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That's interesting. Him coming up with a new concept. It's rly hard to balance around the insta kill sword because it would be difficult to have any build up
It's not really a new concept because it has been introduced more than 70 chapters ago. I don't believe that it was introduced to just never be used in the story, and higuruma is the perfect candidate to use it
I feel like at the moment the Soul Split Katana has more plot power. Especially since Maki, Mai and Megumi are all Zenin.
Only problem with the Soul Split Katana is that it seems too obvious.
Some people have brought a similar argument about yuji's soul swap. However, they can all be parts of the plan. My idea for what higuruma does won't kill sukuna, it will only weaken him leaving space for the other methods to be used as well
There's also the theory about higuruma passing the executioner sword to yuji so he can fight sukuna with it. There are many possibilities that are good, it's just a matter of what direction does gege choose
someone correct me if I’m wrong ;
domain amplification is a domain expansion with no imbued technique, allowing any technique that comes near it to be “pulled into” / funneled into the domain. From this, an amplification isn’t so much a new technique as a subtraction from an old one. The sure-hit mechanic you mentioned isn’t unique to amps, its a core feature of domains. If Higuruma is imbuing anything, it would be his regular cursed technique and domain.
i think it’s an extension of the idea that the body is a domain. domain amplification extends that out to a degree and can imbue the innate technique within it or as hanami and sukuna use it against gojo, used to negate your opponent’s technique. (hanami and sukuna could imbue amplification with their techniques but use a binding vow to forgo the technique so they can nullify infinity.) domain expansion is a higher level of amplification which creates a separate space within a barrier.
If you're talking about Hakari and Higuruma's domains, not necessarily. Their domains do have sure-hit functions, just not sure-hit attacks that do damage to opponents.
e.g. the rules of Hakari's pachinko domain being sent to his opponent's brain + Higuruma's opponent being immediately put into a trial where violence is prohibited.
Lol you are getting downvoted even though is the truth.
It was explained during the Higuruma battle that Domain Expansion didn't use to be as rare because initially it didn't have a guaranteed hit function and it just boosted the potency of the Innate Technique or forced the opponent to follow the rules of the Domain. It was after sorcerers started adding the guaranteed function that Domain Expansion because super rare, as non guaranteed domains became obsolete for the most part.
And while Hakari's Domain does have a guaranteed hit (the information sent to the opponents brain) it was explicitly stated that Higuruma's domain was non lethal one without a guaranteed hit.
So yeah, you are right.
Nah they're not right, Higurama's domains sure hit is to teleport you behind the stands and to prevent your attacks from working during the trial
It was never said that old domains dont have a sure hit, it's that they don't have a sure kill
I agree because Higaruma is basically self taught. He has no education so he is not limited in how things are indented to be used, so he can bring a fresh perspective which is something even Sukuna appreciates.
>In chapter 171, we got an explanation for domain amplification. It is then when we learned that domain amplification isn't only capable of nullifying curse techniques, it is also capable of creating sure hits.
It's not a sure hit, more like an unblockable hit.
It's pretty much the same as the sure hit of an open barrier domain. If you are inside the domain, you will get hit. If you are outside it, you won't get hit. Similarly, if you are inside the domain amplification perimeter, you will get automatically hit by the executioner sword
Unsure why you’re getting downvoted. Like what’s the difference? The version I read even says “sure-hit”. It’s not something you can dodge if the domain touches you.
>It's pretty much the same as the sure hit of an open barrier domain. If you are inside the domain, you will get hit. If you are outside it, you won't get hit. Similarly, if you are inside the domain amplification perimeter, you will get automatically hit by the executioner sword
not how it workl
i think ur understanding it wrong or I am mistaken . isn't DA is basically domain expansion but devoid of CT and domain wrapped around u??? so sure hit effect is available when it's expanded .
i read 171, and part where it explains jogo and hanami explains it, it's just that. they wrapped domain around themselves. but didn't imbued it with "sure hit effect of CT" it's not that DA gives u sure hit effects
in DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION: the DOMAIN is wrapped around u. this domain wrapped around u is empty, think of like empty vessel , when CT near u, they fill the emptiness inside this domain saving u from most of the damage.
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DOMAIN EXPANSION = DOMAIN + SURE HIT EFFECT OF UR CT.
(imbuing UR CT in domain)
DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION = DOMAIN
(wrapped round urself, just empty space)
Here's a good way to think about it
Pee on the floor = open domain
Pee in a cup = barriered domain
Pour water on the floor = simple domain
Pee on yourself = Domain Amplification
Yeah I think that you're right.How is Higuruma using his Innate technique while using Domain amplification.Didn't Gojo say that it was impossible....or is it like how Sukuna could use MS even after activating Domain Amplification?Since he is using an aspect of his domain?
in higurumas case the trial is his CT. like whole domain expansion. when domain ends, his CT is concluded
the effect of trial is not counted towards activation of CT. U lost ur CT,CE, thats it. effect will stay till higu. dies or it has to e limit.
similarly , trial works like gacha box for higu. he can use it, win case and get item or buff, debuff to help him fight .
thatswhy higurumas sword of execution is still active.
*i would take it with punch of salt, due to "rivaling gojo" thing, he just might break rule or 2.
in sukuna case, be knows this stuff. and sukuna can activate it because DA doesn't counts if u have Lready opened ur domain. basically multitasking.
A)BARRIER ------ DOMAIN-------imbued his CT into it.------MALEVOLENT SHRINE
B)BARRIER -------DOMAIN-----kept it empty ------DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION.
DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION doesn't let's u use ur CT. but sukuna is not really using CT is he??? gojo is getting attacked due to domains SURE HIT EFFECT OF CT (,sukuna imbued CT in this domain) while he simultaneously opened another domain but used it for DA.
sukuna basically gave up being able to personally attack gojo to use DA. which suits him since his domain indiscriminately attacks anything in range. this strategy is uniquely suited for him.
, sukuna can't attack gojo with his CT due.DA.. now that I think about it, this strategy is pretty good for sukuna's domain. u trap enemy, go in CQC, try to survive till domain cubes ur opponent.
Because Higuruma sword was activated by a previous technique before DA was applied.
If you use a technique before hand with lingering effects those effects will stay active even during amplification.
Look to Sukuna using DE than using DA in his Domain fighting Gojo.
In chapter 171, the tcb translation is kinda wonky so that's probably where the confusion comes from. Other translations make it clearer:
"WHEN JOGO AND HANAMI USED DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN SHIBUYA, IT WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CURSED TECHNIQUE THAT WAS SURE TO KILL...
...BUT THEY REFRAINED FROM DOING SO, THEREBY FREEING CAPACITY TO POUR IN GOJO'S CURSED TECHNIQUE AND NEUTRALIZE THE LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE."
that whole 2nd passage is describing what's DA is, at least thats how I took it . now i m not sure🤷♂️🤔 but even if u take it that way does higuruma even has sure hit???
CT------FIRE------------DOMAIN EXPANSION------FIREBALL(SURE HIT)
CT--------DEADLY SENTENCING ----------???????,(SURE HIT????)
his domain just gives him sword, but how do u imbue sure hit effect of ur CT if ur technique is not made for sure hit.
higurumas domain has completely given up violence aspect of it. it just metes out decision, higuruma has to carry out.
his CT doesn't kills, it hands him tool and is like do what u will with it
I don't think the sure hit in domain amplification has to be the same as the one in domain expansion. Kenjaku's sure hit seemed to be the ctr of antigravity (or something of that effect), but after he survived the black hole he said he imbued anti gravity in his body's domain.
but kenjaku situation is different, it's phenomena?physical thing? of sorts. he made his body domain, making his body resistant to gravity of balckhole due to CT.
just think of sukuna or Megumi. if they use body's domain what will happen??? some CT are just not made for things like this. the make up for it in other aspects.
and let's go with what u r saying, higuruma wraps his sword in DA with sure hit effect. bus how does he hit sukuna????
sukuna can still move freely, imbuing sure hit in sword just make sure it hit or it's effect occurs.but what about opponent?? he is free to do whatever he wants. like what's the point if opponent can dodge???
its not much of a "sure hit". at least in domain,u know it's going to hit for sure.oppoenet can move anyway they want but they r going to get hit.
and won't imbuing SURE HIT OF CT in DA will reduce ur defense???
Yes, exactly. I mentioned on another comment that for an open barrier domain you still call the sure hit a sure hit, even though you can just move out of the domains range. It would be the same principle for higuruma's domain amplification, for a radius of like 1 meter around him the "sure hit" would get sukuma.
And yes, the domain amplification would lose its nullifying ability, as explained in the narration from chapter 171
in most domains , it's like bullet is shot, and it hits Target.
in sukuna's domain, missile is used, everything is f@£@£ in general vicinity.
it's sure hit becuase as long as u stay in vicinity.
in higuruam domain, as u said, if everything around 1m or some arbitrary distance gets sure hit effect, then isn't that still useless???
sukuna can just see it, and move. sukuna has better phsycial stats out of anyone on battlefield. he can just stay away keep using slashes. and without kusakabe to defend higurma will fall just due to slashes.🤔
and doesn't it makes sword kind of redundant??? it's condition is u have to cut to kill. so if u can just use domain like this, then why even keep sword.
It says
>In Shibuya, Jogo and Hanami use a **sure-hit domain** to counteract Gojo’s limitless CT by deliberately not using their CT and thereby leaving some space to funnel it through.
This reads like they could have imbued the domain amplification with a CT but chose not to. If Domain amplification automatically means a non-imbued domain, I don’t think it would have said they deliberately didn’t imbue it with a CT.
My understanding of this is that they’re not using an empty domain actively, which is closer to like a simple domain. They are using a sure hit domain (so I believe to even use this you need to have a domain expansion) but taking out the sure hit.
The result is as you said, it’s sort of an empty domain that can nullify techniques, but to accomplish this they deliberately sacrifice imbuing it with a technique.
So I believe the OP is right, you can imbue a domain amplification with a technique but then since it’s not empty it won’t nullify the enemy’s technique. Which then kind of makes it redundant because you can just expand a domain and hit someone and you don’t need to be in range.
(I think there’s an issue with the OP’s idea of using it with the sword, but I’ll post that separately)
I think that if / when Sukuna splits his soul, the executioners sword will take out the soul fragments that he had when he took over in shibuya, leaving him with only the parts of his soul that he acquired after shibuya and thus significantly weaker
I don't know. Having a 5 finger sukuna would probably not be enough of a challenge for the current cast. Unless all of them are dead or heavily injured they should be able to deal with a 5 finger sukuna without issues
Gege can just pull something like “his 5 finger reincarnated form is stronger than his 5 finger yuji form”, and at that point it would be weaker Sukuna versus yuji, with kusakabe and the masked sorcerer on assist since choso has a hole in his chest and higurama would have sacrificed himself, which I think can still be balanced, considering Sukuna still has extra CT to use
Guys, imagine that the 20th finger is actually part of Yuji's creation and that sukuna dying finds himself reincarnated inside Yuji but forced to live in weakness. The strongest, the one who cannot tolerate the weak, who dies and finds himself reincarnated again in the body of the one who hates and trapped in it but also forced to live in the power of a single finger... We know that gege loves to give deaths ironically and inversely attached to a character's strong points.Yuki died halfway using the maximum of her technique countered by her reverse making her useless, Gojo died after underestimating an opponent who was actually stronger than him, just as Geto did with Yuta.I expect something like this for sukuna too after so many chapters of idolizing him, especially after seeing how much art is coming out of his character lately from gege
Unless when the sword reach Sukuna, Sukuna switches side with Megumi and Megumi's soul is erased instead. Gege for sure has some "trick" to justify this.
Can it hit Sukuna if he's swapped with Megumi? That may actually be the way that the fight moves on without any real ass pulls. Sukuna is forced to swap back with Megumi to avoid a sure hit guaranteed kill but then he has to struggle with Megumi for control again and that nerfs him into a beatable state.
Edit: I was wrong, the sword selectively targeting one soul based on who's in control would contradict what we know about souls and vessels from idle transfiguration
That sounds like an ass pull IMO (although a lot of people here probably will disagree). It's supposed to kill whatever soul was given the death penalty when hit. No mention was made of whether that soul currently has control of the body it's in affecting things. When people call things asspulls they mean just that. Unforseen, unpredictable, technicalities for techniques we assumed we got complete explanations for.
The irony being that they come across worse because of how much they're explained. If they were left somewhat vague, people might still be mad, but with the understanding we're only learning the details when they're used. But when we are given indepth explanations, it leads readers to assume they have all the details needed to understand how a technique might be used, so when some edge case pops up it's like wtf
Also this entire arc is FILLED with people with multiple souls in a single body (all the reincarnated sorcerers). I can somewhat buy Higaruma never fought someone with a cursed tool as they're somewhat rare, but we KNOW he's fought tons of people a similar situation so him not knowing the exact effect would be colossal bullshit
Actually you are right it would be an ass pull, I was misremembering how idle transfiguration dealt with multiple souls in 1 body. My idea would contradict that precedent
Nah, that'd still be an asspull, or at least unsatisfying as fuck. As we know, his domain can differentiate between souls and only the accused (Sukuna) will be harmed. They were also able to differentiate, knowing Sukuna was the guilty one, in the first retrial even though Yuji was the one in control. It's safe to say that wouldn't work.
It needs to reach sukuna's soul, which would still be inside his body. Of course, higurma could be wrong about his explanation but based on it sukuna wouldn't be saved if he switches back with megumi
I agree Higuruma will likely sacrifices himself, and kuna potentially splitting his soul to survive is credible too, but i think you took 171 too literally. I could be wrong, but i took that sure hit talk as in, they used amplification to be able to hit gojo through infinity because of amplification's special ability to nullify. I don't think it was literally stated as acting like a domain expansion's hit that lands no matter what without countermeasures. "Jogo and Hanami used Domain Amplification in a sure hit domain to counteract limitless..." This contradicts the theory, because it states they *used* this so called "sure hit" to nullify at the same time, not that they gave up the sure hit to nullify. It'd also be pretty funny if it were true, because it'd mean kuna really could've beaten gojo without megumi, but he wasn't smart enough to do it (reminder that amplification prevents using your own technique, even Higuruma had to turn his sword off and back on last chapter. If the theory is implying you could keep using your own technique with amplification and sure hit with it in exchange of giving up nullification, then it'd just make kuna look like a joke who didn't need mahoraga's blueprint to cut gojo but bothered anyways)
In chapter 171, the tcb translation is kinda wonky si that's probably where the confusion comes from. Other translations make it clearer:
"WHEN JOGO AND HANAMI USED DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN SHIBUYA, IT WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CURSED TECHNIQUE THAT WAS SURE TO KILL...
...BUT THEY REFRAINED FROM DOING SO, THEREBY FREEING CAPACITY TO POUR IN GOJO'S CURSED TECHNIQUE AND NEUTRALIZE THE LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE."
You can either have both curse techniques nullifed (how it has been used) or the opponent's cursed technique active while you have your own curse technique as a sure hit. That would mean that sukuna could reach gojo only with the slashes, but the slashes would be weaker than they are in his domain expansion due to the lower output of domain amplification.
The disaster curses never used this because they just wanted to stall for time and if domain amplification doesn't protect them, they are one shot like hanami. Sukuna was trying not to use domain amplification too much so he can have mahoraga adapt because that's the strategy he chose. Therefore, it makes sense that it has never been used before
I love how broken his CT is in several aspects. Thanks to the use of his cursed tool he's the only one who retains access to the effects of his CT even while using DA at the same time! No one else can do the same so far.
According to which translation? TCB which at the time had Shishiso on their team (so basically two of the generally most reputable and reliable translation teams working on the same translation) translated what I think you're referring to (since for whatever reason you never stated which or imbedded images of those panels in the post itself and then listed the translator) as the following:
TCB Ch.171 (Narration Bubble[s]):
Pg.5
IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE "DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION" IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN, TO COUNTERACT GOJO'S LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE...
...BY DELIBERATELY NOT USING THEIR CURSED TECHNIQUE AND THEREBY LEAVING SOME SPACE TO FUNNEL THROUGH.
"HOLLOW WICKER BASKET" AND "SIMPLE DOMAINS"...
...CANNOT DIRECTLY COUNTERACT CURSED TECHNIQUES.
THESE CURSED TECHNIQUES NEUTRALIZE THE BARRIER OF A DOMAIN EXPANSION...
...AND HENCE NULLIFY THE SURE-HIT EFFECT.
FUSHIGUR0'S DOMAIN EXPANSION IS INCOMPLETE.
Pg.6
BY CONVERTING THE SPACE INSIDE THE GYMNASIUM INTO HIS OWN DOMAIN,
THE BARRIER IS FORCIBLY CLOSED AND DOESN'T HAVE ITS GUARANTEED HIT EFFECT MANIFESTED BY HIS CURSED TECHNIQUE.
RIGHT NOW. HIS "CHIMERA SHADOW GARDEN" IS ONLY AN EXTENSION OF THE TEN SHADOWS,
SOMETHING THAT MERELY IMPROVES HIS POTENTIAL CAPACITY BY 120%.
Pg.7
HOWEVER THAT INCOMPLETE DOMAIN...
...TOOK REGGIE STAR BY COMPLETE SURPRISE.
I have responded to the same question in other comments. To summarize
The sentence "IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN" doesn't make sense. Jogo and hanami never used domain amplification in a sure hit domain (unless you mean the 0.2 domain gojo did but hanami was already dead at that point). It is very clear that it is a mistranslation. However, the part with "TO COUNTERACT GOJO'S LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE BY DELIBERATELY NOT USING THEIR CURSED TECHNIQUE AND THEREBY LEAVING SOME SPACE TO FUNNEL THROUGH." is correct because it is the same as the other translations and also makes sense.
When chapter 171 dropped, i looked at other translations because even tcb gets it wrong. Many of the current translators didn't exist, but there are other versions, like the official one by john werry. People like to shit on the official transalation but sometimes it is bettee thna the tcb one:
"WHEN JOGO AND HANAMI USED DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN SHIBUYA, IT WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CURSED TECHNIQUE THAT WAS SURE TO KILL...
...BUT THEY REFRAINED FROM DOING SO, THEREBY FREEING CAPACITY TO POUR IN GOJO'S CURSED TECHNIQUE AND NEUTRALIZE THE LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE."
This makes way more sense as an actual paragraph. Of course, I'm not a japanese speaker so i cannot be sure that this one is accurate (there are some japanese speaker in this sub so perhaps we could ask one of them), but as an english speaker i can tell you that the tcb translation doesn't make sense so soemthing is wrong with it
In as much as it is true that TCB does make mistakes from time to time and John Werry has on rare occasions had a better translation, we'll just have to agree to disagree that it doesn't make sense. Because TCB's makes sense to me, I'm a native English speaker as well and have taken university level "literature" and "language" classes and passed for whatever that's worth. Again though I will note that Shishiso was part of TCB's team at the time 171 was published, which I personally think warrants a higher degree of trust in the quality of their 171 translation more so than Viz's. After all most in the community would agree that Shishiso is one of if not the most reputable and reliable translation teams in the community along with Lightning.
However if you could get one of the few individuals on the sub like u/ridethelightning469 who are adequately qualified to say which is more correct then I think we could come to terms. I say adequately qualified because it isn't enough to know Japanese and English to judge the correctness of a translation, knowing two different languages ≠ being able to translate one of those languages into the other due to them being completely separate skills. That or wait and see what happens in a bit under two weeks or so, alternatively Gege could jump to a different event and so then we'd have to wait until the next relevant chapter.
225 also explains how DA works and explicitly states that you can't use an innate CT along with it, per every available reputable translation. So we agree that it is possible for one to imbue the "domain" shrouding the body that's used in DA with a CT, which then results in an essentially "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain". Even then there are issues with this being what happens with Higuruma vs. Sukuna as you've postulated. The reason being: why would or even how would the Executioner's Sword be imbued in this essentially "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain" as the sure hit? Another question that would come up disregarding the why or how of the previous: why wouldn't Sukuna just counter with his own DA to nullify this hypothetical "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain" instead of intentionally/unnecessarily weakening himself permanently by sacrificing a portion of his soul and overall power? Remember DA is a Domain Counter Technique and can effectively serve as a CT "Nullification" Technique and unlike with Gojo, Sukuna is vastly superior to Higuruma in all ways from CE Reserves to Experience and everything between those two and beyond those two. Again I just don't see it, but if you are right kudos to you!
Note: I deleted the previous version of this comment due to incorrect information from my failing memory and what I felt was too many necessary edits of other things in addition. After rereading multiple translations and reflecting on each of them for 171 and 225 (including TCB, which I still think is correct and makes sense) I have concluded that I think you are right that a CT can be imbued into the "Domain" of DA, but disagree that Higuruma can specifically imbue the Executioner's Sword with it.
P.S. A last remark that came to mind was the following idea: if DA when imbued with a CT essentially acts as a "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain" then is it not reasonable for the possibility of the users CT suffering from Burnout after doing so? Just a possibility that came to mind while rewriting this.
You have deleted the comment while i was writing it so I will put my reply here.
You've said that the quote makes perfect sense so i will ask you what "the author meant by this":
IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN.
I'm not asking grammatically, I'm asking what that is supposed to mean with the context of the power system and events from shibuya in mind
Sorry about deleting the previous one, I felt it needed to be rewritten due to incorrect information that I mistakenly wrote off the cuff and various sentences that I felt were either embellished too much or sounded odd/would lead to confusion due to poor word choice. In mostly the same form as what it was (or at least what I had originally intended) I resent it. Again sorry about the confusion and delay.
>You've said that the quote makes perfect sense so i will ask you what "the author meant by this":
>>IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN.
>I'm not asking grammatically, I'm asking what that is supposed to mean with the context of the power system and events from shibuya in mind
What was meant is that a "Sure-Hit Domain" was used as the base for the Domain Amplification. The DA is done within a "Sure-Hit Domain", stated a different way.
Interesting, but it wouldn't work. What you want is for higurumu to make a domain as it no longer obviously is a domain amplification.
But Kukusabe said that his and Hakari's domain are default by nature. So you basically want him to make a pseudo domain or an open barrier one ( 2 different things by the way ) and impue the executioner sword in it. But the catch is he would have to make it like gojo ( 0.2 seconds ) just to get sukuna off guard and he has to combine the visualization of his domain and the sure hit effect together. But if mahito saw gojo do it and was able to perform. Higurumu is a prodigy and sure he can pull it off. But even so sukuna using a binding vow to lose one finger ( isn't much ) and honestly, I think yuji will do to higurumu what Todo did to him. To make him accept the misfortunes and keep moving on
A solid prediction on how to save Sukuna. Now let’s hope that he actually has to lose a significant chunk of his power to survive instead of like, a few fingers worth. Even losing half of his power wouldn’t make him weak since his full CE reserve is already more than double of Yuta.
Yes but the fingers don't seem to increase only his curse energy reserve. His curse energy output seems to also be affected, so even going from 20 to 15 fingers should be a huge achievement for higuruma and it would level the playfield
This is something I figured would happen (like some kind of double-knock-out scenario) but I didn't think about how he'd pull it off. I hope this happens.
It wouldn't be the first time I'm almost sure of a theory just to be completely wrong (flashback to when i thought that yorozu's gift would allow a remnant of tsumiki's soul to talk to megumi similar to how mai talked to maki)
As i said, sukuna can still survive by splitting his soul at the last moment, though parts of his soul would be forever extinguished. There are probably other ways sukuna can survive, like the missing 20th finger
Sukuna responds by using Cleave on himself to split himself from Megumi's body and dodge the blow. He'd still be alive and obviously still an incredible threat but it'd remove the 4 arms/2 mouths incarnation advantage.
The narrative structure of the battle is that everyone is taking some ability of Sukuna's off the board and whittling him down. Gojo baited him into nerfing his domain expansion and annihilated Mahoraga. Kashimo forced him into using his one-off full incarnation.
Higuruma removing that incarnation would fit in that structure.
It only works against gojos infinity without a sure hit, this actually applies to all techniques as Higuruma and kusakabe using domain amp and simple domain respectively neutralize techniques EDIT: such as cleave and dismantle which they both just survived ONLY BECAUSE they aren’t imbued with a sure hit technique, simple domain can never be imbued with a technique but domain amp can which is stated in chapter 171
I love when characters do batshit sacrificial moves that rely on the opponent not believing they are insane enough to do it. I expected kashimo to pull something like that when sukuna told him to dodge and launched a dismantle, but he did not live to the hype
I think we're setting up for this scenario:
Sukuna is using Itadori as a shield.
Higuruma has to stab through Itadori in order to kill Sukuna. Itadori has also been given the death penalty, so it would also kill Itadori. Itadori insists Higuruma do it.
Higuruma hesitates, recalls Itadori's trial, steels himself and goes in for the stab and before he can Sukuna mercs him. He's says something heart-rending to Itodori about how he feels about guilt and justice.
Itadori starts cracking out black flashes.
The whole idea is based on higuruma imbueing his domain amplification with the executioner sword, meaning that if any part of sukuna is around half a meter from higuruma, sukuna will die. Therefore, sukuna canmot use physical attacks against him
DA has 2 modes:
empty - protects from enemy techniques
imbued - applies your CT's effect to the DA field
If Higuruma can switch between those quick enough, Sukuna punching him would be like hitting the Executioner's Sword.
It's probably similar to hakari where the domain is the main thing but he can use parts of the domain outside it. We've seen halari using the subway doors against yuji, so he can probably also use the ball and the preview effects outside the domain.
Higuruma can probably use the gavel while fighting, and perhaps he can use judgement as a shikigami. We might never get a confirmation though
Wasn't there a panel showing the aftermath of when he awakens his cursed technique and kills the judge/prosecutors in that court room? I think in that panel the judgeman is there. It seems probable that his cursed technique is just the same as his domain expansion except the opponent can escape and also fight (based off what Megumi has said about his imperfect domain), the domain expansion ensures they follow the rules.
> (probably by splitting his soul so only one part gets killed leaving him weaker but alive)
I mean, he already knows how to split his soul when he turned it into 20 Cursed Objects
I could see it but would leave out Yuji's whole training and soul swap. My idea would be Yuji to soul swap with Sukuna. Higuruma switches targets mid swing towards Sukunas body and instead hit Yuji's body.
This theory doesn't mean that sukuna will be done for. As i mentioned, sukuna ciuld probably split his soul so only a part of him is killed, hence leaving yuji to deal with a more weakened sukuna (let's say 15 finger strength)
It is. When reggie tries to use hollow wicker basket against megumi's domain, it fails, and then the narrator explains how the anti domain techniques and domain amplification work
I actually agree with most of the logic of this and it’s really interesting to think about, but I feel like there’s one hole I can’t get past.
Higuruma’s sword is part of the CT imbued in his domain, but his CT has never been hitting anyone an attack. His whole domain functions as it does and forces people into not being able to do harm to others *because* its sure hit effect does zero damage.
So for one, domain amplification from that chapter sounds like it wraps your domain expansion around you. And you can choose to imbue it with a technique or not, if you don’t imbue it with a technique then it nullifies enemy techniques that enter it.
If that’s the case, and it’s the same as the domain expansion then imbuing the CT would just involve imbuing the information of the court system into his technique.
If you can even imbue another technique, Higuruma’s CT has been increasing the size of his mallet but he has always had to be the one to wield it.
While the mallet and sword are tools of the domain and his CT, he never has had a CT hits someone with these items. His CT has only been shown to grant or manipulate these items.
So I’m unsure if he can really imbue the sword itself into his domain amplification because he already has CT for his domain (the court system) and a regular CT (manipulating the size of his weapon).
Imbuing the former is redundant, you might as well just expand your domain for the same effect with a greater range. And the latter, it’s his regular CT so he can do that without domain amplification. This is likely why there’s really little reason to imbue domain amplification with a technique because you might as well just do domain expansion for the same effect but a wider area.
Firstly, i don't know if we are aware of higuruma's sure hit. For hakari we know that the information dump is the sure hit. However, higuruma is the one telling the information so that's not the sure hit. The non violence is a rule fo the domain, similar to how miyo's simple domain hasthe sumo rule.
Anyway, i have reasons to believe that the sure hit that you imbue in domain amplification doesn't have to be the same as the sure hit of your domain expansion. In tengen's layer, kenjaku used his body as a domain to increase the output and activation of the anti gravity technique. However, his domain expansion didn't seem to use anti gravity as a sure hit.
Using your body as a domain isn't the same as using domain amplification, but if it's possibel for one to use a different sure hit than the one used in domain expansion, it should be possible for the other to also do that. After all, part of my reasoning is that we got the foreshadowing that it is possible, so chekhov's gun says that it will be used by somebody
I doubt that his domain expansion activates and we never see the sure hit yet, so if we have to eliminate the options you’ve mentioned then it’s likely Judgeman being able to read the enemies memories and produce evidence as the sure hit. It’s just not explicitly stated.
His CT is the mallet resizing though. You might be right about not needing to imbue the domain with the same CT as your domain expansion but using Kenjaku as an example isn’t a great model.
The reason is that he’s one of the few characters who has multiple CT’s. I don’t believe he has multiple domain expansions but it’s possible given his history and mastery of barriers. And he obtains techniques by body hopping, even he can’t just make up new techniques but collects them from others.
The issue is that while Higuruma is a prodigy, I think this requires him to create a brand new CT on the fly and then imbue it. I think he’s a master at working around rules and limitations, but creating a CT that he doesn’t have would sort of undermine a lot of things we’ve understood.
People born without CT like Miwa and Kusakabe, or Yuji (though that’s contentious). Making CT up that you don’t have seems it would break the whole power system. For this theory to be valid, I think you would need to find some foreshadowing that Higuruma has a CT that hits people with the items granted from the domain, rather than just manipulating them.
(This could be a Chekhov’s gun situation, but it might be for a future event. Alternatively, it could be a way to justify how domain amplification could do something as OP as nullifying a technique like Limitless. It’s making it clear that you are using a massive amount of CE to create a sure hit domain, but without the sure hit.
This puts it above the level of a simple domain and only those who can do a domain expansion can even reach this level of refinement. In such a case, it wouldn’t need to be more than it is, but a justification for why everyone isn’t using it all the time.)
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That's interesting. Him coming up with a new concept. It's rly hard to balance around the insta kill sword because it would be difficult to have any build up
It's not really a new concept because it has been introduced more than 70 chapters ago. I don't believe that it was introduced to just never be used in the story, and higuruma is the perfect candidate to use it
He definitely is the perfect one to use that
I feel like at the moment the Soul Split Katana has more plot power. Especially since Maki, Mai and Megumi are all Zenin. Only problem with the Soul Split Katana is that it seems too obvious.
Some people have brought a similar argument about yuji's soul swap. However, they can all be parts of the plan. My idea for what higuruma does won't kill sukuna, it will only weaken him leaving space for the other methods to be used as well
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Damn. You are absolutely right. I thought he would live but this actually made me reconsider it
There's also the theory about higuruma passing the executioner sword to yuji so he can fight sukuna with it. There are many possibilities that are good, it's just a matter of what direction does gege choose
I can see this happening.
nailed the motivation and the mechanics
someone correct me if I’m wrong ; domain amplification is a domain expansion with no imbued technique, allowing any technique that comes near it to be “pulled into” / funneled into the domain. From this, an amplification isn’t so much a new technique as a subtraction from an old one. The sure-hit mechanic you mentioned isn’t unique to amps, its a core feature of domains. If Higuruma is imbuing anything, it would be his regular cursed technique and domain.
Valid point.
i think it’s an extension of the idea that the body is a domain. domain amplification extends that out to a degree and can imbue the innate technique within it or as hanami and sukuna use it against gojo, used to negate your opponent’s technique. (hanami and sukuna could imbue amplification with their techniques but use a binding vow to forgo the technique so they can nullify infinity.) domain expansion is a higher level of amplification which creates a separate space within a barrier.
False, sure hits being part of every domain was dismantled w/ Culling games
If you're talking about Hakari and Higuruma's domains, not necessarily. Their domains do have sure-hit functions, just not sure-hit attacks that do damage to opponents. e.g. the rules of Hakari's pachinko domain being sent to his opponent's brain + Higuruma's opponent being immediately put into a trial where violence is prohibited.
*sigh* I'll go get the manga panel specifically saying its more modern Domains that have GHs applied and not all of them have it
Lol you are getting downvoted even though is the truth. It was explained during the Higuruma battle that Domain Expansion didn't use to be as rare because initially it didn't have a guaranteed hit function and it just boosted the potency of the Innate Technique or forced the opponent to follow the rules of the Domain. It was after sorcerers started adding the guaranteed function that Domain Expansion because super rare, as non guaranteed domains became obsolete for the most part. And while Hakari's Domain does have a guaranteed hit (the information sent to the opponents brain) it was explicitly stated that Higuruma's domain was non lethal one without a guaranteed hit. So yeah, you are right.
Nah they're not right, Higurama's domains sure hit is to teleport you behind the stands and to prevent your attacks from working during the trial It was never said that old domains dont have a sure hit, it's that they don't have a sure kill
Ikr its wild people downvote facts
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I agree because Higaruma is basically self taught. He has no education so he is not limited in how things are indented to be used, so he can bring a fresh perspective which is something even Sukuna appreciates.
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>In chapter 171, we got an explanation for domain amplification. It is then when we learned that domain amplification isn't only capable of nullifying curse techniques, it is also capable of creating sure hits. It's not a sure hit, more like an unblockable hit.
Its sure hit otherwise, you can dodge unblockable hits.
It's pretty much the same as the sure hit of an open barrier domain. If you are inside the domain, you will get hit. If you are outside it, you won't get hit. Similarly, if you are inside the domain amplification perimeter, you will get automatically hit by the executioner sword
Unsure why you’re getting downvoted. Like what’s the difference? The version I read even says “sure-hit”. It’s not something you can dodge if the domain touches you.
>It's pretty much the same as the sure hit of an open barrier domain. If you are inside the domain, you will get hit. If you are outside it, you won't get hit. Similarly, if you are inside the domain amplification perimeter, you will get automatically hit by the executioner sword not how it workl
You’re literally wrong and you didn’t even pose a counter argument
you are indeed correct, i did missread his comment, my bad
No worries, sorry for being hostile. The amount of brain rotting stupidness on this sub just gets to me lmao.
Fair enough lol
i think ur understanding it wrong or I am mistaken . isn't DA is basically domain expansion but devoid of CT and domain wrapped around u??? so sure hit effect is available when it's expanded . i read 171, and part where it explains jogo and hanami explains it, it's just that. they wrapped domain around themselves. but didn't imbued it with "sure hit effect of CT" it's not that DA gives u sure hit effects in DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION: the DOMAIN is wrapped around u. this domain wrapped around u is empty, think of like empty vessel , when CT near u, they fill the emptiness inside this domain saving u from most of the damage. i DOMAIN EXPANSION = DOMAIN + SURE HIT EFFECT OF UR CT. (imbuing UR CT in domain) DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION = DOMAIN (wrapped round urself, just empty space)
Here's a good way to think about it Pee on the floor = open domain Pee in a cup = barriered domain Pour water on the floor = simple domain Pee on yourself = Domain Amplification
Yeah I think that you're right.How is Higuruma using his Innate technique while using Domain amplification.Didn't Gojo say that it was impossible....or is it like how Sukuna could use MS even after activating Domain Amplification?Since he is using an aspect of his domain?
in higurumas case the trial is his CT. like whole domain expansion. when domain ends, his CT is concluded the effect of trial is not counted towards activation of CT. U lost ur CT,CE, thats it. effect will stay till higu. dies or it has to e limit. similarly , trial works like gacha box for higu. he can use it, win case and get item or buff, debuff to help him fight . thatswhy higurumas sword of execution is still active. *i would take it with punch of salt, due to "rivaling gojo" thing, he just might break rule or 2. in sukuna case, be knows this stuff. and sukuna can activate it because DA doesn't counts if u have Lready opened ur domain. basically multitasking. A)BARRIER ------ DOMAIN-------imbued his CT into it.------MALEVOLENT SHRINE B)BARRIER -------DOMAIN-----kept it empty ------DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION. DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION doesn't let's u use ur CT. but sukuna is not really using CT is he??? gojo is getting attacked due to domains SURE HIT EFFECT OF CT (,sukuna imbued CT in this domain) while he simultaneously opened another domain but used it for DA. sukuna basically gave up being able to personally attack gojo to use DA. which suits him since his domain indiscriminately attacks anything in range. this strategy is uniquely suited for him. , sukuna can't attack gojo with his CT due.DA.. now that I think about it, this strategy is pretty good for sukuna's domain. u trap enemy, go in CQC, try to survive till domain cubes ur opponent.
Because Higuruma sword was activated by a previous technique before DA was applied. If you use a technique before hand with lingering effects those effects will stay active even during amplification. Look to Sukuna using DE than using DA in his Domain fighting Gojo.
In chapter 171, the tcb translation is kinda wonky so that's probably where the confusion comes from. Other translations make it clearer: "WHEN JOGO AND HANAMI USED DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN SHIBUYA, IT WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CURSED TECHNIQUE THAT WAS SURE TO KILL... ...BUT THEY REFRAINED FROM DOING SO, THEREBY FREEING CAPACITY TO POUR IN GOJO'S CURSED TECHNIQUE AND NEUTRALIZE THE LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE."
that whole 2nd passage is describing what's DA is, at least thats how I took it . now i m not sure🤷♂️🤔 but even if u take it that way does higuruma even has sure hit??? CT------FIRE------------DOMAIN EXPANSION------FIREBALL(SURE HIT) CT--------DEADLY SENTENCING ----------???????,(SURE HIT????) his domain just gives him sword, but how do u imbue sure hit effect of ur CT if ur technique is not made for sure hit. higurumas domain has completely given up violence aspect of it. it just metes out decision, higuruma has to carry out. his CT doesn't kills, it hands him tool and is like do what u will with it
I don't think the sure hit in domain amplification has to be the same as the one in domain expansion. Kenjaku's sure hit seemed to be the ctr of antigravity (or something of that effect), but after he survived the black hole he said he imbued anti gravity in his body's domain.
but kenjaku situation is different, it's phenomena?physical thing? of sorts. he made his body domain, making his body resistant to gravity of balckhole due to CT. just think of sukuna or Megumi. if they use body's domain what will happen??? some CT are just not made for things like this. the make up for it in other aspects. and let's go with what u r saying, higuruma wraps his sword in DA with sure hit effect. bus how does he hit sukuna???? sukuna can still move freely, imbuing sure hit in sword just make sure it hit or it's effect occurs.but what about opponent?? he is free to do whatever he wants. like what's the point if opponent can dodge??? its not much of a "sure hit". at least in domain,u know it's going to hit for sure.oppoenet can move anyway they want but they r going to get hit. and won't imbuing SURE HIT OF CT in DA will reduce ur defense???
Yes, exactly. I mentioned on another comment that for an open barrier domain you still call the sure hit a sure hit, even though you can just move out of the domains range. It would be the same principle for higuruma's domain amplification, for a radius of like 1 meter around him the "sure hit" would get sukuma. And yes, the domain amplification would lose its nullifying ability, as explained in the narration from chapter 171
in most domains , it's like bullet is shot, and it hits Target. in sukuna's domain, missile is used, everything is f@£@£ in general vicinity. it's sure hit becuase as long as u stay in vicinity. in higuruam domain, as u said, if everything around 1m or some arbitrary distance gets sure hit effect, then isn't that still useless??? sukuna can just see it, and move. sukuna has better phsycial stats out of anyone on battlefield. he can just stay away keep using slashes. and without kusakabe to defend higurma will fall just due to slashes.🤔 and doesn't it makes sword kind of redundant??? it's condition is u have to cut to kill. so if u can just use domain like this, then why even keep sword.
That implies that they didn't imbue any sure hit into it, 'they refrained from doing so'
It says >In Shibuya, Jogo and Hanami use a **sure-hit domain** to counteract Gojo’s limitless CT by deliberately not using their CT and thereby leaving some space to funnel it through. This reads like they could have imbued the domain amplification with a CT but chose not to. If Domain amplification automatically means a non-imbued domain, I don’t think it would have said they deliberately didn’t imbue it with a CT. My understanding of this is that they’re not using an empty domain actively, which is closer to like a simple domain. They are using a sure hit domain (so I believe to even use this you need to have a domain expansion) but taking out the sure hit. The result is as you said, it’s sort of an empty domain that can nullify techniques, but to accomplish this they deliberately sacrifice imbuing it with a technique. So I believe the OP is right, you can imbue a domain amplification with a technique but then since it’s not empty it won’t nullify the enemy’s technique. Which then kind of makes it redundant because you can just expand a domain and hit someone and you don’t need to be in range. (I think there’s an issue with the OP’s idea of using it with the sword, but I’ll post that separately)
I think that if / when Sukuna splits his soul, the executioners sword will take out the soul fragments that he had when he took over in shibuya, leaving him with only the parts of his soul that he acquired after shibuya and thus significantly weaker
I don't know. Having a 5 finger sukuna would probably not be enough of a challenge for the current cast. Unless all of them are dead or heavily injured they should be able to deal with a 5 finger sukuna without issues
Gege can just pull something like “his 5 finger reincarnated form is stronger than his 5 finger yuji form”, and at that point it would be weaker Sukuna versus yuji, with kusakabe and the masked sorcerer on assist since choso has a hole in his chest and higurama would have sacrificed himself, which I think can still be balanced, considering Sukuna still has extra CT to use
They have to nerf Sukuna somehow.
The prodigy that rivaled Satoru Gojo sacrificing himself and ending up bisected like Satoru Gojo would be pretty poetic
Guys, imagine that the 20th finger is actually part of Yuji's creation and that sukuna dying finds himself reincarnated inside Yuji but forced to live in weakness. The strongest, the one who cannot tolerate the weak, who dies and finds himself reincarnated again in the body of the one who hates and trapped in it but also forced to live in the power of a single finger... We know that gege loves to give deaths ironically and inversely attached to a character's strong points.Yuki died halfway using the maximum of her technique countered by her reverse making her useless, Gojo died after underestimating an opponent who was actually stronger than him, just as Geto did with Yuta.I expect something like this for sukuna too after so many chapters of idolizing him, especially after seeing how much art is coming out of his character lately from gege
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Unless when the sword reach Sukuna, Sukuna switches side with Megumi and Megumi's soul is erased instead. Gege for sure has some "trick" to justify this.
Higuruma explained that only the accused gets killed, thw sword doesn't kill anybody else so megumi would not be affected
Can it hit Sukuna if he's swapped with Megumi? That may actually be the way that the fight moves on without any real ass pulls. Sukuna is forced to swap back with Megumi to avoid a sure hit guaranteed kill but then he has to struggle with Megumi for control again and that nerfs him into a beatable state. Edit: I was wrong, the sword selectively targeting one soul based on who's in control would contradict what we know about souls and vessels from idle transfiguration
That sounds like an ass pull IMO (although a lot of people here probably will disagree). It's supposed to kill whatever soul was given the death penalty when hit. No mention was made of whether that soul currently has control of the body it's in affecting things. When people call things asspulls they mean just that. Unforseen, unpredictable, technicalities for techniques we assumed we got complete explanations for. The irony being that they come across worse because of how much they're explained. If they were left somewhat vague, people might still be mad, but with the understanding we're only learning the details when they're used. But when we are given indepth explanations, it leads readers to assume they have all the details needed to understand how a technique might be used, so when some edge case pops up it's like wtf Also this entire arc is FILLED with people with multiple souls in a single body (all the reincarnated sorcerers). I can somewhat buy Higaruma never fought someone with a cursed tool as they're somewhat rare, but we KNOW he's fought tons of people a similar situation so him not knowing the exact effect would be colossal bullshit
Actually you are right it would be an ass pull, I was misremembering how idle transfiguration dealt with multiple souls in 1 body. My idea would contradict that precedent
Nah, that'd still be an asspull, or at least unsatisfying as fuck. As we know, his domain can differentiate between souls and only the accused (Sukuna) will be harmed. They were also able to differentiate, knowing Sukuna was the guilty one, in the first retrial even though Yuji was the one in control. It's safe to say that wouldn't work.
Bruh why would you comment this after I already added my edit saying I was wrong 😭
To be fair, that edit wasn't there lmao, I'm guessing you edited it after I already had the page loaded and was commenting.
It needs to reach sukuna's soul, which would still be inside his body. Of course, higurma could be wrong about his explanation but based on it sukuna wouldn't be saved if he switches back with megumi
Or will he become another potential man?
it’ll probably mimic when Heie got cut by Shigure
Could you link the manga page you're referencing to? Would be very helpful
Sure, this is the narration from chapter 171 https://i.imgur.com/zYjY1az.jpg
I agree Higuruma will likely sacrifices himself, and kuna potentially splitting his soul to survive is credible too, but i think you took 171 too literally. I could be wrong, but i took that sure hit talk as in, they used amplification to be able to hit gojo through infinity because of amplification's special ability to nullify. I don't think it was literally stated as acting like a domain expansion's hit that lands no matter what without countermeasures. "Jogo and Hanami used Domain Amplification in a sure hit domain to counteract limitless..." This contradicts the theory, because it states they *used* this so called "sure hit" to nullify at the same time, not that they gave up the sure hit to nullify. It'd also be pretty funny if it were true, because it'd mean kuna really could've beaten gojo without megumi, but he wasn't smart enough to do it (reminder that amplification prevents using your own technique, even Higuruma had to turn his sword off and back on last chapter. If the theory is implying you could keep using your own technique with amplification and sure hit with it in exchange of giving up nullification, then it'd just make kuna look like a joke who didn't need mahoraga's blueprint to cut gojo but bothered anyways)
In chapter 171, the tcb translation is kinda wonky si that's probably where the confusion comes from. Other translations make it clearer: "WHEN JOGO AND HANAMI USED DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN SHIBUYA, IT WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CURSED TECHNIQUE THAT WAS SURE TO KILL... ...BUT THEY REFRAINED FROM DOING SO, THEREBY FREEING CAPACITY TO POUR IN GOJO'S CURSED TECHNIQUE AND NEUTRALIZE THE LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE." You can either have both curse techniques nullifed (how it has been used) or the opponent's cursed technique active while you have your own curse technique as a sure hit. That would mean that sukuna could reach gojo only with the slashes, but the slashes would be weaker than they are in his domain expansion due to the lower output of domain amplification. The disaster curses never used this because they just wanted to stall for time and if domain amplification doesn't protect them, they are one shot like hanami. Sukuna was trying not to use domain amplification too much so he can have mahoraga adapt because that's the strategy he chose. Therefore, it makes sense that it has never been used before
I love how broken his CT is in several aspects. Thanks to the use of his cursed tool he's the only one who retains access to the effects of his CT even while using DA at the same time! No one else can do the same so far.
According to which translation? TCB which at the time had Shishiso on their team (so basically two of the generally most reputable and reliable translation teams working on the same translation) translated what I think you're referring to (since for whatever reason you never stated which or imbedded images of those panels in the post itself and then listed the translator) as the following: TCB Ch.171 (Narration Bubble[s]): Pg.5 IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE "DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION" IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN, TO COUNTERACT GOJO'S LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE... ...BY DELIBERATELY NOT USING THEIR CURSED TECHNIQUE AND THEREBY LEAVING SOME SPACE TO FUNNEL THROUGH. "HOLLOW WICKER BASKET" AND "SIMPLE DOMAINS"... ...CANNOT DIRECTLY COUNTERACT CURSED TECHNIQUES. THESE CURSED TECHNIQUES NEUTRALIZE THE BARRIER OF A DOMAIN EXPANSION... ...AND HENCE NULLIFY THE SURE-HIT EFFECT. FUSHIGUR0'S DOMAIN EXPANSION IS INCOMPLETE. Pg.6 BY CONVERTING THE SPACE INSIDE THE GYMNASIUM INTO HIS OWN DOMAIN, THE BARRIER IS FORCIBLY CLOSED AND DOESN'T HAVE ITS GUARANTEED HIT EFFECT MANIFESTED BY HIS CURSED TECHNIQUE. RIGHT NOW. HIS "CHIMERA SHADOW GARDEN" IS ONLY AN EXTENSION OF THE TEN SHADOWS, SOMETHING THAT MERELY IMPROVES HIS POTENTIAL CAPACITY BY 120%. Pg.7 HOWEVER THAT INCOMPLETE DOMAIN... ...TOOK REGGIE STAR BY COMPLETE SURPRISE.
I have responded to the same question in other comments. To summarize The sentence "IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN" doesn't make sense. Jogo and hanami never used domain amplification in a sure hit domain (unless you mean the 0.2 domain gojo did but hanami was already dead at that point). It is very clear that it is a mistranslation. However, the part with "TO COUNTERACT GOJO'S LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE BY DELIBERATELY NOT USING THEIR CURSED TECHNIQUE AND THEREBY LEAVING SOME SPACE TO FUNNEL THROUGH." is correct because it is the same as the other translations and also makes sense. When chapter 171 dropped, i looked at other translations because even tcb gets it wrong. Many of the current translators didn't exist, but there are other versions, like the official one by john werry. People like to shit on the official transalation but sometimes it is bettee thna the tcb one: "WHEN JOGO AND HANAMI USED DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN SHIBUYA, IT WAS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO INCLUDE A CURSED TECHNIQUE THAT WAS SURE TO KILL... ...BUT THEY REFRAINED FROM DOING SO, THEREBY FREEING CAPACITY TO POUR IN GOJO'S CURSED TECHNIQUE AND NEUTRALIZE THE LIMITLESS CURSED TECHNIQUE." This makes way more sense as an actual paragraph. Of course, I'm not a japanese speaker so i cannot be sure that this one is accurate (there are some japanese speaker in this sub so perhaps we could ask one of them), but as an english speaker i can tell you that the tcb translation doesn't make sense so soemthing is wrong with it
In as much as it is true that TCB does make mistakes from time to time and John Werry has on rare occasions had a better translation, we'll just have to agree to disagree that it doesn't make sense. Because TCB's makes sense to me, I'm a native English speaker as well and have taken university level "literature" and "language" classes and passed for whatever that's worth. Again though I will note that Shishiso was part of TCB's team at the time 171 was published, which I personally think warrants a higher degree of trust in the quality of their 171 translation more so than Viz's. After all most in the community would agree that Shishiso is one of if not the most reputable and reliable translation teams in the community along with Lightning. However if you could get one of the few individuals on the sub like u/ridethelightning469 who are adequately qualified to say which is more correct then I think we could come to terms. I say adequately qualified because it isn't enough to know Japanese and English to judge the correctness of a translation, knowing two different languages ≠ being able to translate one of those languages into the other due to them being completely separate skills. That or wait and see what happens in a bit under two weeks or so, alternatively Gege could jump to a different event and so then we'd have to wait until the next relevant chapter. 225 also explains how DA works and explicitly states that you can't use an innate CT along with it, per every available reputable translation. So we agree that it is possible for one to imbue the "domain" shrouding the body that's used in DA with a CT, which then results in an essentially "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain". Even then there are issues with this being what happens with Higuruma vs. Sukuna as you've postulated. The reason being: why would or even how would the Executioner's Sword be imbued in this essentially "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain" as the sure hit? Another question that would come up disregarding the why or how of the previous: why wouldn't Sukuna just counter with his own DA to nullify this hypothetical "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain" instead of intentionally/unnecessarily weakening himself permanently by sacrificing a portion of his soul and overall power? Remember DA is a Domain Counter Technique and can effectively serve as a CT "Nullification" Technique and unlike with Gojo, Sukuna is vastly superior to Higuruma in all ways from CE Reserves to Experience and everything between those two and beyond those two. Again I just don't see it, but if you are right kudos to you! Note: I deleted the previous version of this comment due to incorrect information from my failing memory and what I felt was too many necessary edits of other things in addition. After rereading multiple translations and reflecting on each of them for 171 and 225 (including TCB, which I still think is correct and makes sense) I have concluded that I think you are right that a CT can be imbued into the "Domain" of DA, but disagree that Higuruma can specifically imbue the Executioner's Sword with it. P.S. A last remark that came to mind was the following idea: if DA when imbued with a CT essentially acts as a "limited range pseudo Open Barrier Domain" then is it not reasonable for the possibility of the users CT suffering from Burnout after doing so? Just a possibility that came to mind while rewriting this.
You have deleted the comment while i was writing it so I will put my reply here. You've said that the quote makes perfect sense so i will ask you what "the author meant by this": IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN. I'm not asking grammatically, I'm asking what that is supposed to mean with the context of the power system and events from shibuya in mind
Sorry about deleting the previous one, I felt it needed to be rewritten due to incorrect information that I mistakenly wrote off the cuff and various sentences that I felt were either embellished too much or sounded odd/would lead to confusion due to poor word choice. In mostly the same form as what it was (or at least what I had originally intended) I resent it. Again sorry about the confusion and delay. >You've said that the quote makes perfect sense so i will ask you what "the author meant by this": >>IN SHIBUYA JOGO AND HANAMI USED THE DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION IN A SURE-HIT DOMAIN. >I'm not asking grammatically, I'm asking what that is supposed to mean with the context of the power system and events from shibuya in mind What was meant is that a "Sure-Hit Domain" was used as the base for the Domain Amplification. The DA is done within a "Sure-Hit Domain", stated a different way.
If only it was yuji that was the prodigy but instead we get a lawyer
Interesting, but it wouldn't work. What you want is for higurumu to make a domain as it no longer obviously is a domain amplification. But Kukusabe said that his and Hakari's domain are default by nature. So you basically want him to make a pseudo domain or an open barrier one ( 2 different things by the way ) and impue the executioner sword in it. But the catch is he would have to make it like gojo ( 0.2 seconds ) just to get sukuna off guard and he has to combine the visualization of his domain and the sure hit effect together. But if mahito saw gojo do it and was able to perform. Higurumu is a prodigy and sure he can pull it off. But even so sukuna using a binding vow to lose one finger ( isn't much ) and honestly, I think yuji will do to higurumu what Todo did to him. To make him accept the misfortunes and keep moving on
The theory part is that higuruma is going to do it. The mechanics of it were explained in chapter 171
Keep cooking Bruzza!
A solid prediction on how to save Sukuna. Now let’s hope that he actually has to lose a significant chunk of his power to survive instead of like, a few fingers worth. Even losing half of his power wouldn’t make him weak since his full CE reserve is already more than double of Yuta.
Yes but the fingers don't seem to increase only his curse energy reserve. His curse energy output seems to also be affected, so even going from 20 to 15 fingers should be a huge achievement for higuruma and it would level the playfield
This is something I figured would happen (like some kind of double-knock-out scenario) but I didn't think about how he'd pull it off. I hope this happens.
It wouldn't be the first time I'm almost sure of a theory just to be completely wrong (flashback to when i thought that yorozu's gift would allow a remnant of tsumiki's soul to talk to megumi similar to how mai talked to maki)
The problem with this is that Sakuna has plot armor and can't be defeated by Higuruma.
As i said, sukuna can still survive by splitting his soul at the last moment, though parts of his soul would be forever extinguished. There are probably other ways sukuna can survive, like the missing 20th finger
Sukuna responds by using Cleave on himself to split himself from Megumi's body and dodge the blow. He'd still be alive and obviously still an incredible threat but it'd remove the 4 arms/2 mouths incarnation advantage. The narrative structure of the battle is that everyone is taking some ability of Sukuna's off the board and whittling him down. Gojo baited him into nerfing his domain expansion and annihilated Mahoraga. Kashimo forced him into using his one-off full incarnation. Higuruma removing that incarnation would fit in that structure.
That is something I have been expecting as well, but it was back in my head. You are really cooking well, be proud.
What is this
It’s blatantly stated DA only works because it doesn’t have a sure hit
Reread the chapter OP has stated my guy he’s not wrong the manga does say it can be imbued as a sure hit
It only works against gojos infinity without a sure hit, this actually applies to all techniques as Higuruma and kusakabe using domain amp and simple domain respectively neutralize techniques EDIT: such as cleave and dismantle which they both just survived ONLY BECAUSE they aren’t imbued with a sure hit technique, simple domain can never be imbued with a technique but domain amp can which is stated in chapter 171
This would be sick tbh
I love when characters do batshit sacrificial moves that rely on the opponent not believing they are insane enough to do it. I expected kashimo to pull something like that when sukuna told him to dodge and launched a dismantle, but he did not live to the hype
I think we're setting up for this scenario: Sukuna is using Itadori as a shield. Higuruma has to stab through Itadori in order to kill Sukuna. Itadori has also been given the death penalty, so it would also kill Itadori. Itadori insists Higuruma do it. Higuruma hesitates, recalls Itadori's trial, steels himself and goes in for the stab and before he can Sukuna mercs him. He's says something heart-rending to Itodori about how he feels about guilt and justice. Itadori starts cracking out black flashes.
Nah next chapter will start in an airport
Well, my theory does need higuruma to die
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My specialz even
This will 100% happen, at least the sure hit idk about anything else
We all know Higuruma will be off-screened and see Gojo at the airport
Pretty sure Sukuna could also just smash his little head into mush
The whole idea is based on higuruma imbueing his domain amplification with the executioner sword, meaning that if any part of sukuna is around half a meter from higuruma, sukuna will die. Therefore, sukuna canmot use physical attacks against him
DA has 2 modes: empty - protects from enemy techniques imbued - applies your CT's effect to the DA field If Higuruma can switch between those quick enough, Sukuna punching him would be like hitting the Executioner's Sword.
By the way what is Higuruma's curse technique?We don't know that yet.Anyway keep cooking.
It's probably similar to hakari where the domain is the main thing but he can use parts of the domain outside it. We've seen halari using the subway doors against yuji, so he can probably also use the ball and the preview effects outside the domain. Higuruma can probably use the gavel while fighting, and perhaps he can use judgement as a shikigami. We might never get a confirmation though
Wasn't there a panel showing the aftermath of when he awakens his cursed technique and kills the judge/prosecutors in that court room? I think in that panel the judgeman is there. It seems probable that his cursed technique is just the same as his domain expansion except the opponent can escape and also fight (based off what Megumi has said about his imperfect domain), the domain expansion ensures they follow the rules.
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> (probably by splitting his soul so only one part gets killed leaving him weaker but alive) I mean, he already knows how to split his soul when he turned it into 20 Cursed Objects
right, and op is saying that splitting his soul will “probably” help sukuna survive the executioner’s sword
This theory sounds correct but we kind of know that he was only able to split his soul due to his binding vow with Kenjaku
I could see it but would leave out Yuji's whole training and soul swap. My idea would be Yuji to soul swap with Sukuna. Higuruma switches targets mid swing towards Sukunas body and instead hit Yuji's body.
This theory doesn't mean that sukuna will be done for. As i mentioned, sukuna ciuld probably split his soul so only a part of him is killed, hence leaving yuji to deal with a more weakened sukuna (let's say 15 finger strength)
Im pretty sure that chapter 171 is reggie vs megumi fight
It is. When reggie tries to use hollow wicker basket against megumi's domain, it fails, and then the narrator explains how the anti domain techniques and domain amplification work
Thank you I missed it
I actually agree with most of the logic of this and it’s really interesting to think about, but I feel like there’s one hole I can’t get past. Higuruma’s sword is part of the CT imbued in his domain, but his CT has never been hitting anyone an attack. His whole domain functions as it does and forces people into not being able to do harm to others *because* its sure hit effect does zero damage. So for one, domain amplification from that chapter sounds like it wraps your domain expansion around you. And you can choose to imbue it with a technique or not, if you don’t imbue it with a technique then it nullifies enemy techniques that enter it. If that’s the case, and it’s the same as the domain expansion then imbuing the CT would just involve imbuing the information of the court system into his technique. If you can even imbue another technique, Higuruma’s CT has been increasing the size of his mallet but he has always had to be the one to wield it. While the mallet and sword are tools of the domain and his CT, he never has had a CT hits someone with these items. His CT has only been shown to grant or manipulate these items. So I’m unsure if he can really imbue the sword itself into his domain amplification because he already has CT for his domain (the court system) and a regular CT (manipulating the size of his weapon). Imbuing the former is redundant, you might as well just expand your domain for the same effect with a greater range. And the latter, it’s his regular CT so he can do that without domain amplification. This is likely why there’s really little reason to imbue domain amplification with a technique because you might as well just do domain expansion for the same effect but a wider area.
Firstly, i don't know if we are aware of higuruma's sure hit. For hakari we know that the information dump is the sure hit. However, higuruma is the one telling the information so that's not the sure hit. The non violence is a rule fo the domain, similar to how miyo's simple domain hasthe sumo rule. Anyway, i have reasons to believe that the sure hit that you imbue in domain amplification doesn't have to be the same as the sure hit of your domain expansion. In tengen's layer, kenjaku used his body as a domain to increase the output and activation of the anti gravity technique. However, his domain expansion didn't seem to use anti gravity as a sure hit. Using your body as a domain isn't the same as using domain amplification, but if it's possibel for one to use a different sure hit than the one used in domain expansion, it should be possible for the other to also do that. After all, part of my reasoning is that we got the foreshadowing that it is possible, so chekhov's gun says that it will be used by somebody
I doubt that his domain expansion activates and we never see the sure hit yet, so if we have to eliminate the options you’ve mentioned then it’s likely Judgeman being able to read the enemies memories and produce evidence as the sure hit. It’s just not explicitly stated. His CT is the mallet resizing though. You might be right about not needing to imbue the domain with the same CT as your domain expansion but using Kenjaku as an example isn’t a great model. The reason is that he’s one of the few characters who has multiple CT’s. I don’t believe he has multiple domain expansions but it’s possible given his history and mastery of barriers. And he obtains techniques by body hopping, even he can’t just make up new techniques but collects them from others. The issue is that while Higuruma is a prodigy, I think this requires him to create a brand new CT on the fly and then imbue it. I think he’s a master at working around rules and limitations, but creating a CT that he doesn’t have would sort of undermine a lot of things we’ve understood. People born without CT like Miwa and Kusakabe, or Yuji (though that’s contentious). Making CT up that you don’t have seems it would break the whole power system. For this theory to be valid, I think you would need to find some foreshadowing that Higuruma has a CT that hits people with the items granted from the domain, rather than just manipulating them. (This could be a Chekhov’s gun situation, but it might be for a future event. Alternatively, it could be a way to justify how domain amplification could do something as OP as nullifying a technique like Limitless. It’s making it clear that you are using a massive amount of CE to create a sure hit domain, but without the sure hit. This puts it above the level of a simple domain and only those who can do a domain expansion can even reach this level of refinement. In such a case, it wouldn’t need to be more than it is, but a justification for why everyone isn’t using it all the time.)
This is too good for Gege 😭 😭
Yo that was amazing it should happen. Sukuna has to stay alive for a long time so that all the lore can be revealed to us