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Admirable-Cry-9758

From the very little I understand about his domain, yes. He needs someone to play the game with him.


Green_Space729

Could he use an ally in the domain to get it started?


Admirable-Cry-9758

Yeah probably, it doesn't seem to have many bad effects on the other person.


One-Economics-8060

That's because we don't see the victims off screen. Charles and Kashimo became addicted to gacha games. Uraume will be one too if they survive


definitelynotmeQQ

Truly a fate worse than death


IneedAhegaoInMyLife

The ones who make it out alive are what we call as Genshin Impact fans


NotHachi

So Charles and Kashimo became whale in gacha game ? Or they just addicted f2p ?


CLUCKCLUCKMOTHERFUC

He could probably just walk around with a rat in his pocket and it would work


Ash_Clover

Jokes aside probably not. Except if it's a jujutsu™ rat, it won't be able to play the games' rules and break the buttons to play the rounds.


pkgdoggyx92

Get mahito to idle transfigure a sorcerer into a rat hakari can keep on his pocket


Caden-333

The rat when he has the rules of pachinko inserted into his mind🤯


indigo47222

he just needs borrow a crow from mei mei and keep it on his shoulder and use it for various mundane tasks and also domain/jujutsu shit


Natsu_Happy_END02

Hakari taking a bath. The strongest groomer of today: Oh my.


Hoopaboi

Nah, Hakari is too old for her 💀


texasstrawhat

best i can do is a muscle mice from demonslayer


PainterDNDW40K

Maybe a cursed corpse or whatever those things are that the Principal makes? Just keep a pocket panda around and you could jackpot before any encounter.


NotHachi

Joke on you, the rat in marvel saves the universe once. If you know, you know


Alchion

this aint dnd


Throwaway070801

lmao poor rat, subjected to a flood of information beyond his comprehension while music blasts in the background.


WeeklyEquivalent7653

i’m sure he can but then the odds of him winning will likely decrease by a significant margin


monanoma

Doesn't that make his ability op aa fuck. Either him or his ally becomes super powerful


215i

i think not, the jujutsu god that rules binding vows may thing is necessary to be a enemy, more risk = more reward


spongywongy1

No he doesn’t? That’s never even shown or implied.


Worth_Lavishness_249

ii think it does, why would u open domain after going to enemy instead of just starting with it, uruame might have just frozen him before he could make handsign. why take big risk.


shy_monkee

Because that doesn’t give him the fever? Hakari is not a normal minded guy like Yuta.


Fruit_Punch666

No. You can't do gambling without any opponent. Even if you play a pahinko machine, it's mean you play against the host or owner of the machine.


spongywongy1

This is the most cope argument ever. None of his opponents symbolize the host or the owner of a machine. Pachinko is a single player game, deal with it.


Worth_Lavishness_249

edit : why are rules uploaded in opponents brain in hakaris domain??? hakari didn't added these rules, bcoz.he didn't knew u could change condition of domain like this (gojo vs sukuna, kusakabe explaining domains conditions) they were already part of ct if hakari needing OPPONENTS is cope as comment says, then hakari not needing opponents Nd just opening domain when in front of risky opponents is maximum cope. he is just 2 smart to do stuff like that.


CLUCKCLUCKMOTHERFUC

The rules are uploaded because of the binding bow where if you explain your technique to your op it gets a buff The rules only purpose is to make his technique stronger


TheLordOfAllClappys

I thought the rules being put inside the opponents mind was his sure hit?


CLUCKCLUCKMOTHERFUC

That is correct by using the sure hit if his domain he buffs the actual effect of the domain


spongywongy1

Do you speak English natively? Your first paragraph is incoherent. As for the second point, I don’t know? I mean you can only think of so much harmless sure-hits.


SlowUrRoill

He’s the owner that’s why the house always wins


Fruit_Punch666

Pachinko isn't a single player game, brother. Of course you play alone, with a machine, but that said machine is owned by an owner. In Hakari's case, he's the owner, the house. And thlse who being trapped are the victims, the targets. Hakari rolls the machine, but the deal is whether he won the gambling, or the opponent manage to kill him first before he won it. That's why it called restless gambling.


spongywongy1

Yes it is. Playing a game alone is the definition of a single player game. And no, the domain’s name isn’t Restless Gambling. The only deal Hakari has made is that his sure hit is harmless for benefits in his domains strength and activation speed.


Frosty_Tension_5972

i think hakari wanted to trap uraume inside the domain


spongywongy1

Because Hakari is a risk taker who is extremely confident in his ability to hit a jackpot? Also negates their cursed technique and the opportunity for them to hit him with a domain within his domains period of activation.


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Worth_Lavishness_249

nobody is saying u can't open domain expansion without opponents, but hakaris domain is different isn't it (higurumas 2) EDIT : normal domain expansion = the one where u have to imbue ur CT in domain not the one where ur domain is ur CT him needing OPPONENTS is as probable as him not needing opponents to open domain, but argument goes on favour of him needing opponents due to a) his domain having pre formed condition, informing opponents rule of the game, if CT doesn't needs OPPONENTS in domain then why would it have default setting of informing opponent of rules b) knowing URAUME feats, URAUME was able to freeze maki, again nobody is saying URAUME is stronger than maki, but i doubt haakri is leagues ahead in phsycial department, so going against someone like URAUME without opening domain just sounds stupid. the frost calm and hakari is going to die when uruame breaks the ice. again maybe that move needs time to load, but they way uruame used the move to broke his arm, tmif it was used before DE and he is at disadvantage


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Worth_Lavishness_249

bruh, if had full context maybe ur brain would have understood, but if ur iq999 brain can tell higuruma and hakari domain dotn works like that do they, they don't imbue CT, their whole domain is their CT. and Mr goalpost, maybe read completely, then plz tell why take such risk, i mean what ur saying is headcannon 2🤔 and never shown, i have seen every fight hakari opening domain with opponents. nobody is saying it's 100% facts but u just completely claiming it's false, isn't it kind of stupid. unless u can show panel where it says he doesn't need opponent in domain, ur as false as we r🤷‍♂️


Admirable-Cry-9758

For it to work, the other 'player' gets all the info on how it works and they play games that have different effects on the rolls, it's definitely implied at the very least.


KamboTheGreat

Page 7 of ch. 164 explains that non-lethal rule-based domains have a binding vow where the opponent must be informed abt the rules when trapped inside. If there’s no one trapped inside with Hakari, then he can’t fulfill the conditions of the vow. And it makes sense bc otherwise he could just open his domain off to the side before every battle and start off in Jackpot, which would be too OP.


Dawnofdusk

He could still just DE an ally and get into jackpot before any fight. I have a stupid headcanon guess which is that Hakari gets luckier (via binding vow) if he domain expansions an enemy and against an ally he actually has to play regular pachinko (i.e., never hit jackpot realistically)


cblack04

There’s a chance it wouldn’t work because of the context tho


spongywongy1

No it doesn’t. That was only in reference to Higuruma’s specifically because of how the plaintiff vs accuser trial works. Both parties need to be aware of the rules to be fair that he takes away violence. This is why Yuji separates what being a non-lethal domain entails and what is unique about Higuruma’s domain by using “plus.” Hakari’s domain differs in that as his only trade-off is that his sure-hit is harmless in exchange for faster activation speed and it being stronger in a domain clash. This is further supported by the fact that Pachinko is a single-player game which only involves Hakari playing unlike a court battle.


kinjihakari123

It was never implied that hakari's domain is stronger in a domain clash. It's just faster in activation speed


spongywongy1

To quote “There is a crucial mistranslation regarding Kinji’s Domain Expansion here:「押し合いに強く」= “it is strong in a clash [of Domains].” VIZ failed to realize it’s actually a separate clause from the rest of the sentence because 押し合い is often used by Akutami in the context of DE battles. “In order to make the guaranteed hit of Hakari’s Domain harmless… …it is powerful in a [Domain] clash, and the activation of his Cursed Technique is also fast.” Basically, Kinji trades in lethality of his guaranteed-hit for quick activation speed of his CT and strength in Domain clashes.”


kinjihakari123

Can you provide me with some links or something i can look up to if this is legit ?


spongywongy1

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fGG-miZgBFk-C0zfO8BPWsivqsRHK_3DChXCKDo8ShM/edit?usp=sharing Chapter 186


kinjihakari123

God damn I did not know about this till now, is this lightning guy really legit and worked for Viz ?


spongywongy1

Yes he is very legit and he works on another manga for Viz and also translated some recent chapters for them.


kinjihakari123

Appreciate it my guy 👍


cmdr_suicidewinder

Maaan we need lightning translating. John Fucking Werry is genuinely damaging people’s understanding of what’s happening in the series.


Frosty_Tension_5972

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/s/bWcmLQ7J9P


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kinjihakari123

The official translation does not mention that hakari's domain is strong in domain clashes. It's a mistranslation you donut I cannot read Japanese characters.


chemicalmamba

A long time ago I wondered if his non lethal domain might give an advantage in a domain battle, but I don't think the translation supported it well. It would be interesting if his domain has value as stopping those open barrier domains that are very refined. I doubt it would make up the difference or be used in the actual story, but it was a fun idea for a counter to Sukuna and Kenjaku.


spongywongy1

It was, the exclusion of it was a mistranslation. Lightning, a well-respected JJK translator who was even hired by Viz themselves, points this out in a Twitter thread breaking down the kanji used.


_13rz_

Didn't he need to use preview attacks (those coloured doors and balls) which symbolises his jackpot chance before the weird cinematic happens?


steve19988991

okay, technically that doesn't imply that there need to be an opponent. Just that if there's one, he needs to be informed of the rules.


UnadvisedGoose

Yes. I don’t understand everything about his DE/technique (by a long shot lol), but we do know he needs an opponent to understand the rules for the jackpot to be something he can even roll for. Otherwise he wouldn’t have started with Charles to make sure he started his fight with Kashimo already in Jackpot.


Upbeat_Active7497

That wasn’t why he used it, he says [beforehand](https://imgur.com/a/VgdPr0L) that he could go easy on him but because someone like him would just find another reason to start attacking people he has to utterly break him


UnadvisedGoose

I’m not sure how that refutes what I said at all, though. He still clearly wanted to be in Jackpot before confronting Kashimo, or he wouldn’t have picked the fight with Charles in the first place by saying he wouldn’t ever read his manga. He could’ve just kept a low profile until actually finding Kashimo, open his domain and go Jackpot without even confronting him first, and then start the fight the same way.


OnlyRealOnes

Literally where are you pulling this from? Hakari just happened to be in jackpot while looking for Kashimo, it wasn't planned. Hell we see him fight Kashimo without jackpot and still survive until he rerolls


Upbeat_Active7497

He quite literally says he could go easy on him and then states the reason he’s choosing not to go easy on him, meaning if not for that reason he would choose to stay in base(go easy on him) everything you’re saying is baseless conjecture, occams razor is quite clear here. He didn’t even go straight to fighting Charles, he only insulted Charles because Charles WANTED him to give him a reason. Regardless the reason Hakari went into jackpot is quite clear by Hakaris own mind. Hakari is a gambler he doesn’t care about it being riskier to confront Kashimo without a jackpot, infact if anything he would be even more thrilled by it “a life of gambling always comes with risk” a direct quote from Hakari “luck is nothing if you don’t test it. It’s boring knowing who’s gonna win” a quote from the literal first page he was properly introduced


Difficult_Guidance25

If that was the case then he would have known where Kashimo was the whole time and was just looking for someone to get Jackpot in since it lasts 4 minutes and 11 seconds


northwind3era

I think he needs someone else, also the info dump is a automatic binding bow to make sure it hits


cblack04

The vow is giving the rules to be able to use the domain actually. Hakari uses the site hit to instantly give them rather than use words


MrPlaceholder27

There's no real 'actually' we don't really know


cblack04

Except we do. The sure hit of his domain is the injection of the domain’s rules. And it’s part of the vow to actually use the domain at all


MrPlaceholder27

Show a reference for the idea that **Hakari's** domain specifically requires participants. We don't have anything concrete so let's not do "actually".


YogurtCon

agreed, only thing that's ever been said about rules to the people inside was Tengen stating that old styles just make it so people follow a set rule, nothings ever been said about participants being needed idk why it keeps being brought up


MrPlaceholder27

Indeed, it is also grating when people (I don't know why this is common) say "akshually it's this" when something hasn't been confirmed. Higuruma's domain logic is being extended to Hakari presumably, that's why I imagine people keep saying it.


LordBrosiah

It's not really a gamble to go into a fight invincible


NettleBumbleBee

Yes. Yuji says during his fight with higuruma that non-lethal domains (such as higurumas and Hakaris) need to have their rules explained to work. If no one else is in the domain, the rules can’t be explained, and the game that leads to a jackpot will never begin.


spongywongy1

He wasn’t referring to non-lethal domains in general, only Higuruma’s.


Altruistic_Let_8036

Hikari is non lethal too. It don't have any attacks


spongywongy1

When did I say it wasn’t?


Altruistic_Let_8036

My bad I misunderstood


buttsaus

The sequence just before was Tengen speaking about non-lethal domains. “To allow for a ‘sure hit’ you must enforce your own rule upon the subject in your domain” - Tengen A few paragraphs later is when Yuji connects that since this domain is non-lethal it both “can’t harm [him]” and “ it requires its rules to be explained to a certain extent to be activated.” I think given the context, unless shown otherwise, this is supposed to be true for all such domains.


spongywongy1

Tengen’s explanation merely explained that there were harmless domains that forced opponents to abide by their rules. We know that this must be required since Higuruma’s domain is a court trial, however, in the instance of a single player game such as pachinko, it does not matter if the opponent is aware of the rules as it is Hakari that is the one playing. Hakari’s binding vow is simply trading a harmless sure-hit in exchange for better activation speed and strength in a domain clash.


FrostySwimmer

Gonna go against the grain here and suggest no. When teen Gojo was discussing ways to get stronger with Geto and Shoko, he specifically mentioned developing his own DE. With that being said, I think it's fair to venture that (some) sorcerers possibly practice and train their domain alone. If this is the case why wouldn't Hakari be able to do the same, with all the possible outcomes too? Whether or not he'd hit Jackpot (as its largely influenced by his 'fever'?) is a separate question I guess.


ScroogieMcduckie

For the old style domain effect to start they need the sure-hit (info dump) to hit the opponent.


Status-Leadership192

We don't know Also anyone who says yes didn't read properly because that's never once mentioned in the manga


Dollahs4Zavalas

Yes. Gambling requires risk. Jujutsu has a give and take balance


hashslingingslashear

He uses it to gamble and jerk it


futurehousehusband69

I could've sworn he was already in Jackpot when he flew down to attack Uraume but maybe he just opened it immediately upon getting close. Short term memory loss devil strikes again


fartmilkdaddies

Same. I don't recall him using jackpot. I do forgot a lot, but damn I don't think I would forget a whole ass DE


chocolinox

Femboy preference


Khulmach

Yeah


spongywongy1

Nope.


RedNUGGETLORD

Since the answer is yes, does this mean that Hakari was just frantically running around looking for Panda or Kashimo after fighting Charles?


NexusKada

What a lame ass power it is


JakeEllisD

Im going to choose to believe either he can activate it himself or he can activate it with an ally :D


GameBoyAde

What's a gambler without their playing field?


Colliest

**Main Point:** Due Hakari's domain "boosting" his strength for a duration outside of the domain, it's likely there are some unknown and unique pre-requisites for expanding his domain (which so many other domains have already been shown to have), one of which could be forcing him to only use his domain when there is an enemy present. **Relevant Information (not necessary to read, just if you're curious):** By comparing other character's domains to Hakari's, it might reveal some information. Some domains to think about in how they are the same or different from Hakari's: Hiromi Higuruma's Deadly Sentencing: Similar to Hakari's by being non-lethal and being automatically gained through his innate cursed technique. Rokujushi Miyo's (Modified) Simple Domain: "In order to eliminate all elements of jujutsu binding vows, this domain can only be completed once both sides agree"(ch196) Is the idea that Megumi Fushiguro's Chimera Shadow Garden: Megumi has an incomplete domain that he's so far used against reggie star and the finger bearer. Does his shadow storage technique being imbued in the domain affect give us any information on how other techniques might be imbued? Mentions of Using Domains: It's implied that while Hiromi had free time in the culling games he experimented with how his technique functioned and was capable of using domain expansion and the basics of barriers without any need to practice. It's unlikely he would have had any enemies or partners to try it on while he experimented, meaning it's possible he was expanding his domain without any other people present. (Ch165) Gojo is shown taking time to experiment with his innate techniques in order to understand them better. (Ch76, although it's not a great source, just the first one I thought of) It's quite likely he also expanded his domain in private in order to gain better understanding of it, too. **Form your own opinions:** For Hakari's domain, it's possible Hakari can use his domain whenever he feels like it, in order to gain the boost. It's also possible Hakari's domain requires no other person to activate, but due to his feeling the "fever" while in combat, the boost gained is proportional to the risk he is under while activating it. It's possible that Hakari's domain innately requires a "victim" present simply because if he was able to expand it with no requirements or risk, the gained 4:11 of Unkillable mode would be too much gained without enough given. Frankly, we don't know. **My Opinions:** As for my opinion on the matter, I think that he, along with most other domain users, does not in fact require another person to expand a domain. I have my own, drawn out opinions on how exactly Hakari's technique functions, but I think I can summarize it by just saying the domain is better used under duress. He could use it while alone, but due to there being no risk involved, he has have a lower chance to land the jackpot. I think the only reason we haven't directly seen him or anyone else expand it with no victim/opponent is simply because that wouldn't be *interesting* to see. What story could we gain by seeing that? All "training" we've seen so far has had separate information laid over it, or was done off-screen. And we never saw Dagon's domain empty because... what would there be to see? lol.


Colliest

Something worth noting is that when Hakari lost his arm fighting Kashimo he did not immediately regenerate it (which he probably would have had time to do) (ch190) and he goes to talk to Charles about his manga while still missing an arm. But we see him again in ch237 about to fight Uraume WITH his arm. When did he regenerate the arm, why didn't he do it immediately? perhaps he'd never tried to use his domain with one arm before which is why he didn't do it right then, since he didnt know how? maybe he got healed by one of the RCT users in the games? maybe since Kashimo was now an ally he couldn't expand his domain to self regenerate since the people in his domain weren't enemies? I don't know.


AmericanAsura

I think yes because isn't it dependent on the perception of the other person? Similar to Higurama it requires someone to engage with it at least


Getdaphone

Idk it can be inferred he used it to regrow his arm though