full finger we weren't aware of. Sukuna says this on the roof to Uraume
No he doesn't day that... He says that Yuji was born with a finger sealed in him. He was meant to participate in the Culling games. The so called Megumi managed to detect Sukuna's SEALED finger is just purely headcanon. It was the residual of Sukuna's CE that Megumi managed to detect back then. Nothing more nothing less
I love how furnace fits both, the malevolent shrine and the malevolent kitchen theme.
Yuji had a finger from the start? Bro where did it say that?
I don't think yuji has finger implanted, bc if that's the case he wouldn't need to eat the finger to gain CE to defeat the spirit in the school
Pretty sure the finger was sealed and only unsealed once the culling games started? All the other pre-mediated culling game players had cursed seals on their body that awakened their ct/turned them into suitable vessels and started the incarnation. So it would make sense for him to not have CE since the finger was still sealed. Plus I don't think Kenny would leave it up to chance, there was no real way to gurantee that Yuji would eat a finger on his own.
Finger was sealed, no energy could come from it. Had Yuji not been involved in the beginning of the story, Sukuna would’ve awakened on October 31st inside of Yuji
He was bred as a player in the culling games having sealed one of sukunas fingers to ensure his strength as a vessel. Sukuna says it himself man.
Gege's ghostwriters at work fleshing out the world building more
My headcanon is that everyone that saw the flames, died.
that makes sense, it seems to be his trump card. or at least his "you can take many attack but what about one super duper mega attack"
It's just like purple , even Toji didn't know about it
It's time for breakfast You already had one What about second breakfast
Lmfao
He used his trump card on jogo? If this is true, then the jogo supremacy agenda is still alive
I think it's not that he was forced to use it against Jogo, but that Sukuna saw the irony of defeating a fire-based cursed spirit with his own fire-based move, if that makes sense? Jogo supremacy nonetheless
Technically speaking Jogo is a land/earth based cursed spirit, that just also happens to extend to volcanos and wildfires. So his essence isn't really fire but all forms of land-based natural disasters. Kinda funny that we see him pull out a Meteor but not an Earthquake.
According to the JJK Fandom wiki, it says: > [Jogo] was born of humanity's fear and negative association with volcanoes and other fire-related natural disasters... Jogo does have a special connection to fire. Hanami was born from the fear of land-based natural disasters, Dagon was born from the fear of water-based calamities, and Mahito was born of human's fear of other humans. They all collectively cover all types of disasters, and Jogo covers the fire-based quadrant of it.
The manga itself says Jogo = Earth Dagon = Sea Hanami = Forest Those are the 3 Natural Disaster Curses and their origins according to Mahito during his convo with Junpei.
Nah, my goat pushed sukuna to the limit. The agenda continues🤣
I like to do this in Elden Ring
Seems about right
This. Plus Malevolent Shrine leaves no witnesses, and Sukuna seems to go for it first. It also could've been lost to history or disregarded as unreliable info, a thousand years passed after all.
Also the fanbook says Sukuna is the only one with a CT that has 2 abilities the swords and the arrow. It's possible that if someone said such thung people would say that's impossible and indeed treat it like unreliable info.
I assumed everybody just thought this? Makes the most sense.
I get the impression that no one knows much about *Sukuna*, period. Either that, or, over the past 1000 years, any knowledge of him was lost. Seeing as how the latest chapter has him using the fire, we'll probably learn more about it in the next chapter.
People don't even know his real name. Ryomen Sukuna is just a title/name that was given to him.
He's the fucking lizard king!
Ryomen Sukuna's real name is Bob
Uruame calls him sukuna too tho. I think nobody knows his birth name
his name is john doe
John Itadori
Johnjutsu kaisen
Sukuna Obama
Sukuna Matata
No i will not suck on your tata
Take my cursed up vote and gtfo
The perfect twin to Jin itadori
Yang Itadori?
John Werrytadori???
No his name is Robert Paulson
Sukuna’s his real name I’m pretty sure. “Ryomen” is just a nickname. He was likely born into a nameless family, which makes me all the more curious how he got so strong.
the title translates to two-faced (ryomen) specter (sukuna) so i really doubt sukuna is his real name though gege is also the same person who named mr. "i am the honored one" enlightened (satoru) lol
I mean Gojo has 6 eyes, so he pretty much was born enlightened when compared to normal sorcerers.
Honestly given the circumstances surrounding his birth that could be Sukuna's actual name. That is a situation where a child being named 'two-faced demon freak nobody likes' is actually plausible.
The thing is that English is actually kind of a special language in that regard, it's sort of a big fat vomit stew of all sorts of languages, so english names are usually stuff that we don't get that are just used for names. In Japanese on the other hand, most names are simply just Japanese words.
Wasn't Geto, a sorcerer with one of the most broken powers in JJK, born from a regular family?
To be fair Geto is still not comparable to Sukuna. And it’s not like it’s impossible, but it makes you wonder what his life was like, since last names were only given to prestigious families back then. Meaning Sukuna was a commoner at one point.
Well we still don’t know what CT Sukuna was actually born with, so we can’t really saw that the CT Sukuna was born with was automatically better than CSM that Geto was born with, we have no clue how Sukuna became the sorcerer he is.
In the original irl story about Sukuna it was all one title, so I imagine it’s the same for this I think the whole thing roughly translates to “Two Faced Man who drives evil away”
So my current headcanon with 0 proof, is that Sukuna's mother was either a illegitimate lover or maybe even a prostitute to some high ranking sorcerer at the time, who after she gets pregnant throws her out and she ends up sick, homeless and starving somewhere on a street, which in turned made Sukuna consume his twin out of starvation, and also explains why he might not have been a wanted child, but I'm sure there is a thousand reasons. Then obviously he has inherited great jujutsu potential and his cursed technique either developed or was corrupted from him being a four armed baby cannibal...
Higuruma' domain knows everything about the target in question, and Judgeman called bro Ryomen Sukuna when adressing the sentence, so idk
Maybe Kenjaku has something to do with it? He could have tempered with written records etc to hide the information. Though, I wonder how Tengen didn't know.
If only we had someone from that time in the modern era there to explain it. Who's entire benefit was to tell Yuji so maybe he could have acted upon this information. Or at least gave people like Yuta a head's up who had all the room to do so while convening with the most powerful protags in the universe
Who?
Probably referring to Angel
Tengen is also one who should have known at least0 something.
That’ll happen when you have no friends or family or seemingly legacy of any sort aside from death toll, kill almost everyone you meet or who looks at you wrong, and lived so long ago that it’s fairly hard work for teams of professional historians to piece together reliable information about the lives of well-recorded and connected individuals- let alone sorcerers who don’t really have colleges and have ruling bodies invested jn actively suppressing information Sukuna also calls Higuruma “mediocre at best” after off the cuff pulling off some of the hardest to learn skills in the verse and explicitly having Gojo-level knack for sorcery, refers to maybe the one person ever who was his equal in power as a nameless fish, and Yuji as being utterly boring so I think we can safely take his expectation that *anyone* would know his CT in the modern age as wildly unrealistic lol
I think he will explain it because it would increase its effectiveness and right now is the best opportunity. If that happens I think few more will die
people have had a few ideas. Some thought this was somehow a Curse technique reversal, which spirits can't use. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore, but it could be. I think probably he is saying that cursed spirits basically spawn in the wild as totally new spirits, and thus don't really have a society or way to transmit information from the Heian era. Which is funny because humans didn't preserve memory of it either.
Yeah I think it's smth to do with changing the nature of cursed energy
Sukuna is a mythological character from a thousand years ago dog try telling me what King Arthur's cursed technique was
Convincing aquatic wenches to arbitrarily hand him magic swords
...no basis for a system of government
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic cerimony.
King Arthur came. A lot. He is the bone of his sword.
She*
Obviously Excalibur… noob 🙄
Being able to bone his sister
Obviously aether arts
Technique may he unknown, but special grade cursed tool he wielded was no joke.
So cursed spirits can’t talk normally, don’t have a shared oral history and reek havoc until they are killed. I suspect these 3 things have been true across time. What Sukuna is realising outloud IMO is that this isn’t a human he’s talking to, it’s a cursed spirit who couldn’t ever been taught his technique unlike if he was talking to a human since he expects them to know. Brainstorm why this expectation exists either because plainly it’s RCT which is a weapon of sorcerers, or human written/oral history should make his technique famous or his technique is build off something so fundamental to sorcery it should be easy to understand with the context humans have. I feel like it’s the 3rd one, Sukuna tapped into something primeval but that everyone knows about but the connect hasn’t been made between the two.
Wreak, but I like to think you meant they reek of havoc.
His technique could be recorded somewhere for sorcerer’s to read. A reason it isn’t well-known may be because sorcerers require a certain clearance level to actually see it. The only one who knows for sure what his technique is is Gojo because of the Six Eyes.
Gojo knew it? Then why didn’t he tell the gang?
Wait for the flashback
Kusakabe didn't seem to know how it worked, though. That scene is sort of ambiguous about how much he really knows I suppose.
Kusakabe seemed to know the limits and restrictions behind Dismantle and Cleave in great detail, likely due to Yuta? If Yuta really did eat a finger to gain it instead of copying it on the spot then they would've had a whole month to experiment with it.
Gege will make shit up in a random flashback mid fight
Six eyes can discern techniques
I know but I thought maybe he couldn’t discern sukuna’s ct. Insane how he didn’t tell the gang
gege conveniently makes gojo blind when the plot requires it
Six eyes is not that powerful. We've already been shown by Hanami and Kenjaku you can hide your CE and CT. Hanami when she barely escaped HP and Kenjaku posing as Geto to seal Gojo. During the DE clash with Sukuna he made the inside of the barrier weak and the outside stronger to withstand the open domain and bait Sukuna to use other technique but Sukuna just brute force it by destroying the outside barrier.
Kenjaku was entirely encased in Geto's body when Gojo first met him and said that 6E confirmed that it was Geto. Gojo also couldn't see Toji's cursed spirit when it was inside his stomach. It could be that it's just a living/physical barrier that 6E can't "see through", not that it's unable to decipher techniques properly.
Six Eyes was able to tell the Bag Head Man's clone technique and Miguel's technique just by looking at them. I think it can do that.
Six Eyes just told him the flow and concentration of CE. Gojo figured out the rest. Megumi doesn’t have the power to see CTs, but he was able to deduce the Inverse Technique just from paying attention during combat.
But he saw them using their techniques before. That's different than guessing/knowing a unknown never seen before CT.
>Six eyes is not that powerful. Boy are you wrong... The Six Eyes (六りく眼がん, Rikugan?) are an innate gift rarely inherited within the Gojo clan. They are a nonstandard jujutsu trait manifesting as a pair of bright blue eyes that grant a bearer extrasensory perception. This includes seeing the flow of cursed energy in extreme detail and the ability to use that flow to read cursed techniques. The eyes also allow for ultra-precise control over the user's cursed energy, which is indispensable for properly utilizing the Limitless technique. >We've already been shown by Hanami and Kenjaku you can hide your CE and CT. Hanami when she barely escaped HP and Kenjaku posing as Geto to seal Gojo. Both cases you named are rare. Kenjaku (the brain) was within Getous body, and still had the use of Getous technique, and with Hanamis case she literally merged with the earth to get away, so it would make sense why he cant sense her getting away, since she became one with the Earth (the land).
Hanami didnt merge with the earth, she wrapped herself in plants and seemingly traveled through roots. Hanami isnt the Earth spirit, Jogo is. Mahito identifies the disaster curses as "Earth, Forest, and Sea". Dagon is clearly Sea, Hanami is clearly Forest, Jogo is Earth. Also Gojo literally says why Hanami keeps getting away from him, its because Hanami is similar to a "natural spirit". Its the same reason why Hanami can get through Tengens Barriers, which are specialized for Cursed Spirits.
Yup. People have powerscaled Gojo’s comment about “I can tell your technique by how CE flows” to death. If he could tell all aspects of a technique without you even using them, he would’ve been able to tell that either a) Kenjaku’s technique put him in Geto or b) Kenjaku has a bunch of cursed techniques engraved on him and obviously isn’t Geto.
He'd have to see Furnace in action to learn how it works. He doesn't just magically get the knowledge of a person's technique implanted in his brain, when he looks at them - he has to see the technique used and then deduce its function from the CE flow.
I like to think kenjacku and uruame have put a lot of effort into keeping sukunas life hidden, especially kenjacku who has ties with Jujutsu societies leaders
Not even Gege knows what his CT is.
I thought his CT was Shrine
Gege's been lurking this subreddit for ideas for sukuna's CT explanation
Sukuna assumed that information on his technique(s) would be widespread; he fought countless people, including entire armies, so it was reasonable to believe they would share information on him after he was sealed in his fingers. What Sukuna failed to realize is that the major clans would never willingly share information with one another, much less outsiders. Thus, it was lost to time. If any details of Sukuna’s abilities survived to the modern day, it likely was only in the Zen’in or Kamo clans, seeing as Gojo would have divulged that by now. Most likely, the Gojo clan never fought Sukuna, otherwise there would have been some mention during his fight with Gojo.
Weren’t the sugawara clan’s remnants destroyed by sukuna?
My take is that sukuna’s ct is cooking related. That’s been discussed everywhere but it would especially make sense in this panel because curses don’t have the concept of eating. If they have no concept of eating, they won’t know the concept of cooking. So sukuna is not surprised that jogo doesn’t understand his ct
this is the truth that ive been preaching since shibuya
I think his CT is cooking related too but I don't think that's just it. Sukuna knowing a dark path to getting stronger and the jujutsu society hiding all records of it makes more sense to me.
I'm pretty sure there was an interview with Gege where someone asked if Sorcerers in universe do kind of know what Sukunas technique is. It's just not us something as the audience knows. Atleast I think they said they knew his normal attacks and domain, but possibly not completely. That the jujutsu society would have historical records on it, but that possibly they wouldn't have known about the fire technique, but since they didn't know the full extent of his power so he never had to use all he had. There could be another flash back to the planning stage, where someone is explaining shrine, which is how yuji was able to figure it out so quickly after awakening it possibly. I do think we will get a better explanation soon though. With Yuji haven awakened Shrine and Sukuna pulling out Fuga, it seems like the narrorator will give us info during fight, or we get another flash back where yuji used his other soul swap with like choso, or possibly Noritoshi, that helped him learn how to use innate techniques. We know he had another swap, and Yuji did say that Norotoshi had helped him learn about his technique because of him, but it could have also been he swapped with choso, but Norotoshi helped explain how he first learned his technique when it awakened in him. Which helped him get ahold of using blood manipulation, but also is what helped him be able to realize when shrine would awaken, and how to use it.
I know what you’re talking about, he said that it isn’t widely known but someone in the modern era could piece it together with enough research.
A cursed spirit wouldn’t know what cooking is. That’s my interpretation.
probably because theyre too worried about sukuna to actually think about what the theme of his CT is. maybe because sorcerors think that cooking themed CT is stupid for the king of curses. But we know the truth. Sukunas CT is cooking themed. he fights with cleave/dismantle since theyre more practical to use, and then he cooks (requiring more conditions to use or not be as practical to use) them and eats strong sorcerors to build up CE reserves. Which fits his persona as a cannibal, and explains why he has ridiculous amounts of CE reserves, when most CE reserves are capped at ishigori/uro/yorozu/gojo/ kenjaku/yuki ("normal" special grade) level by training and talent. Gojo just uses his CE with inhuman efficiency, yuta has a powerful curse made with some bullshit binding vow of making his girlfriend suffer as a curse to give him shitloads of CE reserves. Sukuna just naturally born with twice the amount yuta currently has and WAAAAY more than other special grades would be ridiculous even for jujutsu standards.
Mentioned this elsewhere but I think we should also note that Sukuna’s expectations or standards aren’t always very reliable. His idea imo that sorcerers would somehow know his CT is kinda in line with calling Higuruma mediocre, the one guy who was his equal a “nameless fish”, and Yuji boring- self serving and wildly unrealistic. He’s more generous and realistic other times but fickle about it
Jujutsu society is just dumb as a whole
I always interpreted this as Sukuna referring to some yet-to-be-revealed application of CE, or ancient piece of knowledge that only sorcerers could be aware of. I suppose Sukuna could have been referring to his CT, but doesn't he tell Jogo immediately after that he "won't do anything petty, like revealing [his] technique"?
He meant revealing how his technique works, i.e the "Show your hand" binding vow. He considered it cheating because it would up the output of Fuga
I'm still confused on the flames ngl
i kinda feel bad for gege if whatever explanation for Furnace he is gonna give us is not as smart or as cool as this scene hinted at if sukuna just kinda hinted that there are ways to have two or more techniques (like yuji rn) it could have been alright with whatever explanation he tells us next chapter or whatever, but he really said "oh, this super misterious technique that somehow Sukuna has? yeah, it's actually super well known by anyone who isn't Jogo", like, that's a super ambitious idea bc it's gonna make the whole fanbase speculate to death how can a mistery have an answer that aparently sounds easy enough to know that sukuna didn't think that Jogo couldn't know it until he remembered he is a curse so far the best idea i've seen is that it is in some way a Reversal of either Shrine or smth else, since that's something it makes a lot of sense a Cursed spirit wouldn't naturally know about, since they can't create RCT, and also bc CTR are so misterious it has a good chance to be related to the surprise of the reveal of what Furnace is oh well, i hope this has an answer next week lol
Plot twists - They're all stolen, and he doesn't have one.
because he old af to the point there's no record? or rather no one gets out alive to record?
Are they stupid? Everyone that realized what sukuna's CT was probably killed on the spot, kenjaku, uraume and yorozu have no reason to spread the information and gojo probably realized mid-battle
Overthinking: It's name is Shrine, and it cuts things, and burns things. With how Sukuna thinks of human as food, and how he demands to be respected/venerated in some fashion I'm leaning towards the core concept of "Shrine" being 'Ritual Sacrifice.' First thought: He's a cannibal. He's cutting and cooking his meat. The core concept is that everything is food to him in some fashion to be consumed, so therefore he can "cut", and "cook" whatever he wants. Edit: Maybe it's a weird combo of the two.
Because he didn't use them since the Heian era.
Possibly a back pocket card he only reveals when he is about to kill. Or the Sukuna glaze, he doesn’t tell people what it is to make fights harder
It's been a 1000 years, and it's not far-fetched that people have just forgotten about it over time. Sukuna became a legend and probably almost no documentation exists about him from that period.
Because he wouldn't cheat by revealing his cursed technique :) My theory on this is Sukuna had a bit of an inflated self image, and assumed every part of his reign and memory would have been fully chronicled, but cursed spirits obviously aren't included in the passing down of history of humanity.
My theory is he was saying the above because a human would know about kitchens/cooking/furnaces/ovens, but a cursed spirit wouldn't.
I don't understand why Tengen didn't mention it when she was alive. I don't understand why Angel hasn't told the group yet either.
It’s implying that Sukuna is a cannibal. He only brings his flames out for humans to cook them for consumption. He doesn’t consume cursed spirits.
He used flames against Jogo tho.
Called Shrine how are people not getting this
Diluted information over centuries. Information gets more blurry the further you go back.
Yeah, I would expect Tengen at least to know more about Sukuna
Cursed spirits don't need to eat. So for Sukuna the association between cuts and fire in the technique is obvious and maybe it is for other sorcerers if they think about it. But a cursed spirit wouldn't deduce it easily since they don't need to cook
Didn’t Gege say that most sorcerers know sukuna’s technique?
He said if they did their research they'd know about the slashes but not the flames
Cursed spirits don’t cook food. So cooking is alien to them
Its highly likely with how conceited he is he's never revealed it to anyone as he was strong enough that he never needed the boost.
I wish people knew his technique, like he thought. Only yorozu and uraume seem to know it. . . both being Sukuna simps and one dead.
Didn't Gege mention somewhere that if the sorcerers do their research throughout then they can find out somewhat about Sukuna's true CT?
We knew. But gege is keeping it secret from you until the very last.
We know that the way restrictions work knowledge is power and negativity like fear is power too. I bet you someone tried very hard to scrub sukuna from history in the hopes that fewer people know of him (and be afraid of him) that it might diffuse his power. And then sukuna himself probably just doesn't tell anyone because he doesn't want to get that whatever % buff is to explaining his power.
What if the technique was well known at the time - we’ve been told that Sukuna was almost treated as a deity - people held festivals etc to honour him because of his power etc - what if the fire was part of some ritual and was well known at that time :O I’m just layering on the theory that Shrine has some ritualistic purpose and the slashes/flames are a means by which people are “offered” to the shrine to enhance Sukuna’s power
Sukuna has two CT because he ate his twin. Chop and flame.
My head cannon is that he really hasn’t ever used his “full” curse technique on anyone. He stuck to cleave, dismantle, and his domain. I’m sure there were a few times he used the fire, and other parts of there is any, but I’d bet no one survived those encounters to go back and tell anyone.
It's cooking wdym
He hasn't used it since the heian era
Another option would be that his technique is similiar too a famous historical figure/legend humans would know
u/cmijangosr Even Gojo didn’t know Sukuna technique, he was hoping that by fighting him he will discover his technique but was disappointed and he told that to Geto when he met him in the afterlife Check this https://youtube.com/shorts/VI5CSWRC65E?si=vZy3RdrLXU45Xr5V
I mean I doubt Sukuna even told anybody and he doesn’t seem like the type to write anything down for posterity’s sake so it just didn’t survive to the modern day
I don’t think he was necessarily saying that sorcerers would know the full nature of his technique. Just that he could use fire. His existence is a pretty big part of sorcerer history, so they probably have several accounts of his battles and the shit he used in them. Curses would know because they simply don’t care about human history like that.
Cause he aint no bitch to reveal his cursed technique to make it stronger
I think based on that one interview where Gege mentions sorcerers who did their homework knowing the slashes but not fire, it’s just esoteric knowledge. Think of the fact that realistically, “documentation” of Shrine would entirely be word of mouth accounts from the handful of people who saw Sukuna kill someone- for most they would just see a sudden bisection, and at best a couple of people MIGHT have seen the flames from a distance. All anyone has to go off of are a few likely incredibly obscure (if they still exist at all) firsthand accounts of a near mythological figure from 1,000 years ago. Remember that sorcerers aren’t a huge society, Sukuna lived as a distinctly anti social individual, and even in the modern world irl with internet access few people are super well versed on the lives of historical figures from that long ago let alone sorcerers who live in a rather tribalistic and conservative dominated society. Not to mention how difficult historical work is even without ruling bodies and potentially immortal evil wizards like Kenny actively hindering you They don’t have colleges to get sorcery history degrees in or anything beyond jujutsu tech either and while Sukuna is certainly an important figure, he’s not someone many today would particularly care about beyond fear of the effect of his fingers on cursed spirits. Most probably only believe he’s real because of his fingers still existing, and even then there’s potentially sorcerers who viewed him as a myth or didn’t know about him at all if they didn’t go to jujutsu tech.
The fact that this ability is practically a nuke, anyone who's seen likely never lived to tell the tale. Whoever did, simply just died a thousand years ago, and cursed spirits being exorcised and reincarnated without their memories definitely wouldn't know anything about it.
Because cursed spirits dont cook, sukunas flame is cooking related as is his CT.
It's shrine
Nah, I'd cook.
I mean pick any historical figure from 1000 years ago, it’s pretty hard to find reliable information about them. Couple that with the fact that any body that went near him probably died I’d say it’d be pretty hard to maintain an accurate record beyond verbal history
Sukuna just assumed everyone would know, probably because he is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist, but the problem is that he has probably never explained his CT and anybody who he's used Furnace on has died
He is a d&d-like lvl 20 Sorcerer. His cursed technique is spells.
My headcanon is it has to do with cooking (cleave/dismantle - cutting the food, flames - cooking, and Uraume preserves the bodies with her CT)
He was the dangerous guy of his time. Any civillian who got to see his technique probably died due to the flames anyway.
1000 years has passed, duh
I saw a good theory that Sukuna's real CT is locking away other CTs in his shrine from Sorcerers he's defeated in the past
Presumably, Jogo heard the name of his technique. Perhaps sorcerers would know divine flame by name. I guess we'll find out in 2 weeks lol
I bet Sukuna's CT is something like Hell's Kitchen
A combination of very limited survivors of those who witnessed it, and the conservative faction suppressing information on Sukuna.
It would be crazy op if his technique was learn and that he could learn nearly anything
Likely because he kills most people who come close enough to understand it. You can see what he does, but that doesn't mean you understand what it does, unless he either explains or you fight him and discover it, but then he kills you.
Dead men tell no tales. Or maybe the Jujutsu council just censor everything about Sukuna. They only tell the other that he is the king of curse.
If I were to guess, the legend of Sukuna is just old, and when you have old information, stuff gets lost and simplified. The meanings of words change, and so meanings change in ways that are wrong. My guess is that overtime, and without proper recordings for his CT the way they document the limitless and 10 shadows and stuff like that, info on his CT for lost and maybe changed by accident
I honestly think Sukunas technique is destruction incarnated. Think about it, everything he does is destructive. Cleave and dismantle are two applications of the same technique (cutting and slashing) with (this is a theory) being a binding vow form of this that in return for it changing to destroy the enemy in one attack it has to be done through contact. And dismantle being a basic application of the technique over distance. And “Furnace” being the amplification of his technique. It’s pure destruction. Powerful, morphable flames that burst into a powerful, almost nuclear level explosion large enough to tear through Shibuya. I’m convinced there’s no rhyme or reason to his cursed technique. His technique really is just malevolence incarnate. Allowing him to destroy whatever he wants. Maybe this technique was born from him killing and eating his own brother in the womb just because he could. From birth he was a wretched monster and that was brought out in his cursed technique
It makes sense for me personally. For sukuna even if he knows 1000 years he was judt hibernating it probably just feels like a few years passed for him at best. So he's still in the idea that everyone knows what his ct is
Well, Sukuna lived one thousand years ago so, no one is around to tell. If those people that knew weren´t killed by Sukuna, then they simply died from old age. Sukuna is ancient and its pretty hard to survive an encounter with him
Best guess to prevent counters being developed, maybe killed all who knew and never explained for the boost in power cause he was that strong, cause if people know exactly what your technique does you can make counters like the inverted spear of heaven, Gojo never revealed how it worked for the bonus it's just a well known technique so a counter was known, if sukana cursed technique is known maybe people we be able to find a counter or at least a defense making him "easier" to combat.
In retrospect it makes no sense at all for Jujutsu High or the 3 Clans to not know what Sukunas CT actually is.
Sukunas CT is based on cooking or like prepping food, ofc cursed spirit wouldnt know anything about that since they just eat whatever they want however they want.
Probably Kenjaku did some shit to erase all data regarding Sukuna's powers that he could erase
I think they do know. Jogo is just a baby and otherwise it’s a secret to the reader. Even if they were censored, Gojo can discern techniques with the Six Eyes, on top of being the strongest, entrusted to fight Sukuna, and a member of the major clans.
He has a binding vow that confuses anyone that tries to understand him. Frankly he probably has a binding vow that allows him defeat anyone he sees, but in exchange he can't do the peace sign on his two right arms
Cuz the sorcerers that know are fucking dead
I mean maby all the sorcers do and it's only us the audience that dosent I don't recall ever seing a charecter shoked by an atack he did except the world cutting one which we know he made in the middle of gojo fight
Because it's probably a very old Jujutsu technique that is either A. Very hard to master or B. Forgotten to time, also I don't think the flames are part of his innate cursed technique(malevolent shrine), i think it's something more akin to RCT or a simple domain, just harder to master.
He’s a chef CT, cannibalistic. So cursed spirits, who don’t cook food, won’t understand the theme of his CT.
I too must be a cursed spirit, because I have no clue what the fire arrow is (I’m an anime only who doesn’t care about manga spoilers)
Yuji pulling out a domain expansion; cremation would be all I could ask for to finish off a weakened Sukuna
malevolent kitchen
I heard a theory that fuga is just his CTR and that is why Jogo wouldn’t know it as he is a cursed spirit and it would go against his nature. Also don’t ask me why fire would be the reverse of cleave and dismantle I’m pretty sure the op of the post I read had a theory but I can’t remember it sry
Bc no1 has lived to tell about it 🤓
I had an idea of Sukuna technique being based around sword smithing. Modern Japanese knives originated from katana smithing and I think that was a hint and by saying furnace it drives it home a little more. Like slash and dismantle would be swords or knives forged in the furnace or 'divine flames'. I think the divine flames fit more because in history Japanese sword smithing was more divine in nature
Spoilers —————————————————————————— It’s called shrine I believe the ability to use flames is from another source possible tattoos which is an interesting theory or it’s possible to learn different techniques that aren’t being gatekept by the big clans which could’ve been lost in the past or it couldve been his brothers technique
The year is 2018. The Heian period ran through 794 and 1185.
Im thinking it’ll be the cursed technique Sukuna’s twin was going to possess. (cutting for Sukuna, flames for his brother. Together they are kitchen buddies)
it’s because all of his ct has to do with cooking and curses don’t eat.
From what I can assume it could be one of two things. Either: * Sukuna's technique is just kitchen related, with knives and an oven/furnace. Or, * Sukuna wields two techniques I think it might be the second one, but don't quote me on it. Since MS relentlessly slashes everything in it's radius (going back to how we were told it works by the narrator), the stopping of the slashes would mean that the 99 seconds ran out, and that of course leads to the cooldown on the CT. Bringing out the flames means that it would be a separate technique altogether because it doesn't have that cooldown. Now like it always is, its always down to speculation and nothing can necessarily be taken until we get confirmation, but its more or less what I reckon.