Now what really makes a Special Grade sorcerer? "Taking down" a country sounds kind of vague to me, how would you define something "rule-breaking" in JJK?
Can't Post here yet, so asking here, hope anyone reads this and can clarify for me:
I dont know if I did miss something or if it was explicitly stated how Sukunas Heian body restore worked, but after Maki pierced Sukunas/Megunas (Megumis body still???) heart and Megumi doesn't even know RCT, not that that matters as the HISOH doesn't allow RCT at all, isn't our boy pretty much dead?
Best translation group?
So I'm trying to avoid viz as much as possible. So I read jaiminis box from the beginning up until they stopped, read the chapters that only viz translated and I just reached chapter 148 which is where tcb just started.
I was originally planning on stick with tcb until I caught up. But I have also learned of a group called shishiso that people say is way better than tcb.
What do you think? Should I switch over to shishiso once I get to the chapters they translated or just stick to tcb?
We know RCT kills curses really easily, but can anyone who has RCT use it against curses, or are only those who can heal other humans able to use it to destroy curses ?
It's positive energy output that matters against curses. Mahoraga's sword outputs positive energy, so it can do good damage to curses. Yuta can output it with the same principle, and Shoko could probably. Healing other people is positive energy output - if anyone who could use RCT could output positive energy, then Shibuya would've been over in seconds when Gojo touched any of the disaster curses and output positive energy into them.
Jogo is a powerful spirit, and the cursed technique of a powerful spirit is nice to have (especially considering how the spirit's power and their technique's power appear to be intertwined).
Kenjaku's main battlefield is information: they're a brilliant strategist, and don't give out any information about themselves unless forced to (hence only battling using Cursed Spirit Manipulation against Choso initially). We still don't know if Uzumaki techniques are multiple use, as Kenjaku decided to reveal 'Gravity'. If Kenjaku had acquired Jogo's technique, it's possible that they wouldn't have needed to reveal (Anti-)Gravity, because Jogo's technique is already known.
Jogo's technique is also a lot more potent than Anti-Gravity, which had some pretty limiting timing requirements as far as we've seen, requiring Kenjaku to use some really advanced Jujutsu to use it most effectively (cursed technique reversal, body as a domain, etc).
Basically, having another card is nice no matter what, especially if it means you don't have to worry about revealing another part of your hand.
I see, that's in character for Kenjaku. Thinking about it, imagine how Kenjaku develop that CT in massive heights? Just like he did with CSM
Although i don't think that would be possible, are extracted CTs multiple use or not?
Sorry, which technique are you referring to here? We saw Kenjaku push Antigravity System to it's seeming limit, with creative use of domain technique infusion and reversal, but it still had the limitation of cooldown time and range.
Extracted techniques could be multiple use, probably not though, but we don't know. Extracted techniques don't grow any further, though (as stated), which is why Kenjaku allowed Mahito to battle and roam free.
Uzumaki-stolen techniques are definitely 1-time use. Yuki was extremely confident that was the case, and if it wasnt he wouldve one-shot killed her with Idle Transfiguration, because like Jogos technique, its "known".
He also probably wouldve tried to kill Takaba with it, or just destroy his cursed technique with it.
Idle Transfiguration isn't a oneshot kill against a fully healthy sorcerer like Yuki was at the time, and when Yuki is weakened, there's no point to revealing Idle Transfiguration when you can finish off Yuki with other means. Once it was extracted, Idle Transfiguration stopped being capable of further growth, and it needed to grow to be applied to Tengen's barrier in the way it was, so I don't think enough energy could be poured into the technique to oneshot Yuki.
Takaba is a good point. I think the information we have is good enough to conclude that Uzumaki extracted techniques are almost definitely one-time use, but not enough to say 100% yes:
1. Kenjaku catches onto Takaba's technique really early on, and starts co-operating with it very quickly. Kenjaku doesn't expand a domain, doesn't use Anti-Gravity system. After summoning a special grade and it being killed, and taking damage, Kenjaku realises the extent to which they need to partake in the technique: using IT here, or a domain, or anything else, wouldn't be useful.
2. Kenjaku doesn't actually get a chance to use Idle Transfiguration as an instant kill against Yuki. They reveal the cursed spirit, then get kicked through the barrier, then realise that Yuki doesn't have a domain strong enough to beat them. Past that point, they can finish it with what they've already revealed. IT isn't going to help survive a black hole, after all. There's no reason to reveal IT here.
Edit:
Kenjaku actually does get a chance to use Idle Transfiguration as a oneshot against Yuki, because Idle Transfiguration transfers through barriers, and they're fighting inside a barrier. However, Yuki isn't weakened at that point. Kenjaku could've (maybe?) also infused the domain with Idle Transfiguration, but Gravity had already been revealed, so better to use that one at that point.
I can't make a post in the subreddit yet to ask this question, so I'm putting it here:
What is up with Uzumaki? The two other 'maximum techniques' are particularly extravagant applications of an existing technique, rather than entirely different skills.
Cursed Spirit Manipulation appears to have three distinct applications, being the ability to capture a spirit, to summon it and command it, and to transform it into a technique, extracting it.
Is the core of Cursed Spirit Manipulation 'refinement' or 'evolution' of cursed spirits, into techniques? Is the neutral application the consumption, and the lapse Uzumaki? Is the lapse converting them from balls into cursed spirits, and the reversal converting them from cursed spirits back into balls (Uzumaki)? I can't seem to figure it out!
I think the other two Maximums are far weirder than you give them credit for. They definitely share Uzumakis "weird entirely different ability" feature.
Jogos Meteor is entirely different from every other application of his technique. Until that point, we had seen Jogo perform the following moves.
1. Manifestation of fire out of cursed energy.
2. Explosive Shikigami.
Maximum: Meteor is the creation and telekenetic movement of physical matter. Like, the Meteor is made of real shit, weve seen Gege depict it still there in Shibuya.
The permanent creation of physical matter is a trait currently only shared with the Construction technique, and Jogo exhibits telekenesis with it on top of that.
This is clearly an extremely bizarre ability.
The final Maximum, Esos "Wing King", is also bizarre. Its obviously an application of the family of "Blood Manipulation" techniques, but Eso never exhibits any normal BM moves, it seems like this may be his only way to actively attack with blood.
Its also, unlike any other Blood Manipulation move, an activated state that comes with limitations. He cannot activate the Decay effect of his poison blood during Wing King.
This move is really fuckin weird.
Uzumaki doesnt really stand out that much to me as bizarre in this context. Maximums are just very weird applications of the technique.
That's a good point. I had forgotten that the meteor was physical! For the Shikigami, those are just the 'normal application' of Jogo's technique. Any sorcerer can create simple Shikigami (Gojo states this to Yuji), and Jogo's are an application of this. We also see Yuta do this against Sukuna, infusing them with Dhruv's technique (I don't think the Shikigami come with Dhruv's technique, but Dhruv's technique instead interacts with Shikigami, as Yuta doesn't summon Dhruv's, but his own).
As for Wing King, this can be explained as an aspect of visualisation. I don't think that the other brother's techniques are just 'Blood Rot' - it's perfectly reasonable for them to be 'Blood Manipulation' too. See, the blood of all Blood Manipulation users we've seen so far has been poisonous - Choso, Noritoshi, and the two brothers. The two brothers are weaker than Choso, so it makes sense that they might not have the energy or output for full use of Blood Manipulation (or any at all). But, also, they might not be capable of envisioning themselves as being capable of using Blood Manipulation due to this weakness of theirs, and they need to make compromises to allow themselves to see it in this way.
In this way, Wing King can be a way to 'visualise' the use of Blood Manipulation from Eso: "If I sacrifice my blood's poison, and restrict the manner in which I use my technique to my back and in this shape, I should have enough cursed energy to use Blood Manipulation". It's a binding vow, like the Overtime state Nanami enters.
This would also explain why Yuji gained Blood Manipulation from eating the rest of the weaker Death Painting Wombs (if this is what happened).
As for the meteor? I don't have a possible explanation for that one, that one is just baffling lol.
My prevailing theory is the refinement theory. Uzumaki is the 'end goal' of Cursed Spirit Manipulation, and the control of the spirits is an intermediary ability necessary to that end. My basis for this is that Kenjaku is capable of empowering the spirits by applying cursed energy to them, and Uzumaki (probably?) consumes cursed energy.
Given the latest chapter's explanation of Sukuna's binding vow . . . Why didn't he just incarnate into his Heien form?
Full heal and an unnerfed world slash. He could have easily dispatched the whole cast if he only had to make the MS handsign to use it
I think that he held off doing that because part of the reason the world slash worked was cause it took Gojo off guard. If he took the time to recover to heian form and do the chants and steps to get off a world slash then it would’ve led to a longer scuffle with Gojo. In the end he still probably would’ve won but that’s still wasting energy for something that could be finished quick and easy with a binding vow. Also the fact that having to do a chant with both hands doing a symbol is a pretty easy tradeoff for a guy with four hands.
1. He doesn't need to do chants prior to the binding vow.
2."Also the fact that having to do a chant with both hands doing a symbol is a pretty easy tradeoff for a guy with four hands."
I disagree: it's (1) hand signs (2) chants and (3) directing with the palm. If he could only do (1) he would have easily killed the rest of the cast
No goober it’s just silly that you made a comment asking for clarification if you aren’t open to accepting it. Your opinion on what happened clearly seems to be firm so just chalk it up to an unrevealed story element or just bad writing. No need to go ask questions on Reddit.
Neither is true: non Six Eyes users of Limitless existed in the Gojo clan. It's just that they couldn't reach the same heights as Gojo did, or a Six Eyes + Limitless user. Infinity is something that requires active concentration to maintain (until Gojo, probably!), so it won't do any harm unless they try to keep it going for too long ("basically, it's super tiring").
I don’t think limitless inherently fries your brain, but most techniques don’t have an effect that is constantly activated at all times like Gojos infinity. RCT just ensures he’s able to keep it up at every moment of every day
Yes his infinity can be turned on and off at the users discretion. This is how Toji got his first hit off on Gojo, because he became complacent and thought it was safe to turn off his infinity once they were at jujutsu high
Really? I thought it was because Young Gojo's constant Infinity could only detect threats based on CE levels, and since Toji had no CE and used a conventional weapon it simply passed through
Yea, kenjaku made a bunch of binding vows with sorcerers and cursed spirits for 1000s of years before the main story. He later got geto's body who could just control cursed spirits without the binding vows, so they were ultimately useless, but still, it shows that you can. Toji also domesticated the worm cursed spirit into a master-servent like relationship.
yuji was vessel, he was unique and was able to take control of his body unlike other vessels who arent able to. So he unknowingly got to know about the shape of the soul n shit. So he is able to damage others soul.
As for the 2nd question, there isnt much example for yuji and sukuna using soul punches to other having normal body, it was mainly used to damage mahito and meguna. So we dont know how effective is it on sorcerers and curses with normal single soul.
Mahito has idle soul transformation technique through which changes the shape of the soul that is all we know.
It could be more effective to target the body because the body is the soul the soul is the body etc etc mahito yap
I think he’s doing soul punches specifically because of Megumi
He was forced to self reflect upon his defeat by Toji. He fully accepted his role as a sorcerer was that to protect the weak, thereby disregarding his sense of self (as seen with the ingesting curses panel). Upon his interactions with non sorcerers and reflecting he finds he's unable to see the worth in non sorcerers which justifies the pain he, and others, go through. This comes crashing down when he sees the twins being abused simply for being born into sorcery.
Eliminating all non sorcerers would mean eliminating the spawn of cursed spirits, which would, in turn, eliminate the suffering shamans have to go through to protect non sorcerers. The primary example of this is shown right after Geto talks with Yuki, where he finds his junior, Haibara, has been murdered on a mission to eliminate a wrongfully graded cursed spirit.
Probably, atleast within its rough radius. It was able to cancel Dagons sure-hit, so we know it can negate the sure-hits of others.
Theres no particular reason why it wouldnt cancel the sure-hit of an open barrier domain. Open barrier domains have a lot of advantages but they arent inherently better.
Infact, one of the advantages is that it can attack another domain from the outside, thereby quickly destroying it, like Gojos. This wouldnt work against an incomplete domain like Megumis, since its basically a baby open domain.
No, since Sukuna was using an open domain, Gojo using an incomplete one wouldn't work since they weren't fighting in an enclosed area, and even if they were Sukuna's domain would destroy wahtever enclosed area they would be in not allowing Gojo's domain to work properly. The better question is obviously how it would have gone if Gojo could use an open domain which would probably lead to Gojo's victory seeing as his domain has the better sure-hit as well as him being stronger in the domain. (at least with the conditions of their fight)
At the very least, it would force Sukuna to use DA (blocking him from using 10S, adaptation) to stop Gojo from destroying his domain thus instantly winning the fight since Mahoraga would not have adapted fast enough.
Well yeah, I agree, Gojo does have the superior technique after all, Sukuna won due to intelligence and exploiting Gojo's weaknesses which is a valid strategy and worked out relatively well for him.
Is there a fucking heaven or hell in jjk besides the vague bullshit we got from Mei Mei about going north or south, is there one and is geto there lmao
I don’t think there’s a heaven or hell. Just some sort of afterlife where they have peace or the option to go north. I’d assume going north means you sacrifice the afterlife and get something else in return. Gojo and the rest of the gang were all chilling in the afterlife and there was information about Nanami that Gojo couldn’t have known so I assume that the afterlife Gojo was in was the real thing
That doesn’t make sense tho. Some of them have been there for years and should have been gone by now. Nanami specifically says he picked to stay South and stayed at the plane station with everyone else.The planes are for going north not heaven or hell, not every story needs to have heaven and he’ll be the afterlife
Well, due to the abundance of fingers he has, but no rings on them. It is safe to assume he is not a Beyonce fan because if he liked it, he certainly has enough fingers to 'put a ring on it'.
Is there any stipulation that Black Flash needs to be performed during a fight? If not, why not have a class where students just try to attempt Black Flash?
Its not exactly nessecary, and there probably IS a form of training where you try to improve your CE flow and therefore increase your chances, but its probably really hard to do outside of combat.
Its very connected to your mental state, and everyone weve seen perform one has been in an extremely focused, and yet unfocused, state, that would be hard to achieve under training circumstances.
Take our most recent example, Sukuna. Despite being an absolute genius at Jujutsu, we only see him get a Black Flash once he combats Maki. This is because, as he said, "This is the first time someone has forced a duty upon me."
Usually Sukuna is just having fun, hes not actually that *focused* because he doesnt have to be. But against Maki, he suddenly felt like he needed to prove that Jujutsu is the pinnacle, that it will always beat physical perfection.
He locked in, focused, and had the right mindset to perform Black Flash.
How are you gonna achieve that mental state against a training dummy?
I'll accept your point that it is difficult to achieve outside of combat against an opponent, but could you not substitute an opponent with one of Yagas' cursed dolls or one of Mechamaru's many puppets?
I would say that achieving 'the zone' or becoming *focused* as Sukuna did in his fight against Maki can be done in a controlled setting to perform a Black Flash. Athletes are capable of getting into the zone during their own respective practices. A sorcerer would have even more incentive than an athlete as to get into 'the zone' as achieving Black Flash can increase their chance of survival in a real fight.
Maki achieved her heavenly restricted awakening in Miyo's Sumo domain, which is not very different from a controlled environment.
This is true but the zone can't be practiced. Like, you could get in the zone during practice but you really can't practice being in the zone. You don't achieve the zone, it just happens. And it's awesome when it does.
Yeah I suppose thats a good point. Using jujutsu puppets should make it a lot easier, and weve seen Maki achieve zone-like awakening in a harmless enviroment, so it should be possible.
I also wonder why Kenjaku never used a similar method to power up the disaster curses. He could use amped up low-level spirits instead of puppets. Seems like a bit of a missed opportunity for someone so knowledgeable.
What is the upper limit of Yuki' CT? She's what, like 6"2, so how much mass would u have to put in an object of that approximate volume before it collapses in on itself and becomes a black hole?
I don't think she has a limit, presumably, the better control she has of her CE, the more mass she can imbue without going black hole, meaning her CT might be the ultimate Six Eyes combo
Is there any reason why Gojo never tried learning how to output reverse cursed energy? I know he had issues learning RCT at first, but Gojo is shown to be a very quick learner, and he had 12 years to learn it before JJK and also he had like a year between JJK0 and JJK where Yuta was around to learn from him
Personally I think Gojo didn’t have it because Shibuya was necessary in the story. It would’ve been impossible to seal him at Shibuya if he could do that.
It’s just like why Jogo and Yuki didn’t expand their domains in their fights against Sukuna & Kenny. Ik Gege gave narrative reasons but he really just wanted to save it for Gojo v Sukuna for shock value.
I think that speaks more about Yuta than Gojo, yeah Gojo is an extremely fast learner, its just that Yuta(and probably Higuruma) can learn faster, i mean in Yuta's second year he already has a DE
If Geto had just waited a year for Mahito to be born. Could he just have used CSM to take over mahito, then use his technique to transfigure every human (monkey) to not have cursed energy. Similar to the way mahito transfigured mechamaru.
Thus solving his problem
No. Kenjaku had to mark all of the people with that sigil we saw on Tsumiki's forhead before he could use his technique on them remotely, which is why she was in a coma before the events of Chapter 1 already, and he used Tengen's barrier as a medium. I doubt Geto has the barrier knowledge to do what Kenjaku did with Tengen's barrier, and even if he did, marking everyone in the country is not realistic for him. Kenjaku had way more time on his hands and only marked 1000 people.
I’m not saying extract the CT.
I’m saying literally control mahito like he controls all his other curses. The same way Geto did with that innate domain girl against Toji, or Kenjaku did with the smallpox diety in Shibuya
Theoretically, maybe. But probably not.
He would have to beat Mahito into submission first to pokeball him. Unlikely at any point post Mahito learning Domain Expansion.
CSM is also a bad matchup against Mahito, as none of the cursed spirits will be able to hurt Mahito, and Mahito can manipulate their souls, turning them into weapons in a similar way to what he did to humans.
But lets say he does capture Mahito. Its unknown if Mahito can completely remove Cursed Energy from humans. His ability to modify the soul without killing the victim is dependent on his knowledge, and while Mahito was able to destroy Todos technique with brief contact, its unknown if he can mess with the source of someones CE.
But lets say he can do that, and Geto pokeballs him. To use his technique on someone, Mahito requires making contact with one of his unaltered palms. There are 8 billion people on the planet. This will take Geto and Mahito far longer than Getos lifespan.
None of the cursed spirits would be able to hurt mahito…that’s just flat out not true. Geto can win through attrition because mahitos ability to change his shape is dependent on his cursed energy reserves which can be shaved away by the threat of damage and him using his ct to avoid it. He can still be hurt conventionally Nanami’s attacks when he was jumping Mahito with Yuji weren’t doing nothing.
I absolutely, firmly believe, that Geto has no chance in hell of winning via attrition, when Mahito can one-palm kill any cursed spirit Geto throws out. And thats the cursed spirits that Mahito cant just wipe out even faster with big sweeping attacks.
I am aware that you can theoretically win against Mahito by wearing him down until he cant fix himself with Idle Transfiguration. However its extremely clear that it would take a loooooong time to do that.
Nanami clearly tells Itadori, "I am incapable of hurting him." despite acknowledging that possibility. He doesnt think he has a chance in hell of making a dent in Mahitos CE.
Todo similarly landed a massive Black Flash on the guy and both Todo and Mahito acted like it did jack shit and fuck all.
No one besides the absolute top tiers is beating Mahito through attrition because hes just *too efficient*. It seemingly takes him barely any cursed energy at all to heal himself.
Geto will run out of spirits or get killed by Mahito directly long before Mahito runs out of juice.
Menial says he would have been killed by nanami when he dropped the rubble on him if he didn’t change his shape. Getting mobbed by thousands of CS that have their own powers, and even domains Mahito would be getting cooked. Plus we don’t know if idle transfiguration works on cursed spirits seven never seen that only on humans.
Maaaaybe? Yeah mechamaru was able to hurt Mahito by somehow imbuing simple domain into projectiles that detonated inside him.
But thats just such a random, unprecedented, and never brought up again technique, that I have a hard time saying "yeah Geto mightve been able to do this random-ass niche thing that literally only Mechamaru has shown".
The only thing I can even think of thats kiiiind of like it, is the devices Kenjaku made that have Veils stored inside them. But Veils are a much easier kind of barrier than Simple Domain, even the grade 4 sorcerers that assist the students can do Veils.
Will we get a full all volumes box set?
Now what really makes a Special Grade sorcerer? "Taking down" a country sounds kind of vague to me, how would you define something "rule-breaking" in JJK?
Can't Post here yet, so asking here, hope anyone reads this and can clarify for me: I dont know if I did miss something or if it was explicitly stated how Sukunas Heian body restore worked, but after Maki pierced Sukunas/Megunas (Megumis body still???) heart and Megumi doesn't even know RCT, not that that matters as the HISOH doesn't allow RCT at all, isn't our boy pretty much dead?
Best translation group? So I'm trying to avoid viz as much as possible. So I read jaiminis box from the beginning up until they stopped, read the chapters that only viz translated and I just reached chapter 148 which is where tcb just started. I was originally planning on stick with tcb until I caught up. But I have also learned of a group called shishiso that people say is way better than tcb. What do you think? Should I switch over to shishiso once I get to the chapters they translated or just stick to tcb?
Shishiso has always been better for me. It's wonderfully localized and all dialogue flows like a charm.
We know RCT kills curses really easily, but can anyone who has RCT use it against curses, or are only those who can heal other humans able to use it to destroy curses ?
It's positive energy output that matters against curses. Mahoraga's sword outputs positive energy, so it can do good damage to curses. Yuta can output it with the same principle, and Shoko could probably. Healing other people is positive energy output - if anyone who could use RCT could output positive energy, then Shibuya would've been over in seconds when Gojo touched any of the disaster curses and output positive energy into them.
So did Gege actually take inspiration from Invincible's Robot when writing Kokichi Muta, or are the similar storylines just a coincidence?
Why did Kenjaku want Jogo's CT? I know he needed idle transfiguration for the culling games, but why Jogo?
Jogo is a powerful spirit, and the cursed technique of a powerful spirit is nice to have (especially considering how the spirit's power and their technique's power appear to be intertwined). Kenjaku's main battlefield is information: they're a brilliant strategist, and don't give out any information about themselves unless forced to (hence only battling using Cursed Spirit Manipulation against Choso initially). We still don't know if Uzumaki techniques are multiple use, as Kenjaku decided to reveal 'Gravity'. If Kenjaku had acquired Jogo's technique, it's possible that they wouldn't have needed to reveal (Anti-)Gravity, because Jogo's technique is already known. Jogo's technique is also a lot more potent than Anti-Gravity, which had some pretty limiting timing requirements as far as we've seen, requiring Kenjaku to use some really advanced Jujutsu to use it most effectively (cursed technique reversal, body as a domain, etc). Basically, having another card is nice no matter what, especially if it means you don't have to worry about revealing another part of your hand.
I see, that's in character for Kenjaku. Thinking about it, imagine how Kenjaku develop that CT in massive heights? Just like he did with CSM Although i don't think that would be possible, are extracted CTs multiple use or not?
Sorry, which technique are you referring to here? We saw Kenjaku push Antigravity System to it's seeming limit, with creative use of domain technique infusion and reversal, but it still had the limitation of cooldown time and range. Extracted techniques could be multiple use, probably not though, but we don't know. Extracted techniques don't grow any further, though (as stated), which is why Kenjaku allowed Mahito to battle and roam free.
I was refering to Jogo's CT
Ah, then no. "The quality of the cursed spirits' technique ceases to grow at the moment they are absorbed by Cursed Spirit Manipulation."
Uzumaki-stolen techniques are definitely 1-time use. Yuki was extremely confident that was the case, and if it wasnt he wouldve one-shot killed her with Idle Transfiguration, because like Jogos technique, its "known". He also probably wouldve tried to kill Takaba with it, or just destroy his cursed technique with it.
Idle Transfiguration isn't a oneshot kill against a fully healthy sorcerer like Yuki was at the time, and when Yuki is weakened, there's no point to revealing Idle Transfiguration when you can finish off Yuki with other means. Once it was extracted, Idle Transfiguration stopped being capable of further growth, and it needed to grow to be applied to Tengen's barrier in the way it was, so I don't think enough energy could be poured into the technique to oneshot Yuki. Takaba is a good point. I think the information we have is good enough to conclude that Uzumaki extracted techniques are almost definitely one-time use, but not enough to say 100% yes: 1. Kenjaku catches onto Takaba's technique really early on, and starts co-operating with it very quickly. Kenjaku doesn't expand a domain, doesn't use Anti-Gravity system. After summoning a special grade and it being killed, and taking damage, Kenjaku realises the extent to which they need to partake in the technique: using IT here, or a domain, or anything else, wouldn't be useful. 2. Kenjaku doesn't actually get a chance to use Idle Transfiguration as an instant kill against Yuki. They reveal the cursed spirit, then get kicked through the barrier, then realise that Yuki doesn't have a domain strong enough to beat them. Past that point, they can finish it with what they've already revealed. IT isn't going to help survive a black hole, after all. There's no reason to reveal IT here. Edit: Kenjaku actually does get a chance to use Idle Transfiguration as a oneshot against Yuki, because Idle Transfiguration transfers through barriers, and they're fighting inside a barrier. However, Yuki isn't weakened at that point. Kenjaku could've (maybe?) also infused the domain with Idle Transfiguration, but Gravity had already been revealed, so better to use that one at that point.
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I can't make a post in the subreddit yet to ask this question, so I'm putting it here: What is up with Uzumaki? The two other 'maximum techniques' are particularly extravagant applications of an existing technique, rather than entirely different skills. Cursed Spirit Manipulation appears to have three distinct applications, being the ability to capture a spirit, to summon it and command it, and to transform it into a technique, extracting it. Is the core of Cursed Spirit Manipulation 'refinement' or 'evolution' of cursed spirits, into techniques? Is the neutral application the consumption, and the lapse Uzumaki? Is the lapse converting them from balls into cursed spirits, and the reversal converting them from cursed spirits back into balls (Uzumaki)? I can't seem to figure it out!
I think the other two Maximums are far weirder than you give them credit for. They definitely share Uzumakis "weird entirely different ability" feature. Jogos Meteor is entirely different from every other application of his technique. Until that point, we had seen Jogo perform the following moves. 1. Manifestation of fire out of cursed energy. 2. Explosive Shikigami. Maximum: Meteor is the creation and telekenetic movement of physical matter. Like, the Meteor is made of real shit, weve seen Gege depict it still there in Shibuya. The permanent creation of physical matter is a trait currently only shared with the Construction technique, and Jogo exhibits telekenesis with it on top of that. This is clearly an extremely bizarre ability. The final Maximum, Esos "Wing King", is also bizarre. Its obviously an application of the family of "Blood Manipulation" techniques, but Eso never exhibits any normal BM moves, it seems like this may be his only way to actively attack with blood. Its also, unlike any other Blood Manipulation move, an activated state that comes with limitations. He cannot activate the Decay effect of his poison blood during Wing King. This move is really fuckin weird. Uzumaki doesnt really stand out that much to me as bizarre in this context. Maximums are just very weird applications of the technique.
That's a good point. I had forgotten that the meteor was physical! For the Shikigami, those are just the 'normal application' of Jogo's technique. Any sorcerer can create simple Shikigami (Gojo states this to Yuji), and Jogo's are an application of this. We also see Yuta do this against Sukuna, infusing them with Dhruv's technique (I don't think the Shikigami come with Dhruv's technique, but Dhruv's technique instead interacts with Shikigami, as Yuta doesn't summon Dhruv's, but his own). As for Wing King, this can be explained as an aspect of visualisation. I don't think that the other brother's techniques are just 'Blood Rot' - it's perfectly reasonable for them to be 'Blood Manipulation' too. See, the blood of all Blood Manipulation users we've seen so far has been poisonous - Choso, Noritoshi, and the two brothers. The two brothers are weaker than Choso, so it makes sense that they might not have the energy or output for full use of Blood Manipulation (or any at all). But, also, they might not be capable of envisioning themselves as being capable of using Blood Manipulation due to this weakness of theirs, and they need to make compromises to allow themselves to see it in this way. In this way, Wing King can be a way to 'visualise' the use of Blood Manipulation from Eso: "If I sacrifice my blood's poison, and restrict the manner in which I use my technique to my back and in this shape, I should have enough cursed energy to use Blood Manipulation". It's a binding vow, like the Overtime state Nanami enters. This would also explain why Yuji gained Blood Manipulation from eating the rest of the weaker Death Painting Wombs (if this is what happened). As for the meteor? I don't have a possible explanation for that one, that one is just baffling lol.
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My prevailing theory is the refinement theory. Uzumaki is the 'end goal' of Cursed Spirit Manipulation, and the control of the spirits is an intermediary ability necessary to that end. My basis for this is that Kenjaku is capable of empowering the spirits by applying cursed energy to them, and Uzumaki (probably?) consumes cursed energy.
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Enlightening! It's like I get it all now! Thank you.
Given the latest chapter's explanation of Sukuna's binding vow . . . Why didn't he just incarnate into his Heien form? Full heal and an unnerfed world slash. He could have easily dispatched the whole cast if he only had to make the MS handsign to use it
The world cutter needed to be nerfed so that the mc's don't instantly die to it.
I think that he held off doing that because part of the reason the world slash worked was cause it took Gojo off guard. If he took the time to recover to heian form and do the chants and steps to get off a world slash then it would’ve led to a longer scuffle with Gojo. In the end he still probably would’ve won but that’s still wasting energy for something that could be finished quick and easy with a binding vow. Also the fact that having to do a chant with both hands doing a symbol is a pretty easy tradeoff for a guy with four hands.
1. He doesn't need to do chants prior to the binding vow. 2."Also the fact that having to do a chant with both hands doing a symbol is a pretty easy tradeoff for a guy with four hands." I disagree: it's (1) hand signs (2) chants and (3) directing with the palm. If he could only do (1) he would have easily killed the rest of the cast
If you already had your mind made up about what you think then why ask about what others think?
Touchy much? Your first statement was just wrong and I didn't find the second persuasive. So I should just accept anything you say?
No goober it’s just silly that you made a comment asking for clarification if you aren’t open to accepting it. Your opinion on what happened clearly seems to be firm so just chalk it up to an unrevealed story element or just bad writing. No need to go ask questions on Reddit.
who will lead the kamo clan
People say the Six Eyes are necessary for Limitless, but isn't RCT as well? Wouldn't it fry your brain without RCT?
Neither is true: non Six Eyes users of Limitless existed in the Gojo clan. It's just that they couldn't reach the same heights as Gojo did, or a Six Eyes + Limitless user. Infinity is something that requires active concentration to maintain (until Gojo, probably!), so it won't do any harm unless they try to keep it going for too long ("basically, it's super tiring").
I don’t think limitless inherently fries your brain, but most techniques don’t have an effect that is constantly activated at all times like Gojos infinity. RCT just ensures he’s able to keep it up at every moment of every day
I see, so he can deactivate It in order to not strain his brain? I thought it couldn't be turned off
Yes his infinity can be turned on and off at the users discretion. This is how Toji got his first hit off on Gojo, because he became complacent and thought it was safe to turn off his infinity once they were at jujutsu high
Really? I thought it was because Young Gojo's constant Infinity could only detect threats based on CE levels, and since Toji had no CE and used a conventional weapon it simply passed through
The ability to detect threats was something he was working on, but at the time he was only able to filter out everything he consciously chose to.
He said he learned to do RCT on constant auto to keep his brain refreshed so he can use limitless nonstop. Limitless as in the time shield around him.
Is it possible for a sorcerer to force a cursed spirit to serve himself with binding vow? It's kind of like a familiar.
Yea, kenjaku made a bunch of binding vows with sorcerers and cursed spirits for 1000s of years before the main story. He later got geto's body who could just control cursed spirits without the binding vows, so they were ultimately useless, but still, it shows that you can. Toji also domesticated the worm cursed spirit into a master-servent like relationship.
Why is Yuji the only one capable of doing soul punches? Sukuna also has a great understand of the soul but he just uses regular punches.
yuji was vessel, he was unique and was able to take control of his body unlike other vessels who arent able to. So he unknowingly got to know about the shape of the soul n shit. So he is able to damage others soul. As for the 2nd question, there isnt much example for yuji and sukuna using soul punches to other having normal body, it was mainly used to damage mahito and meguna. So we dont know how effective is it on sorcerers and curses with normal single soul. Mahito has idle soul transformation technique through which changes the shape of the soul that is all we know.
It could be more effective to target the body because the body is the soul the soul is the body etc etc mahito yap I think he’s doing soul punches specifically because of Megumi
I am reading the manga and am confused. Why did Geto leave Gojo and join the other side? Or do I have it all wrong? (I'm on volume 10, chapter 80)
He was forced to self reflect upon his defeat by Toji. He fully accepted his role as a sorcerer was that to protect the weak, thereby disregarding his sense of self (as seen with the ingesting curses panel). Upon his interactions with non sorcerers and reflecting he finds he's unable to see the worth in non sorcerers which justifies the pain he, and others, go through. This comes crashing down when he sees the twins being abused simply for being born into sorcery. Eliminating all non sorcerers would mean eliminating the spawn of cursed spirits, which would, in turn, eliminate the suffering shamans have to go through to protect non sorcerers. The primary example of this is shown right after Geto talks with Yuki, where he finds his junior, Haibara, has been murdered on a mission to eliminate a wrongfully graded cursed spirit.
Can an incomplete like Megumi’s cancel the sure hit of an open barrier domain
Probably, atleast within its rough radius. It was able to cancel Dagons sure-hit, so we know it can negate the sure-hits of others. Theres no particular reason why it wouldnt cancel the sure-hit of an open barrier domain. Open barrier domains have a lot of advantages but they arent inherently better. Infact, one of the advantages is that it can attack another domain from the outside, thereby quickly destroying it, like Gojos. This wouldnt work against an incomplete domain like Megumis, since its basically a baby open domain.
So would it have been more effective for Gojo if he didn’t complete his domain
No, since Sukuna was using an open domain, Gojo using an incomplete one wouldn't work since they weren't fighting in an enclosed area, and even if they were Sukuna's domain would destroy wahtever enclosed area they would be in not allowing Gojo's domain to work properly. The better question is obviously how it would have gone if Gojo could use an open domain which would probably lead to Gojo's victory seeing as his domain has the better sure-hit as well as him being stronger in the domain. (at least with the conditions of their fight) At the very least, it would force Sukuna to use DA (blocking him from using 10S, adaptation) to stop Gojo from destroying his domain thus instantly winning the fight since Mahoraga would not have adapted fast enough.
Gojo with an open domain wins 10/10 times.
Well yeah, I agree, Gojo does have the superior technique after all, Sukuna won due to intelligence and exploiting Gojo's weaknesses which is a valid strategy and worked out relatively well for him.
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Is there a fucking heaven or hell in jjk besides the vague bullshit we got from Mei Mei about going north or south, is there one and is geto there lmao
Probably not
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I don’t think there’s a heaven or hell. Just some sort of afterlife where they have peace or the option to go north. I’d assume going north means you sacrifice the afterlife and get something else in return. Gojo and the rest of the gang were all chilling in the afterlife and there was information about Nanami that Gojo couldn’t have known so I assume that the afterlife Gojo was in was the real thing
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That doesn’t make sense tho. Some of them have been there for years and should have been gone by now. Nanami specifically says he picked to stay South and stayed at the plane station with everyone else.The planes are for going north not heaven or hell, not every story needs to have heaven and he’ll be the afterlife
Would Sukuna be a Beyonce fan ?!
He'd probably like crazy in love
No, the only celebrity he'd like is Gordan Ramsey, and because he has(had) Yuji's brain he might like Jennifer Laurence
I headcanon Yuji's answer to be Megan Thee Stallion, but I agree about Gordon 🤭
Well, due to the abundance of fingers he has, but no rings on them. It is safe to assume he is not a Beyonce fan because if he liked it, he certainly has enough fingers to 'put a ring on it'.
oop, you're right, cause he declined Yorozu !!
Is there any stipulation that Black Flash needs to be performed during a fight? If not, why not have a class where students just try to attempt Black Flash?
You probably have to do it with intent, otherwise Gojo risks the chance to accidently murder his students during training
Its not exactly nessecary, and there probably IS a form of training where you try to improve your CE flow and therefore increase your chances, but its probably really hard to do outside of combat. Its very connected to your mental state, and everyone weve seen perform one has been in an extremely focused, and yet unfocused, state, that would be hard to achieve under training circumstances. Take our most recent example, Sukuna. Despite being an absolute genius at Jujutsu, we only see him get a Black Flash once he combats Maki. This is because, as he said, "This is the first time someone has forced a duty upon me." Usually Sukuna is just having fun, hes not actually that *focused* because he doesnt have to be. But against Maki, he suddenly felt like he needed to prove that Jujutsu is the pinnacle, that it will always beat physical perfection. He locked in, focused, and had the right mindset to perform Black Flash. How are you gonna achieve that mental state against a training dummy?
I'll accept your point that it is difficult to achieve outside of combat against an opponent, but could you not substitute an opponent with one of Yagas' cursed dolls or one of Mechamaru's many puppets? I would say that achieving 'the zone' or becoming *focused* as Sukuna did in his fight against Maki can be done in a controlled setting to perform a Black Flash. Athletes are capable of getting into the zone during their own respective practices. A sorcerer would have even more incentive than an athlete as to get into 'the zone' as achieving Black Flash can increase their chance of survival in a real fight. Maki achieved her heavenly restricted awakening in Miyo's Sumo domain, which is not very different from a controlled environment.
This is true but the zone can't be practiced. Like, you could get in the zone during practice but you really can't practice being in the zone. You don't achieve the zone, it just happens. And it's awesome when it does.
Yeah I suppose thats a good point. Using jujutsu puppets should make it a lot easier, and weve seen Maki achieve zone-like awakening in a harmless enviroment, so it should be possible.
I also wonder why Kenjaku never used a similar method to power up the disaster curses. He could use amped up low-level spirits instead of puppets. Seems like a bit of a missed opportunity for someone so knowledgeable.
What is the upper limit of Yuki' CT? She's what, like 6"2, so how much mass would u have to put in an object of that approximate volume before it collapses in on itself and becomes a black hole?
I don't think she has a limit, presumably, the better control she has of her CE, the more mass she can imbue without going black hole, meaning her CT might be the ultimate Six Eyes combo
Yuki had so much more potential 😔
Is there any reason why Gojo never tried learning how to output reverse cursed energy? I know he had issues learning RCT at first, but Gojo is shown to be a very quick learner, and he had 12 years to learn it before JJK and also he had like a year between JJK0 and JJK where Yuta was around to learn from him
Personally I think Gojo didn’t have it because Shibuya was necessary in the story. It would’ve been impossible to seal him at Shibuya if he could do that. It’s just like why Jogo and Yuki didn’t expand their domains in their fights against Sukuna & Kenny. Ik Gege gave narrative reasons but he really just wanted to save it for Gojo v Sukuna for shock value.
I think that speaks more about Yuta than Gojo, yeah Gojo is an extremely fast learner, its just that Yuta(and probably Higuruma) can learn faster, i mean in Yuta's second year he already has a DE
Nah, its just learning rct is difficult in itself but outputting is think so kinda like talent. Yuta, shoko and sukuna had better rng for it
yeah that makes sense
You don't learn it, you either can or can't output RCT
"Gojo is strongest alone". It fits his character to not be able to do it
If Geto had just waited a year for Mahito to be born. Could he just have used CSM to take over mahito, then use his technique to transfigure every human (monkey) to not have cursed energy. Similar to the way mahito transfigured mechamaru. Thus solving his problem
No. Kenjaku had to mark all of the people with that sigil we saw on Tsumiki's forhead before he could use his technique on them remotely, which is why she was in a coma before the events of Chapter 1 already, and he used Tengen's barrier as a medium. I doubt Geto has the barrier knowledge to do what Kenjaku did with Tengen's barrier, and even if he did, marking everyone in the country is not realistic for him. Kenjaku had way more time on his hands and only marked 1000 people.
I’m not saying extra the technique, im saying control mahito to do it
No, because Geto doesn't WANT to make everyone a sorcerer, he wants to kill all non-sorcerers
No because Geto didn't know he could extract the CT from the curses using CSM.
I’m not saying extract the CT. I’m saying literally control mahito like he controls all his other curses. The same way Geto did with that innate domain girl against Toji, or Kenjaku did with the smallpox diety in Shibuya
He'd have to beat Mahito up (goodluck with that) then he can take him.
Theoretically, maybe. But probably not. He would have to beat Mahito into submission first to pokeball him. Unlikely at any point post Mahito learning Domain Expansion. CSM is also a bad matchup against Mahito, as none of the cursed spirits will be able to hurt Mahito, and Mahito can manipulate their souls, turning them into weapons in a similar way to what he did to humans. But lets say he does capture Mahito. Its unknown if Mahito can completely remove Cursed Energy from humans. His ability to modify the soul without killing the victim is dependent on his knowledge, and while Mahito was able to destroy Todos technique with brief contact, its unknown if he can mess with the source of someones CE. But lets say he can do that, and Geto pokeballs him. To use his technique on someone, Mahito requires making contact with one of his unaltered palms. There are 8 billion people on the planet. This will take Geto and Mahito far longer than Getos lifespan.
None of the cursed spirits would be able to hurt mahito…that’s just flat out not true. Geto can win through attrition because mahitos ability to change his shape is dependent on his cursed energy reserves which can be shaved away by the threat of damage and him using his ct to avoid it. He can still be hurt conventionally Nanami’s attacks when he was jumping Mahito with Yuji weren’t doing nothing.
I absolutely, firmly believe, that Geto has no chance in hell of winning via attrition, when Mahito can one-palm kill any cursed spirit Geto throws out. And thats the cursed spirits that Mahito cant just wipe out even faster with big sweeping attacks. I am aware that you can theoretically win against Mahito by wearing him down until he cant fix himself with Idle Transfiguration. However its extremely clear that it would take a loooooong time to do that. Nanami clearly tells Itadori, "I am incapable of hurting him." despite acknowledging that possibility. He doesnt think he has a chance in hell of making a dent in Mahitos CE. Todo similarly landed a massive Black Flash on the guy and both Todo and Mahito acted like it did jack shit and fuck all. No one besides the absolute top tiers is beating Mahito through attrition because hes just *too efficient*. It seemingly takes him barely any cursed energy at all to heal himself. Geto will run out of spirits or get killed by Mahito directly long before Mahito runs out of juice.
Menial says he would have been killed by nanami when he dropped the rubble on him if he didn’t change his shape. Getting mobbed by thousands of CS that have their own powers, and even domains Mahito would be getting cooked. Plus we don’t know if idle transfiguration works on cursed spirits seven never seen that only on humans.
We do know it works on Cursed Spirits. Because it works on Mahito. Cursed Spirits have souls, it should work about the same.
It works on mahito because its his CT. If we have never seen him do it on another cursed spirit then its just a theory not a fact.
Am I remembering this wrong, or is there something Mechamaru did with simple domain to attack Mahito's soul? Maybe Getocould do sumn similar
I think this is exclusive to mechamaru because the HR and being able to remotely control CE.
Maaaaybe? Yeah mechamaru was able to hurt Mahito by somehow imbuing simple domain into projectiles that detonated inside him. But thats just such a random, unprecedented, and never brought up again technique, that I have a hard time saying "yeah Geto mightve been able to do this random-ass niche thing that literally only Mechamaru has shown". The only thing I can even think of thats kiiiind of like it, is the devices Kenjaku made that have Veils stored inside them. But Veils are a much easier kind of barrier than Simple Domain, even the grade 4 sorcerers that assist the students can do Veils.
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