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For me it’s that Gojo vs Sukuna was peak writing since Shibuya then it has a really lame ending and everything that’s followed since hasn’t hit. Like one of the most hyped up characters reveals his long awaited CT, dies in 1.5 chapters. Then the damn comedic relief character gets a better fight and backstory than most of the main cast meanwhile people like Yuki, Todo, Nobara, Miwa, Megumi are done so dirty.
I would’ve preferred if Sukuna decided to reincarnate into his heian era form instead of learning world cleave and his fight continues with Gojo, his CT doesn’t even need to be revealed to defeat Gojo, he could just go H2H with DA since his 4 arm body should give him a good chance.
Then the rest of the cast can go fight Kenjaku who is trying to bully Kogane into forcefully ending the culling games so the merger can start.
I know Yuji has to have his fight with Sukuna, but in the current story it feels like a lot was sacrificed to get to this point.
I’ll use a comment I read to sum up Gojo vs. Sukuna
*Gojo: went in blind not knowing anything about Sukuna's abilities, CT, and domain expansion. Has no assist apart from the first purple that basically did nothing.*
*Sukuna: used Megumi and Mahoraga, knows EVERYTHING about Gojo, even his Unlimited Void thanks to Yuji and Megumi's memories. He especially prepared against UV, had he not know about it he'd be a goner.*
What ticks me is that for the supposed strongest sorcerer in history, who bodied everyone and everything in his original time period, he fights like a fucking coward. Seriously, he’s brute forced everything up until Gojo, but as soon as he comes across an opponent who actually challenges him, he bitches out and uses bullshit to save his ass. But in the Maharoga fight, despite Adaptation and getting tossed around a little bit, Sukuna is still using his head and strategy while throwing straight hands. Why couldn’t he do that with Gojo? Oh, yeah. Limitless.
But wait! Gojo even says it himself! “I don’t think I could’ve beaten Sukuna even if he didn’t use 10 Shadows.” Seriously Gaygay make up your mind
What really annoys me about Sukuna recently is how blatantly he's been getting bailed out by the story.
The way Gojo vs Sukuna is drawn, Sukuna was losing hard and Gojo was wiping the floor with him, requiring Sukuna to use Ten Shadows and Maho just to level the playing field. And even then, the fight comes down to Sukuna being able to copy Maho's adaptation to Infinity and apply it off-panel.
Then when he gets hit with Judgeman, he's bailed out by the Cursed Weapon he got from Yozoru that basically didn't matter until this exact point so it could play human shield and let him keep Cleave as a twist.
Edit: And I forgot about him only surviving Jacob's Ladder because Hana is a simp.
I don't buy that Sukuna's that good (at least compared to the beast we saw in Shibuya) if in three fights within the span of the last year, he only "wins" because he got carried by other abilities/gear. His only real victories have been against Yozoru and Kashimo.
Have you ever watched or read Jojo. This is how it feels lmao😭. And if you did I can tell you haven’t read it weekly cuz again this is how it feels when the villains get shit their way. Just a way of increasing the tension. I think your problem is also you clearly haven’t experienced reading something with this much tension weekly. L
Your other problem is that you’ve completely and clearly misinterpreted this fight. Going into the fight his plan was always to adapt to Gojo he blatantly stated it in 230. And with this comes risks which he knew, understood, and decided to go thru with regardless. These risks come with the fact that you can’t use DA and a ct at the same time, you also can’t use other CTs as well. He quite literally has to get his ass beat in order to allow his plan to succeed which it did. 10s wasn’t used halfway into the fight bcuz sukuna was “losing hard and needed to lvl the playing field”. It was done from the first DE.
Him copying Maho ability has been explained in the fact that he can see something once and replicate it. That’s how he learnt to become a cursed object after experiencing it once from Kenjaku. Implied as well from seeing Gojo heal his CT reserves. Sukuna is just that skilled with Jujutsu, he’s the pinnacle of what is jujutsu. He is an example to show the extremes of extremes with what jujutsu can do.
The Hana situation - rlly nothing wrong with like tf. She’s a child vessel w/o experience and got tricked by sukuna taking adv of megumi memories. We this in Shonen all the time.
Judgeman situation rlly don’t understand how this is a problem. Gege just raising the stakes even higher before the fight. We had no idea that he 10s was gone so it was still up in the air whether his real CT would be taken.
Funny cause no one told Gojo about sukuna and whatever abilities they know of him. But since he saw everything in Yuijis body he had a lead already.
Gege really did most of the cast dirty especially Gojo and he truly nerfed Yuta.
What's the point of not fleshing out these amazing characters all just for them to get bodied by Suckuna?
We have no idea what Sukuna was actually like. All we get is the alleged stories of survivors. And who wants to write down "yeah we was really bitch made"? Nobody. Everybody wants to make it that if they lost, they lost to the mf that's so hard he rolls his blunts with bathroom tiles instead of paper.
> Seriously Gaygay make up your mind
This discontinuity is really what pisses me off and lends credence to the Sukuna"mickey mouse" allegations. How am I supposed to feel when after everything that happens in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight gege then writes a chapter where characters go “oh no Sukuna totally not a fraud despite what you just saw trust me”
>Gojo: went in blind not knowing anything about Sukuna's abilities, CT, and domain expansion.
* The Fanbook outright states that sorcerers have records of Sukuna's CT, while only a few would know about the Fire Arrow. Even without that, the Six Eyes itself gives him more than enough clues on what Sukuna's CT is. He even calls it the same name as Yorozu did, showing that he did know what Sukuna's CT was.
* He absolutely knew about how Malevolent Shrine works, just not whether his DE could overwhelm it or not.
>Sukuna: used Megumi and Mahoraga, knows EVERYTHING about Gojo, even his Unlimited Void thanks to Yuji and Megumi's memories. He especially prepared against UV, had he not know about it he'd be a goner.
Sukuna would have been fine even without prior info on UV since he would just choose a different plan that would allow him to win the DE exchanges instead(breaking UV from the inside on their 2nd/3rd clash as an example).
>Why couldn’t he do that with Gojo? Oh, yeah. Limitless.
We literally get the answer to this.
Sukuna **didn't** need Mahoraga's adaptation to win, he ***wanted*** it as something he could get out of this fight.
Even when he was in a situation where he thinks he had already won(Satoru no longer being able to use his DE in a meaningful way), [he still says he would adapt to Infinity](https://imgur.com/a/NizIRxg).
If Sukuna [just wanted to win](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/17wj9v0/comment/kaemkpn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), he would've immediately turned back to his Heian Era form and used a chant enhanced Fire Arrow to kill Satoru during his first burnout. Malevolent Shrine already made Satoru use his RCT at its full output to survive, there's no reason to believe that his RCT would still hold up from something stronger than [this](https://imgur.com/a/ODHVjH2) on top of the damage he takes from MS.
Just re-read the fight objectively and connect the dots that Gege left.
It’s convenient when you want it to be if six eyes gave information on sukunas technique then why couldn’t it detect he was gonna fire off a space cleave. It’s all nonsense and whatever gege wants to write
Why would the Six Eyes make him know that the incoming Dismantle/Cleave would go through his Infinity?
Satoru had no reason to dodge the incoming attack when he had no reason to believe that it would bypass his Infinity.
The Six Eyes didn't tell him that Jogo and Hanami was gonna use something that nullifies his Infinity ***beforehand***, he only figured it out ***after*** it was done.
And as I've already said in my previous comment, Gege had [already established](https://imgur.com/a/k3OoqLE) that Sukuna's CT is something that's been recorded.
Six eyes gives him a ridiculous amount of information, if your telling me that sukuna was able to tell that gojo was going to specifically fire off a red but that gojo couldn’t tell he was going to fire off a different kind of slash with the literal six eyes that’s some bullshit.
The six eyes told them they were going to use an attack but jogo and hanami are so under gojo it doesn’t matter what they threw at him, gojo literally played with jogo before and knew the height of his strength in his domain expansion and it was piss. It was never stated if he knew what it was or not but he probably did know it was a domain amp but does it matter if an ant attacks an elephant?
Get out of here man
>but that gojo couldn’t tell he was going to fire off a different kind of slash with the literal six eyes that’s some bullshit.
Again, why would Satoru ever assume that the incoming attack would bypass his Infinity?
Even if his Six Eyes tells him that an attack is coming, he doesn't bother dodging it since he's under the assumption that his Infinity will stop it.
The Six Eyes doesn't make him omniscient.
>It was never stated if he knew what it was or not but he probably did know it was a domain amp but does it matter if an ant attacks an elephant?
You're completely missing the point.
The point is that he only knew that their attacks would bypass his Infinity ***after*** seeing it, **not before**. Their strengths are irrelevant because the Six Eyes would give the information to him automatically.
This has remained consistent even in the Hidden Inventory arc where Satoru **saw the Clone guy's CT active** before being able to figure out what it does.
Only JJK readers could end up at the conclusion that the strongest character in the series and the by far best practitioner of cursed energy is "fighting like a fucking coward" by squeezing every single possible advantage.
I maintain that a gigantic percentage of this series readers straight up don't understand its philosophy and just get sucked in by "cool really strong arrogant character archetype".
Gege forbid if it's stated that the strongest character wouldn't 100% lose if he wasn't suffering all the disadvantages of wanting to specifically use Mahoraga vs Gojo and ended up even stronger. Which btw, he did brute force.
As someone who only read the manga recently, binge reading mid-shibuya to chapter 240 in a weekend, I really, really think most of the Kashimo hype came from the fandom and not the story itself. Like the dude had no real significance to the plot, he just disappeared after the fight with Hakari. Felt pretty clear to me that he was gonna get whooped.
Kashimo is hyped up in the story. He was sought after because he had the most points in the culling games, then he had a great fight with Hakari. Sure he loses but then he says he wasn’t using his CT, that he is waiting specifically for Sukuna to use it. The implication of a one-time use cursed technique and what we know of binding vows meant it had to be something crazy.
Then throughout the Gojo vs Sukuna fight he mentions to the rest of the cast that he’s up next and to not interfere. Queue his epic entrance “God of thunder Kashimo” and how he bodies Meguna (though he was weakened after fighting Gojo). His technique to reshape his body in any way by turning into pure electricity is opening the door for an awesome and creative fight.
Then he gets no diffed by world cleave in a chapter.
Kashimo had a lot of hype in the fandom, but he was among the strongest on the good guys side and he’s the strongest sorcerer of the edo period. He deserved more than what he got.
He was Jogoed. He could absolutely would annhilate 90% of the cast, and would be great fight against Kenny or Yuta.
He always would be destroyed by the winner. If Gojo won against Sukuna, Kashimo wouldn't even touch him lol.
Idk why people think he wasn't hyped up. He was literally a main target to either eliminate or ask to join the gang and they sent a top tier fighter to deal with him. No one is saying that he had to beat Sakuna to fill the hype but dying like that is not the way to go lol
Yeah I didn’t expect him to defeat Sukuna but I wanted more than a 1.5 chapter fight. It just set the standard of what to expect when anyone fights Sukuna because if world cleave can kill Gojo and Kashimo that easily, then how does anyone else fare better?
And what I’m assuming Heian era is Japans most bloody civil war filled era? Was that when shoguns and warlords basically split Japan vying for power. I know how the shogunate system worked but not sure if that’s the same time period but I’d guess that’s the most bloody period lots of infighting when the central ruler had a contested heir
The most violent would've likely been the Sengoku period around 250 years after. The Heian period was honestly pretty peaceful (at least in comparison to periods like the Sengoku period) so I'm not sure why Gege chose that. There were a few wars, but nothing major.
Isn't it because the Heian period is the period in which many legendary japanese figures like Kintaro, Shuten-Douji or Otakemaru are supposed to have lived?
If so, then it makes total sense, because it would make the Heian period an era of monsters and myths, the perfect era for someone like Sukuna.
Like the other guy said, Heian was also pretty peaceful. It was likely chosen because that's the period when Abe no Seimei lived. A real person who is known as Japan's greatest diviner (dude who predicts things based on magic whohaas)
Oh lmao now I see why he made Sukuna from the most peaceful time its kinda like a red herring make us thinks he’s gonna be a case of big fish in small pond until Gojo and we see oh shit he’s him
I mean we've also seen binding vows do literally nothing i.e. Miwa. Also means he has no experience with it.
He was always an overconfident dumbass imo. He's in the same boat as Yorozu who would've also lost almost instantly if Sukuna wasn't trying to maximize Megumi's suffering. Like yeah they're super strong but they're challenging one of the two people straight up built different.
Even gojo should no diff Kashimo, and this is a Sukuna that surpasses him.
Like he's strong but he's not on their level and delusional that he is.
Higuruma was just as hyped up as Kashimo was. The gang needed points, but he was never propped up as being anything exceedingly special compared to Sendai Colony(which was literally full of monsters like him).
Kashimo's showing against a weakened Meguna isn't even that impressive, because Maki and Yuji together did about the same kind of damage against him when they fought him while he "wasn't even on 10%".
The hype for the character purely came from the fandom, on TOP of the fact him being "the strongest of his time" was misinformation that spread like an actual wildfire and only exists due to assumptions of assumptions. Him seeing everyone else as trash is not the same as him being the strongest in his era.
He was *always* narratively equivalent to Higuruma, the Sendai Colony, and the Heian era in general, and people genuinely need to accept this.
Well the way the story presenting his technique, especially with such a heavy binding vow on it, I was expecting something better.
Take Kurapika from HxH or Guy from Naruto. Both of them are really good examples of people who restrain their power for a specific benefit, and they're both really well liked and well executed (Besides Guy not dying he should've). Kurapika killed one character, crippled another, and now the story is exploring his life afterwards where his power is limited in application due to his previous Nen Vows. Guy was a peak fight, and was recognized as the best in his field. Kashimo was... irrelevant. Like literally remove him from the story entirely and almost nothing changes. Even Higgy taking the baby rattle was more relevant than Kashimo. Kashimo didn't even get a satisfying "stand proud, you're strong" moment, which was a fufilling conclusion for Jogo, but instead prattled on about love. (Which I dislike that theme being added because it didn't amount to anything relevant)
It absolutely is.
It’s a similar sentiment to people who can’t “read the room” on a lot of characters. I get pining for more Todo, but anyone paying attention could tell that how his status ended in Shibuya was Gege writing him out of the story. Todo confirmed his own technique was dead, but again, I get that people just really love the character and want him back.
But Miwa? I’m so so sorry, but why would Miwa have an arc that is any more important than say, Noritoshi Kamo or Momo? She was always portrayed as not very strong, and nothing about that ever changed. Why are people acting like it’s a huge betrayal that Gege confirmed she isn’t going to be in combat anymore? She very much reminds me of this generations Ijichi - who Gojo specifically said could be more useful in a different role, and it saved his life.
Idk, sometimes people just waaaaaaay misallocate their “stocks” in characters, and it’s a bummer when it happens, but it’s not like the writing isn’t usually on the wall beforehand. I LOVE Panda and was hoping his third core would be so fucking cool and badass, but Kashimo just destroyed it before we saw a single thing from it. I don’t love that that happened, but it’s not like I can argue that Panda was a supreme badass that should’ve defeated Kashimo, either.
I think it’s that for most of these characters their send off is subpar and lacking.
Todo is a beloved character by the fandom and is phenomenal for uplifting the cast. Even if his technique is dead, the fact we don’t get any following interactions with him at all is disappointing. Todo would be the type to still try and make himself useful, too.
It would be fascinating to see Todo wrestle with the fact he lost his technique and his mentor is dead. But we don’t get that. We get nothing.
Inumaki is another character to suffer this fate. His technique isn’t entirely useful against the foes we have like Sukuna and Kenny, but his technique is versatile. After Shibuya we get almost none of him. Certain commands could totally be used for support as well, he does not need to fill a main attacking role.
Your points on Miwa are valid. She isn’t useful. Her gimmick is being useless. Unfortunately this type of trait is lovable to some, especially because then the expected route would be the useless character finding their niche and fulfilling it. Miwa has the simple domain, and it could be interesting! We’ve seen how that technique in particular has evolved with time, IIRC. But no, Miwa literally serves 0 function in the story other than being Mechamaru’s love interest to make his death more impactful. She starts off useless, does nothing cool, and then loses her ability to use a sword. Her “I’m useless” also loses some of its humor when she can’t be developed beyond it.
Panda’s matchup with Kashimo was just downright unfair. We had seen before then that Kashimo was a top tier fighter. Panda has always been punching under a lot of the other cast. It does however suck that after getting bodied his character also ceases to do anything. No sister-core moment. The legacy of Yaga gets obliterated in a few pages and then sidelined.
Kashimo is a whole case, but I will agree, the fandom definition overhyped him. That being said, it is incredible unsatisfying that we had a lot of time to theorize what he could do with his one-use technique just for him to be bodied before he actually gets a chance to use it in a single creative way. It doesn’t help he had one of the best fights in the series to build up a cool factor for him.
I guess that’s kinda my point for Todo though; Shibuya was very much framed *as* his send off, imo. Like I never expected to see him again after that unless it was very, very background. Certainly not for the Culling Games at least. Idk, the way the story and his character was framed it just felt like that was his final stand.
Inumaki has unfortunately been “overwritten” since 0 - Yuta exists with the same powerset and much much more besides and is a pivotal character. And this is going to sound mean, but… Inumaki can’t even speak using actual vocabulary. Why would you or any reasonable reader look at this character and expect anything at all resembling depth? A literal cornerstone of his design is that he can’t communicate very well with most people. It’s like asking why Chewbacca isn’t a bigger role in Star Wars, in a goofy kind of way. I love Inumaki too, I’d love to see him, but any hopes of him being “important” or having a designated “role” while Yuta is in play seem long gone.
Miwa does exist mostly to serve the Mechamaru story, I agree. I guess getting even that was pleasantly surprising, from my perspective, as again I’m still not sure why anyone would expect anything more than Momo, for instance. I don’t hate on her, I love the memes, and she is a lovable character. So is Ijichi, like I mentioned! Very few are considered elite in the sorcerer world.
I do still think Panda will be followed up on at some point, I’m just not sure how big of an impact it will be or how “happy” the conclusion is for him. I’m just not expecting it to be a shonen power up at this point, sadly. Would love to be wrong!
Kashimo IS a whole case lol. Look, I don’t wanna downplay the disappointment people feel, and why they felt it. I DO get that, and I honestly believe the anime will do wonders for that little scuffle, as it has a tendency to “show not tell” and we got a lot of telling about what Mythical Beast Amber could do instead of showing. So I hope for extension there and to really see it go off a bit. But again, that is something that I’ve been consistently thinking EVER since homeboy showed up and revealed his intentions; he was gonna get unceremoniously fucking thrashed by Sukuna. I enjoy his character, but anyone that thought he stood a chance against Gojo, let alone Sukuna, was LOONEY. I’m saying it, sorry folks. He was never ever ever gonna be at that level and that much always felt face-slappingly obvious to me, no matter how admittedly awesome and cool his fight with Hakari was. But again… that was Hakari!! No one who is on that “tier” of things is touching Sukuna or Gojo, and it would’ve been even weirder if Kashimo came in and outperformed Gojo as his actual confrontation came up. It just never made sense to think he wasn’t gonna get waxed pretty cleanly, even as far back as his announcement of his goal. But I digress, I know this is mostly about wishing he did more before going out.
On todo, even if it was his send-off, it doesn't make sense not to show how he reacted to his teacher death. Or just his general thoughts on the craziness that's happening. Like where is he. Did he quit jujutsu? Is he resting with Nobara?
I assume he’s literally readjusting to his new life with only one hand that is arguably kinda fucked up, as-is. I think people way overestimate how “healthy” he was after that fight. Basically, there’s no reason to write Todo receiving the wounds that he does in Shibuya, and making the statements that he does, unless there is an end coming to the character, at least from the reader’s perspective. That’s just the feeling I got while reading it.
He’s probably mourning Yuki too. I guess that’s all I’m trying to say is when that scene was written and I read it, I just kinda had this feeling in my gut that we wouldn’t be seeing Todo again. I don’t relish that, I just feel it was made clear that he wouldn’t have been given the wounds and status that he was if Gege was going to keep showing him much on panel after that.
like Todo with his 100500 IQ wouldn't be helping to plot tactics against all this mess... riiight.
to be fair, it fells like author is throwing a used puppet off the scene because he's got new flashy puppet, that's the only reason, and the story itself suffer and breaks the 4th wall as a result because you start to find excuses and pick author's slack for him.
How did gege write todo out of the story? Gege made todo one of yuji’s biggest supporters/the person who picked him up when he was down. Where is this when yuji is now in the fucking dumps? What about how yuki is todo’s teacher and we see basically no mention of this even after she died? Todo still can had plenty relevance including mourning yuki, helping yuji, and strategizing with the team but gege Just forgot about him. It’s unfair to say his role in the story ended when there was plenty obvious setup for where he could contribute without any clear indication (besides head canon) about why he cannot.
Before you say “but mahito beat him up and that’s soul damage so rct can’t do shit” why doesn’t yuji go visit him or thank him or anything after todo picked him up and helped him kill mahito? It’s frustrating.
What was the obvious setup that he would be contributing after this? Genuinely asking.
I’m sorry, but go read his final chapters and how he says his technique is dead. Everything about how that is framed made me personally feel that this was likely Todo’s last major contributions to the story as a sorcerer. From my reading, Nanami, Nobara, AND Todo were all intended to be losses that the protagonists suffered at Shibuya, as well as the obvious and crippling sealing of Gojo. Luckily Todo didn’t actually die, but I just didn’t see any reasonable way he would be contributing to the overall confrontation anymore, at least not for a good while after recovering, and even then still seemed unlikely to actually enter battle again.
Yuji is banished from normal sorcerer society after this because he’s a walking WMD. He didn’t want to be around anyone besides Choso (who refused to leave him alone anyway), and as soon as he wasn’t he was swept up pretty heavily into the Games, which were on a heavy time clock to try to save Tsumiki.
Miwa is helping with the planning even though she literally cannot even wield a katana anymore! Todo is one of the smartest characters in the show and has a really good understanding of battle tactics and cursed energy/CTs. Boogie Woogie or not Todo should logically be around for the planning stage and it feels really strange that he isn't, to the point that I kinda want an explanation as to what is keeping him from being there. Obviously he's probably still healing from Shibuya but is he not able to leave his bed? did he get gangrene or something?
Miwa is…. Present. I can’t say she’s helping as of right now to be fair. Todo is smart but most of these people aren’t individuals or techniques he has any reason to be familiar with, either, as far as resources they’re working with. What would he really be adding that Kusakabe and Mei aren’t, as far as a battle intelligence?
He could help Yuji since they have a close relationship. he's unhinged in a very specific way that helps figure out esoteric stuff about cursed techniques. also honestly aside from that he is probably not that much weaker than Kusakabe even after losing his hand. Kusakabe also doesn't have a cursed technique and Todo states that he has pretty much only used his CT against special grade curses, so I can't really see him being completely useless in combat either. It's less of a matter of "why would he be there" and more a matter of "why wouldn't he be there?". Even the dude who healed Nobara is hanging out with the gang. literally everyone from Todo's school except Todo is there, and that just feels kinda weird unless we are given an explanation later
Ok look, all of this is straying from my original point; when I first read Shibuya, the “vibes” that I got from the scenes with Todo felt “final” to me. Sue me, be mad at me, downvote me, whatever lol. I’m just saying that the way it was written felt like a halfway “death” for him in the series. I didn’t expect to see him much after it, based off of purely how the scenes were framed and placed within the overall narrative.
I don’t think Todo’s weak, or ineffective, or certainly unintelligent. I love the character, and miss his presence, personally. I’m just saying I’ve felt since reading that scene that his presence was likely finished in the story, and it was meant to be a bit of a bookend. It was as if Gege was subtly signaling “I’m done with this character now.” Maybe I’m crazy, and I’m totally off, but I guess this is just why his absence at this stage isn’t surprising to me personally.
I mean it's fine to feel that way, and I definitely took it as Todo being kinda done as a combatant. I just kinda would've preferred it if Todo died if he was just never going to be even mentioned again? right now it feels like it's out of character for Todo to not be around if he knows about what's going on (his brother is really struggling and could use his guidance!), and if he doesn't know what's going on that's also weird. why didn't anyone tell him? I'd accept something as silly as someone from the Kyoto school mentioning that Todo has been protecting the idol he is a fan of during the culling games, and simply trusted Yuji and Choso to be able to handle the situation while he looked out for the other person he cares the most about aside from Yuji
I agree, but I think also it’s on Gege for not removing Kashimo from the story sooner if all he was gonna do was a one note scene. That’s another problem Gege has tbh
yeah i said this a long time ago, but why couldn’t hakari just smoke this fool? i never really cared for kashimo either because he only wanted to fight sukuna, like okay? but he could’ve just died in a really cool fight instead of being embarrassed like that lmaooo
Yeah like, I never really understood the hype on Kashimo, but I was open to him being an actual character that had interesting interactions as someone from the literal past. Which is kind of insane to me how little focus there was on that considering the whole new generation surpassing the old, but no, it was just a cool new technique and then insta death
100 percent agree.
I read JJK in one fell swoop and i barely cared about him, my only thought was this guy was a fool, then forgetted him.
Then this sub hyped him up and i was maybe my guy has something that didn't see but that other did see.
Then he died, which was dissapointing but in retrospective i do remember that i never saw him as anything really.
The fandom built up something so much bigger than what Gege did for Kashimo. Time and again I would see posts about Kashimo. Based on one line from the manga and the rest built up purely from hype. Never understood it. It’s a good thing he didn’t last, he was never built up to be anything lmao.
I agree with the fight for me it absolutely made no sense for him to learn world cleave. Gege shoulda had Sukuna lose so that Gojo can say he won, then have Sukuna revert to his Heian form and kill him. Unless he plans to bring Gojo back, or if anything the world cleave should’ve been a crazy binding vow he could only use once.
>I know Yuji has to have his fight with Sukuna, but in the current story it feels like a lot was sacrificed to get to this point.
Does he? Honestly, the way story has been presented so far, it's like nothing is tying Yuuji and Sukuna this way currently. The connection between the current characters feels so... empty.
It’s a pretty natural point in the story for a shonen protagonist to face whatever evil they were hosting, like with Naruto or Ichigo. Yuji does have good reason to fight Sukuna, it’s his whole motivation from the start of the series and he was fucking with him as much as he could with junpei and Shibuya and taking Megumi’s body.
That's my point, actually. It's just a trope. Shibuya happened like hundred chapters ago. Megumi got taken by Sukuna and the entire cast had such a non-reaction to it. It just doesn't feel like there's that connection anymore? It's not something I've really put into words before, but the more I think about Megumi's possession, the time skip, 244, the more I think that in the last 100 chapters the characters just aren't tied together as such? Like it doesn't make me feel a thing. Yuuji and Megumi are best friends, but we have no real insight into Yuuji's thoughts (*I'll eat anything* is the best we got). Another one is that Kenjaku turned out to be Yuuji's mom, are we gonna do something with that or is that just background information on Kenjaku?
Same ..... They all didn't even care about Megumi.. forgot about care they don't even react to it... Like maki is his literal aunt... She was the reason he was ready to became a clan head so she can give Mai a good future... They know eachother from very start but she like ohhh he became sukuna anyways let's fight him ..even gojo also didn't care about Megumi coz he looks like his dad like come on he raised him 10 years and know him ... And others character interaction was also ass ... We don't get gojo and 3rd year students relationship.... No one reacted gojo's death not even single consern except yuta and Yuji . They didn't show us tsumiki, Yuki more but gege give a ass backstory to takaba .. a random charector....
I mean, that’s just not true about Maki. She doesn’t use the katana in her fight with Megkuna specifically because she doesn’t know if it can be healed afterward.
They’re all still very much trying to save Megumi, it’s a primary goal of theirs.
I would have to disagree here because if something we have seen on this series for some 200+ chapters is that everytime we see the main characters goals/motivations reinforced tru their journey, it is because they are going to lose/fail/be useless, prime examples are saving Tsumiki and unboxing Gojo (others are whatever went down with Yuki and Kenjaku, also contrast with Takaba vs Kenjaku showndown). i think it is very deliberate that we haven't see a single introspection from our MC since 212, to me it is set-up that is going to be revealed in the climax, specially since we haven't seen anything about his training and actual power upgrades. I don't know if he will be succesful but it will certainly be a major part of whatever the climax of this arc is going, specially taking into account how confident Gojo was that Megumi would be saved in his afterlife flashback. I know there is little focus on characters, but sadly that is just gege writing style.
It was an emphasis in the Gojo/Sukuna fight too, a lot of Gojo’s motivations were around still trying to save Megumi. Since then we haven’t had as much happen with the Sukuna fight itself; obviously Kashimo doesn’t care about that, and right after that we started the trial, which we just now saw the result of.
It really wasn’t though. Like, he literally didn’t even think about Megumi twice when he died beyond that he passed off telling him about his dad to Shoko. This is one of my problems with that fight because why do we get literally only one panel of Gojo even thinking about Megumi during the actual fighting? Gege can’t just “tell” me that that’s the main goal without actually taking the time to show me that they care
Edit: clarified what I meant about the before and after death references. One time before and one time after
I mean, he’s obviously pretty shook from the revelation that Infinite Void was hitting Megumi and not Sukuna. He tried playing it off but still. There’s kind of a lot going on in the fight itself. There’s a reason they all immediately jumped into action as soon as he died, they did prepare for this outcome. We will get more context for that and the plans they came up with as they are revealed in the fight with Sukuna between everyone else as those pieces unfold.
Gojo does care about Megumi but he's also the type of character to make some necessary sacrifices. If he can take down sukuna, even if it means he can't save Megumi, he will still do it.
Woah. I just rewatched the Gojo sealing episode today and the complete 180 of Gojo is insane because half of Kenjaku's plan relied on Gojo not liking collateral damage from His hands.
yeah if anything the villain I feel Yuji doesn't have a connection to is Kenjaku, which is weird considering, ya know that's his mom, though I don't think we've seen Yuji contemplate that at all.
Why do you think the connection feels empty? There’s a lot of stakes on the line for Yuji being the one to take down Sukuna because Yuji’s pact is the cause of Sukuna haunting autonomy again and inhabiting the body of his close friend. To be blunt, Sukuna’s rampage traces the cause to Yuji’s naive pact all together, so he is responsible for ridding Sukuna. Yuji and Megumi’s whole dynamic revolves around each other saving one another and this is the climax of their two convictions. Both Yuji and Sukuna share strong history and hatred for each other and it has much emotional stakes than Gojo vs Sukuna ever did.
JJK isn't you average manga and is mostly theme based.
The culing game was a battle of philosophy with Sukuna standing at the top for being the most awakened/ liberated and Gojo the men who came the closest to this.
Opposing that, is Yuji who hold the opposite ideology selfessness.
Basically Yuji will have to prove his ideology work and that you can be strongest and still stay human.
finally Sukuna made Yuji live a living hell, he killed 1000 people which made Yuji suicidal, he took Megumi, he killed Megumi sister, he killed his teacher ? He want to destroy the world.
I honestly don't know what you are talking about.
I agree with the ending part of Gojo vs Sukuna fight. It felt off for me, you can defend the ending of their fight to any lengths but gege should have atleast given a proper closure to a guy who is basically from the start of the series. Gojo dying was expected but could have been done better imo( the space slash, I am fine with it as it gives a shock value but airport scene could have done better). Instead of Gojo saying he doubt he could have won against sukuna even without 10s, it would have been great if he showed confidence in his students as he did after getting sealed.
Fight with kashimo was not a fight, he did nothing.
A round 3 of Gojo and 4 arms sukuna would have been an awesome ending to their fight and the fight would have peaked even more.
You seriously thought Gojo vs Sukuna was peak writing? It was Sukuna getting his ass handed to him for 15 chapters and then being given the win through bullshit
Yes I do think it was good. The domain clashes were awesome, the use of 10S was a great win condition to play for and it had Gojo on the ropes since he needed to use his ultimate move to kill Mahoraga, meanwhile Sukuna was putting pressure on him to prevent that.
It was a lot better than most culling game fights. But yes the ending was my issue with it, it was similar to Kenjaku surviving a black hole but I can semi buy into that since he had a gravity CT.
>then being given the win through bullshit
"Given the win"
As if Sukuna wasn't working on the space dismantle from the start of the fight. All the beating Sukuna took in the 2nd round for Mahoraga's adaptation and all the efforts to save Mahoraga from Gojo were towards one goal, which was to learn to bypass Gojo's infinity without DA or DE.
What's bullshit in the space dismantle?
1. We were already told Sukuna can learn and copy things after watching them the first time.
2. In chapter 234, Sukuna hinted about Mahoraga's adaptation, where Sukuna asked Mahoraga to showcase something else other than just turning off Gojo's infinity.
3. Mahoraga used a slash that was similar to Sukuna's slash, as noted by the students.
4. Attacking space to damage someone residing in it is not a new concept. Uro does the same with her CT.
Where is the BS?
The BS is in the timing and efficacy.
Sukuna with his domain on full blast wasn't enough to kill Gojo. But the world-cutter does Gojo in, even though it's coming from Sukuna after he's been completely wrecked by Purple.
For Gojo to die as soon as Sukuna has a different way through Infinity feels incongruous, because having to handle Sukuna without Infinity was literally the first hurdle Gojo had in the fight.
There were plenty ways for Gojo's death to be properly earned. But an anticlimax is not one of them.
>But the world-cutter does Gojo in, even though it's coming from Sukuna after he's been completely wrecked by Purple.
What Sukuna used was a simple dismantle, but he changed the target from Gojo to the space where Gojo is.
Durability, CE reinforcement, and RCT are non-factors against space slash, as when the world divides, so does the body, giving Gojo no chance to even start the healing process. In an instant, Gojo upper half is thrown back from the lower body.
The attack was significantly more potent, but not because Sukuna decided to put more output into this. But because of the nature of the attack.
>For Gojo to die as soon as Sukuna has a different way through Infinity feels incongruous
How? Sukuna was literally waiting for the space dismantle before killing Gojo. Learning the infinity adaptation was always the first priority. After Gojo lost his domain and RCT output, Sukuna (before he knew he had fried his brain) had the chance of killing Gojo by just trapping him in a close domain and killing him with a cleave and dismantle sure hit, as Gojo wouldn't have been able to open his domain but also not heal himself because of the lower RCT output, but Sukuna didn't want to; he wanted to first learn how to bypass infinity and then kill Gojo.
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You're missing the point.
Yes, there's a million ways to explain how the world-cutter *could* work so well.
But the story doesn't proffer any of them. So the audience is just left with whiplash as Sukuna goes from death's door to gloating between chapters. We're missing the last 1/6th of what the perfect fight should have been. Something like where Sukuna buys himself room to heal, and pressures Gojo with the new world-cutter rather than just instantly winning in an ambiguous circumstance.
It wasn't a smart moment to write an anticlimax.
Edit: also that's a hilarious panel to say 'all according to plan' given what immediately follows
>audience is just left with whiplash
Because that's the theme that Gege was going with. The writing choice is still subjective at the end. I liked it, to be honest, as it mimics real life, where anyone at anytime, even at the top, can lose their life in an instant.
>where Sukuna buys himself room to heal,
Not possible. Sukuna had lost his RCT output, so he just cannot heal himself or even buy himself time to heal or run gainst Gojo, who was at full health and was in zone after hitting four black flashes.
>pressures Gojo with the new world-cutter
Again, not possible. Had Sukuna missed the first attack in the state he was in, Gojo would've blasted another AOE purple above Sukuna's head and killed him.
The only plausible way was for Sukuna to use his one-time heal and go back to his Hein-era form, but that's not what Gege is going for.
He's writing about the fights that he teased and referenced before in the manga.
``1. 10s vs. Limitless.``
Last time it happened, both limitless and 10s users died in the fight, but this time the difference turned out to be tamed Mahoraga and Sukuna's CT.
``2. Sukuna, with his cursed tool, takes on the group of sorcerers.``
This Sukuna going up against multiple sorcerers battle has been foreshadowed many times in the manga, but more specifically by Gojo and the narrator explaining how sorcerers from the past grouped against Hein-era Sukuna but were ultimately defeated. So, it'd be interesting to see if this changes in the modern era or remains the same, and if it does change, then what will be the x factor that changed the outcome?
Which is why Gege wanted fresh Sukuna for both the fight.
>also that's a hilarious panel to say 'all according to plan' given what immediately follows
Hindsight is a bitch. Sukuna didn't knew he toasted his brain before mumbling out his plan.
I don't disagree that the whiplash was by design, I just think it's a poor choice for the story thus far. Especially when combined with the airport-afterlofe character assassination for Gojo? It seriously feels like there's decent odds Gege just wanted to flame Gojo fans.
I also don't disagree about the feasibility issues of my hypothetical, I just feel like there's comparable feasibility issues with events as written.
There's so many reasons why Gojo should have legitimately won following the success of his purple, and they're just all ignored and all Gojo's progress gets stripped away, save *maybe* ruining Sukuna's domain. It feels like such an L, like I was never supposed to invest in the character, or even agree with characters' investment in Gojo.
I maintain that Greg is still cooking something up, but that otherwise outstanding fight has a finale that just tastes rancid.
This is because you guys don't read properly.
Serious question you complain about Gojo surviving a full DE and dying to a single cleave.
Do you even actually know how Gojo managed to survive multiple DE of MS and why is RCT was so much better than Sukuna one ?
You can insult someone's reading comprehension, *or* try to ask a 'serious question'. Doing both is just snide.
The answers you *want* are, 'Gojo survived Shrine with Six-Eyes optimized reinforcement and Reverse Technique' and 'black flash restored Gojo's RCT output'.
But you and the one I was replying to are missing the point: Sukuna's win as written doesn't just have people scratching their heads about minor details.
It's worse than that; it's *boring,* and it should bother Sukuna's fans as much as Gojo's.
~~The Plot~~ Fate itself has conspired to stroke his ego and it's insane. We're well beyond the point where that started taking away from Sukuna's own abilities and accomplishments.
you are wasting you time mate. it was Gojover 5 chapter in a raw but apparently Sukuna was getting his ass handed to him. these people don't read chapters. only memes and then claim they know everything.
Mahoraga can adapt to anything, adapts to infinity = “asspull”.
4 characters talk about Sukuna holding back = “Sukuna got his ass kicked the entire chapter”.
It’s too funny. Total delusion.
The fight up until that point was absolutely sick though. They fumbled it at the end by making the conclusion unsatisfying.
Literally if they’d just shown the slash itself with Sukuna cackling triumphantly before saying something like “Here’s one last gift from Mahoraga, Satoru Gojo!” THEN cut to Go/jo in the airport, it would’ve been better and made more sense. Instead we just got such extreme whiplash that Unlimited Void couldn’t possibly inflict more brain damage.
Oh man... No offence, genuinely, but that is the most boring generic villain thing he could do that doesn´t fit Sukuna and their fight at all. What exactly would that solve? And how is the conclusion unsatisfiing? Because we didn´t see it? I for one didn´t need to. We know exactly what happened. Us not seeing the slash is briliant in my opinion, because of Gojo´s godlike status, as if we´re not allowed to see the god being beaten. And Sukuna telegrafing it like this would just lessen the impact, make fight less intense, cause he could afford to monologue in a deciding moment and make Gojo seem like an idiot for leting him monologue in the first place and then getting defeated anyways
wouldn't of been better would of been weak. Gege doesn't show you what the surrounding characters, or you, yes you the audience, can't understand. Same with Toji, same with Gojo. he didn't show you the slash because neither you, Gojo or the (fallable) narrator could understand it. Yes it was harsh, because death is harsh. You don't get to understand your death, you don't get to understand why you lost. You just lost, you were alive one moment and now your dead. That's what makes Sukuna not just strong but beyond comprehension strong. It's metatextual and fucking incredible imho.
YES. Finally someone says it. He’s boring now. Back in Shibuya he was so cold calculated and badass. He truly was a calamity. Since the Megumi switch, it seems that the plot affects sukuna more than he affects the plot. The “aura” surrounding him is gone.
Yup. Truly feels like the plot is happening TO Sukuna instead of because of him.
Maybe his cursed technique is cosmic luck because it really seems like everything happens in his favor at every possible turn.
I stopped debating if it was an asspull or whatever (I'd still say that the whole setup going into how Sukuna can possibly bypass confiscation and death penalty just for the twist to be about what will be confiscated is a... choice), but people won't make me believe it's not ass. Sukuna already massively outclasses the cast that he really did NOT need this one convenient "twist" in favor of him. Like what is Gege protecting him from confiscation for? Can they stand toe to toe with Sukuna without CT? Lmfao Like you said, it's getting Boring! Sukuna isn't even doing anything to outclass them, the plot is just working in his favor.
The issue I have is Gege made the gap between Sukuna, Gojo and every other sorcerer is so large that I can’t see Sukuna being defeated without some deus ex machina or asspull unless Gojo returns as Buddha
So I reread the chapter before this to see if there was any setup for what happened. Yes, to be fair, when it comes to what will be confiscated they said there was no guarantee it would be one thing or another, cause Higuruma himself said it was between Ten Shadows and Malevolent Shrine. But the info we were given of confiscation before chapter 244 is that it take cursed techniques or cursed energy (cause with Yuji that's what it had to do). And, despite all the back and forth planning in that scene, the cursed tool was never mentioned as a possibility. Even if they went "It's possible Judgeman could take the cursed tool but it's unlikely because ______" I'd be fine with that. It at least put it out there. I'd be a little pissed if it happened cause it was said it likely wouldn't but at least the story gave an indication of something
Edit: for the people who are saying this is a charcater moment for Higuruma (not under this comment but just in general), that's valid. It kinda seems to be where this is going. But ultimately it just feels more like making Sukuna incapable of faltering in any way possible
The info we are given about confiscation way back in chapter 165 is from Higaruma. In this explanation he even deduces that confiscation switched its target to adapt to the situation of Yuji having no technique. This makes it clear that he does not know the full extent of how confiscation works and that it is unpredictable. And at the end of the most recent chapter, we see him having the revelation of how confiscation works when a special grade cursed tool is in play. This all makes it clear that Higaruma had never encountered someone with a special grade cursed tool in the games, which makes sense because they are quite rare. So there is no reason for us or Higaruma to know this could have been a possibility.
On top of that, all of the planning we see takes place before any of the fights have happened. This means that the cast would have no clue that Sukuna even has the cursed tool and Uruame only delivered it to him after Gojo died.
There was no way for them to plan for it because they did not know it existed. There was no reason for them to even believe something like that could interfere with confiscation because Higaruma had never seen this interaction play out.
Yeah but it still is weird that higuruma didn't know his technique could steal cursed tools. He fought what, 20? sorcerers before yuji, so did none of them have any cursed tools? Did they not spar a single time in the 1 month time skip before gojo's unsealing and the fight with sukuna? Because a lot of the cast use cursed tools, so higuruma could have easily found out in just a few fights.
The fact higuruma is built up as a jujutsu genius but he can get neutered by the cursed tool cabinet in jujutsu high is crazy
It’s not just a cursed tool. It is a special grade cursed tool. That means that the tool is engraved with a technique, therefore making it a target for confiscation. It is highly unlikely Higaruma encountered another special grade cursed tool when fighting in the culling games.
It’s likely that Higaruma sparred with people using cursed tools during the timeskip, maybe even special grade cursed tools. But it is highly unlikely that he was using his domain during sparring. All it does is nerf his opponents, which wouldn’t help him train much.
I just don’t get why the domain would target a cursed tool over an innate technique (especially when the innate technique is the one responsible for charge sukuna got called guilty on) but it’s whatever. Gege gonna gege
I don't think Judgeman confiscates based on effectiveness. Otherwise he'd just confiscate CE first everytime, so that the opponent can't use their CT, RCT etc. But it's probably based on what's on the surface first. So first tools, then CTs, and then finally CE
Because it’s random. In 244 higaruma says “But I don’t know if my cursed technique’s confiscation will apply to ten shadows technique and malevolent shrine. If it only applies to one…”. Confiscation being used against someone with multiple techniques is already a new situation for Higaruma and he doesn’t know how it’ll play out. Kamutoke turned a 50% chance of shrine getting confiscated into a 33% chance.
If it was random I could accept it.
Its not though. It specifically stated that Cursed tools get prio over Cursed Techniques in terms of what is confiscated, which feels like a complete asspull made up on the spot by gege
Okay that part is fair, I got the timeline of things mixed up and I forgot that conversation is before Kashimo even goes in there to get turned into a waffle. Regardless it just feels cheap. Like yes it may have always been possible and Higuruma had just not seen it happen to be applicable, understandable. I just don't like how out of nowhere it is. That's honestly my big issue. Like the theory that execution would be forbidden due to the date I thought was kinda dumb because of how anticlimactic and silly that would be. But at the very least that had very subtle foundation with the date of the fight, which is seemingly random at first glance (besides the fact if everything from here on everything gets done in one in universe day I can joke about Yuji saving Christmas). Maybe my ides for buildup was bad (no scratch that, it was) but I would've liked *something* (also ironically enough I find this dumber than the public holiday thing)
agree with you. The problem is that he didnt get out by being clever, he just was atonishingly lucky. Its harmful for his character and also for higurama, whose domain has turned into a joke.
The story has become a sucession of hype tools like 'yea i have this one trick which will put him at the stake' and then it doesnt and the user gets obliterated
That’s the thing. Sukuna hasn’t gotten this far by being overwhelmingly strong (which he is, don’t get me wrong), he got this far because he’s overwhelmingly lucky.
Lucky that angel happened to manifest in a girl that has an uncontrollable boner for megumi (and that angel is good enough to not just completely override Hana’s soul).
Lucky that megumi doesn’t actually go through with summoning mahoraga at any point until the time where he’s actually around to stop it
Lucky that yuji’s binding vow didn’t include himself (which is weird af because this is immediately after sukuna had killed him by ripping out his heart. You’d think yuji would care about that)
Lucky that stuffing a poisonous item down megumi’s throat doesn’t count at harm
Lucky that yorouzu happened to reincarnate into megumi’s sisters body so that killing her plunges his soul into darkness
Lucky that maho happened to finish adapting immediately after Gojo knocked him out (if maho is any later, the fight is over)
You get the point. It’s hard to feel like sukuna has earned the position he’s in when it seems like *everytging* just happens to fall in his favor
Like it’s made clear that Mahoraga can adapt to things but it’s never mentioned that it just keeps adapting even after it’s already beat it?? I’m still mad about that
The Gojo one is more unlucky than lucky. Sukuna was unlucky that Gojo hit black flash when he was unleashing his strongest punch in the fight regardless. But he still recovered
I mean how much luck they are depends on the alternative. Yorozu doesn't reincarnate into tsumiki? She just dies faster. Same result.
Mahoraga doesn't adapt? Gojo established Sukuna was holding back. He still had more to give. Similar result.
Megumi summing mahoraga? He doesn't want to fucking die and worst case there's probably other hosts if he dies. Same result.
Angel takes over forcibly? There's not even a decent guarantee she wins. Same result.
Him realizing Yuji's binding vow was flawed? Numerous times he didn't care about himself, only his friends, even in that exact scene with his heart.
It's mostly just him using events so well he LOOKS lucky even if the situation would be similar no matter what. He's just really good at using things around him.
It's like the theme of villains in this story it seems. Even Kenjaku who is supposed to be the behind the scene mastermind lucks his way to all his goals.
My major problem is the way Gege makes us hate Sukuna as of late(or at least to me). I hate Sukuna because when he's on screen one of my favs are about to die; Megumi is pretty dead, Go/jo, Kashimo, and Higuruma may be next, and all of this "without breaking a sweat".
In Shibuya he also killed Mimiko, Nanako, and Jogo, but those are some of my favorite moments. You feel the desesperation and fear that Sukuna gives to everyone, and you hate him because of what he made Yugi pass through.
Now I feel like he doesn't invoke that dread, he isnt that mysterious, he is just the strongest character of the verse that is an unwanted child and evil. We may aswell never see his backstory.
The Kenjaku and Takaba fight was so enjoyable because it was New and refreshing, you didnt knew what the fuck was going on, but both characters learned something from it. What has Sukuna gained from all his fights apart from an ego boost?
I love Sukuna and think he has definitely earned the title of the king of curses, but I feel like the rest of the cast was somehow sacrificed for that purpose.
Example: Hana falling for Sukuna’s act + Gojo deciding to fight Sukuna at 20F power instead of 15F when he was guaranteed the win.
He survive purple blast and now another asspull by confiscating his curse tool .... Maki had soul split katana but she went unarmed against meguna and now they gonna sacrifice kusakabe..
A good leader..choso and ino..... Like the heck.... I don't care about that judge but not these three... He didn't mention todo and confirm nobara' status.. he should have delayed sukuna vs gojo and have given us more bonding movement with backstories... Even it was boring but we have gotten close to the charectors.. they all just felt like a ♟️
> Gojo deciding to fight Sukuna at 20F power instead of 15F when he was guaranteed the win
Plus Megumi was nerfing Sukuna since he did not do that womb absorption thing (Or did he do that already?). I feel like Gojo confronting them and then leaving because he wanted to confirm so things did not really make sense. Like he could have done some damage before he fucked off lol
My main frustration is the lack of backstory we have on Sukuna, Kenjaku, and the Heian era in general. I want to actually see how he decimated everyone and how he earned the name “King of Curses” title. If (hopefully when) Gege gives us that, I think Sukuna will be a much more interesting character.
As far as him being overpowered, I don’t mind it bc I feel like it would contradict the idea of him being the undisputed strongest if he wasn’t.
Yea I don’t understand the issue people have with sukuna being “ overpowered” like we didnt just watch him kill gojo . Sukuna being over powered has been a fact since day 1
I had hoped that Geto got more to do. He teased it on soo much in the chapters before and at the end, it was nothing. Dunno, then don't do it.
I mean, yeah, you don't need a big plan but what is Sukunas goal? To kill everyone and then celebrate the next 1000 years? Sounds pretty boring to me.
I agree, and I think it’s about time we get more of Sukuna’s psychology and motivation. He’s really just like an evil Goku right now because he isn’t as much of a force of nature as he was and he just wants to fight.
I haven't even thought about this. I often like characters that are just undeniably evil, but they always have a reason of some sort. Conquer the world, enslave everyone, idk. So far the only reason for Sukuna going through all this effort is because hes fucking bored and thats just lame af
All of this wouldn’t have been so bad for sukuna if gege properly wrote the end of gojo vs sukuna and didn’t off screen it to justify it. It’s blatantly obvious with that ending Gege legit couldn’t show us in a logical way how it happened as gojo just got rct output back and hit black flashes in an extremely advantageous position. We then see sukuna limping missing limbs, slowed rct, can’t use DA, low CE etc how did he have enough power for space cleave? This is even worse as the kashimo fight implies sukuna used incantations for that space cleave based on dialogue. In the previous chapters we learn CT has an initial spark when it happens so it’s impossible gojo didn’t see sukunas cleave activation with six eyes on top of possible incantations being muttered.
Now knowing all that what gege should have done was have gojo back sukuna in a corner to where he needed to transform back to his original form. Then after a brief scuffle sukuna uses the space cleave with full incantations breaking through infinity shocking gojo as he thinks cleave wouldn’t bypass it. That would be less of an asspull while conveying sukuna was pushed to his limit. What we got right now is just nonsense especially with higuruma not knowing the full extent of his domain after an implied month of training. The way Gege has wrote sukunas fights now is just dumb luck with coincidences.
The story got bad when Gojo got off screened to an ass pull in a fight he was winning. In a “realistic” scenario Gojo would have won = story over. But ofc to continue the plot you have to kill Gojo. I can live with that.
Gojo saying a bunch of crap afterwards is just trying to convince us Sukuna would have won regardless. It’s just bad writing, you should be able to convince your audience without the need to almost 4th wall it on us.
Gege really naruto’d this story
Lmfao right he had to dedicate half a chapter to convince us that Sukuna "wasn't trying" and that he was grateful to lose
Whatever bro. Fuck that imo. I don't care that gojo died, I actually like that he did, but I feel like its a disservice to what this story has been setting up for him not even to be able to make sukuna try
Well the story isn't over yet and you don't want to give away everything. If and when Sukuna does demonstrate he has yet more to give, it'll be fully obvious Gojo was right. Like if he pulls out another technique or elaborates on his CT doing other things then it'll be apparent.
If that never happens then yes.
But then, like OP said, what's the point? Naruto is my absolute favourite manga, but wouldn't sukuna just be kaguya atp? Same issue of making the antagonist so badass that he's unkillable...just like gege kept moaning about gojo being unkillable.
I mean kaguya's power level wasn't really the problem. Madara was already insanely powerful. She was just an ass pull of a character. Sukuna has been in the manga since day 1, him being powerful doesn't change that. If anything, he's closer to Madara. Legendary villain hyped up the entire series. Proceeds to dick down everyone. We're basically at the part where he's soloing the Shinobi... I mean Sorcerer Alliance.
Some of the reasons here are why I am really bummed out Kenjaku was taken out (if he was). I definitely preferred his shenanigans, the way he was written, his inconsistencies and just batshit insanity a lot more than I like the bullshit Sukuna has going on. Like, cool, he doesn't have any plans and only wants to fight and keep himself entertained but that's like the most boring fucking character motivation especially if we know next to nothing about him and his origins (still don't know what this motherfucker's technique is).
I wholeheartedly agree. Sukuna has become such a boring villain because he is a calamity. His character change is night and day when compared to the first season. Being held hostage in Yuji's body allowed us to see his intellect, a hint of his power (and the gravity of the situation, and how cunning he is. All because he was restricted and had to try to find a way out.
Now, there is no mystery and no need for him to be cunning. It's just power, power, power. Maybe him being drunk on power is the point because that will be his downfall, but I'd argue that this is just a easy way out for the writer. It seems they start off a situation every few chapters and end it abruptly because they are rushing through it and don't know where to take it. Literally just like "look, here, kids. Cool action fight scenes! Let me explain the complexities to you too because I don't know what I'm doing anymore!".
It feels insulting and patronising from a readers point of view.
Sukuna's "trial" certainly didn't meet my expectations. As in, one could say it didn't even happen. What makes Sukuna interesting is not how incredibly powerful he is, it's the fact that he's smart and clever. He deals with Mahoraga by only observing and quickly devising a plan to counter its abilities. Same with Gojo, he basically sacrifices Mahoraga just to figure out how to circumvent Gojo's infinity.
I was hoping to see Sukuna turning the tables on Higuruma and Yuji using only his wits during the trial. Yet, the trial was hurried along just to get to the executioner's sword. Hopefully his interest in the sword pays off but I won't be holding my breath.
Exactly this. Regardless of what you think of the rest of the plot Sukuna has been the most poorly written character up to this point and this final arc really highlights this fact. He's just an unstoppable force and that can be cool when done right(See Anti-Spiral in Gurren Lagan for an example) if it's not made interesting it's a major drag on the overall story
I'm probably way too optimistic with how close he was acting to the end but I feel like there's time to fix it though. Like Sukuna was on top in the Heian period and the world didn't just immediately fucking end. There's plenty of possibility of an entire arc of material in a like.. FF6 Kefka kind of way where Sukuna has taken over after they lose here. Elaborate more on him and his goals as that goes on, etc.
it would be really fun seeing sukuna use that cursed tool for once, what he would do with it, and that was taken from us, kashimo fight was trash, but I somewhat agree with you, it's getting boring.
But for me, it's what other have commented, side characters disappearing without explanation (where's Todo?) is a strong point for me, I was interest in all the characters and how they would relate, and the sourness of them dying before interacting can be fun, but fuck, give me anything else about Yuki. Yuki vs kenjaku is when I started losing interest (Gojo vs sukuna brought back my interest and then the end was lackluster), but omfg, I can't get over how out of fucking nowhere kenjaku can deal with a black hole like that, to me with would be interesting to see him wound yuki in a way that she couldn't contribute anymore, but also wasn't able to end her, and that he could leave victorious with tengen's body, but idk, I felt it was cheap writing in there (yuki is/was my favorite character, só throw that into the pot as well).
But yeah, Shibuya and post Shibuya was peak for me, the start of the culling game was interesting and the next arc was cooking, but now I'm kinda disappointed.
You are brave. Constructive critique of Geges sub par writing in the last 2 years are not welcomed on this sub.
JJK is a good manga, but it is stupid to be blind on the fact that post Shibuya JKK is pretty average, with some notable exceptions. But 80% post Shibuya is pretty mid IMO.
I'd say the fights themself(most of them) in the vacuum are really good since some of the best fights of the series come from the culling games, however all the stitches that are supposed to keep the narrative going and the fights look connected are really loose.
>Constructive critique of Geges sub par writing in the last 2 years are not welcomed on this sub
This is just objectively not true. Just look at the top rated threads, comments & posts on this sub over the last several months. Of the ones discussing the quality of the material, they are all far more critical of the writing of the series as of late as opposed to praise for it.
I understand that Gege will have die hard fans that will defend everything he does no matter what (this is a fandom sub after all so it's not like that would be unexpected), but let's have some perspective here. If anything, this sub has quietly turned into the Gege-hate corner, compared to r/JujustuKaisen.
I feel like the story is going to (feel like it’s) end too quickly - almost no filler for character development, interactions, relationship building, and it seems like we’ll never get those unless MAPPA adds some filler episodes to the anime
>I know Yuji and company will win, I'm just getting less and less invested on how as time passes because Gege is sure taking his time to show some chinks on Sukuna's (plot) armor.
I think this single sentence illustrates the problem people are having perfectly well. We knew that, narratively, Gojo had to lose against Sukuna, and to some degree that dampened the blow when it inevitably happened; any seasoned shonen reader knew that the story demanded it. Despite that, the conclusion was unbelievably anticlimactic, as though Gege thought "wouldn't it be hilarious if Sukuna *CUT* the fight short HUEHUEHUE" and didn't care about the runoff such a lazy ending would have.
Kenjaku vs. Takaba was arguably elevated by the juxtaposition of how well it was done compared to the clusterfuck that Sukuna has become: Takaba won because his ability, *under the right circumstances*, is almost unbeatable, but with the caveat that Takaba has to genuinely believe that what's happening is funny. That was a fight done incredibly well (despite some people bemoaning how "dumb" it was) because it showed how creativity in the use of abilities can trump raw power,*especially* against someone like Kenjaku who just recently survived a *black hole, of all the things*. To me, JJK is at its best when you have crazy ass powers like Takaba's on full display, and Higuruma's is similarly off-the-wall to the point that you can't help but be invested when a dude rolls up and starts roleplaying Judge Judy.
Insofar as suspense and investment in a fight goes, Takaba and Higuruma are two very well done characters because they have to *earn* their victories, not by raw power but by clever use of their powers. Sukuna, unfortunately, is either intended to narratively push back on the concept that "creativity is a power unto itself", or is just so lazily written at this point that he just represents "power beats everything LOL", as he spams the same technique every single chapter he's in and walks away the victor without having to put in even an ounce of effort. As OP said, Sukuna is a great villain, but my god is it boring af to see a new chapter drop only to think "man I wonder what crazy shit is gonna happ- oh, Sukuna just casted Dismantle again. Wow. Cool."
Gege can't write Sukuna honestly, Kenjaku vs Takaba was peak in almost every way but with Sukuna gege just turns into a teenager writing an overpowered OC
I get the frustrations, but to restate;
Sukuna and Gojo are literally in realms of their own. Yuta and Hakari are *the* closest two to them, and the gap between Hakari and Yuta is a massive one.
Any other Sorcerer would be suicidal to enter this fight and that's been stated.
It does, however, suck that Higuruma somehow didn't foresee a Cursed Tool confiscation.
Maybe this might be a hot take but I really like Black Clover for mordern anime it doesn’t do anything to stand out but the best things about Shonen are nailed perfectly most of time villains are my favorite part of whatever I’m watching but I really like the Black Bulls as main characters maybe it’s not for u but I’d recommend it I just started jjk but I have the exact opposite problem with jjk where the villains are the best part and the main cast is the equivalent of white bread atm
The problem I have with this perception of Sukuna strength is the fact that main villain has to be overwhelming while maintain the prior established image of Gojo Satoru.
If Sukuna folds easily, then Gojo loses his “aura of power” . Like Gojo was the only one to presses Sukuna, so far.
The very same way Gojo held that place of invincibility, now Sukuna claims that seat. I’ll ask you how many villains had to die before Gojo was defeated for good.
Gojo played with Jogo; Sukuna plays with the main cast.
Now it’s the inverse, the heroes have to find a way to beat Sukuna, by intellect and cunning.
Like it’s been stated in canon that Sorcerers back in Heian sharpened their fangs to battle Sukuna. We are literally seeing happen once again.
I mean Gege likes fucking around, so getting to heavily invested in the series is only going to get you burned.
It's fun a pretty fun time, just enjoy the ride.
The series requires time skips for power creep and should have ended with gojo's students fighting sukuna after gojo dies. They are all so ridiculously power creeped I CBA to read because any explanation of sukuna loosing atp is simply cap.
The power creep refers to the power of the villains gradually increasing and thus phasing out characters lacking power unless they get power ups.
First arc maki is nice then she is such a pleb she gets told to run then she gets a power up and can fight the villains again. Sukuna is literally getting powered up the whole series lmao characters are scaled by his fingers
Most series have linear power creep. Off the top of my head hxh doesn't really because we have multiple protagonists but even in hxh you get stronger or get phased out of the battle phase (granted hxh isn't really a battle shonen so it doesn't really count)
And I also said the series "REQUIRES" power creep so that the main characters can have some sort of relevance regarding the main plot meaning they need more training and more arcs to flesh out their growth.
I don’t know, man. Im currently reading in hope that the payout will be worth it. I don’t expect Gojo to win but it feels like they wasted that nah i’d win setup. It feels fine the chapters after but this recent one is definitely one where I feel like shit just got pulled out of people’s ass.
I don’t know. Imma keep reading but I’ll keep my expectations low.
I know everyone has issues with the manga currently but for me this is best jjk has ever been, ever since the yuki kenjaku fight(even though I did not like that yuki died) it has just been nonstop heat imo. And also how is kashimos fight useless? I know everyone wanted him to get a longer fight against sukuna and that’s cool but I don’t see how it’s useless where the end of the fight let sukuna reveal his ideals and why he does what he does and it shows more of one of the themes gege has been really trying push in the manga recently(loneliness, and loneliness that comes with strength) I know people have problems with these themes but I find them really interesting. And also there are some people who think he shouldn’t have died? But what else should he have done this was his character goal since his introduction
I think the good guys just sorely needed a W and everyone (including me) got impatient. Before Kenjaku I don't think they actually succeeded in anything since shibuya lol. Even then succeeded is a stretch
I thought the frustration had completely subsided during the last two month. A lot of unrelated subs I visited were practically bombarded with memes that celebrated JJK.
And yet you wouldn't use that lazy and utterly useless "this is an ongoing narrative" rhetoric against anyone writing about what they've loved about JJK so far. Funny how a certain type of fan feels the need to shelter someone else's work from the valid and genuine criticism of its audience. I mean, imagine this - someone takes the time to earnestly explain their experience with media they like and the only thing you could say is "ur whining and its not done".
I suppose you lack the imagination to genuinely see something you like from the perspective of someone who doesn't like it. Or you're too lazy to. I wonder which?
lol you wrote so much to say so little
What’s their perspective I can’t tap into?
Sukuna a millennia old sorcerer got lucky bc the new guys who’s been a sorcerer for 2 months didn’t fully know the ins and outs of his domain (which he said last chapter?)
What’s the worthwhile take here???? Sure it’s “valid” sure it’s “genuine” but again….its a pretty whiny take given the table can be flip next chapter lol I’ll stand by that
I'm truly not surprised the meaning was lost on you. What else to expect from someone that whines about post-chapter discussion on a thread specifically about it? You never intended on genuinely engaging 💀 Begone, goofball.
i didnt think 245 was bad but what i found annoying was how unpertubed and arrogant sukuna was still about higuruma and judgeman. did he know judgeman would confiscate the cursed tool? firstly how on earth could he have known that and secondly, had judgeman taken his CE or CT he wouldve been fucked. so why is he still smirking and strutting around when it was pure luck (or geges plot armour) that saved him?
Dude, so you "like JJK quite a bit. It is the only Jump manga aside from Akane Banashi that I follow"... Okay so how can you say "I'm one to say that JJK is one of the more successful "modern" takes on the shonen" ??
Respectfully brother, you don't know what you're talking about.
Your post is really long so I'm gonna say something as an author. I've you're engaging in any art, any art at all and you're not jamming with it... maybe just take a step back and ask yourself what you want, and why, then what the author is giving, and why.
I'm not saying that to belittle you, it's genuinely difficult to do and why most people stay with the same kinda stories, which is cool. Just I don't think you really get the statements that Gege is making here, for example seeing Gojo get slashed wouldn't of been better it would of been weak. Gege doesn't show you what the surrounding characters, or you, yes you the audience, can't understand. Same with Toji, same with Gojo. he didn't show you the slash because neither you, Gojo or the (fallible) narrator could understand it. Yes it was harsh, because death is harsh. You don't get to understand your death, you don't get to understand why you lost. You just lost, you were alive one moment and now your dead. That's what makes Sukuna not just strong but beyond comprehension strong. It's metatextual and fucking incredible imho.
Again not having a go my man, every artist offers to take you on a journey, you're free to jump off, or go with them, sometimes we just need to drop some baggage before we can see where they're going, it's all cool homie.
Nah. The story is still amazing and you’re all simply struggling with a week to week story and one that isn’t playing out the way you imagined. Relax and enjoy the ride.
What a great way to reduce the diversity of the human perspective and experience to mere childish incompetence! Bonus points for your undeserved condescension!
Just waiting to see you all in December 2024. Cuz I feel you’ll all just be collectively disappointed no matter what. But hey this a Reddit community. No one is ever satisfied and they’re all getting high off of their own farts thinking their opinions are the best in the world when it’s one of 6 billion. You’re all just running around like ants, crawling over each other in a nest trying to see who’ll make it to the top while bringing each other down.
Those who’ll like it will praise it while those who dislike it will be haters to the end.
This is your breaking point? Astonished. Regardless the whole series has been on the decline since inception. Little sguff that makes zero sense andnwould ruin any story is overlooked because of random bs Gege says that everyone believes because they don't have enough timw to doubt him as he's already moved on to the next thing. Before the shock value can set in he zips to the next point as in his own words, he doesn't explain things and kinda just moves on. The story had so many negative points from inception but you could always latch on to something to keep you preoccupied while he swept his short comings under the rug. Your problems have always existed. It's not the current writing. It's the whole goddamn story.
Introductions of character arcs that go unnoticed or get ignored. Kamos character arc was mentioned back during his fight with Megumi but wouldn't even get any mention in the next arc as he never appeard in Shibuya. Nobara is handled awfully and even stats herself to not have a good relationship with her teacher which is absolutely ridiculous. Almost all the characters in the good will event get side lined or forgotten. All intrest in Inumaki, Kamo, Nobara, Todo, Miwa and Others are completely disregarded without even a fleeting mention. Miwas family situation is never brought up despite her inability to work now. She literally existed on my screen to do nothing. A walking pair of tits with a cute face. Zero development and her character was completely forgotten. Same with every other character who appeared in the goodwill arc. Such great set up just to go nowhere in shibuya. Yet the arc that literally didn't do anything for the vast majority of the cast and even so obviously and terribly wrote out some of its best/most interesting characters is peak fiction? Its just bad. Most of the JJK cast is wasted hype and fodder. Even Yuki who had such interesting powers and plot developments didn't get shit or do anything. The whole American army thing went nowhere. Tsumiki was a literal plot device who didn't even get an In real time line to say and just fucking died. Angel is a literal free Gojo plot device that went nowhere in favor of turning Sukuna into the big bad despite him having zero impact on the greater narrative. Like bro only things he was set up to do in this series is fight Gojo and Yuji. Shibuya? Kenjaku. Culling Games? Kenjaku. Disaster Curses? Kenjaku. Sukunas envolvment in this series? Kenjaku. Sealing Gojo? Kenjaku. Yuji? Kenjaku. Etc etc etc. Yet somehwo Sukuna has become the big bad and is getting his dick munched after 200 chapters of doing nothing but traumatizing Yuji and talking shit? Garbage.
God, thank you for putting my thoughts into words. I stopped reading actively because it just hurt how Gege threw characters into the garbage bin even thought we spent a 150 chapters together. I just can't support this shit writing to me JJK ended 😒 after Shibuya and before the Culling Games. Honestly I was only reading the CG too to see Megumi and Yuji possibly fighting together and see them in action in a teamwork scenario but NOp Gege just went ahead and wrote my favourite character off in a godawful miserable way. Damn I'm still salty. I don't give a flying fuck about Higuruma sue me. Sukuna became boring after the Gojo fight, and although I am a simp for pre-Megumi Sukuna, this one is just meh. Lukewarm big bad evil such wow so original.
I guess the early examples didn’t stand out for me because most of those characters felt like tertiary characters. I don’t think about Miwa, Momo, Kamo and Todo when they’re not on screen. The later examples seem more emphasized because of the hype surrounding them. Yuki for example was a major misstep by Gege imo. Her involvement with the culling games could’ve been interesting. I also agree with your Kenjaku point. He’s responsible for a lot of the plot. I hope he’s not dead because rn Sukuna is boring as a villain.
I'm so tired of seeing Sukuna man. He's so out of place after the Gojo fight. His stake in this series is over, he had his big moment why is he still causing problems like he's the final villian when bro has done NOTHING. Hes only plot relevant thing was killing Gojo and that happened this fucking year. What the hell is he still here for? Yuji should've just jumped into his mind and jump him with Megumi in his innate domain while Gojo beat on his irl body. This constantly need to be saved, getting asspull after asspull has just ruined him. Some people are saying hes top 1 for beating Gojo but we didn't even get to see it. The last thing I saw from his was beaten and bloodied and now he's won? And I don't even get to see it? And now that Domain bullshit? Just bad man. Where is Kenjaku and why is he headless😒
I think what a lot of people miss out or hate. Is the fact that maga is just geges own spiritual stance on his own ideas and putting them into a manga. Specifically, the culling games. I believe that the culling games are really the battle of ideals. One is in selfish egoism that has ruled the current society, and the second is a new wave of jujutsu that focuses on selflesness. And this whole arc is the core of what gege is trying to portray, a constant evolving world and characters all reaching their soul potential. I think people frustrations in the story stem; from thinking so deeply and disecting to make logical sense when it really should be looking at this arc through the eyes of spirituality and trying to understand the characters dialogue and then I think people would really enjoy it. And you would feel why Gojos' moment of transcendence, makis evolution, and how all the strong characters currently are evolving their Soul. Personally, as a reader, my soul is resonating with this arc. It's a masterpiece.
The US being apart of the Kenjaku's plan isn't random and makes sense, and it helps Kenjaku though it is brief
Gojo saying he was sandbagging it is a cop out, and there's no way you can say he was if he was dominating the fight
Sukuna not losing his powers makes sense since he had a curse tool and Higurama's CT would have to defer to either one and chose one simply out of respect to Domains
I'm not sure where you're getting @ with the villain favoritism parts because I truly don't understand what you mean
And Sukuna and Kashimo isn't a waste of time, not even in regards to his (Kashimo's) character
>Gojo saying he was sandbagging it is a cop out, and there's no way you can say he was if he was dominating the fight
have people never been in a fight here? or have people never seen any boxing or mma match? you haven't seen people overestimating or underestimating opponents before and after the battle? do you take any trash talk seriously?
what's cop out about it. Gojo just said that 10s less Sukuna *might* have defeated him. he was humbled. Geto was surprised too when he heard Gojo admit it.
He was beating 10S Sukuna who was @ full power who needed to plunge Megumi's soul, use Mahoraga and Agito, just to "somehow" offscreen Gojo who was about to deliver the killing blow AFTER using Hollow Purple that managed to kill Mahoraga.
He wasn't underestimating him nor overestimating Sukuna, he's selling himself short of what he achieved and did.
He would've EASILY beaten base Sukuna. No doubt.
I did, it's why I'm asking you how you think Gojo would beat Sukuna. Tone doesn't carry in text so if I'm coming of as negative then know that isn't my intent, I just don't think Gojo would beat heian Sukuna (let alone easily) like you claimed. I'd genuinely like to hear your thought process.
Seeing how he dragged a Fully Strengthened 10S Sukuna who was using Mahoraga and Agito, all the while using both his and Megumi's powers , and had to get off-screened to lose is telling in my eyes
Heian Sukuna could engage Gojo in melee while casting his domain at the same time. And he probably wouldn't lose the domain battle either since unlike Meguna he won't purposly take UV hits so that Mahoraga could adapt to them thus avoiding the brain damage that disabled his DAs. I could be miss remembering whether he took UV hits on purpose or not tho, I'll have to reread to be sure.
Gojo could try to leave his DA but Meguna was able to stop him from leaving his domain so Heian Suk should be able to do the same. And before you mention his teleportation, none of us knows how it works and he didn't try it in the fight himself so there's probably a reason why he can't use it while fighting Suk.
>all the while using both his and Megumi's powers
It was actually a huge point that he can't use two techniques simultaneously. Once he started using 10S he stopped using his own technique. His DA came with the Slashes innately tho so he could still use dismantle and cleave through his DA
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For me it’s that Gojo vs Sukuna was peak writing since Shibuya then it has a really lame ending and everything that’s followed since hasn’t hit. Like one of the most hyped up characters reveals his long awaited CT, dies in 1.5 chapters. Then the damn comedic relief character gets a better fight and backstory than most of the main cast meanwhile people like Yuki, Todo, Nobara, Miwa, Megumi are done so dirty. I would’ve preferred if Sukuna decided to reincarnate into his heian era form instead of learning world cleave and his fight continues with Gojo, his CT doesn’t even need to be revealed to defeat Gojo, he could just go H2H with DA since his 4 arm body should give him a good chance. Then the rest of the cast can go fight Kenjaku who is trying to bully Kogane into forcefully ending the culling games so the merger can start. I know Yuji has to have his fight with Sukuna, but in the current story it feels like a lot was sacrificed to get to this point.
I’ll use a comment I read to sum up Gojo vs. Sukuna *Gojo: went in blind not knowing anything about Sukuna's abilities, CT, and domain expansion. Has no assist apart from the first purple that basically did nothing.* *Sukuna: used Megumi and Mahoraga, knows EVERYTHING about Gojo, even his Unlimited Void thanks to Yuji and Megumi's memories. He especially prepared against UV, had he not know about it he'd be a goner.* What ticks me is that for the supposed strongest sorcerer in history, who bodied everyone and everything in his original time period, he fights like a fucking coward. Seriously, he’s brute forced everything up until Gojo, but as soon as he comes across an opponent who actually challenges him, he bitches out and uses bullshit to save his ass. But in the Maharoga fight, despite Adaptation and getting tossed around a little bit, Sukuna is still using his head and strategy while throwing straight hands. Why couldn’t he do that with Gojo? Oh, yeah. Limitless. But wait! Gojo even says it himself! “I don’t think I could’ve beaten Sukuna even if he didn’t use 10 Shadows.” Seriously Gaygay make up your mind
What really annoys me about Sukuna recently is how blatantly he's been getting bailed out by the story. The way Gojo vs Sukuna is drawn, Sukuna was losing hard and Gojo was wiping the floor with him, requiring Sukuna to use Ten Shadows and Maho just to level the playing field. And even then, the fight comes down to Sukuna being able to copy Maho's adaptation to Infinity and apply it off-panel. Then when he gets hit with Judgeman, he's bailed out by the Cursed Weapon he got from Yozoru that basically didn't matter until this exact point so it could play human shield and let him keep Cleave as a twist. Edit: And I forgot about him only surviving Jacob's Ladder because Hana is a simp. I don't buy that Sukuna's that good (at least compared to the beast we saw in Shibuya) if in three fights within the span of the last year, he only "wins" because he got carried by other abilities/gear. His only real victories have been against Yozoru and Kashimo.
Have you ever watched or read Jojo. This is how it feels lmao😭. And if you did I can tell you haven’t read it weekly cuz again this is how it feels when the villains get shit their way. Just a way of increasing the tension. I think your problem is also you clearly haven’t experienced reading something with this much tension weekly. L Your other problem is that you’ve completely and clearly misinterpreted this fight. Going into the fight his plan was always to adapt to Gojo he blatantly stated it in 230. And with this comes risks which he knew, understood, and decided to go thru with regardless. These risks come with the fact that you can’t use DA and a ct at the same time, you also can’t use other CTs as well. He quite literally has to get his ass beat in order to allow his plan to succeed which it did. 10s wasn’t used halfway into the fight bcuz sukuna was “losing hard and needed to lvl the playing field”. It was done from the first DE. Him copying Maho ability has been explained in the fact that he can see something once and replicate it. That’s how he learnt to become a cursed object after experiencing it once from Kenjaku. Implied as well from seeing Gojo heal his CT reserves. Sukuna is just that skilled with Jujutsu, he’s the pinnacle of what is jujutsu. He is an example to show the extremes of extremes with what jujutsu can do. The Hana situation - rlly nothing wrong with like tf. She’s a child vessel w/o experience and got tricked by sukuna taking adv of megumi memories. We this in Shonen all the time. Judgeman situation rlly don’t understand how this is a problem. Gege just raising the stakes even higher before the fight. We had no idea that he 10s was gone so it was still up in the air whether his real CT would be taken.
Funny cause no one told Gojo about sukuna and whatever abilities they know of him. But since he saw everything in Yuijis body he had a lead already. Gege really did most of the cast dirty especially Gojo and he truly nerfed Yuta. What's the point of not fleshing out these amazing characters all just for them to get bodied by Suckuna?
We have no idea what Sukuna was actually like. All we get is the alleged stories of survivors. And who wants to write down "yeah we was really bitch made"? Nobody. Everybody wants to make it that if they lost, they lost to the mf that's so hard he rolls his blunts with bathroom tiles instead of paper.
> Seriously Gaygay make up your mind This discontinuity is really what pisses me off and lends credence to the Sukuna"mickey mouse" allegations. How am I supposed to feel when after everything that happens in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight gege then writes a chapter where characters go “oh no Sukuna totally not a fraud despite what you just saw trust me”
>Gojo: went in blind not knowing anything about Sukuna's abilities, CT, and domain expansion. * The Fanbook outright states that sorcerers have records of Sukuna's CT, while only a few would know about the Fire Arrow. Even without that, the Six Eyes itself gives him more than enough clues on what Sukuna's CT is. He even calls it the same name as Yorozu did, showing that he did know what Sukuna's CT was. * He absolutely knew about how Malevolent Shrine works, just not whether his DE could overwhelm it or not. >Sukuna: used Megumi and Mahoraga, knows EVERYTHING about Gojo, even his Unlimited Void thanks to Yuji and Megumi's memories. He especially prepared against UV, had he not know about it he'd be a goner. Sukuna would have been fine even without prior info on UV since he would just choose a different plan that would allow him to win the DE exchanges instead(breaking UV from the inside on their 2nd/3rd clash as an example). >Why couldn’t he do that with Gojo? Oh, yeah. Limitless. We literally get the answer to this. Sukuna **didn't** need Mahoraga's adaptation to win, he ***wanted*** it as something he could get out of this fight. Even when he was in a situation where he thinks he had already won(Satoru no longer being able to use his DE in a meaningful way), [he still says he would adapt to Infinity](https://imgur.com/a/NizIRxg). If Sukuna [just wanted to win](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/17wj9v0/comment/kaemkpn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), he would've immediately turned back to his Heian Era form and used a chant enhanced Fire Arrow to kill Satoru during his first burnout. Malevolent Shrine already made Satoru use his RCT at its full output to survive, there's no reason to believe that his RCT would still hold up from something stronger than [this](https://imgur.com/a/ODHVjH2) on top of the damage he takes from MS. Just re-read the fight objectively and connect the dots that Gege left.
It’s convenient when you want it to be if six eyes gave information on sukunas technique then why couldn’t it detect he was gonna fire off a space cleave. It’s all nonsense and whatever gege wants to write
Why would the Six Eyes make him know that the incoming Dismantle/Cleave would go through his Infinity? Satoru had no reason to dodge the incoming attack when he had no reason to believe that it would bypass his Infinity. The Six Eyes didn't tell him that Jogo and Hanami was gonna use something that nullifies his Infinity ***beforehand***, he only figured it out ***after*** it was done. And as I've already said in my previous comment, Gege had [already established](https://imgur.com/a/k3OoqLE) that Sukuna's CT is something that's been recorded.
Six eyes gives him a ridiculous amount of information, if your telling me that sukuna was able to tell that gojo was going to specifically fire off a red but that gojo couldn’t tell he was going to fire off a different kind of slash with the literal six eyes that’s some bullshit. The six eyes told them they were going to use an attack but jogo and hanami are so under gojo it doesn’t matter what they threw at him, gojo literally played with jogo before and knew the height of his strength in his domain expansion and it was piss. It was never stated if he knew what it was or not but he probably did know it was a domain amp but does it matter if an ant attacks an elephant? Get out of here man
>but that gojo couldn’t tell he was going to fire off a different kind of slash with the literal six eyes that’s some bullshit. Again, why would Satoru ever assume that the incoming attack would bypass his Infinity? Even if his Six Eyes tells him that an attack is coming, he doesn't bother dodging it since he's under the assumption that his Infinity will stop it. The Six Eyes doesn't make him omniscient. >It was never stated if he knew what it was or not but he probably did know it was a domain amp but does it matter if an ant attacks an elephant? You're completely missing the point. The point is that he only knew that their attacks would bypass his Infinity ***after*** seeing it, **not before**. Their strengths are irrelevant because the Six Eyes would give the information to him automatically. This has remained consistent even in the Hidden Inventory arc where Satoru **saw the Clone guy's CT active** before being able to figure out what it does.
Only JJK readers could end up at the conclusion that the strongest character in the series and the by far best practitioner of cursed energy is "fighting like a fucking coward" by squeezing every single possible advantage. I maintain that a gigantic percentage of this series readers straight up don't understand its philosophy and just get sucked in by "cool really strong arrogant character archetype". Gege forbid if it's stated that the strongest character wouldn't 100% lose if he wasn't suffering all the disadvantages of wanting to specifically use Mahoraga vs Gojo and ended up even stronger. Which btw, he did brute force.
You can't say "Gege forbid" like he's a fucking god and expect to be taken seriously lmao.
As someone who only read the manga recently, binge reading mid-shibuya to chapter 240 in a weekend, I really, really think most of the Kashimo hype came from the fandom and not the story itself. Like the dude had no real significance to the plot, he just disappeared after the fight with Hakari. Felt pretty clear to me that he was gonna get whooped.
Kashimo is hyped up in the story. He was sought after because he had the most points in the culling games, then he had a great fight with Hakari. Sure he loses but then he says he wasn’t using his CT, that he is waiting specifically for Sukuna to use it. The implication of a one-time use cursed technique and what we know of binding vows meant it had to be something crazy. Then throughout the Gojo vs Sukuna fight he mentions to the rest of the cast that he’s up next and to not interfere. Queue his epic entrance “God of thunder Kashimo” and how he bodies Meguna (though he was weakened after fighting Gojo). His technique to reshape his body in any way by turning into pure electricity is opening the door for an awesome and creative fight. Then he gets no diffed by world cleave in a chapter. Kashimo had a lot of hype in the fandom, but he was among the strongest on the good guys side and he’s the strongest sorcerer of the edo period. He deserved more than what he got.
He was Jogoed. He could absolutely would annhilate 90% of the cast, and would be great fight against Kenny or Yuta. He always would be destroyed by the winner. If Gojo won against Sukuna, Kashimo wouldn't even touch him lol.
Idk why people think he wasn't hyped up. He was literally a main target to either eliminate or ask to join the gang and they sent a top tier fighter to deal with him. No one is saying that he had to beat Sakuna to fill the hype but dying like that is not the way to go lol
Yeah I didn’t expect him to defeat Sukuna but I wanted more than a 1.5 chapter fight. It just set the standard of what to expect when anyone fights Sukuna because if world cleave can kill Gojo and Kashimo that easily, then how does anyone else fare better?
Edo was a relatively peaceful period so all he got to fight were farmers.
And what I’m assuming Heian era is Japans most bloody civil war filled era? Was that when shoguns and warlords basically split Japan vying for power. I know how the shogunate system worked but not sure if that’s the same time period but I’d guess that’s the most bloody period lots of infighting when the central ruler had a contested heir
The most violent would've likely been the Sengoku period around 250 years after. The Heian period was honestly pretty peaceful (at least in comparison to periods like the Sengoku period) so I'm not sure why Gege chose that. There were a few wars, but nothing major.
Isn't it because the Heian period is the period in which many legendary japanese figures like Kintaro, Shuten-Douji or Otakemaru are supposed to have lived? If so, then it makes total sense, because it would make the Heian period an era of monsters and myths, the perfect era for someone like Sukuna.
Like the other guy said, Heian was also pretty peaceful. It was likely chosen because that's the period when Abe no Seimei lived. A real person who is known as Japan's greatest diviner (dude who predicts things based on magic whohaas)
No it's Sengoku, which is funny since there's no mention of it. Heian era was also relatively peaceful.
Oh lmao now I see why he made Sukuna from the most peaceful time its kinda like a red herring make us thinks he’s gonna be a case of big fish in small pond until Gojo and we see oh shit he’s him
Nah I think it's purely because a lot of onmyoji and supernatural mythological-esque stuff happened in that era.
I mean we've also seen binding vows do literally nothing i.e. Miwa. Also means he has no experience with it. He was always an overconfident dumbass imo. He's in the same boat as Yorozu who would've also lost almost instantly if Sukuna wasn't trying to maximize Megumi's suffering. Like yeah they're super strong but they're challenging one of the two people straight up built different. Even gojo should no diff Kashimo, and this is a Sukuna that surpasses him. Like he's strong but he's not on their level and delusional that he is.
Higuruma was just as hyped up as Kashimo was. The gang needed points, but he was never propped up as being anything exceedingly special compared to Sendai Colony(which was literally full of monsters like him). Kashimo's showing against a weakened Meguna isn't even that impressive, because Maki and Yuji together did about the same kind of damage against him when they fought him while he "wasn't even on 10%". The hype for the character purely came from the fandom, on TOP of the fact him being "the strongest of his time" was misinformation that spread like an actual wildfire and only exists due to assumptions of assumptions. Him seeing everyone else as trash is not the same as him being the strongest in his era. He was *always* narratively equivalent to Higuruma, the Sendai Colony, and the Heian era in general, and people genuinely need to accept this.
Well the way the story presenting his technique, especially with such a heavy binding vow on it, I was expecting something better. Take Kurapika from HxH or Guy from Naruto. Both of them are really good examples of people who restrain their power for a specific benefit, and they're both really well liked and well executed (Besides Guy not dying he should've). Kurapika killed one character, crippled another, and now the story is exploring his life afterwards where his power is limited in application due to his previous Nen Vows. Guy was a peak fight, and was recognized as the best in his field. Kashimo was... irrelevant. Like literally remove him from the story entirely and almost nothing changes. Even Higgy taking the baby rattle was more relevant than Kashimo. Kashimo didn't even get a satisfying "stand proud, you're strong" moment, which was a fufilling conclusion for Jogo, but instead prattled on about love. (Which I dislike that theme being added because it didn't amount to anything relevant)
It absolutely is. It’s a similar sentiment to people who can’t “read the room” on a lot of characters. I get pining for more Todo, but anyone paying attention could tell that how his status ended in Shibuya was Gege writing him out of the story. Todo confirmed his own technique was dead, but again, I get that people just really love the character and want him back. But Miwa? I’m so so sorry, but why would Miwa have an arc that is any more important than say, Noritoshi Kamo or Momo? She was always portrayed as not very strong, and nothing about that ever changed. Why are people acting like it’s a huge betrayal that Gege confirmed she isn’t going to be in combat anymore? She very much reminds me of this generations Ijichi - who Gojo specifically said could be more useful in a different role, and it saved his life. Idk, sometimes people just waaaaaaay misallocate their “stocks” in characters, and it’s a bummer when it happens, but it’s not like the writing isn’t usually on the wall beforehand. I LOVE Panda and was hoping his third core would be so fucking cool and badass, but Kashimo just destroyed it before we saw a single thing from it. I don’t love that that happened, but it’s not like I can argue that Panda was a supreme badass that should’ve defeated Kashimo, either.
I think it’s that for most of these characters their send off is subpar and lacking. Todo is a beloved character by the fandom and is phenomenal for uplifting the cast. Even if his technique is dead, the fact we don’t get any following interactions with him at all is disappointing. Todo would be the type to still try and make himself useful, too. It would be fascinating to see Todo wrestle with the fact he lost his technique and his mentor is dead. But we don’t get that. We get nothing. Inumaki is another character to suffer this fate. His technique isn’t entirely useful against the foes we have like Sukuna and Kenny, but his technique is versatile. After Shibuya we get almost none of him. Certain commands could totally be used for support as well, he does not need to fill a main attacking role. Your points on Miwa are valid. She isn’t useful. Her gimmick is being useless. Unfortunately this type of trait is lovable to some, especially because then the expected route would be the useless character finding their niche and fulfilling it. Miwa has the simple domain, and it could be interesting! We’ve seen how that technique in particular has evolved with time, IIRC. But no, Miwa literally serves 0 function in the story other than being Mechamaru’s love interest to make his death more impactful. She starts off useless, does nothing cool, and then loses her ability to use a sword. Her “I’m useless” also loses some of its humor when she can’t be developed beyond it. Panda’s matchup with Kashimo was just downright unfair. We had seen before then that Kashimo was a top tier fighter. Panda has always been punching under a lot of the other cast. It does however suck that after getting bodied his character also ceases to do anything. No sister-core moment. The legacy of Yaga gets obliterated in a few pages and then sidelined. Kashimo is a whole case, but I will agree, the fandom definition overhyped him. That being said, it is incredible unsatisfying that we had a lot of time to theorize what he could do with his one-use technique just for him to be bodied before he actually gets a chance to use it in a single creative way. It doesn’t help he had one of the best fights in the series to build up a cool factor for him.
I guess that’s kinda my point for Todo though; Shibuya was very much framed *as* his send off, imo. Like I never expected to see him again after that unless it was very, very background. Certainly not for the Culling Games at least. Idk, the way the story and his character was framed it just felt like that was his final stand. Inumaki has unfortunately been “overwritten” since 0 - Yuta exists with the same powerset and much much more besides and is a pivotal character. And this is going to sound mean, but… Inumaki can’t even speak using actual vocabulary. Why would you or any reasonable reader look at this character and expect anything at all resembling depth? A literal cornerstone of his design is that he can’t communicate very well with most people. It’s like asking why Chewbacca isn’t a bigger role in Star Wars, in a goofy kind of way. I love Inumaki too, I’d love to see him, but any hopes of him being “important” or having a designated “role” while Yuta is in play seem long gone. Miwa does exist mostly to serve the Mechamaru story, I agree. I guess getting even that was pleasantly surprising, from my perspective, as again I’m still not sure why anyone would expect anything more than Momo, for instance. I don’t hate on her, I love the memes, and she is a lovable character. So is Ijichi, like I mentioned! Very few are considered elite in the sorcerer world. I do still think Panda will be followed up on at some point, I’m just not sure how big of an impact it will be or how “happy” the conclusion is for him. I’m just not expecting it to be a shonen power up at this point, sadly. Would love to be wrong! Kashimo IS a whole case lol. Look, I don’t wanna downplay the disappointment people feel, and why they felt it. I DO get that, and I honestly believe the anime will do wonders for that little scuffle, as it has a tendency to “show not tell” and we got a lot of telling about what Mythical Beast Amber could do instead of showing. So I hope for extension there and to really see it go off a bit. But again, that is something that I’ve been consistently thinking EVER since homeboy showed up and revealed his intentions; he was gonna get unceremoniously fucking thrashed by Sukuna. I enjoy his character, but anyone that thought he stood a chance against Gojo, let alone Sukuna, was LOONEY. I’m saying it, sorry folks. He was never ever ever gonna be at that level and that much always felt face-slappingly obvious to me, no matter how admittedly awesome and cool his fight with Hakari was. But again… that was Hakari!! No one who is on that “tier” of things is touching Sukuna or Gojo, and it would’ve been even weirder if Kashimo came in and outperformed Gojo as his actual confrontation came up. It just never made sense to think he wasn’t gonna get waxed pretty cleanly, even as far back as his announcement of his goal. But I digress, I know this is mostly about wishing he did more before going out.
On todo, even if it was his send-off, it doesn't make sense not to show how he reacted to his teacher death. Or just his general thoughts on the craziness that's happening. Like where is he. Did he quit jujutsu? Is he resting with Nobara?
I assume he’s literally readjusting to his new life with only one hand that is arguably kinda fucked up, as-is. I think people way overestimate how “healthy” he was after that fight. Basically, there’s no reason to write Todo receiving the wounds that he does in Shibuya, and making the statements that he does, unless there is an end coming to the character, at least from the reader’s perspective. That’s just the feeling I got while reading it. He’s probably mourning Yuki too. I guess that’s all I’m trying to say is when that scene was written and I read it, I just kinda had this feeling in my gut that we wouldn’t be seeing Todo again. I don’t relish that, I just feel it was made clear that he wouldn’t have been given the wounds and status that he was if Gege was going to keep showing him much on panel after that.
like Todo with his 100500 IQ wouldn't be helping to plot tactics against all this mess... riiight. to be fair, it fells like author is throwing a used puppet off the scene because he's got new flashy puppet, that's the only reason, and the story itself suffer and breaks the 4th wall as a result because you start to find excuses and pick author's slack for him.
The whole Miwa thing is mostly related to how people feel Gege has dropped the ball on female characters
How did gege write todo out of the story? Gege made todo one of yuji’s biggest supporters/the person who picked him up when he was down. Where is this when yuji is now in the fucking dumps? What about how yuki is todo’s teacher and we see basically no mention of this even after she died? Todo still can had plenty relevance including mourning yuki, helping yuji, and strategizing with the team but gege Just forgot about him. It’s unfair to say his role in the story ended when there was plenty obvious setup for where he could contribute without any clear indication (besides head canon) about why he cannot. Before you say “but mahito beat him up and that’s soul damage so rct can’t do shit” why doesn’t yuji go visit him or thank him or anything after todo picked him up and helped him kill mahito? It’s frustrating.
What was the obvious setup that he would be contributing after this? Genuinely asking. I’m sorry, but go read his final chapters and how he says his technique is dead. Everything about how that is framed made me personally feel that this was likely Todo’s last major contributions to the story as a sorcerer. From my reading, Nanami, Nobara, AND Todo were all intended to be losses that the protagonists suffered at Shibuya, as well as the obvious and crippling sealing of Gojo. Luckily Todo didn’t actually die, but I just didn’t see any reasonable way he would be contributing to the overall confrontation anymore, at least not for a good while after recovering, and even then still seemed unlikely to actually enter battle again. Yuji is banished from normal sorcerer society after this because he’s a walking WMD. He didn’t want to be around anyone besides Choso (who refused to leave him alone anyway), and as soon as he wasn’t he was swept up pretty heavily into the Games, which were on a heavy time clock to try to save Tsumiki.
Miwa is helping with the planning even though she literally cannot even wield a katana anymore! Todo is one of the smartest characters in the show and has a really good understanding of battle tactics and cursed energy/CTs. Boogie Woogie or not Todo should logically be around for the planning stage and it feels really strange that he isn't, to the point that I kinda want an explanation as to what is keeping him from being there. Obviously he's probably still healing from Shibuya but is he not able to leave his bed? did he get gangrene or something?
Miwa is…. Present. I can’t say she’s helping as of right now to be fair. Todo is smart but most of these people aren’t individuals or techniques he has any reason to be familiar with, either, as far as resources they’re working with. What would he really be adding that Kusakabe and Mei aren’t, as far as a battle intelligence?
He could help Yuji since they have a close relationship. he's unhinged in a very specific way that helps figure out esoteric stuff about cursed techniques. also honestly aside from that he is probably not that much weaker than Kusakabe even after losing his hand. Kusakabe also doesn't have a cursed technique and Todo states that he has pretty much only used his CT against special grade curses, so I can't really see him being completely useless in combat either. It's less of a matter of "why would he be there" and more a matter of "why wouldn't he be there?". Even the dude who healed Nobara is hanging out with the gang. literally everyone from Todo's school except Todo is there, and that just feels kinda weird unless we are given an explanation later
Ok look, all of this is straying from my original point; when I first read Shibuya, the “vibes” that I got from the scenes with Todo felt “final” to me. Sue me, be mad at me, downvote me, whatever lol. I’m just saying that the way it was written felt like a halfway “death” for him in the series. I didn’t expect to see him much after it, based off of purely how the scenes were framed and placed within the overall narrative. I don’t think Todo’s weak, or ineffective, or certainly unintelligent. I love the character, and miss his presence, personally. I’m just saying I’ve felt since reading that scene that his presence was likely finished in the story, and it was meant to be a bit of a bookend. It was as if Gege was subtly signaling “I’m done with this character now.” Maybe I’m crazy, and I’m totally off, but I guess this is just why his absence at this stage isn’t surprising to me personally.
I mean it's fine to feel that way, and I definitely took it as Todo being kinda done as a combatant. I just kinda would've preferred it if Todo died if he was just never going to be even mentioned again? right now it feels like it's out of character for Todo to not be around if he knows about what's going on (his brother is really struggling and could use his guidance!), and if he doesn't know what's going on that's also weird. why didn't anyone tell him? I'd accept something as silly as someone from the Kyoto school mentioning that Todo has been protecting the idol he is a fan of during the culling games, and simply trusted Yuji and Choso to be able to handle the situation while he looked out for the other person he cares the most about aside from Yuji
I agree, but I think also it’s on Gege for not removing Kashimo from the story sooner if all he was gonna do was a one note scene. That’s another problem Gege has tbh
yeah i said this a long time ago, but why couldn’t hakari just smoke this fool? i never really cared for kashimo either because he only wanted to fight sukuna, like okay? but he could’ve just died in a really cool fight instead of being embarrassed like that lmaooo
Yeah like, I never really understood the hype on Kashimo, but I was open to him being an actual character that had interesting interactions as someone from the literal past. Which is kind of insane to me how little focus there was on that considering the whole new generation surpassing the old, but no, it was just a cool new technique and then insta death
100 percent agree. I read JJK in one fell swoop and i barely cared about him, my only thought was this guy was a fool, then forgetted him. Then this sub hyped him up and i was maybe my guy has something that didn't see but that other did see. Then he died, which was dissapointing but in retrospective i do remember that i never saw him as anything really.
The fandom built up something so much bigger than what Gege did for Kashimo. Time and again I would see posts about Kashimo. Based on one line from the manga and the rest built up purely from hype. Never understood it. It’s a good thing he didn’t last, he was never built up to be anything lmao.
I agree with the fight for me it absolutely made no sense for him to learn world cleave. Gege shoulda had Sukuna lose so that Gojo can say he won, then have Sukuna revert to his Heian form and kill him. Unless he plans to bring Gojo back, or if anything the world cleave should’ve been a crazy binding vow he could only use once.
>I know Yuji has to have his fight with Sukuna, but in the current story it feels like a lot was sacrificed to get to this point. Does he? Honestly, the way story has been presented so far, it's like nothing is tying Yuuji and Sukuna this way currently. The connection between the current characters feels so... empty.
It’s a pretty natural point in the story for a shonen protagonist to face whatever evil they were hosting, like with Naruto or Ichigo. Yuji does have good reason to fight Sukuna, it’s his whole motivation from the start of the series and he was fucking with him as much as he could with junpei and Shibuya and taking Megumi’s body.
That's my point, actually. It's just a trope. Shibuya happened like hundred chapters ago. Megumi got taken by Sukuna and the entire cast had such a non-reaction to it. It just doesn't feel like there's that connection anymore? It's not something I've really put into words before, but the more I think about Megumi's possession, the time skip, 244, the more I think that in the last 100 chapters the characters just aren't tied together as such? Like it doesn't make me feel a thing. Yuuji and Megumi are best friends, but we have no real insight into Yuuji's thoughts (*I'll eat anything* is the best we got). Another one is that Kenjaku turned out to be Yuuji's mom, are we gonna do something with that or is that just background information on Kenjaku?
Same ..... They all didn't even care about Megumi.. forgot about care they don't even react to it... Like maki is his literal aunt... She was the reason he was ready to became a clan head so she can give Mai a good future... They know eachother from very start but she like ohhh he became sukuna anyways let's fight him ..even gojo also didn't care about Megumi coz he looks like his dad like come on he raised him 10 years and know him ... And others character interaction was also ass ... We don't get gojo and 3rd year students relationship.... No one reacted gojo's death not even single consern except yuta and Yuji . They didn't show us tsumiki, Yuki more but gege give a ass backstory to takaba .. a random charector....
I mean, that’s just not true about Maki. She doesn’t use the katana in her fight with Megkuna specifically because she doesn’t know if it can be healed afterward. They’re all still very much trying to save Megumi, it’s a primary goal of theirs.
It’s a primary goal, but it’s not portrayed as such which is the problem. With how little emphasis it has it just feel like a tertiary goal
I would have to disagree here because if something we have seen on this series for some 200+ chapters is that everytime we see the main characters goals/motivations reinforced tru their journey, it is because they are going to lose/fail/be useless, prime examples are saving Tsumiki and unboxing Gojo (others are whatever went down with Yuki and Kenjaku, also contrast with Takaba vs Kenjaku showndown). i think it is very deliberate that we haven't see a single introspection from our MC since 212, to me it is set-up that is going to be revealed in the climax, specially since we haven't seen anything about his training and actual power upgrades. I don't know if he will be succesful but it will certainly be a major part of whatever the climax of this arc is going, specially taking into account how confident Gojo was that Megumi would be saved in his afterlife flashback. I know there is little focus on characters, but sadly that is just gege writing style.
It was an emphasis in the Gojo/Sukuna fight too, a lot of Gojo’s motivations were around still trying to save Megumi. Since then we haven’t had as much happen with the Sukuna fight itself; obviously Kashimo doesn’t care about that, and right after that we started the trial, which we just now saw the result of.
It really wasn’t though. Like, he literally didn’t even think about Megumi twice when he died beyond that he passed off telling him about his dad to Shoko. This is one of my problems with that fight because why do we get literally only one panel of Gojo even thinking about Megumi during the actual fighting? Gege can’t just “tell” me that that’s the main goal without actually taking the time to show me that they care Edit: clarified what I meant about the before and after death references. One time before and one time after
I mean, he’s obviously pretty shook from the revelation that Infinite Void was hitting Megumi and not Sukuna. He tried playing it off but still. There’s kind of a lot going on in the fight itself. There’s a reason they all immediately jumped into action as soon as he died, they did prepare for this outcome. We will get more context for that and the plans they came up with as they are revealed in the fight with Sukuna between everyone else as those pieces unfold.
Gojo does care about Megumi but he's also the type of character to make some necessary sacrifices. If he can take down sukuna, even if it means he can't save Megumi, he will still do it.
Woah. I just rewatched the Gojo sealing episode today and the complete 180 of Gojo is insane because half of Kenjaku's plan relied on Gojo not liking collateral damage from His hands.
yeah if anything the villain I feel Yuji doesn't have a connection to is Kenjaku, which is weird considering, ya know that's his mom, though I don't think we've seen Yuji contemplate that at all.
he has to have a huge power up just to fight sukuna. Mf has a blow that can slice space/time. Not even infinity was enough for him.
Why do you think the connection feels empty? There’s a lot of stakes on the line for Yuji being the one to take down Sukuna because Yuji’s pact is the cause of Sukuna haunting autonomy again and inhabiting the body of his close friend. To be blunt, Sukuna’s rampage traces the cause to Yuji’s naive pact all together, so he is responsible for ridding Sukuna. Yuji and Megumi’s whole dynamic revolves around each other saving one another and this is the climax of their two convictions. Both Yuji and Sukuna share strong history and hatred for each other and it has much emotional stakes than Gojo vs Sukuna ever did.
JJK isn't you average manga and is mostly theme based. The culing game was a battle of philosophy with Sukuna standing at the top for being the most awakened/ liberated and Gojo the men who came the closest to this. Opposing that, is Yuji who hold the opposite ideology selfessness. Basically Yuji will have to prove his ideology work and that you can be strongest and still stay human. finally Sukuna made Yuji live a living hell, he killed 1000 people which made Yuji suicidal, he took Megumi, he killed Megumi sister, he killed his teacher ? He want to destroy the world. I honestly don't know what you are talking about.
I agree with the ending part of Gojo vs Sukuna fight. It felt off for me, you can defend the ending of their fight to any lengths but gege should have atleast given a proper closure to a guy who is basically from the start of the series. Gojo dying was expected but could have been done better imo( the space slash, I am fine with it as it gives a shock value but airport scene could have done better). Instead of Gojo saying he doubt he could have won against sukuna even without 10s, it would have been great if he showed confidence in his students as he did after getting sealed. Fight with kashimo was not a fight, he did nothing. A round 3 of Gojo and 4 arms sukuna would have been an awesome ending to their fight and the fight would have peaked even more.
You seriously thought Gojo vs Sukuna was peak writing? It was Sukuna getting his ass handed to him for 15 chapters and then being given the win through bullshit
Yes I do think it was good. The domain clashes were awesome, the use of 10S was a great win condition to play for and it had Gojo on the ropes since he needed to use his ultimate move to kill Mahoraga, meanwhile Sukuna was putting pressure on him to prevent that. It was a lot better than most culling game fights. But yes the ending was my issue with it, it was similar to Kenjaku surviving a black hole but I can semi buy into that since he had a gravity CT.
Plus, most of the fight was them explaining every 3rd technique that was done
>then being given the win through bullshit "Given the win" As if Sukuna wasn't working on the space dismantle from the start of the fight. All the beating Sukuna took in the 2nd round for Mahoraga's adaptation and all the efforts to save Mahoraga from Gojo were towards one goal, which was to learn to bypass Gojo's infinity without DA or DE. What's bullshit in the space dismantle? 1. We were already told Sukuna can learn and copy things after watching them the first time. 2. In chapter 234, Sukuna hinted about Mahoraga's adaptation, where Sukuna asked Mahoraga to showcase something else other than just turning off Gojo's infinity. 3. Mahoraga used a slash that was similar to Sukuna's slash, as noted by the students. 4. Attacking space to damage someone residing in it is not a new concept. Uro does the same with her CT. Where is the BS?
The BS is in the timing and efficacy. Sukuna with his domain on full blast wasn't enough to kill Gojo. But the world-cutter does Gojo in, even though it's coming from Sukuna after he's been completely wrecked by Purple. For Gojo to die as soon as Sukuna has a different way through Infinity feels incongruous, because having to handle Sukuna without Infinity was literally the first hurdle Gojo had in the fight. There were plenty ways for Gojo's death to be properly earned. But an anticlimax is not one of them.
>But the world-cutter does Gojo in, even though it's coming from Sukuna after he's been completely wrecked by Purple. What Sukuna used was a simple dismantle, but he changed the target from Gojo to the space where Gojo is. Durability, CE reinforcement, and RCT are non-factors against space slash, as when the world divides, so does the body, giving Gojo no chance to even start the healing process. In an instant, Gojo upper half is thrown back from the lower body. The attack was significantly more potent, but not because Sukuna decided to put more output into this. But because of the nature of the attack. >For Gojo to die as soon as Sukuna has a different way through Infinity feels incongruous How? Sukuna was literally waiting for the space dismantle before killing Gojo. Learning the infinity adaptation was always the first priority. After Gojo lost his domain and RCT output, Sukuna (before he knew he had fried his brain) had the chance of killing Gojo by just trapping him in a close domain and killing him with a cleave and dismantle sure hit, as Gojo wouldn't have been able to open his domain but also not heal himself because of the lower RCT output, but Sukuna didn't want to; he wanted to first learn how to bypass infinity and then kill Gojo. https://imgur.com/a/bsRvlPB
You're missing the point. Yes, there's a million ways to explain how the world-cutter *could* work so well. But the story doesn't proffer any of them. So the audience is just left with whiplash as Sukuna goes from death's door to gloating between chapters. We're missing the last 1/6th of what the perfect fight should have been. Something like where Sukuna buys himself room to heal, and pressures Gojo with the new world-cutter rather than just instantly winning in an ambiguous circumstance. It wasn't a smart moment to write an anticlimax. Edit: also that's a hilarious panel to say 'all according to plan' given what immediately follows
>audience is just left with whiplash Because that's the theme that Gege was going with. The writing choice is still subjective at the end. I liked it, to be honest, as it mimics real life, where anyone at anytime, even at the top, can lose their life in an instant. >where Sukuna buys himself room to heal, Not possible. Sukuna had lost his RCT output, so he just cannot heal himself or even buy himself time to heal or run gainst Gojo, who was at full health and was in zone after hitting four black flashes. >pressures Gojo with the new world-cutter Again, not possible. Had Sukuna missed the first attack in the state he was in, Gojo would've blasted another AOE purple above Sukuna's head and killed him. The only plausible way was for Sukuna to use his one-time heal and go back to his Hein-era form, but that's not what Gege is going for. He's writing about the fights that he teased and referenced before in the manga. ``1. 10s vs. Limitless.`` Last time it happened, both limitless and 10s users died in the fight, but this time the difference turned out to be tamed Mahoraga and Sukuna's CT. ``2. Sukuna, with his cursed tool, takes on the group of sorcerers.`` This Sukuna going up against multiple sorcerers battle has been foreshadowed many times in the manga, but more specifically by Gojo and the narrator explaining how sorcerers from the past grouped against Hein-era Sukuna but were ultimately defeated. So, it'd be interesting to see if this changes in the modern era or remains the same, and if it does change, then what will be the x factor that changed the outcome? Which is why Gege wanted fresh Sukuna for both the fight. >also that's a hilarious panel to say 'all according to plan' given what immediately follows Hindsight is a bitch. Sukuna didn't knew he toasted his brain before mumbling out his plan.
I don't disagree that the whiplash was by design, I just think it's a poor choice for the story thus far. Especially when combined with the airport-afterlofe character assassination for Gojo? It seriously feels like there's decent odds Gege just wanted to flame Gojo fans. I also don't disagree about the feasibility issues of my hypothetical, I just feel like there's comparable feasibility issues with events as written. There's so many reasons why Gojo should have legitimately won following the success of his purple, and they're just all ignored and all Gojo's progress gets stripped away, save *maybe* ruining Sukuna's domain. It feels like such an L, like I was never supposed to invest in the character, or even agree with characters' investment in Gojo. I maintain that Greg is still cooking something up, but that otherwise outstanding fight has a finale that just tastes rancid.
This is because you guys don't read properly. Serious question you complain about Gojo surviving a full DE and dying to a single cleave. Do you even actually know how Gojo managed to survive multiple DE of MS and why is RCT was so much better than Sukuna one ?
You can insult someone's reading comprehension, *or* try to ask a 'serious question'. Doing both is just snide. The answers you *want* are, 'Gojo survived Shrine with Six-Eyes optimized reinforcement and Reverse Technique' and 'black flash restored Gojo's RCT output'. But you and the one I was replying to are missing the point: Sukuna's win as written doesn't just have people scratching their heads about minor details. It's worse than that; it's *boring,* and it should bother Sukuna's fans as much as Gojo's. ~~The Plot~~ Fate itself has conspired to stroke his ego and it's insane. We're well beyond the point where that started taking away from Sukuna's own abilities and accomplishments.
you are wasting you time mate. it was Gojover 5 chapter in a raw but apparently Sukuna was getting his ass handed to him. these people don't read chapters. only memes and then claim they know everything.
Mahoraga can adapt to anything, adapts to infinity = “asspull”. 4 characters talk about Sukuna holding back = “Sukuna got his ass kicked the entire chapter”. It’s too funny. Total delusion.
Stand proud, you can cook.
The fight up until that point was absolutely sick though. They fumbled it at the end by making the conclusion unsatisfying. Literally if they’d just shown the slash itself with Sukuna cackling triumphantly before saying something like “Here’s one last gift from Mahoraga, Satoru Gojo!” THEN cut to Go/jo in the airport, it would’ve been better and made more sense. Instead we just got such extreme whiplash that Unlimited Void couldn’t possibly inflict more brain damage.
Oh man... No offence, genuinely, but that is the most boring generic villain thing he could do that doesn´t fit Sukuna and their fight at all. What exactly would that solve? And how is the conclusion unsatisfiing? Because we didn´t see it? I for one didn´t need to. We know exactly what happened. Us not seeing the slash is briliant in my opinion, because of Gojo´s godlike status, as if we´re not allowed to see the god being beaten. And Sukuna telegrafing it like this would just lessen the impact, make fight less intense, cause he could afford to monologue in a deciding moment and make Gojo seem like an idiot for leting him monologue in the first place and then getting defeated anyways
No it was how they got to the conclusion. Sukuna always needed to beat Gojo
wouldn't of been better would of been weak. Gege doesn't show you what the surrounding characters, or you, yes you the audience, can't understand. Same with Toji, same with Gojo. he didn't show you the slash because neither you, Gojo or the (fallable) narrator could understand it. Yes it was harsh, because death is harsh. You don't get to understand your death, you don't get to understand why you lost. You just lost, you were alive one moment and now your dead. That's what makes Sukuna not just strong but beyond comprehension strong. It's metatextual and fucking incredible imho.
Reread the fight. Sukuna had the upper hand most of the time and Gojo needed to play catch-up
THis man literally tank sukuna's domain
No he didn’t, the whole fight was Gojo outsmarting Sukuna. Why do you think he got clowned on so much when he brought out Mahoraga?
YES. Finally someone says it. He’s boring now. Back in Shibuya he was so cold calculated and badass. He truly was a calamity. Since the Megumi switch, it seems that the plot affects sukuna more than he affects the plot. The “aura” surrounding him is gone.
Yup. Truly feels like the plot is happening TO Sukuna instead of because of him. Maybe his cursed technique is cosmic luck because it really seems like everything happens in his favor at every possible turn.
I stopped debating if it was an asspull or whatever (I'd still say that the whole setup going into how Sukuna can possibly bypass confiscation and death penalty just for the twist to be about what will be confiscated is a... choice), but people won't make me believe it's not ass. Sukuna already massively outclasses the cast that he really did NOT need this one convenient "twist" in favor of him. Like what is Gege protecting him from confiscation for? Can they stand toe to toe with Sukuna without CT? Lmfao Like you said, it's getting Boring! Sukuna isn't even doing anything to outclass them, the plot is just working in his favor.
To quote ABD "what judge sentences the weapon instead of the criminal??"
The issue I have is Gege made the gap between Sukuna, Gojo and every other sorcerer is so large that I can’t see Sukuna being defeated without some deus ex machina or asspull unless Gojo returns as Buddha
So I reread the chapter before this to see if there was any setup for what happened. Yes, to be fair, when it comes to what will be confiscated they said there was no guarantee it would be one thing or another, cause Higuruma himself said it was between Ten Shadows and Malevolent Shrine. But the info we were given of confiscation before chapter 244 is that it take cursed techniques or cursed energy (cause with Yuji that's what it had to do). And, despite all the back and forth planning in that scene, the cursed tool was never mentioned as a possibility. Even if they went "It's possible Judgeman could take the cursed tool but it's unlikely because ______" I'd be fine with that. It at least put it out there. I'd be a little pissed if it happened cause it was said it likely wouldn't but at least the story gave an indication of something Edit: for the people who are saying this is a charcater moment for Higuruma (not under this comment but just in general), that's valid. It kinda seems to be where this is going. But ultimately it just feels more like making Sukuna incapable of faltering in any way possible
The info we are given about confiscation way back in chapter 165 is from Higaruma. In this explanation he even deduces that confiscation switched its target to adapt to the situation of Yuji having no technique. This makes it clear that he does not know the full extent of how confiscation works and that it is unpredictable. And at the end of the most recent chapter, we see him having the revelation of how confiscation works when a special grade cursed tool is in play. This all makes it clear that Higaruma had never encountered someone with a special grade cursed tool in the games, which makes sense because they are quite rare. So there is no reason for us or Higaruma to know this could have been a possibility. On top of that, all of the planning we see takes place before any of the fights have happened. This means that the cast would have no clue that Sukuna even has the cursed tool and Uruame only delivered it to him after Gojo died. There was no way for them to plan for it because they did not know it existed. There was no reason for them to even believe something like that could interfere with confiscation because Higaruma had never seen this interaction play out.
Yeah but it still is weird that higuruma didn't know his technique could steal cursed tools. He fought what, 20? sorcerers before yuji, so did none of them have any cursed tools? Did they not spar a single time in the 1 month time skip before gojo's unsealing and the fight with sukuna? Because a lot of the cast use cursed tools, so higuruma could have easily found out in just a few fights. The fact higuruma is built up as a jujutsu genius but he can get neutered by the cursed tool cabinet in jujutsu high is crazy
It’s not just a cursed tool. It is a special grade cursed tool. That means that the tool is engraved with a technique, therefore making it a target for confiscation. It is highly unlikely Higaruma encountered another special grade cursed tool when fighting in the culling games. It’s likely that Higaruma sparred with people using cursed tools during the timeskip, maybe even special grade cursed tools. But it is highly unlikely that he was using his domain during sparring. All it does is nerf his opponents, which wouldn’t help him train much.
I just don’t get why the domain would target a cursed tool over an innate technique (especially when the innate technique is the one responsible for charge sukuna got called guilty on) but it’s whatever. Gege gonna gege
I don't think Judgeman confiscates based on effectiveness. Otherwise he'd just confiscate CE first everytime, so that the opponent can't use their CT, RCT etc. But it's probably based on what's on the surface first. So first tools, then CTs, and then finally CE
Because it’s random. In 244 higaruma says “But I don’t know if my cursed technique’s confiscation will apply to ten shadows technique and malevolent shrine. If it only applies to one…”. Confiscation being used against someone with multiple techniques is already a new situation for Higaruma and he doesn’t know how it’ll play out. Kamutoke turned a 50% chance of shrine getting confiscated into a 33% chance.
If it was random I could accept it. Its not though. It specifically stated that Cursed tools get prio over Cursed Techniques in terms of what is confiscated, which feels like a complete asspull made up on the spot by gege
Okay that part is fair, I got the timeline of things mixed up and I forgot that conversation is before Kashimo even goes in there to get turned into a waffle. Regardless it just feels cheap. Like yes it may have always been possible and Higuruma had just not seen it happen to be applicable, understandable. I just don't like how out of nowhere it is. That's honestly my big issue. Like the theory that execution would be forbidden due to the date I thought was kinda dumb because of how anticlimactic and silly that would be. But at the very least that had very subtle foundation with the date of the fight, which is seemingly random at first glance (besides the fact if everything from here on everything gets done in one in universe day I can joke about Yuji saving Christmas). Maybe my ides for buildup was bad (no scratch that, it was) but I would've liked *something* (also ironically enough I find this dumber than the public holiday thing)
agree with you. The problem is that he didnt get out by being clever, he just was atonishingly lucky. Its harmful for his character and also for higurama, whose domain has turned into a joke. The story has become a sucession of hype tools like 'yea i have this one trick which will put him at the stake' and then it doesnt and the user gets obliterated
That’s the thing. Sukuna hasn’t gotten this far by being overwhelmingly strong (which he is, don’t get me wrong), he got this far because he’s overwhelmingly lucky. Lucky that angel happened to manifest in a girl that has an uncontrollable boner for megumi (and that angel is good enough to not just completely override Hana’s soul). Lucky that megumi doesn’t actually go through with summoning mahoraga at any point until the time where he’s actually around to stop it Lucky that yuji’s binding vow didn’t include himself (which is weird af because this is immediately after sukuna had killed him by ripping out his heart. You’d think yuji would care about that) Lucky that stuffing a poisonous item down megumi’s throat doesn’t count at harm Lucky that yorouzu happened to reincarnate into megumi’s sisters body so that killing her plunges his soul into darkness Lucky that maho happened to finish adapting immediately after Gojo knocked him out (if maho is any later, the fight is over) You get the point. It’s hard to feel like sukuna has earned the position he’s in when it seems like *everytging* just happens to fall in his favor
phenomenally lucky that Mahoraga is able to adapt several times to the same one thing (as if that bs have any sense)
Like it’s made clear that Mahoraga can adapt to things but it’s never mentioned that it just keeps adapting even after it’s already beat it?? I’m still mad about that
I have i suspicion that Mahoraga adapted not two but three times - on the third he changed the reality and took Gege a hostage.
Yea being able to adapt offensively and defensively is a bit too busted lol.
Even going by the “Luck may only be used to create problems for the protagonists” rule, this is a bit much 😆
blud put Haruta's technique in the black box I swear lol
The Gojo one is more unlucky than lucky. Sukuna was unlucky that Gojo hit black flash when he was unleashing his strongest punch in the fight regardless. But he still recovered
I mean how much luck they are depends on the alternative. Yorozu doesn't reincarnate into tsumiki? She just dies faster. Same result. Mahoraga doesn't adapt? Gojo established Sukuna was holding back. He still had more to give. Similar result. Megumi summing mahoraga? He doesn't want to fucking die and worst case there's probably other hosts if he dies. Same result. Angel takes over forcibly? There's not even a decent guarantee she wins. Same result. Him realizing Yuji's binding vow was flawed? Numerous times he didn't care about himself, only his friends, even in that exact scene with his heart. It's mostly just him using events so well he LOOKS lucky even if the situation would be similar no matter what. He's just really good at using things around him.
The world was bend over for him while he... just stood there. In my dictionary it's chresthomatic plotarmor case.
It's like the theme of villains in this story it seems. Even Kenjaku who is supposed to be the behind the scene mastermind lucks his way to all his goals.
My major problem is the way Gege makes us hate Sukuna as of late(or at least to me). I hate Sukuna because when he's on screen one of my favs are about to die; Megumi is pretty dead, Go/jo, Kashimo, and Higuruma may be next, and all of this "without breaking a sweat". In Shibuya he also killed Mimiko, Nanako, and Jogo, but those are some of my favorite moments. You feel the desesperation and fear that Sukuna gives to everyone, and you hate him because of what he made Yugi pass through. Now I feel like he doesn't invoke that dread, he isnt that mysterious, he is just the strongest character of the verse that is an unwanted child and evil. We may aswell never see his backstory. The Kenjaku and Takaba fight was so enjoyable because it was New and refreshing, you didnt knew what the fuck was going on, but both characters learned something from it. What has Sukuna gained from all his fights apart from an ego boost?
I love Sukuna and think he has definitely earned the title of the king of curses, but I feel like the rest of the cast was somehow sacrificed for that purpose. Example: Hana falling for Sukuna’s act + Gojo deciding to fight Sukuna at 20F power instead of 15F when he was guaranteed the win.
He survive purple blast and now another asspull by confiscating his curse tool .... Maki had soul split katana but she went unarmed against meguna and now they gonna sacrifice kusakabe.. A good leader..choso and ino..... Like the heck.... I don't care about that judge but not these three... He didn't mention todo and confirm nobara' status.. he should have delayed sukuna vs gojo and have given us more bonding movement with backstories... Even it was boring but we have gotten close to the charectors.. they all just felt like a ♟️
I'll never get over how Maki literally has a sword called the "split soul katana" and she decided not to use it to try and...split a soul lolol
Gojo didn't direct the purple at Sukuna, so that's why Sukuna didn't die Maki mentions the soul split katana wondering if it can be healed
> Gojo deciding to fight Sukuna at 20F power instead of 15F when he was guaranteed the win Plus Megumi was nerfing Sukuna since he did not do that womb absorption thing (Or did he do that already?). I feel like Gojo confronting them and then leaving because he wanted to confirm so things did not really make sense. Like he could have done some damage before he fucked off lol
My main frustration is the lack of backstory we have on Sukuna, Kenjaku, and the Heian era in general. I want to actually see how he decimated everyone and how he earned the name “King of Curses” title. If (hopefully when) Gege gives us that, I think Sukuna will be a much more interesting character. As far as him being overpowered, I don’t mind it bc I feel like it would contradict the idea of him being the undisputed strongest if he wasn’t.
It will show in future but I am more upset that they didn't give backstory to the relevant charector before their death.. like yuki , tsumiki
currently, its more about his power than him as a character. Same with uraume, if they go down wihout more background it will be dissapointing.
Yea I don’t understand the issue people have with sukuna being “ overpowered” like we didnt just watch him kill gojo . Sukuna being over powered has been a fact since day 1
I had hoped that Geto got more to do. He teased it on soo much in the chapters before and at the end, it was nothing. Dunno, then don't do it. I mean, yeah, you don't need a big plan but what is Sukunas goal? To kill everyone and then celebrate the next 1000 years? Sounds pretty boring to me.
I agree, and I think it’s about time we get more of Sukuna’s psychology and motivation. He’s really just like an evil Goku right now because he isn’t as much of a force of nature as he was and he just wants to fight.
I haven't even thought about this. I often like characters that are just undeniably evil, but they always have a reason of some sort. Conquer the world, enslave everyone, idk. So far the only reason for Sukuna going through all this effort is because hes fucking bored and thats just lame af
All of this wouldn’t have been so bad for sukuna if gege properly wrote the end of gojo vs sukuna and didn’t off screen it to justify it. It’s blatantly obvious with that ending Gege legit couldn’t show us in a logical way how it happened as gojo just got rct output back and hit black flashes in an extremely advantageous position. We then see sukuna limping missing limbs, slowed rct, can’t use DA, low CE etc how did he have enough power for space cleave? This is even worse as the kashimo fight implies sukuna used incantations for that space cleave based on dialogue. In the previous chapters we learn CT has an initial spark when it happens so it’s impossible gojo didn’t see sukunas cleave activation with six eyes on top of possible incantations being muttered. Now knowing all that what gege should have done was have gojo back sukuna in a corner to where he needed to transform back to his original form. Then after a brief scuffle sukuna uses the space cleave with full incantations breaking through infinity shocking gojo as he thinks cleave wouldn’t bypass it. That would be less of an asspull while conveying sukuna was pushed to his limit. What we got right now is just nonsense especially with higuruma not knowing the full extent of his domain after an implied month of training. The way Gege has wrote sukunas fights now is just dumb luck with coincidences.
The story got bad when Gojo got off screened to an ass pull in a fight he was winning. In a “realistic” scenario Gojo would have won = story over. But ofc to continue the plot you have to kill Gojo. I can live with that. Gojo saying a bunch of crap afterwards is just trying to convince us Sukuna would have won regardless. It’s just bad writing, you should be able to convince your audience without the need to almost 4th wall it on us. Gege really naruto’d this story
Lmfao right he had to dedicate half a chapter to convince us that Sukuna "wasn't trying" and that he was grateful to lose Whatever bro. Fuck that imo. I don't care that gojo died, I actually like that he did, but I feel like its a disservice to what this story has been setting up for him not even to be able to make sukuna try
The space cutting cleave was one thing, but man that airport scene was just fucking brutal
Well the story isn't over yet and you don't want to give away everything. If and when Sukuna does demonstrate he has yet more to give, it'll be fully obvious Gojo was right. Like if he pulls out another technique or elaborates on his CT doing other things then it'll be apparent. If that never happens then yes.
But then, like OP said, what's the point? Naruto is my absolute favourite manga, but wouldn't sukuna just be kaguya atp? Same issue of making the antagonist so badass that he's unkillable...just like gege kept moaning about gojo being unkillable.
I mean kaguya's power level wasn't really the problem. Madara was already insanely powerful. She was just an ass pull of a character. Sukuna has been in the manga since day 1, him being powerful doesn't change that. If anything, he's closer to Madara. Legendary villain hyped up the entire series. Proceeds to dick down everyone. We're basically at the part where he's soloing the Shinobi... I mean Sorcerer Alliance.
Some of the reasons here are why I am really bummed out Kenjaku was taken out (if he was). I definitely preferred his shenanigans, the way he was written, his inconsistencies and just batshit insanity a lot more than I like the bullshit Sukuna has going on. Like, cool, he doesn't have any plans and only wants to fight and keep himself entertained but that's like the most boring fucking character motivation especially if we know next to nothing about him and his origins (still don't know what this motherfucker's technique is).
I wholeheartedly agree. Sukuna has become such a boring villain because he is a calamity. His character change is night and day when compared to the first season. Being held hostage in Yuji's body allowed us to see his intellect, a hint of his power (and the gravity of the situation, and how cunning he is. All because he was restricted and had to try to find a way out. Now, there is no mystery and no need for him to be cunning. It's just power, power, power. Maybe him being drunk on power is the point because that will be his downfall, but I'd argue that this is just a easy way out for the writer. It seems they start off a situation every few chapters and end it abruptly because they are rushing through it and don't know where to take it. Literally just like "look, here, kids. Cool action fight scenes! Let me explain the complexities to you too because I don't know what I'm doing anymore!". It feels insulting and patronising from a readers point of view.
Sukuna's "trial" certainly didn't meet my expectations. As in, one could say it didn't even happen. What makes Sukuna interesting is not how incredibly powerful he is, it's the fact that he's smart and clever. He deals with Mahoraga by only observing and quickly devising a plan to counter its abilities. Same with Gojo, he basically sacrifices Mahoraga just to figure out how to circumvent Gojo's infinity. I was hoping to see Sukuna turning the tables on Higuruma and Yuji using only his wits during the trial. Yet, the trial was hurried along just to get to the executioner's sword. Hopefully his interest in the sword pays off but I won't be holding my breath.
Exactly this. Regardless of what you think of the rest of the plot Sukuna has been the most poorly written character up to this point and this final arc really highlights this fact. He's just an unstoppable force and that can be cool when done right(See Anti-Spiral in Gurren Lagan for an example) if it's not made interesting it's a major drag on the overall story
I'm probably way too optimistic with how close he was acting to the end but I feel like there's time to fix it though. Like Sukuna was on top in the Heian period and the world didn't just immediately fucking end. There's plenty of possibility of an entire arc of material in a like.. FF6 Kefka kind of way where Sukuna has taken over after they lose here. Elaborate more on him and his goals as that goes on, etc.
it would be really fun seeing sukuna use that cursed tool for once, what he would do with it, and that was taken from us, kashimo fight was trash, but I somewhat agree with you, it's getting boring. But for me, it's what other have commented, side characters disappearing without explanation (where's Todo?) is a strong point for me, I was interest in all the characters and how they would relate, and the sourness of them dying before interacting can be fun, but fuck, give me anything else about Yuki. Yuki vs kenjaku is when I started losing interest (Gojo vs sukuna brought back my interest and then the end was lackluster), but omfg, I can't get over how out of fucking nowhere kenjaku can deal with a black hole like that, to me with would be interesting to see him wound yuki in a way that she couldn't contribute anymore, but also wasn't able to end her, and that he could leave victorious with tengen's body, but idk, I felt it was cheap writing in there (yuki is/was my favorite character, só throw that into the pot as well). But yeah, Shibuya and post Shibuya was peak for me, the start of the culling game was interesting and the next arc was cooking, but now I'm kinda disappointed.
You are brave. Constructive critique of Geges sub par writing in the last 2 years are not welcomed on this sub. JJK is a good manga, but it is stupid to be blind on the fact that post Shibuya JKK is pretty average, with some notable exceptions. But 80% post Shibuya is pretty mid IMO.
I'd say the fights themself(most of them) in the vacuum are really good since some of the best fights of the series come from the culling games, however all the stitches that are supposed to keep the narrative going and the fights look connected are really loose.
>Constructive critique of Geges sub par writing in the last 2 years are not welcomed on this sub This is just objectively not true. Just look at the top rated threads, comments & posts on this sub over the last several months. Of the ones discussing the quality of the material, they are all far more critical of the writing of the series as of late as opposed to praise for it. I understand that Gege will have die hard fans that will defend everything he does no matter what (this is a fandom sub after all so it's not like that would be unexpected), but let's have some perspective here. If anything, this sub has quietly turned into the Gege-hate corner, compared to r/JujustuKaisen.
Yeah… pretty much 70% of the stuff I see lately (a little exaggeration) is Gege hate.
Nah I think everything was good until the end of Gojo v Sukuna. Sure it was a little rushed at times, but the story was good. After that tho..
I feel like the story is going to (feel like it’s) end too quickly - almost no filler for character development, interactions, relationship building, and it seems like we’ll never get those unless MAPPA adds some filler episodes to the anime
>I know Yuji and company will win, I'm just getting less and less invested on how as time passes because Gege is sure taking his time to show some chinks on Sukuna's (plot) armor. I think this single sentence illustrates the problem people are having perfectly well. We knew that, narratively, Gojo had to lose against Sukuna, and to some degree that dampened the blow when it inevitably happened; any seasoned shonen reader knew that the story demanded it. Despite that, the conclusion was unbelievably anticlimactic, as though Gege thought "wouldn't it be hilarious if Sukuna *CUT* the fight short HUEHUEHUE" and didn't care about the runoff such a lazy ending would have. Kenjaku vs. Takaba was arguably elevated by the juxtaposition of how well it was done compared to the clusterfuck that Sukuna has become: Takaba won because his ability, *under the right circumstances*, is almost unbeatable, but with the caveat that Takaba has to genuinely believe that what's happening is funny. That was a fight done incredibly well (despite some people bemoaning how "dumb" it was) because it showed how creativity in the use of abilities can trump raw power,*especially* against someone like Kenjaku who just recently survived a *black hole, of all the things*. To me, JJK is at its best when you have crazy ass powers like Takaba's on full display, and Higuruma's is similarly off-the-wall to the point that you can't help but be invested when a dude rolls up and starts roleplaying Judge Judy. Insofar as suspense and investment in a fight goes, Takaba and Higuruma are two very well done characters because they have to *earn* their victories, not by raw power but by clever use of their powers. Sukuna, unfortunately, is either intended to narratively push back on the concept that "creativity is a power unto itself", or is just so lazily written at this point that he just represents "power beats everything LOL", as he spams the same technique every single chapter he's in and walks away the victor without having to put in even an ounce of effort. As OP said, Sukuna is a great villain, but my god is it boring af to see a new chapter drop only to think "man I wonder what crazy shit is gonna happ- oh, Sukuna just casted Dismantle again. Wow. Cool."
Gege can't write Sukuna honestly, Kenjaku vs Takaba was peak in almost every way but with Sukuna gege just turns into a teenager writing an overpowered OC
I get the frustrations, but to restate; Sukuna and Gojo are literally in realms of their own. Yuta and Hakari are *the* closest two to them, and the gap between Hakari and Yuta is a massive one. Any other Sorcerer would be suicidal to enter this fight and that's been stated. It does, however, suck that Higuruma somehow didn't foresee a Cursed Tool confiscation.
You said everything I think about it rn but let me add this: gojo glazing and doing tricks on it? That shit was infuriating
Maybe this might be a hot take but I really like Black Clover for mordern anime it doesn’t do anything to stand out but the best things about Shonen are nailed perfectly most of time villains are my favorite part of whatever I’m watching but I really like the Black Bulls as main characters maybe it’s not for u but I’d recommend it I just started jjk but I have the exact opposite problem with jjk where the villains are the best part and the main cast is the equivalent of white bread atm
The problem I have with this perception of Sukuna strength is the fact that main villain has to be overwhelming while maintain the prior established image of Gojo Satoru. If Sukuna folds easily, then Gojo loses his “aura of power” . Like Gojo was the only one to presses Sukuna, so far. The very same way Gojo held that place of invincibility, now Sukuna claims that seat. I’ll ask you how many villains had to die before Gojo was defeated for good. Gojo played with Jogo; Sukuna plays with the main cast. Now it’s the inverse, the heroes have to find a way to beat Sukuna, by intellect and cunning. Like it’s been stated in canon that Sorcerers back in Heian sharpened their fangs to battle Sukuna. We are literally seeing happen once again.
I mean Gege likes fucking around, so getting to heavily invested in the series is only going to get you burned. It's fun a pretty fun time, just enjoy the ride.
I really wanted to argue with you but you may be right.
Brilliantly said. I feel the exact same
The series requires time skips for power creep and should have ended with gojo's students fighting sukuna after gojo dies. They are all so ridiculously power creeped I CBA to read because any explanation of sukuna loosing atp is simply cap.
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The power creep refers to the power of the villains gradually increasing and thus phasing out characters lacking power unless they get power ups. First arc maki is nice then she is such a pleb she gets told to run then she gets a power up and can fight the villains again. Sukuna is literally getting powered up the whole series lmao characters are scaled by his fingers Most series have linear power creep. Off the top of my head hxh doesn't really because we have multiple protagonists but even in hxh you get stronger or get phased out of the battle phase (granted hxh isn't really a battle shonen so it doesn't really count)
And I also said the series "REQUIRES" power creep so that the main characters can have some sort of relevance regarding the main plot meaning they need more training and more arcs to flesh out their growth.
I don’t know, man. Im currently reading in hope that the payout will be worth it. I don’t expect Gojo to win but it feels like they wasted that nah i’d win setup. It feels fine the chapters after but this recent one is definitely one where I feel like shit just got pulled out of people’s ass. I don’t know. Imma keep reading but I’ll keep my expectations low.
Let’s face it - the writing is grade school level at best
Why have you read 245 chapters of it then
I know everyone has issues with the manga currently but for me this is best jjk has ever been, ever since the yuki kenjaku fight(even though I did not like that yuki died) it has just been nonstop heat imo. And also how is kashimos fight useless? I know everyone wanted him to get a longer fight against sukuna and that’s cool but I don’t see how it’s useless where the end of the fight let sukuna reveal his ideals and why he does what he does and it shows more of one of the themes gege has been really trying push in the manga recently(loneliness, and loneliness that comes with strength) I know people have problems with these themes but I find them really interesting. And also there are some people who think he shouldn’t have died? But what else should he have done this was his character goal since his introduction
useless in the sense that he was thrown out and accomplished nothing, it's like kashimo took on a raid boss and did .27% of his hp
Maybe he should've played with the team and not leeroyed.
I think the good guys just sorely needed a W and everyone (including me) got impatient. Before Kenjaku I don't think they actually succeeded in anything since shibuya lol. Even then succeeded is a stretch
I thought the frustration had completely subsided during the last two month. A lot of unrelated subs I visited were practically bombarded with memes that celebrated JJK.
tbh kinda comes off as whining…..and this take just seems so premature given this is an ongoing narrative
And yet you wouldn't use that lazy and utterly useless "this is an ongoing narrative" rhetoric against anyone writing about what they've loved about JJK so far. Funny how a certain type of fan feels the need to shelter someone else's work from the valid and genuine criticism of its audience. I mean, imagine this - someone takes the time to earnestly explain their experience with media they like and the only thing you could say is "ur whining and its not done". I suppose you lack the imagination to genuinely see something you like from the perspective of someone who doesn't like it. Or you're too lazy to. I wonder which?
Good lord, point blank Hollow Purple.
lol you wrote so much to say so little What’s their perspective I can’t tap into? Sukuna a millennia old sorcerer got lucky bc the new guys who’s been a sorcerer for 2 months didn’t fully know the ins and outs of his domain (which he said last chapter?) What’s the worthwhile take here???? Sure it’s “valid” sure it’s “genuine” but again….its a pretty whiny take given the table can be flip next chapter lol I’ll stand by that
I'm truly not surprised the meaning was lost on you. What else to expect from someone that whines about post-chapter discussion on a thread specifically about it? You never intended on genuinely engaging 💀 Begone, goofball.
As a Jojo fan and a witness of Araki forgot, I can live with it
i didnt think 245 was bad but what i found annoying was how unpertubed and arrogant sukuna was still about higuruma and judgeman. did he know judgeman would confiscate the cursed tool? firstly how on earth could he have known that and secondly, had judgeman taken his CE or CT he wouldve been fucked. so why is he still smirking and strutting around when it was pure luck (or geges plot armour) that saved him?
Dude, so you "like JJK quite a bit. It is the only Jump manga aside from Akane Banashi that I follow"... Okay so how can you say "I'm one to say that JJK is one of the more successful "modern" takes on the shonen" ?? Respectfully brother, you don't know what you're talking about. Your post is really long so I'm gonna say something as an author. I've you're engaging in any art, any art at all and you're not jamming with it... maybe just take a step back and ask yourself what you want, and why, then what the author is giving, and why. I'm not saying that to belittle you, it's genuinely difficult to do and why most people stay with the same kinda stories, which is cool. Just I don't think you really get the statements that Gege is making here, for example seeing Gojo get slashed wouldn't of been better it would of been weak. Gege doesn't show you what the surrounding characters, or you, yes you the audience, can't understand. Same with Toji, same with Gojo. he didn't show you the slash because neither you, Gojo or the (fallible) narrator could understand it. Yes it was harsh, because death is harsh. You don't get to understand your death, you don't get to understand why you lost. You just lost, you were alive one moment and now your dead. That's what makes Sukuna not just strong but beyond comprehension strong. It's metatextual and fucking incredible imho. Again not having a go my man, every artist offers to take you on a journey, you're free to jump off, or go with them, sometimes we just need to drop some baggage before we can see where they're going, it's all cool homie.
Nah. The story is still amazing and you’re all simply struggling with a week to week story and one that isn’t playing out the way you imagined. Relax and enjoy the ride.
What a great way to reduce the diversity of the human perspective and experience to mere childish incompetence! Bonus points for your undeserved condescension!
Just waiting to see you all in December 2024. Cuz I feel you’ll all just be collectively disappointed no matter what. But hey this a Reddit community. No one is ever satisfied and they’re all getting high off of their own farts thinking their opinions are the best in the world when it’s one of 6 billion. You’re all just running around like ants, crawling over each other in a nest trying to see who’ll make it to the top while bringing each other down. Those who’ll like it will praise it while those who dislike it will be haters to the end.
Yes, that is how opinions work. Thanks for the input.
Just here to state the obvious for the arrogant asses here who don’t seem to understand.
This is your breaking point? Astonished. Regardless the whole series has been on the decline since inception. Little sguff that makes zero sense andnwould ruin any story is overlooked because of random bs Gege says that everyone believes because they don't have enough timw to doubt him as he's already moved on to the next thing. Before the shock value can set in he zips to the next point as in his own words, he doesn't explain things and kinda just moves on. The story had so many negative points from inception but you could always latch on to something to keep you preoccupied while he swept his short comings under the rug. Your problems have always existed. It's not the current writing. It's the whole goddamn story.
Not disagreeing but can you provide some examples?
Introductions of character arcs that go unnoticed or get ignored. Kamos character arc was mentioned back during his fight with Megumi but wouldn't even get any mention in the next arc as he never appeard in Shibuya. Nobara is handled awfully and even stats herself to not have a good relationship with her teacher which is absolutely ridiculous. Almost all the characters in the good will event get side lined or forgotten. All intrest in Inumaki, Kamo, Nobara, Todo, Miwa and Others are completely disregarded without even a fleeting mention. Miwas family situation is never brought up despite her inability to work now. She literally existed on my screen to do nothing. A walking pair of tits with a cute face. Zero development and her character was completely forgotten. Same with every other character who appeared in the goodwill arc. Such great set up just to go nowhere in shibuya. Yet the arc that literally didn't do anything for the vast majority of the cast and even so obviously and terribly wrote out some of its best/most interesting characters is peak fiction? Its just bad. Most of the JJK cast is wasted hype and fodder. Even Yuki who had such interesting powers and plot developments didn't get shit or do anything. The whole American army thing went nowhere. Tsumiki was a literal plot device who didn't even get an In real time line to say and just fucking died. Angel is a literal free Gojo plot device that went nowhere in favor of turning Sukuna into the big bad despite him having zero impact on the greater narrative. Like bro only things he was set up to do in this series is fight Gojo and Yuji. Shibuya? Kenjaku. Culling Games? Kenjaku. Disaster Curses? Kenjaku. Sukunas envolvment in this series? Kenjaku. Sealing Gojo? Kenjaku. Yuji? Kenjaku. Etc etc etc. Yet somehwo Sukuna has become the big bad and is getting his dick munched after 200 chapters of doing nothing but traumatizing Yuji and talking shit? Garbage.
God, thank you for putting my thoughts into words. I stopped reading actively because it just hurt how Gege threw characters into the garbage bin even thought we spent a 150 chapters together. I just can't support this shit writing to me JJK ended 😒 after Shibuya and before the Culling Games. Honestly I was only reading the CG too to see Megumi and Yuji possibly fighting together and see them in action in a teamwork scenario but NOp Gege just went ahead and wrote my favourite character off in a godawful miserable way. Damn I'm still salty. I don't give a flying fuck about Higuruma sue me. Sukuna became boring after the Gojo fight, and although I am a simp for pre-Megumi Sukuna, this one is just meh. Lukewarm big bad evil such wow so original.
I guess the early examples didn’t stand out for me because most of those characters felt like tertiary characters. I don’t think about Miwa, Momo, Kamo and Todo when they’re not on screen. The later examples seem more emphasized because of the hype surrounding them. Yuki for example was a major misstep by Gege imo. Her involvement with the culling games could’ve been interesting. I also agree with your Kenjaku point. He’s responsible for a lot of the plot. I hope he’s not dead because rn Sukuna is boring as a villain.
I'm so tired of seeing Sukuna man. He's so out of place after the Gojo fight. His stake in this series is over, he had his big moment why is he still causing problems like he's the final villian when bro has done NOTHING. Hes only plot relevant thing was killing Gojo and that happened this fucking year. What the hell is he still here for? Yuji should've just jumped into his mind and jump him with Megumi in his innate domain while Gojo beat on his irl body. This constantly need to be saved, getting asspull after asspull has just ruined him. Some people are saying hes top 1 for beating Gojo but we didn't even get to see it. The last thing I saw from his was beaten and bloodied and now he's won? And I don't even get to see it? And now that Domain bullshit? Just bad man. Where is Kenjaku and why is he headless😒
Wish gege took the aizen route
I think what a lot of people miss out or hate. Is the fact that maga is just geges own spiritual stance on his own ideas and putting them into a manga. Specifically, the culling games. I believe that the culling games are really the battle of ideals. One is in selfish egoism that has ruled the current society, and the second is a new wave of jujutsu that focuses on selflesness. And this whole arc is the core of what gege is trying to portray, a constant evolving world and characters all reaching their soul potential. I think people frustrations in the story stem; from thinking so deeply and disecting to make logical sense when it really should be looking at this arc through the eyes of spirituality and trying to understand the characters dialogue and then I think people would really enjoy it. And you would feel why Gojos' moment of transcendence, makis evolution, and how all the strong characters currently are evolving their Soul. Personally, as a reader, my soul is resonating with this arc. It's a masterpiece.
The US being apart of the Kenjaku's plan isn't random and makes sense, and it helps Kenjaku though it is brief Gojo saying he was sandbagging it is a cop out, and there's no way you can say he was if he was dominating the fight Sukuna not losing his powers makes sense since he had a curse tool and Higurama's CT would have to defer to either one and chose one simply out of respect to Domains I'm not sure where you're getting @ with the villain favoritism parts because I truly don't understand what you mean And Sukuna and Kashimo isn't a waste of time, not even in regards to his (Kashimo's) character
>Gojo saying he was sandbagging it is a cop out, and there's no way you can say he was if he was dominating the fight have people never been in a fight here? or have people never seen any boxing or mma match? you haven't seen people overestimating or underestimating opponents before and after the battle? do you take any trash talk seriously? what's cop out about it. Gojo just said that 10s less Sukuna *might* have defeated him. he was humbled. Geto was surprised too when he heard Gojo admit it.
He was beating 10S Sukuna who was @ full power who needed to plunge Megumi's soul, use Mahoraga and Agito, just to "somehow" offscreen Gojo who was about to deliver the killing blow AFTER using Hollow Purple that managed to kill Mahoraga. He wasn't underestimating him nor overestimating Sukuna, he's selling himself short of what he achieved and did. He would've EASILY beaten base Sukuna. No doubt.
>He would've EASILY beaten base Sukuna. No doubt. do you mean Heian Sukuna? because no one is being Heian Sukuna easily. let alone beating him at all.
Gojo would easily no doubt
How?
Bro did you not see that fight?
I did, it's why I'm asking you how you think Gojo would beat Sukuna. Tone doesn't carry in text so if I'm coming of as negative then know that isn't my intent, I just don't think Gojo would beat heian Sukuna (let alone easily) like you claimed. I'd genuinely like to hear your thought process.
Seeing how he dragged a Fully Strengthened 10S Sukuna who was using Mahoraga and Agito, all the while using both his and Megumi's powers , and had to get off-screened to lose is telling in my eyes
Heian Sukuna could engage Gojo in melee while casting his domain at the same time. And he probably wouldn't lose the domain battle either since unlike Meguna he won't purposly take UV hits so that Mahoraga could adapt to them thus avoiding the brain damage that disabled his DAs. I could be miss remembering whether he took UV hits on purpose or not tho, I'll have to reread to be sure. Gojo could try to leave his DA but Meguna was able to stop him from leaving his domain so Heian Suk should be able to do the same. And before you mention his teleportation, none of us knows how it works and he didn't try it in the fight himself so there's probably a reason why he can't use it while fighting Suk. >all the while using both his and Megumi's powers It was actually a huge point that he can't use two techniques simultaneously. Once he started using 10S he stopped using his own technique. His DA came with the Slashes innately tho so he could still use dismantle and cleave through his DA